From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 01:09:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F9B106566C for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 01:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E271C8FC12 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 01:09:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9319Rtw083869; Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id o9319RFD083866; Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:09:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Robert In-Reply-To: <20101002165150.01e0cac0@asus64> Message-ID: References: <20101002113640.2ab36871@asus64> <20101002165150.01e0cac0@asus64> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 02 Oct 2010 19:09:28 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 01:09:31 -0000 On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Robert wrote: > But I cannot mount /dev/da1s1 > > ~> sudo mount_ntfs /dev/da1s1 /mnt > mount_ntfs: /dev/da1s1: Invalid argument It's weird that da1 can be mounted, but da1s1 can't. Maybe a problem with the filesystem. Might be repairable, although probably it would need proprietary programs. Don't experiment with the original drive, make a copy with dd for experimenting. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 02:45:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A8E106566B for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 02:45:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao104.cox.net (fed1rmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.241.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AE38FC13 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 02:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101003024507.GQYA29852.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>; Sat, 2 Oct 2010 22:45:07 -0400 Received: from asus64 ([72.220.91.10]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id E2l71f00Q0DQbeo042l7Le; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 22:45:07 -0400 X-VR-Score: -200.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=RFAs0e+2sU49DU7hBECFSPlG3t5ZI1He37/O2GpqT7s= c=1 sm=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=/nTdwXoUaSOHzX6NQnbKNQ==:17 a=s1O25tkdAAAA:8 a=sVer-mLp_SmDyYJOxt4A:9 a=znwgMg2TnmwewNemkOaR9ptxTRwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=OyOq_G8mXAEA:10 a=/nTdwXoUaSOHzX6NQnbKNQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:45:02 -0700 From: Robert To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20101002194502.24e0f9da@asus64> In-Reply-To: References: <20101002113640.2ab36871@asus64> <20101002165150.01e0cac0@asus64> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 02:45:09 -0000 On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Warren Block wrote: > It's weird that da1 can be mounted, but da1s1 can't. Maybe a problem > with the filesystem. Might be repairable, although probably it would > need proprietary programs. Don't experiment with the original drive, > make a copy with dd for experimenting. Warren I should have mentioned that before. dd was the first thing I tried. I had an unused drive setup as UFS. Then did dd if=/dev/da1s1 of=/dev/ad12s1d bs=1m count=2000 thinking I could try the first two gigabytes and then go from there. It look like it went fine but then I could not mount the ad12s1d partition. It was able to mount it previously. Going back even further, When I first realized there was a problem with this drive, I booted with 8.1 livefs. The drive had lost it's id that showed it was NTFS. I used "sade" and marked it as NTFS but was never able to mount it. It is very possible that I messed it up but I was having all sorts of problems with that computer and XP pro doesn't exactly help one out. Thanks again for your time. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 06:15:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143BC106564A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 06:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesbrandongooch@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB718FC08 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 06:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so5544849wwb.31 for ; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 23:15:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=o4nBGIDHv5tguVceMBnt0BYPGjsq8bxTYpzOKBDRgL8=; b=LRgM6MBDhb4gZsG8IF8divE1ZPKbdts5jBj6Vuded3yKyQP8aMtEFWW10/oocRN3kY vgwU7MJSSTqPlaChebYzcE8084fcV2rRkWZaqC5YCE3wbM5oqXQNaakt2nQpZT3xTe/n PLpeh8p2yLQW/u77X+5l0OvF9+nV6JW2qutnI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JRY1wQxCDymW5ihAUODgqJVx9Wm2T3jMmhoVa7Sl2ii8Gy2f9ifUixeh3m06jt/ger 34E0qwlgyNgJyYS78edSeDCOfBit+30wRoga747U1+yJqL0R7jw6qQJzhd62Sf2vV3yP y8/7SezULILn52E1FJxDKt3mDHfXRrxZTmEz8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.70.10 with SMTP id o10mr6324112wed.83.1286086506200; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 23:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.133.133 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Oct 2010 23:15:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101002194502.24e0f9da@asus64> References: <20101002113640.2ab36871@asus64> <20101002165150.01e0cac0@asus64> <20101002194502.24e0f9da@asus64> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 01:15:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: Brandon Gooch To: Robert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 06:15:08 -0000 On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Robert wrote: > On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:09:27 -0600 (MDT) > Warren Block wrote: > > >> It's weird that da1 can be mounted, but da1s1 can't. =A0Maybe a problem >> with the filesystem. =A0Might be repairable, although probably it would >> need proprietary programs. =A0Don't experiment with the original drive, >> make a copy with dd for experimenting. > > Warren > > I should have mentioned that before. dd was the first thing I tried. > I had an unused drive setup as UFS. Then did > > dd if=3D/dev/da1s1 of=3D/dev/ad12s1d bs=3D1m count=3D2000 I believe that the above 'if' operand to dd should instead be /dev/da1 (without the 's1' slice). Also, the operand 'of' will need to point to a device, such as /dev/ad12, or a file on a mounted file system, such as /mnt/my_disk_image.img -Brandon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 08:02:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA26106564A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:02:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A9B8FC08 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz15 with SMTP id 15so4049712bwz.13 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 01:02:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OanfhXBQ7k8smBolXUc9Qnj9a1gc+fKK5KrR1XKxvZc=; b=iXLsczNQUj5d1tf9CazzX97gFALa/hx0s20tt9LBN075n2p86DvSSnRTI/SEzXF2fE +I08addc5hw4vNYmz+zpNSd8bXlKQ6JXkiaQscBxnlW5CMy79wQ4iP/YQSb9o3/ljlMB 2fWqbIBPYl/6n323rPp13vWclECx5mpRrje0Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KrtIfzsfvMXT1pw3m02n4xlHcLadiGHffy2owwAliX4eOcRbFjVvP9ryCJkV93H6sB KHJPT/Fn40LadbiunQf2vsU59d8vyhG8B9fa/evjF+CU7qzS/boQ4AQy3Uyc8e59Uqq0 3v/o5jgovaNMoQpdPR26vUek2uVyFj7V8BoPM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.77 with SMTP id h13mr5758356bkg.120.1286092935171; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 01:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.97.208 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 01:02:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4ca78fe8.8575df0a.0fdd.3721@mx.google.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:02:15 +0200 Message-ID: From: David DEMELIER To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: four.harrisons@googlemail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI & battery issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:02:19 -0000 2010/10/2 Eitan Adler : > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:01 PM, =C2=A0 wro= te: >> I get the same messages with the stock acpi on a Lenovo S10e. Someone on= the acpi list (who's name I forget) wrote a patch which removes the error.= If you think it might help I'll root it out and forward it on. > > > I'll be happy to take a look at the patch and see if it solves my > problem. does the patch just remove the error message or solve a > specific problem that might be causing the issue? > > > > >> > ... >> I see >> ACPI Exception: AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE, Returned by Handler for >> [EmbeddedControl] (20100331/evregion-588) >> ACPI Error (psparse-0633): Method parse/execution failed >> [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.BAT1._BST] (Node 0xc6adba60), >> AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE >> >> repeatedly in dmesg >> >> sysctl's relating to battery information is also slow: >> % time sysctl hw.acpi.battery.state >> hw.acpi.battery.state: 7 >> sysctl hw.acpi.battery.state =C2=A00.00s user 2.18s system 72% cpu 3.006= total >> >> % time sysctl hw.acpi.battery >> hw.acpi.battery.life: -1 >> hw.acpi.battery.time: -1 >> hw.acpi.battery.state: 7 >> hw.acpi.battery.units: 1 >> hw.acpi.battery.info_expire: 5 >> sysctl hw.acpi.battery =C2=A00.00s user 6.58s system 67% cpu 9.779 total >> >> also note that the life and time are both negative one. >> >> This is on a Lenovo G530 laptop. > -- I always heard that Lenovo/IBM has a great support for open source systems, it seems not. Sad. By the way, you should try to update the bios to the last version, it may helps sometimes. Cheers, --=20 Demelier David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 08:15:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4B8106566B for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@saturn.pcs.ms) Received: from mail4.hostpark.net (mail4.hostpark.net [212.243.197.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4158FC15 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail4.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70B24BC88; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:15:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by Hostpark/NetZone Mailprotection at hostpark.net Received: from mail4.hostpark.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail4.hostpark.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10124) with ESMTP id QCHNkY5UaZfZ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:15:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from saturn.pcs.ms (246-171.62-81.cust.bluewin.ch [81.62.171.246]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail4.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851694BC47; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:15:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from saturn.pcs.ms (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saturn.pcs.ms (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o938FSOC066442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:15:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from martin@saturn.pcs.ms) Received: (from martin@localhost) by saturn.pcs.ms (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o938FR5b066441; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:15:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from martin) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:15:27 +0200 From: Martin Schweizer To: Reko Turja Message-ID: <20101003081526.GJ74320@saturn.pcs.ms> References: <000f01cb5a27$4823a0f0$d86ae2d0$@com.au> <211f17580cb0ee7e5fac2831faf33e90.squirrel@hal.psst.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Organization: PC-Service M. Schweizer GmbH, CH-8608 Bubikon, Switzerland User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CYRUS IMAP cyradm core dump problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martin Schweizer List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:15:55 -0000 Hello Reko Am Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 03:05:30PM +0300 Reko Turja schrieb: > > I applied the patch as suggested by Reko, but it seemed to make no > > difference > > After the patch recompiling and linking at least SASL is needed after > buildworld and inatallation of new world. > > > removing libgssapiv2 libs however, solved my cyradm problem > > > > will this cause issues into the future for any other ports I may > > need ti > > install ? > > Unless you need kerberos authentication at some point, removing the > libs is non-issue. I'm running in the same situation as you (see http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=846230+852662+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-stable/20101003.freebsd-stable). I did tried a lot but end up in a broken make buildworld. Any ideas waht I'm doing wrong? Regards, -- Martin Schweizer PC-Service M. Schweizer GmbH; Bannholzstrasse 6; CH-8608 Bubikon Tel. +41 55 243 30 00; Fax: +41 55 243 33 22 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 08:26:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4BB106566B for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:26:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDC08FC16 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz15 with SMTP id 15so4056711bwz.13 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 01:26:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=k7MZRsG9ANYDCWdVeSiT7Dn3AoxlTqOJsZuvVP1O+fw=; b=QiZOe0MTsQM+udiuKHBH3c8KTN0kn/T+PQ2sRNy6EKNjaRJdNiDgJTBX1n3lOhmbMJ R74yFVNBUXvZlvDCL1MPwMRoPyrC7Th6EM3mT9tkyR5y8iWKc+e5sd0ozrfZK8SL5LCf kIPb6sAp6iXM7OHdeX+vGfyyGLl+oKdp0aZVA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=O3B2cFMrFSEbOT9c1tqD1XzQsa8SSxG7DXu5SPZzopgQ20I5TodXjr78+6+cbOnWW2 pIEeeyTT9ReuGNG1gWN5gDSp9nEe2/XvoW3NE3L9yQPnOepB8TasnK+LarFfHFAIFdxm FWTlCfq1oDqas7z/DHPVtwGlh3EAKYLCRSbZo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.78.8 with SMTP id i8mr5689770bkk.176.1286094396387; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 01:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.97.208 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 01:26:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100924174943.GA4468@stainmore> References: <20100924174943.GA4468@stainmore> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:26:36 +0200 Message-ID: From: David DEMELIER To: Bob Hall , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Subject: Re: Little question about device driver name X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:26:37 -0000 2010/9/24 Bob Hall : > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 07:04:06PM +0200, David DEMELIER wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> I just wonder why if_bridge(4) is prefixed by if_ for device name. >> Every other device name like lagg(4), gif(4) are not prefixed with >> this same one. > > if_bridge was based on bridge. I assume that when the updated if_bridge > was introduced, the earlier bridge was still available, so the author > needed some way to distinguish his new module from the earlier module. > > Type "man bridge" and check the Authors section. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > And is there driver bridge still available ? ./boot/powerpc/ofw/Makefile:# 64-bit bridge extensions ./boot/powerpc/ofw/Makefile:CFLAGS+= -Wa,-mppc64bridge ./modules/Makefile: bridgestp \ ./modules/Makefile: if_bridge \ ./modules/bridgestp/Makefile:# $FreeBSD: src/sys/modules/bridgestp/Makefile,v 1.3.2.1 2009/08/03 08:13:06 kensmith Exp $ ./modules/bridgestp/Makefile:KMOD= bridgestp ./modules/bridgestp/Makefile:SRCS= bridgestp.c ./modules/if_bridge/Makefile:# $FreeBSD: src/sys/modules/if_bridge/Makefile,v 1.6.10.1 2009/08/03 08:13:06 kensmith Exp $ ./modules/if_bridge/Makefile:KMOD= if_bridge ./modules/if_bridge/Makefile:SRCS= if_bridge.c opt_inet.h opt_inet6.h opt_carp.h ./modules/netgraph/Makefile: bridge \ ./modules/netgraph/bridge/Makefile:# $FreeBSD: src/sys/modules/netgraph/bridge/Makefile,v 1.3.36.1 2009/08/03 08:13:06 kensmith Exp $ ./modules/netgraph/bridge/Makefile:KMOD= ng_bridge ./modules/netgraph/bridge/Makefile:SRCS= ng_bridge.c I found netgraph/bridge but it's not the same thing. -- Demelier David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 09:09:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD938106564A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8538FC18 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-226-229.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.226.229]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631123D56C; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:09:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o9399rpf001528; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:09:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:09:53 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Brandon Gooch Message-Id: <20101003110953.46fb7f2e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20101002113640.2ab36871@asus64> <20101002165150.01e0cac0@asus64> <20101002194502.24e0f9da@asus64> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Robert Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:09:56 -0000 On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 01:15:06 -0500, Brandon Gooch wrote: > I believe that the above 'if' operand to dd should instead be /dev/da1 > (without the 's1' slice). Also, the operand 'of' will need to point to > a device, such as /dev/ad12, or a file on a mounted file system, such > as /mnt/my_disk_image.img A good advice. Also: You should, when in doubt, never, NEVER operate on the disk you want to restore data from. Dump the whole disk into a file and operate on THAT file. Use mdconfig to make it a block device if needed. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 09:42:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B681065697 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:42:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15B48FC14 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mueller6722.bellsouth.net (adsl-210-137-93.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.210.137.93]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20101003094246H03002tidge>; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:42:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.210.137.93] Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:59:19 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <4ca853f7.u8GtTT6YlSKwZwFM%mueller6727@bellsouth.net> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Massive portupgrade without being interrupted by configuration screens? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:42:48 -0000 >From "Elias Chrysocheris" : > If you are sure that the default configuration settings are OK for you, then > one way is to perform a portupgrade with the switches --batch --yes, like > portupgrade --batch --yes -a > This will assume that the default settings are those you like and will not ask > you anything about configuration screens e.t.c. > Elias Idea is that I might want to configure some of the options, so I can't use --batch=YES unless I configure all options beforehand, meaning I have to find what ports are to be upgraded and which of those have user-selectable options. Are there any adverse side effects if I use portupgrade some of the time, and postmaster other times? Reason for wanting to do all "make config"s beforehand is not only efficiency and ability to run unattended, but the ability to recover from a typo at the config dialog interface, which can be confusing, on when to press spacebar, tab, enter, up- and down-arrows. Now I see in UPDATING file, date 20100915, that lang/perl5.12 has been updated to 5.12.2. 20100915: AFFECTS: users of lang/perl5.12 AUTHOR: skv@FreeBSD.org lang/perl5.12 has been updated to 5.12.2. You should update everything that depends on perl. The easiest way to do that is to use "perl-after-upgrade" script supplied with lang/perl5.12. Please see its manual page for details. If you want to switch to lang/perl5.12 from lang/perl5.{8,10} please follow instructions in the entry 20100715 in this file. I only saw this via FreeBSD web site Oct 3 (20101003), after my original inquiry. Does this mean I have to go through all the troubles again? I already successfully portupgraded Perl to 5.12.2. But I guess I need to read "perl-after-upgrade" script before doing anything (including panicking?). Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 09:48:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C0D106564A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:48:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B90A8FC13 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-226-229.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.226.229]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907C03D6F0; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:48:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o939m3GM001628; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:48:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:48:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Patrick Lamaiziere Message-Id: <20101003114803.eb4a115f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101002210232.36d379e4@davenulle.org> References: <20101002113640.2ab36871@asus64> <20101002210232.36d379e4@davenulle.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Robert Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:48:05 -0000 On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 21:02:32 +0200, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote: > Le Sat, 2 Oct 2010 11:36:40 -0700, > Robert a =E9crit : >=20 > > I tried to use "dd" and copy data to another spare drive. It appears > > to work but then I can no longer mount that drive. Other than taking > > it to a data recovery shop does anyone have any idea.=20 >=20 > May be "photorec" will help (in systutils/testdisk). > http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec You don't need an expensive recovery shop - FreeBSD has many good tools for free. From my own experiences with data recovery, here's a short list of tools to keep in mind (yes, photorec is on that list, too - a very useful tool especially for use with SD and CF cards from cameras): System: dd <- the very fist thing you use fsck_ffs <- doesn't apply here as "NTFS" !=3D UFS clri <- as well, as further others may fsdb fetch -rR recoverdisk Ports: ddrescue <- if dd doesn't work dd_rescue <- as well ffs2recov magicrescue testdisk photorec scan_ffs recoverjpeg foremost The Sleuth Kit: <- if everything fails fls dls ils autopsy As I mentioned, work with copies only. If you have a disk big enough (disks aren't cheap today, your data isn't), make a copy of the copy and work with that. If you accidentally screw up the copy, delete it and make a new working copy from the master copy. Do not touch the original disk until you're done - and SURE about being done. If you fail to reconstruct the partition table, you can still get the "bare data", even in form of separate files. Some of the recovery programs listed above are able to process input data where all partition and file system information is lost, i. e. they operate on byte level (blocks) and contain algorithms to determine files (begin, end, kind, magic). Allthough this work often results in the loss of file names and directory structures, the files theirselves come back. I've experienced a similar kind of data loss in the past, so I wish you good luck with recovery. For the future: Make backups. Lesson learned. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 11:09:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAAF106564A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36868FC15 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35so1915418yxn.13 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 04:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.97.8 with SMTP id z8mr3694489anl.209.1286104164724; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 04:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i25sm6589842anh.37.2010.10.03.04.09.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 03 Oct 2010 04:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7CBACE54835 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 07:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 07:09:21 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101003070921.6159f9ea@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4ca853f7.u8GtTT6YlSKwZwFM%mueller6727@bellsouth.net> References: <4ca853f7.u8GtTT6YlSKwZwFM%mueller6727@bellsouth.net> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Massive portupgrade without being interrupted by configuration screens? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 11:09:26 -0000 On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:59:19 +0000 Thomas Mueller articulated: > >From "Elias Chrysocheris" : > > > If you are sure that the default configuration settings are OK for > > you, then one way is to perform a portupgrade with the switches > > --batch --yes, like portupgrade --batch --yes -a > > > This will assume that the default settings are those you like and > > will not ask you anything about configuration screens e.t.c. > > > Elias > > Idea is that I might want to configure some of the options, so I > can't use --batch=YES unless I configure all options beforehand, > meaning I have to find what ports are to be upgraded and which of > those have user-selectable options. > > Are there any adverse side effects if I use portupgrade some of the > time, and postmaster other times? > > Reason for wanting to do all "make config"s beforehand is not only > efficiency and ability to run unattended, but the ability to recover > from a typo at the config dialog interface, which can be confusing, > on when to press spacebar, tab, enter, up- and down-arrows. > > Now I see in UPDATING file, date 20100915, that lang/perl5.12 has > been updated to 5.12.2. > > 20100915: > AFFECTS: users of lang/perl5.12 > AUTHOR: skv@FreeBSD.org > > lang/perl5.12 has been updated to 5.12.2. You should update > everything that depends on perl. The easiest way to do that is to use > "perl-after-upgrade" script supplied with lang/perl5.12. > Please see its manual page for details. > > If you want to switch to lang/perl5.12 from lang/perl5.{8,10} please > follow instructions in the entry 20100715 in this file. > > > I only saw this via FreeBSD web site Oct 3 (20101003), after my > original inquiry. Does this mean I have to go through all the > troubles again? > > I already successfully portupgraded Perl to 5.12.2. But I guess I > need to read "perl-after-upgrade" script before doing anything > (including panicking?). If you were to use 'portmanager' with its '-p' option, it would rebuild all ports that depend on the new version of Perl as well as any ports that depended on those ports as well. It would insure that the dependency links were fully updated. There is then no need to run the superfluous "perl-after-upgrade' script; although, you are free to do so if you so desire. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ Hartley's First Law: You can lead a horse to water, but if you can get him to float on his back, you've got something. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 11:36:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7631B106566C for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:36:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0468FC16 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so3220655wyb.13 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 04:36:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Gcz2/OK+qEnMQ+4OUOghfz7adufgv22GnN08TKiGfVs=; b=iLYmxLgnR4bItpg0TW0Tmc++dos9hDog3SYl6MZeTrRPyZPrtbnKSoooLu4YaLHoiO Nk935mwmGumqmSFLrKhEvtL1wQxiQIyqZVAfVB+wi1j0xSarxdCg6FamvNpYCsNP31dd vQl2BRYd7EOOaHpxXCPe4qM40/6bmvD5WxG6s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; b=FESwKllJid52OPDQbKoARWVei5rokMehyuANZYirEMwlzBbiBJagOkiSpZqMt5D52D +JuF/SziYaHTOOUBG/CLvCpX+rQXOpkjtzUPE9e5AntONoO5FRFodmfVanpGjw4VyEDB Horq40ttRouwhx2ef778QcOSYAS86pj2gAfsM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.47.140 with SMTP id t12mr6470487web.102.1286105782670; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 04:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.162.75 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 04:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:36:22 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Thomas Mueller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Massive portupgrade without being interrupted by configuration screens? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 11:36:24 -0000 > Are there any adverse side effects if I use portupgrade some of the > time, and postmaster other times? Probably not, if you keep your portupgrade portsdb and pkgdb up-to-date, and you are not doing anything special with pkgtools.conf, portmaster.rc, or environment variables. But you don't really need both, or, for that matter, either of them. For instance, you could just use the base system utilities and do something like: pkg_version -qol '<' | cut -f 1 -d ' ' | xargs -o -t -I % make -C /usr/ports/% config-recursive (For a speed-up, if you are sure your INDEX is synchronized with the rest of your ports tree, you could add the -I flag to the above pkg_version call.) > Reason for wanting to do all "make config"s beforehand is not only > efficiency and ability to run unattended, but the ability to recover > from a typo at the config dialog interface, which can be confusing, > on when to press spacebar, tab, enter, up- and down-arrows. This is what the portupgrade -C/-c flags are for. if you want to do the configuration as a completely separate step from the updating, for whatever reason, you could run 'portupgrade -can', for example. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 11:44:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB5B106564A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:44:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762858FC0C for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o93BiOYF085879; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 05:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id o93BiOjU085876; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 05:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 05:44:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Brandon Gooch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20101002113640.2ab36871@asus64> <20101002165150.01e0cac0@asus64> <20101002194502.24e0f9da@asus64> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 03 Oct 2010 05:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Robert Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 11:44:27 -0000 On Sun, 3 Oct 2010, Brandon Gooch wrote: > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Robert wrote: >> >> I should have mentioned that before. dd was the first thing I tried. >> I had an unused drive setup as UFS. Then did >> >> dd if=/dev/da1s1 of=/dev/ad12s1d bs=1m count=2000 > > I believe that the above 'if' operand to dd should instead be /dev/da1 > (without the 's1' slice). Also, the operand 'of' will need to point to > a device, such as /dev/ad12, or a file on a mounted file system, such > as /mnt/my_disk_image.img Further, only the first 2G of a 500G NTFS filesystem will probably not be usable. A quick search found this (old) article: http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/ntfs/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 12:12:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF5B106566C for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:12:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from woodbine.london.02.net (woodbine.london.02.net [87.194.255.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C64C8FC0A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji2.config (93.97.24.219) by woodbine.london.02.net (8.5.124.10) id 4C8D78340079034E for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:12:11 +0100 Message-ID: <4CA8731B.1040909@onetel.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:12:11 +0100 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100924 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4ca853f7.u8GtTT6YlSKwZwFM%mueller6727@bellsouth.net> <20101003070921.6159f9ea@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20101003070921.6159f9ea@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Massive portupgrade without being interrupted by configuration screens? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:12:13 -0000 On 10/03/10 12:09, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:59:19 +0000 > Thomas Mueller articulated: > >> > From "Elias Chrysocheris": >> >>> If you are sure that the default configuration settings are OK for >>> you, then one way is to perform a portupgrade with the switches >>> --batch --yes, like portupgrade --batch --yes -a >> >>> This will assume that the default settings are those you like and >>> will not ask you anything about configuration screens e.t.c. >> >>> Elias >> >> Idea is that I might want to configure some of the options, so I >> can't use --batch=YES unless I configure all options beforehand, >> meaning I have to find what ports are to be upgraded and which of >> those have user-selectable options. >> >> Are there any adverse side effects if I use portupgrade some of the >> time, and postmaster other times? >> >> Reason for wanting to do all "make config"s beforehand is not only >> efficiency and ability to run unattended, but the ability to recover >> from a typo at the config dialog interface, which can be confusing, >> on when to press spacebar, tab, enter, up- and down-arrows. >> >> Now I see in UPDATING file, date 20100915, that lang/perl5.12 has >> been updated to 5.12.2. >> >> 20100915: >> AFFECTS: users of lang/perl5.12 >> AUTHOR: skv@FreeBSD.org >> >> lang/perl5.12 has been updated to 5.12.2. You should update >> everything that depends on perl. The easiest way to do that is to use >> "perl-after-upgrade" script supplied with lang/perl5.12. >> Please see its manual page for details. >> >> If you want to switch to lang/perl5.12 from lang/perl5.{8,10} please >> follow instructions in the entry 20100715 in this file. >> >> >> I only saw this via FreeBSD web site Oct 3 (20101003), after my >> original inquiry. Does this mean I have to go through all the >> troubles again? >> >> I already successfully portupgraded Perl to 5.12.2. But I guess I >> need to read "perl-after-upgrade" script before doing anything >> (including panicking?). > > If you were to use 'portmanager' with its '-p' option, it would rebuild > all ports that depend on the new version of Perl as well as any ports > that depended on those ports as well. It would insure that the > dependency links were fully updated. There is then no need to run the > superfluous "perl-after-upgrade' script; although, you are free to do > so if you so desire. > I use portmanager -s to get a list of ports to be upgraded which I then feed into a foreach (csh) or for (sh) loop which runs "make config" in each port directory. It's quick and easy and I can then run portmanager with no further intervention and I have all the configs as I want them. chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 12:39:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10379106564A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:39:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from myself@rdtan.net) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E214F8FC14 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk1 with SMTP id 1so390749pzk.13 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 05:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.201.18 with SMTP id y18mr9608862waf.138.1286109573797; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 05:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xhost.local ([113.210.255.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c24sm6823904wam.7.2010.10.03.05.39.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 03 Oct 2010 05:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CA8797D.40004@rdtan.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:39:25 +0800 From: Edward User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Mueller References: <4ca853f7.u8GtTT6YlSKwZwFM%mueller6727@bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: <4ca853f7.u8GtTT6YlSKwZwFM%mueller6727@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Massive portupgrade without being interrupted by configuration screens? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:39:57 -0000 On 03/10/10 5:59, Thomas Mueller wrote: > Idea is that I might want to configure some of the options, so I can't use --batch=YES unless I configure all options beforehand, meaning I have to find what ports are to be upgraded and which of those have user-selectable options. You might want to look at "make config-recursive" running inside the port directory. e.g. cd /usr/ports/x11/kde4; make config-recursive This will make port display the options menu of the current port and dependency's options menu. Additionally, "make fetch-recursive" would fetch all the needed files to compile the port into dist directory. Do take note that if you have set any options in the port directory, those options menu will NOT appear again. If you need to clear all the options, use "make clean-recursive" instead. These commands are taken from : http://scratching.psybermonkey.net/2010/01/freebsd-tips-to-prepare-large-ports.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 12:48:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5E8106564A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:48:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhfoo-ml@extracktor.com) Received: from mail.nexlabs.com (mail.nexlabs.com [210.193.32.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B3C58FC19 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 65729 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2010 12:22:08 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on frostbite.nexlabs.local X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=8.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, FH_DATE_PAST_20XX, RCVD_IN_PBL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,RDNS_NONE shortcircuit=no autolearn=no version=3.2.5 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.108?) (jhfoo@nexlabs.com@222.165.16.113) by mail.nexlabs.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2010 12:22:08 -0000 Message-ID: <4CA8756E.70406@extracktor.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:22:06 +0800 From: Foo JH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: simplest way to get gnome/ kde up and running X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:48:56 -0000 Hi guys, I've been trying without luck to get KDE/ Gnome configured. I've been reading and re-reading (and trying and re-trying) to get the window manager running, but it's been driving me nuts. - How far I've gotten: 1. Installing Xorg from the DVD package is easy. I've added the hald_enable and dbus_enable to /etc/rc.conf 2. Xorg -configure looks like it's working too: i get the skeleton outlined window manager that I believe is fwm 3. Xorg -configure xorg.conf.new -retro works too - Where I'm stuck: 1. So far ~/.xinitrc is missing. But I followed the Handbank anyway and did this: echo "/usr/local/bin/gnome-session" > ~/.xinitrc 2. Running startx crashes now because it complains /usr/local/bin/gnome-session is missing - that's true. Am I missing something? Or is there an easier way that Linux distros have been very successful at? I'm a Freebie and I'd prefer to go with FreeBSD as much as possible. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 13:07:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDFC106564A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:07:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp03.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp03.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5808FC14 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c83-255-61-120.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.61.120]:25787 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp03.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1P2OH7-0008Ts-AH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 15:06:47 +0200 Received: (qmail 90358 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2010 15:06:41 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 3 Oct 2010 15:06:41 +0200 Received: (qmail 89158 invoked by uid 1001); 3 Oct 2010 15:06:41 +0200 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 15:06:41 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Foo JH Message-ID: <20101003130641.GA89095@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <4CA8756E.70406@extracktor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CA8756E.70406@extracktor.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.61.120 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1P2OH7-0008Ts-AH. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp03.sth.basefarm.net 1P2OH7-0008Ts-AH 477476b1407e0108c6772c6eda59a3d1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: simplest way to get gnome/ kde up and running X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:07:22 -0000 On Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 08:22:06PM +0800, Foo JH wrote: > Hi guys, > > I've been trying without luck to get KDE/ Gnome configured. I've been > reading and re-reading (and trying and re-trying) to get the window > manager running, but it's been driving me nuts. > > - How far I've gotten: > 1. Installing Xorg from the DVD package is easy. I've added the > hald_enable and dbus_enable to /etc/rc.conf > 2. Xorg -configure looks like it's working too: i get the skeleton > outlined window manager that I believe is fwm The default window manager included with X.org is actually twm (not that it actually matters for this question.) > 3. Xorg -configure xorg.conf.new -retro works too > > - Where I'm stuck: > 1. So far ~/.xinitrc is missing. But I followed the Handbank anyway and > did this: > echo "/usr/local/bin/gnome-session" > ~/.xinitrc > > 2. Running startx crashes now because it complains > /usr/local/bin/gnome-session is missing - that's true. > > Am I missing something? Or is there an easier way that Linux distros > have been very successful at? I'm a Freebie and I'd prefer to go with > FreeBSD as much as possible. Have you actually installed KDE and/or Gnome? I don't see that step included in what you say you have done. If you have not you will of course need to do that before you can configure either of them. For Gnome you will probably want the x11/gnome2 port/package while for KDE you will probably want either x11/kde3 or x11/kde4 (depending on if you want KDE 3.x or KDE 4.x) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 13:21:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E20A106564A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4D18FC19 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id o93DJaDE005892; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:19:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:19:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: traveling08@cox.net, wblock@wonkity.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:21:41 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 2 18:51:14 2010 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:51:50 -0700 > From: Robert > To: Warren Block > Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" > Subject: Re: OT: fdisk > > On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 17:00:00 -0600 (MDT) > Warren Block wrote: > > > On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Robert wrote: > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > I am in deep with the wife. Her computer went belly up. It was > > > running XP pro and I had backups going to a second drive. I can no > > > longer access that drive. > > > > > > I pulled it and attached it via USB to one of my FreeBSD machines > > > but it will not mount. It is a 500G hard drive and I get _wild_ > > > results just looking at it with fdisk. > > > > > > ~> fdisk /dev/da1s1 > > > ******* Working on device /dev/da1s1 ******* > > > > Wait a minute... shouldn't that be just "da1"? da1s1 is the first > > slice (partition), and the data there should be your XP filesystem, > > probably NTFS. > > Warren, > > You are right. Here it is: > > ~> fdisk /dev/da1 > ******* Working on device /dev/da1 ******* > parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: > cylinders=60801 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 > parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: > cylinders=60801 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > Media sector size is 512 > Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 > Information from DOS bootblock is: > The data for partition 1 is: > sysid 7 (0x07),(NTFS, OS/2 HPFS, QNX-2 (16 bit) or Advanced UNIX) > start 63, size 976773105 (476939 Meg), flag 0 > beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; > end: cyl 1023/ head 15/ sector 63 > The data for partition 2 is: > > The data for partition 3 is: > > The data for partition 4 is: > > > Which looks a lot better. I can mount /dev/da1 and it shows > ~> ls -l /mnt > total 70044 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2560 Dec 31 1600 $AttrDef > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $BadClus > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4194304 Dec 31 1600 $Bitmap > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8192 Oct 1 09:09 $Boot > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Extend > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 67108864 Oct 1 09:09 $LogFile > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4096 Oct 1 09:09 $MFTMirr > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Dec 31 1600 $Secure > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 131072 Oct 1 09:09 $UpCase > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Volume > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 45124 Aug 18 2001 NTDETECT.COM > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 17:29 System Volume > Information > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 193 Oct 1 09:12 boot.ini > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 222368 Aug 18 2001 ntldr > > But I cannot mount /dev/da1s1 > > ~> sudo mount_ntfs /dev/da1s1 /mnt > mount_ntfs: /dev/da1s1: Invalid argument what does 'ls -l /dev/da1*' show? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 14:47:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA53D1065670 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 14:47:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE798FC12 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 14:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o93ElVWP076300; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 01:47:32 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 01:47:31 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Eitan Adler In-Reply-To: <20101003094814.2B50B106575D@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20101004004508.R62022@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101003094814.2B50B106575D@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI & battery issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:47:36 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 330, Issue 10, Message: 5 On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:42:23 -0400 Eitan Adler wrote: > I see > ACPI Exception: AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE, Returned by Handler for > [EmbeddedControl] (20100331/evregion-588) > ACPI Error (psparse-0633): Method parse/execution failed > [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.BAT1._BST] (Node 0xc6adba60), > AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE > > repeatedly in dmesg > > sysctl's relating to battery information is also slow: > % time sysctl hw.acpi.battery.state > hw.acpi.battery.state: 7 > sysctl hw.acpi.battery.state 0.00s user 2.18s system 72% cpu 3.006 total > > % time sysctl hw.acpi.battery > hw.acpi.battery.life: -1 > hw.acpi.battery.time: -1 > hw.acpi.battery.state: 7 > hw.acpi.battery.units: 1 > hw.acpi.battery.info_expire: 5 > sysctl hw.acpi.battery 0.00s user 6.58s system 67% cpu 9.779 total > > also note that the life and time are both negative one. > > This is on a Lenovo G530 laptop. The Embedded Controller timed out so battery info is unknown / bogus, which appears quite likely the issue reported here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=150517 If you're sure you have the latest Lenovo BIOS/EC updates, try posting your report above to the freebsd-acpi list, also providing OS version (uname -a) and contents of /var/run/dmesg.boot Good luck, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 17:00:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B14F1065672 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 17:00:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (fed1rmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.241.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F118FC16 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 17:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101003170057.UWHW23088.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:00:57 -0400 Received: from asus64 ([72.220.91.10]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id EH0w1f00K0DQbeo03H0wqB; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:00:56 -0400 X-VR-Score: -230.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=PyPhBskYoaHflNqPyNkGzxEHMB/j16Lz16eTzQWlCdI= c=1 sm=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=/nTdwXoUaSOHzX6NQnbKNQ==:17 a=lM4-zUH5AAAA:8 a=mNL-uGBdAAAA:8 a=4jF4EWDB85UkJ36GF-UA:9 a=4x2-QtjN7f1fTftXOQ3pAFgNhrwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=XZENvOEyztAA:10 a=/nTdwXoUaSOHzX6NQnbKNQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:00:51 -0700 From: Robert To: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> In-Reply-To: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 17:00:57 -0000 On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:19:36 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > > Which looks a lot better. I can mount /dev/da1 and it shows > > ~> ls -l /mnt > > total 70044 > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2560 Dec 31 1600 $AttrDef > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $BadClus > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4194304 Dec 31 1600 $Bitmap > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8192 Oct 1 09:09 $Boot > > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Extend > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 67108864 Oct 1 09:09 $LogFile > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4096 Oct 1 09:09 $MFTMirr > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Dec 31 1600 $Secure > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 131072 Oct 1 09:09 $UpCase > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Volume > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 45124 Aug 18 2001 NTDETECT.COM > > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 17:29 System Volume > > Information > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 193 Oct 1 09:12 boot.ini > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 222368 Aug 18 2001 ntldr > > > > But I cannot mount /dev/da1s1 > > > > ~> sudo mount_ntfs /dev/da1s1 /mnt > > mount_ntfs: /dev/da1s1: Invalid argument > > what does 'ls -l /dev/da1*' show? > Robert Just what one might expect ~> ls -l /dev/da1* crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 129 Oct 2 07:46 /dev/da1 crw-rw---- 1 root operator 0, 92 Oct 2 16:43 /dev/da1s1 To all others who have answered: Thank you for all of your ideas. Warren, thanks for the link. I will be reading it and increasing my understanding of NTFS. I do not think there is anything physically wrong with the disk. I just cannot reach the data on it. Using "photorec" I have all files moved to a spare slice on this FreesBSD machine. It appears that there is less than 60G of actual data on the drive. Most of it is not needed so it will take quite awhile to sort the wanted from the unwanted. I have a spare 250G hard drive. Can I use "dd" to capture 250 gigs from the old drive? Using da1 and ad12 as the if and of will the result be an NTFS formatted 250g drive? Will I have the same results, i.e. able to mount ad12 but not ad12s1? Should I zero out the 250g drive first? Can "ddrescue" do a better job? This drive was used for a backup of of the Docs&Sets "folders" of the XP drive. It also had music and photo files that are also on the FreeBSD computer so they are not that critical. The Docs&Sets folders are the most important to recover so if I can access the data, I can burn it to DVD. Thanks again to all who have responded. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 17:31:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442B3106566C for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 17:31:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A428FC0A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 17:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn10 with SMTP id 10so1270606iwn.13 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 10:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.31.1 with SMTP id w1mr8803517ibc.162.1286127071199; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 10:31:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.166.77 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101004004508.R62022@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101003094814.2B50B106575D@hub.freebsd.org> <20101004004508.R62022@sola.nimnet.asn.au> From: Eitan Adler Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:30:51 -0400 Message-ID: To: Ian Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: acpi@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI & battery issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 17:31:13 -0000 I was told to bring this to acpi@'s attention On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 330, Issue 10, Message: 5 > On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:42:23 -0400 Eitan Adler wrot= e: > > =C2=A0> I see > =C2=A0> ACPI Exception: AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE, Returned by Handler for > =C2=A0> [EmbeddedControl] (20100331/evregion-588) > =C2=A0> ACPI Error (psparse-0633): Method parse/execution failed > =C2=A0> [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.BAT1._BST] (Node 0xc6adba60), > =C2=A0> AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE > =C2=A0> > =C2=A0> repeatedly in dmesg > =C2=A0> > =C2=A0> sysctl's relating to battery information is also slow: > =C2=A0> % time sysctl hw.acpi.battery.state > =C2=A0> hw.acpi.battery.state: 7 > =C2=A0> sysctl hw.acpi.battery.state =C2=A00.00s user 2.18s system 72% cp= u 3.006 total > =C2=A0> > =C2=A0> % time sysctl hw.acpi.battery > =C2=A0> hw.acpi.battery.life: -1 > =C2=A0> hw.acpi.battery.time: -1 > =C2=A0> hw.acpi.battery.state: 7 > =C2=A0> hw.acpi.battery.units: 1 > =C2=A0> hw.acpi.battery.info_expire: 5 > =C2=A0> sysctl hw.acpi.battery =C2=A00.00s user 6.58s system 67% cpu 9.77= 9 total > =C2=A0> > =C2=A0> also note that the life and time are both negative one. > =C2=A0> > =C2=A0> This is on a Lenovo G530 laptop. > > The Embedded Controller timed out so battery info is unknown / bogus, > which appears quite likely the issue reported here: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D150517 It might be the same issue - but I am able to use shutdown -p to shutdown. > > If you're sure you have the latest Lenovo BIOS/EC updates, try posting > your report above to the freebsd-acpi list, also providing OS version > (uname -a) and contents of /var/run/dmesg.boot I'm unsure if I have the latest BIOS, however the vendor's only update tool requires windows - which I don't have a copy of to run it. Machine info: FreeBSD AlphaBeta.local 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:55:53 UTC 2010 root@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 http://isis.poly.edu/~eitan/files/dmesg.boot If its relevant here is acpidump -dt http://isis.poly.edu/~eitan/files/AlphaBeta.acpidump.asl.gz --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 17:40:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F851065673 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 17:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EBD8FC0A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 17:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-226-229.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.226.229]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9ED1E6F3; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 19:40:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o93HekUi001568; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 19:40:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 19:40:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Robert Message-Id: <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> References: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 17:40:48 -0000 On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:00:51 -0700, Robert wrote: > I have a spare 250G hard drive. Can I use "dd" to capture 250 gigs > from the old drive? Using da1 and ad12 as the if and of will the result > be an NTFS formatted 250g drive? Will I have the same results, i.e. > able to mount ad12 but not ad12s1? Yes, as dd gives you an 1:1 copy of what you have. If you intend to "experiment" on the partition (which means that you don't just do reading operations, but writing operations, too), and you're using FreeBSD for that, simply use dd's of= parameter to write to a file instead of directly to the partition; format the ad12 disk with UFS for that purpose. > Should I zero out the 250g drive > first? No need, as dd should overwrite anything. > Can "ddrescue" do a better job? The ddrescue program has the ability to adjust reading block size dynamically if reading errors occur. As you said, the disk itself seems to be fine, so no job for ddrescue here. > The Docs&Sets folders > are the most important to recover so if I can access the data, I can > burn it to DVD. If everything fails, use "The Sleuth Kit"; after installing it, read /usr/local/share/doc/sleuthkit/skins_ntfs.txt for more information. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 21:29:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DCF106564A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:29:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (fed1rmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.241.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F288FC12 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101003212941.CIOG3990.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 17:29:41 -0400 Received: from asus64 ([72.220.91.10]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id EMVh1f0020DQbeo04MVh2d; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 17:29:41 -0400 X-VR-Score: -120.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=bpc8uEicDnqxZSslY2USwZnb9rPJRdwMtO2+C0QOm0U= c=1 sm=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=/nTdwXoUaSOHzX6NQnbKNQ==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=eID5QPxTVXrDWMM8o5cA:9 a=4oomgludITskb_oUfjAL2P6Fl9gA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=jKRid43F7UoA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=/nTdwXoUaSOHzX6NQnbKNQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 14:29:35 -0700 From: Robert To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20101003142935.3d751862@asus64> In-Reply-To: <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:29:42 -0000 On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 19:40:45 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:00:51 -0700, Robert wrote: > > I have a spare 250G hard drive. Can I use "dd" to capture 250 gigs > > from the old drive? Using da1 and ad12 as the if and of will the > > result be an NTFS formatted 250g drive? Will I have the same > > results, i.e. able to mount ad12 but not ad12s1? > > Yes, as dd gives you an 1:1 copy of what you have. If you intend > to "experiment" on the partition (which means that you don't just > do reading operations, but writing operations, too), and you're > using FreeBSD for that, simply use dd's of= parameter to write to > a file instead of directly to the partition; format the ad12 disk > with UFS for that purpose. > Polytropon Thanks for the info. I successfully did the above and now I have a 58.6GB file named disk.img on a UFS disk. Umm, what should I do now. Sorry for dumb question number 37 this weekend but I am a bit confused. Can I do just the opposite to another NTFS drive and end up with all the data looking like it should? I.E. dd from the file to an NTFS disk. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 02:09:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA93A1065670 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 02:09:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868D68FC0A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 02:09:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B9B0CE80492; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 19:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 19:09:39 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20101004020936.GA13414@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: how do I get source off source.forge.com? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 02:09:30 -0000 Does anybody know how to grab the source files off sourceforge.com? I volunteered years back while busy with many other things and ran out of road. Now I am ready to do some devel on the project. The others are long gone. More offline. This can be made universal; I will need some help with the Java ... to get away from Java. tia, y'all, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.90a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 04:27:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE67106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 04:27:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD2B8FC15 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 04:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o944R2iE088493; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 22:27:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id o944R22O088490; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 22:27:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 22:27:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 03 Oct 2010 22:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Robert Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 04:27:08 -0000 On Sun, 3 Oct 2010, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:00:51 -0700, Robert wrote: >> I have a spare 250G hard drive. Can I use "dd" to capture 250 gigs >> from the old drive? Using da1 and ad12 as the if and of will the result >> be an NTFS formatted 250g drive? Will I have the same results, i.e. >> able to mount ad12 but not ad12s1? > > Yes, as dd gives you an 1:1 copy of what you have. It will give an exact copy of the first 250G, which also means it will not resize the 500G filesystem into a working 250G version. The first step would be a copy of the entire drive. Then the filesystem can be repaired and resized. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 04:36:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9398C106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 04:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsilvaleandro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1C18FC17 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 04:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk35 with SMTP id 35so625019qyk.13 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:36:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KOJ2s1FS23SWg8b/sQpNFf0zQTMJ84cTY/KkSLgMurw=; b=pDoofMHyDPxMGZhifrMLuqLYKpRU11rjxNJVAXQa50wu03B5xsY07Uwah+CvyULIVA dOcu+xJ8+C+nYpwLydQxD/Gq9u82pCBcBpNtvcePgA1xHRsGUkyvvmijTVkCw471jb+C SrwbjOheErDCk56PuyYIMnsho7gCPEvVDuybo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=jvg20zWR1/TIkx6JDIyPPoOUDju8IbnOr3UjI1aOWjJcCq1SBBFlOBwjeD87+SNv4C QGLES3ZA+u9Dfb7btto4gLep6ePHw83gnOnhpuEgS1LXulmcu3SFJcsqthUlhGn1DuWm aTB0UCXdyOL0tA4XeISMk1FYSdK84gKPWaqfQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.73.209 with SMTP id r17mr6516218qaj.3.1286165490173; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.229.71 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 01:11:30 -0300 Message-ID: From: Leandro F Silva To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 04:36:33 -0000 Hi guys, Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. Thank you ! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 06:00:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BAF106566C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 06:00:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912038FC17 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 06:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id o9460p8G011834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 3 Oct 2010 23:00:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id o9460pG9011833; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 23:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA14171; Sun, 3 Oct 10 22:51:37 PDT Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 22:51:36 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: jamesbrandongooch@gmail.com Message-Id: <4ca96b68.fFmxfwUIuD5a2uLJ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4c83190a.SG+LIhPWaGtmaaeL%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4C835474.7060707@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4c8487cc.Rh42YL91jTIv09e0%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4c84ce46.sHyLaI+H+UzM+J/y%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4c8c5260.+COCCpHgloxRSY2/%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4C8CD2A4.3020203@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4c8da53d.pPK/NzHAHPlQPOfh%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4c943b69.bsyYirMmUuB/1m0g%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4c945a3f.3BNAtV+UuZ+M1RW2%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: amvandemore@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: partitioning a gmirror (was Re: sysinstall vs gmirror) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 06:00:53 -0000 Getting back to this after a couple of weeks of $work & $life. Brandon Gooch wrote: > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 1:20 AM, wrote: > > Adam Vande More wrote: > [SNIP] > > The question is, how do I go about partitioning gm0 from Fixit? > > I've seen nothing so far that describes how to go about creating > > multiple partitions on a gmirror (or on anything else, for that > > matter) without either using sysinstall or having to understand > > gpart. > > I've used something like this from the Fixit console (using > /dev/ad0 as an example): > > Fixit# kldload /dist/boot/kernel/geom_mirror.ko > Fixit# gmirror -v -b round-robin gm0 /dev/ad0 > Fixit# fdisk -v -B -I /dev/mirror/gm0 > Fixit# bsdlabel -w -B /dev/mirror/gm0s1 > ... The fdisk step does not work for me using the 8.1 memstick. It looks as if I may have reached a dead end, but can anyone identify where I missed a turn? History, all in http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-September 221253.html, 221275.html, 221283.html, 221501.html, 221672.html Details of the latest attempt: I've created the gmirror (which currently contains only one provider -- the other is to be added later), and Fixit can see /dev/mirror/gm0* once I've executed "gmirror load", but neither gpart nor fdisk seems to recognize gm0 as something on which it can operate. The following is a script(1) starting when I first boot into Fixit# from a memstick. I've inserted a blank line ahead of each command to simplify skipping over output that may not be relevant, and I've inserted some commentary (lines starting with !). The disk already contains the gmirror metadata (created during a previous attempt). Script started on Mon Oct 4 03:42:54 2010 Fixit# dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2010 The FreeBSD Project. 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FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:55:53 UTC 2010 root@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel Pentium III (731.47-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin =3D "GenuineIntel" Id =3D 0x683 Family =3D 6 Model =3D 8 S= tepping =3D 3 Features=3D0x383fbff real memory =3D 536870912 (512 MB) avail memory =3D 506056704 (482 MB) ACPI APIC Table: ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 1 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, f00000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 1000000, 1ef9e000 (3) failed Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 agp0: on hostb0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 vgapci0: mem 0xf4000000-0xf5ffffff,0xfcffc000-= 0xfcffffff,0xfc000000-0xfc7fffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 pcib2: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 xl0: <3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xdc80-0xdcff mem 0xf8fffc= 00-0xf8fffc7f irq 16 at device 4.0 on pci2 miibus0: on xl0 xlphy0: <3c905C 10/100 internal PHY> PHY 24 on miibus0 xlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto xl0: Ethernet address: 00:b0:d0:22:5a:14 xl0: [ITHREAD] pci2: at device 6.0 (no driver attached) atapci0: port 0xdc70-0xdc7f,0xdc50-0xdc5f= ,0xdc30-0xdc3f,0xdc10-0xdc1f,0xd8e0-0xd8ff,0xd400-0xd4ff irq 19 at devi= ce 11.0 on pci2 atapci0: [ITHREAD] ata2: on atapci0 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: on atapci0 ata3: [ITHREAD] ata4: on atapci0 ata4: [ITHREAD] pcib3: at device 14.0 on pci2 pci3: on pcib3 ahc0: port 0xec00-0xecff mem 0x= fafff000-0xfaffffff irq 18 at device 10.0 on pci3 ahc0: [ITHREAD] aic7899: Ultra160 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=3D7, 32/253 SCBs ahc1: port 0xe800-0xe8ff mem 0x= faffe000-0xfaffefff irq 19 at device 10.1 on pci3 ahc1: [ITHREAD] aic7899: Ultra160 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=3D7, 32/253 SCBs isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci1: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x1= 77,0x376,0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci1 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: on atapci1 ata1: [ITHREAD] uhci0: port 0xff80-0xff9f irq 19 a= t device 31.2 on pci0 uhci0: [ITHREAD] uhci0: LegSup =3D 0x2f00 usbus0: on uhci0 pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) atrtc0: port 0x70-0x7f irq 8 on acpi0 fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on a= cpi0 fdc0: [FILTER] fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: [ITHREAD] psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 uart0: [FILTER] uart1: <16550 or compatible> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0 uart1: [FILTER] ppc0: port 0x378-0x37f,0x778-0x77f irq 7 on acpi0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold ppc0: [ITHREAD] ppbus0: on ppc0 plip0: on ppbus0 plip0: [ITHREAD] lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: [ITHREAD] lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xcdfff,0xce00= 0-0xcffff pnpid ORM0000 on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=3D0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on is= a0 Timecounter "TSC" frequency 731469967 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec md0: Preloaded image 4423680 bytes at 0xc0fb5504 usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ad0: 305245MB at ata0-master UDMA66= =20 ugen0.1: at usbus0 uhub0: on usbus= 0 ad1: 32253MB at ata0-slave UDMA66=20 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered device_attach: afd0 attach returned 6 ugen0.2: at usbus0 umass0: on usbus0 umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks =3D 0x0000 acd0: CDROM at ata1-slave PIO4=20 ad4: 61136MB at ata2-master UDMA100 = SATA 1.5Gb/s acd1: DVDR at ata3-master UDMA66 SATA 1.= 5Gb/s ad8: 305245MB at ata4-master UDMA133= =20 umass0:2:0:-1: Attached to scbus2 da0 at ahc0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device=20 da0: 160.000MB/s transfers (80.000MHz DT, offset 127, 16bit) da0: Command Queueing enabled da0: 8683MB (17783249 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da1 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device= =20 da1: 1.000MB/s transfers da1: 960MB (1967616 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 960C) GEOM: ad0s2: geometry does not match label (255h,63s !=3D 16h,63s). GEOM: ad8s2: geometry does not match label (255h,63s !=3D 16h,63s). GEOM: da1: geometry does not match label (255h,63s !=3D 64h,32s). GEOM: da1: media size does not match label. Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/md0 ! make *.ko available Fixit# ln -s /dist/boot/kernel /boot Fixit# gmirror load ! see what "gmirror load" appended to dmesg Fixit# dmesg | tail -5 GEOM: da1: geometry does not match label (255h,63s !=3D 64h,32s). GEOM: da1: media size does not match label. Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/md0 GEOM_MIRROR: Device mirror/gm0 launched (1/1). GEOM_MIRROR: Cannot add disk ad0s2a to gm0 (error=3D17). Fixit# ls -la /dev/mirror total 1 dr-xr-xr-x 2 root 0 512 Oct 4 03:44 . dr-xr-xr-x 9 root 0 512 Oct 4 03:42 .. crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 80 Oct 4 03:43 gm0 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 125 Oct 4 03:43 gm0a crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 126 Oct 4 03:43 gm0b ! so the mirror does exist, despite the "Cannot add" message. Fixit# bsdlabel /dev/mirror/gm0 # /dev/mirror/gm0: 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 619907518 0 4.2BSD 0 0 0=20 b: 2097152 619907518 swap =20 c: 622004670 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part, = don't edit partition a: partition extends past end of unit partition b: offset past end of unit partition b: partition extends past end of unit partition c: partition extends past end of unit bsdlabel: partition c doesn't cover the whole unit! bsdlabel: An incorrect partition c may cause problems for standard syst= em utilities ! evidently gm0 does not contain a _valid_ bsdlabel. ! Just in case the additional info is useful ... Fixit# bsdlabel -A /dev/mirror/gm0 # /dev/mirror/gm0: type: ESDI disk: ad0s2 label:=20 flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 255 sectors/cylinder: 16065 cylinders: 38913 sectors/unit: 625142448 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0=09=09# milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0=09# milliseconds drivedata: 0=20 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 619907518 0 4.2BSD 0 0 0=20 b: 2097152 619907518 swap =20 c: 622004670 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part, = don't edit bsdlabel: partition c doesn't cover the whole unit! bsdlabel: An incorrect partition c may cause problems for standard syst= em utilities Fixit# gpart show gm0 gpart: No such geom: gm0. Fixit# gpart show /dev/mirror/gm0 gpart: No such geom: /dev/mirror/gm0. ! So gm0 evidently doesn't have a valid gpart label either. ! What is defining gm0a and gm0b, if it is neither a gpart nor a bsdlab= el? ! Try to reslice & label gm0, which "should" appear to be a disk device Fixit# fdisk -v -B -I /dev/mirror/gm0 ******* Working on device /dev/mirror/gm0 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=3D38587 heads=3D255 sectors/track=3D63 (16065 blks/cyl) Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=3D38587 heads=3D255 sectors/track=3D63 (16065 blks/cyl) Information from DOS bootblock is: 1: sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 63, size 619900092 (302685 Meg), flag 80 (active) =09beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; =09end: cyl 698/ head 254/ sector 63 2: 3: 4: fdisk: Class not found Fixit# ls -la /dev/mirror total 1 dr-xr-xr-x 2 root 0 512 Oct 4 03:44 . dr-xr-xr-x 9 root 0 512 Oct 4 03:42 .. crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 80 Oct 4 03:46 gm0 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 125 Oct 4 03:46 gm0a crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 126 Oct 4 03:46 gm0b ! The partitioning seems unchanged, but apparently something was ! written (since the timestamps have changed). No telling what it ! may have been. Fixit# ^D=08=08 Script done on Mon Oct 4 03:48:31 2010 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 07:54:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADF7106566C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399908FC18 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mueller6722.bellsouth.net (adsl-210-187-238.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.210.187.238]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20101004075449H0600m2b0pe>; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:54:49 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.210.187.238] Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 08:11:37 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <4ca98c39.BiLRwplkp51KMiww%mueller6727@bellsouth.net> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Massive portupgrade without being interrupted by configuration screens? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 07:54:50 -0000 Thanks to all who responded, now I have several things to think about. I will want to look at "perl-after-upgrade" script. Even if I don't use it, it would likely be helpful to see what it does and guide me as to what I can do. I also find I have a burning desire to check out pkgsrc (under NetBSD, now at 5.1 RC4) to see how it compares to FreeBSD ports. With a massive portupgrade, I may be delayed in checking and responding to email. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 09:10:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA111065675 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cblasius@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8DD8FC16 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so3970613fxm.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 02:10:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=SvN3FiOPvTJGYwYJypHVLJy9CtTzgKy/O93H8bBAYJQ=; b=Sd6dPR/GHUi4q3YdKIqZ2aZjjIW6WHkidg6LDBZ6wY828GBeuZr1sIpd5IC80GDLBE MTyRAX8yCz/32B+dBxmyx+3IB4Nun6fbj+T8Z0tLaf97gcxenkVYf7HuAA1EDmmO2bV1 880zmJCR53FhtoIqgiGyQpXJr/IfEIu4vVmB8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=LdFrrNAwg+AyfcNYHLaMywNCWtJDaGaup3fCh+H9JU/3XS9vzJh3A9XNW2QOX3O82K E0DqU/g47zD6T97yY+bbl68mGccm769k+nqgCOuPaDijL4XqpZSNAAfUfbVO8vtqRizV RRuSSM1uUS75ify0nMfFOEHMtr5kGMIyoh/pU= Received: by 10.223.15.88 with SMTP id j24mr8535054faa.55.1286181625697; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 01:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dynamic-78-8-94-246.ssp.dialog.net.pl (dynamic-78-8-94-246.ssp.dialog.net.pl [78.8.94.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r8sm2027744faq.34.2010.10.04.01.40.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 Oct 2010 01:40:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Zbigniew Komarnicki To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:40:11 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <20101002113640.2ab36871@asus64> In-Reply-To: <20101002113640.2ab36871@asus64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201010041040.11680.cblasius@gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:10:27 -0000 On Saturday 02 of October 2010 20:36:40 Robert wrote: > Greetings Maybe good tool will be System Rescue CD, Linux Live distribution, it has a tool named ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs. See here: http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_Mounting_an_NTFS_partition_with_full_Read-Write_support > Thanks for any suggestions. Good luck! > Robert Zbigniew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 09:43:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86C81065693 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:43:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from newbsd@rocketmail.com) Received: from n13-vm0.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com (n13-vm0.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com [202.86.5.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB9818FC13 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [202.86.5.126] by n13.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2010 09:30:47 -0000 Received: from [203.104.18.53] by t6.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2010 09:30:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp105.mail.in2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2010 09:30:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 11714.25621.bm@omp105.mail.in2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 36703 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2010 09:04:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1286183045; bh=AbkaYf/JT52LGiqAgPDoiB9RK88xabW8Td7FitMhjXU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MMXRU0pcpX7TWdNIqJjodXWSqEN69+F3L5g8Qe9JuZ632X1RdZwtx1PhmvPPELbCwPcY3ZbD+feYQfXbfac5dwg9UHVW0YDNSzHxXrhYXEI5V6rq/TKwjYi+WG5NE61vDhhvg1OgPQBTHJHkc0XEPdN074XWbSFIR9RkEh3mgYg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kjtykq1tYludcGUBa6duI/sKviNe67xnaGMOTFU4aRGxQ18oG6gB1hoJz3nskbwNwnBYUWQCazu3WYdcPUybXTjWpXYKUHnzfpGlpkkZ0M5I30E9fqpWNjIIr5jrKIP6SWq62OdZg3alFukjZ3tJQBB5FchIMDyShDV6csSmeQE=; Message-ID: <791840.36389.qm@web95701.mail.in.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: NMhFboQVM1mb7aM1Z9dMdqY7rlOdoluYJhHPGGwSWeOQCJF MUhhMGUYbyrYbpiUFKGmJrmXXmgWiAy5yrwkbVU5NAyjjmja9F43nc29Uknl j8SzOdqNsEpGMblj9sYt9EKpvBoJKyG_BvO0rOlJxGZsEhs_Izxgu753T5r0 66eGLF4EokKD7tpGvI7T_fF6fr2MoH1nfVuWuhYT_lIvKmEe4ZOcvvm8i8Q- - Received: from [61.12.14.5] by web95701.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 02:04:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 02:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mbsd Basd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: any one with acer 5740 running freebsd ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:43:08 -0000 Hi , This is my first mail to the list. I would like to install free bsd/pcbsd t= o my laptop. Primary use is to use it as a multimedia pc and also to use it= to learn about operating systems I tried the pc bsd live cd and it worked fine. I would like to hear any com= ments or +experience with install on=A0 acer 5740. configuration is as below:. Intel i5 3gb ram INSYDE BIOS 1.15 320GB hard disk DVD+-RW=20 b/g/n wireless thanks, alien =0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 09:59:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DE3106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:59:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD488FC1D for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn40 with SMTP id 40so160479iwn.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 02:59:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=LqY65P2+iZeY9dzIhYDT4WNdcIK0XkkDJ/fqGGctNNE=; b=qcM9carhTKE/7MhBmLwgc9SKG8WMG6Cn3k4WLZqJUFzlMTWKwwt+67b0PirOSZ6ZMH 7GWRfeq4IxV8ltVVVN+54VBtoEDTLwPPutLePnJVCYDBydht1o+659zg4PDEl/gmeW/8 ev0lbaTfE8lz0sp+SLM1lxLuKATM3FaxNwd+Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=vkLKgZDTP9kljYxousXBBphWgoZqp+IAiI7uWF9OBn8c104Raenz2+rc9pi/1iM2l1 IYZLdKAM0VrGK/ql8gPIvqNjRd+XUoZGT7FpvBdjcJqw0iWOypAwSewi1czELYmHK8vp +cUUvFQ2FAxPFGiEvpzqEQcEDtxcP8A9M78YE= Received: by 10.231.152.146 with SMTP id g18mr9964108ibw.48.1286186398673; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 02:59:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.200.145 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 02:59:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <791840.36389.qm@web95701.mail.in.yahoo.com> References: <791840.36389.qm@web95701.mail.in.yahoo.com> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:59:27 +0300 Message-ID: To: Mbsd Basd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: any one with acer 5740 running freebsd ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:59:59 -0000 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Mbsd Basd wrote: > Hi , > > This is my first mail to the list. I would like to install free bsd/pcbsd > to my laptop. Primary use is to use it as a multimedia pc and also to use it > to learn about operating systems > > I tried the pc bsd live cd and it worked fine. I would like to hear any > comments or +experience with install on acer 5740. > configuration is as below:. > Intel i5 > 3gb ram > INSYDE BIOS 1.15 > 320GB hard disk > DVD+-RW > b/g/n wireless > > thanks, > > If it worked with the LiveCD, it will work when installed! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 10:13:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53E31065675 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:13:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhfoo-ml@extracktor.com) Received: from mail.nexlabs.com (mail.nexlabs.com [210.193.32.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DA3F8FC16 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26627 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2010 10:13:01 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on frostbite.nexlabs.local X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-31.8 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,SC_HAM shortcircuit=ham autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.214?) (jhfoo@nexlabs.com@202.128.216.130) by mail.nexlabs.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2010 10:13:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4CA9A8AA.4070003@extracktor.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:12:58 +0800 From: Foo JH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CA8756E.70406@extracktor.com> <20101003130641.GA89095@owl.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20101003130641.GA89095@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: simplest way to get gnome/ kde up and running X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:13:02 -0000 > Have you actually installed KDE and/or Gnome? I don't see that step > included in what you say you have done. > If you have not you will of course need to do that before you can > configure either of them. > For Gnome you will probably want the x11/gnome2 port/package while for > KDE you will probably want either x11/kde3 or x11/kde4 (depending on if > you want KDE 3.x or KDE 4.x) I install Gnome via the DVD package. I believe it's gnome-desktop-... (sorry, need to be back home to get the actual package name). I tried to find gnome2 in the dvd package list (not the ports), but it's not listed there. Would it come under another name? > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 10:22:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373A41065675 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:22:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3278FC1C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1P2hrE-0001bd-Mh>; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:01:20 +0200 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1P2hrE-0004E8-Gx>; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:01:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4CA9A5F4.6020108@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:01:24 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100917 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: Subject: Cleaning /var/db/portsnap/files/, how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:22:09 -0000 On several FreeBSD boxes "performing portsnap fetch" updating the ports on a regular basis, folder /var/db/portsnap/files/ gets filled over time. I was wondering if there is not an elegant, sophisticated way cleaning up those files not needed anymore. Please shed light onto my darkness ... Regards, O. Hartmann From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 10:34:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726AD1065679 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:34:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B448FC1A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-226-229.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.226.229]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640AE1E5F1; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:34:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o94AYDc1001535; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:34:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:34:13 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Robert Message-Id: <20101004123413.8e7cf859.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101003142935.3d751862@asus64> References: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101003142935.3d751862@asus64> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:34:16 -0000 On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 14:29:35 -0700, Robert wrote: > Thanks for the info. I successfully did the above and now I have a > 58.6GB file named disk.img on a UFS disk. > > Umm, what should I do now. Sorry for dumb question number 37 this > weekend but I am a bit confused. Can I do just the opposite to another > NTFS drive and end up with all the data looking like it should? I.E. dd > from the file to an NTFS disk. You can now use the file as if it were a disk. To "turn it into a device", simply do % mkdir mnt % sudo mdconfig -a -t vnode -u 10 -f disk.img % mount -o ro /dev/md10 mnt/ This should give you the chance to extract files from it. You can also use fdisk on the /dev/md10 file (or any other unit number given by -u you want to use). I wouldn't dd the file back to the original drive, that might make things worse. For data extraction, I suggest dd'ing the WHOLE disk into an image file and then working with this file, having the original disk not touched anymore until the data is back. See /usr/local/share/doc/sleuthkit/skins_ntfs.txt from TSK (port: sleuthkit) for details about NTFS file recovery. As you did show that you could mount the disk (I think you presented a ls output with typical "Windows" files) this should be possible again after fixing the partition table. I have to admit that I've got NO CLUE about "Windows" file systems as I don't use them, so I sadly can't be more specific. You can also use ddrescue instead of dd, as it allows resuming a dd operation, and it will dynamically adjust read block sizes, so it might run faster. % ddrescue -d -r 3 -n /dev/ad12 ntfs.ddr log.txt If mounting does not work, you can use tools like photorec on the /dev/md10 file which will extract known file types. The tool magicrescue also could work: % magicrescue -r /usr/local/share/magicrescue/recipes -d mr_output /dev/md10 -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 10:40:29 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41A41065670 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24B58FC0C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-226-229.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.226.229]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2D91E387; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:40:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o94AeRNG001545; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:40:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:40:27 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20101004124027.cc662f33.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Robert Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:40:30 -0000 On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 22:27:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 3 Oct 2010, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:00:51 -0700, Robert wrote: > >> I have a spare 250G hard drive. Can I use "dd" to capture 250 gigs > >> from the old drive? Using da1 and ad12 as the if and of will the result > >> be an NTFS formatted 250g drive? Will I have the same results, i.e. > >> able to mount ad12 but not ad12s1? > > > > Yes, as dd gives you an 1:1 copy of what you have. > > It will give an exact copy of the first 250G, which also means it will > not resize the 500G filesystem into a working 250G version. > > The first step would be a copy of the entire drive. Then the filesystem > can be repaired and resized. Exactly. NEVER mess with the precious data. Only read, then store away the drive. If all files are back, the drive can be cleanly reformatted and then populated with the original files. All investigation and modification tasks should be done with a copy. If you mess up a copy, get a new one. As hard disks are cheap, it might be worth buying a new one just to have enough disk space available for such tasks. Remember: Hard disks are cheap, your data isn't. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 11:02:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FC710656A4 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:02:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from newbsd@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm2.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com (nm2.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com [121.101.151.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E17588FC14 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [121.101.151.237] by nm2.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2010 11:02:44 -0000 Received: from [121.101.151.235] by tm2.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2010 11:02:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.in.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2010 11:02:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 948770.20597.bm@omp1004.mail.in.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 44455 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2010 11:02:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1286190163; bh=67IB6/XhWYQF82u2qwhjSLXGHetqm4EsGioMMvYHp5c=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CzbAu4eaL1jENimYq+wg5xYAo5NsLkEoWVXQdkY6CZGsLkZMpQZY9zKaGq8yQV4nzGfp5IAL+TMJFoB9tLHoxN9Lo1MhZc49r3MRpCCBBF8nJO8LIXhQQrAtz9PceuQAwZWxNeDRHVScS8Bj70hO4K0WJQao482xmer6iuD8sbo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FZlt0FKUo2kfY738ZMCa24TImjc20OGHvf/TFQmNFAgj6BsNLM5Ykq5Jl5HWr0lSdEdqkKFDg52MtpyBtsE4U36H3ZdLWSAOSKo4YFHHJ/yeLubEP8TxwKBZP2mYofHNoKiKtL6jMKfGy5BJxILzzCAHtoNGxePFHGSstC3P2mQ=; Message-ID: <730287.35835.qm@web95703.mail.in.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7j7B.ZMVM1l3x.aAHAuC6eD7UcpTAVa_ZjUhm7EymSNhbPr Wvi9EtbYiJU1N1uG7j2QH4p37VQ2gMGFxYmD156duSCC9VbeaSF5RrbeDLXL vO.NjDJJFCaqroli73QpdnDHbte8X0arzvQvnwBMUeOOpHl2SUn248mHMxrI kiYjOr1WfvbtHj3X0FVGUj69UJiSTuzIiELu.c7PkgmI9lugDnSouagG1a7F upbDiqoVEsvIE Received: from [61.12.14.5] by web95703.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:32:43 IST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:32:43 +0530 (IST) From: Mbsd Basd To: Odhiambo Washington In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: any one with acer 5740 running freebsd ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:02:48 -0000 thanks...when i did a google search it comes up with issues of bsd with Ins= yde BIOS. I guess iam overly cautious...time to take the plunge... thanks all.. --- On Mon, 4/10/10, Odhiambo Washington wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington Subject: Re: any one with acer 5740 running freebsd ? To: "Mbsd Basd" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Monday, 4 October, 2010, 9:59 AM On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Mbsd Basd wrote: =0A=0AHi , =0A =0AThis is my first mail to the list. I would like to install free bsd/pcbs= d to my laptop. Primary use is to use it as a multimedia pc and also to use= it to learn about operating systems =0A =0AI tried the pc bsd live cd and it worked fine. I would like to hear any = comments or +experience with install on=A0 acer 5740. =0Aconfiguration is as below:. =0AIntel i5 =0A3gb ram =0AINSYDE BIOS 1.15 =0A320GB hard disk =0ADVD+-RW =0Ab/g/n wireless =0A =0Athanks, If it worked with the LiveCD, it will work when installed!=20 --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 =0A=0A_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _=20 "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 -- Lucky Dube =0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 11:24:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA27106566C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:24:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B938FC08 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-226-229.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.226.229]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB963D267; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:24:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o94BOI9N001745; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:24:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:24:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "O. Hartmann" Message-Id: <20101004132418.68727b62.