Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 22:38:19 +0200 From: Johannes Jost Meixner <johannes@perceivon.net> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) Message-ID: <e3856b9d-44d0-564c-75b2-22c4f14413a4@perceivon.net> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfqYKFCoP2YZiDL3MjiOs2dRkWQ-LvkztVKB9wT41hbjEQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <faf60558-6657-8c1c-349f-3d4136a917a7@perceivon.net> <CANCZdfqYKFCoP2YZiDL3MjiOs2dRkWQ-LvkztVKB9wT41hbjEQ@mail.gmail.com>
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --0ncDSj1EDR0vbWrIeGjPpCNRgx3Xnccm3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="q5DFHJW23Mqbb6bOrsmIBdUDGb84RbDWC"; protected-headers="v1" From: Johannes Jost Meixner <johannes@perceivon.net> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <e3856b9d-44d0-564c-75b2-22c4f14413a4@perceivon.net> Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) References: <faf60558-6657-8c1c-349f-3d4136a917a7@perceivon.net> <CANCZdfqYKFCoP2YZiDL3MjiOs2dRkWQ-LvkztVKB9wT41hbjEQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfqYKFCoP2YZiDL3MjiOs2dRkWQ-LvkztVKB9wT41hbjEQ@mail.gmail.com> --q5DFHJW23Mqbb6bOrsmIBdUDGb84RbDWC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/22/2017 22:06, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Johannes Jost Meixner > <johannes@perceivon.net <mailto:johannes@perceivon.net>> wrote: >=20 > > With the removal of the fortune datfiles I think it=E2=80=99s tim= e to have a > discussion about fortune(6). >=20 > Maybe this is a good moment to realize the change was contentious, > should have been discussed before, and must be reverted. >=20 >=20 > Honestly, what's the alternative? We curate the F out of this file and > have people dog our every decision because it doesn't fit with the > Republican, Democratic, Green, Liberal, Conservative, Torre, Whig, > Socialist, Communist, Yankee, Confederate, Know Nothings, Bull Moose > Party, Blues, Reds, Pinks, Kill All The Humans, Walrus Supremacists, > Bongo the Pet Seal Horn Blowers or the actually evil Nazi[*] viewpoint?= > No, we can't be unbiased because there's something in there to offend > just about everybody. Even the actual Nazi stuff people are whining > about, and that's about as clear cut an example of evil as exists in ou= r > times. If we can't agree on even that, there's no hope for the rest.=20 People will dogpile every discussion regardless, it's a people thing. If you give people the means to state their opinion they will, invariably, do that. The interesting part here is whether you do it beforehand - and go with the consensus (or, at least, majority vote) or do what may seem like arbitrary, unilateral actions. If we can't agree on having a discussion about which action to take first, then there's no hope for the rest. > Do > we want to spend project time on curating an impossible tangle that our > current dysfunctional political climate (at least in my country) has > become? Time has shown that we do that regardless of intentions. One thing I'm wondering is if - in an international project - humor has become such a touchy subject, especially in the wider Anglosphere, that it's best not to try? >Or do we want to spend time upping our game on EFI, fixing VM > issues, making the installer better, etc, etc, etc. We're a technical > project, primarily, not one that has a political agenda. I completely agree. Still, some things should to be discussed publicly (and this may be a better form than on 4chan+slashdot). --q5DFHJW23Mqbb6bOrsmIBdUDGb84RbDWC-- --0ncDSj1EDR0vbWrIeGjPpCNRgx3Xnccm3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEwY8kko8dNupPoLLvSWqdcGJQ1AIFAloV4DsACgkQSWqdcGJQ 1AKgIQ//VlGpBZ/BXst+uBBXynFSTetMKlbGHKek04owE8AMowmPoonCajq7u/6C mUV2q8c4OthNKhreqDY31DbkUuMbab0CkeC8rRjgilhCNVPZloEnSd5UdndeCblw fi9Mt29oynbPtchQ4mrvYSo2RWS5CQSJGZHvqKHBOsLJZlLXt4AsGF87r+mMihcv +dlR1WGZSQNDL+RTptqG6K9Etzn9a9JxnQXFKbrMlj72I8cpjWXfaJo5cNrx/O3Y jpyjXcORxxLMzTEBv5py5Fol9pm9SH/U+5IXhmlsJIsYg6vq+mOC+zikZhomMfgA r5g30cuR4phZnzrusqL7NMnoTwV/fekumkktAQTrrsIIhvPjO/PlWzcIqCqM7ODW xSh5KDmsBaU6f7861vQT5jsa9H3Jlt0e9QzJz6zLJVFo3TmxJAB2ngN/tvMHxvVJ HwrJ1Y+0mUJDWUHyadotAADXMtMhHG84zH3N1BOIg40t2qib0eiHiqrkxqzcKX5R dCY1qfW5JcKIG3Y4baUw3viawYWdMfarTHG5ItlqoYAaZ6V5reTXvaLFSszcoQ5c AZBoJGb3d73gvu8L3vZy9RRxogtHVi8aI/tgXWE42gWFSr/FSt5D3UOfnjdP0aMO z+egcJokCcph9BESZRnolpEdkFqRgJKwg6NYMHTJpshGzCUvbT0= =RQDg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0ncDSj1EDR0vbWrIeGjPpCNRgx3Xnccm3--
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