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Date:      Wed, 22 Nov 2017 22:38:19 +0200
From:      Johannes Jost Meixner <johannes@perceivon.net>
To:        Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: The future of fortune(6)
Message-ID:  <e3856b9d-44d0-564c-75b2-22c4f14413a4@perceivon.net>
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From: Johannes Jost Meixner <johannes@perceivon.net>
To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
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Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6)
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On 11/22/2017 22:06, Warner Losh wrote:
>=20
>=20
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Johannes Jost Meixner
> <johannes@perceivon.net <mailto:johannes@perceivon.net>> wrote:
>=20
>     > With the removal of the fortune datfiles I think it=E2=80=99s tim=
e to have a
>     discussion about fortune(6).
>=20
>     Maybe this is a good moment to realize the change was contentious,
>     should have been discussed before, and must be reverted.
>=20
>=20
> Honestly, what's the alternative? We curate the F out of this file and
> have people dog our every decision because it doesn't fit with the
> Republican, Democratic, Green, Liberal, Conservative, Torre, Whig,
> Socialist, Communist, Yankee, Confederate, Know Nothings, Bull Moose
> Party, Blues, Reds, Pinks, Kill All The Humans, Walrus Supremacists,
> Bongo the Pet Seal Horn Blowers or the actually evil Nazi[*] viewpoint?=

> No, we can't be unbiased because there's something in there to offend
> just about everybody. Even the actual Nazi stuff people are whining
> about, and that's about as clear cut an example of evil as exists in ou=
r
> times. If we can't agree on even that, there's no hope for the rest.=20

People will dogpile every discussion regardless, it's a people thing. If
you give people the means to state their opinion they will, invariably,
do that. The interesting part here is whether you do it beforehand - and
go with the consensus (or, at least, majority vote) or do what may seem
like arbitrary, unilateral actions.

If we can't agree on having a discussion about which action to take
first, then there's no hope for the rest.

> Do > we want to spend project time on curating an impossible tangle
that our
> current dysfunctional political climate (at least in my country) has
> become?

Time has shown that we do that regardless of intentions. One thing I'm
wondering is if - in an international project - humor has become such a
touchy subject, especially in the wider Anglosphere, that it's best not
to try?
 >Or do we want to spend time upping our game on EFI, fixing VM
> issues, making the installer better, etc, etc, etc. We're a technical
> project, primarily, not one that has a political agenda.

I completely agree. Still, some things should to be discussed publicly
(and this may be a better form than on 4chan+slashdot).


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