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4CA9A5F4.6020108@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <4CA9A5F4.6020108@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cleaning /var/db/portsnap/files/, how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:24:21 -0000 On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:01:24 +0200, "O. Hartmann" wrote: > On several FreeBSD boxes "performing portsnap fetch" updating the ports > on a regular basis, folder /var/db/portsnap/files/ gets filled over > time. Sorry for not answering your question, but allow me a little sidenote regarding the proper terminology. FreeBSD, as every UNIX OS, has *directories*, not "folders". You do also use the name "files", not "sheets of paper", don't you? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 11:45:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F797106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:45:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [62.220.235.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4598FC13 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.liukuma.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1251CC5B; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:45:25 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 1B1251CC5B DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=liukuma.net; s=liukudkim; t=1286192725; bh=6wjP39kq1WpwUXEu30EAixqYDwiz418Z+Ih5hfQpQoM=; h=Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ABGzk5PRBReWD84gJngGVfv3TWtV/HeFg3W35oOvuZ9z9Xx/GoyRODJfojBdvk1/S BuT6v3+rqufi0nqYrYHaS+qvvEgRyBD1I9iD51mO5OvT5+PqhZqAzVhHsY47NN2Q9s qOvWLhWshKMwgHGkFYzVNl33oeDVJX4SU3MLwweI= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at liukuma.net Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 1P1FyKOR0Jpq; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:45:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rivendell (a91-155-174-194.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.174.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1211F1CC5A; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:45:17 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 1211F1CC5A Message-ID: <1BB9EE67E2A242C1AD4DEB1D8BA1BC78@rivendell> From: "Reko Turja" To: "Martin Schweizer" References: <000f01cb5a27$4823a0f0$d86ae2d0$@com.au> <211f17580cb0ee7e5fac2831faf33e90.squirrel@hal.psst.com.au> <20101003081526.GJ74320@saturn.pcs.ms> In-Reply-To: <20101003081526.GJ74320@saturn.pcs.ms> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:45:21 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CYRUS IMAP cyradm core dump problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:45:57 -0000 > Am Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 03:05:30PM +0300 Reko Turja schrieb: >> > I applied the patch as suggested by Reko, but it seemed to make=20 >> > no >> > difference >> >> After the patch recompiling and linking at least SASL is needed=20 >> after >> buildworld and inatallation of new world. >> >> > removing libgssapiv2 libs however, solved my cyradm problem >> > >> > will this cause issues into the future for any other ports I may >> > need ti >> > install ? >> >> Unless you need kerberos authentication at some point, removing the >> libs is non-issue. > > I'm running in the same situation as you (see=20 > = http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D846230+852662+/usr/local/ww= w/db/text/2010/freebsd-stable/20101003.freebsd-stable). I=20 > did tried > a lot but end up in a broken make buildworld. Any ideas waht I'm=20 > doing wrong? I sadly don't have any idea if the patch applies cleanly anymore to=20 recent 8.STABLE - I did my testing on 8.1_PRERELEASE, where the patch=20 applied cleanly. There was some talk about updating the patch when the=20 problem was discussed more widely, but nothing has been realised this=20 far. I might be able to test the patch against 8.STABLE on my home system=20 sometime this week - as of myself I just did some testing and=20 troubleshooting back when the problem was discussed, as for myself=20 having working Kerberos is still non-issue. Of course if Kerberos functionality is critical for you, you could try=20 removing Kerberos from base system using /etc.src.conf and then=20 install either kerberos from ports and then linking sasl/cyrus against=20 that. -Reko=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 11:59:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4703F106566C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:59:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDFA8FC08 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so4069436wyb.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 04:59:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G6mwzuUHIHCBMcdqJpf54oCb1VLQZHSiGWn8tXGNYoE=; b=It5VcvA8YtCNcqs5SrYX6l4lutX1PNwxX4V248yYI86KH/26m/FiaMnHBV32Al9oSe ZycX9nkshcAIRUgJWj7dHG4aWKHcIbIZXXV3Th4a+XeVptcJlvkeoJVUENdtRXRMIBvD eyMCY2ZwJg9nsfJHmAX782r070jy77HJpQeRI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IpnvTAUs+s2iQ3WRkHKhutUVVXwUCEonbigb0MwQehOKZmU+M7YoIPsIFBQMiKEoAX 5xs69/0ALd+iGgTvGdOciCzVwEAtJ4BkdCKbi3MvQh7UnRCNc0dhERYkEOtzwDtMMng0 Xrsfn7gKqoZv37/hnHtInxiVEAGJ2CErcdH7M= Received: by 10.216.6.133 with SMTP id 5mr5147319wen.32.1286193594708; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 04:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k83sm2915022weq.14.2010.10.04.04.59.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 Oct 2010 04:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:59:50 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101004125950.1a5aa53f@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4CA9A5F4.6020108@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <4CA9A5F4.6020108@zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cleaning /var/db/portsnap/files/, how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:59:56 -0000 On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:01:24 +0200 "O. Hartmann" wrote: > On several FreeBSD boxes "performing portsnap fetch" updating the > ports on a regular basis, folder /var/db/portsnap/files/ gets filled > over time. I was wondering if there is not an elegant, sophisticated > way cleaning up those files not needed anymore. There shouldn't be any need to do that, they are supposed to be deleted automatically. I have 22371, if you have much more than that you probably should remove the contents of /var/db/portsnap/ and do another fetch. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 12:17:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED4C1065672 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:17:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607A28FC18 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so2105510gxk.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 05:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.149.20 with SMTP id b20mr5568878ano.159.1286194626504; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 05:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w1sm9393832ana.16.2010.10.04.05.17.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 Oct 2010 05:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4849BE54835 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 08:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 08:17:02 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101004081702.7197fc57@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20101004132418.68727b62.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4CA9A5F4.6020108@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20101004132418.68727b62.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Cleaning /var/db/portsnap/files/, how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:17:08 -0000 On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:24:18 +0200 Polytropon articulated: > On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:01:24 +0200, "O. Hartmann" > wrote: > > On several FreeBSD boxes "performing portsnap fetch" updating the > > ports on a regular basis, folder /var/db/portsnap/files/ gets > > filled over time. > > Sorry for not answering your question, but allow me a little > sidenote regarding the proper terminology. > > FreeBSD, as every UNIX OS, has *directories*, not "folders". > You do also use the name "files", not "sheets of paper", > don't you? You say po-tah-toes, he says po-tay-toes, who cares? Were you completely baffled by what he was trying to convey? At the very least, you could have attempted to answer his question before giving him a lecture that served no purpose other than to belittle the OP. By the way, in Linux and other Unix-like operating system, everything on the system is treated as being a file, and a directory is thus considered to be just a special type of file that contains a list of file names and the corresponding inodes for each file and directory that it appears to contain. An inode is a data structure on a filesystem that stores all the information about a file except its name and its actual data. Therefore, strictly speaking, he could have just referenced "file" instead. The term folder is used as a synonym for directory on the Microsoft Windows and Macintosh operating systems. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 12:23:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33288106566C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:23:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91F08FC19 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4so2105683gyg.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 05:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.18.1 with SMTP id v1mr5626456ani.104.1286194982163; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 05:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c19sm9402853ana.2.2010.10.04.05.22.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 Oct 2010 05:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E8DE2E54835 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 08:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 08:22:58 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101004082258.2fd9f1ca@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20101004125950.1a5aa53f@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <4CA9A5F4.6020108@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20101004125950.1a5aa53f@gumby.homeunix.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Cleaning /var/db/portsnap/files/, how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:23:03 -0000 On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:59:50 +0100 RW articulated: > There shouldn't be any need to do that, they are supposed to be > deleted automatically. I have 22371, if you have much more than that > you probably should remove the contents of /var/db/portsnap/ and do > another fetch. I have 22339 files on a FreeBSD 8.1/amd64 system. It might be interesting to find out how to ascertain the correct number of files that should be located there. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 12:39:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D364106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C0A8FC12 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-226-229.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.226.229]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4761E3CAC4; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:39:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o94CdgD5001931; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:39:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:39:42 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20101004143942.559f480c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101004081702.7197fc57@scorpio> References: <4CA9A5F4.6020108@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20101004132418.68727b62.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101004081702.7197fc57@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: Cleaning /var/db/portsnap/files/, how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:39:45 -0000 On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 08:17:02 -0400, Jerry wrote: > You say po-tah-toes, he says po-tay-toes, who cares? I say Kartoffel, you say name server, who cares? :-) > Were you > completely baffled by what he was trying to convey? At the very least, > you could have attempted to answer his question before giving him a > lecture that served no purpose other than to belittle the OP. You know that I'm a bit picky about correct terminology, and I've often said on this list that the things are correctly called "directories" because that is their correct name, and even their "more correct" name in UNIX context. In specific fields of language, you have terminology. You have them in education, in commerce, in politics, in the context of law, and of course you have them in the field of IT. That is nothing special, bad, or strange. > By the way, in Linux and other Unix-like operating system, everything > on the system is treated as being a file, and a directory is thus > considered to be just a special type of file that contains a list of > file names and the corresponding inodes for each file and directory > that it appears to contain. An inode is a data structure on a > filesystem that stores all the information about a file except its name > and its actual data. Therefore, strictly speaking, he could have just > referenced "file" instead. As he refered to a special file (in the more system-level context of a file system) the naming "directory" would be better as it is not misleading. Using the term "file" without further explainations usually refers to a "plain file". Let me give a quite formal example: usage of inodes = { file | directory | link } file = { regular file | block device | pipe | ... } This is not complete (and not trying to be), but it illustrates that the word "file" does not carry the meaning "directory" per se in its normal in-context use. > The term folder is used as a synonym for directory on the Microsoft > Windows and Macintosh operating systems. Erm... no. Not quite correct. The term "folder" is a description of a pictural element that represents a directory, or, to be correct, it is the NAME of that pictural element that represents a directory. This word is common used *instead* of "directory" in the MICROS~1 land. While "directory" is a technical term (as seen in the context of IT), "folder" is a rather descriptive term that is used to refer to the technical term (like when you're refering to a heavy load transportation truck as a "big car"). Jerry, I don't want to pollute the list with discussions about terminology and other aspects of language and their use, but please be sure that it was not my intention to "belittle" the OP, and I'm sure the OP did understand my comment correctly, as so did many others before him. The fact is that we have certain terminology here, and it should be the most natural thing to use it properly. That's just the way it is. The use of the correct words distinguishes those who know what they are talking about from those who don't (yet). As the OP did post a valid (non-stupid) question to this list, I am SURE that he knows the difference, so he definitely knows what he's talking about. Using "folder" instead of "directory" is therefore considered a simple fauxpas by me. It's possible that the OP has also to work with "Windows" stuff, or he's also using a Mac, so he got a little "confused". Now I have to check the zone papers of my Kartoffel, who cares. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 12:33:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F7C106566B for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:33:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sergeant.m.g.bob@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9008FC15 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so3102905qyk.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 05:33:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QxbiifOmFWh55h6Xyi4Nn4wunEj2v4Hzspe782apcfY=; b=iIAQJJ70yf1OZNXDR8CuwKlZI8IjxbnKA82FRfTEtq3xLeFIEmF7QhUHp4npv6Vh/s KPVsFNB+pffP9bFWznP3aNksbiy1dOMVwK3kwhp2z2e2o0//kQJYq5BMG9eSvqgV2F7M OZt63wDHcEWIhJ0sXPHRb332NVntHztCaiFmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=W2Vl8i0Jp7I0J3ecjTniod8fk0kzL6UcO03R5olNc4Jl9gQFWRCm0Hbox8p207fORX 0pCRoAj9KJjUliwjgiG9L9o6JVcq4Yq4dznagZxaL2XyR6wH1OgBtCO52tQJQsVk0NML Xq0GxlaS72Fe6d7ilDRYQ7cxj84QJwohECCUE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.71.69 with SMTP id g5mr6699843qcj.176.1286194175818; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 05:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.248.130 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 05:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:39:35 +0330 Message-ID: From: "Sergeant M.G.Bob" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:44:03 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: change MAC address for PPPoE connection X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:33:37 -0000 Hello I'm using PPPoE link to connect to the INTERNET. my problem is that I have to change my MAC address for my night time link. I do that using ifconfig command before connecting the night link: *killall ppp ifconfig cdce0 ether 2a:00:00:00:00:00 ppp -ddial adslnight* cdce0 is the interface connected to the ADSL modem. command will change the MAC address on the interface but PPP still uses the old MAC (I can see it over tcpdump). I think it's some cache or something that keeps the old MAC. please help me, I couldn't find anything related on-line. my ppp.conf: *adsl: set log Phase tun command set redial 99 3 set device PPPoE:cdce0 set authname UserName set authkey Password set dial set login add default HISADDR adslnight: set log Phase tun command set redial 99 3 set device PPPoE:cdce0 set authname NightUserName set authkey NightPassword set dial set login add default HISADDR* From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 13:06:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D951065674 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:06:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4388FC1C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so4139626wyb.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 06:06:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JWwuROGLWrqp79qvoll63rGa9XrTSr7psr2A4l6upWo=; b=Ku40eHi96VHkUzYv8iTlKlF70f0ATXZcaD/eeFrR9LIH/GmTTmiS3DZe8EW0MgQlA7 +spbbai/JvQWR9zra97Tf+eg8W/x9SrCOoDBKJAjJEkPB+Istfd81hVIZxn3Lxeb0KGy qGYnhawH/++LJhpjXKyQwgjocUHjJZmDsEH5o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=r1xEkyeYsBJc8fEwD3mx5wqq3h9RfilnczKbR2WrgPSTap3zlFVONta+xmPujphsmg eA+BgO7mt2G0MWWwXL6TjgDfHrOZfM2SQYrQHZh3Q1e3UKNSYKsQvVjq9qAx0yg1StFv J4ZpPieyOzuq6YKnu/lLO7NZPVNJOsZPwbfoM= Received: by 10.227.157.17 with SMTP id z17mr7985828wbw.122.1286197579434; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 06:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e31sm4125880wbe.17.2010.10.04.06.06.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 Oct 2010 06:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:06:15 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101004140615.6e704cda@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20101004082258.2fd9f1ca@scorpio> References: <4CA9A5F4.6020108@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20101004125950.1a5aa53f@gumby.homeunix.com> <20101004082258.2fd9f1ca@scorpio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cleaning /var/db/portsnap/files/, how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 13:06:21 -0000 On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 08:22:58 -0400 Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:59:50 +0100 > RW articulated: > > > There shouldn't be any need to do that, they are supposed to be > > deleted automatically. I have 22371, if you have much more than that > > you probably should remove the contents of /var/db/portsnap/ and do > > another fetch. > > I have 22339 files on a FreeBSD 8.1/amd64 system. It might be > interesting to find out how to ascertain the correct number of files > that should be located there. $ wc -l < /var/db/portsnap/INDEX 22365 I appear to have 6 superfluous files. Perhaps some ports have been added since you last did a fetch. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 13:47:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6ED1065672 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:47:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nr1c0re@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436A58FC0C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6so3744668qwd.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 06:47:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=K9ZRbl1v64i7z+Do2EW5z7CVoGzOjRebKFrxUwh6R+Q=; b=GlAAaW1oJjSuAeuxRfEG5fSTX8rlSnnd2GbfsBfkgJ22Az5mO/5e4cOxqjeduMZQ+e qx/277GV8FgjEvDKqs3YtthAR1DIL8lWDy8Vw/9yBulhjre5y63Ub6ki3uaZxFuddC2z LJUZw4JTVyUzw0qLuYDllBYO51SypcQwkeIqU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=hRsdxObod6fz8c+GPKS5jdzXEJWDKj4nY11IihhxSkUylgO8N0TYyChgloWSDcWM6u wIpkXCuo4yZBoEH6kGG4IFnkvDbpJj80Dn/fPkh9w8ogZpRgVrufsDlCj4L8SObQNZoX dyBxmJE90dwob3c2W3NR+OsTZorV6WbOJcSco= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.60.136 with SMTP id p8mr6886884qah.216.1286200028330; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 06:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.214.142 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 06:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:47:06 +0400 Message-ID: From: c0re To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Upgrading to higher major version directly or via small steps? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 13:47:09 -0000 Hello all! I'm interested in 2 updates: - from 6.2 to 7.3 and - from 6.2 to 8.1 Can I update directly from 6.2 to 7.3? like set RELENG_7_3 in supfile and make csup. Or I should update to 6.4, then to 7.0, and then to 7.3? And same question about upgrading from 6.2 to 8.1 - can i csup directly to 8.1? If not - why is it so? Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 13:57:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034741065670 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:57:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD27F8FC08 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn40 with SMTP id 40so435147iwn.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 06:57:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=IjtN3Yscrgi2nycdFEdNdzbB8qie3pUWf31QL90GBac=; b=teHJ21RVi0e/SNt9sSydOLtRMyKaZ3ybdQZgKffN+7UcqTvnpTpVJU3t4/qNJEjH/w bzS8hr/rJ9J8GxE16wbzx7sW5MBrG4dUJqWk0tDTiOyIj1kVcaY6eNjCs7HqSraSGSGy 73SP0AoarvL7s/MQz6yj5ZSKdGHp8uWDfralQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=arTpU+TSPcp1UZBL36jXUxVNcYDGWIk66Y3oktIq3LIOZN0Qmm2oMOjXajcnSiBacL YqGFRimArLz6+FuCperXJeEsMT+0qK02aUaTRJ4D8hW08fzQxUWXmPlpbQz43bw55eeb k5EUPfBb/SHDZe6VlFxQXN/Hv+Kv+cwB0pLOY= Received: by 10.231.170.208 with SMTP id e16mr10255721ibz.44.1286200635829; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 06:57:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.200.145 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 06:56:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:56:45 +0300 Message-ID: To: c0re Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading to higher major version directly or via small steps? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 13:57:17 -0000 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:47 PM, c0re wrote: > Hello all! > > > I'm interested in 2 updates: > - from 6.2 to 7.3 > and > - from 6.2 to 8.1 > > Can I update directly from 6.2 to 7.3? like set RELENG_7_3 in supfile and > make csup. Or I should update to 6.4, then to 7.0, and then to 7.3? > > And same question about upgrading from 6.2 to 8.1 - can i csup directly to > 8.1? If not - why is it so? > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/upgrade/ -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 14:09:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E178C106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (fed1rmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.241.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95BC8FC1F for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101004140905.UYHM23088.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:09:05 -0400 Received: from asus64 ([72.220.91.10]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id Ee931f0050DQbeo04e937Q; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:09:03 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=bpc8uEicDnqxZSslY2USwZnb9rPJRdwMtO2+C0QOm0U= c=1 sm=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=/nTdwXoUaSOHzX6NQnbKNQ==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=sgH-TN3AmM6-hga6QAIA:9 a=L-2YbMx0InKEQBUeqaIA:7 a=i4ot2sVqeHLsibhcMjIwrJGA0twA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=jKRid43F7UoA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=q_8KJBpom3tZ85WU:21 a=xZvnPbXxvgIBUWWx:21 a=/nTdwXoUaSOHzX6NQnbKNQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:08:58 -0700 From: Robert To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20101004070858.3a101fa3@asus64> In-Reply-To: <20101004123413.8e7cf859.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101003142935.3d751862@asus64> <20101004123413.8e7cf859.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 14:09:05 -0000 On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:34:13 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 14:29:35 -0700, Robert wrote: > > Thanks for the info. I successfully did the above and now I have a > > 58.6GB file named disk.img on a UFS disk. > > > > Umm, what should I do now. Sorry for dumb question number 37 this > > weekend but I am a bit confused. Can I do just the opposite to > > another NTFS drive and end up with all the data looking like it > > should? I.E. dd from the file to an NTFS disk. > > You can now use the file as if it were a disk. To "turn it into > a device", simply do > > % mkdir mnt > % sudo mdconfig -a -t vnode -u 10 -f disk.img > % mount -o ro /dev/md10 mnt/ > > This should give you the chance to extract files from it. You > can also use fdisk on the /dev/md10 file (or any other unit > number given by -u you want to use). > I have now a free 1TB drive for use. It is formatted as UFS. Should I remove formatting before I dd the 500GB drive to it? I tried the above process and here is what I have. [root@asus64] ~# mdconfig -a -t vnode -u 10 -f /250extra/disk.img [root@asus64] ~# mount -o ro /dev/md10 /mnt mount: /dev/md10 : Invalid argument [root@asus64] ~# mount_ntfs -o ro /dev/md10 /mnt mount_ntfs: /dev/md10: Input/output error [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /dev/md* crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 129 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 130 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10s1 crw------- 1 root wheel 0, 66 Oct 1 14:43 /dev/mdctl [root@asus64] ~# mount -o ro /dev/md10s1 /mnt [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /mnt total 0 [root@asus64] ~# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad12s1d 226G 59G 149G 28% /250extra /dev/md10s1 451G 32G 383G 8% /mnt ^^^^ ^^^ [root@asus64] ~# ls -la /mnt total 0 > Warren wrote: > It will give an exact copy of the first 250G, which also means it > will not resize the 500G filesystem into a working 250G version. Same questions as above. Can I dd to a 1TB? And what format on the drive? I apologize again if I am coming off as dense. I have not used "dd" before as I have always used dump for backups. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 14:32:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756F810656B1 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:32:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3631A8FC12 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-226-229.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.226.229]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60313CFA7; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:32:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o94EWPQI002342; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:32:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:32:25 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Robert Message-Id: <20101004163225.34099bb8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101004070858.3a101fa3@asus64> References: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101003142935.3d751862@asus64> <20101004123413.8e7cf859.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101004070858.3a101fa3@asus64> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 14:32:28 -0000 On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:08:58 -0700, Robert wrote: > I have now a free 1TB drive for use. It is formatted as UFS. Should I > remove formatting before I dd the 500GB drive to it? Not needed, as you're going to use it under the control of FreeBSD. After formatting and mounting it, let's say as /mnt, use dd (or ddrescue) to first get an 1:1 copy of the source disk. > I tried the above process and here is what I have. > > [root@asus64] ~# mdconfig -a -t vnode -u 10 -f /250extra/disk.img > [root@asus64] ~# mount -o ro /dev/md10 /mnt > mount: /dev/md10 : Invalid argument Of course. :-) > [root@asus64] ~# mount_ntfs -o ro /dev/md10 /mnt > mount_ntfs: /dev/md10: Input/output error This indicates that the NTFS seems to be damaged and prevents mount_ntfs from mounting it. Start with "baby steps": Is there a valid partition table? # fdisk /dev/md10 You should now get a partition table. Did you create disk.img by dd'ing da0 or da0s1? This may matter. > [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /dev/md* > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 129 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 130 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10s1 > crw------- 1 root wheel 0, 66 Oct 1 14:43 /dev/mdctl > [root@asus64] ~# mount -o ro /dev/md10s1 /mnt Good. At least a bit. > [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /mnt > total 0 > [root@asus64] ~# df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/ad12s1d 226G 59G 149G 28% /250extra > /dev/md10s1 451G 32G 383G 8% /mnt > ^^^^ ^^^ > [root@asus64] ~# ls -la /mnt > total 0 Hmmm... you dd'ed the WHOLE disk to disk.img? Does the size look reasonable? > > Warren wrote: > > It will give an exact copy of the first 250G, which also means it > > will not resize the 500G filesystem into a working 250G version. > > Same questions as above. Can I dd to a 1TB? And what format on the > drive? Format the target disk as UFS, as you do with any disk you want to use for FreeBSD. Then dd (or ddrescue) the source disk to a file on that target disk. Then "connect" this file to a memory disk (md) device. Check the fdisk output for that device. Mount it. Get your data off. > I apologize again if I am coming off as dense. I have not used "dd" > before as I have always used dump for backups. Correct: dump + restore are used for UFS backups, but in this case, you need to deal with "Windows" stuff that does not support such standard means. That's why you need dd to make an 1:1 copy to work with it as you would work on the original disk. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 14:52:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6521065673 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (fed1rmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.241.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66BE8FC08 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101004145227.XCBG16314.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:52:27 -0400 Received: from asus64 ([72.220.91.10]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id EesS1f00E0DQbeo04esSZe; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:52:26 -0400 X-VR-Score: -120.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=bpc8uEicDnqxZSslY2USwZnb9rPJRdwMtO2+C0QOm0U= c=1 sm=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=/nTdwXoUaSOHzX6NQnbKNQ==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=uElzhxuOOYHT6ZOoUQoA:9 a=UUq94hMw1RjBzfR1b7YA:7 a=sw7FbP-eL1NTtnVe4P2L9oBwVuAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=jKRid43F7UoA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=/nTdwXoUaSOHzX6NQnbKNQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:52:21 -0700 From: Robert To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20101004075221.7709740c@asus64> In-Reply-To: <20101004163225.34099bb8.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101003142935.3d751862@asus64> <20101004123413.8e7cf859.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101004070858.3a101fa3@asus64> <20101004163225.34099bb8.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 14:52:28 -0000 On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:32:25 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:08:58 -0700, Robert wrote: > > I have now a free 1TB drive for use. It is formatted as UFS. Should > > I remove formatting before I dd the 500GB drive to it? > > Not needed, as you're going to use it under the control of FreeBSD. > After formatting and mounting it, let's say as /mnt, use dd (or > ddrescue) to first get an 1:1 copy of the source disk. > It is being performed even as we "speak". > > > > I tried the above process and here is what I have. > > > > [root@asus64] ~# mdconfig -a -t vnode -u 10 -f /250extra/disk.img > > [root@asus64] ~# mount -o ro /dev/md10 /mnt > > mount: /dev/md10 : Invalid argument > > Of course. :-) > > > > > [root@asus64] ~# mount_ntfs -o ro /dev/md10 /mnt > > mount_ntfs: /dev/md10: Input/output error > > This indicates that the NTFS seems to be damaged and prevents > mount_ntfs from mounting it. Start with "baby steps": Is there > a valid partition table? > > # fdisk /dev/md10 [root@asus64] ~# fdisk /dev/md10 ******* Working on device /dev/md10 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=7648 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=7648 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 7 (0x07),(NTFS, OS/2 HPFS, QNX-2 (16 bit) or Advanced UNIX) start 63, size 976773105 (476939 Meg), flag 0 beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; end: cyl 1023/ head 15/ sector 63 The data for partition 2 is: The data for partition 3 is: The data for partition 4 is: > > You should now get a partition table. > > Did you create disk.img by dd'ing da0 or da0s1? This may matter. da1...but not the entire disk. > > > > > [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /dev/md* > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 129 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 130 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10s1 > > crw------- 1 root wheel 0, 66 Oct 1 14:43 /dev/mdctl > > [root@asus64] ~# mount -o ro /dev/md10s1 /mnt > > Good. At least a bit. Is this the way to mount it, not _ntfs? > > > > > [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /mnt > > total 0 > > [root@asus64] ~# df -h > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > > > /dev/ad12s1d 226G 59G 149G 28% /250extra > > /dev/md10s1 451G 32G 383G 8% /mnt > > ^^^^ ^^^ > > [root@asus64] ~# ls -la /mnt > > total 0 > > Hmmm... you dd'ed the WHOLE disk to disk.img? Does the size look > reasonable? No. I was trying to just get the data to a 250GB drive. Now I am doing the 500GB to a 1TB drive and will follow up when complete. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 15:12:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CC3106566B for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:12:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74E68FC14 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-226-229.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.226.229]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF603D269; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:11:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o94FBwma002460; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:11:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:11:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Robert Message-Id: <20101004171158.5940b9f5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101004075221.7709740c@asus64> References: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101003142935.3d751862@asus64> <20101004123413.8e7cf859.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101004070858.3a101fa3@asus64> <20101004163225.34099bb8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101004075221.7709740c@asus64> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:12:01 -0000 On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:52:21 -0700, Robert wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:32:25 +0200 > Polytropon wrote: > [root@asus64] ~# fdisk /dev/md10 > ******* Working on device /dev/md10 ******* > parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: > cylinders=7648 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 > parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: > cylinders=7648 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > Media sector size is 512 > Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 > Information from DOS bootblock is: > The data for partition 1 is: > sysid 7 (0x07),(NTFS, OS/2 HPFS, QNX-2 (16 bit) or Advanced UNIX) > start 63, size 976773105 (476939 Meg), flag 0 > beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; > end: cyl 1023/ head 15/ sector 63 > The data for partition 2 is: > > The data for partition 3 is: > > The data for partition 4 is: > Okay, as I see it, this looks valid - a working partition table. What can prevent mounting now is a defect in the NTFS MFT, everything "after" the disk's partition table. > > > [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /dev/md* > > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 129 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10 > > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 130 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10s1 > > > crw------- 1 root wheel 0, 66 Oct 1 14:43 /dev/mdctl > > > [root@asus64] ~# mount -o ro /dev/md10s1 /mnt > > > > Good. At least a bit. > > Is this the way to mount it, not _ntfs? My fault: Using mount_ntfs is the correct way (or mount -t ntfs); mount without options for a device / directory NOT listed in fstab defaults to UFS. > No. I was trying to just get the data to a 250GB drive. Now I am doing > the 500GB to a 1TB drive and will follow up when complete. Very good. You can check the progress by issuing ^T - dd will then show a status message. If you're using ddrescue (no big difference here), you'll get some more info, like this: % ddrescue -d -r 3 -n /dev/ad1s1f ad1s1f.ddr log.txt Press Ctrl-C to interrupt Initial status (read from logfile) rescued: 0 B, errsize: 0 B, errors: 0 Current status rescued: 90772 MB, errsize: 0 B, current rate: 6815 kB/s ipos: 90772 MB, errors: 0, average rate: 6723 kB/s opos: 90772 MB Finished This example is 3h 45min for 80 GB from one (P)ATA disk to another. You can watch the progress continuously here. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 15:41:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C83AA1065674 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:41:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834BE8FC13 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o94FflmU020915 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:41:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id o94FfloY020912 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:41:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:27:06 -0400 (EDT) From: doug To: Leandro F Silva In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII ReSent-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:41:41 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-From: doug ReSent-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org ReSent-Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook ReSent-Message-ID: ReSent-User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:41:48 -0000 On Mon, 4 Oct 2010, Leandro F Silva wrote: > Hi guys, > > Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? > Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. > > Thank you ! Personally I like to use FreeBSD, but a better answer is found on freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org. Read the thread 'free bsd on laptops'. For the second check out http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 16:04:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE03106566B for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:04:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gautham@lisphacker.org) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64318FC19 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn34 with SMTP id 34so147002iwn.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:04:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.157.11 with SMTP id z11mr10404934ibw.147.1286208241994; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.9 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:04:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:04:01 +0100 Message-ID: From: Gautham Ganapathy To: Leandro F Silva Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:04:03 -0000 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Leandro F Silva wrote: > Hi guys, > > Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? > Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. > > Thank you ! > _______________________________________________ I would prefer FreeBSD, if not for the lack of support (yet) for 802.11n wireless chipsets (don't really like USB wifi poking out of the laptop!). FreeBSD used to work fine on my old Dell Inspiron 9400 (no longer manufactured), except for the card reader, which I never needed. I am waiting for support for wireless-n chipsets (and CUDA, if I'm lucky!) for my Alienware m11x (ndis did not work out) Regards Gautham From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 16:53:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0F01065673 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:53:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55678FC0A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o94Gr9U2069994; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:53:10 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:53:09 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Robert Bonomi In-Reply-To: <20101004120028.1860F10657D0@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20101005020924.H59829@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101004120028.1860F10657D0@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, traveling08@cox.net Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:53:20 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 331, Issue 1, Message: 5 On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:19:36 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 17:00:00 -0600 (MDT) > > Warren Block wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Robert wrote: > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > I am in deep with the wife. Her computer went belly up. It was > > > > running XP pro and I had backups going to a second drive. I can no > > > > longer access that drive. > > > > > > > > I pulled it and attached it via USB to one of my FreeBSD machines > > > > but it will not mount. It is a 500G hard drive and I get _wild_ > > > > results just looking at it with fdisk. > > > > > > > > ~> fdisk /dev/da1s1 > > > > ******* Working on device /dev/da1s1 ******* > > > > > > Wait a minute... shouldn't that be just "da1"? da1s1 is the first > > > slice (partition), and the data there should be your XP filesystem, > > > probably NTFS. > > > > Warren, > > > > You are right. Here it is: > > > > ~> fdisk /dev/da1 > > ******* Working on device /dev/da1 ******* > > parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: > > cylinders=60801 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > > > Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 > > parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: > > cylinders=60801 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > > > Media sector size is 512 > > Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 > > Information from DOS bootblock is: > > The data for partition 1 is: > > sysid 7 (0x07),(NTFS, OS/2 HPFS, QNX-2 (16 bit) or Advanced UNIX) > > start 63, size 976773105 (476939 Meg), flag 0 > > beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; > > end: cyl 1023/ head 15/ sector 63 > > The data for partition 2 is: > > > > The data for partition 3 is: > > > > The data for partition 4 is: > > Robert Bonomi, replying to yours before the above slipped away, but I'm directing this to Robert the OP, ok? So pausing here for a bit .. starting at 63 (cyl 0/ head 1/ sector1 in CHS terms), looks correct for s1, one slice, whole disk for NTFS. That should rule out a damaged MBR in sector 0 - though it doesn't rule out the boot code in the first 2 or so sectors having been clobbered. You can often poke around the beginning of disks to advantage with say: # dd if=/dev/da1 bs=512 count=126 | hd | less to see the first two tracks .. sector 63 should be where NTFS starts, ie after sectors 0-62 on head 0. hd(1) skips repeated zeroes or 0xff and such, so you can hunt through quite a lot of early sectors without huge output in less, usually. > > Which looks a lot better. I can mount /dev/da1 and it shows Just to be clear, you mean: '# mount_ntfs /dev/da1 /mnt' ? (try to be sure to mount NTFS filesystems _explicitly_ read-only, especially if likely damaged) > > ~> ls -l /mnt > > total 70044 > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2560 Dec 31 1600 $AttrDef > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $BadClus > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4194304 Dec 31 1600 $Bitmap > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8192 Oct 1 09:09 $Boot > > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Extend > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 67108864 Oct 1 09:09 $LogFile > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4096 Oct 1 09:09 $MFTMirr > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Dec 31 1600 $Secure > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 131072 Oct 1 09:09 $UpCase > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Volume > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 45124 Aug 18 2001 NTDETECT.COM > > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 17:29 System Volume > > Information > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 193 Oct 1 09:12 boot.ini > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 222368 Aug 18 2001 ntldr > > > > But I cannot mount /dev/da1s1 > > > > ~> sudo mount_ntfs /dev/da1s1 /mnt > > mount_ntfs: /dev/da1s1: Invalid argument Ok, and its not clear why/how mount_ntfs would be happy mounting da1 'raw' but it sure looks like (at least part of) an NTFS root directory; not necessarily all what you'd see as C:\ in windows explorer, say; windows plays strange tricks the way it layers directories for display. There's weird dates (1600?) and only you would know if those October 1st timestamps are of when you mounted it, or when windows last accessed it? The fact that boot.ini is a few minutes later than some is interesting; that's where entries for multi-booting NT may exist, and maybe something messed with that, hardware glitch? or (not entirely unknown :) one of a hundred thousand or so viruses? So, can you look at these files when so mounted? Can you do something like 'du -d2 /mnt' and see anything useful? I'm just guessing /hoping here that the disk may not be as badly scrambled as you fear, despite the apparent oddness of it mounting like that. >From a later message, quoting Robert: > Warren, thanks for the link. I will be reading it and increasing my > understanding of NTFS. Though it's an old (pre-XP) article, it's good basics. Note especially that NTFS keeps a copy somewhere near the middle of the disk of primary metadata, and that your ls above shows what's listed there, eg $MFTMirr which presumably points to that metadata 'mirror' somehow. > I do not think there is anything physically wrong with the disk. I > just cannot reach the data on it. Using "photorec" I have all files > moved to a spare slice on this FreesBSD machine. It appears that there > is less than 60G of actual data on the drive. Most of it is not needed > so it will take quite awhile to sort the wanted from the unwanted. > > I have a spare 250G hard drive. Can I use "dd" to capture 250 gigs There's no guarantee at all - even if the filesystem had just been defragged in windows - that there won't be bits of data all over the disk. Having to back up an entire 500G drive is a pain .. even in windows multiple slices / partitions make sense, eh? - but I don't know how you determined that only 60GB was in use, or that you got all the filesystem metadata as well as what you determined as used? > This drive was used for a backup of of the Docs&Sets "folders" of the > XP drive. It also had music and photo files that are also on the > FreeBSD computer so they are not that critical. The Docs&Sets folders > are the most important to recover so if I can access the data, I can > burn it to DVD. Well if you can descend into anything beyond the root directory you got access to above mounting da1 (read-only hopefully!), you may be in luck. D&S lives quite deep in the tree on windows (ie under the per-user level) but you'd have to hunt the path from the root to there on maybe another windows box. You may or may not have damaged directories above. You've received lots of great advice about tools to use _after_ you've secured a full backup (for which dd is great), but in this case I can't help suspecting the best tools to salvage / repair a winXP NTFS disk are most likely found in windows land, probably bewilderingly plentiful :) Put another way .. FreeBSD's NTFS (native or the fuse ports) may or may not be up to read/write safely by now for normal use, but I'm not sure they'd likely be up to what windows chkdsk / scandisk can do in the way of filesystem repair, let alone some of the better third-party tools. Hope that at least doesn't hinder :) cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 16:55:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A301065670 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:55:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B508FC1D for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so2409146ewy.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:55:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=CFxJZ0PqxWO15OO0zHsUvoNWGrMECI/LlHcc8mawEh4=; b=ermRPJnqjJtFB2JPH5TqcApahFV1rjffKWvJWBB1as0ybPFPhQKmHAaUaky3SUfxo7 +3Qt6KbgmbYcuGi/MntTPpb5y5EXm37v0G5ND7VrBtR5I2nd7/mpHhsd1iDUqkoFeKMP /sLB5IDoH4Bh+N51NiPRKfg78I7DXsi8q+iLk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=xE6uqq+q314hkukz60Bu462OrMSuBqNCh5gNp4SA7B/RIMa4k7KTUIeDGYE3lRZaqc WdM+EsjrnKd+hVPBkYfF5GvZDMxDFTVtW7ax1IGP5cAafhlAbZKETMwJEVfr4RAASBzB ci642J1yX7kNy8L5IDw3bJ4+Dm9ufbkfU+Rxc= Received: by 10.103.121.17 with SMTP id y17mr3349562mum.10.1286209546066; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:25:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.124.16 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:25:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Jack L." Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:25:21 -0700 Message-ID: To: Gautham Ganapathy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Leandro F Silva , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:55:20 -0000 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Gautham Ganapathy wrote: > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Leandro F Silva > wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? > > Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. > > > > Thank you ! > > _______________________________________________ > > FreeBSD with NDIS for wireless and xfce for desktop. Works great on a > gateway ;) > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 17:30:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D80106566C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:30:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from nomoremozzie.com (nomoremozzie.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9AB8FC16 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:30:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([27.104.107.16]) (authenticated bits=0) by nomoremozzie.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o94GtRfJ004059; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:55:28 -0600 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 00:55:21 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-STABLE; KDE/4.4.5; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201010050055.21381.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Leandro F Silva Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:30:04 -0000 Hi, On Monday 04 October 2010 12:11:30 Leandro F Silva wrote: > > Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? > Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. there is no general answer. You must select an individual model first and see then if the hardware is supported. I use normally FreeBSD 7 or 8 but I installed Fedora on a single machine as there is no driver for the LAN available in FreeBSD. If I remember right, wireless was not a problem there. So, choose a model and ask then again. Ok, I have FreeBSD 7 running on an older Fujitsu Lifebook. 8.0 gave me problems with USB. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 18:23:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB7D106567A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 18:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from april.london.02.net (april.london.02.net [87.194.255.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B298FC17 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 18:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji2.config (93.97.24.219) by april.london.02.net (8.5.124.10) id 4C98C91F004D73A8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:23:02 +0100 Message-ID: <4CAA1B86.6010906@onetel.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:23:02 +0100 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100924 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201010050055.21381.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <201010050055.21381.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:23:05 -0000 On 10/04/10 17:55, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Monday 04 October 2010 12:11:30 Leandro F Silva wrote: >> >> Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? >> Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. > > there is no general answer. > > You must select an individual model first and see then if the hardware is supported. > > I use normally FreeBSD 7 or 8 but I installed Fedora on a single machine as there is no driver for the LAN available in FreeBSD. > > If I remember right, wireless was not a problem there. > > So, choose a model and ask then again. > > Ok, I have FreeBSD 7 running on an older Fujitsu Lifebook. 8.0 gave me problems with USB. > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I would rather find a machine which will run FreeBSD if possible. If possible go to a laptop shop with a bootable USB stick (memstick.img) and try booting different machines. Collect dmesg and pciconf output to study at your leisure. I have a HP nc6320 which runs 8.* fine except for the card reader and sleep/resume functions. chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 18:42:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E658C106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 18:42:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (fed1rmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.241.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EA68FC13 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 18:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101004184255.EHHU16314.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:42:55 -0400 Received: from asus64 ([72.220.91.10]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Eiiu1f00b0DQbeo03iivl8; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 14:42:55 -0400 X-VR-Score: -280.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=PyPhBskYoaHflNqPyNkGzxEHMB/j16Lz16eTzQWlCdI= c=1 sm=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=/nTdwXoUaSOHzX6NQnbKNQ==:17 a=mNL-uGBdAAAA:8 a=1stAPgfKOZctSsOPdOIA:9 a=8Z4b03Mma6r954QNNZkA:7 a=Kru4FOTynT0UKdRQfB9mYqXXD_wA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=XZENvOEyztAA:10 a=67B1IHa8laHDLNKT:21 a=XggAwToABarvuyJL:21 a=/nTdwXoUaSOHzX6NQnbKNQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:42:49 -0700 From: Robert To: Ian Smith Message-ID: <20101004114249.738a80fa@asus64> In-Reply-To: <20101005020924.H59829@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101004120028.1860F10657D0@hub.freebsd.org> <20101005020924.H59829@sola.nimnet.asn.au> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:42:56 -0000 On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:53:09 +1100 (EST) Ian Smith wrote: Ian I am in the process of dd the entire disk to a 1TB disk but I wanted to respond to you. You have given a lot of good advice and information and I appreciate it. > > > ~> fdisk /dev/da1 > > > ******* Working on device /dev/da1 ******* > > > parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: > > > cylinders=60801 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > > > > > Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 > > > parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: > > > cylinders=60801 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > > > > > Media sector size is 512 > > > Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 > > > Information from DOS bootblock is: > > > The data for partition 1 is: > > > sysid 7 (0x07),(NTFS, OS/2 HPFS, QNX-2 (16 bit) or Advanced UNIX) > > > start 63, size 976773105 (476939 Meg), flag 0 > > > beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; > > > end: cyl 1023/ head 15/ sector 63 > > > The data for partition 2 is: > > > > > > The data for partition 3 is: > > > > > > The data for partition 4 is: > > > > > > So pausing here for a bit .. starting at 63 (cyl 0/ head 1/ sector1 > in CHS terms), looks correct for s1, one slice, whole disk for NTFS. > That should rule out a damaged MBR in sector 0 - though it doesn't > rule out the boot code in the first 2 or so sectors having been > clobbered. I have tried earlier to explain what might/could have happened but was most likely not specific enough. I will try to do better. This was the wife's computer. It had Xp Pro on the first slice and FreeBSD 7.x on the second. Windows started acting strange and then was rebooting as soon as the desktop rendered. I booted to safe mode and went back one day in the recover option. Same thing happened, i.e. reboot after desktop rendered. I again booted in safe mode and went back two days. Could never get it to boot again even in safe mode. I booted into FreeBSD and copied some critical files off of the Windows slice that she was desperate to have. I put them on a pen drive so she could then access via her laptop. I checked the backup drive and saw that all was fine. I had the D$S stuff backing up nightly. I was able to mount either drive with _ntfs or ntfs-3g. No matter what I tried I could not get windows to boot even in safe mode. I left it running on FreeBSD aver night expecting to have to reinstall windows in the morning. The next day the system had rebooted with the GAG screen up. I ran memtest for about 6 hours and it showed a couple of faults. I pulled one of the three 512M memory chips and it seemed to run OK but still could not boot windows. I reinstalled windows and was doing all of the updates when it started failing to boot. Somewhere in that time the backup (500GB) drive became invisible to windows. FreeBSD showed only ad6 without the s1 partition. I used "sade" to look at it and it did not show as ntfs. I marked it as ntfs thinking that would fix it but it probably caused all of these problems. Whatever is wrong with that computer it now completely messed up. It will not even power on. I strapped out the power connect pins 3 and 4 and the PS runs and the voltages check out. > > You can often poke around the beginning of disks to advantage with > say: # dd if=/dev/da1 bs=512 count=126 | hd | less > to see the first two tracks .. sector 63 should be where NTFS starts, > ie after sectors 0-62 on head 0. hd(1) skips repeated zeroes or 0xff > and such, so you can hunt through quite a lot of early sectors > without huge output in less, usually. > > > > Which looks a lot better. I can mount /dev/da1 and it shows > > Just to be clear, you mean: '# mount_ntfs /dev/da1 /mnt' ? > > (try to be sure to mount NTFS filesystems _explicitly_ read-only, > especially if likely damaged) > > > > ~> ls -l /mnt > > > total 70044 > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2560 Dec 31 1600 $AttrDef > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $BadClus > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4194304 Dec 31 1600 $Bitmap > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8192 Oct 1 09:09 $Boot > > > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Extend > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 67108864 Oct 1 09:09 $LogFile > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4096 Oct 1 09:09 $MFTMirr > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Dec 31 1600 $Secure > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 131072 Oct 1 09:09 $UpCase > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Volume > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 45124 Aug 18 2001 NTDETECT.COM > > > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 17:29 System Volume > > > Information > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 193 Oct 1 09:12 boot.ini > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 222368 Aug 18 2001 ntldr > > > > > > But I cannot mount /dev/da1s1 > > > > > > ~> sudo mount_ntfs /dev/da1s1 /mnt > > > mount_ntfs: /dev/da1s1: Invalid argument > > Ok, and its not clear why/how mount_ntfs would be happy mounting da1 > 'raw' but it sure looks like (at least part of) an NTFS root > directory; not necessarily all what you'd see as C:\ in windows > explorer, say; windows plays strange tricks the way it layers > directories for display. Perhaps explained above? > > There's weird dates (1600?) and only you would know if those October > 1st timestamps are of when you mounted it, or when windows last > accessed it? > > The fact that boot.ini is a few minutes later than some is > interesting; that's where entries for multi-booting NT may exist, and > maybe something messed with that, hardware glitch? or (not entirely > unknown :) one of a hundred thousand or so viruses? > > So, can you look at these files when so mounted? Can you do > something like 'du -d2 /mnt' and see anything useful? I'm just > guessing /hoping here that the disk may not be as badly scrambled as > you fear, despite the apparent oddness of it mounting like that. > > > Though it's an old (pre-XP) article, it's good basics. Note > especially that NTFS keeps a copy somewhere near the middle of the > disk of primary metadata, and that your ls above shows what's listed > there, eg $MFTMirr which presumably points to that metadata 'mirror' > somehow. > Thanks for that. > > > This drive was used for a backup of of the Docs&Sets "folders" of > > the XP drive. It also had music and photo files that are also on > > the FreeBSD computer so they are not that critical. The Docs&Sets > > folders are the most important to recover so if I can access the > > data, I can burn it to DVD. > > Well if you can descend into anything beyond the root directory you > got access to above mounting da1 (read-only hopefully!), you may be > in luck. D&S lives quite deep in the tree on windows (ie under the > per-user level) but you'd have to hunt the path from the root to > there on maybe another windows box. You may or may not have damaged > directories above. There in lies the whole nine yards. I have to get s1 mounted if I want to read anything. It is as if da1 is ntfs but da1s1 is not. > > You've received lots of great advice about tools to use _after_ > you've secured a full backup (for which dd is great), but in this > case I can't help suspecting the best tools to salvage / repair a > winXP NTFS disk are most likely found in windows land, probably > bewilderingly plentiful :) > > Put another way .. FreeBSD's NTFS (native or the fuse ports) may or > may not be up to read/write safely by now for normal use, but I'm not > sure they'd likely be up to what windows chkdsk / scandisk can do in > the way of filesystem repair, let alone some of the better > third-party tools. > As I have stated before, I was able to use photorec and move a hell of a lot of files to a spare slice but it will most likely take weeks or months to sort the wheat from the chaff. I am trying everything that is being suggested. If the process I am doing now ( dd ) does not work I will try Windows chkdsk on the copy I am doing. Thanks Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 19:05:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7D41065674 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:05:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henry.olyer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491988FC15 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6so3928979qwd.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:05:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3m1VswdgKCOkum4rt6rbp39t7a1gz75geYZeW8mO160=; b=oCh8ROznzCAvcnUKA/xtIG/nl9zLnZndag1eLxTAiUxmrCEjX/c6N9zK5Q2zIlH0SN Wyx+r0o0zP9WPhsCCDWnHfRmaiMp6HyySXPsiP2OxqCLOs/92h8DyUtVFDLwPUbZUlCp rATM6Kf50TelwpUO/67FEKzDQbll0ND3/uIL4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=B6rgUkNekA5/nchRrUE2gerQcV0QQ2WIRGZeVUBJOuPTBoSXjfYTvepRRlKuxCa1sp NDlIz4s16xwFpguRBQclkFgxKqRQ4Q/qeFX3WWlYOMqesarnDraDJFTh+/tSDxzNeyD1 W+Bb5nTi7MfTZzqXD8slocQiNp3W/CvmzmjwA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.112.209 with SMTP id x17mr7055572qap.304.1286219103632; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.97.78 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:05:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101004114249.738a80fa@asus64> References: <20101004120028.1860F10657D0@hub.freebsd.org> <20101005020924.H59829@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20101004114249.738a80fa@asus64> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:05:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: Henry Olyer To: Robert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Ian Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:05:05 -0000 And still the wife doesn't suspect? On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Robert wrote: > On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:53:09 +1100 (EST) > Ian Smith wrote: > > Ian > > I am in the process of dd the entire disk to a 1TB disk but I wanted to > respond to you. You have given a lot of good advice and information and > I appreciate it. > > > > > ~> fdisk /dev/da1 > > > > ******* Working on device /dev/da1 ******* > > > > parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: > > > > cylinders=60801 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > > > > > > > Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 > > > > parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: > > > > cylinders=60801 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > > > > > > > Media sector size is 512 > > > > Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 > > > > Information from DOS bootblock is: > > > > The data for partition 1 is: > > > > sysid 7 (0x07),(NTFS, OS/2 HPFS, QNX-2 (16 bit) or Advanced UNIX) > > > > start 63, size 976773105 (476939 Meg), flag 0 > > > > beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; > > > > end: cyl 1023/ head 15/ sector 63 > > > > The data for partition 2 is: > > > > > > > > The data for partition 3 is: > > > > > > > > The data for partition 4 is: > > > > > > > > > > > So pausing here for a bit .. starting at 63 (cyl 0/ head 1/ sector1 > > in CHS terms), looks correct for s1, one slice, whole disk for NTFS. > > That should rule out a damaged MBR in sector 0 - though it doesn't > > rule out the boot code in the first 2 or so sectors having been > > clobbered. > > I have tried earlier to explain what might/could have happened but was > most likely not specific enough. I will try to do better. > > This was the wife's computer. It had Xp Pro on the first slice and > FreeBSD 7.x on the second. Windows started acting strange and then was > rebooting as soon as the desktop rendered. I booted to safe mode and > went back one day in the recover option. Same thing happened, i.e. > reboot after desktop rendered. I again booted in safe mode and went > back two days. Could never get it to boot again even in safe mode. > > I booted into FreeBSD and copied some critical files off of the Windows > slice that she was desperate to have. I put them on a pen drive so she > could then access via her laptop. > > I checked the backup drive and saw that all was fine. I had the D$S > stuff backing up nightly. > > I was able to mount either drive with _ntfs or ntfs-3g. > > No matter what I tried I could not get windows to boot even in safe > mode. I left it running on FreeBSD aver night expecting to have to > reinstall windows in the morning. > > The next day the system had rebooted with the GAG screen up. I ran > memtest for about 6 hours and it showed a couple of faults. I pulled > one of the three 512M memory chips and it seemed to run OK but still > could not boot windows. > > I reinstalled windows and was doing all of the updates when it started > failing to boot. Somewhere in that time the backup (500GB) drive became > invisible to windows. FreeBSD showed only ad6 without the s1 partition. > I used "sade" to look at it and it did not show as ntfs. I marked it as > ntfs thinking that would fix it but it probably caused all of these > problems. > > Whatever is wrong with that computer it now completely messed up. It > will not even power on. I strapped out the power connect pins 3 and 4 > and the PS runs and the voltages check out. > > > > > You can often poke around the beginning of disks to advantage with > > say: # dd if=/dev/da1 bs=512 count=126 | hd | less > > to see the first two tracks .. sector 63 should be where NTFS starts, > > ie after sectors 0-62 on head 0. hd(1) skips repeated zeroes or 0xff > > and such, so you can hunt through quite a lot of early sectors > > without huge output in less, usually. > > > > > > Which looks a lot better. I can mount /dev/da1 and it shows > > > > Just to be clear, you mean: '# mount_ntfs /dev/da1 /mnt' ? > > > > (try to be sure to mount NTFS filesystems _explicitly_ read-only, > > especially if likely damaged) > > > > > > ~> ls -l /mnt > > > > total 70044 > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2560 Dec 31 1600 $AttrDef > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $BadClus > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4194304 Dec 31 1600 $Bitmap > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8192 Oct 1 09:09 $Boot > > > > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Extend > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 67108864 Oct 1 09:09 $LogFile > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4096 Oct 1 09:09 $MFTMirr > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Dec 31 1600 $Secure > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 131072 Oct 1 09:09 $UpCase > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Volume > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 45124 Aug 18 2001 NTDETECT.COM > > > > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 17:29 System Volume > > > > Information > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 193 Oct 1 09:12 boot.ini > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 222368 Aug 18 2001 ntldr > > > > > > > > But I cannot mount /dev/da1s1 > > > > > > > > ~> sudo mount_ntfs /dev/da1s1 /mnt > > > > mount_ntfs: /dev/da1s1: Invalid argument > > > > Ok, and its not clear why/how mount_ntfs would be happy mounting da1 > > 'raw' but it sure looks like (at least part of) an NTFS root > > directory; not necessarily all what you'd see as C:\ in windows > > explorer, say; windows plays strange tricks the way it layers > > directories for display. > > Perhaps explained above? > > > > > There's weird dates (1600?) and only you would know if those October > > 1st timestamps are of when you mounted it, or when windows last > > accessed it? > > > > The fact that boot.ini is a few minutes later than some is > > interesting; that's where entries for multi-booting NT may exist, and > > maybe something messed with that, hardware glitch? or (not entirely > > unknown :) one of a hundred thousand or so viruses? > > > > So, can you look at these files when so mounted? Can you do > > something like 'du -d2 /mnt' and see anything useful? I'm just > > guessing /hoping here that the disk may not be as badly scrambled as > > you fear, despite the apparent oddness of it mounting like that. > > > > > > > Though it's an old (pre-XP) article, it's good basics. Note > > especially that NTFS keeps a copy somewhere near the middle of the > > disk of primary metadata, and that your ls above shows what's listed > > there, eg $MFTMirr which presumably points to that metadata 'mirror' > > somehow. > > > > Thanks for that. > > > > > > This drive was used for a backup of of the Docs&Sets "folders" of > > > the XP drive. It also had music and photo files that are also on > > > the FreeBSD computer so they are not that critical. The Docs&Sets > > > folders are the most important to recover so if I can access the > > > data, I can burn it to DVD. > > > > Well if you can descend into anything beyond the root directory you > > got access to above mounting da1 (read-only hopefully!), you may be > > in luck. D&S lives quite deep in the tree on windows (ie under the > > per-user level) but you'd have to hunt the path from the root to > > there on maybe another windows box. You may or may not have damaged > > directories above. > > There in lies the whole nine yards. I have to get s1 mounted if I want > to read anything. It is as if da1 is ntfs but da1s1 is not. > > > > You've received lots of great advice about tools to use _after_ > > you've secured a full backup (for which dd is great), but in this > > case I can't help suspecting the best tools to salvage / repair a > > winXP NTFS disk are most likely found in windows land, probably > > bewilderingly plentiful :) > > > > Put another way .. FreeBSD's NTFS (native or the fuse ports) may or > > may not be up to read/write safely by now for normal use, but I'm not > > sure they'd likely be up to what windows chkdsk / scandisk can do in > > the way of filesystem repair, let alone some of the better > > third-party tools. > > > > As I have stated before, I was able to use photorec and move a hell of > a lot of files to a spare slice but it will most likely take weeks or > months to sort the wheat from the chaff. I am trying everything that is > being suggested. If the process I am doing now ( dd ) does not work I > will try Windows chkdsk on the copy I am doing. > > Thanks > > Robert > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 19:35:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC26B106566B for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:35:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nekoexmachina@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9E08FC1C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so2602442ewy.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:35:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=gNPaH7WK/t9sI9sPZW3IvSoMxlOgS0QLIi3Y4Ojdzvw=; b=hExZGrJLubRXlPpIYHZzThr4S99RhUlbMo7DCdzPxtQ7eyyaN6N9oAP94tgICiCNwQ O2M43gJcJ93EGlO1bEhWduA7foT+tAXd+BseyOxc0wXB0vSGSyyiqv4lCz3GlDvi7S0y VEzNiNKT6FWrB7MYHY9WNnc4sGpiIzFY8dFlk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; b=rWfvsed7SMX4fkKqjYvgM/7UICNwJZx4Iv/tJ1IE4maNlWB+ihpKfGh1YCv3L6ID7v 3mjmytyLlbQta+2GDsCuydyUtcPcPlTOThjsGqYVthI5rR1zgzt1ZKQmBq3hFqErJwFk nHgDyJCnyJ6mL6pHB5ryg5Q9AfUk5l1psXNtU= Received: by 10.213.112.207 with SMTP id x15mr100512ebp.67.1286220942994; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([188.134.12.208]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u9sm7761737eeh.17.2010.10.04.12.35.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:33:02 +0000 From: Mikle Krutov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:35:44 -0000 Hello, list! I'm going to buy a netbook soon, so a question is which one. The choice is between 1) Samsung N127 2) ASUS Eee PC 900AX 3) MSI U120-094 Which one is the best for running FreeBSD? "The best" mainly is for opensource (e.g. not ndis) & stable wireless drivers. So, any good experience and suggestions? Thank you for your time! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 19:45:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50645106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155E18FC16 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn34 with SMTP id 34so414651iwn.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:45:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gEKaheCwgCAhvxQTLjHp9SsFdpxlSe4GcG2YQ8lvimk=; b=foI5RqT7itfcI3Zr/SPkNtlvPN/Zp9gbG1TNEKnPOhe0xfWC/0FCi4TBdABxxuXIRc 6iYSFfPnQPNwAfF/w5GueiVf0l7Z7BLl+HceA5TPyTVJI9xy2wzZhrEg+i7Sf7ixDK4S PGC2pFW2H9P2yD0H5Ck08+nUnIGAfDJe1Mw4Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=q/+hxf2ZiqmTBEnyMjh2fj/Zsjgo3sLUaDZy4/6tuU/RBbF/5KbgQdngjCQp9D3l+9 Qq+kl0tqfhhhRbXX3yHt0GyoNSn0BIQMyhTyDmRAPFeOHiwJeCaQdidHkbMWnMkPpgD0 kMiZXEN1IpylWD42xgxzMSQgRS1KmWRZ+NRVE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.152.143 with SMTP id g15mr10600559ibw.76.1286221524269; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.185.22 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:45:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101002052522.GA62385@Jason-Helfmans-MacBook-Pro.local> References: <20101002052522.GA62385@Jason-Helfmans-MacBook-Pro.local> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:45:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Freebsd-update not working for me X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:45:25 -0000 On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 22:25, Jason wrote: > On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 04:45:46PM -0700, Kurt Buff thus spake: >> >> Weird little problem here... >> >> I've got a 7.1-RELEASE box I'm trying to get to 8.1-RELEASE. I was >> able to do 'freebsd-update -install' and get the security patches and >> all, but 'freebsd-update -r =C2=A08.1-RELEASE upgrade' fails - see outpu= t >> below. Can anyone point me in the right direction to start >> troubleshooting this? I don't see anything in /var/log/messages. > > You may want to see how many files you have downloaded under > /var/db/freebsd-update. The patches were applied. It appears it was only = an > issue of getting more files. As the program is running you can do an ls > under /var/db/freebsd-update to see how many files are being downloaded. > > Have you tried running the command again? > -jgh Ran the command again, and it failed again, dang it. After running it again this morning, issuing 'll /var/db/freebsd-update/files | wc -l' yields 43625 files - only 9 of them were dated today. Issuing 'wc -l /var/db/freebsd-update/files.wanted' yields '36196 /var/db/freebsd-update/files.wanted' Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 19:47:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685D21065670 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:47:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07918FC13 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id E4D70471868 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:47:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713D43865B4 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:47:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:47:23 +0200 Message-Id: <201010042147.AA730792074@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Len Conrad" X-Sender: To: X-Mailer: Subject: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lconrad@Go2France.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:47:30 -0000 installed: Python 2.7 (r27:82500, Sep 30 2010, 16:50:36) cd /usr/ports/www/py-django11 fails: ========================================================================== WARNING: The C extension could not be compiled, speedups are not enabled. Plain-Python installation succeeded. ========================================================================== ===> Installing for py27-MarkupSafe-0.11 ===> py27-MarkupSafe-0.11 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/easy_install-2.7 - found ===> py27-MarkupSafe-0.11 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/python2.7 - found ===> Generating temporary packing list ===> Checking if textproc/py-MarkupSafe already installed running easy_install error: Not a URL, existing file, or requirement spec: '/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/dist/MarkupSafe-0.11-py2.7-freebsd-8.1-RELEASE-i386.egg' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/py-sphinx. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/py-django11. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/py-django11. Seems like the path is wrong above compared to the ports tree: mx1# find /usr/ports/ -iname "*markupsafe*" | less /usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2/work/Jinja2-2.5.2/jinja2/_markupsafe /usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2/work/Jinja2-2.5.2/build/lib/jinja2/_markupsafe /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11 /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/markupsafe /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/MarkupSafe.egg-info /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/lib.freebsd-8.1-RELEASE-i386/markupsafe /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/temp.freebsd-8.1-RELEASE-i386-2.7/markupsafe /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/build/lib/markupsafe /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/dist/MarkupSafe-0.11-py2.7.egg /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/.extract_done.MarkupSafe._usr_local /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/.patch_done.MarkupSafe._usr_local /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/.configure_done.MarkupSafe._usr_local /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/.build_done.MarkupSafe._usr_local /usr/ports/distfiles/MarkupSafe-0.11.tar.gz =============================== the tkinter fails, too (I'm trying to work thru thinkpython.pdf) cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-tkinter ===> Returning to build of libX11-1.3.3_1,1 ===> libX11-1.3.3_1,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/autoconf-2.67 - found ===> libX11-1.3.3_1,1 depends on package: libtool>=2.2 - found ===> libX11-1.3.3_1,1 depends on executable: pkg-config - found ===> Configuring for libX11-1.3.3_1,1 configure.ac:5: warning: AC_INIT: not a literal: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=xorg configure.ac:5: warning: AC_INIT: not a literal: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=xorg configure.ac:5: warning: AC_INIT: not a literal: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=xorg configure:14185: error: possibly undefined macro: AS_MESSAGE_LOG_FDdnl If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/libX11. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/tk85. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/tk85. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-tkinter. Thanks Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 19:49:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A19106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:49:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8452B8FC13 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 8BBA747186A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:50:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4863865BB for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:50:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:49:52 +0200 Message-Id: <201010042149.AA731512970@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Len Conrad" X-Sender: To: X-Mailer: Subject: Problems installing django and py-tkinter X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lconrad@Go2France.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:49:59 -0000 webmail ate my subject ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Len Conrad" Reply-To: lconrad@Go2France.com Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:47:23 +0200 >installed: > >Python 2.7 (r27:82500, Sep 30 2010, 16:50:36) > > >cd /usr/ports/www/py-django11 > >fails: > > >========================================================================== >WARNING: The C extension could not be compiled, speedups are not enabled. >Plain-Python installation succeeded. >========================================================================== >===> Installing for py27-MarkupSafe-0.11 >===> py27-MarkupSafe-0.11 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/easy_install-2.7 - found >===> py27-MarkupSafe-0.11 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/python2.7 - found >===> Generating temporary packing list >===> Checking if textproc/py-MarkupSafe already installed >running easy_install >error: Not a URL, existing file, or requirement spec: '/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/dist/MarkupSafe-0.11-py2.7-freebsd-8.1-RELEASE-i386.egg' >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/py-sphinx. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/ports/www/py-django11. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/ports/www/py-django11. > >Seems like the path is wrong above compared to the ports tree: > >mx1# find /usr/ports/ -iname "*markupsafe*" | less >/usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2/work/Jinja2-2.5.2/jinja2/_markupsafe >/usr/ports/devel/py-Jinja2/work/Jinja2-2.5.2/build/lib/jinja2/_markupsafe >/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe >/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11 >/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/markupsafe >/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/MarkupSafe.egg-info >/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/lib.freebsd-8.1-RELEASE-i386/markupsafe >/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/temp.freebsd-8.1-RELEASE-i386-2.7/markupsafe >/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/build/lib/markupsafe >/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/MarkupSafe-0.11/dist/MarkupSafe-0.11-py2.7.egg >/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/.extract_done.MarkupSafe._usr_local >/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/.patch_done.MarkupSafe._usr_local >/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/.configure_done.MarkupSafe._usr_local >/usr/ports/textproc/py-MarkupSafe/work/.build_done.MarkupSafe._usr_local >/usr/ports/distfiles/MarkupSafe-0.11.tar.gz > > > >=============================== > >the tkinter fails, too (I'm trying to work thru thinkpython.pdf) > > >cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-tkinter > > >===> Returning to build of libX11-1.3.3_1,1 >===> libX11-1.3.3_1,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/autoconf-2.67 - found >===> libX11-1.3.3_1,1 depends on package: libtool>=2.2 - found >===> libX11-1.3.3_1,1 depends on executable: pkg-config - found >===> Configuring for libX11-1.3.3_1,1 >configure.ac:5: warning: AC_INIT: not a literal: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=xorg >configure.ac:5: warning: AC_INIT: not a literal: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=xorg >configure.ac:5: warning: AC_INIT: not a literal: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=xorg >configure:14185: error: possibly undefined macro: AS_MESSAGE_LOG_FDdnl > If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. > See the Autoconf documentation. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/ports/x11/libX11. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/tk85. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/tk85. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-tkinter. > > >Thanks >Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 20:03:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065BB106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:03:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (x.it.okstate.edu [139.78.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01E08FC17 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by x.it.okstate.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o94JUqDX014644 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:31:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <201010041931.o94JUqDX014644@x.it.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14642.1286220652.1@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 14:30:52 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: 64-bit PGP isn't Decrypting. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:03:59 -0000 There are two new FreeBSD8.1 systems. Both got pgp added to them by use of pkg_add -r pgp. Both adds installed Pretty Good Privacy(tm) 2.6.3ia - Public-key encryption for the masses. (c) 1990-96 Philip Zimmermann, Phil's Pretty Good Software. 1996-03-04 International version - not for use in the USA. Does not use RSAREF. A test file that had been encrypted earlier was used on both systems. It works fine on the 32-bit system and always fails on the 64-bit system. Trust me. As many times as I tried it, I couldn't possibly be mistyping the pass phrase every time on the 64-bit system and then getting it right on the 32-bit system. On the 64-bit system, one can not seem to encrypt a file and then decrypt it with the pass phrase. If you take the encrypted file from the 64-bit system and try to decrypt on the 32-bit system, that fails so something appears wrong with the numerical encryption process that is peculiar to being 64 bits. I am thinking some of the cipher routines may be relying on the width of certain expressions that change if running in 64-bit mode. So far, files encrypted on the 64-bit system are ultrasecure in that they can'ts seem to be read anywhere.:-) Has anybody else had the same problem on a 64-bit version of pgp? I am glad I discovered this before anything crytical happened. Martin McCormick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 20:07:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1B81065674 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:07:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kingedgar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCF08FC31 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so7248701wwb.31 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 13:07:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QvCrNjYcWelwt2B/0aLT1AxR5Vq2fSDE9ZhbWOCxyGM=; b=i5RI/Tu8sVYMZSM3cJbRJbfzXmWGSjDIO3R7Hy7yB9KalW6NBiSWoj7lpF04teenju gisvQP0drxlRXVRnoOqDN4kVCh8m7dEcT/XeFpMI4dblD03RgJjfQljzCBsh++cN4qXc E8XeCu+AIm7thTt7RDn+bC9+rPOorE9W2R4PA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=P8oSUbSFs/uqSVrf1EPDBMxLMljDg9cK36ERV3URiMXmfmTAnhHaGyU+Yt+k6vGXnc xJ9BQ0KIhqj/zjGLJGDQdjKQMlBd43swDCvjFZI3lSS5WAMpUJtnt6hzK700UaOMvCWq zpumaeXT7NYXavxaZ9DZgDgUe/enWv562r7Pw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.62.10 with SMTP id x10mr4520010wec.57.1286221333263; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.174.144 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:42:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:42:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jason Garrett To: Mikle Krutov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:07:45 -0000 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 18:33, Mikle Krutov wrote: > Hello, list! > I'm going to buy a netbook soon, so a question is which one. > The choice is between > 1) Samsung N127 > 2) ASUS Eee PC 900AX > 3) MSI U120-094 > Which one is the best for running FreeBSD? > "The best" mainly is for opensource (e.g. not ndis) & stable wireless drivers. > You won't find much support for "N" based wireless cards in FreeBSD. So, any good experience and suggestions? > I would save my money to buy something that FreeBSD runs nice on... just my 2 cents... Thank you for your time! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 20:15:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6691C1065675 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:15:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E908FC16 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [109.85.218.28] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de.) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P2rRI-00034J-1R; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:15:13 +0200 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de. (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de. (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o94KFXuc001290; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:15:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Resent-From: guru@unixarea.de Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de. (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o94KFWNw001289; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:15:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de.: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:15:32 +0200 Resent-Message-ID: <20101004201532.GA1283@tiny> Resent-To: Mikle Krutov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:50:12 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Mikle Krutov Message-ID: <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 109.85.218.28 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:15:15 -0000 El día Monday, October 04, 2010 a las 11:33:02PM +0000, Mikle Krutov escribió: > Hello, list! > I'm going to buy a netbook soon, so a question is which one. > The choice is between > 1) Samsung N127 > 2) ASUS Eee PC 900AX > 3) MSI U120-094 > Which one is the best for running FreeBSD? > "The best" mainly is for opensource (e.g. not ndis) & stable wireless > drivers. > So, any good experience and suggestions? > Thank you for your time! I have no idea about which would be the best one, but I'm using right now (in the moment of typing) an EeePC 900, details here: http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC-8CURRENT.txt and this is just fine; HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 21:11:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8FD106566B for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:11:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.piggybox@virgin.net) Received: from queueout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (queueout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD798FC15 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20101004204528.UYYE3192.