From owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 15 02:30:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F2C106566C for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 02:30:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brde@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0768FC08 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 02:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c122-106-165-206.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (c122-106-165-206.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [122.106.165.206]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p0F2UT3P010014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:30:31 +1100 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:30:29 +1100 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: Chuck Swiger In-Reply-To: <83F77456-6626-4315-B4FB-272569EE1946@mac.com> Message-ID: <20110115131211.C16117@besplex.bde.org> References: <20100729215649.GB2615@icir.org> <20110103210209.GA13091@icir.org> <4D2E66C4.5090607@greatbaysoftware.com> <4D2F20BB.5080204@greatbaysoftware.com> <4D2F71BE.2080801@greatbaysoftware.com> <0B45B324-A819-4230-BBE3-F8468F2DA88F@mac.com> <20110114154326.E27511@besplex.bde.org> <54D25D8E-ED8C-41E8-BD14-4EB86F4D63C3@mac.com> <20110114204810.Y28741@besplex.bde.org> <83F77456-6626-4315-B4FB-272569EE1946@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-net Subject: Re: [OT] Re: igb watchdog timeouts X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 02:30:34 -0000 On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jan 14, 2011, at 2:12 AM, Bruce Evans wrote: >>> On a good day, my MUA sends "Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed" and should contain line breaks following the 80-character-per-line Usenet conventions, which modern MUAs might well reassemble based upon the user's window size. If it is being re-interpreted after transmission by MTAs, mailing-list MIME filters, or similar, well, that lies beyond my control. >> >> Strangely, my MUA is sending format=flowed, etc., but mails received >> from you don't have it. So when I reply to you and Cc me, then there >> are enough newlines in the now-doubly-quoted original in the Cc. > > You're right. After checking, it seems like Mail.app stopped emitting format=flowed around 10.6.3, and $REALJOB requirements mean I'm stuck using it as I need to deal with localized text from many languages frequently. [1] Still doesn't have it :-). >> format=flowed apparently even fixes up the quotes, so there are enough >> quotes too. But I don't like this. Letting the MUA change the format >> will mangle source code, diffs and some types of quotes. > > There's the double-blank-line quote-mangling. I see quotes as ">>" in mutt and pine seems to what is responsible for mangling them to "> > ". > Well, source code, diffs, and such could be attached as MIME enclosures, which will insulate them from quote-based reformatting. Unfortunately, unless one is careful with the content-types used, the FreeBSD mailing list software might decide to strip them.... I don't believe in attachments either. > [1]: Mozilla's Thunderbird does fine for the Latin-1 families & UTF-8 encodings, but it doesn't handle UTF-16 text or attachments (ja-JP / ISO-2022-JP or zh-CN & zh-TW in Big5 or GBK) correctly. Surprisingly little FreeBSD mail have format=flowed. Today I have about 100 mails, mostly from FreeBSD mailing lists, and only 12 of the have it, with 7 from just 2 people. 5 From: 3 FreeBSD committers, 7 From: 4 non-committers (?) User-Agents: Mozilla/5.0 (5), Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (1) Alpine 2.00 (4), Opera Mail/11.00 (1), header not present (1) Do you happen to know what changes tabs to hard \xa0's, and what prevents this. Bruce