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Date:      Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:24:30 -0800
From:      Jordan K Hubbard <jkh@queasyweasel.com>
To:        Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org>
Cc:        cvs-src@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Proposal regarding the RFC 3514 handling 
Message-ID:  <7DDCFFBC-6551-11D7-87AF-000393BB9222@queasyweasel.com>
In-Reply-To: <20030402194821.C33692A8A5@canning.wemm.org>

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All of this discussion begs the question, however:  Since we've set a 
precedent here, when does Jim Fleming's IPv8 support get rolled in?   
FreeBSD could certainly use "stargates" as a way of impressing Julian's 
Linux-using friends!

- Jordan

On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Peter Wemm wrote:

> Alexander Leidinger wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:21:44 -0800 (PST)
>> "Matthew N. Dodd" <mdodd@freebsd.org> wrote:
>>
>>> mdodd       2003/04/01 00:21:44 PST
>>>
>>>   FreeBSD src repository
>>>
>>>   Modified files:
>>>     sbin/ping            ping.8 ping.c
>>>     share/man/man4       inet.4 ip.4
>>>     sys/netinet          in.h in_pcb.h ip.h ip_input.c ip_output.c
>>>                          ip_var.h
>>>     usr.bin/netstat      inet.c
>>>   Log:
>>>   Implement support for RFC 3514 (The Security Flag in the IPv4 
>>> Header).
>>
>> In the light of the actual "force" against this commit: perhaps it 
>> would
>> be ok for all involved parties to only compile this code in based 
>> upon a
>> kernel option...
>
> Personally, I tend to agree.
>
>> In my POV: people which don't know enough about this topic would IMHO
>> not be concerned about this code, and people which know enough to 
>> have a
>> reason to compile or not compile this code into the kernel should also
>> know enough about FreeBSD to not regard this code as a lack of
>> professionalism (and see it as what it is: there are people which 
>> enjoy
>> to invest their time into FreeBSD... and this is what makes FreeBSD 
>> what
>> it is).
>
> Exactly.  We're supposed to be doing FreeBSD for our own enjoyment.  If
> others get use from it then fine.  The day that we're no longer 
> allowed to
> have fun because it might upset somebody in some fortune-500 company 
> will
> be a sad day indeed.  Nobody said we had to be 100% deadly serious the
> whole time.
>
> .. as long as having a bit of fun doesn't get in the way..  An option 
> would
> stop it being in the code execution paths.
>
> On the other hand, we have so much cruft in the ip input/output code 
> paths
> (2 or 3 different packet filter hooks etc), this is tiny by comparison.
>
> Anyway, I think Matthew is going to to remove it, so maybe its a moot 
> point.
>
> Cheers,
> -Peter
> --
> Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com
> "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5
>
>
--
Jordan K. Hubbard
Engineering Manager, BSD technology group
Apple Computer



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