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net>; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:45:28 +0100 Received: from [81.105.212.161] (helo=ideapad.piggybox) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P2ruZ-0006tI-Bg; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:45:27 +0100 Received: from ideapad.piggybox (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ideapad.piggybox (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o94KiYfM001553; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:44:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from peter@ideapad.piggybox) Received: (from peter@localhost) by ideapad.piggybox (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o94KiYLh001552; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:44:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:44:34 +0100 From: Peter Harrison To: Eitan Adler Message-ID: <20101004204434.GA1436@ideapad.piggybox> Mail-Followup-To: Eitan Adler , four.harrisons@googlemail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4ca78fe8.8575df0a.0fdd.3721@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3ENABmdyEd/Fm7fR7+mZIuMDn6+IErAeEhlfWBImZFk= c=1 sm=0 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=UuaqENmhjvCMlOdNVIsA:9 a=JMG3CGb_0FCI-TXgQ9wA:7 a=XQpEIuh0v9jy0D-rzQK_9k4pHBkA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Cc: four.harrisons@googlemail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI & battery issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:11:22 -0000 Saturday, 2 October 2010 at 17:01:41 -0400, Eitan Adler said: > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:01 PM, wrote: > > I get the same messages with the stock acpi on a Lenovo S10e. Someone on the acpi list (who's name I forget) wrote a patch which removes the error. If you think it might help I'll root it out and forward it on. > > > I'll be happy to take a look at the patch and see if it solves my > problem. does the patch just remove the error message or solve a > specific problem that might be causing the issue? Eitan, I've attached the patch - this came from David Naylor on the ACPI list. If I understand what he told me at the time, it doesn't fix the problem entirely - but I can't pretend I understand ACPI. I know it means that on my S10e I no longer get spammed with ACPI errors - and that my battery status and shutdown work properly. The patch applies to /usr/src/sys/dev/acpica/acpi_ec.c It needs some new entries in /boot/loader.conf to adjust the timeouts and delays - which you can tinker with. The settings given are what works for me - but search the acpi list archives for David's original email: debug.acpi.ec.delay="200" debug.acpi.ec.gpe="1" debug.acpi.ec.timeout="100" Hope it helps, Peter Harrison. > > > > > > > ... > > I see > > ACPI Exception: AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE, Returned by Handler for > > [EmbeddedControl] (20100331/evregion-588) > > ACPI Error (psparse-0633): Method parse/execution failed > > [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.BAT1._BST] (Node 0xc6adba60), > > AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE > > > > repeatedly in dmesg > > > > sysctl's relating to battery information is also slow: > > % time sysctl hw.acpi.battery.state > > hw.acpi.battery.state: 7 > > sysctl hw.acpi.battery.state  0.00s user 2.18s system 72% cpu 3.006 total > > > > % time sysctl hw.acpi.battery > > hw.acpi.battery.life: -1 > > hw.acpi.battery.time: -1 > > hw.acpi.battery.state: 7 > > hw.acpi.battery.units: 1 > > hw.acpi.battery.info_expire: 5 > > sysctl hw.acpi.battery  0.00s user 6.58s system 67% cpu 9.779 total > > > > also note that the life and time are both negative one. > > > > This is on a Lenovo G530 laptop. > -- > Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 21:20:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D18B1065674 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mpope@teksavvy.com) Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFBB8FC08 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:20:54 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoUDAKLhqUzO+KvQ/2dsb2JhbAAHoSvHcYVHBJII X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,280,1283745600"; d="scan'208";a="78024733" Received: from 206-248-171-208.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO [192.168.111.150]) ([206.248.171.208]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 04 Oct 2010 17:20:53 -0400 Message-ID: <4CAA4542.8060005@teksavvy.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:21:06 -0400 From: Matthew User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CyberLeo Kitsana References: <4CA61FE5.9050306@teksavvy.com> <4CA6419C.3050109@cyberleo.net> In-Reply-To: <4CA6419C.3050109@cyberleo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BIND: could not configure root hints from 'named.root': file not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:20:55 -0000 CyberLeo Kitsana, Thank you so much for the history and evolution on Bind expected directory structures. It enabled me to jump through that tough spot. Thanks again, Matthew > On 10/01/2010 12:52 PM, Matthew wrote: > >> I would be grateful for any pointers on how to resolve this. I suspect >> the error message may not be exactly descriptive of whats happening. >> > Kinda. > > Here's a few points to keep in mind when working with bind in FreeBSD: > > * By default, named runs in a chroot jail rooted at /var/named/. > > * For security reasons, named cannot write to anything in that tree, > except the dynamic, slave, and working directories. > > * named uses its current working directory to resolve relative pathnames > in the configuration file. > > * With a recent change to ISC Bind 9, named started complaining if it > couldn't write to its current working directory. At the time, this was > (chroot)/etc/namedb/; this was subsequently changed to > (chroot)/etc/namedb/working/ to make named happy without compromising > security. > > When the working directory for named was (chroot)/etc/namedb/, > everything was peachy. Since this was changed, relative pathnames no > longer work as expected because the reference point is different. The > easiest solution is to alter your configuration file to include only > absolute pathnames, relative to the root of the jail. > > The default named config file (in /var/named/etc/namedb/named.conf) is > an excellent source of examples for this. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 21:21:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4AE1065670 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mpope@teksavvy.com) Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767858FC1A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:21:57 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoUDAKLhqUzO+KvQ/2dsb2JhbAAHoSvHcYVHBIlSiDY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,280,1283745600"; d="scan'208";a="78024900" Received: from 206-248-171-208.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO [192.168.111.150]) ([206.248.171.208]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 04 Oct 2010 17:21:56 -0400 Message-ID: <4CAA4581.1050804@teksavvy.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:22:09 -0400 From: Matthew User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krad References: <4CA61FE5.9050306@teksavvy.com> <4CA6419C.3050109@cyberleo.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: CyberLeo Kitsana , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BIND: could not configure root hints from 'named.root': file not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:21:57 -0000 Krad, Thank you for the tip. I've changed the "." to the correct value. Matthew > On 1 October 2010 21:16, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: > > >> On 10/01/2010 12:52 PM, Matthew wrote: >> >>> I would be grateful for any pointers on how to resolve this. I suspect >>> the error message may not be exactly descriptive of whats happening. >>> >> Kinda. >> >> Here's a few points to keep in mind when working with bind in FreeBSD: >> >> * By default, named runs in a chroot jail rooted at /var/named/. >> >> * For security reasons, named cannot write to anything in that tree, >> except the dynamic, slave, and working directories. >> >> * named uses its current working directory to resolve relative pathnames >> in the configuration file. >> >> * With a recent change to ISC Bind 9, named started complaining if it >> couldn't write to its current working directory. At the time, this was >> (chroot)/etc/namedb/; this was subsequently changed to >> (chroot)/etc/namedb/working/ to make named happy without compromising >> security. >> >> When the working directory for named was (chroot)/etc/namedb/, >> everything was peachy. Since this was changed, relative pathnames no >> longer work as expected because the reference point is different. The >> easiest solution is to alter your configuration file to include only >> absolute pathnames, relative to the root of the jail. >> >> The default named config file (in /var/named/etc/namedb/named.conf) is >> an excellent source of examples for this. >> >> -- >> Fuzzy love, >> -CyberLeo >> Technical Administrator >> CyberLeo.Net Webhosting >> http://www.CyberLeo.Net >> >> >> Furry Peace! - http://wwww.fur.com/peace/ >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > Hmm, > > > options { > directory "."; > > that doesnt look ideal. Not sure if you are meaning to do that but put an > explicit direcorty in eg /etc/namedb. Otherwise it will be looking in > whatever current directory you are in at that time. The main named.conf will > be found as its supplied via a cli switch by the rc script. However all > subsequent files will come from the current dir > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 21:33:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7F8106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:33:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from mx04.dls.net (mx04.dls.net [216.145.245.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA4A8FC27 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.145.235.31] (helo=emailrob.com) by mx04.dls.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P2s3l-00039B-Jn; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:54:58 -0500 Message-ID: <4CAA3030.3090001@emailrob.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:51:12 +0100 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd_questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:33:08 -0000 howdy, y'all --- these may be stupid questions and, if so, i am prepared to slap my forehead with the palm of my hand. i recently acquired my first batch of intel cpus with 64_bit integer registers [ celeron 440 ], specifically for the 16 registers and the potential for a truly_gargantuan datasize. intel has called this many things, currently "intel 64 architecture". to me, this is just a bigger, faster "386", just like my "486" and several flavors of "pentium" [ now, all retired ]. i have never owned an amd cpu. this may be the source of my confusion. what prompted my recent searches was the observation, while working on my "killer_app", in , as i recall, that the size of an "intptr" is 32_bits. [ i am aware of the gcc "double_integer" implementation of "64_bit" data_integers. that is not the issue; i want big memory. ] i want my app to exist in two sizes, small [ 8_, 16_ and 32_bit integers and 32_bit pointers ] and large [ 8_, 16_, 32_ and 64_bit integers and 48_bit pointers ], the choice between the two being made by my users, according to their needs. my objective is to produce both versions, simultaneously. so, i have been looking at many pages, mostly at freebsd.org [ http and ftp ] and gcc.gnu.org, as well as some others [ release notes, in particular ]. the last question is the big one. consider a dvd_image [ to pick an approach ] of a release to be found on ftp.freebsd.org. q: if the release_name includes the string "i386", am i restricted to 8 32_bit registers and 32_bit pointers, notwithstanding its installation on an intel_64 platform ? next, from what i have been reading, those releases whose names contain "amd64" not only are for amd cpus, but, also, are for the intel_64 variant [ no doubt, probing the cpu for its feature_set ]. q: if i install an "amd64" version on an "intel_64" platform, am i restricted to 16 64_bit registers and 48_bit pointers or can i compile for both cpu_models [ perhaps, with nothing more complicated than a compiler option ] ? please cc. in advance, thanks big_time. rob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 21:37:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0507C1065672 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:37:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9721C8FC0A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyx24 with SMTP id 24so2736046eyx.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 14:37:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.113.209 with SMTP id b17mr323749ebq.39.1286228232219; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 14:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.29.76 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:37:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [69.91.158.98] In-Reply-To: <4CAA3030.3090001@emailrob.com> References: <4CAA3030.3090001@emailrob.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:37:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: spellberg_robert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: fbsd_questions Subject: Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:37:14 -0000 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:51 PM, spellberg_robert w= rote: > =A0q: =A0 =A0if i install an "amd64" version on an "intel_64" platform, > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0am i restricted to 16 64_bit registers and 48_bit poin= ters or > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0can i compile for both cpu_models > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0[ perhaps, with nothing more complicated than a compil= er option ] ? Take a look at gcc's -m32 and -m64 options. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 21:45:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39193106566C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from mx04.dls.net (mx04.dls.net [216.145.245.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FA58FC17 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.145.235.31] (helo=emailrob.com) by mx04.dls.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P2sr1-0005Ym-L3; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: <4CAA3CFE.1060609@emailrob.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:45:50 +0100 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Brodbeck , fbsd_questions References: <4CAA3030.3090001@emailrob.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:45:53 -0000 hmmm ..., you did not answer the question that i asked. per your statement, on i386, amd64 or both ? David Brodbeck wrote: > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:51 PM, spellberg_robert wrote: > >> q: if i install an "amd64" version on an "intel_64" platform, >> am i restricted to 16 64_bit registers and 48_bit pointers or >> can i compile for both cpu_models >> [ perhaps, with nothing more complicated than a compiler option ] ? > > > Take a look at gcc's -m32 and -m64 options. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 22:00:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC70106566B for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:00:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mpope@teksavvy.com) Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D490B8FC12 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:00:00 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgQEAD/rqUzO+KvQ/2dsb2JhbAAHlC2MfsdyhUcEkgg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,280,1283745600"; d="scan'208,217";a="78027892" Received: from 206-248-171-208.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO [192.168.111.150]) ([206.248.171.208]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 04 Oct 2010 17:59:59 -0400 Message-ID: <4CAA4E6D.2090302@teksavvy.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:00:13 -0400 From: Matthew User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: JAILS in FreeBSD manual - Minor ambiguity between 15.6.1.3 Creating Jails & 15.6.1.4 Upgrading X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:00:02 -0000 Hello, "15.6.1.4 Upgrading" in the FreeBSD manual provides a great step, by step way to safely update jails. I've just installed apache in the host system, and now I wish to propagate it to the system wide jail skeleton, and www jail. But given my limited experience with jails, I am perplexed to read in the 2nd last sentence of this section: "Do not forget to run mergemaster in each jail". The instruction doesn't say between which steps (which one between 1 through 6) to run mergemaster, and I'm left guessing as I'm still coming up to speed on jail configuration and maintenance. Carefully reading *15.6.1.2 "Creating the Template"* it says that mergemaster is run in: Step 4 - Use Mergemaster to install missing configuration files... This follows: Step 1 - Create a read-only directory structure for the read-only file system...(make installworld) Step 2 - Prepare FreeBSD ports collection for the jails... Step 3 - Create a skeleton for the read-write portion... However *15.6.1.4 Upgrading* shares only step 1 (make installworld), but steps 2 through 6 are quite different. I am left wondering between which steps in 15.6.1.4 Upgrading that I am to run mergemaster on each jail. I would be very happy to get a tip. Thank you, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 22:22:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC161065679 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:22:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email1.allantgroup.com (email1.emsphone.com [199.67.51.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C857C8FC1D for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email1.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id o94MMite040368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:22:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o94MMidE075996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:22:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o94MMi8I075995; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:22:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:22:44 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Martin McCormick Message-ID: <20101004222244.GJ40148@dan.emsphone.com> References: <201010041931.o94JUqDX014644@x.it.okstate.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201010041931.o94JUqDX014644@x.it.okstate.edu> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96 at email1.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email1.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:22:50 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 64-bit PGP isn't Decrypting. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:22:55 -0000 In the last episode (Oct 04), Martin McCormick said: > There are two new FreeBSD8.1 systems. Both got pgp added to them by use of > pkg_add -r pgp. Both adds installed > > Pretty Good Privacy(tm) 2.6.3ia - Public-key encryption for the masses. > (c) 1990-96 Philip Zimmermann, Phil's Pretty Good Software. 1996-03-04 > International version - not for use in the USA. Does not use RSAREF. > > A test file that had been encrypted earlier was used on both systems. It > works fine on the 32-bit system and always fails on the 64-bit system. > Trust me. As many times as I tried it, I couldn't possibly be mistyping > the pass phrase every time on the 64-bit system and then getting it right > on the 32-bit system. Does gnupg (ports/security/gnupg) work? I think you'll have a hard time trying to get people to fix bugs in pgp; the source tree that the pgp port uses is 14 years old. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 22:26:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934231065674 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:26:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4789E8FC08 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.128.143.51]) by hrndva-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20101004221615712.KZBR23474@hrndva-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:16:15 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=exbvkCqEOBXDkHq+8n3wanotOBQtbe7qbIajSD+JluU= c=1 sm=0 a=m9FtgIC1QqoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=02fl1sNAWVw4WL3Wmu4WJA==:17 a=2hVLh0RPWsobCKAgFAEA:9 a=Cn8TbDA1F59TroIfZ2RKD83aDD0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=02fl1sNAWVw4WL3Wmu4WJA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.87.219.217 Received: from [75.87.219.217] ([75.87.219.217:50805] helo=haran.polands.org) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 92/03-07458-1F15AAC4; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:15:14 +0000 Received: from ararat.polands.org (ararat.polands.org [172.16.1.20]) by haran.polands.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o94MF6Ke069667 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:15:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from ararat.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ararat.polands.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o94MF6cY020633 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:15:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp@ararat.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by ararat.polands.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o94MF6ES020632 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:15:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:15:06 -0500 From: Doug Poland To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101004221506.GA8662@polands.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: OT: Apache as reverse SSL proxy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:26:27 -0000 Hello, I realize this is not a specific FreeBSD question, but a lot of knowledgeable apache admins hang around here. I am tasked with creating a reverse SSL proxy in a DMZ. A reverse proxy for http is simple, but I'm finding it challenging understanding all that needs to take place for apache 2.2.x to act as a reverse. I've done an extensive amount of googling and reading mod_proxy and mod_ssl docs, but to no avail. Can someone point me to some docs or configs? TIA! -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 22:38:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15894106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:38:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C0C8FC15 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so2759548ewy.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:38:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.33.194 with SMTP id i2mr409556ebd.10.1286231896456; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.29.76 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:38:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [69.91.158.98] In-Reply-To: <4CAA3CFE.1060609@emailrob.com> References: <4CAA3030.3090001@emailrob.com> <4CAA3CFE.1060609@emailrob.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:38:16 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: spellberg_robert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: fbsd_questions Subject: Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:38:18 -0000 On a 64-bit system, if you build a binary with the -m32 flag, it should run on both i386 and x86-64 systems. A binary built with -m64 will only run on x86-64. Does that help? On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:45 PM, spellberg_robert wr= ote: > hmmm ..., you did not answer the question that i asked. > > per your statement, on i386, amd64 or both ? > > > > David Brodbeck wrote: >> >> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:51 PM, spellberg_robert >> wrote: >> >>> q: =A0 =A0if i install an "amd64" version on an "intel_64" platform, >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0am i restricted to 16 64_bit registers and 48_bit pointe= rs or >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0can i compile for both cpu_models >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0[ perhaps, with nothing more complicated than a compiler= option ] >>> ? >> >> >> Take a look at gcc's -m32 and -m64 options. >> > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 22:51:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4415F106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:51:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45258FC15 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P2tsq-0005aW-Q9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:51:48 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:51:48 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:51:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:55:45 -0400 Lines: 59 Message-ID: References: <4CAA3030.3090001@emailrob.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:51:52 -0000 spellberg_robert wrote: [snip] > consider a dvd_image [ to pick an approach ] of a release to be found on > ftp.freebsd.org. > > q: if the release_name includes the string "i386", > am i restricted to 8 32_bit registers and 32_bit pointers, > notwithstanding its installation on an intel_64 platform ? I am certainly not an expert, and if I am interpreting the question correctly I believe the answer here would be yes. x86 processors of today can run either 32 bit or 64 bit OS. For example, you could install a 32 bit Windows XP and it would run as 32 bit even thought the processor has 64 bit capability. The restriction you are asking about here would be as a result of using a 32 bit OS and not because of processor capabilities. > > next, from what i have been reading, > those releases whose names contain "amd64" not only are for amd cpus, > but, also, are for the intel_64 variant [ no doubt, probing the cpu for > its feature_set ]. > > q: if i install an "amd64" version on an "intel_64" platform, > am i restricted to 16 64_bit registers and 48_bit pointers or > can i compile for both cpu_models > [ perhaps, with nothing more complicated than a compiler option > [ ] ? > The "amd64" stuck primarily because the 64 bit extensions were initially pioneered by AMD, and subsequently copied by Intel. Generally speaking, for the most part it is possible to run 32 bit binaries on a 64 bit OS installed to 64 bit x86 CPU hardware. Another Windows example: Let's say you have 64 bit version of Windows installed. It can run 32 bit apps using "WoW", or Windows on Windows. amd64 processor can execute either 32 bit or 64 bit simultaneously providing there are libraries contained within the OS to facilitate this. You just wouldn't really want to do this because it is slow. I do not know enough about this as I have never had a need, but I think similar facilities exist in FreeBSD. You can install amd64 to a 64 bit CPU and still execute 32 bit software using a 32 compatibility library set. Look at the GENERIC kernel config file for amd64 and you will see a line like this: options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Compatible with i386 binaries You need to have the 32 bit library set built and installed. Investigate this particular subject for further (and better) explanation. It isn't so much a matter of compiling an app for both models as it is where they will run. You cannot compile an app as 64 bit and run it on an i386 OS install, whether or not the CPU is 64 bit. But with the help of 32 bit compatibility libs you _can_ run a 32 bit binary on a 64 bit OS installed to a 64 bit processor. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 22:58:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47496106566C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:58:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email1.allantgroup.com (email1.emsphone.com [199.67.51.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013B78FC14 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email1.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id o94MvwQT044080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:57:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o94Mvwgu069977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:57:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o94Mvvba069976; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:57:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:57:57 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: David Brodbeck Message-ID: <20101004225757.GK40148@dan.emsphone.com> References: <4CAA3030.3090001@emailrob.com> <4CAA3CFE.1060609@emailrob.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96 at email1.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email1.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:57:59 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: fbsd_questions , spellberg_robert Subject: Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:58:00 -0000 In the last episode (Oct 04), David Brodbeck said: > On a 64-bit system, if you build a binary with the -m32 flag, it > should run on both i386 and x86-64 systems. A binary built with -m64 > will only run on x86-64. Does that help? Actually, -m32 on amd64 won't generate usable binaries, since /usr/include/machine/* are all amd64 headers and you end up with things like struct FILE with wrong-size elements. There was a thread a few weeks ago discussing this. If you need to generate 32-bit executables, you'll need to do it inside an all-32-bit chroot or a virtual machine. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 23:18:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F351065694 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:18:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from mx01.dls.net (mx01.dls.net [216.145.245.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D818FC1D for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.145.235.31] (helo=emailrob.com) by mx01.dls.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P2uIh-0001XM-90; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:18:32 -0500 Message-ID: <4CAA52B6.1020707@emailrob.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:18:30 +0100 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson , fbsd_questions References: <4CAA3030.3090001@emailrob.com> <4CAA3CFE.1060609@emailrob.com> <20101004225757.GK40148@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:18:34 -0000 aha ! this relates to what i found in , on my existing i386 version of freebsd on my intel_64 hardware platform. i will look into the "questions" archive. meanwhile, back at the ranch, does this mean that i need the "amd64" version of freebsd to get the right headers ? Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Oct 04), David Brodbeck said: > >>On a 64-bit system, if you build a binary with the -m32 flag, it >>should run on both i386 and x86-64 systems. A binary built with -m64 >>will only run on x86-64. Does that help? > > > Actually, -m32 on amd64 won't generate usable binaries, since > /usr/include/machine/* are all amd64 headers and you end up with things like > struct FILE with wrong-size elements. There was a thread a few weeks ago > discussing this. If you need to generate 32-bit executables, you'll need to > do it inside an all-32-bit chroot or a virtual machine. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 23:44:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6A1106564A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:44:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B138FC16 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so2362761gwb.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:44:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Y25HI6yNDtMnBxdMW0fFIKfJNNoF6DSsxIher432lTQ=; b=n/rI9UJSucQAgREEnlM0vMJEulKtfJ0xw/C5HZyCPE5/OM0F08tPLQxE8q+Iy9dpC6 5+sES4W1Akeuk68x9yXj3Af1HaGpMoApSXre0pwFescCz0oxz22EZAAu35d7lK/AgZKY q8B4L/0GOXUnHdGetRbu6SY4ZzzSA15LfQKg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tk1yLUD+Xz99b8W+00tIQVMz9o4rOhgd45F2Ergp0ssIDDXeyVpkXkKJ2cg/mB6v44 98VLbpa8lK/vwGIH+E97ltQ2OY/77251ocXlnkOyjA+VeNUFGjKq1KExRR7wxydY0WG2 x+PN8Zt/o71hnT6LYeOqpxzDrelQoXvDhrSwU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.93.14 with SMTP id q14mr2691848agb.180.1286235857659; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.183.65 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:44:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 01:44:17 +0200 Message-ID: From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:44:18 -0000 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Leandro F Silva w= rote: > Hi guys, > > Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? > Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. > > Thank you ! Linux Mandriva 2010 on my notebook (Dell 1318) and Mandriva 2010.1 on my netbook (Compaq mini CQ10-120LA) ... I need ACPI to work as expected and no BSD can give me that, and the same goes for wireless cards support .. forget bout bluetotth ... besides, dumping a Linux .iso image in a USB stick to give it a go on my notebook/netbook to try it out before installing was incredibly more easy than doing so with BSD images as most major Linux distributions provide Win/Linux GUI tools to do so (The Mandriva tool will ask you to select an .iso image and a USB ... point, click, you are done ... Fedoras tool will even allow you to create a a separate partition on the same USB device to store your files should you choose not to install the OS). Linux (as much as I don=B4t like it) is years ahead of BSD=B4s in that rega= rds ... And, oh yeah .. native UTF-8 tty=B4s and KVM make a huge difference. FreeBSD has been relegated to my desktop (which I have come to use only ocassionally, and servers). Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 00:37:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3147E1065693 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 00:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from mx02.dls.net (mx02.dls.net [216.145.245.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F319A8FC17 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 00:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.145.235.31] (helo=emailrob.com) by mx02.dls.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P2vXP-0006v4-E7; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:37:49 -0500 Message-ID: <4CAA654B.7040409@emailrob.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:37:47 +0100 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson , fbsd_questions References: <4CAA3030.3090001@emailrob.com> <4CAA3CFE.1060609@emailrob.com> <20101004225757.GK40148@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:37:51 -0000 well, i looked at questions back to the beginning of august. on aug_09 i found a thread that suggests the following questions. for a given release of freebsd, q: is it that the version labeled "i386" contains only 32_bit headers and source, which creates the 32_bit version of freebsd, as well as 32_bit versions of what i write, which will run as 32_bit code on either i_386, intel_64 or amd_64 ? q: is it that the version labeled "amd64" contains only 64_bit headers and source, which creates the 64_bit version of freebsd, as well as 64_bit versions of what i write, which will run as 64_bit code on the intel_64 and the amd_64, but, not the i_386 ? q: if a "i386" version is installed on an intel_64 platform, then the pointers are 32_bits_wide, no matter what ? q: if i want to produce both 32_bit and 64_bit versions of my "killer_app", then i need two machines, one a 32_bit or a 64_bit running "i386", the other --only-- a 64_bit running "amd64" ? q: given that i have intel_64 hardware, do i need to start acquiring the "amd64" versions of the releases, rather_than / in_addition_to the "i386" versions ? q: given that --i-- am committed to 64_bit hardware, perhaps, i should give up on the "i386" versions of the releases and require my users to spend us$_300 on 64_bit hardware [ it would save a large number of conditional_compilation directives; nudge_nudge, wink_wink, say no more ] ? again, i thank you for your assistance. rob Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Oct 04), David Brodbeck said: > >>On a 64-bit system, if you build a binary with the -m32 flag, it >>should run on both i386 and x86-64 systems. A binary built with -m64 >>will only run on x86-64. Does that help? > > > Actually, -m32 on amd64 won't generate usable binaries, since > /usr/include/machine/* are all amd64 headers and you end up with things like > struct FILE with wrong-size elements. There was a thread a few weeks ago > discussing this. If you need to generate 32-bit executables, you'll need to > do it inside an all-32-bit chroot or a virtual machine. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 02:03:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D051065675 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 02:03:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@speakeasy.net) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066A98FC23 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 02:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20540 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2010 02:03:10 -0000 Received: from s5.stradamotorsports.com (HELO w16.stradamotorsports.com) (jcw@[64.81.163.123]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 5 Oct 2010 02:03:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4CAA875E.3050102@speakeasy.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:03:10 -0700 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100808 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd general questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PF Version X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 02:03:12 -0000 What version of PF shipped with 8.1-RELEASE? Where can I find this for myself? I looked in cvsweb but was unable to understand what I was reading. Regards, Jason From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 02:12:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA88B106566B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 02:12:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5608FC16 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 02:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk35 with SMTP id 35so2095447qyk.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:12:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4eGRl3kh913GQ9iUTiT5Js8k1YDheVYkeIbLTLLjDz0=; b=P3tSBnBkRc5XHRzOWAA2n0eUl/QBRApvETV+urwxL9KXknZBSnCDAHx0xnBRvUZkqE MWn3enJ8Q6Ble7OFTd+AxUXTHPecgLsKCwc3EylB+qjBO9ZUmP2N4MHbcr7u/zxPxj+m g4lfpKe8/5vQbLMHY787arLOHZ2X81A0z3JUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=odlDrC8UN8Gki/K9Bsfkv/7n2EAwrvu2jxLtxtn580N3hf4VFtcm80yPoNC5g4HzHQ vyfjlq2UbZVnWAbp9IglkSKggBX/E6STr88j0ej7xayNNyKRe7vYcBfQ4YXCjBCUgOZ8 kVr3Rt5nmfgZdvQ8ZH5CPdkmWuOpwKARbl2h4= Received: by 10.229.215.19 with SMTP id hc19mr7724668qcb.107.1286244725802; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schism.local (c-71-230-240-241.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.230.240.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r38sm6341554qcs.14.2010.10.04.19.12.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CAA8971.6040106@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:12:01 -0400 From: Glen Barber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" References: <4CAA875E.3050102@speakeasy.net> In-Reply-To: <4CAA875E.3050102@speakeasy.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd general questions Subject: Re: PF Version X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 02:12:11 -0000 On 10/4/10 10:03 PM, Jason C. Wells wrote: > What version of PF shipped with 8.1-RELEASE? Where can I find this for > myself? I looked in cvsweb but was unable to understand what I was > reading. Hi Jason, The current version of PF is in line with OpenBSD 4.1, as stated in the Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls-pf.html Best regards, -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 02:19:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF651065674 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 02:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9532A8FC15 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 02:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so4478842fxm.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:19:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=uxkFSXfYUM4sgsM9uWnXSO81geGUbITOPZamyKlSkCI=; b=WkJrAsVBEO1aVjKG0ha4XeSAgQmwqdjIJ5hsamxO/HOACLTfx9KTUyRgJ/wnGqrZEP TDWEBF/cx91+XWAR2dATj9lJ1140rbPi0M/SfgA7rjEXJxa40Qo6vOCKmef0wOdYD29t X9MggqqxRu4Mk4sIZ1Yls9WaMASoTkl2t+WLI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Kv/gLm8NLvNDA/WoiPlYw6ZBl+jGz3G6zi0e0uRUOu2D/Zt08iBXNcjD5wp3NeTdmk eTeRiaztr5MaX4OCpaZoJSrHygdjIBMT6pQoTMaPDNIA/ksO93gxUggOeqbZnifpMWgv AjdsDm1TdpglqrEWUilQ62yLFUHEmRiD0X090= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.134.73 with SMTP id i9mr4908420fat.104.1286245192114; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.107.130 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:19:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101004221506.GA8662@polands.org> References: <20101004221506.GA8662@polands.org> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:19:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Doug Poland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: Apache as reverse SSL proxy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 02:19:54 -0000 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Doug Poland wrote: > Hello, > > I realize this is not a specific FreeBSD question, but a lot of > knowledgeable apache admins hang around here. I am tasked with creating > a reverse SSL proxy in a DMZ. A reverse proxy for http is simple, but > I'm finding it challenging understanding all that needs to take place > for apache 2.2.x to act as a reverse. > > I've done an extensive amount of googling and reading mod_proxy and > mod_ssl docs, but to no avail. Can someone point me to some docs or > configs? > Save your brain, and your computer's memory. Use www/nginx or www/pound. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 02:20:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD8F1065750 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 02:20:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (x.it.okstate.edu [139.78.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A4B8FC1C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 02:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by x.it.okstate.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o952JThU017756 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:19:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <201010050219.o952JThU017756@x.it.okstate.edu> to: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <17754.1286245169.1@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:19:29 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Re: 64-bit PGP isn't Decrypting. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 02:20:05 -0000 Dan Nelson writes: > Does gnupg (ports/security/gnupg) work? I think you'll have a hard time > trying to get people to fix bugs in pgp; the source tree that the pgp port > uses is 14 years old. Wow! I thought that was just the first copywrite date. gnugp installs gpg-2 which is almost the right thing but the files encrypted from pgp report as using the "idea" method. gpg-idea is a port that currently appears to try to decode the test file but immediately bombs out with a couple of cryptic errors about packets so not quite home yet. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 02:40:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CADC1065673 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 02:40:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CFB8FC1E for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 02:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn34 with SMTP id 34so890922iwn.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.39.205 with SMTP id h13mr11208800ibe.148.1286246419870; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:40:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.166.77 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:39:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101004204434.GA1436@ideapad.piggybox> References: <4ca78fe8.8575df0a.0fdd.3721@mx.google.com> <20101004204434.GA1436@ideapad.piggybox> From: Eitan Adler Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 02:39:58 +0000 Message-ID: To: Eitan Adler , four.harrisons@googlemail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: ACPI & battery issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 02:40:25 -0000 > Eitan, > > I've attached the patch - this came from David Naylor on the ACPI list. I= f I understand what he told me at the time, it doesn't fix the problem enti= rely - but I can't pretend I understand ACPI. I know it means that on my S1= 0e I no longer get spammed with ACPI errors - and that my battery status an= d shutdown work properly. > > The patch applies to /usr/src/sys/dev/acpica/acpi_ec.c > > It needs some new entries in /boot/loader.conf to adjust the timeouts and= delays - which you can tinker with. The settings given are what works for = me - but search the acpi list archives for David's original email: > > debug.acpi.ec.delay=3D"200" > debug.acpi.ec.gpe=3D"1" > debug.acpi.ec.timeout=3D"100" > > Hope it helps, > > > > Peter Harrison. Thanks for the patch. Unfortunately the hard drive in the laptop in question broke and I'm waiting for a replacement. I will test it when I reinstall freeBSD though. Thanks for the patch. --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 03:04:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783CE106574A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:04:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDE58FC0A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:04:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o95342QH035258 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:04:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4CAA95A2.6040007@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:04:02 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20100930 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Why in FreeBSD Tk apps don't copy to clipboard selected text? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 03:04:03 -0000 For example, tkdiff. In Linux when I select something it is being copied and I can paste it with middle mouse button click. In FreeBSD -- text isn't being copied when selected. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 03:12:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA84106566C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:12:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F928FC19 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so4502625fxm.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:12:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vl+EGsmt2lLTBY+2kOXshFtwKqE9tRS/Guzu5Uket80=; b=Gpr3stWi+LRuLNEdg0RE5jW+PUiJSlUqhYRg0tbT14lfIkI1W+Kt/yIDTStd+47DOl YiskzHDYe9nrjA28zZC9v/nX6E72LO15QAwtixMJdyE71DVU0zpk+fYz0pYlTS3sJtP+ VuoIlkTKs52vQFmrOXAarQ2rZNTfLiV3po6Ig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=AlkH40UYYdnF+QLTH7PsdybXA6nIeRHHqTpJX09NZEs/FfA9OgEfoMwW+ebYxRqKem aysB3PNIz9r5L/aFz1drf7GYZ7ZzVozMkFUxS88fZ16xrHrL6hOmP0VCGk7d9MHeZ0x+ 6XLSe63W9XOuIEleQsCWvMwZkBE8pGnfcf29U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.106.142 with SMTP id x14mr9978797fao.21.1286248367248; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.107.130 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:12:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CAA95A2.6040007@rawbw.com> References: <4CAA95A2.6040007@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:12:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Yuri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why in FreeBSD Tk apps don't copy to clipboard selected text? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 03:12:49 -0000 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Yuri wrote: > For example, tkdiff. > In Linux when I select something it is being copied and I can paste it with > middle mouse button click. > In FreeBSD -- text isn't being copied when selected. > Probably has something to do with your xorg.conf, middle button paste works fine on every system I use and they all run FreeBSD. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 03:25:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746071065670 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:25:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463B88FC12 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o953Pc0i039825; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:25:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4CAA9AB2.6080205@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:25:38 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20100930 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <4CAA95A2.6040007@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why in FreeBSD Tk apps don't copy to clipboard selected text? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 03:25:39 -0000 On 10/04/2010 20:12, Adam Vande More wrote: > Probably has something to do with your xorg.conf, middle button paste > works fine on every system I use and they all run FreeBSD. It works for me very well too. Everywhere, but from Tk apps on FreeBSD. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 03:32:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2D2106566B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:32:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBF98FC12 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so4510608fxm.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:32:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=YKve1bGwnIt4eEBNQk3DZpZCKQn6iDunzGghT23ibR8=; b=xTNRkgrBJrwf3q5S2dP4IHygkcNPVusDbBUzsWd1mcvyNu6cHUGRTgoib6bTJmIjga 6Jd5bxbl/KyMBZ45midxIT9l5XCBPo7YmvwZc+IVfQkxIgyDf3P34XImGV/UUhmWQZNd aJHHNCUeigV0yJuKnBUHxz9gZDoKBQOlhwf0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=noEZ+AfH8cDgv5le/FGfInrresswgnm1t3T+GNul2pruIndRWkpjrijJEkOLmKaDMP SjzadL8q+BQUzGd5qgh8woCyNbWVWuDTLMxmpXyIrGpzDr/aak2xAYG3l5Z2s0MLRMtx htIw9+05SZFQok+0DGnFQgl4b5PzY/I6+OBpw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.113.131 with SMTP id a3mr5784106faq.0.1286249548352; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.107.130 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:32:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CAA9AB2.6080205@rawbw.com> References: <4CAA95A2.6040007@rawbw.com> <4CAA9AB2.6080205@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:32:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Yuri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why in FreeBSD Tk apps don't copy to clipboard selected text? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 03:32:30 -0000 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Yuri wrote: > On 10/04/2010 20:12, Adam Vande More wrote: > >> Probably has something to do with your xorg.conf, middle button paste >> works fine on every system I use and they all run FreeBSD. >> > > It works for me very well too. > Everywhere, but from Tk apps on FreeBSD. > Works here. pkg_info -x tkdiff Information for tkdiff-4.1.4_1: Comment: A Tk frontend for diff(1) Description: tkdiff is a fronted for unix's diff based on Tcl/Tk. WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tkdiff/ -- Kevin Lo -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 03:41:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CB8106564A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email1.allantgroup.com (email1.emsphone.com [199.67.51.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3601B8FC14 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:41:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email1.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id o953fpLb071767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:41:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o953fpxQ023703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:41:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o953foGt023702; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:41:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:41:50 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: spellberg_robert Message-ID: <20101005034150.GL40148@dan.emsphone.com> References: <4CAA3030.3090001@emailrob.com> <4CAA3CFE.1060609@emailrob.com> <20101004225757.GK40148@dan.emsphone.com> <4CAA654B.7040409@emailrob.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CAA654B.7040409@emailrob.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96 at email1.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email1.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:41:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: fbsd_questions Subject: Re: [fbsd_questions] i386 vs amd64, on intel_64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 03:41:55 -0000 In the last episode (Oct 05), spellberg_robert said: > well, i looked at questions back to the beginning of august. > > on aug_09 i found a thread that suggests the following questions. You might want to just use "i386" and "amd64" instead of making up your own terminology ("i_386", "intel_64", "amd_64", etc). Note that Intel has chips that support two competing 64-bit instruction sets: ia64, which is used by their Itanium line, and amd64, which originated on AMD chips but Intel adopted for their 64-bit-capable x86 chips (Xeon, Core etc). I'll assume that any time you say "intel_64" or "amd_64" you really mean amd64, since nobody uses Itaniums :) > for a given release of freebsd, > > q: is it that the version labeled "i386" contains only 32_bit > headers and source, which creates the 32_bit version of > freebsd, as well as 32_bit versions of what i write, which will > run as 32_bit code on either i_386, intel_64 or amd_64 ? Yes, assuming you have COMPAT_FREEBSD32 in your kernel config (which GENERIC has, so most people have it). > q: is it that the version labeled "amd64" contains only 64_bit headers and source, > which creates the 64_bit version of freebsd, as well as 64_bit > versions of what i write, which will run as 64_bit code on the > intel_64 and the amd_64, but, not the i_386 ? Yes. > q: if a "i386" version is installed on an intel_64 platform, then > the pointers are 32_bits_wide, no matter what ? Yes. FreeBSD's models are ILP32 (int, long, pointer are all 32-bit) or LP64 (int is 32-bit, long and pointer are 64-bit). > q: if i want to produce both 32_bit and 64_bit versions of my > "killer_app", then i need two machines, > one a 32_bit or a 64_bit running "i386", > the other --only-- a 64_bit running "amd64" ? Or an amd64 machine with a 32-bit world installed in a subdirectory that you can chroot to to do your 32-bit compiles, or a virtual machine running a 32-bit world. > q: given that i have intel_64 hardware, > do i need to start acquiring the "amd64" versions of the > releases, rather_than / in_addition_to the "i386" versions ? If you have more than 4GB of ram, it would be a good idea. If you have 4GB or less, then 64-bit mode doesn't buy you much, and may cost you performance since all your pointers take up twice the space, filling up your L1/L2 caches twice as fast. > q: given that --i-- am committed to 64_bit hardware, perhaps, i > should give up on the "i386" versions of the releases and > require my users to spend us$_300 on 64_bit hardware [ it would > save a large number of conditional_compilation directives; > nudge_nudge, wink_wink, say no more > ] ? Or provide source and let the users compile what they need on their own machines. Assuming you code using the appropriate types (size_t, intptr_t, etc, or int32_t and int64_t for when you know you need a particular word size) instead of assuming that a pointer will fit in an int, your code should compile on either 32- or 64-bit machines with no conditional code. http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/stdint.h.html -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 03:53:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC685106566C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C148FC16 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:53:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=exbvkCqEOBXDkHq+8n3wanotOBQtbe7qbIajSD+JluU= c=1 sm=0 a=iv_FGcSvvugA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=02fl1sNAWVw4WL3Wmu4WJA==:17 a=bqq2Vc5EAAAA:8 a=jku0EqVroq9wsDahKykA:9 a=sOAR8vtDUawjNQSb5d-_ZwRwGHQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=5ERLOmoKdHQA:10 a=02fl1sNAWVw4WL3Wmu4WJA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.87.219.217 Received: from [75.87.219.217] ([75.87.219.217:51664] helo=haran.polands.org) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 88/88-07458-351AAAC4; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 03:53:55 +0000 Received: from ararat.polands.org (ararat.polands.org [172.16.1.20]) by haran.polands.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o953rtXQ070519; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:53:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from ararat.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ararat.polands.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o953rtDU033877; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:53:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp@ararat.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by ararat.polands.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o953rsZ9033876; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:53:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:53:54 -0500 From: Doug Poland To: Adam Vande More Message-ID: <20101005035354.GB8662@polands.org> References: <20101004221506.GA8662@polands.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: Apache as reverse SSL proxy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 03:53:56 -0000 On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 09:19:52PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Doug Poland wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I realize this is not a specific FreeBSD question, but a lot of >> knowledgeable apache admins hang around here. I am tasked with >> creating a reverse SSL proxy in a DMZ. A reverse proxy for http >> is simple, but I'm finding it challenging understanding all that >> needs to take place for apache 2.2.x to act as a reverse. >> >> I've done an extensive amount of googling and reading mod_proxy >> and mod_ssl docs, but to no avail. Can someone point me to some >> docs or configs? >> > > Save your brain, and your computer's memory. Use www/nginx or > www/pound. > What also complicates the matter is that the reverse proxy is supposed to act for several virtual hosts. The documentation for www/pound indicated "HTTPS does not allow virtual hosting". I seem to recall bumping into this issue in the past that one cannot do named-based vhosts on HTTPS. Look like it's back to the drawing board... -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 04:06:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F4064106566B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:06:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866618FC0A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so4522616fxm.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:06:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=lAblHYdktcFGquynAVRKG4OS46Jt7638y7R8ujm6YeA=; b=aeEn/d9VBLyWm+u8b0k+IK5Di5HsezpvcPNRKSi3VZpS+2E0nE2T1qovb8wtsLMPBg qOWuPTND1v3mGK6M7O7Wq2ufnGIdm5H7McWszdkKv6BT+x+BOAec+pGs0/FFQIAJ6Dw9 Fl8xLuWk9eMefF6tYdtoGJ0MBqzauIiVpMCGo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=CEtkJnI/f5OGis3PU5PmF+W/YereefwYSQYjRNk6Go5JdSPtR4jKHEousLvKJPL8xN ZYBqZdeqZ1W2OPG/K+0ghsF/R4zVk3wG0PVtM8nLKy8RLzthDxpWqX74MzKW7HZxUoC7 LeGFyuBExR6Q2bRuJjbqB6UbTqeOyBlMxPXeE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.97.136 with SMTP id l8mr9621371fan.89.1286251594340; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.107.130 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:06:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101005035354.GB8662@polands.org> References: <20101004221506.GA8662@polands.org> <20101005035354.GB8662@polands.org> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:06:34 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Doug Poland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: Apache as reverse SSL proxy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:06:36 -0000 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Doug Poland wrote: > What also complicates the matter is that the reverse proxy is supposed > to act for several virtual hosts. The documentation for www/pound > indicated "HTTPS does not allow virtual hosting". I seem to recall > bumping into this issue in the past that one cannot do named-based > vhosts on HTTPS. > > Look like it's back to the drawing board... > You can use nginx and sni to accomplish that, but it depends on browser support. If your viewers are using IE7+, or any other modern browsers it shouldn't be a problem. If you have a lot of IE6- and other old browsers, get those IP request forms filled out. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 04:40:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73CB11065670 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA508FC15 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.137] (helo=smtp6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P2zKP-0008OR-Of for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:40:37 +0200 Received: from 54193b12.cm-5-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([84.25.59.18] helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P2zKO-0006UO-E3 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:40:36 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26533983B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4CAAAC4A.5060106@boosten.org> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:40:42 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101004221506.GA8662@polands.org> <20101005035354.GB8662@polands.org> In-Reply-To: <20101005035354.GB8662@polands.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1P2zKO-0006UO-E3 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-2.1, vereist 5, BAYES_00 -2.60, CM_META_TB_NOARR 0.50, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: OT: Apache as reverse SSL proxy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:40:39 -0000 On 5-10-2010 5:53, Doug Poland wrote: > On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 09:19:52PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > The documentation for www/pound > indicated "HTTPS does not allow virtual hosting". I seem to recall > bumping into this issue in the past that one cannot do named-based > vhosts on HTTPS. > > Look like it's back to the drawing board... > > You could circumvent that issue by terminating your HTTPS sessions on the reverse proxy itself (and talk HTTP to the application server). Some applications won't work that way, but modern ones (and even Outlook Web Access) can use a HTTPS-front-end. The problem exists within applications with hard-coded links. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 04:50:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DA6106564A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:50:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caleb.stein@me.com) Received: from asmtpout023.mac.com (asmtpout023.mac.com [17.148.16.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332D58FC14 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:50:41 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from stenet.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.183.141.251]) by asmtp023.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0L9S00630W4GG730@asmtp023.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:50:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=5 spamscore=5 ipscore=0 suspectscore=5 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=1 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1010040262 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-10-05_01:2010-10-05, 2010-10-05, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:50:27 -0700 From: Caleb Stein Message-id: User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.70 (Linux) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:10:17 +0000 Subject: LibreOffice? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:50:44 -0000 When can we expect it in the ports? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 05:15:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AEA61065673 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 05:15:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C9A8FC23 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 05:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o955FitL060586 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:15:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4CAAB47F.10908@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:15:43 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20100930 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: How can I know how many packets were lost and resent on particular TCP connection? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:15:45 -0000 Just curious if I can do this. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 05:33:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F22106566C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 05:33:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB948FC0C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 05:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o955XRuB077478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:33:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk o955XRuB077478 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1286256807; bh=5c2iOG9eceyUsoRF2odS95zK2fz10j3yg0O7TGBLVfg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4CAAB89F.70907@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Tue ,=2005=20Oct=202010=2006:33:19=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20 |Organization:=20Infracaninophile |User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(Macintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20 OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-GB=3B=20rv:1.9.2.9)=20Gecko/20100915=20Thund erbird/3.1.4|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20Peter=20Boosten=20|CC:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20OT :=20Apache=20as=20reverse=20SSL=20proxy|References:=20<20101004221 506.GA8662@polands.org>=09=09<20101005035354.GB8662@polands.org>=20<4C AAAC4A.5060106@boosten.org>|In-Reply-To:=20<4CAAAC4A.5060106@boost en.org>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Conte nt-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20prot ocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"-------- ----enigFB8185613FCE3668D969454B"; b=d9lIszyNQnNpxExm9WtmhLBfgKTyJ8W6iDkRJEwbyrn4LjY7x/psml4yoZ3rswWcV A1exqyIALXmVJg30ZiHhkIFfzmTAuRY78f6S1ZrJuJKpbBOwz40O7vem6he/sZUX5U uJ1EM2UTgKmQ1G9QR3Ba0SYLm0C8YDN4j3lL1XdQ= Message-ID: <4CAAB89F.70907@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:33:19 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Boosten References: <20101004221506.GA8662@polands.org> <20101005035354.GB8662@polands.org> <4CAAAC4A.5060106@boosten.org> In-Reply-To: <4CAAAC4A.5060106@boosten.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigFB8185613FCE3668D969454B" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: Apache as reverse SSL proxy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:33:33 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFB8185613FCE3668D969454B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/10/2010 05:40:42, Peter Boosten wrote: > On 5-10-2010 5:53, Doug Poland wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 09:19:52PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: >> The documentation for www/pound >> indicated "HTTPS does not allow virtual hosting". I seem to recall >> bumping into this issue in the past that one cannot do named-based >> vhosts on HTTPS. Yes. There's a catch-22 with HTTPS. The ServerName of the encrypted website is part of the keying material used to decrypt the traffic. That's given in the Host: header line in HTTP packets -- which is part of the encrypted content. So to find the name of the virtual host you need to decrypt the packet, but to decrypt the packet, you first need the virtual host name. The only way it can work is by making a 1:1 association of web sites with IP numbers, as you can then work out the server name from the IP connection. Nowadays there is also the possibility of RFC2817 -- in essence you start an ordinary HTTP session, then issue a STARTTLS command and upgrade the connection to encrypted. This will allow name-based virtual hosting with TLS to work as intended. Unfortunately, last I checked, while apache supports this, most web browsers do not. >> Look like it's back to the drawing board... >> >> >=20 > You could circumvent that issue by terminating your HTTPS sessions on > the reverse proxy itself (and talk HTTP to the application server). Som= e > applications won't work that way, but modern ones (and even Outlook Web= > Access) can use a HTTPS-front-end. The problem exists within > applications with hard-coded links. In fact, you pretty much have to do that. Unless your proxy is going to work at layer 2 only, which most people would recognise as a NAT'ing gateway, and not something you'ld use apache to implement at all. If your proxying software needs to work at layer 3 -- that is, the proxy needs to be able to access the HTTP content wrapped inside the TLS session, then the proxy has to be an endpoint of the TLS session. Whether the proxy encrypts its own connections to the original source is then just a matter of preference. [Well, that, and software capability: squid used in reverse proxy mode will speak HTTPS to the end users, but requires plaintext access to the origin servers.] Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigFB8185613FCE3668D969454B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyquKcACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwAzwCbBDwERUg6/eeH9EP00U4UrY0Y 9KoAn0f4Duem9hyG+ZCPTQKjowWe3XjU =chQF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFB8185613FCE3668D969454B-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 06:36:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0915C1065673 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AAD8FC15 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Eubo1f0011eYJf8A9ucAGl; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:36:10 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.9] ([70.89.202.1]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Euc71f00702K3z201uc8Um; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:36:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <4CAAB89F.70907@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 01:36:07 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2C683AF7-AFA5-4D5E-8575-19455EBB142B@cwis.biz> References: <20101004221506.GA8662@polands.org> <20101005035354.GB8662@polands.org> <4CAAAC4A.5060106@boosten.org> <4CAAB89F.70907@infracaninophile.co.uk> To: Matthew Seaman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , Peter Boosten Subject: Re: OT: Apache as reverse SSL proxy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:36:11 -0000 On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:33 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Nowadays there is also the possibility of RFC2817 -- in essence you > start an ordinary HTTP session, then issue a STARTTLS command and > upgrade the connection to encrypted. This will allow name-based = virtual > hosting with TLS to work as intended. Unfortunately, last I checked, > while apache supports this, most web browsers do not. Throwing just my two bits in: Apache supports it, as does Firefox, and = nothing else (maybe Safari does...). IE definitely does not. I looked into this before opting to go multiple = static IPs at home for my webservers.= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 06:36:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCC41065675 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:36:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nr1c0re@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A358FC24 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk35 with SMTP id 35so2387025qyk.13 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:36:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0N2PiGCBV8ze/5slBWHJeWR9/xF+o/E0ZoKpJKpfI7w=; b=InLAtCMFEBVr9d23U4W9sQaUkl6EIsCRBrNLjUd3nQEuJQLW8/3zjzTUQGoIh4a12/ dXWhwM+IloVenTn7pixytdM4v69NJB08C9lq5bgndS+HVtPUCY3yPNYV1vylgZgVlZCx 9ERcboNcsm9g1rzNDuSsbr2iIPv3RWDeNMlls= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Cl3p/pcqNPRlMN5VGi3fn3f5tDg9cmaxtIcb6RxpnzoDXcYApc53uUeqCZe9Czu9/z JeoI9S1wZ148drvOp9edHbr0Z1p8J6tQfYsydImb08lBDMwuwzdj+BI0Y3XiotZIzaKs V8LKYJeUT7xK+XR7iBjRc1oMtIz5BgKcNNsqk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.221.131 with SMTP id ic3mr8044685qcb.152.1286260615203; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.214.142 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:36:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:36:55 +0400 Message-ID: From: c0re To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Upgrading to higher major version directly or via small steps? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:36:56 -0000 I can't understand why should I use this "adm" tool instead of standard method, described in /usr/src/Makefile. And it's not an answer to this question: 6.2 to 7.3 is which one of the folowing: - 6.2->6.4->7.0->7.3 or - 6.2->7.3 directly? 2010/10/4 Odhiambo Washington : > > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:47 PM, c0re wrote: >> >> Hello all! >> >> >> I'm interested in 2 updates: >> - from 6.2 to 7.3 >> and >> - from 6.2 to 8.1 >> >> Can I update directly from 6.2 to 7.3? like set RELENG_7_3 in supfile an= d >> make csup. Or I should update to 6.4, then to 7.0, and then to 7.3? >> >> And same question about upgrading from 6.2 to 8.1 - can i csup directly = to >> 8.1? If not - why is it so? >> > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/upgrade/ > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 -- Lucky Dube > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 07:05:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BB2106566B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:05:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76288FC1E for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so4567035fxm.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:05:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=CKgBDOSwu+paxad1vYngQ6NZmRCmSySjERDLmDddXQU=; b=l3pWayknjkym8zkLAu3WhvN4kcNDlr9ZnD52/3m1OHWnt4sZuYqN4BVUqeUsTFZVJh /yIjvEHn1j/a10vCa39p5UW/1Dp3iJEChUW7cbG1j4QZXqHZTViyg3nYBsuFxvfkE0Sx 2lMXzbHYK7hl9OvWco7+4GfwwJUb/lYJq0BfU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=SvsE5UX/UaxxMei3E0qLFhwcrmsRd3dRPP1tdaqd2QogK9QcPWDYslz9IlVQJhMU1W yZbdnxkxuO3Gu4/mVXLGsfvtMuQMmOlx8B5SN3X4NC5u+eRr8FQXnGa1fmxZTzMgKLJa 19L/GG9wNLrB3sm8sy3f3dXu6dAnEsgr5LGDk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.113.71 with SMTP id z7mr10193768fap.3.1286262303089; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.107.130 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 00:05:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2C683AF7-AFA5-4D5E-8575-19455EBB142B@cwis.biz> References: <20101004221506.GA8662@polands.org> <20101005035354.GB8662@polands.org> <4CAAAC4A.5060106@boosten.org> <4CAAB89F.70907@infracaninophile.co.uk> <2C683AF7-AFA5-4D5E-8575-19455EBB142B@cwis.biz> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 02:05:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Ryan Coleman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , Peter Boosten Subject: Re: OT: Apache as reverse SSL proxy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:05:04 -0000 On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:33 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > Nowadays there is also the possibility of RFC2817 -- in essence you > > start an ordinary HTTP session, then issue a STARTTLS command and > > upgrade the connection to encrypted. This will allow name-based virtual > > hosting with TLS to work as intended. Unfortunately, last I checked, > > while apache supports this, most web browsers do not. > > Throwing just my two bits in: Apache supports it, as does Firefox, and > nothing else (maybe Safari does...). > > IE definitely does not. I looked into this before opting to go multiple > static IPs at home for my > webservers._______________________________________________ > IE 7+ does however support RFC 3546(SNI), which is the defacto standard for accomplishing SSL name based vhosts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 07:19:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7675E1065693 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:19:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1358FC08 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so7821126wwb.31 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:19:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=U2v5sfeF34Hvj/OBad0sdWT2N5lM02VdqfgY4YD0dJk=; b=YkGkBfG9fxdE1jgjETiKKP4/ptJZQpPmPS3Yu5ISS1y3kxy6/Jz8qSNANVjesXEhvp 4raOY1v64MMtqahAnMmpcJ4hODtkC1a8dBd/JD7kuf3dQPhExahQmPLc+9tpM5gvmxAA pWCPS3PCUePU+UJ9uTbNidCwRBbHw869yQfS4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; b=VqLHbufvfEbQv3R7gpSSpsFP9lVkhKXFIyjUF2rRQ0fNUGp233p1VLylhaV9L1Tzlq UgD+1DHvsGfP+CH0pIpKlqZ19ljZMn+K5r8I/L+Zai2Erf89hC/M9Nz7q97ax02UeBcw ltxfIq/oLdvr0TEBfib9L3I/VW+8QNrkj4YbU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.22.70 with SMTP id s48mr641139wes.27.1286263177900; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.162.75 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 00:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:19:37 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: c0re Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Upgrading to higher major version directly or via small steps? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:19:39 -0000 >I can't understand why should I use this "adm" tool instead of >standard method, described in /usr/src/Makefile. List subscribers generally ask that those sending messages to the list place their replies below quoted material, rather than above it. If you read /usr/src/UPDATING, you will see: "To rebuild everything and install it on the current system. ----------------------------------------------------------- # Note: sometimes if you are running current you gotta do more than # is listed here if you are upgrading from a really old current." This same statement is valid with regard to releases, and the -STABLE branches. Engelschall's adm toolkit and associated scripts attempt to "do more than is listed here," as Engelschall described clearly at the link that Washington gave you, http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/upgrade/ 'for upgrading from X-STABLE to (X+1)-STABLE ... the usual "build and install everything from source" does not work or at least requires additional preparations.' I would qualify that "does not work" with a "sometimes". Of course you don't have to use this stuff, but you may want to at least look through his scripts, to see if some of the steps are applicable to your machines. In any event, before you attempt a major upgrade, you should back up your data, so that it will not be lost if something goes wrong. Also, you may want to consider simply wiping your disks and starting afresh with new binary installation, rather than attempting to upgrade directly. Sometimes that is easier. You can always customize it later. >And it's not an answer to this question: >6.2 to 7.3 is which one of the folowing: >- 6.2->6.4->7.0->7.3 >or >- 6.2->7.3 directly? See below. >2010/10/4 Odhiambo Washington : >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:47 PM, c0re wrote: ... >>> I'm interested in 2 updates: >>> - from 6.2 to 7.3 >>> and >>> - from 6.2 to 8.1 >>> >>> Can I update directly from 6.2 to 7.3? like set RELENG_7_3 in supfile and >>> make csup. Or I should update to 6.4, then to 7.0, and then to 7.3? >>> >>> And same question about upgrading from 6.2 to 8.1 - can i csup directly to >>> 8.1? If not - why is it so? >>> You might as well do both updates in just one step. You probably won't gain much by breaking it up into smaller steps, and that will take longer. It may be quicker and safer just to start with a new src collection, obtained via csup, svn, release media, or tarballs, rather than attempting to bring a very old src collection up to date. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 07:19:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387AB10656C0 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C958FC20 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr129041.univ-rennes1.fr (mr129041.cri.univ-rennes1.fr [129.20.129.41]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8A87963316D; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 09:19:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mr129041.univ-rennes1.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mr129041.univ-rennes1.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDB8B81B; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 09:20:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 09:20:34 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: Manolis Kiagias Message-ID: <20101005092034.4cb3ff20@mr129041.univ-rennes1.fr> In-Reply-To: <4CA77952.1080704@otenet.gr> References: <4CA77952.1080704@otenet.gr> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom 64bit FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 with XFCE packages released X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:19:48 -0000 Le Sat, 02 Oct 2010 21:26:26 +0300, Manolis Kiagias a écrit : Hello, > This release is based on the latest XFCE desktop and includes a wide > variety of desktop-related packages, like OpenOffice, abiword, > gnumeric, firefox35, gimp, inkscape, evince and so on. The base > system is 8.1-RELEASE. A few other small window managers are included > like windowmaker and fluxbox. Note this release does not include > editors/zim and x11-wm/icewm due to build problems. Which print system is used by the packages, cups or lpr? Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 07:32:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EB71065695 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:32:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B41E8FC26 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EvWm1f00216AWCUA2vYEc9; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:32:14 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.9] ([70.89.202.1]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EvYC1f00202K3z28SvYDjw; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:32:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 02:32:11 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <20101004221506.GA8662@polands.org> <20101005035354.GB8662@polands.org> <4CAAAC4A.5060106@boosten.org> <4CAAB89F.70907@infracaninophile.co.uk> <2C683AF7-AFA5-4D5E-8575-19455EBB142B@cwis.biz> To: Adam Vande More X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , Peter Boosten Subject: Re: OT: Apache as reverse SSL proxy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:32:14 -0000 On Oct 5, 2010, at 2:05 AM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> >> On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:33 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> >>> Nowadays there is also the possibility of RFC2817 -- in essence you >>> start an ordinary HTTP session, then issue a STARTTLS command and >>> upgrade the connection to encrypted. This will allow name-based virtual >>> hosting with TLS to work as intended. Unfortunately, last I checked, >>> while apache supports this, most web browsers do not. >> >> Throwing just my two bits in: Apache supports it, as does Firefox, and >> nothing else (maybe Safari does...). >> >> IE definitely does not. I looked into this before opting to go multiple >> static IPs at home for my >> webservers._______________________________________________ >> > > IE 7+ does however support RFC 3546(SNI), which is the defacto standard for > accomplishing SSL name based vhosts. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication Only in Vista and later versions of Windows; Not XP. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 08:56:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAE51065693 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 08:56:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from axelbsd@ymail.com) Received: from smtp149.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp149.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [77.238.184.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E6538FC2A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 08:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 88627 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2010 08:29:47 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ymail.com; s=s1024; t=1286267387; bh=Yss5fnwFyRM3mFweJ3ipXkaT2CnncQeeiWYprH90CRw=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Received:MIME-Version:Received:From:Date:Message-ID:Subject:To:Content-Type; b=0Ri6rPHtxQ44j4McgPTZfdFQebYtuvGmN/1uNaMUijJcf262QQBN4VzLDVIkVIfVHFzgY9z7OylTn8/N5zpKBA9tQxCPMT4BGnjgAWNyCyIbofsz/3qovkgzcHPQvCT9p10WFpFTp71q4QaBLOesaO2C0/VuZ5wQ66//00uyiYs= Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (axelbsd@74.125.82.50 with plain) by smtp149.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Oct 2010 08:29:47 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: S65s63SswBDjU54Gjqw2GSWlZmfgiEU_X3tN1_9u X-YMail-OSG: PBEWKmAVM1nYFYkzO.sveUrxshDdkoyqZE3HOj.VXut75I6 hlUEPAoSkPi0UEIOOpBtezavPnON1HkGkFyEmlo0zCW6rbCmgJ.6acVFtA8j 7JmGjohwEOh.YnmX5GW5CBrqh2vGbVA5IaT85.dgjRO93pEqr.GbqDRcY63t khrUtHwzJ5FWVhsexaIIw8as0XQYjpaRiag-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so7877117wwb.31 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 01:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.129.84 with SMTP id n20mr8574646wbs.61.1286267387047; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 01:29:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.146.201 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 01:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexandre Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:29:26 +0200 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: XFCE 4.6.2 : Thunar 1.0.2 always reloads files under /usr/home/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 08:56:28 -0000 Hi, On my laptop under 8.1-RELEASE, I have installed XFCE 4.6.2 meta port last week, and I have noticed anything strange. When I open Thunar, my home directory is opened. But Thunar seems to reload and access to a few text files and hidden files and directories (.gvfs, .cshrc...) in my home. I can see that because the access time is increasing every second. And the mouse pointer change continually from arrow to hourglass. At the begining, I thought that there was my text files at the root of my home that were problematic, but I have moved them to another directory under my home, and the problem I always here. At this moment, I noticed that Thunar access to hidden files and directories. I don't think that it is a rights problem because I have given full access (777) to a text file that is concerned by this, and this has not resolved the problem. If I screen another directory, even under my home directory (/home/dir1 for example), the problem disappears. But when I screen my root's home (/home/Alexandre) the problem reappears. I previously installed Gnome 2.30 and I haven't noticed that problem under Nautilus. I uninstalled Gnome but keep some Gnome tools like Brasero, Nautilus or Power Management Tools. I haven't mounted any USB device, or NFS directory. 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I have a raid problem ... one of the subdisk is missing and i can't mount my partition. FreeBSD testhost 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:36:49 UTC 2010 root@mason.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 # gvinum printconfig # Vinum configuration of aladar.mzperx.hu, saved at Tue Oct 5 13:06:57 2010 drive disk1 device /dev/ad4s2 drive disk2 device /dev/ad6s2 drive disk3 device /dev/ad8s2 volume user plex name user.p0 org raid5 512s vol user sd name user.p0.s1 drive disk2 len 1869638656s driveoffset 265s plex user.p0 plexoffset 512s sd name user.p0.s2 drive disk3 len 1869638656s driveoffset 265s plex user.p0 plexoffset 1024s # gvinum l 3 drives: D disk1 State: up /dev/ad4s2 A: 912909/912909 MB (100%) D disk2 State: up /dev/ad6s2 A: 0/912909 MB (0%) D disk3 State: up /dev/ad8s2 A: 0/912909 MB (0%) 1 volume: V user State: up Plexes: 1 Size: 891 GB 1 plex: P user.p0 R5 State: up Subdisks: 2 Size: 891 GB 2 subdisks: S user.p0.s1 State: up D: disk2 Size: 891 GB S user.p0.s2 State: up D: disk3 Size: 891 GB How can I re-add my disk ? Thanks! Aron From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 11:18:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8CA106564A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emss.mail@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56548FC0C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so8024244wwb.31 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:18:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received :x-virus-scanned:received:received:to:subject:from :x-operating-system:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FoJgR1Yn4boUfbgA6mO0sUlNvFgAWixFxzBF3h8krD8=; b=MM13ICs8JW8fyqChCf8Qha4sBFD1HK2ntoJPOErl2Q7bDq4440Ii1j+ce+UZ4qYJqg cODdQOds1FfgsGsdcBGKB9xnae9SdDkDdertQl+krjEnZ1UR2V7DI0772G42+j+v2xMc zwqt2q0h1SI9ztYuyCpSZ2cIoxY7nxpjEBURo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:x-virus-scanned:to:subject:from:x-operating-system:date :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=jb/Xq1Ro8G4zSTfFLt8/9kjIQGZI/j7tVmlFncxUOlhx3m66+oyj6++Z0zxds9Lw8w l6d2fD7CxgJ8eFSpRwHY+9267Uhc4reiXYB4wQXyielcsw/XOjCq23hMhxvQAK9LdIvE z/BDKx4n/SvO0+Q3HJ83xgtNXMKhXP3tDhP7Y= Received: by 10.216.236.149 with SMTP id w21mr9003793weq.65.1286277527463; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (LCaen-151-92-21-48.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr [217.128.200.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b10sm3805729wer.41.2010.10.05.04.18.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Eric Masson Received: from srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB4F1D27C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:18:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at interne.associated-bears.org Received: from srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org ([127.0.0.1]) by srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2PP-ZqzEze-j for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:18:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B9B1C1CDAB; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:18:38 +0200 (CEST) To: FreeBSD Questions From: Eric Masson X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:18:38 +0200 Message-ID: <86d3ronb01.fsf@srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1008 (Gnus v5.10.8) XEmacs/21.5-b28 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Custom rc script using /usr/sbin/daemon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:18:49 -0000 Hello, I'm trying to create a script that would launch php-cgi in fastcgi mode. So far, I've the following script : #!/bin/sh # # PROVIDE: phpfastcgi # REQUIRE: DAEMON # KEYWORD: shutdown # # Add the following lines to /etc/rc.conf to enable phpfastcgi : # # phpfastcgi_enable (bool): Set it to "YES" to enable phpfastcgi # Default is "NO". # phpfastcgi_flags (str): Set the uwsgi command line arguments # Default is "-M -L". . /etc/rc.subr name="phpfastcgi" rcvar=`set_rcvar` [ -z "$phpfastcgi_enable" ] && phpfastcgi_enable="NO" [ -z "$phpfastcgi_flags" ] && phpfastcgi_flags="" load_rc_config $name sig_stop="TERM" pidfile="/var/run/${name}/${name}.pid" command="/usr/sbin/daemon -f -p ${pidfile} /usr/local/bin/php-cgi" run_rc_command "$1" When invoked with start argument, it barfs at me but launches php-cgi as expected : emss@srvbsdfenssv:~> sudo /usr/local/etc/rc.d/phpfastcgi start /usr/local/etc/rc.d/phpfastcgi: WARNING: no shebang line in /usr/sbin/daemon [: /usr/sbin/daemon: unexpected operator Starting phpfastcgi. When invoked with stop argument, it errors and doesn't stop the process as expected : emss@srvbsdfenssv:~> sudo /usr/local/etc/rc.d/phpfastcgi stop /usr/local/etc/rc.d/phpfastcgi: WARNING: no shebang line in /usr/sbin/daemon phpfastcgi not running? (check /var/run/phpfastcgi/phpfastcgi.pid). >From a quick peek at /etc/rc.subr, it seems that messages regarding lack of shebang line in /usr/sbin/daemon indicate something is wrong in my script but atm, I can't figure it. Any idea, anyone ? Kind Regards Éric Masson -- RJ> j'ai eu des cookies sur mon HD et j'ai un peu peur des représailles Il faut reformater ton disque dur et le jetter depuis le 3e étage de la tour Eiffel pour le détruire irrémédiablement sans laisser de traces. -+- LP in : Par ici ou parano c'est pareil -+- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 11:31:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCB71065673 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:31:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984E48FC20 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP206 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:31:11 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [71.77.39.64] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([71.77.39.64]) by BLU0-SMTP206.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:31:10 -0700 Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E42EE54835 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:31:08 -0400 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2010 11:31:10.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF3EC520:01CB6480] Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:31:14 -0000 On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 01:44:17 +0200 Gonzalo Nemmi articulated: > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Leandro F Silva > wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? > > Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. > > > > Thank you ! > > Linux Mandriva 2010 on my notebook (Dell 1318) and Mandriva 2010.1 on > my netbook (Compaq mini CQ10-120LA) ... > > I need ACPI to work as expected and no BSD can give me that, and the > same goes for wireless cards support .. forget bout bluetotth ... > besides, dumping a Linux .iso image in a USB stick to give it a go on > my notebook/netbook to try it out before installing was incredibly > more easy than doing so with BSD images as most major Linux > distributions provide Win/Linux GUI tools to do so (The Mandriva tool > will ask you to select an .iso image and a USB ... point, click, you > are done ... Fedoras tool will even allow you to create a a separate > partition on the same USB device to store your files should you choose > not to install the OS). > > Linux (as much as I don´t like it) is years ahead of BSD´s in that > regards ... > > And, oh yeah .. native UTF-8 tty´s and KVM make a huge difference. > > FreeBSD has been relegated to my desktop (which I have come to use > only ocassionally, and servers). > > Best Regards > Gonzalo Nemmi I have been tooling around with FreeBSD for a year or so now and I find it incredible that there is virtually no support for modern hardware; i.e., drivers for 'N' protocol devices. That one factor alone, and there are others, precludes me from seriously thinking about installing FreeBSD on a new laptop. The one PC that I have FreeBSD installed on is connected via Ethernet cable to my LAN. Once that PC is replaced by year's end with a more powerful, and wireless enabled unit, I am afraid my experiment with FreeBSD will come to a close. At present it certainly will not support the wireless card installed, and I am not even sure if it will support all of the other hardware either. I realize that at this point someone will inevitably chime in and play the "blame the manufacturers" whine. If that were factually correct, then no one else would be able to supply drivers and support for hardware that FreeBSD has left orphaned. The bottom line is that FreeBSD, if it is to continue to be considered a viable alternative operating system, must stay current in today's market. Many posts that I have viewed on other forums seem to feel that FreeBSD is sadly, whether do to bad choices such as those related to GPL licenses, or failure to properly gage today's market trends, is slipping into an abyss. -- Carmel ✌ carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 12:01:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C6E106564A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:01:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt.thyer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB1F8FC13 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk1 with SMTP id 1so1014825pzk.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:01:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hpKCFwnpeFEcGAQwBZQI7/v/N/52OjTiNm0GJJHVazc=; b=bZgZEiQlYqvo+bPy+GYZv31PsHSTzOn9QGtV91KGuKIAgh7y1tJjGmtJBFXrWscf4j Bcgf0n3moFfompjigWWvfJVmXuAyyb7zWMkoALcTSDkhvCCGLOzIeRJqXosUYKq63USf N73Bq2iyXAsonZma7A8d6nycc+iEruLmQynGE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=WapE7SenKFcl+IFpzAkqdNMD9UwzR73thgGzoqUhjPyk8NFmeJ566L6ZdpaBATdjcA 3O5lib/vl9vMYuVvtoVhKIB6iOZWBEX046qnUem1DVxlUNZLtvFUKi5t6o56FgQ78PWK ynR5s5Fv6RvoARbVhPdw1HG6tf2In7kzbuHtk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.25.5 with SMTP id 5mr13472057way.137.1286278536834; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.191.139 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:05:36 +1030 Message-ID: From: Matt Thyer To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Is /boot updated by "make installkernel" or by "make installworld" ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:01:37 -0000 Background I'm running a ZFS FreeBSD-STABLE system on Western Digital 2TB EARS models green drives. These are the so called "Advanced Format Drives" that use a 4KiB block size internally but lie about this to the operating system and claim to use 512 byte blocks. This causes all sorts of performance issues so after some experimentation I ended up creating my ZFS pool directly on gnop 4KiB block size devices on top of the raw disks themselves. To avoid having to run a separate boot disk, I've used a work around of a 1GB USB stick which contains just /boot with the /boot/kernel directory containing only "kernel", "opensolaris.ko", "zfs.ko" & "aio.ko" (for samba 3.4 using async I/O). This requires only 14MB on the USB stick and boots nicely with the USB /boot/loader.conf telling the kernel to mount root from the ZFS pool. P.S. Don't forget to use DOS "wdidle3" to increase the 8 second head parking timeout up to 5 minutes with these drives. Now how to update the system ? My update world script follows the recommended procedure in the source Makefiles for updating the system and does an install kernel before rebooting into single user mode to install the new world (via an /etc/rc.d/ script). So my question relates to when I should update my USB stick's /boot directory. I'm assuming that the /boot directory should be owned by the kernel and could be updated by a "make installkernel" (which is what I do after building the world but before my reboot into single user to install the world). Is my assumption correct ? i.e. does a "make installkernel" replace the contents of "/boot" ? or is "/boot" updated by a "make installworld" ? Matt. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 13:06:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D22106564A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:06:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5418FC2A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from overdrive.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0308CF7427; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 08:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 08:46:40 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Yuri Message-Id: <20101005084640.0f83f461.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <4CAAB47F.10908@rawbw.com> References: <4CAAB47F.10908@rawbw.com> Organization: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.0.3 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I know how many packets were lost and resent on particular TCP connection? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:06:39 -0000 In response to Yuri : > Just curious if I can do this. netstat -s gives you system-wide stats. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 13:12:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EFD106564A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B6D8FC08 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so8150238wwb.31 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:12:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MdskR/gWw67asfydO0eDfwWJjVLPeosPxADq2LuXNFM=; b=T2nOPwC/Afy9fexW12aCKkg9wl+u6xyXnHxcoPveTGK1Rhtt3eESC0dNcTY+v3rRv/ NEjxIAOHYCBouHMXRMt+W49LMXnLMfDhURz7uWrfjmNQqZkyKmls0XP+BCCBgsA+Fc9s xOgf6vWMZ9lEXEUzegVbWPIcm/C8v4m4T6Ofc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D4UB2dEgzPenzymvMNz1e678gpPQsIbKzlc9k9NAAI8Mev3hKvD4mLPkVaBYA0+Suo bJTmY4N3dhBJ8nR9SKxVjqmtVgnE4CIcpD9/Q0LBEYC5mn3OpwhJQPexXppFOqp7WXZL 15WfhcneWKCK5mmS/vlHM5u1mboCMX2tjUdds= Received: by 10.227.152.75 with SMTP id f11mr9125278wbw.191.1286284323683; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e31sm5338614wbe.5.2010.10.05.06.12.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:11:58 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101005141158.4730dab3@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <86d3ronb01.fsf@srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org> References: <86d3ronb01.fsf@srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Custom rc script using /usr/sbin/daemon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:12:05 -0000 On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:18:38 +0200 Eric Masson wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to create a script that would launch php-cgi in fastcgi > mode. So far, I've the following script : > >... > > sig_stop="TERM" > pidfile="/var/run/${name}/${name}.pid" > command="/usr/sbin/daemon -f -p ${pidfile} /usr/local/bin/php-cgi" I don't think you can do it like that. IIRC when you try to stop a daemon it doesn't just kill the process by pid, it also sanity checks the command in case the daemon has died and the pid was reused. Since "daemon" wont show-up in the ps output it can't be in the command variable. I think you need to write a start function, something like this: start_cmd="phpfastcgi_start" command="/usr/local/bin/php-cgi" phpfastcgi_start(){ echo "starting phpfastcgi." /usr/sbin/daemon -f -p ${pidfile} ${command} } From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 13:18:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CD9106564A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:18:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF188FC15 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 9857108; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 09:18:52 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.221] (account jon@radel.com HELO braeburn.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 9857105 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 09:18:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4CAB25B1.6050906@radel.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 09:18:41 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090302090501070305090702" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:18:53 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090302090501070305090702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/5/10 7:31 AM, Carmel wrote: > > I realize that at this point someone will inevitably chime in and play > the "blame the manufacturers" whine. If that were factually correct, > then no one else would be able to supply drivers and support for > hardware that FreeBSD has left orphaned. > I'm somewhat unclear on how that follows. Might it not be that many=20 manufacturers, busily dealing with Microsoft, and easing into Linux now=20 that it has significant "mindshare," have simply decided that there's no = economic benefit to releasing detailed hardware specs in a form that=20 works for FreeBSD developers? I really fail to see why you think the=20 fact that the manufacturer itself has released binary drivers for=20 Windows, and possibly Linux, and/or released hardware specs under NDA=20 (non-disclosure agreement) to certain business partners, has any bearing = on whether sufficient information to write a driver is available to any=20 FreeBSD programmer with permission to use it to write an open source driv= er. --=20 --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms090302090501070305090702-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 13:20:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677DC1065695 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:20:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (fed1rmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.241.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E708FC17 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101005132035.ESFL16314.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 09:20:35 -0400 Received: from asus64 ([72.220.91.53]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id F1La1f00G194WAG031La0h; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 09:20:34 -0400 X-VR-Score: -90.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=PyPhBskYoaHflNqPyNkGzxEHMB/j16Lz16eTzQWlCdI= c=1 sm=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kGT7vLq0O+GHAcZnhcuE1w==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=mNL-uGBdAAAA:8 a=EOBNlX3qDMkYk1iW3x8A:9 a=MCbwJIICU1QMChOIGuIA:7 a=gu8Qxg5X1m2cunsY6EGW_rBRtsIA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=XZENvOEyztAA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=jKRid43F7UoA:10 a=kGT7vLq0O+GHAcZnhcuE1w==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:20:29 -0700 From: Robert Message-ID: <20101005062029.3355deed@asus64> In-Reply-To: <20101004075221.7709740c@asus64> References: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101003142935.3d751862@asus64> <20101004123413.8e7cf859.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101004070858.3a101fa3@asus64> <20101004163225.34099bb8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101004075221.7709740c@asus64> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:20:36 -0000 On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:52:21 -0700 Robert wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:32:25 +0200 > Polytropon wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:08:58 -0700, Robert > > wrote: > > > I have now a free 1TB drive for use. It is formatted as UFS. > > > Should I remove formatting before I dd the 500GB drive to it? > > > > Not needed, as you're going to use it under the control of FreeBSD. > > After formatting and mounting it, let's say as /mnt, use dd (or > > ddrescue) to first get an 1:1 copy of the source disk. > > > > It is being performed even as we "speak". Update [root@asus64] ~# dd if=/dev/da1 of=/1tb/disk500.img bs=1m 476940+1 records in 476940+1 records out 500107862016 bytes transferred in 47027.134085 secs (10634453 bytes/sec) ~ 14 hours later here is what I have. [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /1tb total 488625218 drwxrwxr-x 2 root operator 512 Jan 19 2010 .snap -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 500107862016 Oct 5 01:07 disk500.img ^^^^^^^^^^^^ [root@asus64] ~# mdconfig -a -t vnode -u 12 -f /1tb/disk500.img [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /dev/md* crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 129 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 130 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10s1 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 131 Oct 5 05:55 /dev/md12 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 133 Oct 5 05:55 /dev/md12s1 crw------- 1 root wheel 0, 66 Oct 1 14:43 /dev/mdctl [root@asus64] ~# mount_ntfs /dev/md12s1 /mnt mount_ntfs: /dev/md12s1: Invalid argument [root@asus64] ~# mount_ntfs /dev/md12 /mnt [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /mnt total 70044 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2560 Dec 31 1600 $AttrDef -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $BadClus -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4194304 Dec 31 1600 $Bitmap -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8192 Oct 1 09:09 $Boot drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Extend -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 67108864 Oct 1 09:09 $LogFile -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4096 Oct 1 09:09 $MFTMirr -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Dec 31 1600 $Secure -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 131072 Oct 1 09:09 $UpCase -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Volume -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 45124 Aug 18 2001 NTDETECT.COM drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 17:29 System Volume Information -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 193 Oct 1 09:12 boot.ini -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 222368 Aug 18 2001 ntldr [root@asus64] ~# umount /mnt [root@asus64] ~# mount /dev/md12s1 /mnt [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /mnt total 0 [root@asus64] ~# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/label/rootfs 989M 523M 387M 57% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/label/home 9.7G 2.0G 6.9G 22% /home /dev/label/slice2 56G 53G -1.4G 103% /slice2 /dev/label/slice3 56G 4.0K 52G 0% /slice3 /dev/label/slice4 56G 39G 13G 76% /slice4 /dev/label/spare 20G 6.0K 18G 0% /spare /dev/label/tmp 484M 22M 423M 5% /tmp /dev/label/usr 20G 7.5G 11G 40% /usr /dev/label/var 989M 158M 752M 17% /var /dev/label/500ext 451G 153G 262G 37% /500ext /dev/label/1tb 902G 466G 364G 56% /1tb /dev/ad12s1d 226G 59G 149G 28% /250extra /dev/md12s1 451G 32G 383G 8% /mnt ^^^ Everything is exactly the same as when I tried only 60GB. I am now going to zero the 1TB drive and dd the 500GB drive to it. dd if=/dev/da1 of=/dev/ad6 bs=1m I will then try windows chkdsk on the 1TB drive. Thanks to everyone who has added input. If I can get this working I will summarize what it took to solve this puzzle. Henry wrote: And still the wife doesn't suspect? Of course she knows that the computer died and that I am in the process of recovering all of her data. I re-installed XP Pro on another computer and moved what data I did save onto it. She is happy that she can check email, balance her check book and play on Facebook. :-) We will be drinking wine tonight. To be continued. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 13:25:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B451065673 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:25:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@exonetric.com) Received: from relay0.exonetric.net (relay0.exonetric.net [82.138.248.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D86C8FC19 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from markimac.fairfx.local (unknown [62.244.179.66]) by relay0.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C46C57022; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:25:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4CAB2731.9090502@exonetric.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:25:05 +0100 From: Mark Blackman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.13) Gecko/20100914 SeaMonkey/2.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Radel References: <4CAB25B1.6050906@radel.com> In-Reply-To: <4CAB25B1.6050906@radel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:25:08 -0000 Jon Radel wrote: > I'm somewhat unclear on how that follows. Might it not be that many > manufacturers, busily dealing with Microsoft, and easing into Linux now > that it has significant "mindshare," have simply decided that there's no > economic benefit to releasing detailed hardware specs in a form that > works for FreeBSD developers? I really fail to see why you think the > fact that the manufacturer itself has released binary drivers for > Windows, and possibly Linux, and/or released hardware specs under NDA > (non-disclosure agreement) to certain business partners, has any bearing > on whether sufficient information to write a driver is available to any > FreeBSD programmer with permission to use it to write an open source > driver. There's also the whole train of thought that says FreeBSD isn't really aimed at the desktop/laptop/notebook use model and any benefit in that arena is entirely coincidental. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 13:34:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBABB1065693 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:34:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8058F8FC1A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-226-229.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.226.229]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CF11EA77; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:34:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o95DYfCb002319; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:34:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:34:41 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Robert Message-Id: <20101005153441.2be39706.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101005062029.3355deed@asus64> References: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101003142935.3d751862@asus64> <20101004123413.8e7cf859.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101004070858.3a101fa3@asus64> <20101004163225.34099bb8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101004075221.7709740c@asus64> <20101005062029.3355deed@asus64> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:34:44 -0000 On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:20:29 -0700, Robert wrote: > Update > > [root@asus64] ~# dd if=/dev/da1 of=/1tb/disk500.img bs=1m > 476940+1 records in > 476940+1 records out > 500107862016 bytes transferred in 47027.134085 secs (10634453 bytes/sec) > > ~ 14 hours later here is what I have. > > [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /1tb > total 488625218 > drwxrwxr-x 2 root operator 512 Jan 19 2010 .snap > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 500107862016 Oct 5 01:07 disk500.img > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ You got a copy of the entire disk. This is GOOD as you're not missing something important. > [root@asus64] ~# mdconfig -a -t vnode -u 12 -f /1tb/disk500.img > [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /dev/md* > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 129 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 130 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 131 Oct 5 05:55 /dev/md12 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 133 Oct 5 05:55 /dev/md12s1 > crw------- 1 root wheel 0, 66 Oct 1 14:43 /dev/mdctl Erm... erm erm erm!!! After using a md file that is connected to an image file, and you purge the image file, destroy the md file. Use "mdconfig -d -u 10" for unit 10, for example. See details in "man mdconfig". > [root@asus64] ~# mount_ntfs /dev/md12s1 /mnt > mount_ntfs: /dev/md12s1: Invalid argument This is the 1st "primary partition" with NTFS content, this one can't be mounted. > [root@asus64] ~# mount_ntfs /dev/md12 /mnt > [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /mnt > total 70044 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2560 Dec 31 1600 $AttrDef > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $BadClus > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4194304 Dec 31 1600 $Bitmap > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8192 Oct 1 09:09 $Boot > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Extend > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 67108864 Oct 1 09:09 $LogFile > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4096 Oct 1 09:09 $MFTMirr > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Dec 31 1600 $Secure > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 131072 Oct 1 09:09 $UpCase > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Volume > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 45124 Aug 18 2001 NTDETECT.COM > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 17:29 System Volume > Information > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 193 Oct 1 09:12 boot.ini > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 222368 Aug 18 2001 ntldr > [root@asus64] ~# umount /mnt This is the second NTFS volume, can be mounted. > [root@asus64] ~# mount /dev/md12s1 /mnt Why can the first one NOW be mounted??? > [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /mnt > total 0 > [root@asus64] ~# df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/label/rootfs 989M 523M 387M 57% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > /dev/label/home 9.7G 2.0G 6.9G 22% /home > /dev/label/slice2 56G 53G -1.4G 103% /slice2 > /dev/label/slice3 56G 4.0K 52G 0% /slice3 > /dev/label/slice4 56G 39G 13G 76% /slice4 > /dev/label/spare 20G 6.0K 18G 0% /spare > /dev/label/tmp 484M 22M 423M 5% /tmp > /dev/label/usr 20G 7.5G 11G 40% /usr > /dev/label/var 989M 158M 752M 17% /var > /dev/label/500ext 451G 153G 262G 37% /500ext > /dev/label/1tb 902G 466G 364G 56% /1tb > /dev/ad12s1d 226G 59G 149G 28% /250extra > /dev/md12s1 451G 32G 383G 8% /mnt > ^^^ This looks like "missing data". In terms of UFS file system, one would say that there a inodes not referenced, but still occupied as they are not marked as being free. Sadly, I have *zero* knowledge about NTFS to make an interpretation about what we see here... > Everything is exactly the same as when I tried only 60GB. I am now > going to zero the 1TB drive and dd the 500GB drive to it. > dd if=/dev/da1 of=/dev/ad6 bs=1m > I will then try windows chkdsk on the 1TB drive. Maybe you need - after this transfer - to write the 512 byte blocks at the beginning separately (dd if=/dev/da1 of=/dev/ad6 bs=512 count=1)? Because of MBR and such? > Thanks to everyone who has added input. If I can get this working I > will summarize what it took to solve this puzzle. Good luck! -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 13:35:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69690106566B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from d.mail.ru.ac.za (d.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6F08FC08 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:35:02 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=qLqIM8Rc+X07xmXjoI1eRMlcMV1hltd9QR3+zH6FiaxJ/cPDgzktQue2xAazH55FG7HwgEDtfYJscqUs+2DdTgLOSWLwciWsUewhXNhEHUXTK1jPHmceZo6Sv+Q0054V; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:51760) by d.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1P37fX-000HuY-JV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:34:59 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:31:48 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: In-Reply-To: X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: d.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:4) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:35:03 -0000 On Tuesday 05 October 2010 13:31:08 Carmel wrote: > I have been tooling around with FreeBSD for a year or so now and I find > it incredible that there is virtually no support for modern hardware; > i.e., drivers for 'N' protocol devices. That one factor alone, and there > are others, precludes me from seriously thinking about installing > FreeBSD on a new laptop. The one PC that I have FreeBSD installed on is > connected via Ethernet cable to my LAN. Once that PC is replaced by > year's end with a more powerful, and wireless enabled unit, I am afraid > my experiment with FreeBSD will come to a close. At present it > certainly will not support the wireless card installed, and I am not > even sure if it will support all of the other hardware either. > > I realize that at this point someone will inevitably chime in and play > the "blame the manufacturers" whine. If that were factually correct, > then no one else would be able to supply drivers and support for > hardware that FreeBSD has left orphaned. > > The bottom line is that FreeBSD, if it is to continue to be considered > a viable alternative operating system, must stay current in today's > market. Many posts that I have viewed on other forums seem to feel that > FreeBSD is sadly, whether do to bad choices such as those related to GPL > licenses, or failure to properly gage today's market trends, is slipping > into an abyss. So. What's the connection between freebsd.user@seibercom.net, carmel_ny@hotmail.com and gesbbb@yahoo.com, who all post through scorpio.seibercom.net, and who all have remarkably similar views on why FreeBSD is a pile of rubbish? And in terms of keeping my killfile reasonably effective, is there any easy way to filter out /all/ the sockpuppets at once? Or do I just need to keep adding them one at a time? Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 13:47:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B2D1065674 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:47:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6CA8FC08 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz15 with SMTP id 15so6022242bwz.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=4qcwHAUOlkJ3lqKgF2WV6ma61pwCpVDVkd63Y1LJyoc=; b=x/QG2QXdYGMeeLwPZj680LhJln351qOWFRO1G4fR+K72JkNqYbMrWOqDHUXWuWefAR U/M9jHvaMNWlWwQVcOtBBUVi4+p/aFgW+WIkYz91Hevb3tWVNs51FrlcPM9SCUtkQBgj PMwqyhsb1/Od36JnNXgBPIn+6CPbXQuAjFjFI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; b=FbVjJgc/BhTWMSAqqk00lSnQuWa/QZYADG1RMW/XiFF4exgY2QXMlhQLCky/jHJYMo OFxzjieoBoDz1uxwOG8aPr7eKnsSneYbsX47/a0Q287rJVejwbpYls7/jvtIHtsLph8F Qe24zoEEcpmywxfUFdV7AD30j/8m9sXtZyXys= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.67.77 with SMTP id q13mr8350233bki.214.1286286456741; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.59.137 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201010051531.48300.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> References: <201010051531.48300.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 09:47:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: Pierre-Luc Drouin Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:47:38 -0000 Well, according to me FreeBSD works very well on desktops (except for CUDA), but I agree that its usage is extremely limited for laptops and netbooks. If I can't use ACPI or wireless on my laptop/netbook, I don't really see the point... Over the past 6 years I have tried many times to use FreeBSD on my laptops/netbooks but these problems always made me fall back to Linux... I still use FreeBSD as the only OS on my desktop computers though... On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Tuesday 05 October 2010 13:31:08 Carmel wrote: > > > I have been tooling around with FreeBSD for a year or so now and I find > > it incredible that there is virtually no support for modern hardware; > > i.e., drivers for 'N' protocol devices. That one factor alone, and there > > are others, precludes me from seriously thinking about installing > > FreeBSD on a new laptop. The one PC that I have FreeBSD installed on is > > connected via Ethernet cable to my LAN. Once that PC is replaced by > > year's end with a more powerful, and wireless enabled unit, I am afraid > > my experiment with FreeBSD will come to a close. At present it > > certainly will not support the wireless card installed, and I am not > > even sure if it will support all of the other hardware either. > > > > I realize that at this point someone will inevitably chime in and play > > the "blame the manufacturers" whine. If that were factually correct, > > then no one else would be able to supply drivers and support for > > hardware that FreeBSD has left orphaned. > > > > The bottom line is that FreeBSD, if it is to continue to be considered > > a viable alternative operating system, must stay current in today's > > market. Many posts that I have viewed on other forums seem to feel that > > FreeBSD is sadly, whether do to bad choices such as those related to GPL > > licenses, or failure to properly gage today's market trends, is slipping > > into an abyss. > > So. What's the connection between freebsd.user@seibercom.net, > carmel_ny@hotmail.com and gesbbb@yahoo.com, who all post through > scorpio.seibercom.net, and who all have remarkably similar views on why > FreeBSD is a pile of rubbish? > > And in terms of keeping my killfile reasonably effective, is there any easy > way to filter out /all/ the sockpuppets at once? Or do I just need to keep > adding them one at a time? > > Jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 14:28:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F125106564A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (fed1rmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.241.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3027A8FC2A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101005142809.GHFA16314.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:28:09 -0400 Received: from asus64 ([72.220.91.53]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id F2U91f00H194WAG032U9WR; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:28:09 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=PyPhBskYoaHflNqPyNkGzxEHMB/j16Lz16eTzQWlCdI= c=1 sm=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kGT7vLq0O+GHAcZnhcuE1w==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=mNL-uGBdAAAA:8 a=lXuoJryASOrovekeslsA:9 a=X_NClCc5GeoDpbYv5XQA:7 a=orCqaBdUTsUD861m5TXECwbJY5cA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=XZENvOEyztAA:10 a=jKRid43F7UoA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=kGT7vLq0O+GHAcZnhcuE1w==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:28:04 -0700 From: Robert To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20101005072804.1b7cc7f2@asus64> In-Reply-To: <20101005153441.2be39706.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201010031319.o93DJaDE005892@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101003100051.23e2cc77@asus64> <20101003194045.849d6419.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101003142935.3d751862@asus64> <20101004123413.8e7cf859.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101004070858.3a101fa3@asus64> <20101004163225.34099bb8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101004075221.7709740c@asus64> <20101005062029.3355deed@asus64> <20101005153441.2be39706.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: fdisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:28:10 -0000 On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:34:41 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:20:29 -0700, Robert wrote: > > Update > > > > [root@asus64] ~# dd if=/dev/da1 of=/1tb/disk500.img bs=1m > > 476940+1 records in > > 476940+1 records out > > 500107862016 bytes transferred in 47027.134085 secs (10634453 > > bytes/sec) > > > > ~ 14 hours later here is what I have. > > > > [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /1tb > > total 488625218 > > drwxrwxr-x 2 root operator 512 Jan 19 2010 .snap > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 500107862016 Oct 5 01:07 disk500.img > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > You got a copy of the entire disk. This is GOOD as you're not > missing something important. > > > > > [root@asus64] ~# mdconfig -a -t vnode -u 12 -f /1tb/disk500.img > > [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /dev/md* > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 129 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 130 Oct 4 06:43 /dev/md10s1 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 131 Oct 5 05:55 /dev/md12 > > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 133 Oct 5 05:55 /dev/md12s1 > > crw------- 1 root wheel 0, 66 Oct 1 14:43 /dev/mdctl > > Erm... erm erm erm!!! After using a md file that is connected to > an image file, and you purge the image file, destroy the md file. > Use "mdconfig -d -u 10" for unit 10, for example. See details in > "man mdconfig". > > > > > [root@asus64] ~# mount_ntfs /dev/md12s1 /mnt > > mount_ntfs: /dev/md12s1: Invalid argument > > This is the 1st "primary partition" with NTFS content, this one > can't be mounted. As ntfs. > > > > > [root@asus64] ~# mount_ntfs /dev/md12 /mnt > > [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /mnt > > total 70044 > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2560 Dec 31 1600 $AttrDef > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $BadClus > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4194304 Dec 31 1600 $Bitmap > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8192 Oct 1 09:09 $Boot > > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Extend > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 67108864 Oct 1 09:09 $LogFile > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4096 Oct 1 09:09 $MFTMirr > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Dec 31 1600 $Secure > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 131072 Oct 1 09:09 $UpCase > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 09:09 $Volume > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 45124 Aug 18 2001 NTDETECT.COM > > drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Oct 1 17:29 System Volume > > Information > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 193 Oct 1 09:12 boot.ini > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 222368 Aug 18 2001 ntldr > > [root@asus64] ~# umount /mnt > > This is the second NTFS volume, can be mounted. Without any of the data. > > > > > [root@asus64] ~# mount /dev/md12s1 /mnt > > Why can the first one NOW be mounted??? As ufs!!!! > > > > > [root@asus64] ~# ls -l /mnt > > total 0 > > [root@asus64] ~# df -h > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/label/rootfs 989M 523M 387M 57% / > > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > > /dev/label/home 9.7G 2.0G 6.9G 22% /home > > /dev/label/slice2 56G 53G -1.4G 103% /slice2 > > /dev/label/slice3 56G 4.0K 52G 0% /slice3 > > /dev/label/slice4 56G 39G 13G 76% /slice4 > > /dev/label/spare 20G 6.0K 18G 0% /spare > > /dev/label/tmp 484M 22M 423M 5% /tmp > > /dev/label/usr 20G 7.5G 11G 40% /usr > > /dev/label/var 989M 158M 752M 17% /var > > /dev/label/500ext 451G 153G 262G 37% /500ext > > /dev/label/1tb 902G 466G 364G 56% /1tb > > /dev/ad12s1d 226G 59G 149G 28% /250extra > > /dev/md12s1 451G 32G 383G 8% /mnt > > ^^^ > > This looks like "missing data". In terms of UFS file system, one > would say that there a inodes not referenced, but still occupied > as they are not marked as being free. > > Sadly, I have *zero* knowledge about NTFS to make an interpretation > about what we see here... > > Good luck! Thanks for that :-) > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 14:29:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355251065670 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:29:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from a.mail.ru.ac.za (a.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECE58FC13 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:29:43 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=To8MezXj4MDNtKyu9IOPssdSu8dMDsGACYRd7vn1kYsRepIVNv8lcOvGPr4PIdKab6z3IKvnTdkkKmLLCEEpP21j36LKCdRE50Fxfae5RvChbE91njJPt5pMBGhacKoV; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:54897) by a.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1P38WT-000Fqr-4m for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:29:41 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:28:55 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <201010051531.48300.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> In-Reply-To: X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?iso-8859-1?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=3B=7E!42HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?iso-8859-1?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: a.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:1) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:29:46 -0000 On Tuesday 05 October 2010 15:47:36 Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > > On Tuesday 05 October 2010 13:31:08 Carmel wrote: > > > I have been tooling around with FreeBSD for a year or so now and I find > > > it incredible that there is virtually no support for modern hardware; > > > i.e., drivers for 'N' protocol devices. [snip] > > > I realize that at this point someone will inevitably chime in and play > > > the "blame the manufacturers" whine. If that were factually correct, > > > then no one else would be able to supply drivers and support for > > > hardware that FreeBSD has left orphaned. > > > > So. What's the connection between freebsd.user@seibercom.net, > > carmel_ny@hotmail.com and gesbbb@yahoo.com, who all post through > > scorpio.seibercom.net, and who all have remarkably similar views on why > > FreeBSD is a pile of rubbish? > > > > And in terms of keeping my killfile reasonably effective, is there any > > easy way to filter out /all/ the sockpuppets at once? Or do I just need > > to keep adding them one at a time? > > > Well, according to me FreeBSD works very well on desktops (except for > CUDA), but I agree that its usage is extremely limited for laptops and > netbooks. If I can't use ACPI or wireless on my laptop/netbook, I don't > really see the point... Over the past 6 years I have tried many times to > use FreeBSD on my laptops/netbooks but these problems always made me fall > back to Linux... I still use FreeBSD as the only OS on my desktop computers > though... I'm not disputing that there are things not supported on/by FreeBSD that it would be nice to see working. I'm just getting bored with hearing very similar whinges, posted from multiple email addresses but apparently all from the same person: look at http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-December/209946.html and then http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-December/209966.html Both messages are sent from carmel_ny at hotmail.com. They have the identical ascii-art flag in the sigblock. One is signed Carmel (carmel at hotmail.com), the other Jerry (gesbbb at yahoo.com). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 15:17:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2A3106566C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:17:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA968FC1C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.128.143.53]) by hrndva-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20101005150358992.EZMX7732@hrndva-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:03:58 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=iGF3DqghDyT/uy4mV2LvOKNXCATMSjL+tOl9cucoGVk= c=1 sm=0 a=iv_FGcSvvugA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=02fl1sNAWVw4WL3Wmu4WJA==:17 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=H-_ZQhxsR5OA6ILr6QEA:9 a=oxDnA0tiEO5JxudtwQutHu0olUQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=02fl1sNAWVw4WL3Wmu4WJA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.87.219.217 Received: from [75.87.219.217] ([75.87.219.217:53948] helo=haran.polands.org) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 86/51-27923-02E3BAC4; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:02:57 +0000 Received: from ararat.polands.org (ararat.polands.org [172.16.1.20]) by haran.polands.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o95F2tfJ072594; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:02:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from ararat.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ararat.polands.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o95F2tvJ036834; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:02:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp@ararat.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by ararat.polands.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o95F2smh036833; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:02:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:02:54 -0500 From: Doug Poland To: Ryan Coleman Message-ID: <20101005150254.GA61709@polands.org> References: <20101004221506.GA8662@polands.org> <20101005035354.GB8662@polands.org> <4CAAAC4A.5060106@boosten.org> <4CAAB89F.70907@infracaninophile.co.uk> <2C683AF7-AFA5-4D5E-8575-19455EBB142B@cwis.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Mailing List , Peter Boosten Subject: Re: OT: Apache as reverse SSL proxy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:17:10 -0000 On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 02:32:11AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > On Oct 5, 2010, at 2:05 AM, Adam Vande More wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> > >> On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:33 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> > >>> Nowadays there is also the possibility of RFC2817 -- in essence > >>> you start an ordinary HTTP session, then issue a STARTTLS command > >>> and upgrade the connection to encrypted. This will allow > >>> name-based virtual hosting with TLS to work as intended. > >>> Unfortunately, last I checked, while apache supports this, most > >>> web browsers do not. > >> > >> Throwing just my two bits in: Apache supports it, as does Firefox, > >> and nothing else (maybe Safari does...). > >> > >> IE definitely does not. I looked into this before opting to go > >> multiple static IPs at home for my webservers. > >> > > > > IE 7+ does however support RFC 3546(SNI), which is the defacto > > standard for accomplishing SSL name based vhosts. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication > > Thanks all for the confirmation and information on apache, vhosts, HTTPS, and reverse proxying. In my situation, the clients are custom written applications on embedded systems. I don't know much about their ability to conform with the latest RFC's but my guess is they will not. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 15:50:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA4D1065695 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:50:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E35E8FC1C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35so2639490yxn.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 08:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.143.21 with SMTP id q21mr344924ybd.142.1286293827358; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 08:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d4sm170240ybi.16.2010.10.05.08.50.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Oct 2010 08:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A443AE54835 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:50:23 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101005115023.54161c2d@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:50:28 -0000 On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:31:48 +0200 Jonathan McKeown articulated: > So. What's the connection between freebsd.user@seibercom.net, > carmel_ny@hotmail.com and gesbbb@yahoo.com, who all post through > scorpio.seibercom.net, and who all have remarkably similar views on > why FreeBSD is a pile of rubbish? We all work in the same salt mine. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 16:26:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C067F106566C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=887f523eb=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-001.utdallas.edu (ip-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917DD8FC13 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:26:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4QAOLrqkyBbgogSWdsb2JhbACUOY4YAQEZBwIgIsUmhUcEhFE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,284,1283749200"; d="scan'208";a="42794119" Received: from zxtm01.utdallas.edu (HELO utd65257.utdallas.edu) ([129.110.10.32]) by ip-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 05 Oct 2010 11:15:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:15:31 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <945E0FD0508CEFE0DAA94BEB@utd65257.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: LibreOffice? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:26:10 -0000 --On Monday, October 04, 2010 21:50:27 -0700 Caleb Stein wrote: > When can we expect it in the ports? Sure. Just submit the port as usual. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 17:23:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8E3106566B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 292288FC13 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 6386 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2010 17:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2010 17:23:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=bUs+mXZwIQNgtRt1X9tfdwydBfdn4Z2IrCQP2xSs6UK0Rb1HA5LBBN1wOORHxkmV+2wg1FR/iNg7PCWTfvX5zSQSKszpTenZauq60ZQ1jd95i9CbOl/RRvwDP7PFtVY7; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3BEY-0004GR-AE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:23:23 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:18:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:18:51 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101005171851.GC70749@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jousvV0MzM2p6OtC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:23:24 -0000 --jousvV0MzM2p6OtC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 01:11:30AM -0300, Leandro F Silva wrote: >=20 > Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? > Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. I'm using FreeBSD on my Lenovo ThinkPad T60. One of the nice things about choosing FreeBSD for my laptop OS of choice is that, unlike MS Windows 7, I do not need to get the latest and greatest hardware to get acceptable performance. Of course, there are downsides to my choice, such as the lack of proper hardware acceleration with an AMD/ATI graphics adapter, but since I have stopped playing World of Warcraft (any computer game bores me after a little while), there is little need for that kind of thing. When deciding what to use, the first thing you need to do is figure out your needs. What kind of hardware do you need to support? How much ACPI support is "enough"? What do you need your software to do? There is no OS that does everything better than any other OS. This applies to Ubuntu, MS Windows, and FreeBSD (and pretty much everything else, too). Because my requirements for hardware are reasonably simple, my requirements for software capabilities take precedent. As such, out of the various OSes with which I am comfortable to some degree, I pretty much get to choose whatever OS I want. Given my requirements for software capabilities, FreeBSD is the obvious choice. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --jousvV0MzM2p6OtC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkyrXfsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXZpQCfTovdbPcpzmlx5C/c2Shh9fqx OCgAn3l+6wgwFR+2ZEGEYFYe1iX0D/4S =2b3M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jousvV0MzM2p6OtC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 17:29:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F0A106566B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phanquochien@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADD08FC0C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so5959518wyb.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:29:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NK85rxSKwO9sjU1P6idU9GjTdQwSuaGDFDsXWAqPFK8=; b=hSmbaQ0JUjcJB0oY+16a6ABJeXrSsHkpzr2T1q7bhNHNquSLzmC/qFAv4jRJWxArYs URTeKoJemZXdNvbKyvg3rWoCBAzLyqBhdtQWwy5lRLnYSydJQE6ksqDssrpXsi19LUmU BBXMst6HTiOOQEz8bn6x9qmwNv/2JVK8IYi18= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AjMGL4JsZdFJvdkaVjz5b9dpK4A6baqHJ8ey0inTkUXNpQwUYTZqaIpXTI6wCM1cUt +tUUHfDWQAeBrVaYuOIaWpPpc5e7joU5/0fgFcomKPL2xxZmJfvtOdAR+pILv3NcDEAS BofQ+nQ0XSoR2b0NoFuwjRE8emNL3Mw4BXnQ0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.142.8 with SMTP id o8mr10181668wbu.16.1286299769748; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.142.194 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:29:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101005171851.GC70749@guilt.hydra> References: <20101005171851.GC70749@guilt.hydra> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:29:29 +0700 Message-ID: From: Phan Quoc Hien To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:29:35 -0000 Hello. I have same question here. My laptop is HP Pavilion dv4 series, can run fine on FreeBSD or other opensource OS? Thanks! On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 01:11:30AM -0300, Leandro F Silva wrote: >> >> Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? >> Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. > > I'm using FreeBSD on my Lenovo ThinkPad T60. =A0One of the nice things > about choosing FreeBSD for my laptop OS of choice is that, unlike MS > Windows 7, I do not need to get the latest and greatest hardware to get > acceptable performance. > > Of course, there are downsides to my choice, such as the lack of proper > hardware acceleration with an AMD/ATI graphics adapter, but since I have > stopped playing World of Warcraft (any computer game bores me after a > little while), there is little need for that kind of thing. > > When deciding what to use, the first thing you need to do is figure out > your needs. =A0What kind of hardware do you need to support? =A0How much = ACPI > support is "enough"? =A0What do you need your software to do? =A0There is= no > OS that does everything better than any other OS. =A0This applies to > Ubuntu, MS Windows, and FreeBSD (and pretty much everything else, too). > > Because my requirements for hardware are reasonably simple, my > requirements for software capabilities take precedent. =A0As such, out of > the various OSes with which I am comfortable to some degree, I pretty > much get to choose whatever OS I want. =A0Given my requirements for > software capabilities, FreeBSD is the obvious choice. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > --=20 Best regards, Mr.Hien E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com Website: www.mrhien.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 17:30:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896101065696 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mubeeshalivm@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432CF8FC08 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so2698824gwb.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:30:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gvkeR/ICM2stCKHEVYFWX+qtIHElzJuhIPFqeqjRMxg=; b=oyCnwfbuiOQ0Absn8FKbeXlfZmrkRjAbqYH9O757HfL0/K+w9bJMImDUDw/kPr6Ux5 Rf6LORQ5ioi94xfac8Vgz2WzESUBnBI2ReuN825pJvtz63aPwWRumeu8CbK4wq4/TlBc I8BVu/BTCCiatBFRECaP8lCcM0Ddoduvs3lEA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hoG4osf2spSNON4QvBGDW0WDeyTYVdKwBX3cWhppVXGB+GY6y08MBD2I4m2N8zWXsF brMDWqckDRWtg1yhzhlueDXSvseeM8pUx7ize8l2X50GLzw343/z6d3xu+NrtE8vMq2f 9HMoTFE2digq2xl1Bv//ui6aq9MB6p7JDyUgw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.169.10 with SMTP id w10mr12428819iby.106.1286298004182; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.166.141 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:00:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201010050055.21381.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> References: <201010050055.21381.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:00:03 +0000 Message-ID: From: Mubeesh ali To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Leandro F Silva , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:30:10 -0000 just dont choose an acer 5745 or any laptop runnning Insyde BIOS ...from my personal experience (BIOS gets stuck at splash screen after BSD install) regards, Mubeesh On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Monday 04 October 2010 12:11:30 Leandro F Silva wrote: >> >> Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? >> Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. > > there is no general answe > You must select an individual model first and see then if the hardware is= supported. > > I use normally FreeBSD 7 or 8 but I installed Fedora on a single machine = as there is no driver for the LAN available in FreeBSD. > > If I remember right, wireless was not a problem there. > > So, choose a model and ask then again. > > Ok, I have FreeBSD 7 running on an older Fujitsu Lifebook. 8.0 gave me pr= oblems with USB. > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 Best=A0 Regards, Mubeesh Ali.V.M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 17:58:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49F91065672 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me@pollux.local.net) Received: from smtpfb2-g21.free.fr (smtpfb2-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74838FC15 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (smtp4-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.4]) by smtpfb2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD485CA8D8C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:40:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pollux.local.net (unknown [82.246.30.233]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FC44C81CB for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:40:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by pollux.local.net (Postfix, from userid 2000) id 8E3E228428; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:40:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:40:18 +0200 From: Harald Weis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101005174018.GA2473@pollux.local.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20100615211740.GA50967@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20100615154956.cfz6ip454w8gcco4@mail.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <07A440BE-D29A-44CA-9F2D-16D1314A8B24@mac.com> <20100615161147.j4gokl7rk8sgwssw@mail.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: concerning flash under freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:58:05 -0000 On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 03:04:00PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Programmer in Training > wrote: > > I will tell Adobe to provide a FreeBSD-native release, though it would be > > nice to know I won't be the only one. I'm actually going right now to do so. > > Good luck with that. Adobe doesn't care about FreeBSD. Never did, > and probably never will. They don't even care about 64-bit Linux users... > > If you absolutely need Flash on FreeBSD, I'd suggest you install > VirtualBox, and inside VirtualBox a Flash-supported OS, like > OpenSolaris (that's what I do when I absolutely need Flash support). > > It's not the cleanest solution, but at least, I don't have to clutter > my FreeBSD system with A LOT of Linux dependencies just to > get a barely working Flash. > > -cpghost. I followed your advice when I discovered your message. No problem to install the opensolaris guest and the flash player. Video seems okay, but there is no sound and I cannot find out why. Needless to say that audio works fine on the host which is still on 8.0-RELEASE-p4 for the time being. I can't imagine that this could be the reason. Thank you in advance for any help. Harald Weis From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 18:08:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B80106564A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:08:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik.ulven@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A08D8FC08 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so1058411qyk.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:08:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=K95Mf6U2lcasBj8jE2cF7OauqfPe9+bD5oDqQ5neOhY=; b=eKSTZsIYzSMhbcDi3/uVYUi/o3772w3ItL6mUcMHuZwfeTnLNpJho0bDlmSu+LRV93 jLmwnSvDKCBHQxIZkxyE+cyVcdoJGxepdVF2FIBZ/in7b2J8nKtktbJYHPJyyaL6l/BG a35NnA9YCHMrY5esvWjHksmumC4nEUJABk6JE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=NY7P0MD+g8SIHvSfpcnhCEBrjTrL6301iquyvJK+5L4R0notNo+UZD0Ix0ECug31hF TjCtj2LTIg9pqXRkY0p9+p7f2/qhw4Up02rGlXMzzIG+aX/OZtdUVRns51AXfwdN8rEZ bRRFE1ICtOZMa8Kooho8u0PcY8+zEHXO/s9Ck= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.246.83 with SMTP id lx19mr8715946qcb.127.1286300386618; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.249.2 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:39:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:39:46 +0200 Message-ID: From: Erik Ulven To: Leandro F Silva Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:08:04 -0000 Hi, I use lenovo thinkpad T400s with freebsd 8.1 amd64 and openbsd 4.8 i386 (snapshot) as dual boot. I'm extremely satisfied with both hardware and the OS's. The laptop is light, doesn't heat up as much as the others I've tried and is very performant. Wireless works very well with both OS's. suspend/resume works most of the time with freebsd, and always with openbsd. built in camera works with openbsd. Most of the special keys (light, suspend, etc) seems to work fine with freebsd. Erik On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Leandro F Silva wrote: > Hi guys, > > Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? > Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. > > Thank you ! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- -------------- mvh. Erik Ulven From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 18:16:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2665A1065670 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:16:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emss.mail@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D95D8FC21 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:16:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb24 with SMTP id 24so39208wwb.31 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:16:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received :x-virus-scanned:received:received:to:cc:subject:from:in-reply-to :references:x-operating-system:date:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cwhgDzftMYtkaEtzpmoVJK7KcTmdHJobKTCiURMXG9g=; b=AeUCOyZ52Eh2GN1b+mcqJXHemvrVAJ2e2AEQDyHGvQeguiV/RlxRNHH1R5lTnhcWNR E9Hga3KqKxy+rssQXi4kgEL9ZZz13M0e2xSX5U4JOhQwpAhTQ6tYg7LkmZ1ZaBZc1Xbi dkQLwDx3FieKQdP+CezUNvBRTWNN48FBfNGmA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:x-virus-scanned:to:cc:subject:from:in-reply-to:references :x-operating-system:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UXB7JTA1PTPexjUUgpp/5EtRWkgP+pcnazbMyg0h/Wqc71XIZE+/D3EBXIfqpRq1ej Os5OpwsO3rC54+FLBPBUh1X1y/gTaiGs/iljp8OOi4h1N+s3awImkPwM3D0GzIPn1R9p I7rm1Z8okN+T8AhKuuSI5kZ29+pXkvt2t5G7g= Received: by 10.227.151.193 with SMTP id d1mr9206265wbw.151.1286302584547; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (LCaen-151-92-21-48.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr [217.128.200.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bc3sm5593145wbb.2.2010.10.05.11.16.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Eric Masson Received: from srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B881A1CF2C; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:16:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at interne.associated-bears.org Received: from srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org ([127.0.0.1]) by srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UIuJ1Sg3uohp; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:16:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BA14B1CC4B; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:16:14 +0200 (CEST) To: RW From: Eric Masson In-Reply-To: <20101005141158.4730dab3@gumby.homeunix.com> (RW's message of "Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:11:58 +0100") References: <86d3ronb01.fsf@srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org> <20101005141158.4730dab3@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:16:14 +0200 Message-ID: <8639skmro1.fsf@srvbsdfenssv.interne.associated-bears.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1008 (Gnus v5.10.8) XEmacs/21.5-b28 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Custom rc script using /usr/sbin/daemon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:16:26 -0000 RW writes: Hello, > I don't think you can do it like that. IIRC when you try to stop a > daemon it doesn't just kill the process by pid, it also sanity checks > the command in case the daemon has died and the pid was reused. > Since "daemon" wont show-up in the ps output it can't be in the command > variable. Ok, makes sense. > I think you need to write a start function, something like this: > > > start_cmd="phpfastcgi_start" > command="/usr/local/bin/php-cgi" > > phpfastcgi_start(){ > echo "starting phpfastcgi." > /usr/sbin/daemon -f -p ${pidfile} ${command} > } Fine, it works much better now. Thanks a lot Kind Regards Éric Masson -- je n'ai jamais repondu aux AAD car je pensais qu'on pouvais pas en tant que personne qui propose un newgroup... -+- A in GNU : C'est quoi un groupe de discussion d'ailleurs ? -+- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 18:46:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC4E106566B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:46:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from amavis-smtp.knology.net (amavis-smtp.knology.net [75.76.199.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83978FC16 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (amavis-smtp [127.0.0.1]) by amavis-smtp.knology.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD159CF802B; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp12.knology.net ([75.76.199.9]) by localhost (amavis-smtp.knology.net [75.76.199.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ofRmL5vy834t; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Grumpy.DynDNS.org (unknown [24.42.224.110]) by smtp12.knology.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABF65200057; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 749CA28435; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:46:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:46:37 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Leandro F Silva Message-ID: <20101005184637.GA83542@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:46:44 -0000 On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 01:11:30AM -0300, Leandro F Silva wrote: > > Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? > Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. MacOS X 10.6.4. Its solid, supported, and Unix. In general the Unix things that need to be treated differently between MacOS and FreeBSD are exactly the sort of things you need to be prepared for for jumping between any Unix (or Unix clone). Apple hardware is exceptionally good. Generally run 5 to 8 years before upgrading. Got my original MacBook Pro in January 2006 and its still Going strong on the original battery. Its biggest limitation today is its 2GB max memory, but the Intel Core Duo 1.83 GHz CPU is plenty good. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 18:54:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044531065670 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:54:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E1D8FC0C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (ppp-94-69-48-227.home.otenet.gr [94.69.48.227]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id o95Is1Kj020584; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:54:04 +0300 Message-ID: <4CAB7449.3010700@otenet.gr> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:54:01 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patrick Lamaiziere References: <4CA77952.1080704@otenet.gr> <20101005092034.4cb3ff20@mr129041.univ-rennes1.fr> In-Reply-To: <20101005092034.4cb3ff20@mr129041.univ-rennes1.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom 64bit FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 with XFCE packages released X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:54:08 -0000 On 05/10/2010 10:20 Ï€.μ., Patrick Lamaiziere wrote: > Le Sat, 02 Oct 2010 21:26:26 +0300, > Manolis Kiagias a écrit : > > Hello, > >> This release is based on the latest XFCE desktop and includes a wide >> variety of desktop-related packages, like OpenOffice, abiword, >> gnumeric, firefox35, gimp, inkscape, evince and so on. The base >> system is 8.1-RELEASE. A few other small window managers are included >> like windowmaker and fluxbox. Note this release does not include >> editors/zim and x11-wm/icewm due to build problems. > Which print system is used by the packages, cups or lpr? > > Regards. It is compiled with cups support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 18:55:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A147A106564A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:55:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edflecko@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9108FC1F for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn34 with SMTP id 34so2023064iwn.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:55:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7OFr418+8X7zXFGP7r3ua3D44QPeEgO034aAiQ087sI=; b=jWJsFNqr++jUUA/OgP8igXbZvd4+ngYq1fYhElA2kKGcIHraczXqR1PGyboVabLbBH Alw3QINs0w6LOOF4JPfhuV3FzGcrBoRi+aLxwBwSvUmwd6QyOVyy9zUDug9K8ao9Zpk/ y7STc2aaAcFae0Q+ycon/Yjt81uHG4e6sFXR8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=pZuAhCYM2YKVgm3BQs9qA1a+UezIbBbXW93UyEw7enC0UEPGZom4EHtLnoGQDT8XNo N+1JoTCUNFPlinVCCg+w0tSxzByitp+Fv85tRcpPMk+Mnz/tK8f5Ajjf+PfbYMvR5s9S qjLhcciDmpwfHYv5m7AxVL005dXgzAoeoOIG4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.161.16 with SMTP id p16mr12578366ibx.61.1286304950729; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.119.4 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:55:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ed Flecko To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Confused about keeping system up to date X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:55:51 -0000 Hi folks, I'm running Production Release 8.1 on a production server. For a variety of reasons, I've decided to keep my system up to date via building it from source code. 1.) I want to follow the 8.1 errata branch, which (after rebuilding) pretty much just applies any released patches, right? 2.) I want the entry in my supfile to read: tag=RELENG_8_1_0 - or tag=RELENG_8.1_0 ? 3.) As a general rule, the only time you really NEED to update, rebuild your system, etc., is after there's been a security patch release, right? 4.) Is RELENG_8_1 the same thing as 8.1-RELEASE ??? 5.) If I'm just trying to keep my system up to date as far as applying security patches, should I just follow the directions in the security patch notes to apply it, or should I update via cvsup (or csup, etc.) and rebuild the system? I guess what I'm asking is: when, if ever (?) should you just apply patches or should you always update, rebuild, etc.??? Thank you, Ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 19:17:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7081065670 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:17:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C6C8FC1B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (unknown [192.168.1.10]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B36863316D; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:17:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3FE2CEDE8; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:19:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:19:35 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: Ed Flecko Message-ID: <20101005211935.7e82acb3@davenulle.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Confused about keeping system up to date X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:17:06 -0000 Le Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:55:50 -0700, Ed Flecko a écrit : Hello, > 1.) I want to follow the 8.1 errata branch, which (after rebuilding) > pretty much just applies any released patches, right? Yes > 2.) I want the entry in my supfile to read: tag=RELENG_8_1_0 - or > tag=RELENG_8.1_0 ? You must use RELENG_8_1 see http://www.freebsd.org/releng/ RELENG_8_1 is the errata branch for FreeBSD 8.1 RELENG_8_1_0 is the tag for the released FreeBSD 8.1, so without any patch applied since the release. > 5.) If I'm just trying to keep my system up to date as far as applying > security patches, should I just follow the directions in the security > patch notes to apply it, or should I update via cvsup (or csup, etc.) > and rebuild the system? I guess what I'm asking is: when, if ever (?) > should you just apply patches or should you always update, rebuild, > etc.??? You can follow the directions, csup + rebuild + and reinstall all the system (or just the kernel if the problem is a kernel one), or use freebsd-update(8) for binary update. Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 19:32:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF08106566B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:32:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edflecko@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4521B8FC16 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn34 with SMTP id 34so2068644iwn.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:32:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rxA7MnvymQqTJER4Idd2rUKEvwzKzamPR6D+XvEYIpk=; b=wgCyfaH1qklaM4+F3fjCw8gNqenjnB+2jh3+BFr6Eg8QjVhie1fbkfbrIqlhBzNv5W wpjFMtEVBNkxs8mZRqxbhGr9yobDBjxcJxju+oIN0kB6na1SOBWCg+4SNrI1x4ClyrNi jDGK7glNt/EjAePNA7uEt2uvg6ffXcPHMjHvk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZK6ohXqagLzzKN8459VhZEZwuznFoX2YGPO+0b7BMa8pk9Hrf88GkhfI+Z/TZLDgY+ PZEu+Xx9LbfRjjlropO1ohsMKZuajxh/Z7eOo8mPJQ9Eizd1QjMlxkdBZpnPR3adAbCt Hc0l82lSqyqyBBBdZafrB4p03EUeSJ4KA8yxs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.8 with SMTP id n8mr12641610ibd.78.1286307164456; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.119.4 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:32:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101005211935.7e82acb3@davenulle.org> References: <20101005211935.7e82acb3@davenulle.org> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:32:44 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ed Flecko To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Confused about keeping system up to date X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:32:45 -0000 Thanks Patrick! :-) 1.) How do you know if a patch applies just to the kernel? For example, I'm looking at the security advisory 2010-09-20 FreeBSD-SA-10:08.bzip2 ( http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-10:08.bzip2.asc ), but it isn't clear to me if it applies to just the kernel or...??? 2.) If the problem IS just related to the kernel, I just do: csup + make buildkernel + make installkernel, right? Ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 20:10:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F87C106566C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:10:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CFD8FC0A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.4/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id o95KAo8W018109 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:10:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Ids: 168 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D838A33A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:10:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 24F9F409E; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:12:31 +0000 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101005221230.GA87356@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Miltered: at jchkmail.jussieu.fr with ID 4CAB864A.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4CAB864A.007/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:10:53 -0000 David Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 01:11:30AM -0300, Leandro F Silva wrote: > > > > Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? > > Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. > > MacOS X 10.6.4. Its solid, supported, and Unix. In general the Unix > things that need to be treated differently between MacOS and FreeBSD are > exactly the sort of things you need to be prepared for for jumping > between any Unix (or Unix clone). > > Apple hardware is exceptionally good. Generally run 5 to 8 years before > upgrading. Got my original MacBook Pro in January 2006 and its still > Going strong on the original battery. Its biggest limitation today is > its > 2GB max memory, but the Intel Core Duo 1.83 GHz CPU is plenty good. Here i am using a Sony laptop under Ubuntu (Lucid Lynx). Everything works perfectly OK, i could not be happier. I have a partition with FreeBSD 8.1 on this laptop, wireless works but ACPI doesn't at all. On desktops i use FreeBSD because it generally works and i like it better. As for Apple hardware, the experience in our lab is that is is by far the worst quality of almost all the machines we have. No other brand (Dell, etc.) has such massive hardware problems (screen failing, cdroms failing, mobo failing etc.). Another thing to consider is the ease of maintaining the software on the machine. My personal opinion is that Ubuntu (more generally Debian) is light years ahead of FreeBSD in this domain. I am quite sure you will find vocal people to claim otherwise. -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 20:40:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19413106566C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:40:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16868FC1C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3EIr-0005vc-Rz for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:40:01 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:40:01 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:40:01 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:44:23 -0400 Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Confused about keeping system up to date X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:40:08 -0000 Ed Flecko wrote: > Hi folks, > I'm running Production Release 8.1 on a production server. > > For a variety of reasons, I've decided to keep my system up to date > via building it from source code. > > 1.) I want to follow the 8.1 errata branch, which (after rebuilding) > pretty much just applies any released patches, right? > > 2.) I want the entry in my supfile to read: tag=RELENG_8_1_0 - or > tag=RELENG_8.1_0 ? tag=RELENG_8_1 is known as the 'security branch' of 8.1-RELEASE. It is RELEASE plus security patches. RELEASE itself will never change. > 3.) As a general rule, the only time you really NEED to update, > rebuild your system, etc., is after there's been a security patch > release, right? True for RELEASE, not true for tracking -STABLE or -CURRENT as they are shifting targets. On production servers I only use RELEASE and only update for security updates. IMHO the only reason for considering a move from RELEASE to STABLE is if there is a specific fix for a very specific issue which had been fixed in - CURRENT and MFC'd back to STABLE. Don't have the exact issue in the bug report - stick with RELEASE. > 4.) Is RELENG_8_1 the same thing as 8.1-RELEASE ??? RELEASE itself is static. RELENG_8_1 is RELEASE plus security patches. > 5.) If I'm just trying to keep my system up to date as far as applying > security patches, should I just follow the directions in the security > patch notes to apply it, or should I update via cvsup (or csup, etc.) > and rebuild the system? I guess what I'm asking is: when, if ever (?) > should you just apply patches or should you always update, rebuild, > etc.??? > I read and follow the instructions in the announcement. If the issue is located in a userland utility, e.g. non-kernel related, you can apply the patch, rebuild/reinstall just that piece of code, and not reboot the system. A production system can remain in production. The thing that will be lacking is uname will not show the update status such as: 8.1-RELEASE-p1 <- the p(x) number will not increment. This number will increment when doing a make buildworld. buildkernel, installkernel, and installworld rebuild by csup of source. This approach is necessitated when the issue is in the kernel code. The instructions in the announcement will tell you this so you can choose. But anytime the rebuild from source of kernel code is required so is a reboot. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 21:24:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360441065672 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C388FC3E for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3EzM-0003Bm-1e for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:23:56 +0200 Received: from frigga.summersault.com ([12.161.105.138]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:23:56 +0200 Received: from mark by frigga.summersault.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:23:56 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Mark Stosberg Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:23:43 -0400 Lines: 31 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: frigga.summersault.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100922 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.4 X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Subject: altering "maxdsiz" or "datasize" limit ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:24:01 -0000 Hello, We've been satisfied FreeBSD users for several years at our hosting company. Recently we ran into into a problem where a long running cron script was dying early because it is hitting FreeBSD's data segment size limit of 512 Megs, even though the machine has plenty more memory. I would like to raise this limit, and am currently using FreeBSD 6.2. When I researched this, I first found references to tuning "maxdsiz" in loader.conf, then some pointed out what I found myself.... this variable is no longer documented and perhaps no longer present in FreeBSD 6.2. I also found that it appears you can report on it and change it with the "limits" command: limits -d 1g That appears to work in the sense that the command is allowed and no error is returned, but then if I run a follow up "limits" report again, I see that no change is reported to have happened. So, how I can actually increase this limit? (Both immediately and persisting through a reboot). Thanks! Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 21:54:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DA5106566C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:54:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446278FC1E for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywp4 with SMTP id 4so256729ywp.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:54:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=oDqmQsAo0qAQFdYMpkspo/ZngLkT62Ofz/++0CRQCqE=; b=De8j+JCKeXsZivv6V8jcB55s0gQCPKsWYjaJC/CKizM1/gjapOWIxMal7NeiMZvkrR UrAIFdhvInZZVKNb2fxtGRkrr7lmILzQPythK4RTp+UFVoUuRzyR1yHoTHvualNcuZlQ b1x3uB83RRo0rPocwRyrWp7S9FwD0h1NUS8p4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=aelyXIMCUtvwqA0u4lOkPl2r7aoG+DFM2+4Dk0Yv60oMPXGGBG62N+2LhvEpXuLDqU W3t/cQ7o1yGAXTrqxgCgMZNAj2sjNKNSU0S/5/o5GpyMSn9It2ax3fOQD4Tx9apydiLL XJcPeSIG1bZygWbv7REjz2/kRaUtjoqb0opg8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.93.14 with SMTP id q14mr4325041agb.180.1286315656522; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.187.194 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:54:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:54:16 +0000 Message-ID: From: Paul B Mahol To: Mark Stosberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: altering "maxdsiz" or "datasize" limit ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:54:17 -0000 On 10/5/10, Mark Stosberg wrote: > > Hello, > > We've been satisfied FreeBSD users for several years at our hosting > company. > > Recently we ran into into a problem where a long running cron script was > dying early because it is hitting FreeBSD's data segment size limit of > 512 Megs, even though the machine has plenty more memory. I would like > to raise this limit, and am currently using FreeBSD 6.2. > > When I researched this, I first found references to tuning "maxdsiz" in > loader.conf, then some pointed out what I found myself.... this variable > is no longer documented and perhaps no longer present in FreeBSD 6.2. > > I also found that it appears you can report on it and change it with the > "limits" command: > > limits -d 1g > > That appears to work in the sense that the command is allowed and no > error is returned, but then if I run a follow up "limits" report again, > I see that no change is reported to have happened. > > So, how I can actually increase this limit? (Both immediately and > persisting through a reboot). kern.maxdsiz In /boot/loader.conf You cant increase it immediately. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 21:55:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94044106564A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:55:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E82E8FC15 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17212 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2010 21:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2010 21:55:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=VcboTqWBvErZjW3JJk251jPwH5dWu5YZi12ev7fTJORb8L1oSXLEznsWsaTPC+xH11t7+S8duJwYsq7EIVPmN5i1nPYLhOzQoibsCxPjOWbqfb6Xd17ne4+XLpEyERxl; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3FUK-0000NH-Le for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:55:57 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:51:25 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:51:25 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101005215125.GB71713@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101005221230.GA87356@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XOIedfhf+7KOe/yw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101005221230.GA87356@lpthe.jussieu.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:55:58 -0000 --XOIedfhf+7KOe/yw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 10:12:31PM +0000, Michel Talon wrote: >=20 > Another thing to consider is the ease of maintaining the software on > the machine. My personal opinion is that Ubuntu (more generally Debian) > is light years ahead of FreeBSD in this domain. How is it "light years ahead" of FreeBSD for "the ease of maintaining the software on the machine"? I'm curious about what you mean. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --XOIedfhf+7KOe/yw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkyrnd0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXS+QCfUcX6gLrlM6F5H1MwvQSnR5L8 xLwAnjN3anCluPYZpjD0SO7DszBCJfeD =88fP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XOIedfhf+7KOe/yw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 22:02:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E5C106566B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:02:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 83B9F8FC0A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14486 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2010 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box511.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.111) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2010 21:35:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=estrads.com.ar; h=Received:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-Identified-User; b=IscVN5TwudpGLgWl1rXz9WTAPYcrStTtYpt/7wZcs9ZnlfTusPGpTrC/6nSGXMlj5ujWuHK7hoxWEjNNY7YhcnX4MxuFus3HYykEKSBVyPnWiYkc1AfkG/oeVGUgygY7; Received: from host16.190-136-238.telecom.net.ar ([190.136.238.16] helo=rjgonzale-laptop) by box511.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3FAO-0005vc-Iy; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:35:22 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:35:11 -0300 From: Rodrigo Gonzalez To: Mark Stosberg Message-ID: <20101005183511.14a55e14@rjgonzale-laptop> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/eeMDh7elz2xTYM=TEGmiIuM"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Identified-User: {32647:box511.bluehost.com:gonosade:estrads.com.ar} {sentby:smtp auth 190.136.238.16 authed with rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar} Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: altering "maxdsiz" or "datasize" limit ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:02:02 -0000 --Sig_/eeMDh7elz2xTYM=TEGmiIuM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didnt check it, but changing /etc/login.conf should do that On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:23:43 -0400 Mark Stosberg wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > We've been satisfied FreeBSD users for several years at our hosting > company. >=20 > Recently we ran into into a problem where a long running cron script > was dying early because it is hitting FreeBSD's data segment size > limit of 512 Megs, even though the machine has plenty more memory. I > would like to raise this limit, and am currently using FreeBSD 6.2. >=20 > When I researched this, I first found references to tuning "maxdsiz" > in loader.conf, then some pointed out what I found myself.... this > variable is no longer documented and perhaps no longer present in > FreeBSD 6.2. >=20 > I also found that it appears you can report on it and change it with > the "limits" command: >=20 > limits -d 1g >=20 > That appears to work in the sense that the command is allowed and no > error is returned, but then if I run a follow up "limits" report > again, I see that no change is reported to have happened. >=20 > So, how I can actually increase this limit? (Both immediately and > persisting through a reboot). >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Mark >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --Sig_/eeMDh7elz2xTYM=TEGmiIuM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkyrmg8ACgkQZHmnrc0PV89rNwCfV6w9eJBNIOFpsD2/QBmbMpEz f6kAnRYRNSH6jTpRciB3xioF8xxE9ITa =mMi+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/eeMDh7elz2xTYM=TEGmiIuM-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 22:22:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C828106566C for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from mx04.dls.net (mx04.dls.net [216.145.245.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5662A8FC1A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.145.235.69] (helo=emailrob.com) by mx04.dls.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Ftz-00059E-1Q; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:22:30 -0500 Message-ID: <4CAB9715.2080303@emailrob.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:22:29 +0100 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson , fbsd_questions References: <4CAA3030.3090001@emailrob.com> <4CAA3CFE.1060609@emailrob.com> <20101004225757.GK40148@dan.emsphone.com> <4CAA654B.7040409@emailrob.com> <20101005034150.GL40148@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: [fbsd_questions] "i386" fbsd_platform vs "amd64" fbsd_platform, on "intel_64_architecture" cpu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:22:32 -0000 [ note that there is a new question, about half_way down ] first, i thank you, most sincerely, for the time that you took to type detailed responses. this is most helpful. second, let me posit that there exists no "perfect" notation, so, i err on the sides of readability and clarity, at the expense of economy [ or, rather, my perceptions of these ]. to this end, i do several things. i connect the components of a multi_word noun_phrase with under_score characters, to aid the differentiation of adjectives from nouns. similarly, i separate the components of "combination" words. i use doubled under_scores, if a component is under_score__connected. i use the neutral_double_quote character to repeat, verbatim, the words of another, to indicate "odd" word_usage and to emphasize differences. i use commas liberally, to set_off subordinate_clauses and to indicate pauses, --but--, i do not put a comma before or after a conjunction [ except as part of a comma_pair, used with a subordinate_clause ]. i italicize or under_score "word" as "--word--". outside of prose, i put white_space between tokens [ don't you wish everybody did ? ]. there are other rules [ hmmm ... , i ought to publish these ]. note that i am, in_frequently, in_consistent in my rule_application. third, i will address your points in_line. note that my text is delimited by one blank_line above and three blank_lines below. Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Oct 05), spellberg_robert said: > >>well, i looked at questions back to the beginning of august. >> >>on aug_09 i found a thread that suggests the following questions. i have, since, examined subject_lines back to the beginning of june. i have researched other places, also. > You might want to just use "i386" and "amd64" instead of making up your own > terminology ("i_386", "intel_64", "amd_64", etc). not mine. "intel_64" and "intel 64" and "intel64" are synonyms for a concept found here: http://developer.intel.com/technology/intel64/index.htm "i_386" and "i386" are synonyms for a concept found, as one example, here: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.1 "amd_64" and "amd64" are synonyms for a concept found, as one example, here: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.1 note that the words on the subject_line are spelled "i386" and "amd64", for the benefit of those who use freebsd.org's mailing_list__archive search_engine. note that i have revised the subject_line, in an effort to be clearer, regarding jargon. > Note that Intel has chips > that support two competing 64-bit instruction sets: ia64, which is used by > their Itanium line, actually, i am aware of this; however, just because i did not discuss it does not mean that you can assume that i was not thinking about it. mea culpa. being explicit is a_good_thing. [ i don't need to explain the acronym "assume", do i ? good. ] > and amd64, which originated on AMD chips but Intel > adopted for their 64-bit-capable x86 chips (Xeon, Core etc). I'll assume > that any time you say "intel_64" or "amd_64" you really mean amd64, no. "intel_64" and "amd64" are as defined, above. one is a manufacturer's proprietary architecture; the other is a freebsd_release_platform that runs on several substantially_similar proprietary architectures, which belong to different manufacturers. > since > nobody uses Itaniums :) if they used itania in redmond, ... . >>for a given release of freebsd, >> >> q: is it that the version labeled "i386" contains only 32_bit >> headers and source, which creates the 32_bit version of >> freebsd, as well as 32_bit versions of what i write, which will >> run as 32_bit code on either i_386, intel_64 or amd_64 ? > > > Yes, assuming you have COMPAT_FREEBSD32 in your kernel config (which GENERIC > has, so most people have it). i will look into "COMPAT_FREEBSD32"; i have not built a kernel since "4.early". i would take out stuff that i did not have installed and, then, it would get bigger. now, i change hardware so frequently, it is better to include probes for everything. >> q: is it that the version labeled "amd64" contains only 64_bit headers and source, >> which creates the 64_bit version of freebsd, as well as 64_bit >> versions of what i write, which will run as 64_bit code on the >> intel_64 and the amd_64, but, not the i_386 ? > > > Yes. i think we understand one_another here; i could have been clearer. i was trying to make a distinction between products manufactured by intel_corp, amd_corp and others, all_of_which were derived from intel's original 80386 [ released, circa 1985 ], whose architecture intel named "ia-32" [ synonyms of "ia32" and "ia_32" ], which, mostly, but, not_exactly, used the same machine_code, to produce the same instruction_results [ an analogy would be firefox versus "the high_priced spread", regarding html ]. my cpu distinction was between intel's "ia_32" and intel's "intel_64", that is, having --only-- 8 32_bit registers versus having 16 64_bit registers that could be used as such or that could be used as if it had only the 8 32_bit registers. in the first line, "amd64" refers to the freebsd_release platform. in the fourth line, "intel_64" refers to the content of the intel_corp architecture link, above, "amd_64" refers to amd_corp's architecture and "i_386" refers to intel_corp's "ia_32" architecture, regardless of the chip manufacturer. these definitions, also, apply to the previous question. >> q: if a "i386" version is installed on an intel_64 platform, then >> the pointers are 32_bits_wide, no matter what ? > > > Yes. FreeBSD's models are ILP32 (int, long, pointer are all 32-bit) or LP64 > (int is 32-bit, long and pointer are 64-bit). understood. therefore, i conclude that, in the freebsd_universe of 32_bit and 64_bit architectures, the "int" is --always-- 32_bits_wide and the "long" is --always-- pointer_width. this is a useful rule. >----> wait_a_minute ! see what i said, below, about the address_size over_ride. new_q: would "ilp32" mean that "long long" is the 64_bit integer_size ? no, i do not mean the kloodgy "double integer" "attribute" of gcc. i want the native register_set__count of 16 and the native register_set__bit_width of 64, when i am using 32_bit pointers. >> q: if i want to produce both 32_bit and 64_bit versions of my >> "killer_app", then i need two machines, >> one a 32_bit or a 64_bit running "i386", >> the other --only-- a 64_bit running "amd64" ? > > > Or an amd64 machine with a 32-bit world installed in a subdirectory that you > can chroot to to do your 32-bit compiles, or a virtual machine running a > 32-bit world. i will look into this. however, my target user_base, while, generally, being competent to write application_code [ in c and sh ], would not, with few exceptions, be expected to do systems_work beyond "sysinstall" and, maybe, some "rc.conf" over_rides. this is looking, more and more, like a dedicated_purpose__hardware situation. when in doubt, make things as simple as possible, but, no simpler. >> q: given that i have intel_64 hardware, here, i --specifically-- meant a cpu manufactured by intel_corp with built_in 16 64_bit registers. see the intel link, above. >> do i need to start acquiring the "amd64" versions of the >> releases, rather_than / in_addition_to the "i386" versions ? > > > If you have more than 4GB of ram, it would be a good idea. If you have 4GB > or less, then 64-bit mode doesn't buy you much, and may cost you performance > since all your pointers take up twice the space, filling up your L1/L2 > caches twice as fast. aha ! i hadn't considered the caches [ thank you for that ]. i was concerned with struct sizes and alignments and, to a lesser extent, with stack_segment limits. my current crop has 4_gigs each, but, i am already anticipating larger sizes for the next crop. your point is well_taken. i want to get started on seeing what the compiler produces, so, i'll bite the bullet, a little. when i was only concerned with 32_bit code [ my "d"_flag == 1 ], it was easy enough to use the 0x_66 over_ride to do 16_bit arithmetic; all of my pointers were 32_bits_wide. now, having the register_set, i have an "l"_flag and it will == 1. i was debating the idea of always using the 0x_67 over_ride to effect 32_bit pointers. with separate byte_size instructions, 0x_66 and rex.w, i have 8_, 16_, 32_ and 64_bit arithmetic. the design of structures and code becomes intuitively_obvious. if i did this, i could delay the use of 48_bit pointers until they became necessary. this has serious advantages. i have to determine how to make the compiler do this; probably, yet_another_command_line_option. >----> this is a continuation of "wait_a_minute", above. here is the specific thing i meant in the "ilp32" section, above. your mention of the l1 and l2 cpu_caches gives me another reason to make the "small" version of my "app" use 32_bit pointers, notwithstanding the use of native 64_bit integers. i would be --shocked--, if i learned that i could not do this. yes, the compiler/assembler is supposed to define the segment_descriptor and insert the "rex", "66" and "67" instruction_bytes, as appropriate. see volume one, chapter three, section six, here: http://developer.intel.com/products/processor/manuals/index.htm >> q: given that --i-- am committed to 64_bit hardware, perhaps, i >> should give up on the "i386" versions of the releases and >> require my users to spend us$_300 on 64_bit hardware [ it would >> save a large number of conditional_compilation directives; >> nudge_nudge, wink_wink, say no more >> ] ? > > > Or provide source and let the users compile what they need on their own > machines. Assuming you code using the appropriate types (size_t, intptr_t, > etc, or int32_t and int64_t for when you know you need a particular word > size) instead of assuming that a pointer will fit in an int, your code > should compile on either 32- or 64-bit machines with no conditional code. > > http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/stdint.h.html i understand where you are going with this and, in general, it is not all that bad of an idea. however, i have transcended much of the new stuff and have reverted to using only the basics. rugs have been pulled_out from under me, too many times. the real problem is that the software industry is over_populated with people without sufficient discipline to write correct code, given that they start with a known, correct algorithm. i do not mean insufficient_experience; i mean just_plain_sloppy. example: there is no need for a "const" key_word. if you are not supposed to write to something, then do not write to it [ doctor, doctor, ... . ]. what keeps me out of trouble is to define fundamental types and their pointers, then using them exclusively, unless i have to cast [ which i do, liberally ]. example: typedef char srl__t__c1__t , * srl__t__c1__p ; /* this one is --stupid-- */ typedef signed char srl__t__s1__t , * srl__t__s1__p ; typedef unsigned char srl__t__u1__t , * srl__t__u1__p ; typedef signed short int srl__t__s2__t , * srl__t__s2__p ; typedef unsigned short int srl__t__u2__t , * srl__t__u2__p ; /* and so forth */ // int or long int for u4 and s4 , whatever it takes. // long int or long long int for u8 and s8 , whatever it takes. then i define variables, with the type as part of the name: #define SRL__EQU__SIZE_ALLOC__STRING_BUFFER__BYTE__U4T ( ( srl__t__u4__t ) 1024 ) srl__t__u1__t srl__v__buffer__read__a_u1t [ SRL__EQU__SIZE_ALLOC__STRING_BUFFER__U4T ] ; // the storage, with a "base" name. srl__t__u1__p srl__v__scan__read__u1p ; // a scanning pointer, for tokens. one of my pet_peeves is that i can not remember other people's ideas of the appropriate default; int_t vs uint_t and ssize_t vs size_t , so, i define both kinds, explicitly, and stop looking things up. i am starting to digress, but, you get the idea [ one day, i should publish this, also ]. it looks more and more like i am going to have two sets of hardware and software, with ethernet cables. i need the "amd64" fbsd_release for the 64_bit registers, but, that i should not use this to build a 32_bit version of my "app". i conclude that i will need the "i386" fbsd_release to accomplish that objective. i suspect that i can get_away_with a single header, with macroes and typedefs, to keep things straight. fortunately, hardware is astoundingly cheap [ who says that global_economic_depression is a_bad_thing ? ]. i have added to my "do_list" to get the amd_corp manuals on their 64_bit implementation. when i find the time, i will compare and contrast with that of intel. again, i thank you. if you or anyone_else has corrections, elaborations, complaints or great_thoughts, do not hesitate to write; in particular, about 32_bit pointers in 64_bit mode. rob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 22:53:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833DA106564A for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:53:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257D68FC18 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o95MrbZ7096685; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id o95Mrb2a096682; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:53:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Mubeesh ali In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201010050055.21381.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:53:37 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Erich Dollansky , Leandro F Silva , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:53:38 -0000 On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Mubeesh ali wrote: > just dont choose an acer 5745 or any laptop runnning Insyde BIOS > ...from my personal experience (BIOS gets stuck at splash screen after > BSD install) It works fine if you don't blow away the BIOS partition. At least it has for me on an Aspire One netbook. Maybe a notebook also, can't recall. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 00:06:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6545C10656A3 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:06:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steven43126@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1FC8FC28 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13so229593wwb.1 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:06:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=n44etSaDfGwY7M+Q3MdAMowdH4qZifyksmsqIkO0+cE=; b=q2ecrNth2/x6RYpDD9cQRYuUTft+3Ld7vbaTFTqBV0ZcslMO6LTmqJjRRcNPeYHJwb ODqNct2Xb0bRl5ckXysMBYoMIhaHro/PaPh9MLfLABVEcBrfCX7CFmtHYE2Rx1ChIKQB vFFzCCY+lmDbUZL7HmsnztHcwsUMBpoo6TPCg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=R7rGtXPetwhiqFwSvmX7l+5gjNPYojxCkfFem3atwuj+4IJSl3dEK3UjlglBnzrLnb UFBEMHy1Dd6m/URPPFEzcaEF+lwS/orwif82t5eDoPIBM3G/dfFzgydP/hEiuFQg0jYP 0HZ2fj72/zzqPkJmAMMLdR7axrQ91PRlnxS+k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.146.193 with SMTP id i1mr10021629wbv.143.1286321815385; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.139.143 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:36:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CAAB47F.10908@rawbw.com> References: <4CAAB47F.10908@rawbw.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:36:55 +0100 Message-ID: From: Steven Williamson To: Yuri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I know how many packets were lost and resent on particular TCP connection? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 00:06:11 -0000 tcpdump, then analyze with wireshark. If it's longer term monitoring you require in the past iv'e used ruby-pcap and written a quick and dirty script to log retransmissions. Essentially you just need to watch for duplicate packet id's I'm not sure there are any stats normally recorded for this level of detail. I may be wrong! Regards Steven Williamson. On 5 October 2010 06:15, Yuri wrote: > Just curious if I can do this. > > Yuri > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 01:41:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68622106564A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 01:41:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF328FC1A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 01:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so2927744gxk.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:41:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vCAqMRv9zlZqytZ/yXRVjprDSocdT6pmGkHrDrJBTjM=; b=BIqjHcx/0uaZro0rytYzKnFvQa1H4/GvFBLFj0Nfm7eunSSMnZa+odVxEZiCl9/wCH biN+2/YRm1zhh/eYIw9tGjWJqE90/cVDqGuxmdBXD9QOd8RdPzgXrOgaKTDY8HjbjHsW Vo/OKm0Z8MVNCVQE+vH6LefeycWbrJNLp2MnE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mTC0ytJTLpl4+3d04jgCJHz1LywhFdUqwRQ7Iuigj7nXk0jtvWpa799OkeBTFUylhs x1zX8zSVcSoksIk1wvCpIsZz0hL1EFaiE+Bq93CefAF1Bu5Sn8jENTMTalKdZqJrgAQa Dgf4wqRNFPKJ9WuC+qm6/DTIRm5aWw7xtuhiU= Received: by 10.100.211.19 with SMTP id j19mr8854626ang.11.1286329279291; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host211.190-230-73.telecom.net.ar [190.230.73.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c19sm312288ana.22.2010.10.05.18.41.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CABD3B9.2070305@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:41:13 -0300 From: Gonzalo Nemmi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; es-AR; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101005221230.GA87356@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20101005215125.GB71713@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20101005215125.GB71713@guilt.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 01:41:20 -0000 El 05/10/2010 06:51 p.m., Chad Perrin escribió: > On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 10:12:31PM +0000, Michel Talon wrote: >> >> Another thing to consider is the ease of maintaining the software on >> the machine. My personal opinion is that Ubuntu (more generally Debian) >> is light years ahead of FreeBSD in this domain. > > How is it "light years ahead" of FreeBSD for "the ease of maintaining the > software on the machine"? I'm curious about what you mean. > I share Michel Talon´s mind in regards to "the ease of maintaining the software on the machine" but I find myself inclined to rpm ... that´s why I use Mandriva on my notebooks/netbooks. RPM has come a really long way since it´s inception and has proven to be an incredible flexible tool to do the task it´s meant to do (I can write a single .spec file and create as many rpms out of a single tarball as I see it fits my needs, package granularity they call it... just take a look at the mandriva repos to see what I mean). In my personal experience I have found that creating, maintaining and handling rpm packages is a lot easier than creating ports or keeping the software up to date using packages. Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 01:46:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6785106564A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 01:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD578FC12 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 01:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so2928168gwb.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:46:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tqoL1bS2xMrDZ6URwcAQxPHJAhw7L2IhgzsdPX5GGy0=; b=SIxZ5sKzmk84WXrkHS538SCyH+X447Hasgkn/Oy/nxJYQRpFpoKLJ33OKsq2e/vNrP DT7uDexvh/XpLkr6RCsGehsTrF3PdvUbSAO/8Mscthgw9z+3m0E2Bi3ZNoDgGAgLSTYu P1h7Rd/wbfYfOsGkXEQyzN55ZhS1pKTlEjqZ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=t89cny6Bw0Rfhpmlv4m/Afj3zD2jSZlgqqpgUVB/I4ApljKgdNxXIo47YJbq2dmczL 5H4IeR1noXaYkLzLtHoL3EiUNev0Nvn2pG1whfjpSJItUTEbbS3kX9mg7NXG0s6HISg+ 4fy6f0qIen4BNigf2SSBW0tyXLYe/54vT77xU= Received: by 10.100.213.4 with SMTP id l4mr4977194ang.35.1286329585572; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host211.190-230-73.telecom.net.ar [190.230.73.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i28sm321608anh.10.2010.10.05.18.46.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CABD4ED.9000103@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:46:21 -0300 From: Gonzalo Nemmi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; es-AR; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101005171851.GC70749@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 01:46:27 -0000 El 05/10/2010 02:29 p.m., Phan Quoc Hien escribió: > Hello. I have same question here. > My laptop is HP Pavilion dv4 series, can run fine on FreeBSD or other > opensource OS? > Thanks! Please, take a look at the following thread before going any further: "HP Envy 14 laptop damaged by FreeBSD 8.1 install" http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=17683 > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 01:11:30AM -0300, Leandro F Silva wrote: >>> >>> Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? >>> Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. >> >> I'm using FreeBSD on my Lenovo ThinkPad T60. One of the nice things >> about choosing FreeBSD for my laptop OS of choice is that, unlike MS >> Windows 7, I do not need to get the latest and greatest hardware to get >> acceptable performance. >> >> Of course, there are downsides to my choice, such as the lack of proper >> hardware acceleration with an AMD/ATI graphics adapter, but since I have >> stopped playing World of Warcraft (any computer game bores me after a >> little while), there is little need for that kind of thing. >> >> When deciding what to use, the first thing you need to do is figure out >> your needs. What kind of hardware do you need to support? How much ACPI >> support is "enough"? What do you need your software to do? There is no >> OS that does everything better than any other OS. This applies to >> Ubuntu, MS Windows, and FreeBSD (and pretty much everything else, too). >> >> Because my requirements for hardware are reasonably simple, my >> requirements for software capabilities take precedent. As such, out of >> the various OSes with which I am comfortable to some degree, I pretty >> much get to choose whatever OS I want. Given my requirements for >> software capabilities, FreeBSD is the obvious choice. >> >> -- >> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] >> > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 02:42:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859B9106566C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 02:42:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from s.dave.jones@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0558FC08 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 02:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so157560qyk.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:42:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rAvsAeG1ENysJ0zrAqwT0mROXE/baC2wF7nYdk7Em1E=; b=Uoi05NubD5+BXlH6pR18JMIGqO7lu6K08wzVkpUwqF6zJr0FCMJIK+frGkSlbhZSKj 9r2CWK60qYPukNuzh5lC/vHcY9e5r90yBxqgiFznqV/Deth/OmeHWrHZZYs6a03qNXXS qzUCOU2wU4vpEkE9guvzWOnv4unA1jdo95wSw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=LvB3su7ntq83zhG+u4Kn4xbjoE+MTNN6lglvX6igg/BXWNHDNlYVJ3F8yUoTRkkN0o atC3hvXTmIvurGUwvhAEvxa+OzWrR6WNC0q4xZ/AIzhqeNZB3RuoXt3qo42sbhUmaP7w yjT4LdEx5Ax5zrvrxkDf0blbgxsKbYK5A+C6o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.185.205 with SMTP id cp13mr503808vcb.197.1286332951420; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.202.136 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:42:31 +0800 Message-ID: From: dave jones To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Questions about udp socket(AF_UNSPEC) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 02:42:32 -0000 Hi, When disconnect a UDP socket, Linux kernel set local port to zero if the port number comes from a implicit bind, but on FreeBSD, it doesn't set local port to zero. Here's my test program: #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #define SERV_PORT 12345 void print_local_addr(int s); int main(int argc, char** argv) { int sockfd; struct sockaddr_in servaddr, cliaddr; if (argc != 2) { printf("Usage: disconnect_udp "); exit(0); } // creat a UDP socket which binds to a local address sockfd = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, 0); bzero(&cliaddr, sizeof(cliaddr)); cliaddr.sin_family = AF_INET; if (inet_pton(AF_INET, argv[1], &cliaddr.sin_addr) != 1) { perror("inet_pton failed"); } bind(sockfd, (struct sockaddr *)&cliaddr, sizeof(cliaddr)); // connect this UDP socket bzero(&servaddr, sizeof(servaddr)); servaddr.sin_family = AF_INET; servaddr.sin_port = htons(SERV_PORT); if (inet_pton(AF_INET, argv[1], &servaddr.sin_addr) != 1) { perror("inet_pton failed"); } if (connect(sockfd, (struct sockaddr *)&servaddr, sizeof(servaddr)) != 0) { perror("connect failed"); } print_local_addr(sockfd); // disconnect it servaddr.sin_family = AF_UNSPEC; if (connect(sockfd, (struct sockaddr *)&servaddr, sizeof(servaddr)) != 0) { perror("connect failed"); } print_local_addr(sockfd); close(sockfd); } void print_local_addr(int s) { struct sockaddr_in localaddr; socklen_t len = 0; char temp[INET_ADDRSTRLEN]; len = sizeof(localaddr); if (getsockname(s, (struct sockaddr *)&localaddr, &len) != 0) { perror("getsockname failed"); } inet_ntop(AF_INET, &localaddr.sin_addr, temp, INET_ADDRSTRLEN); printf("Local binding: address=%s, port=%d\n", temp, ntohs(localaddr.sin_port)); } In Linux: Local binding: address=192.168.1.30, port=42610 Local binding: address=192.168.1.30, port=0 In FreeBSD: Local binding: address=192.168.1.30, port=35133 connect failed: Address family not supported by protocol family Local binding: address=0.0.0.0, port=0 Any idea? Thank you. Regards, Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 04:11:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917F9106566B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 04:11:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465628FC12 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 04:11:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so2961348gxk.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:11:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GtXQQf58kStH+GTd46YdYPNfYOr1+btnLxVMadb+El4=; b=dPf1Bu4J2scLOnA+3RhxoFcTPotVbUeSnpabo/MGxJxX3gVmKKU6KMZpo4JB3rXOXc mg3M703F+w1mfvdRGuRhzTC71Qz8R1Yf9v1wZYHKaKjbaG+zVRasgb3fFa+sJRufzxH0 3blqVJypFYlwuQy3px66he+RryeJ5/Ku5lwvo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=t3ck8nIWFiCiTARhb/Z1GBqa4SU4sn1yQCHgspP/0fsq3XCRtT8ixERDqJUoAQ5ubN Fu7dSQcjTmuBXqW4kH+iYutS3MHoSAAIHo9DFZUjrwXJ2DgDtm+UE/E2QuooV2iwKexs +w5TOh5Xhydz1Z2NzvKkDswoHoPwW/QX6EsmQ= Received: by 10.101.74.11 with SMTP id b11mr9008860anl.204.1286338291490; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host211.190-230-73.telecom.net.ar [190.230.73.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g6sm238402anh.11.2010.10.05.21.11.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CABF6EF.2060409@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 01:11:27 -0300 From: Gonzalo Nemmi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; es-AR; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 04:11:32 -0000 El 05/10/2010 02:39 p.m., Erik Ulven escribió: > Hi, > ... > Wireless works very well with both OS's. suspend/resume works most of > the time with freebsd, and always with openbsd. built in camera works > with openbsd. Most of the special keys (light, suspend, etc) seems to > work fine with freebsd. > > Erik The OpenBSD guys did a really hardwork to get suspend/resume work out of the box on their latest releases (specially for 4.7 and 4.8, but it all started a few releases back)... they gave it some sort of "priority" status ... maybe they realized that nowadays most of the work gets donde on notebooks ... that effort seems to have paid off. Too bad OpenBSD is not my cup of tea ... Best regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 04:12:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412BD106566C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 04:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phanquochien@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDDF8FC15 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 04:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb24 with SMTP id 24so305wwb.31 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:11:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=C17H3KHjrpLbFO3t5onWkKIJfJIX59Pm41HBBejrN4E=; b=nQSkFo+qdzDTusH0zx8YO5+uSM8eXa+8MOJpp7DRMntvZ/4yEVBRhNdgTsjE8r5FL3 n87Jl3gmXqzM3Xy6Nobi37+HkDAmSorztfjeC5NtZs+SoM7nnYZuE6GDwO4rAPpoNw1u vT1va+7Hz8pysLTuYlqft9D/UEpT37XrDWYjM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CnMZphNONZ2OPT4df0j+3e9yRm6uNF1BK9BC4Eoc9r92luQAXZTXtbBES1LoXseGwA Yk4AV9QYx15tAZQQKY+wR+yfJmLMtdSnvN747EqhNsLYqxxbkfq3WDeM/sSO+k1jSsO8 pk1iFLpp75+h02FSRlBsrXb2diKTO72K4+AxQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.43.11 with SMTP id u11mr9537482wbe.200.1286338283238; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.142.194 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:11:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CABD4ED.9000103@gmail.com> References: <20101005171851.GC70749@guilt.hydra> <4CABD4ED.9000103@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:11:23 +0700 Message-ID: From: Phan Quoc Hien To: Gonzalo Nemmi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 04:12:18 -0000 Hello everyone, Which laptop vendor is best support for FreeBSD ? Thanks. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > El 05/10/2010 02:29 p.m., Phan Quoc Hien escribi=F3: >> >> Hello. I have same question here. >> My laptop is HP Pavilion dv4 series, =A0can run fine on FreeBSD or other >> opensource OS? >> Thanks! > > Please, take a look at the following thread before going any further: > "HP Envy 14 laptop damaged by FreeBSD 8.1 install" > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D17683 > >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Chad Perrin =A0wro= te: >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 01:11:30AM -0300, Leandro F Silva wrote: >>>> >>>> Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? >>>> Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. >>> >>> I'm using FreeBSD on my Lenovo ThinkPad T60. =A0One of the nice things >>> about choosing FreeBSD for my laptop OS of choice is that, unlike MS >>> Windows 7, I do not need to get the latest and greatest hardware to get >>> acceptable performance. >>> >>> Of course, there are downsides to my choice, such as the lack of proper >>> hardware acceleration with an AMD/ATI graphics adapter, but since I hav= e >>> stopped playing World of Warcraft (any computer game bores me after a >>> little while), there is little need for that kind of thing. >>> >>> When deciding what to use, the first thing you need to do is figure out >>> your needs. =A0What kind of hardware do you need to support? =A0How muc= h ACPI >>> support is "enough"? =A0What do you need your software to do? =A0There = is no >>> OS that does everything better than any other OS. =A0This applies to >>> Ubuntu, MS Windows, and FreeBSD (and pretty much everything else, too). >>> >>> Because my requirements for hardware are reasonably simple, my >>> requirements for software capabilities take precedent. =A0As such, out = of >>> the various OSes with which I am comfortable to some degree, I pretty >>> much get to choose whatever OS I want. =A0Given my requirements for >>> software capabilities, FreeBSD is the obvious choice. >>> >>> -- >>> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] >>> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 Best regards, Mr.Hien E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com Website: www.mrhien.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 04:18:29 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9CD1065674 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 04:18:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phanquochien@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482DF8FC1B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 04:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so6639453wyb.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:18:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=C17H3KHjrpLbFO3t5onWkKIJfJIX59Pm41HBBejrN4E=; b=nQSkFo+qdzDTusH0zx8YO5+uSM8eXa+8MOJpp7DRMntvZ/4yEVBRhNdgTsjE8r5FL3 n87Jl3gmXqzM3Xy6Nobi37+HkDAmSorztfjeC5NtZs+SoM7nnYZuE6GDwO4rAPpoNw1u vT1va+7Hz8pysLTuYlqft9D/UEpT37XrDWYjM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CnMZphNONZ2OPT4df0j+3e9yRm6uNF1BK9BC4Eoc9r92luQAXZTXtbBES1LoXseGwA Yk4AV9QYx15tAZQQKY+wR+yfJmLMtdSnvN747EqhNsLYqxxbkfq3WDeM/sSO+k1jSsO8 pk1iFLpp75+h02FSRlBsrXb2diKTO72K4+AxQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.43.11 with SMTP id u11mr9537482wbe.200.1286338283238; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.142.194 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:11:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CABD4ED.9000103@gmail.com> References: <20101005171851.GC70749@guilt.hydra> <4CABD4ED.9000103@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:11:23 +0700 Message-ID: From: Phan Quoc Hien To: Gonzalo Nemmi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 04:18:29 -0000 Hello everyone, Which laptop vendor is best support for FreeBSD ? Thanks. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > El 05/10/2010 02:29 p.m., Phan Quoc Hien escribi=F3: >> >> Hello. I have same question here. >> My laptop is HP Pavilion dv4 series, =A0can run fine on FreeBSD or other >> opensource OS? >> Thanks! > > Please, take a look at the following thread before going any further: > "HP Envy 14 laptop damaged by FreeBSD 8.1 install" > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D17683 > >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Chad Perrin =A0wro= te: >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 01:11:30AM -0300, Leandro F Silva wrote: >>>> >>>> Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? >>>> Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. >>> >>> I'm using FreeBSD on my Lenovo ThinkPad T60. =A0One of the nice things >>> about choosing FreeBSD for my laptop OS of choice is that, unlike MS >>> Windows 7, I do not need to get the latest and greatest hardware to get >>> acceptable performance. >>> >>> Of course, there are downsides to my choice, such as the lack of proper >>> hardware acceleration with an AMD/ATI graphics adapter, but since I hav= e >>> stopped playing World of Warcraft (any computer game bores me after a >>> little while), there is little need for that kind of thing. >>> >>> When deciding what to use, the first thing you need to do is figure out >>> your needs. =A0What kind of hardware do you need to support? =A0How muc= h ACPI >>> support is "enough"? =A0What do you need your software to do? =A0There = is no >>> OS that does everything better than any other OS. =A0This applies to >>> Ubuntu, MS Windows, and FreeBSD (and pretty much everything else, too). >>> >>> Because my requirements for hardware are reasonably simple, my >>> requirements for software capabilities take precedent. =A0As such, out = of >>> the various OSes with which I am comfortable to some degree, I pretty >>> much get to choose whatever OS I want. =A0Given my requirements for >>> software capabilities, FreeBSD is the obvious choice. >>> >>> -- >>> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] >>> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 Best regards, Mr.Hien E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com Website: www.mrhien.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 04:46:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11042106564A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 04:46:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF06A8FC13 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 04:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19199 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2010 04:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2010 04:46:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=CCdHG69dysBekb4qDhBOwjomYyTiiNYlwFWwaEES5xOIErIhKDxsuyTWBjtXVIVx12h0pjRf0/xAOhZjoPd5v7Ncm5M6/D2mR6kOAPGZtQyUSHf+fhvA6e5HG3cvBTpF; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Ltj-0003Qo-8l for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:46:36 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:42:03 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:42:03 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101006044203.GA72396@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101005221230.GA87356@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20101005215125.GB71713@guilt.hydra> <4CABD3B9.2070305@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CABD3B9.2070305@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 04:46:37 -0000 --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 10:41:13PM -0300, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: >=20 > In my personal experience I have found that creating, maintaining and=20 > handling rpm packages is a lot easier than creating ports or keeping the= =20 > software up to date using packages. I find working with the ports system easier, as an end user, than DEB- and RPM-based systems that I've used. I have never built DEB- or RPM-based packages, and the one time I tried creating a port I failed (though frankly I didn't try that hard -- it was just an experiment when I was bored one evening), so I guess I'll have to take your word for it when it comes to creating ports. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkyr/hsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUOiQCePTL5cxWxv0U2KTr3hsx57pIA OlAAnRQ0a4F4ei7b/AwbnlwUYQNHavQl =fLPB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 06:06:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E97B106566B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 06:06:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noreply+F34709933@netlogmail.com) Received: from mx01-2.netlogmail.com (mx01-2.netlogmail.com [193.164.158.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2A78FC12 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 06:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web (192.168.3.129) by mx01-2.netlogmail.com id hlg7qc0qjbov for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 05:26:47 +0000 (envelope-from ) From: jeane jully Wullur To: Sender: noreply+F34709933@netlogmail.com Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 05:36:13 +0000 X-MM-ID: -3aWQ9RjM0NzA5OTMzLHR5cGU9MTIsZGlzdHJvPWVuLGRpc3Ryb2lkPTExMjQyOTQ2NDUsZGF0ZT0xMjg2MzQzMzczLHN1YnR5cGU9NCx2ZXJzaW9uPTEsY3Y9djYuMDAsdWlkPTAsbWlkPTA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0.0.14A.6C.1CB651712461ABC.0@mx01-2.netlogmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Visit my Netlog profile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jeane jully Wullur List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:06:20 -0000 Hey, I have created a Netlog profile with my pictures, videos, blogs and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. You first need to register on Netlog! When you log in, you can create your own profile. Take a look: http://en.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMTI0Mjk0NjQ1Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRDIyNjI1ODgzMjElMjZpJTNEdDkxJTI2dWlkJTNEMTMzMzYxMjY1 Cheers, jeane jully ---------------------------------------------------------------- Don't want to receive invitations from your friends anymore? http://en.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMTI0Mjk0NjQ1Jmw9MiZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGbm9tYWlscyUyRmludml0ZSUyRmVtYWlsJTNELVpuSmxaV0p6WkMxeGRXVnpkR2x2Ym5OQVpuSmxaV0p6WkM1dmNtY18lMjZjb2RlJTNEMDkyMjI4ODklMjZpZCUzRDIyNjI1ODgzMjElMjZpJTNEdDkyJTI2dWlkJTNEMTMzMzYxMjY1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 06:29:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11D11065674 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 06:29:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jahan@bol-online.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F0F8FC0A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 06:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so678212iwn.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:29:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.108.1 with SMTP id f1mr642340icp.132.1286346549727; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 23:29:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [115.127.8.85] Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:29:09 +0600 Message-ID: From: Aftab Jahan Subedar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: KDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:29:10 -0000 Dear colleagues, Actually I was trying to promote KDE/FreeBSD to my ISP (novice) users instead of Windows XP or so, for a virus free journey. But failed to install straight way from /usr/ports/x11/kde4 Its now gcc problem. waiting for gcc problem to be cleared. By hand can be solved (possibly) but this needs to be done automagically, due to ppl who does not understand much should be able to install right away. I dunno, if the developer team knows about it or not. Is there anyone has actually successfully installed directly from stable 8.1 /usr/ports/x11/kde4 ? -Jahan 10 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 06:39:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B95E106566C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 06:39:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3378A8FC15 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 06:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FJMR1f0050lTkoCA4JSY8Y; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:26:32 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FJSW1f0031f6R9u8QJSXna; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:26:32 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:26:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 23:26:30 -0700 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101006062629.GA6187@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CAB25B1.6050906@radel.com> <4CAB2731.9090502@exonetric.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CAB2731.9090502@exonetric.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: Vim 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:39:43 -0000 On Tue 05 Oct 2010 at 06:25:05 PDT Mark Blackman wrote: >Jon Radel wrote: >>I'm somewhat unclear on how that follows. Might it not be that many >>manufacturers, busily dealing with Microsoft, and easing into Linux now >>that it has significant "mindshare," have simply decided that there's no >>economic benefit to releasing detailed hardware specs in a form that >>works for FreeBSD developers? I really fail to see why you think the >>fact that the manufacturer itself has released binary drivers for >>Windows, and possibly Linux, and/or released hardware specs under NDA >>(non-disclosure agreement) to certain business partners, has any bearing >>on whether sufficient information to write a driver is available to any >>FreeBSD programmer with permission to use it to write an open source >>driver. > >There's also the whole train of thought that says FreeBSD isn't really >aimed at the desktop/laptop/notebook use model and any benefit in that >arena is entirely coincidental. I've often seen that opinion expressed, but never on the FreeBSD website or in any of its "official" materials. On the contrary, most of the official literature presents it as an OS for general-purpose computing, and not only for servers. If I'm wrong about and there is an official statement somewhere that the main intention is to provide an OS for servers, it would be good to know. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 06:50:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797361065672 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 06:50:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BECB8FC1A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 06:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so5550188fxm.13 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:50:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SjSwQvDaZyL5mq5+Z3+oOhQn1nX9Uz6qTESV+VLywKU=; b=fAFl2NdNuYkBA9C73I6HHj3rA5I+0i4hNa2ERU5IOqBfuScAXAtizxUKCIg8XihwXs HKIhqqAWUN7SHeClT1T2wEI4Ki0C5px3Dizlm6mHWp4V8C+xOPDEVlmGINMFzg6gkBS/ /vvsUqRhJxodtHu8lDpxIpsGK4xbbSDB8hmqE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=pfFDpYW5uAckc5ae5ujnMAPVWes5WfrKmn7JrjjSKSgH2wpZkwsr9B40i40Y1lcEi2 wA35m0nk0cOwgvW4Kfh/5bOifWy+W5HqO/G6CehUV1mLU+goFZ2LURrcVcV9lMO6etZy C2vkxq1o1fvSAib5YDVhKfWrw2iN/1jDWT7s0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.111.70 with SMTP id r6mr11735030fap.92.1286347847951; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.107.130 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 23:50:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 01:50:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Aftab Jahan Subedar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:50:49 -0000 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Aftab Jahan Subedar wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Actually I was trying to promote KDE/FreeBSD to my ISP (novice) users > instead of Windows XP or so, for a virus free journey. > > Is there anyone has actually successfully installed directly from > stable 8.1 /usr/ports/x11/kde4 ? > Sure, I do it regularly, yesterday in fact I built a fresh 8.1 STABLE, and compiled kde4. Worked like a champ no errors. However, if you're working with novice users, perhaps RELEASE and it's associated packages would be more suitable than STABLE + ports. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 08:10:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B6410656BB for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perikillo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63558FC1C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so795180iwn.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 01:10:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+Z129SqcjQgLzI8/f/QeECLsQZZYwVwXHIewEDgPVc4=; b=xDt2ANrfrzmYVMDnErQ4lX6z3EB7n02W1rcaR6JM0bONnxlbbx08REtJinXEo8PaJ0 iMOb95C0P9b7xOb6VQlV1MuQQwd/l64Wv3u3O21kmTuI02ERg3FpAuv1A/JxWIgz8swd rLRhL2jxtV37SpIz7rAbtQHsMkxaBQaqIodaY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=KGwlqzra5bQ7FuRQc9oDQfqM4TYeRsodqrbAMZJTJ+VJxFj0i/AomLIvSuDIWaueu8 vuaMgQsHVrB1oxAVBKFqv2cWESbpjQ4sWoY8qlWnNvXKHejR6fqjXPwxUH0/7TpSruH3 ceFbxuHSpg48ITfEc86CVM0QUd9u9iXSRiHD8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.2.81 with SMTP id 17mr13914789icj.40.1286350809905; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 00:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.2.198 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:40:09 -0700 Message-ID: From: perikillo To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Issues with FlowCleaner on a spam server. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:10:08 -0000 Hi my friends I have a big issue that I still cannot track what is causing that my server stop working. I have a spam gateway running: spamassassin clamavis amavis apache+mailgraph postfix bacula client apcupsd client My server is running freebsd 8.0-p2 AMD64. Raid-1. Copyright (c) 1992-2009 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE-p2 #5: Mon May 10 23:23:20 PDT 2010 root@filter.oakwest.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SPAMKER Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3110 @ 3.00GHz (2999.68-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x1067a Stepping = 10 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x408e3fd AMD Features=0x20100800 AMD Features2=0x1 TSC: P-state invariant real memory = 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory = 4119261184 (3928 MB) ACPI APIC Table: <090208 APIC1432> FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 For some reason that I still don't know, amavisd stop working, the port no longer answer any inbound, postfix, spamd, clamd works, amavisd is the issue normally. My server can work for a month, each weekend I update the ports and upgrade my packages, spamd rules every month are updated. No issue here, suddenly after a month or 4-5 weeks the server stop working, amavisd stop doing the job, I can access the server via ssh and see the issue. This is the 4th time that happens. My IDLE goes to 50%, when I start debugging I see a process called "FlowCleaner" eating 1 CPU. Always got the PID 20, looks like a internal process, I have been searching info about this process but not to much info. I cannot kill this process, I can restart clamd, spamd, apache, bacula, but amavisd is stuck. If I send a shutdown -r now won't work, my server just hang-up, if I press the power button won't work to. I have to do a cold reboot, I don't have other choice. I have read logs but don't see any issue (maillog, console, all, message). One thing to mention, is that every time this happen, my server fan's are working more faster that usual, the first day I detect this I create a batch that send every 5 minutes the core temperature using freebsd coretemp.ko module. Avg. I got 40'c for each core: dev.cpu.0.temperature: 42.0C dev.cpu.1.temperature: 41.0C I search around on Intel site and this chip max temp. is 70'c, I had never seen this number on my emails, the biggest number had been 54'c and this appear before my server got crazy yesterday: dev.cpu.0.temperature: 53.0C dev.cpu.1.temperature: 49.0C Something is causing this, a spam attack, memory leak mmm I had not seen my server use the whole 4GB ever. My friends, what do u you recommend to me to track this? Any input will be very appreciated, I got 1 month to track this before this happen again, thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 08:28:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E57B1065675 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60528FC13 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:28:00 +0200 Message-ID: <4CAC3310.3010104@ose.nl> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:28:00 +0200 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Issues with FlowCleaner on a spam server. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:28:04 -0000 On 10/06/2010 09=3A40 AM=2C perikillo wrote=3A =3E Hi my friends I have a big issue that I still cannot track what is =3E causing that my server stop working=2E =3E =20 may be this bug=3F http=3A//www=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/cgi/query-pr=2Ecgi=3Fpr=3Dkern/146792 a =22fix=22 is also in the report =3E I have a spam gateway running=3A =3E =3E spamassassin =3E clamavis =3E amavis =3E apache+mailgraph =3E postfix =3E bacula client =3E apcupsd client =3E =3E My server is running freebsd 8=2E0-p2 AMD64=2E Raid-1=2E =3E =3E Copyright =28c=29 1992-2009 The FreeBSD Project=2E =3E Copyright =28c=29 1979=2C 1980=2C 1983=2C 1986=2C 1988=2C 1989=2C 1991= =2C 1992=2C 1993=2C 1994 =3E The Regents of the University of California=2E All rights reser= ved=2E =3E FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation=2E =3E FreeBSD 8=2E0-RELEASE-p2 =235=3A Mon May 10 23=3A23=3A20 PDT 2010 =3E root=40filter=2Eoakwest=2Ecom=3A/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SPAMKER =3E Timecounter =22i8254=22 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 =3E CPU=3A Intel=28R=29 Xeon=28R=29 CPU E3110 =40 3=2E00GHz =282= 999=2E68-MHz K8-class CPU=29 =3E Origin =3D =22GenuineIntel=22 Id =3D 0x1067a Stepping =3D 10 =3E Features=3D0xbfebfbff=3CFPU=2CVME=2CDE=2CPSE=2CTSC=2CMSR=2CPAE=2CMCE= =2CCX8=2CAPIC=2CSEP=2CMTRR=2CPGE=2CMCA=2CCMOV=2CPAT=2CPSE36=2CCLFLUSH=2CDTS= =2CACPI=2CMMX=2CFXSR=2CSSE=2CSSE2=2CSS=2CHTT=2CTM=2CPBE=3E =3E Features2=3D0x408e3fd=3CSSE3=2CDTES64=2CMON=2CDS=5FCPL=2CVMX=2CSMX=2C= EST=2CTM2=2CSSSE3=2CCX16=2CxTPR=2CPDCM=2CSSE4=2E1=2CXSAVE=3E =3E AMD Features=3D0x20100800=3CSYSCALL=2CNX=2CLM=3E =3E AMD Features2=3D0x1=3CLAHF=3E =3E TSC=3A P-state invariant =3E real memory =3D 4294967296 =284096 MB=29 =3E avail memory =3D 4119261184 =283928 MB=29 =3E ACPI APIC Table=3A =3C090208 APIC1432=3E =3E FreeBSD/SMP=3A Multiprocessor System Detected=3A 2 CPUs =3E FreeBSD/SMP=3A 1 package=28s=29 x 2 core=28s=29 =3E cpu0 =28BSP=29=3A APIC ID=3A 0 =3E cpu1 =28AP=29=3A APIC ID=3A 1 =3E =3E For some reason that I still don=27t know=2C amavisd stop working=2C th= e =3E port no longer answer any inbound=2C postfix=2C spamd=2C clamd works=2C= =3E amavisd is the issue normally=2E =3E =3E My server can work for a month=2C each weekend I update the ports and= =3E upgrade my packages=2C spamd rules every month are updated=2E =3E =3E No issue here=2C suddenly after a month or 4-5 weeks the server stop =3E working=2C amavisd stop doing the job=2C I can access the server via ss= h =3E and see the issue=2E =3E =3E This is the 4th time that happens=2E =3E =3E My IDLE goes to 50=25=2C when I start debugging I see a process called= =3E =22FlowCleaner=22 eating 1 CPU=2E =3E =3E Always got the PID 20=2C looks like a internal process=2C I have been= =3E searching info about this process but not to much info=2E =3E =3E I cannot kill this process=2C I can restart clamd=2C spamd=2C apache=2C= =3E bacula=2C but amavisd is stuck=2E =3E =3E If I send a shutdown -r now won=27t work=2C my server just hang-up=2C i= f I =3E press the power button won=27t work to=2E =3E =3E I have to do a cold reboot=2C I don=27t have other choice=2E =3E =3E I have read logs but don=27t see any issue =28maillog=2C console=2C all= =2C message=29=2E =3E =3E One thing to mention=2C is that every time this happen=2C my server fan= =27s =3E are working more faster that usual=2C the first day I detect this I =3E create a batch that send every 5 minutes the core temperature using =3E freebsd coretemp=2Eko module=2E =3E =3E Avg=2E I got 40=27c for each core=3A =3E =3E dev=2Ecpu=2E0=2Etemperature=3A 42=2E0C =3E dev=2Ecpu=2E1=2Etemperature=3A 41=2E0C =3E =3E I search around on Intel site and this chip max temp=2E is 70=27c=2C I= had =3E never seen this number on my emails=2C the biggest number had been 54= =27c =3E and this appear before my server got crazy yesterday=3A =3E =3E dev=2Ecpu=2E0=2Etemperature=3A 53=2E0C =3E dev=2Ecpu=2E1=2Etemperature=3A 49=2E0C =3E =3E Something is causing this=2C a spam attack=2C memory leak mmm I had not= =3E seen my server use the whole 4GB ever=2E =3E =3E My friends=2C what do u you recommend to me to track this=3F =3E =3E Any input will be very appreciated=2C I got 1 month to track this befor= e =3E this happen again=2C thanks! =3E =20 DISCLAIMER=3A This e-mail is for the intended recipient=28s=29 only=2E Acce= ss=2C disclosure=2C copying=2C distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited=2E If yo= u have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system= =2E From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 09:01:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6B81065672 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:01:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christer.solskogen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A010A8FC14 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so17104qyk.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 02:01:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZSjDrrotSCBU+g7G7mlKhtLqzZEMhTSmCujm2NvU3NA=; b=cEyK0O9rbSvECEHExDRzJ9pq4XJmQNL1AIWvUzytdtoAFdbeysup/i4d2d/lyvTag4 6iwBfXbWsPqv1Nm8aLC0mdKim6K295B7/BJtSqei2l4w1L/0ZaPRoXndLGoZcVf5ZcEB G+nvOAVptmp18XdSI6ARgzCz6Fr89htTPj9zk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=I/49J0Sxx/kXloDGcfi1+ClgdAeFOP2f+VNYNxgCffJSAnnOQ7EeM5WDWpQ/YJAP1m XSgnuxc5xsQQmRY6kd6ex90ZCyQN8rn7tWe0OQjrecRpw1H0SDGOrdP4jA+M248Cy32H 3RRQiJw+gEINApOhHIzVj7bWHqsCy7yTKbxMQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.6.139 with SMTP id 11mr9297510qaz.233.1286354026946; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 01:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.223.143 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 01:33:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101005211935.7e82acb3@davenulle.org> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:33:46 +0200 Message-ID: From: Christer Solskogen To: Ed Flecko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Confused about keeping system up to date X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:01:23 -0000 On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Ed Flecko wrote: > Thanks Patrick! > > :-) > > 1.) How do you know if a patch applies just to the kernel? For > example, I'm looking at the security advisory 2010-09-20 > FreeBSD-SA-10:08.bzip2 ( > http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-10:08.bzip2.asc ), > but it isn't clear to me if it applies to just the kernel or...??? > If you need to recompile the kernel, the security advisory will tell you to. And it dont in that particular advisory. -- chs, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 11:36:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4AD106564A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:36:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F311D8FC1E for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-73-80.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.73.80]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D671E577; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:36:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o96Bab77001467; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:36:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:36:37 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20101006133637.b625241c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Aftab Jahan Subedar Subject: Re: KDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:36:40 -0000 On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 01:50:47 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Aftab Jahan Subedar wrote: > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > Actually I was trying to promote KDE/FreeBSD to my ISP (novice) users > > instead of Windows XP or so, for a virus free journey. > > > > Is there anyone has actually successfully installed directly from > > stable 8.1 /usr/ports/x11/kde4 ? > > > > Sure, I do it regularly, yesterday in fact I built a fresh 8.1 STABLE, and > compiled kde4. Worked like a champ no errors. However, if you're working > with novice users, perhaps RELEASE and it's associated packages would be > more suitable than STABLE + ports. I hope it doesn't sound impolite when I mention this, but why not give PC-BSD to novice users? Especially if an "out of the box" experience is needed, PC-BSD is fine, as it brings all possible stuff preinstalled and preconfigured. Still it's a real FreBSD under the hood, so no big "loss". -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 12:39:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD4F106564A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from h17liner@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98EE8FC28 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so7017696wyb.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 05:39:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=c/DFqAIFndhI2i5KC5iSvd3OrMuiIzWvs8alQ4rkPmU=; b=k/XD0ndYaTPltIi98UzWe5pXcVSQMELlVuE2r+zL5u9IzdBJh945Ojutg78Zoy+1L2 zaQhBbma89X2btwccb2vBqew2FXyrX9yBzZdd7b2BgCiWP8kuICTOaB3xZP0YiPT7l7t vUpHdO9vf5b001t0D3xyeGtQZDWA4xLtrsP0g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=v/RLsXuKN6dYisovryqahk+xRucktp/lLBkmCT36ww2HVLTCAavreApBqp54H1ukVa 4qxD+No95xDwyct6tpg7pM2wpaNuyp1oXHfbzpNGcJdcjxRhGYzBfIWgrq13hflaSLPy /kTbfS/UXSDFXCzR4f8ROVZfBaQZiWShzFKQM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.233.234 with SMTP id p84mr10572531weq.38.1286367454039; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 05:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.85 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 05:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:17:34 +0300 Message-ID: From: liNEr Crime To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: php5-mysqli problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:39:46 -0000 Cann't install /usr/ports/databases/php5-mysqli/ Error: /usr/local/include/mysql/m_string.h: In function 'lex_string_set': /usr/local/include/mysql/m_string.h:304: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/local/include/mysql/m_string.h:305: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/databases/php5-mysqli. *** Error code 1 FreeBSD free.web 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:55:53 UTC 2010 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 13:20:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04E1106564A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:20:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phanquochien@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416568FC0A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13so279876wwb.1 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:20:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NJQdBBWalq1KGN1vIzPtXjqj38EHUMteiQIreHUAXnA=; b=lfkFJHLlYNSio8GWRxZYlJGOxEeCBGv4OUAvECliQNJ3hDJdSIJmvADjhkMhRWHeLP vm9+UaDb9IBr6dEI/utmZC8PkMjS4Z50airjbys3UY+Le0b33V5U+OceTrbwh5jl7GIv uN0/Odf+NdQhHFhkZ+8ZzLy5JWi8oP/DoRh9c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=L7ZjZhXFr+XyvQ1YRswkse172Zr44VRkzExCd0yoTmxsv0Awe5i3cXOJ+IyYuwAjEy P5LNvnPraB5itpKaDLLiVekmuthxZTQ8m6CAgXnDD36H4bioMSnM/3/TvN6Y1r9VSevZ /4ExzDQ+R5cMGrsA4MIjX5g0SLfvX3F176gp4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.43.11 with SMTP id u11mr10081156wbe.200.1286371198333; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.142.194 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:19:58 +0700 Message-ID: From: Phan Quoc Hien To: liNEr Crime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: php5-mysqli problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:20:52 -0000 Which mysql client version? Try to use /usr/ports/lang/php5-extensions instead? On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:17 PM, liNEr Crime wrote: > Cann't install /usr/ports/databases/php5-mysqli/ > Error: > /usr/local/include/mysql/m_string.h: In function 'lex_string_set': > /usr/local/include/mysql/m_string.h:304: error: dereferencing pointer to > incomplete type > /usr/local/include/mysql/m_string.h:305: error: dereferencing pointer to > incomplete type > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/databases/php5-mysqli. > *** Error code 1 > > FreeBSD free.web 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:55:53 UTC > 2010 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Best regards, Mr.Hien E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com Website: www.mrhien.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 13:33:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959B2106566B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdsfbsd@att.net) Received: from smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.65.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 764D78FC12 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 41216 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2010 13:33:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1286371985; bh=ls93nz3JKA+RWQBxCokQkxQCs6uVo5cUlwupl4aRU9k=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Content-Type:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent; b=4Hc8y4WvE1lylLRxIaVjtVcpSnc4La9biUkoc9Q9iUh12EXDXEoBPqKcUiYfxwEctR7stuMP84Q037ZQSlT2wG6X+FAbluBC5u5mG4w9RZAsa2VrVb5NPiLQQ892al13UQ9hRTzwytVwbTGvDbeAN6NkUdQNTWlFrScnzLIpriQ= Received: from ack5833s2.ad.service.osu.edu (bdsfbsd@128.146.175.36 with login) by smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Oct 2010 06:33:04 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: d5tX3UiswBBe7eAro3WwBCIcMc7tMmv23kUXyA-- X-YMail-OSG: ptpFjagVM1mdY4Rhe2MlHOdJSvDJl_Y6aVakfo776iUt3JP s4HPV_8UQ24IiIMsGMUV8W17j5vDhwepFzLO_nD7xCgVfm37W7pWNxGCu9kO .OCj5E_br8XNfAbh1BWvCxSg.ZiIszCHsI1HTM_oBgEKAly1NpAqA929T_Oe RP.zN36KB9Cjb2gU8p0auaJ4PUdRD8YzKGrfXnlTnxGe8rxJlBFCJUfcM8MF hSUnllQ_VF5Sk64bi3G8dlHLNb.Te4FtZ0ML51snVIEnrXol7lMctT2lR6aR mj1iw X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: "Mikle Krutov" , "Matthias Apitz" References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:33:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable From: bdsfbsd@att.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.62 (Win32) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:33:05 -0000 On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:50:12 -0400, Matthias Apitz = wrote: > El d=EDa Monday, October 04, 2010 a las 11:33:02PM +0000, Mikle Krutov= = > escribi=F3: > >> Hello, list! >> I'm going to buy a netbook soon, so a question is which one. >> The choice is between >> 1) Samsung N127 >> 2) ASUS Eee PC 900AX >> 3) MSI U120-094 >> Which one is the best for running FreeBSD? >> "The best" mainly is for opensource (e.g. not ndis) & stable wireless= >> drivers. >> So, any good experience and suggestions? >> Thank you for your time! > > I have no idea about which would be the best one, > but I'm using right now (in the moment of typing) an EeePC 900, > details here: http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC-8CURRENT.txt > and this is just fine; > > HIH > > matthias > +1 on EeePC, mine being the 1000. This uses a not-yet-supported wireless= = card (rt2860), but a driver is available and seems to work fine: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D7010 http://repo.or.cz/w/ralink_drivers.git (Contrary to the troll-bait happening in a similar thread right now..) Matthias took the plunge for KDE, which I do like, but for my Eee I went= = with Xfce. Matthias' work and documentation is more thorough than mine, = so = I'm looking thorough it for ideas. BTW, the specs on the 900AX make me think that Asus is using the model t= o = offload old hardware. But if the price is very low, it still may be wort= h = it. Personally I prefer to have an SSD instead of HDD, and I wouldn't wa= nt = a screen any smaller than the 10". Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 14:32:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3171065695 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:32:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@exonetric.com) Received: from relay0.exonetric.net (relay0.exonetric.net [82.138.248.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0854F8FC15 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from markimac.fairfx.local (unknown [62.244.179.66]) by relay0.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC4A57006 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:31:58 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4CAC885E.8090103@exonetric.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:31:58 +0100 From: Mark Blackman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.13) Gecko/20100914 SeaMonkey/2.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CAB25B1.6050906@radel.com> <4CAB2731.9090502@exonetric.com> <20101006062629.GA6187@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <20101006062629.GA6187@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:32:00 -0000 Charlie Kester wrote: > On Tue 05 Oct 2010 at 06:25:05 PDT Mark Blackman wrote: >> >> There's also the whole train of thought that says FreeBSD isn't really >> aimed at the desktop/laptop/notebook use model and any benefit in that >> arena is entirely coincidental. > > I've often seen that opinion expressed, but never on the FreeBSD website > or in any of its "official" materials. > > On the contrary, most of the official literature presents it as an OS > for general-purpose computing, and not only for servers. > > If I'm wrong about and there is an official statement somewhere that the > main intention is to provide an OS for servers, it would be good to > know. It's derived from a server/workstation OS and I assume the number of FreeBSD deployed servers wildly outnumbers the desktop/notebook installations and the tag line is "The power to serve", so there's a strong server bias. However, lots of people of have put a lot of great work in to expand the desktop/notebook options for FreeBSD, but it's a big mountain to climb. - Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 14:41:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E973106564A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBA48FC13 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.4/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id o96EewXc094124 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:40:58 +0200 (CEST) X-Ids: 164 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373438A357 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:40:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 4583240AC; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:42:40 +0000 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101006164240.GA15467@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Miltered: at jchkmail.jussieu.fr with ID 4CAC8A7A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4CAC8A7A.001/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:41:00 -0000 Chad Perrin wrote: > Another thing to consider is the ease of maintaining the software on > > the machine. My personal opinion is that Ubuntu (more generally > > Debian) > > is light years ahead of FreeBSD in this domain. > > How is it "light years ahead" of FreeBSD for "the ease of maintaining > the > software on the machine"? I'm curious about what you mean. I mean that the concept of maintaining a full set of binary packages which has been verified by the distribution maintainers and remain usable for an extended period of time, combined with an effective binary upgrader (apt-get, aptitude), is light years ahead, for ease of use and convenience, to a rolling release style "bazar" like FreeBSD ports, combined with tools like portupgrade, which sort of work only when you spend all your time running them daily, after having sacrificed a young virgin to the gods. I concede that the FreeBSD way allows to have very up to date ports, and to be in control of compilation options and so on. Personnally i don't have much use for these benefits. Of course i am aware that these assertions are quite heretic in this community, however i remark that the above considerations have found their way for the base system, since there exists definite releases, thoroughly verified by the developers, and suffering only security bug fixes, which moreover can be upgraded with binary tools. Even more, there are ports freezes, during the preparation of these releases, allowing to get a relatively coherent set of packages for the release. One may imagine this is the first step in a similar strategy for the ports as for the base system. But in this very thread, most competent ports folks explain us that the first thing to do is throw away the ports tree which has been used in the release and consequently the packages which have been compiled with it, and preferably indulge in the daily ritual of running csup, and invoking the manes of portupgrade or portmaster, of course after having carefully read UPDATING. Beleive it or not, i click on an icon of my Ubuntu laptop, and get the same result without any further interaction. -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 15:12:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4623C1065672 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:12:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059528FC08 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-73-80.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.73.80]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CF91E6A5; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:12:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o96FCbue002226; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:12:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:12:37 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Mark Blackman Message-Id: <20101006171237.efafbc26.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4CAC885E.8090103@exonetric.com> References: <4CAB25B1.6050906@radel.com> <4CAB2731.9090502@exonetric.com> <20101006062629.GA6187@comcast.net> <4CAC885E.8090103@exonetric.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:12:40 -0000 On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:31:58 +0100, Mark Blackman wrote: > It's derived from a server/workstation OS and I assume the number of > FreeBSD deployed servers wildly outnumbers the desktop/notebook > installations and the tag line is "The power to serve", so there's > a strong server bias. This is basically (because historically) correct. Still, FreeBSD is considered a multi-purpose OS which is not restricted (!) to server use. > However, lots of people of have put a lot of great work in to expand > the desktop/notebook options for FreeBSD, but it's a big mountain to climb. That's true. The more "advanced" (often means: incompatible and not standard-compliant) devices get, the less support can be offered by FreeBSD. One of its main advantages is that it can turn older laptops and desktops into usable systems that would otherwise be considered "totally outdated". With each step in its OS development, FreeBSD usually gets faster and better (on the same hardware), in opposite to many other OSes. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 15:25:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909151065693 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C978FC1A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-73-80.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.73.80]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE831DC97; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:25:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o96FPE3n002252; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:25:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:25:13 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Michel Talon Message-Id: <20101006172513.a424aad3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101006164240.GA15467@lpthe.jussieu.fr> References: <20101006164240.GA15467@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:25:16 -0000 On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:42:40 +0000, Michel Talon wrote: > I mean that the concept of maintaining a full set of binary packages > which has been verified by the distribution maintainers and remain > usable for an extended period of time, combined with an effective > binary upgrader (apt-get, aptitude), is light years ahead, for ease of > use and convenience, to a rolling release style "bazar" like FreeBSD > ports, combined with tools like portupgrade, which sort of work only > when you spend all your time running them daily, after having sacrificed > a young virgin to the gods. Erm... no. First of all, I have better uses for virgins, and then, portupgrade -p is a very useful mechanism for binary updating of installed applications. Sadly, not all applications CAN be installed by or upgraded from binary packages, as those don't exist due to the amount of available options that have to be set at compile time. A well-known example is OpenOffice. The times when you could run "pkg_add -r de-openoffice" to get a precompiled OpenOffice including german localisation and dictionaries are over. There are also restrictions that have their roots in laws, such as the prohibition of codec distribution (yes, I know, that's totally idiotic from a user's point of view), requiring programs like mplayer to be compiled with certain options if you want the "illegal" (bah!) codecs that make mplayer play everything. Oh, and another example might be X if you want to run it the "traditional" way without HAL and DBUS. > I concede that the FreeBSD way allows to have > very up to date ports, and to be in control of compilation options and > so on. Personnally i don't have much use for these benefits. I do share this opinion in many regards and settings. Binary installation is a big advantage especially if you're low on resources. But sometimes, you can't avoid it. > Even more, > there are ports freezes, during the preparation of these releases, > allowing to get a relatively coherent set of packages for the release. VERY important for offline installations. You don't want bleeding-edge broken programs there. > One may imagine this is the first step in a similar strategy for the > ports as for the base system. Tools like portupgrade allow using the precompiled packages from the Latest/ subtree as a means of upgrading without compiling. > But in this very thread, most competent > ports folks explain us that the first thing to do is throw away the > ports tree which has been used in the release and consequently the > packages which have been compiled with it, and preferably indulge in the > daily ritual of running csup, and invoking the manes of portupgrade > or portmaster, of course after having carefully read UPDATING. Oh, this HEAVILY depends on your setting, on your requirements. For a system where "install once, then keep using" is the prime directive, the approach you mentioned does not fit well. For a system that you want to test the latest software, where you INTENDEDLY want beeding-edge, it's the best way. You could make up the following associations: RELEASE system - pkg_add from RELEASE/ - ports tree from CD STABLE system - pkg_add from Latest/ - ports updated per portsnap CURRENT system - no pkg_add - ports updated per csup Please don't see this list as a mandatory ruleset. Mixed approaches may be the best solution in different settings. > Beleive it or not, i click on an icon of my Ubuntu laptop, and get the > same result without any further interaction. Which *may* cause your system to break. Don not understand this as an insult or claim. I have limited experience with Linux, but those that I have, especially as a supporter of "newbies" and "average users" show that Linux holds other kinds of confusion that I don't want to describe here in detail. FreeBSD is a system that always goes the SAFE ROUTE, because that is what its users expect - and often REQUIRE. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 15:48:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906951065675 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kma@mrecic.gov.ar) Received: from mx1.mrecic.gov.ar (mx1.mrecic.gov.ar [200.16.99.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176388FC14 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mrelmx07.mrec.ar ([140.191.48.38]) by mx1.mrecic.gov.ar with ESMTP; 06 Oct 2010 12:18:35 -0300 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mrelmx07.mrec.ar (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEEA71D2C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:18:35 -0300 (ART) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mrelmx07.mrec.ar Received: from mrelmx07.mrec.ar ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mrelmx07.mrec.ar [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kDp+4Q0--LCm for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:18:34 -0300 (ART) Received: from mrelmx06.mrec.ar (mrelmx10.mrec.ar [140.191.48.45]) by mrelmx07.mrec.ar (Postfix) with ESMTP id C717871D2B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:18:34 -0300 (ART) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:18:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Mai To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <1258599465.73510.1286378314723.JavaMail.root@mrelmx10.mrec.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [140.191.48.40] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.6_GA_2330.DEBIAN5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Linux)/6.0.6_GA_2330.DEBIAN5_64) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: LDAP Authentication from console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:48:11 -0000 Hey guys, I've already configured PAM to authenticate against ldap and it works wonderful using ssh/su/sudo/etc, but when I try to log in from console it prompts: login: kma Password: xxxxxxxx LDAP Password: xxxxxxxx (same as the first one) Login Incorrect login: What am I missing? It's the same setup other FreeBSD servers are using! I'd really appreciate your help :) Kind regards, Kevin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 16:59:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE461065675 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:59:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email1.allantgroup.com (email1.emsphone.com [199.67.51.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A078FC24 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email1.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id o96Gxs89032582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:59:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o96Gxshl060357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:59:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o96Gxrpm060340; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:59:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:59:53 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Kevin Mai Message-ID: <20101006165953.GN40148@dan.emsphone.com> References: <1258599465.73510.1286378314723.JavaMail.root@mrelmx10.mrec.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1258599465.73510.1286378314723.JavaMail.root@mrelmx10.mrec.ar> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96 at email1.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email1.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:59:55 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: LDAP Authentication from console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:59:58 -0000 In the last episode (Oct 06), Kevin Mai said: > Hey guys, > > I've already configured PAM to authenticate against ldap and it works > wonderful using ssh/su/sudo/etc, but when I try to log in from console it > prompts: > > login: kma > Password: xxxxxxxx > LDAP Password: xxxxxxxx (same as the first one) > Login Incorrect > login: Compare /etc/pam.d/login against one of your other pam services that works. What I do on my servers is add pam_ldap to pam.d/system, then blow away most of the lines in the other files and replace them with auth include system account include system session include system password include system , so I know everything uses the same configuration. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 17:02:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43071065674 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:02:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhelfman@e-e.com) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [72.29.183.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8308FC0C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251F7F2F38A; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:02:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=e-e.com; h= user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type :content-type:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:subject :from:from:date:date:received:received:received; s=ee; t= 1286384578; x=1288198978; bh=lKiiO/DSzt1uMyPVa9pBCDsr3Kyzei98i+r oMk5xLEw=; b=enSYP7O4iT5qzzF1m0K1HdJ1zCgebfXOXZeaFimNX3Un6ZJfM6V +euiudiJSANKPybkEQtUau26/2y3T70GphOYeaQqq5X+CgkX8h44j58pI7FTIs9h +pZ+0htVIBHU9N1gWTIpLJHYOLp2lyAQpgIfg0pG1+eN/Wo8LeAOoLpY= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at experts-exchange.com Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f5oe2ulANFf6; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eggman.experts-exchange.com (unknown [192.168.103.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jhelfman) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93C72F2F36E; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eggman.experts-exchange.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:00:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:00:08 -0700 From: Jason To: Dan Nelson Message-ID: <20101006170008.GC79870@eggman.experts-exchange.com> References: <1258599465.73510.1286378314723.JavaMail.root@mrelmx10.mrec.ar> <20101006165953.GN40148@dan.emsphone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101006165953.GN40148@dan.emsphone.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.3-RELEASE-p2 X-Living-The-Dream: I love the SLO Life! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions , Kevin Mai Subject: Re: LDAP Authentication from console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:02:58 -0000 On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 11:59:53AM -0500, Dan Nelson thus spake: >In the last episode (Oct 06), Kevin Mai said: >> Hey guys, >> >> I've already configured PAM to authenticate against ldap and it works >> wonderful using ssh/su/sudo/etc, but when I try to log in from console it >> prompts: >> >> login: kma >> Password: xxxxxxxx >> LDAP Password: xxxxxxxx (same as the first one) >> Login Incorrect >> login: > >Compare /etc/pam.d/login against one of your other pam services that works. >What I do on my servers is add pam_ldap to pam.d/system, then blow away most >of the lines in the other files and replace them with > >auth include system >account include system >session include system >password include system > >, so I know everything uses the same configuration. Back when I had used LDAP for authentication I also needed to edit /etc/nsswitch.conf Not sure if this is still the case, or if I was doing it incorrectly, however not having didn't give me the ability to login via ldap. -jgh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 17:50:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF838106566B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:50:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEC28FC13 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so3594267ewy.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:50:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.29.1 with SMTP id h1mr8749446eea.4.1286387444214; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.29.76 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:50:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [69.91.159.14] In-Reply-To: <4CAB2731.9090502@exonetric.com> References: <4CAB25B1.6050906@radel.com> <4CAB2731.9090502@exonetric.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:50:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:50:45 -0000 On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Mark Blackman wrote: > There's also the whole train of thought that says FreeBSD isn't really > aimed at the desktop/laptop/notebook use model and any benefit in that arena > is entirely coincidental. That tends to be my perspective. Linux tends to be more useful on laptops and desktops, where up-to-the-minute hardware support is needed. For servers, where stability is important, I tend to prefer BSD, all other things being equal. Besides the mindshare issue that's been mentioned, part of the problem here is the balkanized nature of open source licenses, too. Linux driver code is useless to FreeBSD developers because the GPL isn't compatible with the BSD license. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 18:10:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B9E106566C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E104C8FC1C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 11360 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2010 18:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2010 18:10:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Gzw6esw5QZgiZCerjcE7ISBKVAPbCMJ9YGchJL0dbQzdtiD86DSjHoxGfQVU+pOwTjjWT+rjQtrs9nbdH2Uj+t+6C9cJF3ukqzQo2pIrq7OhMRInyOEmmpLxys9OEY2Q; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3YRn-0007ue-3X for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:10:36 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:06:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:06:01 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20101006180601.GA75552@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: third-party ports/packages sources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:10:37 -0000 --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there some way to set up a third-party online source for ports and/or packages that allows users to do the same kinds of things they can do with the official ports system? I mean, for instance, using portversion to check whether there are new versions available (or an equivalent operation) and possibly even checking for security issues via portaudit. I see, looking at the manpage for portversion, this: PKG_DBDIR Alternative location for the installed package database. The default is ``/var/db/pkg''. PORTSDIR Alternative location for the ports tree and the ports database files. The default is ``/usr/ports''. I also see some stuff in pkgtools.conf comments that might pertain to this sort of thing, but I'm not entirely clear yet on how this might be used to access a third-party repository for ports without breaking normal operation. If there's a tutorial out there that would explain how to do something like this, I have not yet found it. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkysuokACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUt8wCcChiBtXm5dgqVLqjZgkgA3jev jroAoM13HhNfRw7G2w/5uBWiSM4lX+gv =nEB4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 18:18:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800EE1065670 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:18:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 486A88FC13 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 2762 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2010 18:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2010 18:18:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=JPvWzWM/hfk0ih3q/TYtIt3gGmBoWlnXaZVH11V53MykKURoMj7xAP6D2ytB5br7Dl2AcqY3OVGFTu8gLgOJG1MPtE685Abpcpvbmnto5HAYwVGr1lXZIAYdqalxyN9h; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3YZW-0001ob-KQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:18:35 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:14:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:14:01 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101006181401.GB75552@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CAB25B1.6050906@radel.com> <4CAB2731.9090502@exonetric.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:18:36 -0000 --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 10:50:42AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Mark Blackman wrote: > > There's also the whole train of thought that says FreeBSD isn't really > > aimed at the desktop/laptop/notebook use model and any benefit in that = arena > > is entirely coincidental. >=20 > That tends to be my perspective. Linux tends to be more useful on > laptops and desktops, where up-to-the-minute hardware support is > needed. For servers, where stability is important, I tend to prefer > BSD, all other things being equal. Weird. I guess maybe my excellent experience of using FreeBSD on my ThinkPad is "wrong", and so is my experience of various Linux distributions having more maintenance issues than FreeBSD on similar hardware, and I should stop. >=20 > Besides the mindshare issue that's been mentioned, part of the problem > here is the balkanized nature of open source licenses, too. Linux > driver code is useless to FreeBSD developers because the GPL isn't > compatible with the BSD license. I don't think that's the case. Maybe such drivers cannot be integrated directly with the base system without licensing issues, but it can certainly be distributed and installed when appropriate. It is, in fact, for this reason of compatibility that FreeBSD has had ZFS support where Linux-based systems have not. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkysvGkACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVp/wCcCqrLbY4fs+40xrMK2/D3qSAA 0zgAoK8hRGwBqmvmM9icOV/wpZxiBSDr =vPgy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 18:19:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2ADC1065679 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:19:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AB498FC14 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24895 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2010 18:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2010 18:19:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=SuMmfqGmylmXdITc2z+MishzWNx88g04QMSnITd088K+R0orHSJQB2dWb63OiAKjZm7ltzQTLPSL2XvQY0P6WstChAHEAPT5YBzNsKcAacmIYxURARcr8riwVVlXuhpx; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Ya8-0002Zi-Po for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:19:13 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:14:39 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:14:39 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101006181439.GC75552@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101005171851.GC70749@guilt.hydra> <4CABD4ED.9000103@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:19:14 -0000 --jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 11:11:23AM +0700, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: > Hello everyone, > Which laptop vendor is best support for FreeBSD ? I've had good luck with ThinkPads. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkysvI8ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX7LQCgxQzA7Buc3RWvvZkX4A7TuEH3 h3YAmwSE1ASawxamj5HPh6cff/UjmD3K =DC2D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 18:27:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA711065672 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:27:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 775428FC08 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14417 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2010 18:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2010 18:27:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ku0tJSe3tDOsBGPPIDzVCElYrGobLNO5NcAc5faZmKRhT9cpTqvS9gtP9QiN1Bz0IG0r37MVBhNDNmkvIoLudT0b4pIiPBQIypp3Bf+KyjjYPP8LEeOwiZ/Du+SJTj6I; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Yhf-0004m8-VS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:27:01 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:22:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:22:26 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101006182226.GD75552@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101006164240.GA15467@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iVCmgExH7+hIHJ1A" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101006164240.GA15467@lpthe.jussieu.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:27:01 -0000 --iVCmgExH7+hIHJ1A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:42:40PM +0000, Michel Talon wrote: >=20 > I mean that the concept of maintaining a full set of binary packages=20 > which has been verified by the distribution maintainers and remain > usable for an extended period of time, combined with an effective > binary upgrader (apt-get, aptitude), is light years ahead, for ease of > use and convenience, to a rolling release style "bazar" like FreeBSD > ports, combined with tools like portupgrade, which sort of work only=20 > when you spend all your time running them daily, after having sacrificed > a young virgin to the gods. I concede that the FreeBSD way allows to have= =20 > very up to date ports, and to be in control of compilation options and > so on. Personnally i don't have much use for these benefits. I don't have the kinds of problems you imply. Portupgrade works great, even if I don't touch it for a week or so, at least for me. There are benefits to a rolling release process, too: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=3D4150 --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --iVCmgExH7+hIHJ1A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkysvmIACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX5RACdGkczRaw3chCf3PXVq1XracWm +MUAmgP1KVR9uPfoNL/IfMv0rD+HPIAH =Bqe1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iVCmgExH7+hIHJ1A-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 18:49:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15DC1065696 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:49:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (fed1rmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.241.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E3B8FC22 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:49:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101006184953.YLSY3990.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:49:53 -0400 Received: from asus64 ([72.220.91.53]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id FWps1f00d194WAG04Wpsac; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:49:53 -0400 X-VR-Score: -90.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZQ6Y7pMpbf3IjBwcEMB58TnwUaYQ/k9O+va7hVMiiyI= c=1 sm=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kGT7vLq0O+GHAcZnhcuE1w==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=j4Y_AHyLZSSTjWPZtRwA:9 a=U5xLy_wjbx8UPPd6wPIA:7 a=loGx_XVVi9W3a1NcLLdXlbqyDMQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=kGT7vLq0O+GHAcZnhcuE1w==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:49:47 -0700 From: Robert Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101006114947.3cb1dcd0@asus64> In-Reply-To: <20101004114249.738a80fa@asus64> References: <20101004120028.1860F10657D0@hub.freebsd.org> <20101005020924.H59829@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20101004114249.738a80fa@asus64> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OT: fdisk - Data Recovered X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:49:54 -0000 On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:42:49 -0700 Robert wrote: > On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:53:09 +1100 (EST) > Ian Smith wrote: > > Ian > > I am in the process of dd the entire disk to a 1TB disk but I wanted > to respond to you. You have given a lot of good advice and > information and I appreciate it. > To all who responded to my ntfs fiasco, not only do I thank you but the wife passes along her thanks and makes the point that she didn't need a second bottle of wine. :-) The above dd operation finished late last night but I didn't start working on until this morning. Using FreeBSD it acted exactly as the other dd attempts did, i.e. I could mount_ntfs /dev/ad6 and see the same as I did before but ad6s1 failed to mount as ntfs. ad6s1 would mount with no fs specified but nothing was readable. I rebooted into Windows XP and to my surprise the computer restarted right after the desktop rendered. I then booted into safe mode with command prompt. This booted successfully and then I changed drives until I found the data I was looking for. The 1tb drive, now showing as 500GB, appeared as drive G: I ran chkdsk against g: and after finding and clearing several errors it quit without completing. I tried to boot normal and the computer rebooted after the desktop rendered again. I then booted into safe mode and it came up and ran OK. I was able to open the drive and see the data I needed. I inserted a thumb drive and copied the data over. I'm her hero again and we will have the second bottle tonight. :-) Thanks again to everyone for all the great help. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 19:05:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C8C106566B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:05:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from BMRuhe@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE56D8FC13 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Oct 2010 18:39:17 -0000 Received: from host-194-46-229-167.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net (EHLO T42.fqdn.th-h.de) [194.46.229.167] by mail.gmx.net (mp050) with SMTP; 06 Oct 2010 20:39:17 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1370831 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19goy04+PlgH+alSJXVdV0EO+9Wr0O23gmWyaWOQs bdtWTVS+UYOM2K Message-ID: <4CACC242.7020903@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:38:58 +0100 From: Michael Ruhe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100928 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CAB25B1.6050906@radel.com> <4CAB2731.9090502@exonetric.com> <20101006181401.GB75552@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20101006181401.GB75552@guilt.hydra> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:05:59 -0000 Hi guys, normally I am just listening to what is communicated related to the FreeBSD OS. But here I feel that I can contribute something for "Which OS for notebook". I really do share the opinion that a "good" Linux might be more suitable for notebooks for "Newbees", on the other hand I am using Freebsd for day to day business also on a Thinkpad T42. I was able to successfully install and get FreeBSD running on numerous different brands of notebooks. Sure, you need time to compile and knowledge how to get things up and running. But don't underestimate what you gain doing things yourself. To install for example Ubuntu.... its running out of the box. FreeBSD expects you to have a sound knowledge of OS's. At this stage I would like to thank all people contributing to FreeBSD for the good documentation and the profound knowledge. Only a few things are missing like "skype" but almost all other applications are running fine. I also tested PC-BSD.... it's working nice, but for fine tuning and learning pure FreeBSD will be my favourite. By the way I made my own documentation what suits best. Feel free to ask and I will be happy to provide you with this document. Hope this helps Regards Michael On 10/06/10 19:14, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 10:50:42AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Mark Blackman wrote: >>> There's also the whole train of thought that says FreeBSD isn't really >>> aimed at the desktop/laptop/notebook use model and any benefit in that arena >>> is entirely coincidental. >> >> That tends to be my perspective. Linux tends to be more useful on >> laptops and desktops, where up-to-the-minute hardware support is >> needed. For servers, where stability is important, I tend to prefer >> BSD, all other things being equal. > > Weird. I guess maybe my excellent experience of using FreeBSD on my > ThinkPad is "wrong", and so is my experience of various Linux > distributions having more maintenance issues than FreeBSD on similar > hardware, and I should stop. > > >> >> Besides the mindshare issue that's been mentioned, part of the problem >> here is the balkanized nature of open source licenses, too. Linux >> driver code is useless to FreeBSD developers because the GPL isn't >> compatible with the BSD license. > > I don't think that's the case. Maybe such drivers cannot be integrated > directly with the base system without licensing issues, but it can > certainly be distributed and installed when appropriate. It is, in fact, > for this reason of compatibility that FreeBSD has had ZFS support where > Linux-based systems have not. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 19:18:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737681065673 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:18:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8F78FC1A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FNdy1f00416LCl05CXJch1; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:18:36 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FXJa1f00M1f6R9u3SXJbYF; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:18:36 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:18:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:18:32 -0700 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101006191832.GA1130@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CAB25B1.6050906@radel.com> <4CAB2731.9090502@exonetric.com> <20101006062629.GA6187@comcast.net> <4CAC885E.8090103@exonetric.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CAC885E.8090103@exonetric.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: Vim 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:18:36 -0000 On Wed 06 Oct 2010 at 07:31:58 PDT Mark Blackman wrote: >Charlie Kester wrote: >>On Tue 05 Oct 2010 at 06:25:05 PDT Mark Blackman wrote: >>> >>>There's also the whole train of thought that says FreeBSD isn't really >>>aimed at the desktop/laptop/notebook use model and any benefit in that >>>arena is entirely coincidental. >> >>I've often seen that opinion expressed, but never on the FreeBSD website >>or in any of its "official" materials. >> >>On the contrary, most of the official literature presents it as an OS >>for general-purpose computing, and not only for servers. >> >>If I'm wrong about and there is an official statement somewhere that the >>main intention is to provide an OS for servers, it would be good to >>know. > >It's derived from a server/workstation OS and I assume the number of >FreeBSD deployed servers wildly outnumbers the desktop/notebook >installations and the tag line is "The power to serve", so there's a >strong server bias. Yet if you go to http://www.freebsd.org the first thing you will read is that "FreeBSD is an advanced operating system for modern server, desktop, and embedded computer platforms." Nothing about a bias toward servers or that it "isn't really aimed at the desktop/laptop/notebook use model." If FreeBSD is really aimed primarily at servers, I would expect to see something about this in the goals statement found in the FAQ and Handbook. But there's no such indication there. So I can see why some people might be frustrated by the lack of attention to some important issues for desktop/laptop/notebook hardware support. Nothing in the project literature tells them it's not a priority. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 19:19:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2822E1065706 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perikillo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A048FC1B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4so3342704gyg.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:19:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=p1StZHOBdY1GeptnnSGNHocyE+HFtEQQWNkmhfip6/A=; b=fUJQdCUKN1X4HYde/7Wvp/xoGlHfke5Vocc1v0UUR+aZhtV57ZuDXg0aJJmo+gp+Dq 4ab0RME5n40W0lK7lNatz/96FAeKyJaAibo2RB7UdKdknjemv2jJb6AH4LjzDWgS7K92 +anwLSXuHLYpVIRtBVLaG4BKRfwLif6fDTqq8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ohSlHfLNW7xBsxMRqENLafMKJ6OYKQfeDmH09sqIzaHCl31GN77thquin5dUFkJ9Wn HeFDMY/9oggq/Cc9cGPsq5Afvsc+3S4cGQnSudeOh1ts+5z+sHSlJbKd4HqK5QFhQ6+c kgYW7uGD87TCSoPq2CShXD92Dnnnl9qGVbnds= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.134.74 with SMTP id k10mr1081373ict.176.1286392769979; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.2.198 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:19:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CAC3310.3010104@ose.nl> References: <4CAC3310.3010104@ose.nl> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:19:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: perikillo To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Issues with FlowCleaner on a spam server. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:19:31 -0000 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Bas Smeelen wrote: > On 10/06/2010 09:40 AM, perikillo wrote: >> Hi my friends I have a big issue that I still cannot track what is >> causing that my server stop working. >> > may be this bug? > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dkern/146792 > a "fix" is also in the report >> I have a spam gateway running: >> >> spamassassin >> clamavis >> amavis >> apache+mailgraph >> postfix >> bacula client >> apcupsd client >> >> My server is running freebsd 8.0-p2 AMD64. Raid-1. >> >> Copyright (c) 1992-2009 The FreeBSD Project. >> Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 The Regents of the University of California. All rights = reserved. >> FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. >> FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE-p2 #5: Mon May 10 23:23:20 PDT 2010 >> =A0 =A0 root@filter.oakwest.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SPAMKER >> Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 >> CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 E3110 =A0@ 3.00GHz (2999.6= 8-MHz K8-class CPU) >> =A0 Origin =3D "GenuineIntel" =A0Id =3D 0x1067a =A0Stepping =3D 10 >> =A0 Features=3D0xbfebfbff >> =A0 Features2=3D0x408e3fd >> =A0 AMD Features=3D0x20100800 >> =A0 AMD Features2=3D0x1 >> =A0 TSC: P-state invariant >> real memory =A0=3D 4294967296 (4096 MB) >> avail memory =3D 4119261184 (3928 MB) >> ACPI APIC Table: <090208 APIC1432> >> FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs >> FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) >> =A0cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: =A00 >> =A0cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: =A01 >> >> For some reason that I still don't know, amavisd stop working, the >> port no longer answer any inbound, postfix, spamd, clamd works, >> amavisd is the issue normally. >> >> My server can work for a month, each weekend I update the ports and >> upgrade my packages, spamd rules every month are updated. >> >> No issue here, suddenly after a month or 4-5 weeks the server stop >> working, amavisd stop doing the job, I can access the server via ssh >> and see the issue. >> >> This is the 4th time that happens. >> >> My IDLE goes to 50%, when I start debugging I see a process called >> "FlowCleaner" eating 1 CPU. >> >> Always got the PID 20, looks like a internal process, I have been >> searching info about this process but not to much info. >> >> I cannot kill this process, I can restart clamd, spamd, apache, >> bacula, but amavisd is stuck. >> >> If I send a shutdown -r now won't work, my server just hang-up, if I >> press the power button won't work to. >> >> I have to do a cold reboot, I don't have other choice. >> >> I have read logs but don't see any issue (maillog, console, all, message= ). >> >> One thing to mention, is that every time this happen, my server fan's >> are working more faster that usual, the first day I detect this I >> create a batch that send every 5 minutes the core temperature using >> freebsd coretemp.ko module. >> >> Avg. I got 40'c for each core: >> >> dev.cpu.0.temperature: 42.0C >> dev.cpu.1.temperature: 41.0C >> >> I search around on Intel site and this chip max temp. is 70'c, I had >> never seen this number on my emails, the biggest number had been 54'c >> and this appear before my server got crazy yesterday: >> >> dev.cpu.0.temperature: 53.0C >> dev.cpu.1.temperature: 49.0C >> >> Something is causing this, a spam attack, memory leak mmm I had not >> seen my server use the whole 4GB ever. >> >> My friends, what do u you recommend to me to track this? >> >> Any input will be very appreciated, I got 1 month to track this before >> this happen again, thanks! >> > > DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, di= sclosure, copying, > distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If yo= u have received it > by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your syste= m. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > Hey Bas thanks, I will try that, I had read the link u mention and I have the same behavior, is not a router but I have the option inside my kernel: options FLOWTABLE # per-cpu routing cache I had seen that we can disable with sysctl, I will try to disable and wait for a month and see if my spam server don't have issues like this anymore. I will let u know, thanks again Bas. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 19:40:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2831065675 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:40:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:3080::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A928FC1A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8253E7016; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:40:55 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: FreeBSD Mailing List x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.13.13; tzolkin = 3 Ben; haab = 6 Yax Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:40:54 -0700 Message-ID: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:40:55 -0000 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/178267 And yes, there it is, in /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c: * 4.3. Licensee shall not export, either directly or indirectly, any of this * software or system incorporating such software without first obtaining any * required license or other approval from the U. S. Department of Commerce or * any other agency or department of the United States Government. In the * event Licensee exports any such software from the United States or * re-exports any such software from a foreign destination, Licensee shall * ensure that the distribution and export/re-export of the software is in * compliance with all laws, regulations, orders, or other restrictions of the * U.S. Export Administration Regulations. Licensee agrees that neither it nor * any of its subsidiaries will export/re-export any technical data, process, * software, or service, directly or indirectly, to any country for which the * United States government or any agency thereof requires an export license, * other governmental approval, or letter of assurance, without first obtaining * such license, approval or letter. So, is such approval on file with the FreeBSD Foundation? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 19:54:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF53106566B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:54:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5E98FC0C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 19414E806E7; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:54:35 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: bdsfbsd@att.net Message-ID: <20101006195435.GC25141@thought.org> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. 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User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Mikle Krutov , Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:54:23 -0000 On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 09:33:08AM -0400, bdsfbsd@att.net wrote: > On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:50:12 -0400, Matthias Apitz > wrote: > > >El día Monday, October 04, 2010 a las 11:33:02PM +0000, Mikle > >Krutov escribió: > > > >>Hello, list! > >>I'm going to buy a netbook soon, so a question is which one. > >>The choice is between > >>1) Samsung N127 > >>2) ASUS Eee PC 900AX > >>3) MSI U120-094 > >>Which one is the best for running FreeBSD? > >>"The best" mainly is for opensource (e.g. not ndis) & stable wireless > >>drivers. > >>So, any good experience and suggestions? > >>Thank you for your time! > > > >I have no idea about which would be the best one, > >but I'm using right now (in the moment of typing) an EeePC 900, > >details here: http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC-8CURRENT.txt > >and this is just fine; > > > >HIH > > > > matthias > > > > +1 on EeePC, mine being the 1000. This uses a not-yet-supported > wireless card (rt2860), but a driver is available and seems to work > fine: > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=7010 > http://repo.or.cz/w/ralink_drivers.git > (Contrary to the troll-bait happening in a similar thread right now..) > > Matthias took the plunge for KDE, which I do like, but for my Eee I > went with Xfce. Matthias' work and documentation is more thorough > than mine, so I'm looking thorough it for ideas. > > BTW, the specs on the 900AX make me think that Asus is using the > model to offload old hardware. But if the price is very low, it > still may be worth it. Personally I prefer to have an SSD instead of > HDD, and I wouldn't want a screen any smaller than the 10". > > Brian This brings a question to mind; maybe you know; maybe somebody else on the list does. Say that I buy an EEE 10" Atom, max out the memory and go for a 160G hard drive. Will I be able to upgrade to a SSD in a few years? gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.90a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 19:59:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9990106564A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:59:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kma@mrecic.gov.ar) Received: from mx1.mrecic.gov.ar (mx1.mrecic.gov.ar [200.16.99.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9FA8FC0A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mrelmx08.mrec.ar ([140.191.48.40]) by mx1.mrecic.gov.ar with ESMTP; 06 Oct 2010 16:59:29 -0300 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mrelmx08.mrec.ar (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B896E14B; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:42:34 -0300 (ART) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mrelmx08.mrec.ar Received: from mrelmx08.mrec.ar ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mrelmx08.mrec.ar [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 48Pa9OqyzLnY; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:42:34 -0300 (ART) Received: from mrelmx06.mrec.ar (mrelmx10.mrec.ar [140.191.48.45]) by mrelmx08.mrec.ar (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3372F6E05A; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:42:34 -0300 (ART) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:59:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Mai To: Jason Message-ID: <153688316.74346.1286395168789.JavaMail.root@mrelmx10.mrec.ar> In-Reply-To: <1055203947.74344.1286395101949.JavaMail.root@mrelmx10.mrec.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [140.191.48.40] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.6_GA_2330.DEBIAN5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Linux)/6.0.6_GA_2330.DEBIAN5_64) Cc: Dan Nelson , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: LDAP Authentication from console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:59:31 -0000 Logins over ssh and sudo work great with ldap, but when I try to log in fro= m console, it prompts me twice for the password. If I put a wrong password it prints out that it cannot bind to the ldap ser= ver, what means that I'm being able to bind to ldap, but cannot login for s= ome reason. What is the specific file in pam.d/ that is used when authenticating throug= h a ttyv? ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Jason" Para: "Dan Nelson" CC: "Kevin Mai" , "freebsd-questions" Enviados: Mi=C3=A9rcoles, 6 de Octubre 2010 14:00:08 Asunto: Re: LDAP Authentication from console On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 11:59:53AM -0500, Dan Nelson thus spake: >In the last episode (Oct 06), Kevin Mai said: >> Hey guys, >> >> I've already configured PAM to authenticate against ldap and it works >> wonderful using ssh/su/sudo/etc, but when I try to log in from >> console it >> prompts: >> >> login: kma >> Password: xxxxxxxx >> LDAP Password: xxxxxxxx (same as the first one) >> Login Incorrect >> login: > >Compare /etc/pam.d/login against one of your other pam services that >works. What I do on my servers is add pam_ldap to pam.d/system, then >blow away most >of the lines in the other files and replace them with > >auth include system >account include system >session include system >password include system > >, so I know everything uses the same configuration. Back when I had used LDAP for authentication I also needed to edit /etc/nsswitch.conf Not sure if this is still the case, or if I was doing it incorrectly, however not having didn't give me the ability to login via ldap. -jgh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 20:00:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B743106567A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FD58FC0C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2so164046vws.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:00:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eHzEt6VQyBrWyulQlcuiP7hS5XqgoYs1mf9RzJL9G5A=; b=x15hWNF3QHZGlf9xAAloh363xqz7uY6xO5JgGcIuOzusoLgV24EHw4RoXXKa/EFZ/C xssG7p3VFZbl5LlS7FtSkjcT+b27FcNap6+LD7tK1eOi2UubTLPpuuW9zBKekG0oWVeM OLWhi052EnQY2oe9pBNyGYwXuGU/OJ5dW+Y5s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hRZbYwhjNZBjIsYyY7kztg2uDWmpHkpcqylJJgtBJJ0vmHVtHh9FgKeAvvV2rBEQvc ijJFEKKLWU3stSbM5Exz4SBpvLrqaFcaqTYazo8czPUb+JjCA73Z+KqBmvyVk4zIA3mN LTqSJ9Kllz9qT5D9fQkhDySGUcMzbAZXgRXZ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.160.130 with SMTP id n2mr912817vcx.45.1286395224019; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.187.194 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:00:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:00:23 +0000 Message-ID: From: Paul B Mahol To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Unable to access CDROM device to play music X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:00:25 -0000 On 9/26/10, Carmel wrote: > On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 02:03:28 +0200 > Polytropon articulated: > >> On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:46:08 -0400, Carmel >> wrote: >> > On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 00:49:16 +0200 >> > Polytropon articulated: >> > >> > > Have you tried mounting using the ATAPI driver? >> > > >> > > # mount -o ro -t cd9660 /dev/acd0 /mnt >> > > >> > > Does this work for data CDs? >> > >> > I get this error message: >> > >> > mount_cd9660: /dev/acd0: Invalid argument >> >> This seems to show that there's no ISO-9660 file system on >> the (data) CD, or the session is not finished, or any other >> problem on file system level. Can you check >> >> % file - < /dev/acd0 >> % cdcontrol info >> >> Here's an example for the output for a data CD: >> >> % file - < /dev/acd0 >> /dev/stdin: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data >> 'FreeBSD_Install ' (bootable) >> >> % cdcontrol info >> Starting track = 1, ending track = 1, TOC size = 18 bytes >> track start duration block length type >> ------------------------------------------------- >> 1 0:02.00 57:57.56 0 260831 data >> 170 57:59.56 - 260831 - - >> >> And for an audio CD: >> >> % file - < /dev/acd0 >> /dev/stdin: ERROR: cannot read `(null)' (Invalid argument) >> >> % cdcontrol info >> Starting track = 1, ending track = 18, TOC size = 154 bytes >> track start duration block length type >> ------------------------------------------------- >> 1 0:02.00 3:31.03 0 15828 audio >> 2 3:33.03 2:52.67 15828 12967 audio >> ... >> 17 52:24.53 7:27.30 235703 33555 audio >> 18 59:52.08 2:48.67 269258 12667 audio >> 170 62:41.00 - 281925 - - >> >> Do you get the same results for the respective CD content types? > > I made some file permission changes, rebooted and made sure that the > changes were static, and then ran a few test. > > The cdcontrol program will not play a CDROM although it claims it is. I > can play an audio CD from within KDE; however, it is like pulling teeth > to accomplish it. Way too much trouble. MPlayer cannot access the audio > CD naively. > > DATA CDs are another story. I cannot mount them. > > Using a data CD: > > # file - < /dev/acd0 > /dev/stdin: ERROR: cannot read `(null)' (Input/output error) > > # file - < /dev/cd0 > /dev/stdin: ERROR: cannot read `(null)' (Invalid argument) > > # cdcontrol info > cdcontrol: getting toc header: Invalid argument > cdcontrol: Invalid argument > > With an audio CD: > > # file - < /dev/acd0 > /dev/stdin: ERROR: cannot read `(null)' (Invalid argument) > > # file - < /dev/cd0 > /dev/stdin: ERROR: cannot read `(null)' (Device not configured) > > # cdcontrol info > Starting track = 1, ending track = 3, TOC size = 34 bytes > track start duration block length type > ------------------------------------------------- > 1 0:02.00 6:32.00 0 29400 audio > 2 6:34.00 3:55.12 29400 17637 audio > 3 10:29.12 3:42.23 47037 16673 audio > 170 14:11.35 - 63710 - - > > Finally, just trying a mount command from the command line: > > $ sudo mount -o ro -t cd9660 /dev/acd0 /mnt > mount_cd9660: /dev/acd0: Invalid argument > > $ sudo mount -o ro -t cd9660 /dev/cd0 /mnt > mount_cd9660: /dev/cd0: Device not configured > > This is getting to be far more trouble and wasting way too much time > than it is worth. I can just put the CDs in one of my Windows machines > and then transfer the data over the network to the FreeBSD units. What > is strange is that this use to work before I upgraded. > > By the way, Polytropon, please do not CC me. I am on the list and I > really do not need two copies of every post. Others may appreciate it; > however, I don't. If you are sure that this is not environment issue on you side, maybe it is because output to cd is broken in new snd_hda requiring manual setup (unforunatelly this is not trivial). Look snd_hda(4) for more info. Also try to post to multimedia. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 20:12:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79D41065673 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7BE8FC14 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2so173644vws.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:12:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Bb4OZwW34gaLaBhHBA1yVWHozbpaS6mb7Kx6xeEXj9I=; b=AQVH2nYtUwByF0jiGXJZpQgFbZbaiaBBhZjs4blFqTW18/+4nNT852LQ7CTim4t7Z+ auWceRciQxpSwG76MSuBFFOumdHQjgAg3ZYOEMm9vPtNdSvJrlWkql8rxEYtLoQfH+OP 9uuPmzNNNiBRpy6bEW6AyvE1znU8GK5t6wRD0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lM7fSXCOImU7x+yTZMsm9z1GzQ4Si7ZBcsIwDc/I9ipUEC7w/qWY1dwdYq4Qx9bhZr /fttwOjH4dTU+qL9p4eRL22xXi2MXBDzkHcNqlCbSVfNQUqECoUuQGsdl+yAMjF4LMAS 52LPpUNlX8064S3eYpcxJ8y30xfPfP6mUkPBE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.200.138 with SMTP id ew10mr873956vcb.134.1286395924729; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.183.65 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:12:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101006181401.GB75552@guilt.hydra> References: <4CAB25B1.6050906@radel.com> <4CAB2731.9090502@exonetric.com> <20101006181401.GB75552@guilt.hydra> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:12:04 +0200 Message-ID: From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:12:06 -0000 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 10:50:42AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Mark Blackman wrote= : >> > There's also the whole train of thought that says FreeBSD isn't really >> > aimed at the desktop/laptop/notebook use model and any benefit in that= arena >> > is entirely coincidental. >> >> That tends to be my perspective. =A0Linux tends to be more useful on >> laptops and desktops, where up-to-the-minute hardware support is >> needed. =A0For servers, where stability is important, I tend to prefer >> BSD, all other things being equal. > > Weird. =A0I guess maybe my excellent experience of using FreeBSD on my > ThinkPad is "wrong", and so is my experience of various Linux > distributions having more maintenance issues than FreeBSD on similar > hardware, and I should stop. No, it=B4s not wrong .. just keep buying ThinkPads .. most devels use them and hence .. they get more attention. > >> >> Besides the mindshare issue that's been mentioned, part of the problem >> here is the balkanized nature of open source licenses, too. =A0Linux >> driver code is useless to FreeBSD developers because the GPL isn't >> compatible with the BSD license. > > I don't think that's the case. =A0Maybe such drivers cannot be integrated > directly with the base system without licensing issues, but it can > certainly be distributed and installed when appropriate. =A0It is, in fac= t, > for this reason of compatibility that FreeBSD has had ZFS support where > Linux-based systems have not. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 20:38:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11B4106564A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:38:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from gsicomp.on.ca (gsicomp.on.ca [200.46.208.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A118FC19 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from maia.hub.org (maia-3.hub.org [200.46.204.243]) by gsicomp.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A6BFCB284; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gsicomp.on.ca ([200.46.208.251]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.243]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 51384-06; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hermes (CPE002129cfd480-CM001ac3584898.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.236.129.198]) by gsicomp.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 2719BFCB21B; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1CFF44A938424168BE9293D9115BA74C@hermes> From: "Matt Emmerton" To: "Randal L. Schwartz" , "FreeBSD Mailing List" References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:38:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Cc: Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted softwarein the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:38:10 -0000 > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/178267 > > And yes, there it is, in > /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c: > > * 4.3. Licensee shall not export, either directly or indirectly, any of > this > * software or system incorporating such software without first obtaining > any > * required license or other approval from the U. S. Department of Commerce > or > * any other agency or department of the United States Government. In the > > > So, is such approval on file with the FreeBSD Foundation? More to the point - we probably need to be doing what our Linux brethren have been doing - holding out for a more compatibly-licenced version of the ACPICA code. >From http://www.acpica.org/overview.php ACPICA is written in ANSI C, and can be generated under many different 32-bit and 64-bit OS development environments. Source code packages are provided for the following environments: Microsoft Windows* and UNIX*. 1) The Windows package includes Visual C++* project files and other ACPI utilities that run under Windows. 2) The UNIX package has a format and licensing suitable for inclusion by commercial OS vendors. There is no Linux* source code package since ACPICA updates for Linux are provided periodically in patch form. The ACPICA subsystem is modified to integrate smoothly with the Linux kernel source. This includes conversion of the ACPICA source code to the Linux kernel coding standard, and licensing under the GNU General Public License. Seems like the FSF needs to work on a BSD-compatible licence for this code too. Regards, -- Matt Emmerton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 20:50:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EA51065679 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:50:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253178FC1E for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so3385563gxk.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.95.4 with SMTP id x4mr10510663anl.130.1286398214685; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b22sm456546anb.35.2010.10.06.13.50.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27B28E54828 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:50:11 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101006165011.704beb4b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAG1BMVEX3/uPVnZf2/v9ejGkqHB74++H///+cHCT3m6cgqYvfAAACbElEQVQ4jWXTQW/bIBQAYJLJuRMn8TVCss9zTdrrXJ6bHe1Ej/bossF9EpJ3nbapf3sP8JxOQ4qV8OU9HvjBROWcYNlKHtxlQ1/huBaOBiMwQtgHhbokMLIT76Acps5hvy61+6WsjkCZzNEW0+fcQ7Nl5uoPCegjjjhN5/MEABd89k9hXkQoX6cwPIDKCt8tYG5wpmdrxAyuolTPqpiVoEpVCWvl6e00RAD4JBJQnO4lvv0O4Cnd3WUGevYNFohxFYAy7jCCtW39LaQK8BgDAgiHVinVJlCiFKlcqgEHfwb1EuG+DwFGMO3oCIuJIEYoa8KJECBB+UBldgm0MQmEGz7GQr8XYRPKzYNO1zZ8mgdAu4BG5Ke/4KFboM8458UScViAAvYD93OAsu+Bc3zxCU7ZAjT74+dQv9K7oO0d1wuscop48Pc50O5bcVwgGzh/mXzaizJuAWERh8k3eaxKmxu4kV1p2XOEg3i3c8M+EKR93P0D1KATpC55vMHaGqFf5f/AwhlrhHgg8DTezopt6I3o3Qx4q4q6YaPxK8RxcClXeFGhTTS++QR6TS/oBs7l4WhzuNMubZG6hIBkF4qqZVdWczIqSrjKVF/i4o26IP2oElBGFy5CXKSnf6UWDTC6zKSqoAvzsakjjBvdzLKnmxdhY8eRsX7VSCUBdgD1hVJpx6y2OOS1DNDILYmqdWUJ+oHvd0rRvAqX5kpxQMR6yxHzPV6VlPFyWE7LKc36keNQI64gLP8Ybgtmg+zYuBl4fuI8VqW2RqDGE8Uzu7GxGa803whDdxx3bSZbRhfQUSxvmnpLZWpRFqHz7v8AvsBe0S1zv9UAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: php5-mysqli problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:50:16 -0000 On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:17:34 +0300 liNEr Crime articulated: > Cann't install /usr/ports/databases/php5-mysqli/ > Error: > /usr/local/include/mysql/m_string.h: In function 'lex_string_set': > /usr/local/include/mysql/m_string.h:304: error: dereferencing pointer > to incomplete type > /usr/local/include/mysql/m_string.h:305: error: dereferencing pointer > to incomplete type > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/databases/php5-mysqli. > *** Error code 1 > > FreeBSD free.web 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 > 02:55:53 UTC 2010 There is a PR files against this; however, I don't believe anything has been done to rectify the problem. ports/151133: Unable to build databases/php5-mysqli -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ Do you think that when they asked George Washington for ID that he just whipped out a quarter? Steven Wright From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 20:53:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED03106566B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:53:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503C78FC1A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so7673214wyb.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:53:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lV/HdHeNm3lnGQGtrujhgAbZfa5dZ3ZsuO+bmONrSAw=; b=mKdcn189pc0pZh80/6tLHmZgCMF6NP9ld32Qg2hziYIK++mzIz/w7rXf+cX2Ksnz1n hJp6VK1k6lJJnjtMyphua2BBM55ZjVVfLkXSECU0NTYfYoNmKlpt2VvHacJyqRF7XgCR ijq4B/F3LFc/QEDX5EZftLjETS5pGys7Nuduk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=m4dDvcwstcrZv0eTyAjFQPwKOYQVA/GWkoboMuhxFQc14M2vzhJxgTDVT3GXqe1IvC lseBHSG/I/jIkF4UTwN+bcMep1YV+VNPCTlZmhfE9L0H/5NqfN2sxcg07tgTgzzEr7/3 jLRuPadSe7jbbXa9wLQTrjs1ijNM8OrKphjgw= Received: by 10.216.159.131 with SMTP id s3mr11119565wek.99.1286398430071; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k46sm925958weq.10.2010.10.06.13.53.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:53:45 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:53:51 -0000 On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:40:54 -0700 merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/178267 >... > So, is such approval on file with the FreeBSD Foundation? " without first obtaining _any_ _required_ license or other approval ..." It doesn't say approval is needed. It says that it's needed if it's required by the appropriate agencies. In other words, it's needed if it's needed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 21:16:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016B51065672 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:16:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:3080::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1718FC12 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 93DC571FC; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:16:37 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: RW References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.13.13; tzolkin = 3 Ben; haab = 6 Yax Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:16:37 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> (RW's message of "Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:53:45 +0100") Message-ID: <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:16:38 -0000 >>>>> "RW" == RW writes: RW> It doesn't say approval is needed. It says that it's needed if it's RW> required by the appropriate agencies. In other words, it's needed if RW> it's needed. But doesn't this then shift the burden to every exporter, knowing or unknowing, willing or unwilling? Seems like an onerous burden. Is it well-documented? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 21:19:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A67106564A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:19:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5F28FC16 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o96LJ5ts015168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:19:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk o96LJ5ts015168 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1286399946; bh=eTfi6FDdzKZPo3q4N85uCATFlkssb7Lt4C1RmnQhJg4=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4CACE7BE.6040709@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2006=20Oct=202010=2022:18:54=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(Macintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac= 20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-GB=3B=20rv:1.9.2.9)=20Gecko/20100915=20Thu nderbird/3.1.4|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20FreeBSD=20Questions=20|Subject:=20Re:=20third-party=20ports/ packages=20sources|References:=20<20101006180601.GA75552@guilt.hyd ra>|In-Reply-To:=20<20101006180601.GA75552@guilt.hydra>|X-Enigmail -Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipa rt/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"applicatio n/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigAB38A3DEB9 15F6E3FD79DB75"; b=Q6sP0Cm+KoO6qiZmqocrptFfUoDyBoHvzOIeI6Vzc9PXuRwzsrVnXsS7jkwHDhu10 j38JahYfyH4uvRifmwV6fCOQIttIgFFLi+1TuBf30Pe1jZs/i22AlIuMx2fbAemkMR swxKGYFmxYqczNeo758x2n7wxzSdqEChEMYXxybs= Message-ID: <4CACE7BE.6040709@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:18:54 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20101006180601.GA75552@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20101006180601.GA75552@guilt.hydra> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigAB38A3DEB915F6E3FD79DB75" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: third-party ports/packages sources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:19:10 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigAB38A3DEB915F6E3FD79DB75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/10/2010 19:06:01, Chad Perrin wrote: > Is there some way to set up a third-party online source for ports and/o= r > packages that allows users to do the same kinds of things they can do > with the official ports system? I mean, for instance, using portversio= n > to check whether there are new versions available (or an equivalent > operation) and possibly even checking for security issues via portaudit= =2E >=20 > I see, looking at the manpage for portversion, this: >=20 > PKG_DBDIR Alternative location for the installed package data= base. > The default is ``/var/db/pkg''. >=20 > PORTSDIR Alternative location for the ports tree and the por= ts > database files. The default is ``/usr/ports''. >=20 > I also see some stuff in pkgtools.conf comments that might pertain to > this sort of thing, but I'm not entirely clear yet on how this might be= > used to access a third-party repository for ports without breaking norm= al > operation. If there's a tutorial out there that would explain how to d= o > something like this, I have not yet found it. You certainly can do this sort of thing. If you want to create a local pkg repository all it is basically is a HTTP or FTP server wrapped around the file structure generated by 'make package' under /usr/ports/packages. Maybe with some extra depth in the path to account for CPU architecture and OS version. You can mirror pkgs from the official sites or you can compile your own -- in which case, check out the Tinderbox application. Then you just need to set some environment variables such as PKG_PATH, PACKAGEROOT or PACKAGESITE so that the various client-side tools will use your personal pkg repo. See the ENVIRONMENT section in pkg_add(1). Now, you could create your own entirely independent ports tree if you felt that way inclined, but why would you want to? Most freely available software is already available from the ports, and you don't want to duplicate the maintenance burden of any of that. Instead, a better approach is to use the hooks provided within the ports system to add your own local patches, add extra ports or even entire extra categories of ports to the standard tree. The key point here is that you can create a Makefile.local at any level in the ports tree and it will be included by the regular ports Makefile at that level. There are several other potential Makefile filenames you could use similarly, which the ports looks for and will include given various criteria: the best way to learn about them is to study the code in /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.ports.mk. If your local ports are any good, then do submit them for inclusion in the main ports collection. Pro bono publico as lawyers quite rarely say.= You have to be a bit careful with updating mechanisms if you customise your ports like this: portsnap for one is quite unfriendly to "foreign" files within the ports tree, but csup works fine. Portaudit is a bit harder -- it's processed out of the vuxml sources automatically, and there isn't a simple mechanism for adding local modifications. You could duplicate the whole portaudit generation process with some local tweaks if you needed to, but on the whole I think just using the centrally generated version would be good enough for the vast majority of people. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigAB38A3DEB915F6E3FD79DB75 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkys58kACgkQ8Mjk52CukIz02ACgh2N8i8UfHPuA8c9W+nMT2SI/ 220An1OkYITiLFi42d8Cs7cWP8gcnsPH =asTi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigAB38A3DEB915F6E3FD79DB75-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 21:34:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9957106564A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:34:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DB78FC1C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.4/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id o96LY8QE001244 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:34:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Ids: 166 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE458A297 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:34:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 37B2240AC; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:35:51 +0000 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101006233551.GA25366@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Miltered: at jchkmail.jussieu.fr with ID 4CACEB50.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4CACEB50.001/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ Subject: Re: LDAP Authentication from console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:34:11 -0000 Kevin Mai wrote: > Logins over ssh and sudo work great with ldap, but when I try to log in > from console, it prompts me twice for the password. > > If I put a wrong password it prints out that it cannot bind to the ldap > server, what means that I'm being able to bind to ldap, but cannot login > for some reason. I went through that recently so i can share what i have done: . First don't forget to configure /usr/local/etc/nss_ldap.conf This was not mentioned in the doc i had found on the web, i had to run truss to discover why authentification was not working. . Second for some strange reason the certificates in cacertir have to be named in specific way. I have found this hint on the web, and it worked for me: ln -s someCA.pem `openssl x509 -in someCA.pem -noout -hash`.0 (of course i have tls_cacertdir /usr/local/etc/openldap/certs in the 3 ldap config files) When ldapsearch finally worked OK, i had to play with the pam files. The file "login" in /etc/pam.d in fact includes "system" which needs to be tuned. Now the following works but i don't pretend it is optimal or secure, i am not a pam expert. But it allows me to enter the console either as a local user or a ldap user and stops unauthenticated users. But something is not polished enough since changing passwds is not managed, apparently (the passwd section below). The order of the stuff is important, choosing between sufficient and required is important, the try_first_pass is important (it gets passwd from the previous ldap query for ldap users), etc. it is a big mess. For sshd i used what i have found in the web documentation, it works but seems quite complicated. niobe% cat system # # $FreeBSD: src/etc/pam.d/system,v 1.1.32.1.4.1 2010/06/14 02:09:06 # kensmith # Exp $ # # System-wide defaults # # auth auth sufficient pam_opie.so no_warn no_fake_prompts auth requisite pam_opieaccess.so no_warn allow_local #auth sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass #auth sufficient pam_ssh.so no_warn try_first_pass auth sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn auth sufficient pam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass nullok # account #account required pam_krb5.so account required pam_login_access.so account sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn account sufficient pam_unix.so # session #session optional pam_ssh.so session required pam_lastlog.so no_fail # password #password sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass password sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn password sufficient pam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 21:43:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A161065672 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:43:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFBD8FC0C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35so17948yxn.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.109.2 with SMTP id r2mr14326477yhg.70.1286401392180; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g1sm583292yha.42.2010.10.06.14.43.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E4B5CE54828 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:43:09 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:43:13 -0000 On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:16:37 -0700 Randal L. Schwartz articulated: > >>>>> "RW" == RW writes: > > RW> It doesn't say approval is needed. It says that it's needed if > RW> it's required by the appropriate agencies. In other words, it's > RW> needed if it's needed. > > But doesn't this then shift the burden to every exporter, knowing or > unknowing, willing or unwilling? > > Seems like an onerous burden. Is it well-documented? Are you familiar with the axiom: Ignorantia juris non excusat or Ignorantia legis neminem excusat Translated: "ignorance of the law does not excuse" or "ignorance of the law excuses no one" In other words, it is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because he or she was unaware of its content. There are exception; however, they are rare. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 21:46:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DC8106566B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:46:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:3080::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B888FC1C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 811E6730C; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:46:34 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: FreeBSD References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.13.13; tzolkin = 3 Ben; haab = 6 Yax Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:46:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> (Jerry's message of "Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:43:09 -0400") Message-ID: <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:46:34 -0000 >>>>> "Jerry" == Jerry writes: >> But doesn't this then shift the burden to every exporter, knowing or >> unknowing, willing or unwilling? >> >> Seems like an onerous burden. Is it well-documented? Jerry> Are you familiar with the axiom: Jerry> Ignorantia juris non excusat or Ignorantia legis neminem excusat Jerry> Translated: Jerry> "ignorance of the law does not excuse" or "ignorance of the law excuses Jerry> no one" In other words, it is a legal principle holding that a person who Jerry> is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law Jerry> merely because he or she was unaware of its content. Jerry> There are exception; however, they are rare. I understand that entirely. Which is why it would be reasonable (and downright ethical) to ensure that every FreeBSD integrator be made well aware of this restriction. It hadn't occurred to *me* for example to think that FreeBSD might be restricted. And I hadn't seen any prominent disclaimers. Why rely on a very very buried notice? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 22:18:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348E9106564A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:18:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D8B078FC14 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30262 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2010 22:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2010 22:18:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=TXxC9+hUptxQGY9g4APJAKuv9HLjrG9c3o8IlkrzZRqHX20OEcFD2qW1orJz24gCmn8mEfcOGEm9coFErP4jDhkyw2H8Pnf6+gMHxHUdimJwx4ZeZKZw04YPVFMAWAhM; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3cJN-0000Nm-1b for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:18:10 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:13:35 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:13:35 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20101006221335.GA76246@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20101006180601.GA75552@guilt.hydra> <4CACE7BE.6040709@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CACE7BE.6040709@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: third-party ports/packages sources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:18:11 -0000 --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 10:18:54PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: [stuff] Thanks! 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I appreciate the information. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkys9I8ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWSpQCfZFuGVhL3lw6lPXV+ojg4dZn/ CbcAoLCtaA8I0VnmCDITjVDOIcQ83rV9 =iMvJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 22:27:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486D7106566B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:27:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE53E8FC14 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so35002gwb.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.37.20 with SMTP id p20mr10658667anj.244.1286404074853; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x33sm557672ana.33.2010.10.06.15.27.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B5094E54828 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:27:52 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101006182752.04c03073@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: confirm 0fa75124cd6e5148b308c9a2d70f2847d79ff29f X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:27:56 -0000 On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:17:09 +0000 freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org articulated: > Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for mailing list > freebsd-questions > > We have received a request for subscription of your email address, > "Good_Old_Boy@nc.rr.com", to the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing > list. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 22:54:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801271065675; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:54:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547218FC19; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o96MskTR038994; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:54:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4CACFE36.8060409@rawbw.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:54:46 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20100930 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vbox@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: VirtualBox: Pressing some key few times fast causes an event storm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:54:47 -0000 I run Ubuntu guest on FreeBSD host. I am in Open Accessories/Terminal app I get this quite often: when I press some button fast few times it gets pressed endless number of times. This can be Enter after some command. Or Up/Down on some large file in vim. Guest behaves like I pressed this button infinite number of times and stops responding. Trying to close the guest window causes window manager to ask if I would like to terminate the virtualbox application altogether. This means that this window isn't responding. Is this a known bug? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 22:59:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49206106566B for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:59:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp03.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp03.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F848FC13 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c83-255-61-120.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.61.120]:63405 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp03.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1P3cxK-0002kf-A0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:59:28 +0200 Received: (qmail 13952 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2010 00:59:23 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 7 Oct 2010 00:59:23 +0200 Received: (qmail 18766 invoked by uid 1001); 7 Oct 2010 00:59:23 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:59:23 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Message-ID: <20101006225923.GA18732@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.61.120 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1P3cxK-0002kf-A0. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp03.sth.basefarm.net 1P3cxK-0002kf-A0 0a0e96ba184e76a8e80dca91508352d5 Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:59:36 -0000 On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 02:16:37PM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "RW" == RW writes: > > RW> It doesn't say approval is needed. It says that it's needed if it's > RW> required by the appropriate agencies. In other words, it's needed if > RW> it's needed. > > But doesn't this then shift the burden to every exporter, knowing or > unknowing, willing or unwilling? > > > Seems like an onerous burden. Is it well-documented? Since it essentially says that if you export it from the USA you will have to follow whatever laws and regulations covers such exports, it doesn't really add any burden since anybody doing such an export would be legally required to do so anyway. AFAICT the paragraph in question does not add any restrictions or burdens, it just points out potentially existing ones. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 23:08:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140201065672 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:08:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:3080::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA988FC13 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B915B754C; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:08:35 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Erik Trulsson References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006225923.GA18732@owl.midgard.homeip.net> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.13.13; tzolkin = 3 Ben; haab = 6 Yax Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:08:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20101006225923.GA18732@owl.midgard.homeip.net> (Erik Trulsson's message of "Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:59:23 +0200") Message-ID: <86vd5ex6ks.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 23:08:36 -0000 >>>>> "Erik" == Erik Trulsson writes: Erik> Since it essentially says that if you export it from the USA you will Erik> have to follow whatever laws and regulations covers such exports, it Erik> doesn't really add any burden since anybody doing such an export would Erik> be legally required to do so anyway. Erik> AFAICT the paragraph in question does not add any restrictions or Erik> burdens, it just points out potentially existing ones. Yes, you always have to obey the law when you export. But this clause seems to imply that the associated software *knowingly* triggers the export laws, probably in a bad way. Do you have a different opinion, and is it a legal opinion? Either this clause needs to be hoisted to the front page of the FreeBSD distro proper ("Some software contained within may be subject to...") or it should be removed from this software entirely. Burying it is irresponsible. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 23:33:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFD4106564A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890698FC15 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so82996fxm.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:33:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=s5XVB9HoE6cRa+RzchTjdOropvbn/OKh56r9fe72ykg=; b=wunxf4LF0ooYj22v2ozRrHJSLp9SVRiGwEtfcsQI4gLuTT1UC+dSs5M/zYo/U9ES5y hNvZu5um+W33jevM1BS6hImoGqUKN61WVvFVXw5/bDnWbBdZH/tNWWRB2ATg7vJUGBZ2 y4EZt92+yMSXunGP6OdNTv0A4gljrUM0Pe18k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=PoKMl1poV9mi3uXO/KOHTzmDodB39TYedryfx6+YY2xa3Y0pjtFP98yaZnPF+dfZJi F9phAOobU41gzNeHF4+IwP4lOJw7LKkoLI8Xi3IEMr0JaPgVnIwCs9xDLq98BIPqeZI3 4zTS1bt1LF7NCXHLinCZxovC0sd2F9m0zmC00= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.121.132 with SMTP id h4mr1412786far.2.1286407980311; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.107.130 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:33:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CACFE36.8060409@rawbw.com> References: <4CACFE36.8060409@rawbw.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:33:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Yuri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: vbox@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VirtualBox: Pressing some key few times fast causes an event storm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 23:33:02 -0000 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Yuri wrote: > I run Ubuntu guest on FreeBSD host. > I am in Open Accessories/Terminal app > > I get this quite often: when I press some button fast few times it gets > pressed endless number of times. This can be Enter after some command. Or > Up/Down on some large file in vim. Guest behaves like I pressed this button > infinite number of times and stops responding. > > Trying to close the guest window causes window manager to ask if I would > like to terminate the virtualbox application altogether. This means that > this window isn't responding. > > Is this a known bug? > Yes, it is not specific to FreeBSD and really not even specific to VirtualBox since VMware guests can also experience the issue. There are resolutions to it, if you bother to look. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 23:41:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC809106566C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from indexer@internode.on.net) Received: from mail.internode.on.net (bld-mail12.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B0A8FC0A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mai.dhcp.chocolate.lan (unverified [203.122.194.109]) by mail.internode.on.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 41779722-1927428 for multiple; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:11:10 +1030 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Indexer In-Reply-To: <20101006233551.GA25366@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:11:04 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20101006233551.GA25366@lpthe.jussieu.fr> To: Michel Talon X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.2.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LDAP Authentication from console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 23:41:13 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 07/10/2010, at 10:05 AM, Michel Talon wrote: >=20 > Kevin Mai wrote: >> Logins over ssh and sudo work great with ldap, but when I try to log = in >> from console, it prompts me twice for the password. >>=20 >> If I put a wrong password it prints out that it cannot bind to the = ldap >> server, what means that I'm being able to bind to ldap, but cannot = login >> for some reason. >=20 >=20 Can you send a copy of your /etc/pam.d/sshd and /etc/pam.d/system ? What = i think you have done is this auth sufficient pam_opie.so no_warn = no_fake_prompts auth requisite pam_opieaccess.so no_warn = allow_local auth sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn = try_first_pass=20 auth sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn = try_first_pass auth required pam_unix.so no_warn = use_first_pass Notice the try_first_pass options on krb5 and ldap? This will prompt for = the krb5 password then prompt again for the ldap password, and then fall = back to unix. It looks like this when you enter the wrong password Password: LDAP Password: Password LDAP Password: =20 etc .... In your case, you likely have something else, and not krb5, but editing = your file to appear like this will be of great help auth sufficient pam_opie.so no_warn = no_fake_prompts auth requisite pam_opieaccess.so no_warn = allow_local auth sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn = try_first_pass auth required pam_unix.so no_warn = use_first_pass You need to set ldap to try_first_pass, and unix to use_first_pass. This = will stop the "double prompting" Also of note, is that /etc/pam.d/login is an include of system. Thus = likely you have your system file setup wrong. Mine is a carbon copy of = my sshd file. Here it is here auth sufficient pam_opie.so no_warn = no_fake_prompts auth requisite pam_opieaccess.so no_warn = allow_local auth sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn = try_first_pass auth required pam_unix.so no_warn = use_first_pass #auth required pam_deny.so use_first_pass account required pam_nologin.so #account required pam_krb5.so account required pam_login_access.so account optional pam_unix.so account required /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so = ignore_authinfo_unavail ignore_unknown_user # session #session optional pam_ssh.so session required pam_permit.so #account optional pam_krb5.so #session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=3D/etc/skel/ = umask=3D0022 password sufficient pam_unix.so no_warn = use_first_pass A few other hints Make sure your certificates have the correct CN, that matches your hosts = FQDN. You can specifiy them with the option tls_cacertfile and these DO = NOT need converting into any weird formats, just the standard output = from openssl will work.=20 @Michael If you plan to use LDAP groups to control access to be able to login to = a server, you need to change your ldap account line, as at this time it = will allow anyone through into the system. Regardless, what i have also = means that ldap is not checked for non ldap users.=20 Changing ldap passwords IS NOT POSSIBLE from the passwd binary. I cannot = remember why but it is not. You must use the ldappasswd utility.=20 Alot of basic help can be found here = http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/ldap-auth/ldap.html Sincerely, William Brown pgp.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJMrQkTAAoJEHF16AnLoz6JjmAP/2AnyWUT1EwoyAm8gAH6Qjoq WC0dSHnfuYzJiw8UM3Uhzdj4LXPNLFh/bqHsgFpDxO1OwyG8OnTv40NdR9506O7e BP0SmnADt9a8beLHM54jOfJsYHz0kH1bpHk4HkcA5zQEsl76H7IsF6m6tiFxTSII WLrXwHTN+Z6zpo80N7Ng9GGVCxrs68gU/JQFX58lIIkSlXe2kJ7W8DAcs2q2O13x 5VPl9x2bEYugRwggDLAWwD22ETL6BAjk+qr2+yG8yLKgsg/NTyPoBkdVhHCgOBw2 vt8IGxVeeau3MLvrm/c2+dK7i2Aw9FlB94EBZo5G2QM5AfzmTqtiLAeQ8sM2tQkD suqPijBB6aLmrnpbqjQxPgKQANv1szELBASC4qcCKHQFNeGtfueikRpgnVaGLrnq LMOEKpnnuJQ7OrW3TmY6vZFrnKm1QD1cniuJV2Hhb3FZ8JTTq/L2Ae9NHaPKlR3F 7pXcTTTo4hXUe9h9McSv7fUPbTFC9KU/ntc9XQDS+5TLyyMsN1tuaY506v3kTGWh wdczKBhrSLcwjvh3DUjrutaYg+oYQWOpNvzSOUAQgmLURZcb7zr0q6lstlzHzsZp 4z5jDn6sGUNHCZzzf/eRZjtR3bikQsBrfKgmuHGBVNjwpIzwAus1m1B4XeQ3lhTX xErK6nRRH75mS3igwcMa =3DqIai -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 00:20:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334DA106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:20:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EBF8FC1F for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 917FBE82E51; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:11:19 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: bdsfbsd@att.net Message-ID: <20101007001119.GA9225@thought.org> References: <20101004233302.GA62267@takino.homeftp.org> <20101004195012.GA2023@tiny> <20101006195435.GC25141@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooks & BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:20:30 -0000 On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:45:35PM -0400, bdsfbsd@att.net wrote: > On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:54:35 -0400, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > This brings a question to mind; maybe you know; maybe somebody > > else on the list does. Say that I buy an EEE 10" Atom, max out > > the memory and go for a 160G hard drive. Will I be able to > > upgrade to a SSD in a few years? > > > > gary > > It depends on the model and your hardware hackatude. This has > nothing to do with FreeBSD, so I suggest you check the Asus Eee > forums. > > Brian The only reason for my post is that I plan to drop on FreeBSD. ...iF it takes hardware work--well, anything beyond plugging into SSD cubes--then I'll wait. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.90a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 00:24:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B84106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:24:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A428FC18 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so79228gxk.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:24:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=88P+tzXPFpZpiJ1lJnvSnNWR1HHm1zRISylJMMXhS9A=; b=pfKcy69zovQpTRaXisZjAOtNdWIdeYxo+UrjqFMtncUYzrblLV1LyzKB1zZD2vhUQE AWDJggWkFFUg2JkIBItymBpKG0GJ4lrpYkz/qADhkBx/oJVW7WJv9isJAYONiKlXRfYq u86QQZYW61RQyE2Lv+ar7weZ37ZlkELtCqoGg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LhkxU4HxcxUubqtsdzNuvzpNg4IjaTLV5LOUiNbX3uxNyG+a1UhYRrK8s6teGba9Vk J1EhKGxjggpImTtM2kWTyP+qvRB65T2i1Hp2yv1d2aGMNgwboR+sLY8fGEpdDpiCRiHs iIfvrFdSGvnOlDsyJv72RqImroQ8Q2vglTvw8= Received: by 10.100.103.15 with SMTP id a15mr56358anc.235.1286411059758; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host211.190-230-73.telecom.net.ar [190.230.73.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g29sm693305anh.16.2010.10.06.17.24.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CAD132E.1030507@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:24:14 -0300 From: Gonzalo Nemmi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; es-AR; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006225923.GA18732@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <86vd5ex6ks.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> In-Reply-To: <86vd5ex6ks.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:24:21 -0000 El 06/10/2010 08:08 p.m., Randal L. Schwartz escribió: >>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Trulsson writes: > > Erik> Since it essentially says that if you export it from the USA you will > Erik> have to follow whatever laws and regulations covers such exports, it > Erik> doesn't really add any burden since anybody doing such an export would > Erik> be legally required to do so anyway. > > Erik> AFAICT the paragraph in question does not add any restrictions or > Erik> burdens, it just points out potentially existing ones. > > Yes, you always have to obey the law when you export. But this clause > seems to imply that the associated software *knowingly* triggers the > export laws, probably in a bad way. > > Do you have a different opinion, and is it a legal opinion? > > Either this clause needs to be hoisted to the front page of the FreeBSD > distro proper ("Some software contained within may be subject to...") > or it should be removed from this software entirely. > > Burying it is irresponsible. > +1 BTW: IAAL Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 02:18:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF55106566B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 02:18:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65FF8FC0C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 02:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35so117141yxn.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:18:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.53.7 with SMTP id b7mr230578yba.103.1286417900986; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.188.3 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:18:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.175] In-Reply-To: <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:18:20 -0700 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 02:18:22 -0000 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 14:46, Randal L. Schwartz wr= ote: > I understand that entirely. =A0Which is why it would be reasonable (and > downright ethical) to ensure that every FreeBSD integrator be made well > aware of this restriction. > > It hadn't occurred to *me* for example to think that FreeBSD might be > restricted. =A0And I hadn't seen any prominent disclaimers. =A0Why rely o= n a > very very buried notice? If your business model involves importing/exporting large collections of material which you did not create, and further more do not outright own, but are licensed to use under certain conditions, then you need to have both a lawyer and an accountant review your setup for any potential issues. There are entire college degrees in international business and it is folly to think that all the ins and outs of a particular scenario will be readily apparent. A competent review would turn up this license clause and would give you advice on what to do about it. I don't think complaining that you weren't aware of the license terms before exporting is valid. Furthermore, this isn't really a license issue, but more of a issue of federal law. If you are in the US, these laws regarding what may be exported to where always apply, regardless of what the license says. Making the license more visible may be a good idea, but doesn't materially change the situation any. --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 02:26:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D581065672 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 02:26:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:3080::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30C28FC13 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 02:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CC2E2799A; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Rob Farmer References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.13.13; tzolkin = 3 Ben; haab = 6 Yax Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:26:07 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Rob Farmer's message of "Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:18:20 -0700") Message-ID: <868w2awxfk.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 02:26:08 -0000 >>>>> "Rob" == Rob Farmer writes: Rob> Making the license more visible may be a good idea, but doesn't Rob> materially change the situation any. I agree, it doesn't change it materially. But for the casual integrator, making it very visible would help. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 03:00:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B737106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F54E8FC1A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3giU-0007bH-Mw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 05:00:22 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 05:00:22 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 05:00:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 23:04:48 -0400 Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:00:25 -0000 Rob Farmer wrote: > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 14:46, Randal L. Schwartz > wrote: >> I understand that entirely. Which is why it would be reasonable (and >> downright ethical) to ensure that every FreeBSD integrator be made well >> aware of this restriction. >> >> It hadn't occurred to *me* for example to think that FreeBSD might be >> restricted. And I hadn't seen any prominent disclaimers. Why rely on a >> very very buried notice? > > If your business model involves importing/exporting large collections > of material which you did not create, and further more do not outright > own, but are licensed to use under certain conditions, then you need > to have both a lawyer and an accountant review your setup for any > potential issues. There are entire college degrees in international > business and it is folly to think that all the ins and outs of a > particular scenario will be readily apparent. > > A competent review would turn up this license clause and would give > you advice on what to do about it. I don't think complaining that you > weren't aware of the license terms before exporting is valid. > Furthermore, this isn't really a license issue, but more of a issue of > federal law. If you are in the US, these laws regarding what may be > exported to where always apply, regardless of what the license says. > > Making the license more visible may be a good idea, but doesn't > materially change the situation any. > Please forgive my somewhat ignorant idea(s) on this subject, as I am definitely not a lawyer. I was under the impression that the most onerous of these export rules and restrictions applied to crypto technology. If this is so, what I don't quite grasp is what do crypto export restrictions have to do with acpi? Is acpi a copyrighted, patented, or trademark otherwise owned by some entity? Quite possibly so as it is in contrib. I just have no idea who might "own" it. Or how it would fall afoul of crypto export restrictions. Looking forward to enlightenment. :-) -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 03:11:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195FD1065670 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:11:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AE48FC15 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3gtB-0005aZ-Ip for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 05:11:25 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 05:11:25 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 05:11:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 23:15:52 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:11:27 -0000 Michael Powell wrote: [snip] export restrictions have to do with acpi? Is > acpi a copyrighted, patented, or trademark otherwise owned by some entity? > Quite possibly so as it is in contrib. I just have no idea who might "own" > it. Or how it would fall afoul of crypto export restrictions. > > Looking forward to enlightenment. :-) > Oh - I see now, it is "owned" by Intel. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 03:11:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA99106566B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:11:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:3080::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023C88FC0A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D0E407AB6; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Michael Powell References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.13.13; tzolkin = 3 Ben; haab = 6 Yax Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:11:43 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Michael Powell's message of "Wed, 06 Oct 2010 23:04:48 -0400") Message-ID: <864ocywvbk.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:11:44 -0000 >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Powell writes: Michael> I was under the impression that the most onerous of these Michael> export rules and restrictions applied to crypto technology. If Michael> this is so, what I don't quite grasp is what do crypto export Michael> restrictions have to do with acpi? Is acpi a copyrighted, Michael> patented, or trademark otherwise owned by some entity? Quite Michael> possibly so as it is in contrib. I just have no idea who might Michael> "own" it. Or how it would fall afoul of crypto export Michael> restrictions. Exactly my point. Either it's crypto, and the whole distro is tainted and should be marked as such UP FRONT, or it's not, and the paragraph should be removed, if possible. Or a third alternative... use the ACPI implementation from OpenBSD, which doesn't have such a restriction. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 03:13:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from [127.0.0.1] (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803D3106566B; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:13:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkim@FreeBSD.org) From: Jung-uk Kim To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:13:43 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> In-Reply-To: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201010062313.47317.jkim@FreeBSD.org> Cc: "Randal L. Schwartz" Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:13:55 -0000 On Wednesday 06 October 2010 03:40 pm, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/178267 > > And yes, there it is, in > /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c: > > * 4.3. Licensee shall not export, either directly or indirectly, > any of this * software or system incorporating such software > without first obtaining any * required license or other approval > from the U. S. Department of Commerce or * any other agency or > department of the United States Government. In the * event > Licensee exports any such software from the United States or * > re-exports any such software from a foreign destination, Licensee > shall * ensure that the distribution and export/re-export of the > software is in * compliance with all laws, regulations, orders, or > other restrictions of the * U.S. Export Administration Regulations. > Licensee agrees that neither it nor * any of its subsidiaries will > export/re-export any technical data, process, * software, or > service, directly or indirectly, to any country for which the * > United States government or any agency thereof requires an export > license, * other governmental approval, or letter of assurance, > without first obtaining * such license, approval or letter. > > So, is such approval on file with the FreeBSD Foundation? Please stop the FUD. ACPICA is actually triple-licensed, i.e., generic Intel software license, (three-clause) BSD-like license, and GPLv2. For example, please see the same file on Linux: http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/drivers/acpi/acpica/hwsleep.c?v=linux-2.6 When a new ACPICA release is merged to Linux tree, it is pre-processed with acpisrc (which is also included in ACPICA release tarball) and all C source files are converted to Linux style. Actually this tool replaces the generic Intel license with the actual BSD/GPLv2 dual license header at the same time: http://git.moblin.org/cgit.cgi/acpica/tree/source/tools/acpisrc The following file contains source conversion table for Linux: http://git.moblin.org/cgit.cgi/acpica/tree/source/tools/acpisrc/astable.c#n158 Historically FreeBSD never touched the license header. However, I am going to do it next time to avoid confusions. Jung-uk Kim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 03:16:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C499106566C; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:16:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:3080::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7770E8FC21; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5FD437AD4; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:16:47 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Jung-uk Kim References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <201010062313.47317.jkim@FreeBSD.org> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.13.13; tzolkin = 3 Ben; haab = 6 Yax Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:16:47 -0700 In-Reply-To: <201010062313.47317.jkim@FreeBSD.org> (Jung-uk Kim's message of "Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:13:43 -0400") Message-ID: <86zkuqvgio.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:16:47 -0000 >>>>> "Jung-uk" == Jung-uk Kim writes: Jung-uk> Please stop the FUD. ACPICA is actually triple-licensed, i.e., Jung-uk> generic Intel software license, (three-clause) BSD-like license, and Jung-uk> GPLv2. [...] Jung-uk> Historically FreeBSD never touched the license header. However, I am Jung-uk> going to do it next time to avoid confusions. Then. Please. Do. I would have never brought this up (nor would the OpenBSD list before me) if the right license was here. Geez. What a wasted amount of effort. If anything to be learned from here, it's use the right boilerplate when you include something into the distro. Otherwise, smart people will react to license notices because yes indeed, THESE MATTER. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 03:25:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA68106566B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:25:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCEB8FC0A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4so135718gyg.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:25:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.138.6 with SMTP id q6mr235593ann.222.1286421949198; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.188.3 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:25:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.175] In-Reply-To: References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:25:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Michael Powell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:25:50 -0000 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 20:04, Michael Powell wrote= : > I was under the impression that the most onerous of these export rules an= d > restrictions applied to crypto technology. If this is so, what I don't qu= ite > grasp is what do crypto export restrictions have to do with acpi? Is acpi= a > copyrighted, patented, or trademark otherwise owned by some entity? Quite > possibly so as it is in contrib. I just have no idea who might "own" it. = Or > how it would fall afoul of crypto export restrictions. > > Looking forward to enlightenment. =A0:-) I'm not a lawyer either, so take all this with a grain of salt. Basically, there are two reasons the US will block an export, which you can read about at: http://www.bis.doc.gov/licensing/exportingbasics.htm 1) The export is considered "dangerous" for one reason or another, and needs to be licensed so the government can keep track of who is getting it and why they want it. Examples include military equipment, nuclear equipment, controlled substances, firearms, etc. Crypto is defined as a "munition" and is restricted for this reason. There are a lot of opinions about whether this is "right", but it has held up in court. 2) The destination is "designated as supporting terrorist activities" or is embargoed for political reasons (socialist/totalitarian government - Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria). Most of the people in these countries don't have access to a computer and the rights to install whatever they want on it, so this is targeted at government officials. As such, you are correct that for the vast majority of cases, the ACPI code shouldn't have problems or need a license. The biggest legal risk I can see is if ftp.freebsd.org and such allow people in the embargoed countries to download code - I've seen a brief reference saying Sourceforge was forced to IP ban these. --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 03:38:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580211065673 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0F18FC13 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4so139100gyg.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:38:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bNK62YgmZE+PO/PFXj/+Z/6Q8Rhu5ksSuJKAqjdjasU=; b=CttKTuZBHTlcLOc8oOjJg2y2+tY/Pk5/q4acpCjUl/lpT4cq5VBO0QY7CsbJb6SglM 8vnSs/ZUJQAvTK5Mmh3MhsgQci1ku9xkOFI6A1uijBLx1+kwuper4QcfDzSFJW2Bizdh X2kFAkEriNyqahzXLSDaqptHocUCq8/PupWdc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sA3BG+ik65NprgcmWrYNB71aCIOqACwSCcIKgPwTVTmQT50vCYP2Qu2l6OxKfkJg0j sxrKzJsRXjLoUNzSKnNkhvxkomu4aUoUv62jMoeo66Toyo7ZcAmsgj6wdKRchNQc6WEW LP06NxkMPkhd/HOeUPVjgRqnr6ddMrnbAqRY8= Received: by 10.100.232.18 with SMTP id e18mr281954anh.72.1286422730050; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host211.190-230-73.telecom.net.ar [190.230.73.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i25sm924909anh.37.2010.10.06.20.38.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CAD40C7.5080908@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:38:47 -0300 From: Gonzalo Nemmi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; es-AR; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:38:55 -0000 El 06/10/2010 11:18 p.m., Rob Farmer escribió: > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 14:46, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >> I understand that entirely. Which is why it would be reasonable (and >> downright ethical) to ensure that every FreeBSD integrator be made well >> aware of this restriction. >> >> It hadn't occurred to *me* for example to think that FreeBSD might be >> restricted. And I hadn't seen any prominent disclaimers. Why rely on a >> very very buried notice? > > If your business model involves importing/exporting large collections > of material which you did not create, and further more do not outright > own, but are licensed to use under certain conditions, then you need > to have both a lawyer and an accountant review your setup for any > potential issues. There are entire college degrees in international As a lawyer, no matter how much I review your set up, it´s a _fact_ that a license place in a place like /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c, that is to say, lost amongs a gazillion files: _will_ scape any review. Furthermore, you can count on legal advise about the thing you tell you lawyer to review, but if you ignore _what_ you want to get reviewed: you can´t count on anyone knowing it for you. > business and it is folly to think that all the ins and outs of a > particular scenario will be readily apparent. > > A competent review would turn up this license clause and would give > you advice on what to do about it. I don't think complaining that you > weren't aware of the license terms before exporting is valid. No ... and you are dead wrong about that .. a competent review will only answer the questions asked ... if you ignore the existence of such license and it´s terms, then there´s no way you would ask for advice about it, and _that_ I think is the point Randal is trying to make. > Furthermore, this isn't really a license issue, but more of a issue of > federal law. If you are in the US, these laws regarding what may be > exported to where always apply, regardless of what the license says. > > Making the license more visible may be a good idea, but doesn't > materially change the situation any. It does by making it visible and thus telling potential exporters/re-exporters "watch out for this one. Ask your lawyer about it´s terms and conditions". Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 03:53:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B637B106566B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:53:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688DC8FC1B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 03:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so144526gwb.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:53:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TGRSMi2IQ+kzKM9zl9HS8MjlZqFaAU8nx3BnI29mii0=; b=tIB2WqnwUC8DbVqYlLC9EbvqoIepp22A/tMYo7puilvRnMEp153WcUpIDC/N4imR8q rfQPhr6te5yit814h1CUg1mhDp8Iw3/IgADdwW8Cy2RB4sdyvZXz5RubwfLI2eHOTDeG uN8kArtW5OT5OAfvRC0Y8OT5XJpDmNxA7ptbc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NGg9rtWCP3r9X/csL66nQuXiR4g9wTlYYGQHtYIjTEKiZOQi+MxWrWmor60koQOqhM cwYz6A41agQRM23l7yFAfWsJfAr2Qzpx95bKKW33USFUrfLY/Qh7N+jMCy/YFXHe8+HF nfZcQm/asCjRWk9XV7NpBQB1k4X0+T6yFgebY= Received: by 10.100.119.20 with SMTP id r20mr317549anc.15.1286423598448; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host211.190-230-73.telecom.net.ar [190.230.73.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g6sm948260anh.11.2010.10.06.20.53.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CAD4427.6090803@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:53:11 -0300 From: Gonzalo Nemmi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; es-AR; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <864ocywvbk.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> In-Reply-To: <864ocywvbk.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:53:19 -0000 El 07/10/2010 12:11 a.m., Randal L. Schwartz escribió: >>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Powell writes: > > Michael> I was under the impression that the most onerous of these > Michael> export rules and restrictions applied to crypto technology. If > Michael> this is so, what I don't quite grasp is what do crypto export > Michael> restrictions have to do with acpi? Is acpi a copyrighted, > Michael> patented, or trademark otherwise owned by some entity? Quite > Michael> possibly so as it is in contrib. I just have no idea who might > Michael> "own" it. Or how it would fall afoul of crypto export > Michael> restrictions. > > Exactly my point. Either it's crypto, and the whole distro is tainted > and should be marked as such UP FRONT, or it's not, and the paragraph > should be removed, if possible. > > Or a third alternative... use the ACPI implementation from OpenBSD, > which doesn't have such a restriction. > You just read my mind ... I was about to point out the same thing .. which I think was what inspired Theo to title his mail "FreeBSD isn't Free" ... I took it as he was making fun about the fact that they have their own acpi implementation whereas, by following acpica, FreeBSD turned out being subject to intel´s acpica copyright notice and terms. Boiling it down, Theo´s mail was nothing but a "MDIBTY ... and furthermore: we are not tiered by legal restrictions" ... and just as you said: "Like it or not, Theo has a point..." although from where I´m standing, he has two ... Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 05:18:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4DE106566B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 05:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0B08FC12 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 05:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2so228733vws.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:18:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.164.13 with SMTP id c13mr109253vcy.110.1286428727238; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.188.3 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:18:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.175] In-Reply-To: <4CAD40C7.5080908@gmail.com> References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4CAD40C7.5080908@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:18:47 -0700 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Gonzalo Nemmi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 05:18:49 -0000 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 20:38, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > > As a lawyer, no matter how much I review your set up, it=B4s a _fact_ tha= t a > license place in a place like > /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c, that is to say, lost > amongs a gazillion files: _will_ scape any review. > > Furthermore, you can count on legal advise about the thing you tell you > lawyer to review, but if you ignore _what_ you want to get reviewed: you > can=B4t count on anyone knowing it for you. I would assume that such a review would involve extracting all the licenses in the source tree, eliminating the duplicates, and having those reviewed. I'm saying I don't find the "oh I missed that one" argument convincing, because if there is the possibility of missing a license, then you aren't looking closely enough in the first place. This license is not just in src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c - it is in all the files within the acpica contrib directory, plus the upstream vendor states that it applies to the entire tarball on their website. You should reasonably expect that each piece of software (ie directory) within contrib may be under a different license and needs to be reviewed. >> Making the license more visible may be a good idea, but doesn't >> materially change the situation any. > > It does by making it visible and thus telling potential > exporters/re-exporters "watch out for this one. Ask your lawyer about it= =B4s > terms and conditions". What I meant by "doesn't materially change the situation any" is that everything exported from the US should be considered under export restrictions unless proven otherwise. Jung-uk Kim says: Historically FreeBSD never touched the license header. However, I am going to do it next time to avoid confusions. ( http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-October/222451.= html ) I don't think this makes a bit of difference (it fact it would be somewhat misleading) since the export restrictions are a valid law and dropping clauses from the license doesn't change that - are you saying I'm wrong here? --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 05:23:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47CF106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 05:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp03.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp03.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5248FC14 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 05:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c83-255-61-120.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.61.120]:51713 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp03.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1P3iwY-0008Hb-Bh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:23:04 +0200 Received: (qmail 16160 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2010 07:23:02 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 7 Oct 2010 07:23:02 +0200 Received: (qmail 21459 invoked by uid 1001); 7 Oct 2010 07:23:02 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:23:02 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Message-ID: <20101007052302.GA21385@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006225923.GA18732@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <86vd5ex6ks.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86vd5ex6ks.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.61.120 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1P3iwY-0008Hb-Bh. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp03.sth.basefarm.net 1P3iwY-0008Hb-Bh 719cc93cb7c2e04c7ca2a066a3ca8ab9 Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 05:23:20 -0000 On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:08:35PM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Erik" == Erik Trulsson writes: > > Erik> Since it essentially says that if you export it from the USA you will > Erik> have to follow whatever laws and regulations covers such exports, it > Erik> doesn't really add any burden since anybody doing such an export would > Erik> be legally required to do so anyway. > > Erik> AFAICT the paragraph in question does not add any restrictions or > Erik> burdens, it just points out potentially existing ones. > > Yes, you always have to obey the law when you export. But this clause > seems to imply that the associated software *knowingly* triggers the > export laws, probably in a bad way. > > Do you have a different opinion, and is it a legal opinion? To me it looks much more like a case of some corporate standard cover-your-ass boilerplate text that is used regardless of whether there is reason to believe any particular piece of software needs any special export approval. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 05:48:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B8B106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 05:48:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob1940@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E288FC22 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 05:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so25830iwn.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:48:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EmlhviSX3dtIo42/mOdrN6cKTLEZaOOs7bZeOBjuPss=; b=wyUxVM9nitgsolWxYgA43YSNJ5buzGLbO8Py2Uj2Zvf9QJNl+LEVnG3uvNmx7VxQds eqURy1KrE+0zUv1qsjuaypm1B1cf8YEis9wUZbIUKjAn7fk0HP53/dd7IfUn3KsZQnnp OlqEv/poQNNMEBtbUTlyik+uo6QHSkfO4rOm8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PFNCaxwVjGDhyv16kKoWaY6mQTClTfYuJql8nNFNciDrIMTCc4GDOihkSwz69/nLFn sT/HNLbQqZu1wcLBn7TLgI5o32epTZBxz/r+CxCJ9IgoOVXROB1R/RDC0Rk2D3AHTev2 yxiT7dDrxCOGp1L46rCZ/l0GZETnQKvotL18s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.96.2 with SMTP id h2mr163992icn.189.1286428684901; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.167.9 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:18:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8424F635E837A047A9FEF132ADAF1E0726B111344E@DNZSERVEX1.dnzservices.co.nz> References: <8424F635E837A047A9FEF132ADAF1E0726B111344E@DNZSERVEX1.dnzservices.co.nz> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:18:04 +1100 Message-ID: From: Rob Hurle To: debian-user@lists.debian.org, support@lists.pcbsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Fwd: Canon Support Centre - Ref # 00066023 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rob1940@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 05:48:10 -0000 I have a Canon LBP7200Cdn printer (d =3D duplex, n =3D network). Canon advertise on their web site that this printer works on Debian and Red Hat Linux, and they provide drivers for CUPS and some source code. However, I have not been to make this printer work on either Debian or PC-BSD, and I have not heard of anyone else being able to get it to work as a network printer on any Linux/Unix system. It works OK through Windows (maybe it can be set up as a Samba share, but I doubt it). The source software does not compile on PC-BSD. I have not tried a USB connection. The problem seems to be related to the Canon CAPT printer language and the need to translate from postscript (Canon `pstocapt3` program failed with a segmentation fault in one experiment). Canon support have now confirmed that the printer will not work with Linux, in spite of them providing some drivers purporting to work with Linux (Debian and Red Hat) (see below). This same software seems to be provided for all of the Canon LBPxxxx series printers. Cheers to all, Rob Hurle ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Techsupport Date: 7 October 2010 14:19 Subject: Canon Support Centre - Ref # 00066023 To: "rob1940@gmail.com" =C2=A0Ref # 00066023 Dear Rob, Thank you for your enquiry. I sincerely regret to advise that the Linux ( Debian ) is not supported by this printer. =C2=A0However, please find link below the only Linux Printer Driver compatible with Canon LBP 7200 http://support-au.canon.com.au/P/search?model=3DLASER+SHOT+LBP7200Cdn&menu= =3Ddownload&filter=3D0&tagname=3Dg_os Once again, I sincerely apologise for any inconvenient. If you have further enquiries in relation this or any other matter, please do not hesitate in contacting us on 13 13 83 and quote reference 00066023 Regards Stanley Consumer Technical Support Canon Australia Pty Ltd For on-line technical support visit www.canon.com.au, click on 'Support' and then select 'FAQs'. To speak to Canon Technical Support, please call 131383 (Australia), or 09 4890470 (New Zealand). ___________________________________________________________________________= ____________________ The information in this e-mail is confidential and privileged material and is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail please return it to the sender at Canon Australia and destroy any copies made. ___________________________________________________________________________= ____________________ ________________________________ From: MyCanon [cfb@uber.biz] Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2010 3:55 PM To: canonmail@uber.biz;cctechsupport@canon.com.au Cc: Techsupport Subject: New form submission for form: Support Request A new submission has been made to the form you created Title : Mr First Name : Rob Last Name : Hurle Email : rob1940@gmail.com Company Name : Mobile : 0417 293 603 Phone : 0262472397 Address : PO Box 4013 Suburb : Ainslie State : ACT Post Code : 2602 Preferred Method of Contact : Email Details : The LBP7200Cdn does not appear to work through Linux (Debian) when using a network connection. Do you have any solutions for this? --=20 ----------------------------- Rob Hurle ANU, College of Asia and the Pacific School of Culture, History and Language Histories of Asia and the Pacific e-mail:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 rob1940@gmail.com Telephone (ANU): +61 2 6125 3169 Mobile (in VN):=C2=A0 +84 948 243 538 Mobile (in OZ):=C2=A0 +61 417 293 603 ----------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 06:14:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38527106566B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 06:14:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from indexer@internode.on.net) Received: from mail.internode.on.net (bld-mail14.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968478FC0A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 06:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from staff-249-11.wireless.adelaide.edu.au (unverified [129.127.249.11]) by mail.internode.on.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 42142517-1927428 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:44:11 +1030 (CDT) From: Indexer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:44:06 +1030 Message-Id: <2EF6AF20-77FC-4B41-9BFB-382EBEE21E93@internode.on.net> To: FBSD? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.2.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: Sasl passthrough authentication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:14:14 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am attempting to setup SASL passthrough authentication on a server.=20 I have install and configured saslauthd, and plan to use this with = kerberos5 When i attempt to use the command testsaslauthd -u william@REALM -p supersecretpassword I get the following in /var/log/messages. Oct 7 16:37:13 blackrabbit saslauthd[1557]: auth_krb5: = k5support_verify_tgt [root@blackrabbit ~]# saslauthd -a kerberos5 -d -V saslauthd[1555] :main : num_procs : 5 saslauthd[1555] :main : mech_option: NULL saslauthd[1555] :main : run_path : /var/run/saslauthd saslauthd[1555] :main : auth_mech : kerberos5 saslauthd[1555] :ipc_init : using accept lock file: = /var/run/saslauthd/mux.accept saslauthd[1555] :detach_tty : master pid is: 0 saslauthd[1555] :ipc_init : listening on socket: = /var/run/saslauthd/mux saslauthd[1555] :main : using process model saslauthd[1555] :have_baby : forked child: 1556 saslauthd[1556] :get_accept_lock : acquired accept lock saslauthd[1555] :have_baby : forked child: 1557 saslauthd[1555] :have_baby : forked child: 1558 saslauthd[1555] :have_baby : forked child: 1559 saslauthd[1557] :rel_accept_lock : released accept lock saslauthd[1558] :get_accept_lock : acquired accept lock saslauthd[1557] :do_auth : auth failure: [user=3Dwilliam@REALM] = [service=3Dimap] [realm=3D] [mech=3Dkerberos5] [reason=3Dsaslauthd = internal error] I have looked for help on this, and sadly can only find that i should = have a host/fqdn@REALM principal in my /etc/krb5.keytab . I have already = done this however. /etc/hosts also corresponds with this correctly and = my servers fqdn is listed inside. (host/blackrabbit.realm@REALM) My krb5kdc log shows=20 Oct 07 16:39:07 blackrabbit.realm krb5kdc[868](info): AS_REQ (4 etypes = {18 17 16 23}) 127.0.0.1: ISSUE: authtime 1286431747, etypes {rep=3D16 = tkt=3D16 ses=3D16}, william@REALM for krbtgt/REALM@REALM I know that i am missing something obvious, but any help or suggestions = would be appreciated=20 Sincerely William Brown pgp.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJMrWUxAAoJEHF16AnLoz6JvrUP/3QTMDtubHs+3OFrujKssQ2W 83LIYlV1lzv3lLkT5BlgudiFqUmVFI2JVZ0/iq8xNUJ8pITFcay+YO7XVkBBq6KI RDUKdL02b9Z6eV8SXtF20ppT/Z3vvAXxLcwb8/KLAdf6lknf+FhQG07PaOOtf5Um crgJbVz4mXGR4/+nYXwfWu4WXzBEyEEIbgN6x0RGqg0deWiRfdaG0/VocYM6TSXg nEDXxWu8eLaKf3tfIiPjuvPaEFTCTreiVRiS7wG7H+UuBo4Wc9A0aPLnchdVn4Xb POgklHOGKb3W+MrlRSseioOscxTdr+7IB3vDB5TE7uaQuCIOc05pwAWA6PsLjOho zoTkUpmzA8MRr08AU2Qm6IChEHI+1idpaxaEpgCOUuteBl2GM6WZZBoNqFXINAm+ T7wP4UbH78xT8UYrVbBz9n98/H+Oo8LzX44ov+btQT2CfjQgE3jQpSoJtd8ePSJJ pRxs/2IOqukPm+tUJH2XLGhpnf2BMUz89Y5NXKF+WF4aQmqihxfvzb/ZDGvstCOw ch7Eg2+AH2V816Ot9ZHPLZrJzqkTWMORGUVPDjyRlTqIvYUm49MNtog5Vlr7AHDl Ejgzsjb8FUKgHK17bQSZoPc48bRTwp3As00lnsRDp7xZxKyDvpb36ETVFZMry9WJ a/1zkAIqMd5/fiWHa0gw =3DlI71 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 09:40:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B49106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:40:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11D48FC16 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09593E6032 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:40:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from core.nessbank (client-82-31-12-174.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.31.12.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:40:23 +0100 (BST) From: Bruce Cran To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:40:22 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/9.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.5.1; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201010071040.22559.bruce@cran.org.uk> Subject: postfix installed in base, mailwrapper spins using 100% CPU X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:40:25 -0000 Hi, I installed a new server recently with postfix. I first rebuilt world using WITH_SENDMAIL=no and removed the sendmail files using 'make delete-old'. I installed postfix in /usr but now mailwrapper doesn't work - it runs using 100% CPU and never quits. I suspect it might be stuck in a loop trying to run the sendmail binary and being redirected back to itself. So /etc/mail/mailer.conf contains: sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail send-mail /usr/sbin/sendmail mailq /usr/sbin/sendmail newaliases /usr/sbin/sendmail and /usr/sbin/sendmail is: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Oct 2 09:50 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> /usr/sbin/mailwrapper Should it actually be the sendmail binary that postfix installs, and if so I'm wondering how it could have ended up being a symlink? -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 10:23:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39F0106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544138FC1A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4so247786gyg.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:23:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oud7Ghv8+Bj5qCVLTSY+JNyi60OeYU5dNekOftgkpCQ=; b=NwU04A1pwBPxIP8xg3CWUDY0tXKcB/i8inLNgvbkf7RxM2FUV6wbYCe6TMDogMyrnW EDL74anAMSQvJkF3LXSmhsP9FmwBo7YqfSZUNYZlgIczo83rb+iYD4Eoe0fsv8vID1Gw M8FuDaYCLgdQS3mHsbmiY3C+onygZtKQiOe4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GxeMVjOYm400bQPJa5qsfOIBWSfYfDqhPcqsIM19GxPdv2JWGCB22VMHpc1Bcv/XR4 Q2rroKGTQS1qacnofWMbl0uhTmE/9TrylKWT/CPPjaVSOYgU3XDsVpRMREcTPdDxfHz9 EJqzDs3jbz8Ru2vCNN87Z3sheZTG+yoSLTNn8= Received: by 10.101.135.34 with SMTP id m34mr771600ann.142.1286446985588; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host211.190-230-73.telecom.net.ar [190.230.73.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b21sm199976ana.2.2010.10.07.03.23.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CAD9F85.5000005@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:23:01 -0300 From: Gonzalo Nemmi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; es-AR; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4CAD40C7.5080908@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:23:20 -0000 El 07/10/2010 02:18 a.m., Rob Farmer escribió: > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 20:38, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: >> >> As a lawyer, no matter how much I review your set up, it´s a _fact_ that a >> license place in a place like >> /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c, that is to say, lost >> amongs a gazillion files: _will_ scape any review. >> >> Furthermore, you can count on legal advise about the thing you tell you >> lawyer to review, but if you ignore _what_ you want to get reviewed: you >> can´t count on anyone knowing it for you. > > I would assume that such a review would involve extracting all the > licenses in the source tree, eliminating the duplicates, and having > those reviewed. I'm saying I don't find the "oh I missed that one" > argument convincing, because if there is the possibility of missing a > license, then you aren't looking closely enough in the first place. I would assume you already did that before walking into my office to ask me about the set of licenses up for a review ... otherwise, there´s no way to me to look close enough where I wasn´t asked to look ... If you go tell your Dr. you have a simple cof and a runy nose, he won´t ask you to go trhough a colonoscopy or a brain tomography ... and, _please_, _by_all_means_ don´t count on him finding anything on your colon or in your brain in that case. > This license is not just in > src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c - it is in all the files > within the acpica contrib directory, plus the upstream vendor states > that it applies to the entire tarball on their website. You should > reasonably expect that each piece of software (ie directory) within > contrib may be under a different license and needs to be reviewed. It´s not about what a lawyer or an accountant expects or doesn´t. It´s about what _you_, who know your way around your business (only you know your code, the licenses it contains and where) a lot better than he (who actually only knows "his way around his business"), ask him to review. If you didn´t: don´t count on him jumping at you answering a question that was never asked in the first place, regardless of whether the license is on every acpica file or any file on the scheduler or on the bluetooth, usb or tcp/ip stack or anywhere else ... >>> Making the license more visible may be a good idea, but doesn't >>> materially change the situation any. >> >> It does by making it visible and thus telling potential >> exporters/re-exporters "watch out for this one. Ask your lawyer about it´s >> terms and conditions". > > What I meant by "doesn't materially change the situation any" is that > everything exported from the US should be considered under export > restrictions unless proven otherwise. Jung-uk Kim says: > > Historically FreeBSD never touched the license header. However, I am > going to do it next time to avoid confusions. > ( http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-October/222451.html > ) > > I don't think this makes a bit of difference (it fact it would be > somewhat misleading) since the export restrictions are a valid law and > dropping clauses from the license doesn't change that - are you saying > I'm wrong here? Im saying what I already said. Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 12:12:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683E7106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:12:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2024C8FC18 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o97BDgUv017405; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 06:13:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 06:13:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <201010071113.o97BDg0X017404@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: Bruce Cran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Bas Smeelen , vyaaghrah-nix@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Cache Memory in top command X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:12:34 -0000 On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:42:30 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: >On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:57:09 +0200 >Bas Smeelen wrote: > >> *Cache:* number of clean pages caching data that are available for >> immediate reallocation >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=top&sektion=1 >> > >I believe the "Cache" value is almost totally unrelated to the >amount of memory used for caching: FreeBSD has a unified buffer cache >so any memory is available for use as cache. Unlike Linux, you can't >look at the line in 'top' to see how much memory is being used for >buffers and cache. > >You can find more information about the VM architecture at >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/arch-handbook/vm.html . > The top(1) man page is clearly in error, at least on FreeBSD systems. The descriptions of the Active, Inact, Wired, Cache, Buf, and Free fields are all wrong inasmuch as the word "pages" in each should instead be "bytes". For example, top on my system at present shows: Mem: 1099M Active, 401M Inact, 262M Wired, 88M Cache, 112M Buf, 143M Free Consider the value given for "Wired" (i.e., page-fixed pages, which cannot exceed the number of page frames on the machine, of course.) Now, either "M" has some extraordinary definition, or it means "mega", though presumably in the classical computing sense of the power of 2 that is closest to one million. My machine has 2 GB of RAM, so it is quite clearly an error to say that there are 262 megapages (even assuming base pages (4 KB/page on i386 and amd64) and not superpages) on this machine. Note that 262 megapages would be 4096 bytes/page * 262 * 1024 * 1024 pages) or 1048 GB, which I suspect is rather more than FreeBSD kernels currently support, especially in i386, which is what my system is running. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 12:40:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5BA106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:40:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2118FC1B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.4/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id o97CeMhW066447 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:40:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Ids: 166 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6546F89FD9 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:40:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 3E38240C9; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:42:06 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:42:06 +0000 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101007144206.GA49527@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Miltered: at jchkmail.jussieu.fr with ID 4CADBFB6.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4CADBFB6.006/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ Subject: Re: Cache Memory in top command X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:40:24 -0000 Bruce Cran said: > The top(1) man page is clearly in error, at least on FreeBSD systems. Here is an answer to a similar question given by John Dyson the author of the FreeBSD VM system. http://groups.google.fr/group/comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc/browse_thread/thread/7d3d28b807640847/9c081931470adefb?hl=fr&q=jdyson+ctive,+Inact,+Wired,+Cache,+Buf#9c081931470adefb Lowell Gilbert wrote: > "Nospam" writes: > > Here you see what I get to see when I use top (ofcourse it's at one > > certain > > time...). Why is there so much Inactive memory? Why isn't that > > memory Free? > > Is this correct, or is there some bad application? > It's correct. There's a slogan that goes "free memory is wasted > memory." Alternatively, you could look at "inactive" memory as being > free if that makes you happier. The memory stats are gathered, and a semi-layered state of the memory pages are presented. Inactive memory is quickly reusable, but is deemed to be statistically inactive. The wasted memory in the system is indeed the memory marked 'free.' Most of the other memory is used for other (caching) purposes. If you look at the latest version of 'top', Active, Inact, Wired and Cache memory are all memory that contain mostly usable data. Buf is sort of a subset of Wired, and Free is totally disused. Active memory is mapped into processes, Inact memory might be mapped into processes, and might be staged for being paged out. Wired memory is mapped into the kernel, and Cache memory is unmapped but still retains potentially interesting data. When a system is moderately heavily used, the Free memory is actually kept small in amount, and is indeed the 'wasted' memory in the system. One time, I wrote some code that estimated the 'free' memory in the system, and it isn't really very intuitive. Since FreeBSD has VM memory management, the amount of free real memory is tricky to calculate. The best thing to believe (if you can depend on paging), is that the system will try to maintain a proper balance of memory usage. And elsewhere he says: Cache are the pages that are available for quick reuse. Inact and Active are part of the staging algorithm, where Inact is use as a 2nd chance and staging for cleaning (writing changed data.) Free are also pages that are available for quick reuse, but have no data, and are available at interrupt time. The stats scheme includes some stats associatiated with active pages also. -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 13:26:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AA81065670 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:26:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740C48FC15 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sagemaster (sageweb.net [65.68.247.73]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id o97DDDi0064408 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 08:13:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host sageweb.net [65.68.247.73] claimed to be sagemaster Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20101007081311.00edf500@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:13:11 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:13:14 -0500 X-Scanned-By: milter-sender/1.16.915 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:13:14 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Subject: Captcha image does not load X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:26:13 -0000 Folks: Please bear with me on this one. Am using FBSD-7.0p9 and PHP52. Have been using a Captcha protection against robots for a download section of the server. It worked just fine since installed for a couple of years, even with prior versions of PHP5. However, the captcha suddenly stopped loading the initial image and required multiple clicks (variable times at that) to get it to load an image that could be used by the customer. Just shows the little "x" as broken link to image. Nothing tried has solved the issue. Had to add text telling people to keep clicking if an image is not seen. Anyone seen this and have any suggestions on how to fix other than finding a different captcha script?. Help appreciated. All the best, Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 13:34:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A23C106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:34:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6068FC1B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so67035wyb.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:34:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TV2ZXTtnI2shueHGOv8V2BoiLPRIuyF7ZCezwWQILWA=; b=nvAugUAYN7os9BJgguCEv3QYCNxCFOufG3sOepv3p1wN2ZfOQU9RTNyuRXPAbcwbgl WKXQgyjkTf7HzAeTbK3+dRHeAMuTAR7Od3hyzqqUFZb6c3UXnKOKT8BjwIQR9n6TYzxK lrn5ZeFcorCulB2oOenf6SJQ8ph7zeLqetW2g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=o5W/BaoZeXOE0vTwT3KKJbL9jK262U3HffETixx9IOjaxOHRLjNJAoYZP3u2uIMZcZ 0WKABLumg/G+LuJfdbl4Y3zkg0y/D4a3/UNZRH4RHCde8bjw02ZXUCTJuZFZUCXlo6zc wMViPvlCILs2cDTBJHK5xhzeQA2svANlNEKd4= Received: by 10.216.21.206 with SMTP id r56mr2320251wer.31.1286458471560; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x75sm230954weq.26.2010.10.07.06.34.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:34:27 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101007143427.1245645f@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <201010071113.o97BDg0X017404@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: <201010071113.o97BDg0X017404@mp.cs.niu.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cache Memory in top command X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:34:33 -0000 On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 06:13:42 -0500 (CDT) Scott Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:42:30 +0100 Bruce Cran > wrote: > >You can find more information about the VM architecture at > >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/arch-handbook/vm.html . > > > The top(1) man page is clearly in error, at least on FreeBSD > systems. The descriptions of the Active, Inact, Wired, Cache, Buf, > and Free fields are all wrong inasmuch as the word "pages" in each > should instead be "bytes". For example, top on my system at present > shows: > > Mem: 1099M Active, 401M Inact, 262M Wired, 88M Cache, 112M Buf, 143M > Free > > Consider the value given for "Wired" (i.e., page-fixed pages, which > cannot exceed the number of page frames on the machine, of course.) > Now, either "M" has some extraordinary definition, or it means > "mega", though presumably in the classical computing sense of the > power of 2 that is closest to one million. It does actually say, just above, that M and K are megabytes and kilobytes. It is wrong though, in that it has "number of pages" when it should have "memory from pages" or just "pages" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 13:38:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A755106566B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:38:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D9E8FC08 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o97DctF0014200; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:38:55 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o97DctEX014191; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:38:55 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A78CC33C1F; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:38:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:38:54 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Bruce Cran Message-ID: <20101007133854.GA39209@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <201010071040.22559.bruce@cran.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201010071040.22559.bruce@cran.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: postfix installed in base, mailwrapper spins using 100% CPU X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:38:59 -0000 On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 10:40:22AM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: > > Hi, > > I installed a new server recently with postfix. I first rebuilt world using > WITH_SENDMAIL=no and removed the sendmail files using 'make delete-old'. I > installed postfix in /usr but now mailwrapper doesn't work - it runs using > 100% CPU and never quits. I suspect it might be stuck in a loop trying to run > the sendmail binary and being redirected back to itself. So > /etc/mail/mailer.conf contains: > > sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail > send-mail /usr/sbin/sendmail > mailq /usr/sbin/sendmail > newaliases /usr/sbin/sendmail > > and /usr/sbin/sendmail is: > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Oct 2 09:50 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> > /usr/sbin/mailwrapper > > Should it actually be the sendmail binary that postfix installs, and if so I'm > wondering how it could have ended up being a symlink? > You should use src.conf(5) and set WITHOUT_SENDMAIL=yes to avoid building sendmail nowadays. Postfix normally (when installed from ports) installs a "fake" sendmail binary in /usr/local/bin. So mailer.conf should contain the following: # # Execute the Postfix sendmail program, named /usr/local/sbin/sendmail # sendmail /usr/local/sbin/sendmail send-mail /usr/local/sbin/sendmail mailq /usr/local/sbin/sendmail newaliases /usr/local/sbin/sendmail and rc.conf should have: sendmail_enable="NONE" Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 13:52:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C862E1065714 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:52:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FA28FC32 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B006CE6163; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:52:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from unknown (client-82-31-12-174.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.31.12.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:52:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:52:08 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: Michel Talon Message-ID: <20101007145208.000077a8@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20101007144206.GA49527@lpthe.jussieu.fr> References: <20101007144206.GA49527@lpthe.jussieu.fr> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cache Memory in top command X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:52:10 -0000 On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:42:06 +0000 Michel Talon wrote: > Bruce Cran said: > > > The top(1) man page is clearly in error, at least on FreeBSD > > systems. I did not say that. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 13:56:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA261065673 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:56:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AB98FC28 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1643BE8B7D; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:56:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from unknown (client-82-31-12-174.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.31.12.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:56:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:56:42 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: Frank Shute Message-ID: <20101007145642.0000593f@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20101007133854.GA39209@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <201010071040.22559.bruce@cran.org.uk> <20101007133854.GA39209@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: postfix installed in base, mailwrapper spins using 100% CPU X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:56:44 -0000 On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:38:54 +0100 Frank Shute wrote: > You should use src.conf(5) and set WITHOUT_SENDMAIL=yes to avoid > building sendmail nowadays. I don't know why I said I had WITH_SENDMAIL=no, because I actually have WITHOUT_SENDMAIL=yes in /etc/src.conf! > Postfix normally (when installed from ports) installs a "fake" > sendmail binary in /usr/local/bin. I think the problem occurs because in the OPTIONS menu I told it to install to /usr: INST_BASE "Install into /usr and /etc/postfix" I guess I need to remove /usr/sbin/sendmail and reinstall postfix. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 13:57:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FF11065673 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:57:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479178FC1C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so417546iwn.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.172.75 with SMTP id k11mr923102ibz.4.1286459788017; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:56:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.166.77 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 06:56:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:56:06 +0000 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:57:21 -0000 On a fresh 8.1-RELEASE install ifconfig wlan0 scan results in no output and takes forever (ie - it hangs) ifconfig wlan0 ssid my_ssid dhclient wlan0 results in no link being discovered Here is some relevant system config and such to help diagnose the problem: #ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev bwn0 #ifconfig bwn0 bwn0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 2290 ether xx:yy:zz:xx:yy:zz media: IEEE 8.2.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g status: associated # cat /boot/loader.conf |head -2 bwn_b4_lp_ucode_load="YES" if_bwn_load="YES" #kldstat |grep bwn 2 1 0xc0fb6000 37248 if_bwn.ko 3 2 0xc0fee000 a26c siba_bwn.ko 7 1 0xc1078000 2cbd8 bwn_v4_lp_ucode #pciconf -lv | grep -A3 bwn siba_bwn0@pci0:4:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x04b514e4 chip=0x431514e4 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vender = 'Broadcom Corporation' device = 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' class = network #uname -rms FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE i386 On a Lenovo G530 -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 13:58:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301A110656BE for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:58:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52048FC21 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:58:48 +0200 Message-ID: <4CADD218.6010609@ose.nl> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:58:48 +0200 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201010071113.o97BDg0X017404@mp.cs.niu.edu> <20101007143427.1245645f@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20101007143427.1245645f@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Cache Memory in top command X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:58:51 -0000 On 10/07/2010 03=3A34 PM=2C RW wrote=3A =3E On Thu=2C 7 Oct 2010 06=3A13=3A42 -0500 =28CDT=29 =3E Scott Bennett =3Cbennett=40cs=2Eniu=2Eedu=3E wrote=3A =3E =3E =3E =20 =3E=3E The top=281=29 man page is clearly in error=2C at least on Free= BSD =3E=3E systems=2E The descriptions of the Active=2C Inact=2C Wired=2C Cache= =2C Buf=2C =3E=3E and Free fields are all wrong inasmuch as the word =22pages=22 in ea= ch =3E=3E should instead be =22bytes=22=2E For example=2C top on my system at= present =3E=3E shows=3A =3E=3E =3E=3E Mem=3A 1099M Active=2C 401M Inact=2C 262M Wired=2C 88M Cache=2C 112M= Buf=2C 143M =3E=3E Free =3E=3E =3E=3E Consider the value given for =22Wired=22 =28i=2Ee=2E=2C page-fixed p= ages=2C which =3E=3E cannot exceed the number of page frames on the machine=2C of course= =2E=29 =3E=3E Now=2C either =22M=22 has some extraordinary definition=2C or it mea= ns =3E=3E =22mega=22=2C though presumably in the classical computing sense of= the =3E=3E power of 2 that is closest to one million=2E=20 =3E=3E =20 =3E It does actually say=2C just above=2C that M and K are megabytes and =3E kilobytes=2E It is wrong though=2C in that it has =22number of pages=22= when =3E it should have =22memory from pages=22 or just =22pages=22=20 =3E =20 Thank you both I have submitted a pr with patch for the man page DISCLAIMER=3A This e-mail is for the intended recipient=28s=29 only=2E Acce= ss=2C disclosure=2C copying=2C distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited=2E If yo= u have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system= =2E From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 14:20:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36991065672 for ; 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Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.187.194 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:20:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:20:20 +0000 Message-ID: From: Paul B Mahol To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:20:23 -0000 On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: > On a fresh 8.1-RELEASE install > > ifconfig wlan0 scan results in no output and takes forever (ie - it hangs) If you set wlan0 for manual roaming it will not hang. Use 'ifconfig wlan0 list scan' instead. > ifconfig wlan0 ssid my_ssid > dhclient wlan0 > results in no link being discovered > > Here is some relevant system config and such to help diagnose the problem: > > #ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev bwn0 > > #ifconfig bwn0 > bwn0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 2290 > ether xx:yy:zz:xx:yy:zz > media: IEEE 8.2.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g > status: associated > > # cat /boot/loader.conf |head -2 > bwn_b4_lp_ucode_load="YES" > if_bwn_load="YES" > > #kldstat |grep bwn > 2 1 0xc0fb6000 37248 if_bwn.ko > 3 2 0xc0fee000 a26c siba_bwn.ko > 7 1 0xc1078000 2cbd8 bwn_v4_lp_ucode > > #pciconf -lv | grep -A3 bwn > siba_bwn0@pci0:4:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x04b514e4 chip=0x431514e4 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vender = 'Broadcom Corporation' > device = 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' > class = network > > #uname -rms > FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE i386 > > On a Lenovo G530 > > -- > Eitan Adler > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 14:22:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5B61065672 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AB88FC1F for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so447961iwn.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.30.68 with SMTP id t4mr910859ibc.129.1286461349496; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:22:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.166.77 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:22:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:22:09 +0000 Message-ID: To: Paul B Mahol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:22:30 -0000 >> >> ifconfig wlan0 scan results in no output and takes forever (ie - it hang= s) > If you set wlan0 for manual roaming it will not hang. > > Use 'ifconfig wlan0 list scan' instead. That worked, thanks. dhclient still results in no link being found. > >> ifconfig wlan0 ssid my_ssid >> dhclient wlan0 >> results in no link being discovered >> >> Here is some relevant system config and such to help diagnose the proble= m: >> >> #ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev bwn0 >> >> #ifconfig bwn0 >> bwn0: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu 2= 290 >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0ether xx:yy:zz:xx:yy:zz >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0media: IEEE 8.2.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0status: associated >> >> # cat /boot/loader.conf |head -2 >> bwn_b4_lp_ucode_load=3D"YES" >> if_bwn_load=3D"YES" >> >> #kldstat |grep bwn >> 2 1 0xc0fb6000 37248 if_bwn.ko >> 3 2 0xc0fee000 a26c siba_bwn.ko >> 7 1 0xc1078000 2cbd8 bwn_v4_lp_ucode >> >> #pciconf -lv | grep -A3 bwn >> siba_bwn0@pci0:4:0:0: =C2=A0class=3D0x028000 card=3D0x04b514e4 chip=3D0x= 431514e4 >> rev=3D0x01 hdr=3D0x00 >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 vender =3D 'Broadcom Corporation' >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 device =3D 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 class =C2=A0 =C2=A0=3D network >> >> #uname -rms >> FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE i386 >> >> On a Lenovo G530 >> >> -- >> Eitan Adler >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" >> > --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 14:24:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A84E106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:24:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phanquochien@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E608FC0A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so134682wyb.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:24:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=G4NoKjPmI6Gca9bvi8cdaXPjunQpogOxfNF37HxCfM0=; b=gWOeFIqJMkBVUwIjrFF1xRVtYg8xvrKH/632LztvPETgZahnrC/BH0qHo3M7aIvQQK KSRwIJeM3T4aQ//2akmvQPSjDpxGy2qpdgulxuCtq4D5KjulhpzJqejQpogXdEhbezH1 fowe1qI7AaokgFpDE01B05QpM8YvmwCHKzokM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=TTcBGg5GsFis/koIF/e2Xweh2eTQ97JFLFlEwvGvZaU/HIsglxljrirVaxlNFx8Q4I Ogp7552Jleyw0c3gYrMuRBXWXLoNzNWGIeduvsy6vWVmCtJetTWS3Q2vAuXrTGcQEU0D ncodufpNLKSidLazgI4/mayj2KzmnFnkCKX+c= Received: by 10.227.129.4 with SMTP id m4mr903835wbs.123.1286461490961; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:24:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.142.194 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Phan Quoc Hien Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:24:30 +0700 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Can not install ZendOptimizer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:24:52 -0000 Hello, I'm trying install ZendOptimizer with my php5 and get this error: freebsd# make install clean > ===> ZendOptimizer-3.3.0.a cannot install: doesn't work with PHP version : > 5 (Doesn't support PHP 5). > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ZendOptimizer. > Why error? ZendOptimizer port is older? Thanks. -- Best regards, Mr.Hien E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com Website: www.mrhien.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 14:25:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7543D1065674 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thgesteves@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA248FC19 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so135172wyb.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:25:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=e9a2l/kHDOa13LJ6PSgyi1KxcNfe9PczA2GUf1zOvi0=; b=G/pBbwQUm5r9YwPsn1kgvhJKyqNfVnPmn90eN1WQr6YrFLGgkzNrsTv7EHpwLJA9QP VB4bBNLWvzzUS/XunaSPEnew7RSSh5FgrL1v++nXSKaMyygSLRqZ6EyzZMNT4jXowsMT ZasDdUrhmiYTTCUE+Cj63KX9wPHJmeywIwfHo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=MHKAA1bt7B0Wyet8Uuw2PYMTnLujkyld7QUuR3CDU3joNgaUXdESoNF8Vz3Jre8uvR zLRD5rcu7PtTTZZUSVGUnzCdIC3ad0+H6EIfQNRLF70VUbGlHxlv/asBK9L5QYfHTgUw eNAhuMFT5/6lGuqtXE8llXSKSsAK6H+yLUTEA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.159.131 with SMTP id s3mr783759wek.99.1286460117425; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.50.210 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:01:57 -0300 Message-ID: From: Thiago Esteves To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD on Amazon EC2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:25:13 -0000 Hello all, Does someone seem got FreeBSD running on Amazon EC2? Anyone ever tried to create a FreeBSD AMI for ec2? Many thanks, Thiago From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 14:31:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F347106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CBE8FC0C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:31:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so386020ewy.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:31:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FBHoD/7M9RwrT1JrvvCE1cboLAq0BK9hHxtr8MmTRy0=; b=AwUxodojlmUPIuiJHJOV5Br5inMojmNH3wbJ0pxtberhZcTzTe5ne7T64zQTt0SgVa jtSO2OKMf2gyk7zy80taoGv43LQ7oNfZS12wYnp+WXXxg0Bt2cO1iN2gL2uw26bKrvp2 1GTN4yhjs5f86XeXoGSYuSAaRuK/M3ZYOU2mU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=BigXgzHSlbsKF1gTnSzQsYRQTNCeMOBZ15FvxnOOhBZaZUBqpIhTCp5vwnxCyCGPkv Sg74/CrbWcWRwqEwZRhpwz4oPtUpOe3LQ+/huokOwr3jvXsna9a8hj263SywoNSXTE4J MBJH1PagOlhA6cqQrh/rmsAvL8xVVT5EvkVMs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.46.208 with SMTP id k16mr516516ebf.20.1286461902662; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.187.194 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:31:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:31:42 +0000 Message-ID: From: Paul B Mahol To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:31:45 -0000 On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: >>> >>> ifconfig wlan0 scan results in no output and takes forever (ie - it >>> hangs) >> If you set wlan0 for manual roaming it will not hang. >> >> Use 'ifconfig wlan0 list scan' instead. > That worked, thanks. > > dhclient still results in no link being found. Are you sure that you setup is correct? For example you can not connect to AP which require RSN authmode if you configure wlan0 for OPEN authmode, you also may not connect to AP if you are far away, because you are able to receive and send doesn't mean AP can see your packets ........ Try changing ucastrate to lower values. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 14:39:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA8810656B7 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pat@flying-gecko.net) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA268FC08 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kermit.flying-gecko.net ([unknown] [96.241.25.113]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L9X006E99WJD5F1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:38:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pat by kermit.flying-gecko.net with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3qgF-0007Hp-KW; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:38:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:38:43 -0400 From: Patrick Ouellette To: Rob Hurle Message-id: <20101007133843.GA27892@flying-gecko.net> References: <8424F635E837A047A9FEF132ADAF1E0726B111344E@DNZSERVEX1.dnzservices.co.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline In-reply-to: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, support@lists.pcbsd.org, debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Canon Support Centre - Ref # 00066023 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:39:14 -0000 Actually what I see is a (probably untrained in Linux) customer service rep apologizing to you for the issue you are having, and then pointing you to the Linux driver. I suspect English is not the service rep's native language and the service rep is using a script to respond to the inquiry. Clearly Canon supplies Linux drivers, so they intended the printer to be used with Linux. This is probably a by-product of supporting Mac OS X. I would ask to have the issue escalated to the next level technician as the marketing materials on Canon's web site state it works with: "Windows 2000/Server 2003 32bit/64bit and Mac OS 10.3.9 - or later (download); Linux, Citrix, Metaframe " http://www.canon.com.au/en-au/For-You/Printers/LaserShot-Laser-Printers/LBP7200Cdn Should they persist in claiming no support, ask them how you will be receiving a refund for your printer as it does not work as advertised. Good luck. Pat -- Patrick Ouellette pat@flying-gecko.net ne4po (at) arrl (dot) net Amateur Radio: NE4PO What kind of change have you been in the world today? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 14:57:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112341065694 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from craig001@lerwick.hopto.org) Received: from lerwick.hopto.org (lerwick.hopto.org [204.51.112.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041DD8FC16 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 53488 invoked by uid 98); 7 Oct 2010 15:01:07 +0000 Received: from 81.187.141.93 by mailserver (envelope-from , uid 82) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (clamdscan: 0.96.1/11509. spamassassin: 3.3.1. Clear:RC:1(81.187.141.93):. Processed in 0.01653 secs); 07 Oct 2010 15:01:07 -0000 Received: from 93.141.187.81.in-addr.arpa (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (81.187.141.93) by lerwick.hopto.org with SMTP; 7 Oct 2010 15:01:07 +0000 From: Craig Butler To: Phan Quoc Hien In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:57:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1286463446.8004.5.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can not install ZendOptimizer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:57:42 -0000 On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 21:24 +0700, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: > Hello, > I'm trying install ZendOptimizer with my php5 and get this error: > > freebsd# make install clean > > ===> ZendOptimizer-3.3.0.a cannot install: doesn't work with PHP version : > > 5 (Doesn't support PHP 5). > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ZendOptimizer. > > > Why error? ZendOptimizer port is older? > Thanks. I am guessing now... remember just a guess!... the ZendOptimizer version 3.3.0.a doesn't work with php version 5 It is not supported. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 15:11:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD39106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:11:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312C08FC13 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:11:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FqAK1f0021GXsucA8rBXVl; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:11:31 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.9] ([70.89.202.1]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FrBV1f00D02K3z28UrBWUa; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:11:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <1286463446.8004.5.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:11:28 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0B26C158-127F-45AD-B2F3-D287F222AB91@cwis.biz> References: <1286463446.8004.5.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> To: Craig Butler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: Phan Quoc Hien , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can not install ZendOptimizer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:11:32 -0000 Phan, Seeing as it was realeased in 2007, I would not be completely surprised. What version of FreeBSD are you using? -- Ryan On Oct 7, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Craig Butler wrote: > On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 21:24 +0700, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: >> Hello, >> I'm trying install ZendOptimizer with my php5 and get this error: >>=20 >> freebsd# make install clean >>> =3D=3D=3D> ZendOptimizer-3.3.0.a cannot install: doesn't work with = PHP version : >>> 5 (Doesn't support PHP 5). >>> *** Error code 1 >>>=20 >>> Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ZendOptimizer. >>>=20 >> Why error? ZendOptimizer port is older? >> Thanks. >=20 > I am guessing now... remember just a guess!... the ZendOptimizer = version > 3.3.0.a doesn't work with php version 5 >=20 > It is not supported. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 15:18:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C11C106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:18:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phanquochien@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCE58FC0C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13so69758wwb.31 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:18:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=JEWwu6jc2WCjUa9zNOx0dBWs1BfKJFX2U8ayKGcCOEs=; b=Fzigxf/rt3cv9F7+gryfNR0ywG49zVjKdRAIPngSFEb0UIPrCJfOdQamoH3ey7+798 uQGxsTpqZhIaI6tmIwOtUPNL+JhbQ0wJ7NCu/QeTCGcDNRJOHgl3HAt91iK4qtHO94DX qBfWoMPZlzZ+Y7VkKitAbzpARhZIrgdQL///A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=PBMIjg5ZEpV+XB2XHh/HwXj7/nTm+Afv0vyjUVb73G78pzdjPb8oynhmF5eSZN4jGJ 9ZClAjV7L98TX0KNan+evQXszO+1WASW0202t33yS9JqKSp0EoBZ8zz8/ZzK9SA5zkg5 zGuyGCz+lYxtbT0rW+tJQmrIj6u1DKEdxEoyk= Received: by 10.227.129.4 with SMTP id m4mr977713wbs.123.1286464709975; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:18:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.142.194 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 08:18:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0B26C158-127F-45AD-B2F3-D287F222AB91@cwis.biz> References: <1286463446.8004.5.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> <0B26C158-127F-45AD-B2F3-D287F222AB91@cwis.biz> From: Phan Quoc Hien Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:18:09 +0700 Message-ID: To: Ryan Coleman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Craig Butler , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can not install ZendOptimizer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:18:38 -0000 First,Thank for all. I used FreeBSD 8.1 with php 5.3.3, but ZendOptimizer seem not support for php5? On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Phan, > > Seeing as it was realeased in 2007, I would not be completely surprised. > > What version of FreeBSD are you using? > > -- > Ryan > > On Oct 7, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Craig Butler wrote: > > > On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 21:24 +0700, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: > >> Hello, > >> I'm trying install ZendOptimizer with my php5 and get this error: > >> > >> freebsd# make install clean > >>> ===> ZendOptimizer-3.3.0.a cannot install: doesn't work with PHP > version : > >>> 5 (Doesn't support PHP 5). > >>> *** Error code 1 > >>> > >>> Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ZendOptimizer. > >>> > >> Why error? ZendOptimizer port is older? > >> Thanks. > > > > I am guessing now... remember just a guess!... the ZendOptimizer version > > 3.3.0.a doesn't work with php version 5 > > > > It is not supported. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Best regards, Mr.Hien E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com Website: www.mrhien.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 15:20:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA9C106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:20:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD4C8FC19 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so517047iwn.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.173.144 with SMTP id p16mr993642ibz.108.1286464831935; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:20:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.166.77 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 08:20:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:20:01 +0000 Message-ID: To: Paul B Mahol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:20:33 -0000 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: >>>> >>>> ifconfig wlan0 scan results in no output and takes forever (ie - it >>>> hangs) >>> If you set wlan0 for manual roaming it will not hang. >>> >>> Use 'ifconfig wlan0 list scan' instead. >> That worked, thanks. >> >> dhclient still results in no link being found. > > Are you sure that you setup is correct? > For example you can not connect to AP which require RSN authmode > if you configure wlan0 for OPEN authmode, you also may not > connect to AP if you are far away, because you are able > to receive and send doesn't mean AP can see your packets ........ > > Try changing ucastrate to lower values. > I'm not really sure what ucastrate does - but here it goes: $ifconfig wlan0 list scan|head -1 xyz 00:23:xx:yy:zz:aa:bb 1 54M -125:-95 102 E HTCAP WME $ifconfig wlan0 ssid xyz $dhclient wlan0 ... no link ... $ifconfig wlan0 ucastrate 9 $dhclient wlan0 ... no link ... $ifconfig wlan0 ucastrate 1 $dhclient wlan0 ... no link ... I'm fairly sure that I'm in an area where the signal reaches because when I was using the ndis driver (on an old install) it worked. This is a fresh install now. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 15:36:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7FD106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:36:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm1.ukr.net (fsm1.ukr.net [195.214.192.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8088FC08 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 201-161-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net ([94.179.161.201] helo=localhost) by fsm1.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1P3rfG-000K1O-24 ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:41:46 +0300 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:41:44 +0300 From: Ivan Klymenko To: Phan Quoc Hien Message-ID: <20101007174144.6e1be101@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can not install ZendOptimizer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:36:18 -0000 =D0=92 Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:24:30 +0700 Phan Quoc Hien =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > Hello, > I'm trying install ZendOptimizer with my php5 and get this error: >=20 > freebsd# make install clean > > =3D=3D=3D> ZendOptimizer-3.3.0.a cannot install: doesn't work with PHP > > version : 5 (Doesn't support PHP 5). > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ZendOptimizer. > > > Why error? ZendOptimizer port is older? > Thanks. because it requires version 4.4.x or 5.2.x and port php5 is version 5.3.x you need install/use port lang/php4 or lang/php52 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 15:44:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62199106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:44:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesbrandongooch@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E600D8FC13 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13so104761wwb.31 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:44:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qzOUJWxRQO4DUdHQri0fgyOPlT8LNepLGyShmry0lVM=; b=b7s9+XtH3bti3wPqv3HJTQh9TESWk5YXfUJ6ZZyhe5AeFfT+HCCa17bLjliYTUGBBa s9kWhGoUAtQUbaFQ6K888DRGX4wGGFXHuX8BqIP2rvgAWPjII//Bn/Bf1GmmkkjRc3ve 5iSG2UmBOxqa00R7FKem5uYE7YXe5QZZiPFYc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Eluo0rnjP1u2BiKumOEep69DZmUy4plu4AZN8O8Ai/OJr1cPX5RLA88QwR/WKHdi9q NCOOHvb0wSJoYoj6XPjzRFzS1i3Zzfa+8YxxCdgaHvUbuTmTlGEM6RalPfH5ukOoqvDk q0EUxdw6SK0ebTYI3uPBbtsunjWpyNR5nxUQs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.54.202 with SMTP id i52mr946752wec.40.1286466289910; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.133.133 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 08:44:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <864ocywvbk.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <864ocywvbk.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:44:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: Brandon Gooch To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:44:51 -0000 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: [SNIP] > > Or a third alternative... use the ACPI implementation from OpenBSD, > which doesn't have such a restriction. Port it! I'll test it for you (on 9-CURRENT and, if possible, a backport to 8-STABLE). In your opinion, how long will it take, and how difficult will the process be? -Brandon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 16:04:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB571065700 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9E08FC08 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwi8 with SMTP id 8so3855pwi.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:04:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sTK4Pa6GhjT7kEU2Tzkv87nx2d1liXreKpg7OdS42s8=; b=gAbi5niAiuPbfRutf0BIY8V25fC9yy6fYp98gG4tHzRFNpQklEU0SFYdt+FIuoY8Uc 5pNP2+b59h9gAkXAid7AFq78BMSUS30xXA/idk9m/49BiNHm9rJ+JrnyBSrwRiF5apLY Q7520M0BnV7+oVAq/wVhH82f7EwfwN0U0jJfg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=f5TT5j8hCmq7/tDD+bfoSb6biso18fyOUlzWymnkDK0LBef2Z+mWToKRLSKrVD83Oa psBkQf5+vlx2FSjjAryyhnXrZKBK0XKukre1v8TuL1heTIJOFlDEL3MchWSzCcSgJvDi VeMQYzmWuCJRG9E4GbZY6g33u674qbgQ31hXw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.241.19 with SMTP id o19mr800129wfh.20.1286467497060; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.187.194 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:04:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:04:56 +0000 Message-ID: From: Paul B Mahol To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:04:58 -0000 On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: >> On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ifconfig wlan0 scan results in no output and takes forever (ie - it >>>>> hangs) >>>> If you set wlan0 for manual roaming it will not hang. >>>> >>>> Use 'ifconfig wlan0 list scan' instead. >>> That worked, thanks. >>> >>> dhclient still results in no link being found. >> >> Are you sure that you setup is correct? >> For example you can not connect to AP which require RSN authmode >> if you configure wlan0 for OPEN authmode, you also may not >> connect to AP if you are far away, because you are able >> to receive and send doesn't mean AP can see your packets ........ >> >> Try changing ucastrate to lower values. >> > > I'm not really sure what ucastrate does - but here it goes: > > $ifconfig wlan0 list scan|head -1 > xyz 00:23:xx:yy:zz:aa:bb 1 54M -125:-95 102 E HTCAP WME > $ifconfig wlan0 ssid xyz > $dhclient wlan0 > ... no link ... > $ifconfig wlan0 ucastrate 9 > $dhclient wlan0 > ... no link ... > $ifconfig wlan0 ucastrate 1 > $dhclient wlan0 > ... no link ... > > I'm fairly sure that I'm in an area where the signal reaches because > when I was using the ndis driver (on an old install) it worked. > This is a fresh install now. Looks like you cant associate at all. Also signal power is too low. Why is INT (beacon interval of AP) 102 ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 16:35:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD831106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03B48FC1A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FoHb1f0020EPchoACsbNBY; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:35:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.182] ([76.113.215.212]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Fsay1f00H4bXtdG8MsbLwD; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:35:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:34:57 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <72172F50-1BC8-42CC-AE55-5BF83CC1867C@cwis.biz> References: <1286463446.8004.5.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> <0B26C158-127F-45AD-B2F3-D287F222AB91@cwis.biz> To: Phan Quoc Hien X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: Craig Butler , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can not install ZendOptimizer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:35:22 -0000 Very strange situation you have. I, too, am running 8 (8.0-RELEASE) and I can confirm the error. But.... Isn't Zend part of the PHP5 codeblock? On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: > First,Thank for all. > I used FreeBSD 8.1 with php 5.3.3, but ZendOptimizer seem not support = for > php5? >=20 > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Ryan Coleman = wrote: >=20 >> Phan, >>=20 >> Seeing as it was realeased in 2007, I would not be completely = surprised. >>=20 >> What version of FreeBSD are you using? >>=20 >> -- >> Ryan >>=20 >> On Oct 7, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Craig Butler wrote: >>=20 >>> On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 21:24 +0700, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> I'm trying install ZendOptimizer with my php5 and get this error: >>>>=20 >>>> freebsd# make install clean >>>>> =3D=3D=3D> ZendOptimizer-3.3.0.a cannot install: doesn't work = with PHP >> version : >>>>> 5 (Doesn't support PHP 5). >>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ZendOptimizer. >>>>>=20 >>>> Why error? ZendOptimizer port is older? >>>> Thanks. >>>=20 >>> I am guessing now... remember just a guess!... the ZendOptimizer = version >>> 3.3.0.a doesn't work with php version 5 >>>=20 >>> It is not supported. >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Best regards, > Mr.Hien > E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com > Website: www.mrhien.info > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 16:35:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25F51065672 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AEC8FC08 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FoQi1f0010EPchoA8sbQPp; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:35:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.182] ([76.113.215.212]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Fsay1f00H4bXtdG8MsbPxQ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:35:24 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <20101007174144.6e1be101@ukr.net> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:35:22 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <626EB08A-9005-48E9-839C-5C5EF8164833@cwis.biz> References: <20101007174144.6e1be101@ukr.net> To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: Re: Can not install ZendOptimizer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:35:24 -0000 Ahh, ok. Ignore my last email then please. :) On Oct 7, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > =D0=92 Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:24:30 +0700 > Phan Quoc Hien =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: >=20 >> Hello, >> I'm trying install ZendOptimizer with my php5 and get this error: >>=20 >> freebsd# make install clean >>> =3D=3D=3D> ZendOptimizer-3.3.0.a cannot install: doesn't work with = PHP >>> version : 5 (Doesn't support PHP 5). >>> *** Error code 1 >>>=20 >>> Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ZendOptimizer. >>>=20 >> Why error? ZendOptimizer port is older? >> Thanks. >=20 > because it requires version 4.4.x or 5.2.x > and port php5 is version 5.3.x > you need install/use port lang/php4 or lang/php52 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 16:36:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8ECA1065673 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77648FC20 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so48769iwn.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.11.193 with SMTP id u1mr1066542ibu.113.1286469392593; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:36:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.166.77 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:36:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:36:12 +0000 Message-ID: To: Paul B Mahol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:36:35 -0000 > Looks like you cant associate at all. > Also signal power is too low. > > Why is INT (beacon interval of AP) 102 ? These are the defaults - I have no idea what these numbers mean. What should/could I be changing? -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 16:39:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07A71065670 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kma@mrecic.gov.ar) Received: from mx1.mrecic.gov.ar (mx1.mrecic.gov.ar [200.16.99.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333448FC0C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:39:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mrelmx08.mrec.ar ([140.191.48.40]) by mx1.mrecic.gov.ar with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2010 13:39:24 -0300 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mrelmx08.mrec.ar (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C42B6E2DC; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:57:58 -0300 (ART) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mrelmx08.mrec.ar Received: from mrelmx08.mrec.ar ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mrelmx08.mrec.ar [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sfsPr+Dk3wPc; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:57:57 -0300 (ART) Received: from mrelmx06.mrec.ar (mrelmx10.mrec.ar [140.191.48.45]) by mrelmx08.mrec.ar (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B436E2DA; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:57:57 -0300 (ART) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:39:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Mai To: Jason Message-ID: <2142474853.75664.1286469563186.JavaMail.root@mrelmx10.mrec.ar> In-Reply-To: <448088379.75662.1286469527610.JavaMail.root@mrelmx10.mrec.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [140.191.48.38] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.6_GA_2330.DEBIAN5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Linux)/6.0.6_GA_2330.DEBIAN5_64) Cc: Dan Nelson , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: LDAP Authentication from console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:39:27 -0000 Didn't receive all the emails, thank god this maillist is indexed! ;) login file: http://pastebin.ca/1956943 sshd file: http://pastebin.ca/1956946 system file: http://pastebin.ca/1956948 ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Jason" Para: "Dan Nelson" CC: "Kevin Mai" , "freebsd-questions" Enviados: Mi=C3=A9rcoles, 6 de Octubre 2010 14:00:08 Asunto: Re: LDAP Authentication from console On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 11:59:53AM -0500, Dan Nelson thus spake: >In the last episode (Oct 06), Kevin Mai said: >> Hey guys, >> >> I've already configured PAM to authenticate against ldap and it works >> wonderful using ssh/su/sudo/etc, but when I try to log in from >> console it >> prompts: >> >> login: kma >> Password: xxxxxxxx >> LDAP Password: xxxxxxxx (same as the first one) >> Login Incorrect >> login: > >Compare /etc/pam.d/login against one of your other pam services that >works. What I do on my servers is add pam_ldap to pam.d/system, then >blow away most >of the lines in the other files and replace them with > >auth include system >account include system >session include system >password include system > >, so I know everything uses the same configuration. Back when I had used LDAP for authentication I also needed to edit /etc/nsswitch.conf Not sure if this is still the case, or if I was doing it incorrectly, however not having didn't give me the ability to login via ldap. -jgh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 16:48:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541AF1065673 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:48:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phanquochien@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E808FC13 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so328985wyb.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:48:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=yvUso9J/nvDnH6fZisuXmrcvW+rNcbf5Z94bQzYCSYQ=; b=mGgkNVaS/nAAHIu54bp8aUajy2RgOaCnsQA2zRnRb0AExj9Z3KTYKb76CL88RtH/yO b3VoXLpSB5gjugRqWT2hrM8+bTKvwCruQROaTxKx4d4P8NUZ7I0lcy9enOQgYJZecvxx pngMnGHImPxI9D9FDNiDk9/HROKnkiPTsx/Dg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=LcIdPP496GFN0EdDlnmN+qp2n9aYlVIsHvsnnwHM4nJFq3zF8WWhzUnufY9L9Gz75B Z5JEz4ehkPWH509sOhHdB2qhP3qmNwwzvQpnI5zKjvnbe8MMV45vs8rCFc4MGc1NwUbZ Cy1cnRhEfweIw8CyRs50xZmp5d9d5ZiadvIGY= Received: by 10.227.129.149 with SMTP id o21mr1039420wbs.176.1286470058438; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:47:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.142.194 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:47:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <72172F50-1BC8-42CC-AE55-5BF83CC1867C@cwis.biz> References: <1286463446.8004.5.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> <0B26C158-127F-45AD-B2F3-D287F222AB91@cwis.biz> <72172F50-1BC8-42CC-AE55-5BF83CC1867C@cwis.biz> From: Phan Quoc Hien Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:47:17 +0700 Message-ID: To: Ryan Coleman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Craig Butler , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can not install ZendOptimizer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:48:10 -0000 No solution for install ZendOptimizer for Php5 on FreeBSD from port? :( On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Very strange situation you have. > > I, too, am running 8 (8.0-RELEASE) and I can confirm the error. > > But.... Isn't Zend part of the PHP5 codeblock? > > > On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: > > > First,Thank for all. > > I used FreeBSD 8.1 with php 5.3.3, but ZendOptimizer seem not support for > > php5? > > > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Ryan Coleman > wrote: > > > >> Phan, > >> > >> Seeing as it was realeased in 2007, I would not be completely surprised. > >> > >> What version of FreeBSD are you using? > >> > >> -- > >> Ryan > >> > >> On Oct 7, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Craig Butler wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 21:24 +0700, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: > >>>> Hello, > >>>> I'm trying install ZendOptimizer with my php5 and get this error: > >>>> > >>>> freebsd# make install clean > >>>>> ===> ZendOptimizer-3.3.0.a cannot install: doesn't work with PHP > >> version : > >>>>> 5 (Doesn't support PHP 5). > >>>>> *** Error code 1 > >>>>> > >>>>> Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ZendOptimizer. > >>>>> > >>>> Why error? ZendOptimizer port is older? > >>>> Thanks. > >>> > >>> I am guessing now... remember just a guess!... the ZendOptimizer > version > >>> 3.3.0.a doesn't work with php version 5 > >>> > >>> It is not supported. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Mr.Hien > > E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com > > Website: www.mrhien.info > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Best regards, Mr.Hien E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com Website: www.mrhien.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 16:55:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A161065679 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:55:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB458FC28 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FqPx1f0061eYJf8A2sv7kw; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:55:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.182] ([76.113.215.212]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FsuW1f00Y4bXtdG01sv66s; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:55:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:55:05 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4A031AD6-9E27-48E0-90F5-D1B6C3A892DF@cwis.biz> References: <1286463446.8004.5.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> <0B26C158-127F-45AD-B2F3-D287F222AB91@cwis.biz> <72172F50-1BC8-42CC-AE55-5BF83CC1867C@cwis.biz> To: Phan Quoc Hien X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: Craig Butler , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can not install ZendOptimizer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:55:08 -0000 Phan,=20 The solution looks like install PHP 5.2 (/usr/ports/lang/php52) and then = install /usr/ports/devel/ZendOptimizer. -- Ryan On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: > No solution for install ZendOptimizer for Php5 on FreeBSD from port? = :( >=20 > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Ryan Coleman = wrote: >=20 >> Very strange situation you have. >>=20 >> I, too, am running 8 (8.0-RELEASE) and I can confirm the error. >>=20 >> But.... Isn't Zend part of the PHP5 codeblock? >>=20 >>=20 >> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: >>=20 >>> First,Thank for all. >>> I used FreeBSD 8.1 with php 5.3.3, but ZendOptimizer seem not = support for >>> php5? >>>=20 >>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Ryan Coleman = >> wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Phan, >>>>=20 >>>> Seeing as it was realeased in 2007, I would not be completely = surprised. >>>>=20 >>>> What version of FreeBSD are you using? >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Ryan >>>>=20 >>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Craig Butler wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 21:24 +0700, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> I'm trying install ZendOptimizer with my php5 and get this error: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> freebsd# make install clean >>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D> ZendOptimizer-3.3.0.a cannot install: doesn't work = with PHP >>>> version : >>>>>>> 5 (Doesn't support PHP 5). >>>>>>> *** Error code 1 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ZendOptimizer. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Why error? ZendOptimizer port is older? >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I am guessing now... remember just a guess!... the ZendOptimizer >> version >>>>> 3.3.0.a doesn't work with php version 5 >>>>>=20 >>>>> It is not supported. >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Mr.Hien >>> E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com >>> Website: www.mrhien.info >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Best regards, > Mr.Hien > E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com > Website: www.mrhien.info > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 16:58:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01CE106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phanquochien@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAD18FC14 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so342901wyb.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:58:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=AxUiLzfTaOAby6mPtXWpGlYx1nm8P3zO4UD3BUJgfGQ=; b=RmRHswpOSoGzoi+eru9wL5gnwCRHomiZBdlJVYNjCI6D0yhrjb9Sri8+4YpwScOliY JLSZhuTCsfP68GXtfBDcBo7EmCnzA6rwh54smuqxnWhG5ybbPlxrC1oxCdDdSbpoFh0g OADaadEsfisRJAqjl2gRUAiVKJlAGGw396ass= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=Al/+sjI8IGRcMxBTm7yDMJ94g/rh0j4aKjqb8AmTUR9qVTMye9XAWw6730SpOST1wZ CQ3Q6MYch4NUGYAhwEAtjxbHsLqY23Uskb6Y5jiVOiG/ZZI7lfwxrxyEIKqH03qZfKNG BZOetImoo4YmClPqxjEXrtSW9zj7oWmhq8g+o= Received: by 10.227.138.147 with SMTP id a19mr1123887wbu.93.1286470692240; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:58:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.142.194 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:57:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A031AD6-9E27-48E0-90F5-D1B6C3A892DF@cwis.biz> References: <1286463446.8004.5.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> <0B26C158-127F-45AD-B2F3-D287F222AB91@cwis.biz> <72172F50-1BC8-42CC-AE55-5BF83CC1867C@cwis.biz> <4A031AD6-9E27-48E0-90F5-D1B6C3A892DF@cwis.biz> From: Phan Quoc Hien Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:57:51 +0700 Message-ID: To: Ryan Coleman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Craig Butler , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can not install ZendOptimizer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:58:14 -0000 Yes, Thank Ryan. But it's not clearly solution. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Phan, > > The solution looks like install PHP 5.2 (/usr/ports/lang/php52) and then > install /usr/ports/devel/ZendOptimizer. > > -- > Ryan > > On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: > > > No solution for install ZendOptimizer for Php5 on FreeBSD from port? :( > > > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Ryan Coleman > wrote: > > > >> Very strange situation you have. > >> > >> I, too, am running 8 (8.0-RELEASE) and I can confirm the error. > >> > >> But.... Isn't Zend part of the PHP5 codeblock? > >> > >> > >> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: > >> > >>> First,Thank for all. > >>> I used FreeBSD 8.1 with php 5.3.3, but ZendOptimizer seem not support > for > >>> php5? > >>> > >>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Ryan Coleman > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Phan, > >>>> > >>>> Seeing as it was realeased in 2007, I would not be completely > surprised. > >>>> > >>>> What version of FreeBSD are you using? > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ryan > >>>> > >>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Craig Butler wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 21:24 +0700, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: > >>>>>> Hello, > >>>>>> I'm trying install ZendOptimizer with my php5 and get this error: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> freebsd# make install clean > >>>>>>> ===> ZendOptimizer-3.3.0.a cannot install: doesn't work with PHP > >>>> version : > >>>>>>> 5 (Doesn't support PHP 5). > >>>>>>> *** Error code 1 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ZendOptimizer. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Why error? ZendOptimizer port is older? > >>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am guessing now... remember just a guess!... the ZendOptimizer > >> version > >>>>> 3.3.0.a doesn't work with php version 5 > >>>>> > >>>>> It is not supported. > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >>>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Best regards, > >>> Mr.Hien > >>> E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com > >>> Website: www.mrhien.info > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Mr.Hien > > E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com > > Website: www.mrhien.info > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Best regards, Mr.Hien E-mail: phanquochien@gmail.com Website: www.mrhien.info From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 16:58:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E541065694 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:58:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (dns1.vizion2000.net [62.49.197.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673898FC17 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7D76F34D453; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:58:39 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:58:39 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.5.1; amd64; ; ) X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201010071758.39381.david@vizion2000.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: ssl problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:58:43 -0000 I have been having trouble with apache server which has ceased loading and other ports which have some dependency on openssl. I believe the problem may be due to some kind of ssl conflict but do not know how to recognise the cause or go about identifying and curing the problem. System: freebsd 7.2 amd p3 generic quad core on intel If I run ssl the response from the version shows 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007. OpenSSL> version OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 Pkg _ info reports: dns1# pkg_info -o '*ssl*' Information for dsssl-docbook-modular-1.79_1,1: Origin: textproc/dsssl-docbook-modular Information for linux-openssl-0.9.7f_2: Origin: security/linux-openssl Information for openssl-1.0.0_2: Origin: security/openssl Information for php5-openssl-5.3.3_2: Origin: security/php5-openssl Information for py26-openssl-0.10: Origin: security/py-openssl Information for qca-ossl-2.0.0.b3_4: Origin: security/qca-ossl Attempting to load the apache server monitoring with ktrace: dns1# ktrace /usr/local/sbin/apachectl start Apache/2.2.16 mod_ssl/2.2.16 (Pass Phrase Dialog) Some of your private key files are encrypted for security reasons. In order to read them you have to provide the pass phrases. Server www.vizion2000.net:443 (RSA) Enter pass phrase: OK: Pass Phrase Dialog successful. dns1# kdump >ktrace_kdump_03 at the end of the kdump file I see the attempt to load fails as follows: 12759 sh RET getrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL setrlimit(RLIMIT_RSS,0x7fffffffdd20) 12759 sh RET setrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL getrlimit(RLIMIT_MEMLOCK,0x7fffffffddb0) 12759 sh RET getrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL setrlimit(RLIMIT_MEMLOCK,0x7fffffffddb0) 12759 sh RET setrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL getrlimit(RLIMIT_NPROC,0x7fffffffde40) 12759 sh RET getrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL setrlimit(RLIMIT_NPROC,0x7fffffffde40) 12759 sh RET setrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL getrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE,0x7fffffffded0) 12759 sh RET getrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL setrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE,0x7fffffffded0) 12759 sh RET setrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL getrlimit(RLIMIT_SBSIZE,0x7fffffffdf60) 12759 sh RET getrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL setrlimit(RLIMIT_SBSIZE,0x7fffffffdf60) 12759 sh RET setrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL getrlimit(RLIMIT_VMEM,0x7fffffffdff0) 12759 sh RET getrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL setrlimit(RLIMIT_VMEM,0x7fffffffdff0) 12759 sh RET setrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL dup2(0xb,0x1) 12759 sh RET dup2 1 12759 sh CALL close(0xb) 12759 sh RET close 0 12759 sh CALL dup2(0xc,0x2) 12759 sh RET dup2 2 12759 sh CALL close(0xc) 12759 sh RET close 0 12759 sh CALL getrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE,0x7fffffffe260) 12759 sh RET getrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL setrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE,0x7fffffffe260) 12759 sh RET setrlimit 0 12759 sh CALL read(0xa,0x5204c0,0x3ff) 12759 sh GIO fd 10 read 380 bytes " is no longer supported. echo Please edit httpd.conf to include the SSL configuration settings echo and then use "apachectl start". ERROR=2 ;; configtest) $HTTPD -t ERROR=$? ;; status) $LYNX $STATUSURL | awk ' /process$/ { print; exit } { print } ' ;; fullstatus) $LYNX $STATUSURL ;; *) $HTTPD $ARGV ERROR=$? esac exit $ERROR " 12759 sh RET read 380/0x17c 12759 sh CALL fork 12759 sh RET fork 12762/0x31da 12759 sh CALL getpgrp 12759 sh RET getpgrp 12759/0x31d7 12759 sh CALL wait4(0xffffffff,0x7fffffffe1cc,WUNTRACED,0) 12759 sh RET wait4 12762/0x31da 12759 sh CALL exit(0) Please ask for further info. Thanks in advance David Photographic Artist Permanent Installations & Design Creative Imagery and Advanced Digital Techniques High Dynamic Range Photography & Official Portraiture Combined darkroom & digital creations & Systems Adminstrator for the vizion2000.net network From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 16:59:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914FE106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:59:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC628FC1E for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so28255pxi.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:59:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.125.17 with SMTP id x17mr1207750wac.22.1286470790790; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.188.3 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:59:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.183] In-Reply-To: <4CAD9F85.5000005@gmail.com> References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4CAD40C7.5080908@gmail.com> <4CAD9F85.5000005@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:59:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Gonzalo Nemmi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:59:51 -0000 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 03:23, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > Im saying what I already said. And yet, you haven't really addressed my core point. Consider the following scenario: I write a tutorial on how to use GCC (a program originally written in the US by a US citizen and stills recieves significant contributions from US citizens) to compile programs for targeting ICBM's. I burn my tutorial plus a copy of GCC to a CD and ship it to Supreme Leader Kim Jong-il's residence, then he sends me $50,000 cash in exchange. The GPL has no problems whatsoever with this (it never addresses exports, says there shall be no discrimination against certain fields of endeavor, and the added "services and support" sidestep any sales issues). Yet, do you really think this would be a-ok with customs? There are various laws that covered the situation, in addition to the license - for example, there are restrictions on transporting more than $9,999 worth of paper currency across the US border in a single transaction (even just to Canada). My point is that the US export restrictions apply to the Intel ACPI code, they apply to most of the GNU toolchain, they apply to work Yahoo has paid people to do, etc. FreeBSD, like it or not, is largely under the jurisdiction of US export law. You are saying that there should be a disclaimer telling people to "watch out for this one. Ask your lawyer about it's terms and conditions." People shouldn't be watching out for a particular license, but rather the broader implications of distributing stuff internationally, which, due to cold-war era laws, can involve a significant prison sentence if done wrong. If you are interested in adding a disclaimer, consider the following one from Red Hat's legal department, which covers the *entire* distribution: By clicking on and downloading Fedora, you agree to comply with the following terms and conditions: Fedora software and technical information is subject to the U.S. Export Administration Regulations and other U.S. and foreign law, and may not be exported or re-exported to certain countries (currently Cuba, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria) or to persons or entities prohibited from receiving U.S. exports (including those (a) on the Bureau of Industry and Security Denied Parties List or Entity List, (b) on the Office of Foreign Assets Control list of Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons, and (c) involved with missile technology or nuclear, chemical or biological weapons). You may not download Fedora software or technical information if you are located in one of these countries, or otherwise affected by these restrictions. You may not provide Fedora software or technical information to individuals or entities located in one of these countries or otherwise affected by these restrictions. You are also responsible for compliance with foreign law requirements applicable to the import and use of Fedora software and technical information. Perhaps there are loopholes (I export to Canada, then a Canadian exports to somewhere else) but this doesn't change the situation for people in the US, like the OP. You are talking about reviewing the licenses, but exporting is also matter of criminal law. If I consulted a lawyer about doing such an export, it is reasonable to expect that they would bring this up, rather than just summarize license terms on a one-off basis. -- Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 17:03:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0941065792 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Received: from shell.msen.com (msen.com [148.59.86.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC4C8FC14 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:03:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Sent-To: Received: from [192.168.1.111] (c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [68.40.255.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.msen.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o97GoTOm083720 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:50:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Message-ID: <4CADFA53.2060207@msen.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:50:27 -0400 From: Mark Moellering User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; envelope-from= Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; helo=[192.168.1.111] X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: shell.msen.com; Sender-ip: 68.40.255.141; Sender-helo: [192.168.1.111]; ) Subject: Help with RealTek 8201 / rlphy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:03:43 -0000 I am installing FreeBSD 8.1 on an MSI wind notebook, which has a RealTek 8201 wireless chip. The kernel acknowledges the chip as rlphy0 on mii but I have no idea of how to actually configure it. It shows up as miibus/rlphy in kldstat and as dev.rlphy.0 It does not show up under ifconfig Thanks in advance Mark Moellering From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 17:09:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A9F106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from indexer@internode.on.net) Received: from mail.internode.on.net (bld-mail13.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8043D8FC16 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.20.0.111] (unverified [203.122.251.29]) by mail.internode.on.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 42011231-1927428 for multiple; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 03:39:05 +1030 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r From: Indexer In-Reply-To: <2142474853.75664.1286469563186.JavaMail.root@mrelmx10.mrec.ar> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 03:38:59 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <81962BF4-22B6-40A1-9610-908EFE981484@internode.on.net> References: <2142474853.75664.1286469563186.JavaMail.root@mrelmx10.mrec.ar> To: Kevin Mai X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.2.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: Jason , Dan Nelson , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: LDAP Authentication from console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:09:08 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/10/2010, at 3:09 AM, Kevin Mai wrote: > Didn't receive all the emails, thank god this maillist is indexed! ;) Very handy isnt it :) Now, about you problem. Remove the line "auth sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn" = and "account required /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so = no_warn ignore_authinfo_unavail ignore_unknown_user" from the login = file. The login file includes system, so you only need to modify that. In system make your file look like this =95 # =95 # $FreeBSD: src/etc/pam.d/system,v 1.1.30.1 2009/04/15 = 03:14:26 kensmith Exp $ =95 # =95 # System-wide defaults =95 # =95 =20 =95 =20 =95 # auth =95 auth sufficient pam_opie.so = no_warn no_fake_prompts =95 auth requisite pam_opieaccess.so = no_warn allow_local =95 #auth sufficient pam_krb5.so = no_warn try_first_pass =95 #auth sufficient pam_ssh.so = no_warn try_first_pass auth sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn =95 auth required pam_unix.so = no_warn try_first_pass nullok =95 =20 =95 # account =95 #account required pam_krb5.so =95 account required pam_login_access.so account required /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so = no_warn ignore_authinfo_unavail ignore_unknown_user =95 account required pam_unix.so =95 =20 =95 # session =95 #session optional pam_ssh.so session required pam_permit.so =95 session required pam_lastlog.so = no_fail =95 =20 =95 # password =95 #password sufficient pam_krb5.so = no_warn try_first_pass =95 password required pam_unix.so = no_warn try_first_pass I have added 3 lines, they do not have a . preceding them Now, after that, copy the system file to sshd. THEY SHOULD BE THE EXACT = SAME. As it currently stands, Your ldap user can ssh into your server, = but module order in pam is VERY important.=20 BACKUP YOUR PAM.D DIRECTORY BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING. pam is very touchy, = and the slightest mistake it will just panic, and throw up its hands in = defeat. Remember when doing this, that you should hold a root terminal open, to = edit these files. open a second terminal and test the following 1) You can ssh in as a user in the unix files (root for example if your = ssh is setup for this, else an account you have created) 2) That your ldap user can login 3) That your file user can sudo correctly 4) That your ldap user can sudo correctly. 5) That your user in files can login at a console 6) That your ldap user can login at a console. Now, have a rescue CD handy, or remember how to single user mode freebsd = if worst comes to worse (hint: press 4 at the boot loader menu, then hit = enter, and mount -a the disks to gain access to /usr etc. from there fix = your pam and reboot) If any of these do not work, especially, the sshd logins, then reset = your pam.d files. You DO run the risk of locking yourself out of your = own server, and i have done this to myself many times.=20 Hopefully, this helps you get under way, and your users authenticating = properly.=20 Sincerely William Brown pgp.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJMrf6vAAoJEHF16AnLoz6JFI8P/2WOrhfK/9O4w0EQw+Ksw3z2 icBlz7iAZBbgobWRC/3QJTxd3b5L4yIlSUt6kMHKSPoKfG2uDv6XtIuL6OBDvKc0 px7BbtjGQXP9QjOOzDFxxR4pH5Mbp+wO7XI4GGz9CjRjCZh6vG4zcQTejbqBnIUF e+zx1CY0andlMdTIBj012SIzsi+qoq2i6W+4/XcM4cODcamwGdH2764mkieGRDa6 cbwsfVBkNyQpQQJaGJDgPlyA7s5EpS5Nzydh4qHOwykfJgwV8cmSbZIdrgTwSFwU 9HMZZfbmdt3cYIawWVMuHGTf8QVOsTFD9g619hyMgetRdCGBnmdPjbI8pYSC0MUY nul2JEg9skzwoxgoyi2AmIzafe4AvSZ+4+CMs4MxNbtx/1Gb/GUq5oYldXm1dtkb 9ZTLyQ28+zBJJKKWpNL0RSAZJYGXu9MP2B/VWX9LULIcDGBksiNYTmSoEnAsqrSS Rys9prXlyK7W972WEYssaCMcs90Pcs1c7OqpHmcTjY/+u7YB9xJVcxxHS99Z6Q5z BWESgYoQHjJKQfpv4agFKGMNcH9mWSC05HhqTz6UtKJHNcG5mq+LFTrNJDBPq9Dk oxfGP5rlvkJR2Qw6rNRxNxTuJwkiWYpALPZom0FoI+3pcP4256ipKDa9yqdbhbQk N+zUpSQ07jjVdn/IhgOf =3DlXpn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 17:19:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938C5106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6175B8FC25 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so38946pxi.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fqzX2Eqi9limFTUV1vPlQChK10Nm9NbwNbNyu7lPzd4=; b=OD4cb3gSDhQeaSIl5ScUirYBZ9rRHqziTSfTGK3hs/+8IYhkJGS+Dbg//mIJ/HxSHU xlrE/D6QDv3zb7rwrhmTRW4PSYdJflRpNRdh08WUvO58tU/6xZ3vZhoUmIBuj3q50TL4 dEOzTN2BMaaWXxunxCqthDZ9LzBhG/Q1+ZJXI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hf81IYgoLDqlt9ypTFCG6U7HK53uFIkLx7ZkW1HqjcWUfZMP83LoU3gUO9DKSdNm84 uDwYzqYzYGQ94Kxwq5Cb/L/TyGixLobzUmcyu13KSCfolKgYg8qBXnOJhBIRvy2QpVKZ RNdhgdL/FOMhJG6cbla77eDuXqHae8kt9tyug= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.47.7 with SMTP id u7mr890729wfu.46.1286471985806; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.183.65 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4CAD40C7.5080908@gmail.com> <4CAD9F85.5000005@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:19:45 +0200 Message-ID: From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:19:46 -0000 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Rob Farmer wrote= : > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 03:23, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: >> Im saying what I already said. > > And yet, you haven't really addressed my core point. > ... > > My point is ... If you have a point, then there=B4s no point in me addressing your point .. unless you are asking me for legal advice .. Should that be the case, just let me know; I charge by the hour .. no "pro bono". > ... > People shouldn't be > watching out for a particular license, but rather the broader > implications of distributing stuff internationally Usually, the implications of distributing stuff internationally have a really strict realation with "what is exactly what you want to export?" ... which in this case, leads you straight into the reading of the terms of the licenses of the software subject to international distribution. > ... > > By clicking on and downloading Fedora, you agree to comply with the > following terms and conditions: > > Fedora software and technical information is subject to the U.S. > ... Plase, get in touch with Fedora=B4a legal advisors. They=B4ll be able to ask every question and legal concern you may have about their operation. > ... > If I consulted > a lawyer about doing such an export, it is reasonable to expect that > they would bring this up, rather than just summarize license terms on > a one-off basis. > By all mean, feel free to get in touch with your lawyer and ask him everything you would like to know. Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 17:22:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61067106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2788FC0C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so40305pxi.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:22:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=IRHNLODCS4ao+sNI9S6f/8T78H/hTdcmbOfoLAM5MMQ=; b=EUEU+xVEpk7sP3yKzYqUKwe0X5rMRrKNB/EY3qUv+WqFCbDcBiOapzgKueWqSMqFTt k84MZBUTyMiWSKxPUB7AqWFkzN2Hql4f0UWJh7uPMIfYVKO3evnQbpvSgX9kFprH/E2Z gcQmKWcvQa49vAWJZ1fHA/WWH1I7vHUnnmgLU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=NHxbT2JvF2XJFc9G8NYnFDjGfFeSOs/dPEGLFuwdAjePBcjfUuncoPimddsnxa2JSc 5nmfmz08mvdWSOX4w0S9evE44LWxWWnHEwqan1vtn9OKEWSZVvSH+YXlBzwzzQm/iylo c86m03KSIgmiAL1+jgXda4cyJf+I+zO9ps+3o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.61.38 with SMTP id j38mr859190wfa.344.1286472142720; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.187.194 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:22:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:22:22 +0000 Message-ID: From: Paul B Mahol To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:22:23 -0000 On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: >> Looks like you cant associate at all. >> Also signal power is too low. >> >> Why is INT (beacon interval of AP) 102 ? > > These are the defaults - I have no idea what these numbers mean. What > should/could I be changing? I doubt that AP have capatibility to change that. Anyway maybe you could associate if your txpower is big enough... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 17:29:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7BE106566B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:29:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136F48FC18 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so92497fxm.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:29:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=WGZ7/MdqCKt1BblgDaOJPQcFjkmU14aefz5UNT2BpdE=; b=GSbXHQfI4JSi6V1j01mZYhmh1v6EWnncJ1m+ZQuOZOUK8KBR05kvOrjPSF1Mczl+lS f6b+UyZyu3wREWwgyQUj2YKaXliUegrC4UI3qaozBCZ8KoZC/1/mjmKVnEmc/hGCYwez ShbwjCCmX4tU5BM7RJ7cvnWqy08jzjGRd9l34= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=I5KfXoedIAPFNIAUIn2U+BAxtR8s7DnedXFJ6he4prHHqzFIMS5UNT8RJIBPxBK5jQ HWcyo3AABSlnWa7TISLmE/i3xKrLaIX/sQ0YkJ9uORejN8USj4DiXtGh2G4IK/Tjvw3E /WVp6Kzz+DzlShyRWfGO8C/sXeqUadyObrh+A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.106.8 with SMTP id v8mr1558840fao.42.1286472586932; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.107.130 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:29:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4CAD40C7.5080908@gmail.com> <4CAD9F85.5000005@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:29:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Gonzalo Nemmi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:29:48 -0000 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Rob Farmer > wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 03:23, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > >> Im saying what I already said. > > > > And yet, you haven't really addressed my core point. > > ... > > > > My point is ... > > If you have a point, then there=B4s no point in me addressing your point > .. unless you are asking me for legal advice .. > Should that be the case, just let me know; I charge by the hour .. no > "pro bono". > Funny how you say you have a point, but you can't validate it or even articulate it when challenged. Acting like you had a legal opinion on something earlier, then playing those games makes you a troll. Please drum up business elsewhere. --=20 Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 17:41:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15B81065675 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1AB8FC12 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so48352pxi.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:41:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iTgGNKT2+eYeMRbm6Eh1o/DJLzLx5gYgd2ciAsjT4zU=; b=e0hEfACVeYfVC/JTw4lexd52aG/CnzAKUHP6uQhShV1eYO+8dh0FQdz+AYzzB/Yinh KKgP9lWN/PPW1xApUUE0yd5ciEB3t03OQ/uik0jPBO0AlXVmRpp3UedEYUIvlkhSWVPU 7E2Nlv24EjLR7qrDbIbkqleMAsVGN9ybhdeX8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ngKrmWPwjFfPrYnfdnxOnQzWrx/yJQReBATBCzAb0vbPOtHkGIls5Clis0u6ECcXSJ 7PEK1+0zKIEstHZ4F9FPBHapETsQLso3UqntvwVIfqTRCj13202T6wdRynTofkdgjVPP e15S1w+hHJTjBD2VdTL+s7z60OPzFAnQhUVFg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.109.8 with SMTP id h8mr1248843wac.135.1286473298856; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.183.65 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:41:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4CAD40C7.5080908@gmail.com> <4CAD9F85.5000005@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:41:38 +0200 Message-ID: From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:41:39 -0000 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Adam Vande More wro= te: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Rob Farmer >> wrote: >> > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 03:23, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: >> >> Im saying what I already said. >> > >> > And yet, you haven't really addressed my core point. >> > ... >> > >> > My point is =A0... >> >> If you have a point, then there=B4s no point in me addressing your point >> .. unless you are asking me for legal advice .. >> Should that be the case, just let me know; I charge by the hour .. no >> "pro bono". > > Funny how you say you have a point, but you can't validate it or even > articulate it when challenged.=A0 Acting like you had a legal opinion on > something earlier, then playing those games makes you a troll.=A0 Please = drum > up business elsewhere. Actually my point was that Randal was right about Theo=B4s point .. whether I want or like to validate it according to your or Rob=B4s needs is not my problem .. it=B4s yours. I don=B4t _have_to_ validate a thing only because you want me too. I actually _meant_ not to validate them, and did that on pourpose. And BTW, I never drummed up any business .. I kept answering Rob=B4s questions until I wanted to. If he/you want some more, go find them some place else. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 17:43:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C51F1065670 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joe@netmusician.org) Received: from mail.netmusician.org (dorian.netmusician.org [66.244.95.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4AC8FC12 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.netmusician.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17125B8FE for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:26:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netmusician.org Received: from mail.netmusician.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dorian.netmusician.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id VrRvXpiTo+zI for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Shakti.local (c-67-176-145-181.hsd1.in.comcast.net [67.176.145.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.netmusician.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84259B8BE for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:26:03 -0400 From: Joe Auty User-Agent: Postbox 2.0.0 (Macintosh/20100928) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: newsyslog.conf and Apache log files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:43:20 -0000 Hello, I have the following entry for dealing with my Apache log files: /var/log/httpd/* 644 2 * $M1D0 GBJ /var/run/httpd.pid 30 Unfortunately, this has created these big long log files such as the following: httpderror_log.2.bz2.2.bz2.2.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.0.bz2 How can I prevent these dumb log file names from being created? -- Joe Auty, NetMusician NetMusician helps musicians, bands and artists create beautiful, professional, custom designed, career-essential websites that are easy to maintain and to integrate with popular social networks. www.netmusician.org joe@netmusician.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 17:46:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B871065670 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9A08FC14 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7so46552pzk.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:46:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.47.12 with SMTP id u12mr922442wfu.47.1286473583079; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.188.3 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.183] In-Reply-To: References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4CAD40C7.5080908@gmail.com> <4CAD9F85.5000005@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:46:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Gonzalo Nemmi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:46:23 -0000 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:19, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > If you have a point, then there=B4s no point in me addressing your point > .. unless you are asking me for legal advice .. > Should that be the case, just let me know; I charge by the hour .. no > "pro bono". Seeing as your messages says things like "El 07/10/2010" and "Rob Farmer escribi=F3" and you seem unwilling to actually talk about US law, I'm curious to know where you attended law school and what states you are licensed to practice in, since you seem to be offering paid professional services. -- Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 18:13:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E8B106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060918FC1A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P3uxp-00079a-3p for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:13:09 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:13:09 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:13:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:17:45 -0400 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3.0.1.32.20101007081311.00edf500@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Captcha image does not load X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:13:10 -0000 Jack L. Stone wrote: > Folks: > > Please bear with me on this one. Am using FBSD-7.0p9 and PHP52. > > Have been using a Captcha protection against robots for a download section > of the server. It worked just fine since installed for a couple of years, > even with prior versions of PHP5. However, the captcha suddenly stopped > loading the initial image and required multiple clicks (variable times at > that) to get it to load an image that could be used by the customer. Just > shows the little "x" as broken link to image. Nothing tried has solved the > issue. Had to add text telling people to keep clicking if an image is not > seen. > > Anyone seen this and have any suggestions on how to fix other than finding > a different captcha script?. > I was having a similar problem and it involved php52-gd not working. I moved the following two lines to the end of my php.ini and it started working. I think it was having pdf.so load afterward is what did it. extension=gd.so extension=pdf.so -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 18:25:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344DB10656C1 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3098FC15 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31090 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2010 18:25:52 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Oct 2010 18:25:52 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 7708B5083A; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:25:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Joe Auty References: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:25:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> (Joe Auty's message of "Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:26:03 -0400") Message-ID: <4439sh507l.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newsyslog.conf and Apache log files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:25:53 -0000 Joe Auty writes: > Hello, > > I have the following entry for dealing with my Apache log files: > > /var/log/httpd/* 644 2 * $M1D0 GBJ > /var/run/httpd.pid 30 > > > Unfortunately, this has created these big long log files such as the > following: > > httpderror_log.2.bz2.2.bz2.2.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.0.bz2 > > How can I prevent these dumb log file names from being created? Don't use wildcards in newsyslog.conf. What's happening is "httperror_log.2.bz2" gets rotated into "httperror_log.2.baz2.1.bz2", because it matches the filename glob you specified. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 18:29:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B143D1065672 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834708FC27 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21682 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2010 18:29:19 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Oct 2010 18:29:19 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id BDCCB5083A; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:29:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Phan Quoc Hien References: <1286463446.8004.5.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> <0B26C158-127F-45AD-B2F3-D287F222AB91@cwis.biz> <72172F50-1BC8-42CC-AE55-5BF83CC1867C@cwis.biz> <4A031AD6-9E27-48E0-90F5-D1B6C3A892DF@cwis.biz> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:29:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Phan Quoc Hien's message of "Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:57:51 +0700") Message-ID: <44y6a93lhd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Craig Butler , Ryan Coleman , ale@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can not install ZendOptimizer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:29:20 -0000 > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> Phan, >> >> The solution looks like install PHP 5.2 (/usr/ports/lang/php52) and then >> install /usr/ports/devel/ZendOptimizer. >> Phan Quoc Hien writes: > Yes, Thank Ryan. But it's not clearly solution. The reason it is a little unclear is that the port warns you about the problem, but the warning sounds like all of 5.x is incompatible with ZendOptimizer (when 5.2 is actually fine). I spent a few minutes looking at the port, but I couldn't come up with a quick fix for the error message. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 18:42:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950CF106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:42:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lokadamus@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E36928FC15 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Oct 2010 18:42:20 -0000 Received: from d038141.adsl.hansenet.de (EHLO [80.171.38.141]) [80.171.38.141] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 07 Oct 2010 20:42:20 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3333826 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+L2ZAK236LvZPE9/ItLGS6MOC+Bj5sVbgjBz6H+D Pd1WlA8nHV7QsK Message-ID: <4CAE1488.4090503@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:42:16 +0200 From: Lokadamus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CADFA53.2060207@msen.com> In-Reply-To: <4CADFA53.2060207@msen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Help with RealTek 8201 / rlphy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:42:22 -0000 Am 07.10.2010 18:50, schrieb Mark Moellering: > I am installing FreeBSD 8.1 on an MSI wind notebook, which has a > RealTek 8201 wireless chip. The kernel acknowledges the chip as > rlphy0 on mii but I have no idea of how to actually configure it. > It shows up as miibus/rlphy in kldstat and as dev.rlphy.0 > It does not show up under ifconfig > > Thanks in advance > > Mark Moellering > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Have you read this? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-wireless.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 19:12:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A9F10656A7 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Received: from shell.msen.com (msen.com [148.59.86.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B909D8FC1B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:12:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Sent-To: Received: from [192.168.1.111] (c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [68.40.255.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.msen.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o97JC2Cs017836 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:12:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Message-ID: <4CAE1B80.3050905@msen.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:12:00 -0400 From: Mark Moellering User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CADFA53.2060207@msen.com> <4CAE1488.4090503@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4CAE1488.4090503@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; envelope-from= Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; helo=[192.168.1.111] X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: shell.msen.com; Sender-ip: 68.40.255.141; Sender-helo: [192.168.1.111]; ) Subject: Re: Help with RealTek 8201 / rlphy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:12:04 -0000 On 07-Oct-10 2:42 PM, Lokadamus wrote: > Am 07.10.2010 18:50, schrieb Mark Moellering: >> I am installing FreeBSD 8.1 on an MSI wind notebook, which has a >> RealTek 8201 wireless chip. The kernel acknowledges the chip as >> rlphy0 on mii but I have no idea of how to actually configure it. >> It shows up as miibus/rlphy in kldstat and as dev.rlphy.0 >> It does not show up under ifconfig >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Mark Moellering >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > Have you read this? > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-wireless.html I have. I have no problem setting up wireless interfaces on other computers where there is a known/accepted driver and an ifconfig entry. If I try and create the wlan0 device using "# ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev rlphy0" I get the following # ifconfig : SIOCIFCREATE2: Device not configured I have read through a variety of man pages and I can't figure out how to tell ifconfig there is a device rlphy0 which attaches to sysctl - dev.rlphy.0 I have found an entry under the miibus man: A generic driver has been included for all PHYs that are not handled by a specific driver, this is possible because all 10/100 PHYs implement the same general register set along with their vendor spe- cific register set. but I can find no info on how to use that driver or get it to show up under ifconfig. If I list all interfaces under ifconfig, I just get re0 and lo0 Thanks for the reply. Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 19:24:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01290106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:24:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lokadamus@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F4D68FC14 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Oct 2010 19:24:35 -0000 Received: from d038141.adsl.hansenet.de (EHLO [80.171.38.141]) [80.171.38.141] by mail.gmx.net (mp051) with SMTP; 07 Oct 2010 21:24:35 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3333826 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+jdsE1LiOjGnDyd4v8KASll1s+1Ikomet9vDyBgL faa6LV6TkzQXPY Message-ID: <4CAE1E74.2090802@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:24:36 +0200 From: Lokadamus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CADFA53.2060207@msen.com> <4CAE1488.4090503@gmx.de> <4CAE1B80.3050905@msen.com> In-Reply-To: <4CAE1B80.3050905@msen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Help with RealTek 8201 / rlphy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:24:37 -0000 Am 07.10.2010 21:12, schrieb Mark Moellering: > On 07-Oct-10 2:42 PM, Lokadamus wrote: >> Am 07.10.2010 18:50, schrieb Mark Moellering: >>> I am installing FreeBSD 8.1 on an MSI wind notebook, which has a >>> RealTek 8201 wireless chip. The kernel acknowledges the chip as >>> rlphy0 on mii but I have no idea of how to actually configure it. >>> It shows up as miibus/rlphy in kldstat and as dev.rlphy.0 >>> It does not show up under ifconfig >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> Mark Moellering >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> Have you read this? >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-wireless.html > I have. I have no problem setting up wireless interfaces on other > computers where there is a known/accepted driver and an ifconfig entry. > > If I try and create the wlan0 device using "# ifconfig wlan0 create > wlandev rlphy0" I get the following > # ifconfig : SIOCIFCREATE2: Device not configured > > I have read through a variety of man pages and I can't figure out how > to tell ifconfig there is a device rlphy0 which attaches to sysctl - > dev.rlphy.0 > > I have found an entry under the miibus man: > > A generic driver has been included for all PHYs that > are not handled by a specific driver, this is possible because > all 10/100 > PHYs implement the same general register set along with their > vendor spe- > cific register set. > > but I can find no info on how to use that driver or get it to show up > under ifconfig. If I list all interfaces under ifconfig, I just get > re0 and lo0 > > Thanks for the reply. > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Help this? http://www.listware.net/201008/freebsd-questions/56703-re-realtek-81398201l-ethernet-phy-driver.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 19:30:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5F41065670 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:30:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from viper@fx-services.com) Received: from monsoon.fx-services.com (monsoon.fx-services.com [62.20.50.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D308FC23 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 212-107-148-22.customers.ownit.se ([212.107.148.22] helo=hurricane.sto.fxs) by monsoon.fx-services.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1P3vuS-0003Tp-BX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:13:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4CAE1BE3.4080406@fx-services.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:13:39 +0200 From: Robin Vleij User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> In-Reply-To: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Mail is Virus Free, Monsoon MailGateway Subject: Re: newsyslog.conf and Apache log files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:30:07 -0000 On 10/7/10 7:26 PM, Joe Auty wrote: Hi Joe, > Unfortunately, this has created these big long log files such as the > following: > > httpderror_log.2.bz2.2.bz2.2.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.0.bz2 > > How can I prevent these dumb log file names from being created? Like Lowell wrote, don't use wildcards in newsyslog.conf. :-) I just react to this, because I spent quite some time after a storage change on why my machine was hanging at bootup on the newsyslog "trimming and creating logfiles" line. There was no good Google result that pointed me in the direction, hence my post now. In my case I made the same mistake as you on my Asterisk logfiles (which also don't have any extention). So after troubleshooting NFS and filesystem problems, I ran truss on newsyslog and found out about the nice tree newsyslog had built on my Asterisk logfiles. It wasn't hanging afterall, it was quite busy. :-) I just wrote three lines with the three filenames I wanted to rotate and since then it's fine. /Robin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 19:31:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974F8106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:31:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joe@netmusician.org) Received: from mail.netmusician.org (dorian.netmusician.org [66.244.95.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7AD8FC1A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.netmusician.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27880B8C1; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:31:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netmusician.org Received: from mail.netmusician.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dorian.netmusician.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id hStWFNwtUbVv; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Shakti.local (c-67-176-145-181.hsd1.in.comcast.net [67.176.145.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.netmusician.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5818CB8FA; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4CAE200F.9070202@netmusician.org> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:31:27 -0400 From: Joe Auty User-Agent: Postbox 2.0.0 (Macintosh/20100928) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lowell Gilbert References: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> <4439sh507l.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <4439sh507l.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newsyslog.conf and Apache log files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:31:38 -0000 Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Joe Auty writes: > >> Hello, >> >> I have the following entry for dealing with my Apache log files: >> >> /var/log/httpd/* 644 2 * $M1D0 GBJ >> /var/run/httpd.pid 30 >> >> >> Unfortunately, this has created these big long log files such as the >> following: >> >> httpderror_log.2.bz2.2.bz2.2.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.0.bz2 >> >> How can I prevent these dumb log file names from being created? > > Don't use wildcards in newsyslog.conf. > > What's happening is "httperror_log.2.bz2" gets rotated into > "httperror_log.2.baz2.1.bz2", because it matches the filename > glob you specified. Aha! That makes sense... What alternatives are there then so that I don't have to type in log file paths for each of my virtually hosted domains? How about: /var/log/httpd/*_log would this work? -- Joe Auty, NetMusician NetMusician helps musicians, bands and artists create beautiful, professional, custom designed, career-essential websites that are easy to maintain and to integrate with popular social networks. www.netmusician.org joe@netmusician.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 20:08:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081B6106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:08:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C358FC13 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2010 16:08:25 -0400 Received: from mx04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (mx04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.54]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.1.9-GA) with ESMTP id AQQ23050; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:08:25 -0400 Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2010 16:08:24 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19630.10423.657252.744311@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:08:23 -0400 To: Joe Auty In-Reply-To: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> References: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: newsyslog.conf and Apache log files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:08:27 -0000 Joe Auty writes: > I have the following entry for dealing with my Apache log files: > > /var/log/httpd/* 644 2 * $M1D0 GBJ > /var/run/httpd.pid 30 > > Unfortunately, this has created these big long log files such as the > following: > > httpderror_log.2.bz2.2.bz2.2.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.0.bz2 > > How can I prevent these dumb log file names from being created? My advice would be to not use syslog. It's bee a while since I fixed this problen, but I remember reading Apache has ... issues ... with rotating logs using syslog/newsyslog. Instead I use sysutils/cronolog with: ErrorLog "|/usr/local/sbin/cronolog /var/log/httpd-errors.%Y-%m.log" TransferLog "|/usr/local/sbin/cronolog /var/log/httpd-access.%Y-%m.log" in httpd.conf. This gets me: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11504 Dec 28 2009 httpd-access.2009-12.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6380 Feb 3 2010 httpd-access.2010-02.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1390 Mar 11 2010 httpd-access.2010-03.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1439 Apr 23 16:06 httpd-access.2010-04.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 904451 May 30 10:52 httpd-access.2010-05.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20279 Jun 29 12:29 httpd-access.2010-06.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1586153 Jul 28 07:50 httpd-access.2010-07.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 164305 Aug 31 18:51 httpd-access.2010-08.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 14294 Sep 9 08:19 httpd-access.2010-09.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3093989 Sep 9 08:19 httpd-access.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 71655 Oct 7 2009 httpd-error.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 root wheel 3574 Oct 7 2009 httpd-errors.2009-10.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1827 Nov 30 2009 httpd-errors.2009-11.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1827 Jan 17 2010 httpd-errors.2010-01.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5027 Feb 3 2010 httpd-errors.2010-02.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 10562 Mar 25 2010 httpd-errors.2010-03.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5471 Apr 23 16:05 httpd-errors.2010-04.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 332035 May 30 10:52 httpd-errors.2010-05.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 10817 Jun 29 12:29 httpd-errors.2010-06.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 569109 Jul 28 07:50 httpd-errors.2010-07.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 59928 Aug 31 18:51 httpd-errors.2010-08.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5198 Sep 9 08:19 httpd-errors.2010-09.log in /var/log. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 20:12:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FC81065672; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amsibamsi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C32E8FC12; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy27 with SMTP id 27so4593ewy.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:12:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=INR+Y2YEmc9cCJIGNa9ifcIp1wF8JJvHBJ02qa+d3x8=; b=ARnhUM1BMEwyze8dGB8b6f/n/FMDMbwtoPIlkhUUL8QVuiL+DJMrFspQWuKft0o2rU EwAKLKwGuNOE7QiRgHY0gp+oQG2Uogi/sU9RqZ+WKhEM98+ewhmRE80MX8y1VASHyrc6 fij6cE5Xyo7ZhSFYzaqaaZQkXcHZrIQtkZ8F0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=GNVY6kv21Qj6Af4DVHKZaZSz/PDkn86bkOEpiMXPuXnw19S8GS3RYAyG03KQEhwJaz k2LPsXtHWMZLtgASxIA+ZeUMF69aLGOTaDE9Zv8TRfVJwj/zmC3ojkKtyBlXWTLqaojF XW2qSMtx1SOe4z6I1Om3trE4zxWoPK0C8Ye5w= Received: by 10.213.30.1 with SMTP id s1mr1971382ebc.57.1286482365408; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hulk.l.ttyv0.net (80-219-18-72.dclient.hispeed.ch [80.219.18.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u3sm201126eeh.7.2010.10.07.13.12.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CAE29B8.8010304@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:12:40 +0200 From: Anselm Strauss User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20101006 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Petter Selasky References: <4CA3B8F5.80904@gmail.com> <201009302138.51616.hselasky@c2i.net> <4CA72917.8060209@gmail.com> <201010021639.11568.hselasky@c2i.net> In-Reply-To: <201010021639.11568.hselasky@c2i.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB disk on CS5536 unstable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:12:47 -0000 On 10/02/10 16:39, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On Saturday 02 October 2010 14:44:07 Anselm Strauss wrote: >> On 09/30/10 21:38, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: >>> On Thursday 30 September 2010 21:10:59 Anselm Strauss wrote: >>>> Maybe sending it to just the USB list was too specific ... >>>> >>>> On 09/30/10 00:08, Anselm Strauss wrote: >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> I have an ALIX board that has an AMD Geode and the CS5536 companion >>>>> chip with integrated USB on it. When I connect a USB disk I have >>>>> observed various problems. For example when I run fsck_ufs on a 250 GB >>>>> partition the process gets stuck in biord state and fsck reports >>>>> unreadable sectors. When I do a dd over the whole disk and direct it >>>>> to /dev/null it suddenly returns with no error, but having read only a >>>>> small fraction of the disk. I tried it with two different disks and >>>>> two different ALIX boards. I'm pretty sure the disks are okay since I >>>>> tried them on other hardware. >>>>> >>>>> As far as I know there was some trouble with the chip regarding >>>>> timeouts. Under load after some time the USB just stops responding. I >>>>> have tried 8.0 and 8.1. Is there any known problem? How can I track >>>>> this down? >>>>> >>>>> Anselm >>> >>> If you compile the kernel with USB_DEBUG, then there are some sysctls >>> under hw.usb.ehci which you can tweak. Needs to be set before boot. >>> >>> --HPS >> >> Did not know that there were configurable bug workarounds in sysctl. >> When I set hw.usb.ehci.lostintrbug=1 in /boot/loader.conf the problems >> seem gone. >> >> Without this setting I got the following kernel message when dd did abort: >> >> ehci_timeout: xfer=0xc29cd3c8 >> >> >> Thanks, >> Anselm > > Maybe you can report the PCI vendor ID and product so that we can add this > quirk. > > --HPS Not sure what a "PCI vendor ID" is and how to determine it. It's a ALIX 2d2 from http://pcengines.ch/alix. Anselm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 20:20:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2B11065673 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:20:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amsibamsi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B328FC1A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so618115wyb.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uG4ALlrp9Sfm6zaT9wTSamVEjS5Yv410thxNWZ+pW74=; b=jfz02SQ7lv3WewgiYl3aHSdcYha76RXLJ7NdU7mlWqUIT2hsiIbOMWLP565LFSoOjj DFMdNASwqM+VkH7DATyPfaZbGq8sNqVDwDI7f3vwbWC/sfsFKeRZmiqUV3H/k0nI7BUB szQ+y0xHjzow6thvmM1Jtmejjkp/7c+6xhcI8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=KnBKvNaAbufrribB38VfjBYuwYlscJEza229ZlaZhYaPpVK7skw9dxP7qe1k9gyyVm L/tDWaeiai0Z4w281sz9cp/T/Hr5UbnAfaWcXc/zPY+UKsFG/k5iQv98lhjcbKllPby1 /oj8VHIIKAq6FLsLr6yEAzU7uB8GAP+h+NKhI= Received: by 10.227.127.130 with SMTP id g2mr1401984wbs.67.1286482844653; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hulk.l.ttyv0.net (80-219-18-72.dclient.hispeed.ch [80.219.18.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f14sm715347wbe.2.2010.10.07.13.20.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CAE2B99.7020804@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:20:41 +0200 From: Anselm Strauss User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20101006 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CA6FBC2.8080908@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Swap on ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:20:46 -0000 On 10/02/10 17:52, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Anselm Strauss wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I have a virtual server with only 512 MB of memory but still want to run >> ZFS on it. >> >> Has there been any fix or workaround for this? I guess it does not help >> when I use a swap file on ZFS instead of a separate zvol. >> > > Make sure you are following this: > http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot Please note swap is not a > ZVOL, it is a sepate partition. You'd have the same problem with ZVOL. > Also use i386, that will save you a bit of memory. Follow the ZFS tuning > guide. Even if you follow all those things, I'm not sure you'll be able to > get it stable. 512MB is really tight. > I now have the swap on a separate disk and it seems more stable. Although the server still has only 512 MB of RAM, runs on amd64 and I did no tuning. It's not a file server but compiling ports and running some services seems okay. I have seen multiple posts on the net where people put swap on ZFS. What sense does it make when every time the machine runs out of physical memory it freezes before it can allocate some swap memory. Does it only make sense in case you have additional non-ZFS swap? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 20:22:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8FE1065674; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:22:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amsibamsi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F438FC1F; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so619837wyb.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:22:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nf2XUz6JHsImx6QgZRcF7F2bn7xzVyJzr7f4lDNMwmA=; b=FZAI0mBVlKFpV2xSapKvuFolVpjkgeFpS7P7INxKFy97TnCQPKkVF4tH/5io2pfHj+ EpoLwf6e8+ZFOWisz5/q1Cx6WmYBi04UIl03jWryhdysFCAkf8wuGSLmiDM7DSrRBJAi /kFZ9FvMTaslOK7bXr9m5AHD78C2+nTcWVtXc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=oBin4wha7RGNyJY49hmlpAixmvCAWbjOGOSQeIAGz3uQCFqsoL6bo/nfKkM9mIlaIh UxxFiTXhDeZOo9IxiWsumxHe9fejiiQLOzWkVXXXgvGvIy3j5yTlc/Cz6ScvssrTY2bq eXJL9a262DHDnwXyNTv1iD+rmTkGNrFe51HTI= Received: by 10.227.127.193 with SMTP id h1mr1339823wbs.139.1286482925475; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hulk.l.ttyv0.net (80-219-18-72.dclient.hispeed.ch [80.219.18.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a17sm52692wbe.6.2010.10.07.13.22.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CAE2BEA.1020003@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:22:02 +0200 From: Anselm Strauss User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20101006 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Petter Selasky References: <4CA3B8F5.80904@gmail.com> <201009302138.51616.hselasky@c2i.net> <4CA72917.8060209@gmail.com> <201010021639.11568.hselasky@c2i.net> <4CAE29B8.8010304@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4CAE29B8.8010304@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB disk on CS5536 unstable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:22:07 -0000 On 10/07/10 22:12, Anselm Strauss wrote: > On 10/02/10 16:39, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: >> On Saturday 02 October 2010 14:44:07 Anselm Strauss wrote: >>> On 09/30/10 21:38, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: >>>> On Thursday 30 September 2010 21:10:59 Anselm Strauss wrote: >>>>> Maybe sending it to just the USB list was too specific ... >>>>> >>>>> On 09/30/10 00:08, Anselm Strauss wrote: >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> I have an ALIX board that has an AMD Geode and the CS5536 companion >>>>>> chip with integrated USB on it. When I connect a USB disk I have >>>>>> observed various problems. For example when I run fsck_ufs on a 250 GB >>>>>> partition the process gets stuck in biord state and fsck reports >>>>>> unreadable sectors. When I do a dd over the whole disk and direct it >>>>>> to /dev/null it suddenly returns with no error, but having read only a >>>>>> small fraction of the disk. I tried it with two different disks and >>>>>> two different ALIX boards. I'm pretty sure the disks are okay since I >>>>>> tried them on other hardware. >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as I know there was some trouble with the chip regarding >>>>>> timeouts. Under load after some time the USB just stops responding. I >>>>>> have tried 8.0 and 8.1. Is there any known problem? How can I track >>>>>> this down? >>>>>> >>>>>> Anselm >>>> >>>> If you compile the kernel with USB_DEBUG, then there are some sysctls >>>> under hw.usb.ehci which you can tweak. Needs to be set before boot. >>>> >>>> --HPS >>> >>> Did not know that there were configurable bug workarounds in sysctl. >>> When I set hw.usb.ehci.lostintrbug=1 in /boot/loader.conf the problems >>> seem gone. >>> >>> Without this setting I got the following kernel message when dd did abort: >>> >>> ehci_timeout: xfer=0xc29cd3c8 >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Anselm >> >> Maybe you can report the PCI vendor ID and product so that we can add this >> quirk. >> >> --HPS > > Not sure what a "PCI vendor ID" is and how to determine it. It's a ALIX > 2d2 from http://pcengines.ch/alix. > > Anselm Sorry, wrong URL: http://pcengines.ch/alix.htm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 20:32:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D321065674 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:32:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lowell@Be-Well.Ilk.Org) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DF68FC12 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 888 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2010 20:06:09 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Oct 2010 20:06:09 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id A312E5083B; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:06:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Joe Auty References: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> <4439sh507l.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <4CAE200F.9070202@netmusician.org> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:06:08 -0400 Message-ID: <44lj693gzz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newsyslog.conf and Apache log files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:32:50 -0000 Joe Auty writes: > Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> Joe Auty writes: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have the following entry for dealing with my Apache log files: >>> >>> /var/log/httpd/* 644 2 * $M1D0 GBJ >>> /var/run/httpd.pid 30 >>> >>> >>> Unfortunately, this has created these big long log files such as the >>> following: >>> >>> httpderror_log.2.bz2.2.bz2.2.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.0.bz2 >>> >>> How can I prevent these dumb log file names from being created? >> >> Don't use wildcards in newsyslog.conf. >> >> What's happening is "httperror_log.2.bz2" gets rotated into >> "httperror_log.2.baz2.1.bz2", because it matches the filename >> glob you specified. > > Aha! That makes sense... > > What alternatives are there then so that I don't have to type in log > file paths for each of my virtually hosted domains? How about: > > /var/log/httpd/*_log > > > would this work? I was going to say I didn't have time to figure it out, but it only took me a couple of minutes of looking at the source to be (*kind of*) sure that your suggestion *will* work. It shouldn't take more than ten minutes to try it out, anyway. If that doesn't work for you, you could always try generating the newsyslog.conf file from a script. Or try one of the several other logfile-rotating programs. But I think your idea should be good. Good luck. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 20:48:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CBB106566B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:48:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0110C8FC08 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy27 with SMTP id 27so27318ewy.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:48:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.31.203 with SMTP id z11mr863850ebc.88.1286484497747; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.29.76 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:48:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [64.81.163.112] In-Reply-To: <4439sh507l.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> <4439sh507l.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:48:17 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: Lowell Gilbert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Joe Auty , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newsyslog.conf and Apache log files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:48:19 -0000 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Joe Auty writes: > >> Hello, >> >> I have the following entry for dealing with my Apache log files: >> >> /var/log/httpd/* =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 644 =A02 =A0 =A0 * =A0$M1D0 GBJ >> /var/run/httpd.pid 30 >> >> >> Unfortunately, this has created these big long log files such as the >> following: >> >> httpderror_log.2.bz2.2.bz2.2.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.0.bz2 >> >> How can I prevent these dumb log file names from being created? > > Don't use wildcards in newsyslog.conf. > > What's happening is "httperror_log.2.bz2" gets rotated into > "httperror_log.2.baz2.1.bz2", because it matches the filename > glob you specified. One alternative might be to use newsyslog's -a option to put the archived logs in a separate directory, where the glob won't find them. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a way to define this on a per-file or per-directory basis, so it would apply to *all* your logs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 20:56:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2A51065673 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FA28FC14 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24533 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2010 20:56:34 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Oct 2010 20:56:33 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 13BDA50837; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:56:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Robert Huff References: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> <19630.10423.657252.744311@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:56:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: <19630.10423.657252.744311@jerusalem.litteratus.org> (Robert Huff's message of "Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:08:23 -0400") Message-ID: <44hbgx3enz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Joe Auty , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newsyslog.conf and Apache log files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:56:34 -0000 Robert Huff writes: > Joe Auty writes: > >> I have the following entry for dealing with my Apache log files: >> >> /var/log/httpd/* 644 2 * $M1D0 GBJ >> /var/run/httpd.pid 30 >> >> Unfortunately, this has created these big long log files such as the >> following: >> >> httpderror_log.2.bz2.2.bz2.2.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.0.bz2 >> >> How can I prevent these dumb log file names from being created? > > My advice would be to not use syslog. It's bee a while since I > fixed this problen, but I remember reading Apache has ... issues > ... with rotating logs using syslog/newsyslog. Those problems were a race condition between (Apache) closing the log file and (newsyslog) opening it to start compression. *How* the log rotation is done isn't really relevant (unless one sends the logs through pipes), but the only safe way is to shut down the server while the rotation is being done. You don't compress your logs, so it wouldn't affect you anyway. Joe does, so it could be an issue for him; the Apache documentation covers a number of options. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 20:59:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06753106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:59:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C428FC0A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 8568 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2010 20:59:07 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Oct 2010 20:59:07 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id D6A1150837; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:59:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Anselm Strauss References: <4CA3B8F5.80904@gmail.com> <201009302138.51616.hselasky@c2i.net> <4CA72917.8060209@gmail.com> <201010021639.11568.hselasky@c2i.net> <4CAE29B8.8010304@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:59:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4CAE29B8.8010304@gmail.com> (Anselm Strauss's message of "Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:12:40 +0200") Message-ID: <44bp753ejp.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org, Hans Petter Selasky Subject: Re: USB disk on CS5536 unstable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:59:09 -0000 Anselm Strauss writes: > On 10/02/10 16:39, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: >> On Saturday 02 October 2010 14:44:07 Anselm Strauss wrote: >>> On 09/30/10 21:38, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: >>>> On Thursday 30 September 2010 21:10:59 Anselm Strauss wrote: >>>>> Maybe sending it to just the USB list was too specific ... >>>>> >>>>> On 09/30/10 00:08, Anselm Strauss wrote: >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> I have an ALIX board that has an AMD Geode and the CS5536 companion >>>>>> chip with integrated USB on it. When I connect a USB disk I have >>>>>> observed various problems. For example when I run fsck_ufs on a 250 GB >>>>>> partition the process gets stuck in biord state and fsck reports >>>>>> unreadable sectors. When I do a dd over the whole disk and direct it >>>>>> to /dev/null it suddenly returns with no error, but having read only a >>>>>> small fraction of the disk. I tried it with two different disks and >>>>>> two different ALIX boards. I'm pretty sure the disks are okay since I >>>>>> tried them on other hardware. >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as I know there was some trouble with the chip regarding >>>>>> timeouts. Under load after some time the USB just stops responding. I >>>>>> have tried 8.0 and 8.1. Is there any known problem? How can I track >>>>>> this down? >>>>>> >>>>>> Anselm >>>> >>>> If you compile the kernel with USB_DEBUG, then there are some sysctls >>>> under hw.usb.ehci which you can tweak. Needs to be set before boot. >>>> >>>> --HPS >>> >>> Did not know that there were configurable bug workarounds in sysctl. >>> When I set hw.usb.ehci.lostintrbug=1 in /boot/loader.conf the problems >>> seem gone. >>> >>> Without this setting I got the following kernel message when dd did abort: >>> >>> ehci_timeout: xfer=0xc29cd3c8 >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Anselm >> >> Maybe you can report the PCI vendor ID and product so that we can add this >> quirk. >> >> --HPS > > Not sure what a "PCI vendor ID" is and how to determine it. It's a ALIX > 2d2 from http://pcengines.ch/alix. pciconf(8) will tell you. Try sending "pciconf -l" output. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 21:11:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAED106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:11:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECBF8FC0A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so390590iwn.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.167.196 with SMTP id r4mr1521990iby.29.1286485894861; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:11:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.166.77 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:11:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:11:14 +0000 Message-ID: To: Paul B Mahol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:11:36 -0000 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: >>> Looks like you cant associate at all. >>> Also signal power is too low. >>> >>> Why is INT (beacon interval of AP) 102 ? >> >> These are the defaults - I have no idea what these numbers mean. What >> should/could I be changing? > > I doubt that AP have capatibility to change that. > Anyway maybe you could associate if your txpower is big enough... > Sorry - I realized a brief portion of out conversation was done off-list. I just noticed that when I put in the ssid ifconfig seems to be cycling among multiple channels (1,5, 11,12,13 ,14 and maybe others). I'm not sure what this behavior means. What would the best way see why I can't connect be? I tried $ifconfig wlan0 txpower 50 but txpower stays at 30. Is this for sure a signal strength problem? it worked when I used ndis from the same location. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 21:14:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1280A106566B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D258A8FC27 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so393466iwn.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.30.134 with SMTP id u6mr1485717ibc.121.1286486041451; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:14:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.166.77 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:13:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:13:41 +0000 Message-ID: To: Paul B Mahol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:14:02 -0000 Sorry for the reply-to-self On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: >> On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: >>>> Looks like you cant associate at all. >>>> Also signal power is too low. >>>> >>>> Why is INT (beacon interval of AP) 102 ? >>> >>> These are the defaults - I have no idea what these numbers mean. What >>> should/could I be changing? >> >> I doubt that AP have capatibility to change that. >> Anyway maybe you could associate if your txpower is big enough... >> > > Sorry - I realized a brief portion of out conversation was done off-list. > > I just noticed that when I put in the ssid ifconfig seems to be > cycling among multiple channels (1,5, 11,12,13 ,14 and maybe others). > > I'm not sure what this behavior means. > > What would the best way see why I can't connect be? > > I tried > $ifconfig wlan0 txpower 50 > but txpower stays at 30. > > Is this for sure a signal strength problem? it worked when I used ndis > from the same location. > ... I also noticed that bwn0 says status: associated while wlan0 says status: no carrier -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 21:14:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F62106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:14:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6018FC1F for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so155096gwb.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:14:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sRJNNd1KAZfNbSkHIIDeDEDmiPOUNgBpwVGzmfM7hSA=; b=KZvNvyEoe5idUxpPyEmJjMSeteM3rHs/vwmRBnMUgOpq0NRIgC1Dr9pSzrBdmnsJz3 Q/Kb4yc/VI0q9GEwkoD3fnV6RT3u8yaImnBS4J2D5tJ4PaYXk2vKTpTfkkAZAjucGkWH pFpmIXCLmhysFCRpCSNL3qLeyq0ADfurJMIr8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Muy+7FbwK0OOPJvPBuTylUpluPiAqSA7Tnt/46Doee9ScSxTsjpPYdBAPHLTm1kara dBBc/gKBJ1K0vfnIgFajmaL8j+sqU9uYSayWVZDezS6GGYOOE5hN2sHIHi80ZC/YgYYa NEPFFIvJvW84xP+jttb5tBIBytvVCq7vCYELs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.51.2 with SMTP id y2mr1135815agy.170.1286486071729; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.187.194 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:14:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:14:31 +0000 Message-ID: From: Paul B Mahol To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:14:33 -0000 On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: >> On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: >>>> Looks like you cant associate at all. >>>> Also signal power is too low. >>>> >>>> Why is INT (beacon interval of AP) 102 ? >>> >>> These are the defaults - I have no idea what these numbers mean. What >>> should/could I be changing? >> >> I doubt that AP have capatibility to change that. >> Anyway maybe you could associate if your txpower is big enough... >> > > Sorry - I realized a brief portion of out conversation was done off-list. > > I just noticed that when I put in the ssid ifconfig seems to be > cycling among multiple channels (1,5, 11,12,13 ,14 and maybe others). Well, force it to stay on channel 1 all the time. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 21:18:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3D4106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:18:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E2A8FC14 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so399218iwn.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.33.76 with SMTP id g12mr1468804ibd.174.1286486321282; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:18:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.166.77 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:18:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:18:20 +0000 Message-ID: To: Paul B Mahol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:18:42 -0000 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: >>> On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: >>>>> Looks like you cant associate at all. >>>>> Also signal power is too low. >>>>> >>>>> Why is INT (beacon interval of AP) 102 ? >>>> >>>> These are the defaults - I have no idea what these numbers mean. What >>>> should/could I be changing? >>> >>> I doubt that AP have capatibility to change that. >>> Anyway maybe you could associate if your txpower is big enough... >>> >> >> Sorry - I realized a brief portion of out conversation was done off-list. >> >> I just noticed that when I put in the ssid ifconfig seems to be >> cycling among multiple channels (1,5, 11,12,13 ,14 and maybe others). > > Well, force it to stay on channel 1 all the time. > I destroyed and recreated wlan0 with the channel 1 Now it stopped cycling but bwn0 now says "no carrier" as well. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 21:23:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59761065679 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:23:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E53B8FC13 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz6 with SMTP id 6so310751bwz.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:23:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hR4O+HuM/Ua9G6WjyuohScHo5zxUQAZZxDrPTPF7fQA=; b=bKptDhs2KVpM9T3QIMShj7VCykZ1kUpYMNpR1mJ/nbUmm718CpDZfEzrvwua/sUkv/ T5ZJUJyqLJXuh4iPvg+twLusM+dboZt+j8SeQLRnXhHVo5TLKuwtDxlliT6hK7cYkn1k ZK2T+fLbBSvU0EUk+qiFNaS73pV7veaEGhj40= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=g7QNs4nFrZjy5ugKwyytGeMZY8IgOFIf8mM7cDeEWOl2tEoJvH1bFV2n5WkWBun3JC LwsP9TchSYQ7DmnLpZkX8itpBkRy5qvLQ1xCSX9jGV5n5HI7WOcmC6GfN/KeDRSk7Cpp gumCS6EeL5qHbZiGskm9l4isB+31OWDgmwyJc= Received: by 10.204.65.145 with SMTP id j17mr1086507bki.209.1286485192067; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from limbo.lan ([193.33.173.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 11sm1974110bkj.11.2010.10.07.13.59.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CAE34C4.30304@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:59:48 +0300 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; uk-UA; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100918 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Auty References: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> In-Reply-To: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newsyslog.conf and Apache log files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:23:43 -0000 07.10.2010 20:26, Joe Auty wrote: > Hello, > > I have the following entry for dealing with my Apache log files: > > /var/log/httpd/* 644 2 * $M1D0 GBJ > /var/run/httpd.pid 30 > > > Unfortunately, this has created these big long log files such as the > following: > > httpderror_log.2.bz2.2.bz2.2.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.0.bz2 > > How can I prevent these dumb log file names from being created? /var/log/httpd/*_log would suffice. -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 21:38:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859E71065698 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=889152876=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-002.utdallas.edu (ip-002.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EB48FC21 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:38:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8IAI/TrUyBbgogVmdsb2JhbACiTAEhAiAivEaFRwSEUQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,299,1283749200"; d="scan'208";a="40253237" Received: from zxtm01.utdallas.edu (HELO utd65257.utdallas.edu) ([129.110.10.32]) by ip-002.utdallas.edu with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 07 Oct 2010 16:10:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:10:04 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: Robert Huff , Joe Auty Message-ID: <0D189A441B0AB69C039DBA25@utd65257.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <19630.10423.657252.744311@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <4CAE02AB.1090009@netmusician.org> <19630.10423.657252.744311@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newsyslog.conf and Apache log files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:38:41 -0000 --On Thursday, October 07, 2010 16:08:23 -0400 Robert Huff wrote: > > Joe Auty writes: > >> I have the following entry for dealing with my Apache log files: >> >> /var/log/httpd/* 644 2 * $M1D0 GBJ >> /var/run/httpd.pid 30 >> >> Unfortunately, this has created these big long log files such as the >> following: >> >> httpderror_log.2.bz2.2.bz2.2.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.1.bz2.0.bz2 >> >> How can I prevent these dumb log file names from being created? This is what I use: /var/log/httpd-access.log 640 5 * $W0D04 Z /var/run/httpd.pid /var/log/httpd-error.log 640 5 * $W0D00 Z /var/run/httpd.pid /var/log/rewrite_log 640 5 * $W0D00 Z /var/run/httpd.pid And this is the results: # ls -lsa /var/log/httpd-* 279520 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 286062450 Oct 7 16:09 /var/log/httpd-access.log 26352 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 26960261 Oct 3 04:00 /var/log/httpd-access.log.0.gz 26720 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 27332026 Sep 26 04:00 /var/log/httpd-access.log.1.gz 37984 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 38845050 Sep 19 04:00 /var/log/httpd-access.log.2.gz 25632 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 26214452 Sep 5 04:00 /var/log/httpd-access.log.3.gz 24800 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 25364090 Aug 29 04:00 /var/log/httpd-access.log.4.gz 23568 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 24116870 Aug 22 04:00 /var/log/httpd-access.log.5.gz 1472 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 1477939 Oct 7 16:07 /var/log/httpd-error.log 122 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 124058 Oct 3 00:00 /var/log/httpd-error.log.0.gz 140 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 141619 Sep 26 00:00 /var/log/httpd-error.log.1.gz 224 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 198696 Sep 19 00:00 /var/log/httpd-error.log.2.gz 150 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 153353 Sep 5 00:00 /var/log/httpd-error.log.3.gz 138 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 139720 Aug 29 00:00 /var/log/httpd-error.log.4.gz 114 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 116124 Aug 22 00:00 /var/log/httpd-error.log.5.gz 80 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 80066 Oct 6 18:47 /var/log/httpd-ssl_request.log # ls -lsa /var/log/rewrite_log* 194672 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 199225770 Oct 7 16:07 /var/log/rewrite_log 17856 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 18260862 Oct 3 00:00 /var/log/rewrite_log.0.gz 18448 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 18873604 Sep 26 00:00 /var/log/rewrite_log.1.gz 26288 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 26899244 Sep 19 00:00 /var/log/rewrite_log.2.gz 17536 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 17935781 Sep 5 00:00 /var/log/rewrite_log.3.gz 16896 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 17278330 Aug 29 00:00 /var/log/rewrite_log.4.gz 16048 -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 16402215 Aug 22 00:00 /var/log/rewrite_log.5.gz Your problem appears to be caused by file globbing. Since you use httpd/*, every file will be rotated, even ones that were previously rotated. So, newsyslogd keeps appending more and more bzs to the end of the filenames, just as you've told it to do. > > My advice would be to not use syslog. It's bee a while since I > fixed this problen, but I remember reading Apache has ... issues > ... with rotating logs using syslog/newsyslog. Instead I use > sysutils/cronolog with: > None here, and I've been rotating apache logs since 1.3.1* (now at 2.2.16 with numerous upgrades in between) using newsyslog without every seeing the problem that you describe. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 21:48:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65772106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5778FC0C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id o97LkVi0023071 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:46:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:46:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201010072146.o97LkVi0023071@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:48:32 -0000 > Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:23:02 +0200 > From: Erik Trulsson > To: "Randal L. Schwartz" > Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping > export-restricted software in the core > > On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:08:35PM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > >>>>> "Erik" == Erik Trulsson writes: > > > > Do you have a different opinion, and is it a legal opinion? > > To me it looks much more like a case of some corporate standard > cover-your-ass boilerplate text that is used regardless of whether > there is reason to believe any particular piece of software needs any > special export approval. > That is an *exactly* correct reading of the text in question. What requires explicit permission from the U.S. government (or other national authority , for those in a different locale) *changes* over time. "Just because" it doesn't require a license _now_ doesn't mean that it will =never= need one. And simplarly, if it -does- need a license now it may _not_ need one at some (unknown) point in the future. *ALL* that language is doing is saying that the original licensor (INTEL) has _not_ made any determination as to what, *IF*ANY*, export controls may apply, now or at some unspeciied point in the future, to that code. AND that anyone who _does_ intend export said software has to (a) make that determination for themselves, and (b) _comply_ with such legal requirements themselves to be in compliance with the license from Intel. As a matter of _law_, those exact restrictions apply to *EVERY* piece of _every_ O/S -- OpenBSD, NetBSD, Open Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD, or 'whatever' -- that are accessed from a server that is located in the United States. It _doesn't_ matter where the code 'came from', you can import from anywhere, but certain things you _cannot_ 'export', even if you got it from 'somewhere outside the U.S.'-- a 'somewhere' that the person you're sending it to could go to themselves and get it. Intel is simply protecting _themselves_ against a =future= claim that _they_ (Intel) 'facilitated' the distrubution of 'export-controlled' software to the 'bad guys'. "When in doubt" you placard 'everything'. For stuf that you -give- away, there is nothing to be gained by spending the time/money to make the determinatin yourself -- It's not going to make you any additional profits if you do it, do "why bother?" applies. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 22:41:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351A91065675 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:41:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberleo@cyberleo.net) Received: from paka.cyberleo.net (paka.cyberleo.net [66.219.31.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BA08FC0A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:41:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.44.4] (den.cyberleo.net [66.253.36.39]) by paka.cyberleo.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9211929670; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4CAE4C9B.80307@cyberleo.net> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:41:31 -0500 From: CyberLeo Kitsana User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100911 Lightning/1.0b3pre Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Farmer References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4CAD40C7.5080908@gmail.com> <4CAD9F85.5000005@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Gonzalo Nemmi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:41:34 -0000 On 10/07/2010 12:46 PM, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:19, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: >> If you have a point, then there´s no point in me addressing your point >> .. unless you are asking me for legal advice .. >> Should that be the case, just let me know; I charge by the hour .. no >> "pro bono". > > Seeing as your messages says things like "El 07/10/2010" and "Rob > Farmer escribió" and you seem unwilling to actually talk about US law, > I'm curious to know where you attended law school and what states you > are licensed to practice in, since you seem to be offering paid > professional services. Argentina? [0] http://ar.linkedin.com/pub/gonzalo-nemmi/21/22b/267 -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net Furry Peace! - http://wwww.fur.com/peace/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 22:49:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21BF1065670 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7342B8FC08 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id o97MlNUC023450 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:47:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:47:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201010072247.o97MlNUC023450@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:49:22 -0000 > To: FreeBSD > Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:46:34 -0700 > Subject: Re: Like it or not, > Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software > in the core > > > I understand that entirely. Which is why it would be reasonable (and > downright ethical) to ensure that every FreeBSD integrator be made well > aware of this restriction. > > It hadn't occurred to *me* for example to think that FreeBSD might be > restricted. We are not responsible for _your_ lack of understanding OF THE LAW. But then, you've been there before on that, and learned the 'hard way' didn't you. Pure and simple, _if_ there is software involved, there *MAY* be export- control issues. *ANYONE* in the business of exporting software _should_ be aware of that fact, and as a matter of basic 'due diligence' know about _their_ national laws on the matter, and how/where to find out what kinds of software are restricted, and on what basis. It is worth noting that since the original software author (Intel) put the "it is possible an export license may be required under some circumstances" notice on their software that anyone who takes said notice -off- had better have (1) a -solid- professionally-rendered legal opinion that no such license is required under _any_ circumstances, and (2) massive liability insuance in case they are wrong. The party that removes the warning notice of a possible risk *IS* liable to the party who 'relies' on such removal as evidence that no license is needed. If a cautionary notice was _never_ present, that is one thing, and one cannot draw conclusions from the omission. If a notice _was_ present, and "someone" removes it, that 'affirmtive acton' is a _very_ different thing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 22:57:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DFF106564A; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A488FC13; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o97MvZEm022356; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:57:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4CAE505F.7010101@rawbw.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:57:35 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20100930 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <4CACFE36.8060409@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: vbox@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VirtualBox: Pressing some key few times fast causes an event storm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:57:37 -0000 On 10/06/2010 16:33, Adam Vande More wrote: > > Yes, it is not specific to FreeBSD and really not even specific to > VirtualBox since VMware guests can also experience the issue. There > are resolutions to it, if you bother to look. > > -- > Adam Vande More I found some references with recommendations like check your key repeat rate. I changed that in the guest but it didn't help. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 22:58:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD331065670 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:58:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220158FC1A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2so151446vws.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:58:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kys2G48Wlnuij9Tq2pPSglD4KDh0uwxD4QVlIn4gyNk=; b=LC85NMggV+vva3YZLXLQxsKEs6X46QKhY947N9P/1C2SfXh0uLCo/lfGeQuqOlTaYN EcFG1xwoONPho0K5i7AYKpIZ8P67xDP7JXpgarZ8fBiL8D/P0HM3BtK/2HH3IfhFyZd5 yp/wc1L+8GTTN94Oz31tdRlGQsgVHOGJr6tY4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Ysy15inweDwBC4xEHM9kQYGP/dyxrdNv8h59KLEhn1NJQZEePIfENWnnnrhfNmL1zy N+Y6Eh72Ps8LkU1ZApu26/YvBwhtJepUAxZBoNzt7WEkPQ6S2WGVc2Uag0dsNm1rJKdW gMJfdTRcqi3/p70+e69HQJ2EOhajqfKeDHIHw= Received: by 10.220.71.20 with SMTP id f20mr452638vcj.20.1286492298218; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schism.local (c-71-230-240-241.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.230.240.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x26sm472306vbw.18.2010.10.07.15.58.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CAE5086.6040805@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:58:14 -0400 From: Glen Barber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Bonomi References: <201010072247.o97MlNUC023450@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: <201010072247.o97MlNUC023450@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:58:20 -0000 On 10/7/10 6:47 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: >> To: FreeBSD >> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:46:34 -0700 >> Subject: Re: Like it or not, >> Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software >> in the core >> >> >> I understand that entirely. Which is why it would be reasonable (and >> downright ethical) to ensure that every FreeBSD integrator be made well >> aware of this restriction. >> >> It hadn't occurred to *me* for example to think that FreeBSD might be >> restricted. > > We are not responsible for _your_ lack of understanding OF THE LAW. > > But then, you've been there before on that, and learned the 'hard way' > didn't you. > > Pure and simple, _if_ there is software involved, there *MAY* be export- > control issues. > > *ANYONE* in the business of exporting software _should_ be aware of that > fact, and as a matter of basic 'due diligence' know about _their_ national > laws on the matter, and how/where to find out what kinds of software are > restricted, and on what basis. > > It is worth noting that since the original software author (Intel) put the > "it is possible an export license may be required under some circumstances" > notice on their software that anyone who takes said notice -off- had better > have (1) a -solid- professionally-rendered legal opinion that no such license > is required under _any_ circumstances, and (2) massive liability insuance > in case they are wrong. > > The party that removes the warning notice of a possible risk *IS* liable > to the party who 'relies' on such removal as evidence that no license is > needed. > > If a cautionary notice was _never_ present, that is one thing, and one cannot > draw conclusions from the omission. > > If a notice _was_ present, and "someone" removes it, that 'affirmtive acton' > is a _very_ different thing. > Can this thread go away now? -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 22:59:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8A910656A7 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:59:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberleo@cyberleo.net) Received: from paka.cyberleo.net (paka.cyberleo.net [66.219.31.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3A88FC21 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 22:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.44.4] (den.cyberleo.net [66.253.36.39]) by paka.cyberleo.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2034229670; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4CAE50EB.3060305@cyberleo.net> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:59:55 -0500 From: CyberLeo Kitsana User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100911 Lightning/1.0b3pre Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Moellering References: <4CADFA53.2060207@msen.com> In-Reply-To: <4CADFA53.2060207@msen.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Help with RealTek 8201 / rlphy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:59:57 -0000 On 10/07/2010 11:50 AM, Mark Moellering wrote: > I am installing FreeBSD 8.1 on an MSI wind notebook, which has a > RealTek 8201 wireless chip. The kernel acknowledges the chip as rlphy0 > on mii but I have no idea of how to actually configure it. > It shows up as miibus/rlphy in kldstat and as dev.rlphy.0 > It does not show up under ifconfig RTL8201 appears to be a phy for interfacing with 10/100baseT ethernet networks, and is generally paired (via miibus) with a media-independent adapter using one of rl(4) or re(4). This is not an 802.11 wifi device. You will probably have to look elsewhere in pciconf or usbconfig for evidence of your notebook's wireless adapter and its true chipset. -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net Furry Peace! - http://wwww.fur.com/peace/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 23:06:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A7F106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:06:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:3080::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275498FC0C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 03F4B3F9D; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:06:41 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Glen Barber References: <201010072247.o97MlNUC023450@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4CAE5086.6040805@gmail.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.13.14; tzolkin = 4 Ix; haab = 7 Yax Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:06:41 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4CAE5086.6040805@gmail.com> (Glen Barber's message of "Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:58:14 -0400") Message-ID: <86lj69r4am.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Robert Bonomi Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:06:42 -0000 >>>>> "Glen" == Glen Barber writes: Glen> Can this thread go away now? Only when the problem goes away. Is there a comprehensive list of restrictive sublicenses, or pointers to same, somewhere prominent at the top of the core distro? Or maybe some tool that would dynamically discover same, like maybe a convention that a license file is always called LICENSE or something? *That* would be helpful. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 23:29:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A009A106566C for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:29:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@dannysplace.net) Received: from mailgw.dannysplace.net (mailgw.dannysplace.net [204.109.56.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D728FC1A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [203.206.171.212] (helo=[192.168.10.10]) by mailgw.dannysplace.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1P3zuy-000OQe-G2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:30:33 +1000 Message-ID: <4CAE57EA.6030905@dannysplace.net> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:29:46 +1000 From: Danny Carroll User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4CAD40C7.5080908@gmail.com> <4CAD9F85.5000005@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4CAD9F85.5000005@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: danny X-Authenticator: plain X-Exim-Version: 4.72 (build at 12-Jul-2010 18:31:29) X-Date: 2010-10-08 09:30:32 X-Connected-IP: 203.206.171.212:63600 X-Message-Linecount: 32 X-Body-Linecount: 18 X-Message-Size: 1751 X-Body-Size: 807 X-Received-Count: 1 X-Recipient-Count: 1 X-Local-Recipient-Count: 1 X-Local-Recipient-Defer-Count: 0 X-Local-Recipient-Fail-Count: 0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 203.206.171.212 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: fbsd@dannysplace.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on damka.dannysplace.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mailgw.dannysplace.net) Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fbsd@dannysplace.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:29:55 -0000 On 7/10/2010 8:23 PM, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > > I would assume you already did that before walking into my office to > ask me about the set of licenses up for a review ... otherwise, > there´s no way to me to look close enough where I wasn´t asked to look > ... > If you go tell your Dr. you have a simple cof and a runy nose, he > won´t ask you to go trhough a colonoscopy or a brain tomography ... > and, _please_, _by_all_means_ don´t count on him finding anything on > your colon or in your brain in that case. > True, but if you told your doctor to test that you did not have cancer and he neglected to give you a colonoscopy, then he'd be, well, negligent. But I am just being fecetious, I guess a lawyer may not have the technical knowledge to know *where* to get each license that may be used. -D From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 23:40:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2784106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A947F8FC12 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12426 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2010 23:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2010 23:40:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=HLDnwitBfO6WwotDI7N1OIc8ygH1YW1mtuvq8zkLoQB7cDOgz1r31NNfH/1eIvOUsa9udOxozCaF40I2VYiH2bQdSUTPc6LnXEzH7WPoOAu8xrAw+THKVTuf/yfJJxIg; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P404d-0004sJ-VS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:40:33 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:35:55 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:35:55 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101007233555.GA81108@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201010072247.o97MlNUC023450@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201010072247.o97MlNUC023450@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:40:34 -0000 --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 05:47:23PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: >=20 > Pure and simple, _if_ there is software involved, there *MAY* be export- > control issues. >=20 > *ANYONE* in the business of exporting software _should_ be aware of that > fact, and as a matter of basic 'due diligence' know about _their_ national > laws on the matter, and how/where to find out what kinds of software are > restricted, and on what basis. Anyone who stores software on GitHub, BitBucket, or SourceForge could conceivably be accuse of being "in the software export business" -- but I bet very few people who use those services ever think about that. Of course, practically speaking, the chances of ending up in US court simply for putting some simple home-brewed CMS on BitBucket are probably pretty slim, in my non-lawyer opinion. Still . . . not having a moment where one thinks about the possibility seems like a pretty clear indication that it is rare for a non-lawyer to consider *all* the possible ways to get in legal trouble for "exporting" software. I do not really think that implying someone is stupid for failing to consider all possibilities is productive, especially since if we all had to get legal help every time we started a GitHub project, we would have considerably fewer GitHub projects in the world. >=20 > It is worth noting that since the original software author (Intel) put the > "it is possible an export license may be required under some circumstance= s" > notice on their software that anyone who takes said notice -off- had bett= er > have (1) a -solid- professionally-rendered legal opinion that no such lic= ense > is required under _any_ circumstances, and (2) massive liability insuance > in case they are wrong. They could also just ask Intel, I suppose. There must be *someone* there who has the job of answering questions like this. I am pretty sure that Intel's stable of lawyers isn't as big as IBM's, but it might be close to the size of the US DOJ. Even if Intel said "Sure, go ahead, we don't care," I'd still be inclined to seek further advice more concerned with my own legal safety before removing any legal notices though -- aside from the tags on my matresses and pillows (for instance). --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkyuWVsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWYDACgnpKcG1c2GWxJxg+tWtr5+gwq keMAoKEqyLRYSX2KQm2EkwsCkqUNJOs3 =YQKq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 00:14:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F50E1065673 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 00:14:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9BC8FC0C for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 00:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id o980CteE023986 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:12:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:12:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201010080012.o980CteE023986@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 00:14:55 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 7 18:28:10 2010 > Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:29:46 +1000 > From: Danny Carroll > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Like it or not, > Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted > software in the core > > On 7/10/2010 8:23 PM, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > > > > I would assume you already did that before walking into my office to > > ... > > If you go tell your Dr. you have a simple cof and a runy nose, he > > won´t ask you to go trhough a colonoscopy or a brain tomography ... > > and, _please_, _by_all_means_ don´t count on him finding anything on > > your colon or in your brain in that case. > > > > True, but if you told your doctor to test that you did not have cancer > and he neglected to give you a colonoscopy, then he'd be, well, negligent. > But I am just being fecetious, I guess a lawyer may not have the > technical knowledge to know *where* to get each license that may be used. The lawyer doesn't need to know where to get each license. He, does know, however, that he needs -all- of them, -and- that they're not necessarily all in 'obvious' places. The conversation start with you asking your lawyer something along the lines of: "I'm considering exporting _this_ bundle of sofware, what needs to be checked?" he'll tell you: "I need to review the copyright notices, licenses, and distribution restricions on _each_and_every_ item in that package. Go check _every_ file you intend to include, bring me a list showing 1) every file name 2) who holds the copyright to that file 3) what form of license it is issued under, and for each form of license a complete copy of that license. 4) any 'restricted use' notices you may find along the way Then _you_ actually perform the audit. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 00:15:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065471065670 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 00:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11218FC14 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 00:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2so180802vws.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.192.77 with SMTP id dp13mr475329vcb.82.1286496922754; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:15:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.96.139 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:15:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 00:15:02 +0000 Message-ID: To: Paul B Mahol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: [solved - I hope] Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 00:15:24 -0000 Finally, thank to Freenode's ##freebsd I tried wpa_supplicant which worked. I can now connect to the internet. I'd still like to know why I must use the program and I can't use the raw commands though. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: >> On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: >>>> On 10/7/10, Eitan Adler wrote: >>>>>> Looks like you cant associate at all. >>>>>> Also signal power is too low. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why is INT (beacon interval of AP) 102 ? >>>>> >>>>> These are the defaults - I have no idea what these numbers mean. What >>>>> should/could I be changing? >>>> >>>> I doubt that AP have capatibility to change that. >>>> Anyway maybe you could associate if your txpower is big enough... >>>> >>> >>> Sorry - I realized a brief portion of out conversation was done off-list. >>> >>> I just noticed that when I put in the ssid ifconfig seems to be >>> cycling among multiple channels (1,5, 11,12,13 ,14 and maybe others). >> >> Well, force it to stay on channel 1 all the time. >> > I destroyed and recreated wlan0 with the channel 1 > Now it stopped cycling but bwn0 now says "no carrier" as well. > > > -- > Eitan Adler > -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 00:29:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B0B1065674; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 00:29:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0A18FC14; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 00:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm4 with SMTP id 4so3087fxm.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:29:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=PPzPNGljMR835h6Q/AQWOWR5HBvJTCU/CfcvFzL+AqM=; b=OZuPlFsmzH75PjwPqAs9zySlqx3uqAjAb4b8bDPyTQmZysYrNWBpVyazJTVowsGtrq iTEfRPHsvv95WaUC1WkllIhKyWAZ9HrAL00yQeQR32Y/8bJeEUmq6IiWfdViEd70N3Sw kYTpF+ppC6fMVXEDH1c4BTYc7RblPyMBoS6no= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=C558xblUjLOplwriPYHqrenL4Jl9fS4E6AHfMeoe4jsjO8dQcdjl68juFpHr+vaY4w SsKH7v5q0jLgy4m83+4zkZytn02lQbhnSn8Ro2+QIc1sifj+PRzu6BgYJoS2pc7ohgqC p+nY47zrAhvs/aDDBWXAR7HVNBIZ4PScGqgN8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.118.18 with SMTP id t18mr2105403faq.31.1286497785470; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.107.130 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:29:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CAE505F.7010101@rawbw.com> References: <4CACFE36.8060409@rawbw.com> <4CAE505F.7010101@rawbw.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:29:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Yuri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: vbox@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VirtualBox: Pressing some key few times fast causes an event storm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 00:29:47 -0000 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Yuri wrote: > On 10/06/2010 16:33, Adam Vande More wrote: > >> >> Yes, it is not specific to FreeBSD and really not even specific to >> VirtualBox since VMware guests can also experience the issue. There are >> resolutions to it, if you bother to look. >> > > I found some references with recommendations like check your key repeat > rate. I changed that in the guest but it didn't help. > There is a lot more than that for suggestions, but the #1 easiest solution is to install guest additions. I've never had a problem with that installed. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 00:30:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26711065693; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 00:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D538FC08; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 00:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o980UY7C053359; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4CAE662A.8050301@rawbw.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:30:34 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20100930 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <4CACFE36.8060409@rawbw.com> <4CAE505F.7010101@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: vbox@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VirtualBox: Pressing some key few times fast causes an event storm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 00:30:35 -0000 On 10/07/2010 17:29, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Yuri > wrote: > > On 10/06/2010 16:33, Adam Vande More wrote: > > > Yes, it is not specific to FreeBSD and really not even > specific to VirtualBox since VMware guests can also experience > the issue. There are resolutions to it, if you bother to look. > > > I found some references with recommendations like check your key > repeat rate. I changed that in the guest but it didn't help. > > > There is a lot more than that for suggestions, but the #1 easiest > solution is to install guest additions. I've never had a problem with > that installed. > > -- > Adam Vande More But I have this problem with guest additions. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 00:41:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5492B1065672; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 00:41:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAAE8FC15; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 00:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm4 with SMTP id 4so7041fxm.13 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:41:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=TmErV3gxLUs0S4PATpstW3+ANkaYBssx/qizp476RwU=; b=NytlNpsoMGncQDph67aNBqXWv2UE4MZmwmKo85ZLpNXf8EXcn61sb1SnJIJ94zEeVu vUhHYhXlnNE/OPbA3zZqvxy+i+Lluv/04ZSengfCUWO8CZCCNKz2CZBvwZx5NIVJEr8d Da+ROOkfMO5Yj2bf25XODhHWN4iSqxYHApt9Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=wrj46pw2638lEDqtnjT1Q+M36hd8eRQFE5K/5JzFn1ibO0vXy/Ro22aPGIqHQPwZKC TvCZ8XTgzFSA0w97zI83bxCO+ydYTs5BQo+T+el7IwzkmrwaRNRYCD3K7J39mPE1P39Z lTPoVitF5KOfba1F/p0xKYOGBgev/zytHvqnY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.144.85 with SMTP id y21mr2079349fau.87.1286498471506; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.107.130 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:41:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CAE662A.8050301@rawbw.com> References: <4CACFE36.8060409@rawbw.com> <4CAE505F.7010101@rawbw.com> <4CAE662A.8050301@rawbw.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:41:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Yuri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: vbox@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VirtualBox: Pressing some key few times fast causes an event storm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 00:41:13 -0000 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Yuri wrote: > But I have this problem with guest additions. > I can't reproduce it. Does you CPU support virtualization extensions eg VT and is it turned on? Is your guest additions in sync with your VBox version? Are you running the latest VBox? -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 09:30:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5814B1065673 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 09:30:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jahan@bol-online.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B0B8FC1F for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 09:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so1199262iwn.13 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 02:30:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.39.205 with SMTP id h13mr2006902ibe.148.1286530251244; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 02:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 02:30:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [115.127.8.85] In-Reply-To: <20101006133637.b625241c.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20101006133637.b625241c.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 15:30:51 +0600 Message-ID: From: Aftab Jahan Subedar To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:30:57 -0000 Dear Polytropon, U were too polite to introduced this pcbsd. it looks very lucrative. I am gonna start download today and experiment. Have u used this ? Is Yahoo Messenger or Skype supported? - Jahan since FreeBSD 2.2 On 10/6/10, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 01:50:47 -0500, Adam Vande More > wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Aftab Jahan Subedar >> wrote: >> >> > Dear colleagues, >> > >> > Actually I was trying to promote KDE/FreeBSD to my ISP (novice) users >> > instead of Windows XP or so, for a virus free journey. >> > >> > Is there anyone has actually successfully installed directly from >> > stable 8.1 /usr/ports/x11/kde4 ? >> > >> >> Sure, I do it regularly, yesterday in fact I built a fresh 8.1 STABLE, and >> compiled kde4. Worked like a champ no errors. However, if you're working >> with novice users, perhaps RELEASE and it's associated packages would be >> more suitable than STABLE + ports. > > I hope it doesn't sound impolite when I mention this, but why not > give PC-BSD to novice users? Especially if an "out of the box" > experience is needed, PC-BSD is fine, as it brings all possible > stuff preinstalled and preconfigured. Still it's a real FreBSD > under the hood, so no big "loss". > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 10:06:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46BF106564A for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 10:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601A28FC19 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 10:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwe4 with SMTP id 4so20927qwe.13 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 03:06:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SEODFKNLDnqIE05d56qfU5cCZWwbWMXnKpKxvXrsW1E=; b=T4QC2pdX/q4p2f6paOLLYt1X22lzvxuh4FilXOTH51WuXb8WGCzu36/ger517hyGyt gX2IHsZOPsHTflmTWhVXSv9P0JVGnLt16PQlWcc6Lv4KgvoJ9f2DZdJw8GV5hA1c91bs lnQtX2KaCxRFuAkSt1i22xbtiaSVn3rwvEk8Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=DvZ2TbUjRH19CE3qmgjOsOKwObk/dTYQVJtcJT6Hs6KPtd3s3pQKsWSPWYynvLXayi pLMK0vWu43vgVbWATtCKNXVAM25ZScP9/2K3t2W3mOVWiY2fEiLSy7oQmwyEEE9JWgSN zS96K657xWnOl5Z3KHaIygPRuhSG125TI3eqw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.87.140 with SMTP id w12mr1823105qcl.125.1286532359748; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 03:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.215.209 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 03:05:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CAE2B99.7020804@gmail.com> References: <4CA6FBC2.8080908@gmail.com> <4CAE2B99.7020804@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 11:05:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Anselm Strauss Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Adam Vande More , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swap on ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:06:01 -0000 On 7 October 2010 21:20, Anselm Strauss wrote: > On 10/02/10 17:52, Adam Vande More wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Anselm Strauss > wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> I have a virtual server with only 512 MB of memory but still want to run > >> ZFS on it. > >> > >> Has there been any fix or workaround for this? I guess it does not help > >> when I use a swap file on ZFS instead of a separate zvol. > >> > > > > Make sure you are following this: > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot Please note swap is not a > > ZVOL, it is a sepate partition. You'd have the same problem with ZVOL. > > Also use i386, that will save you a bit of memory. Follow the ZFS tuning > > guide. Even if you follow all those things, I'm not sure you'll be able > to > > get it stable. 512MB is really tight. > > > > I now have the swap on a separate disk and it seems more stable. > Although the server still has only 512 MB of RAM, runs on amd64 and I > did no tuning. It's not a file server but compiling ports and running > some services seems okay. > > I have seen multiple posts on the net where people put swap on ZFS. What > sense does it make when every time the machine runs out of physical > memory it freezes before it can allocate some swap memory. Does it only > make sense in case you have additional non-ZFS swap? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > there must be some logic in is as when you build a (open)*solaris box on zfs, the swap is on a vdev by defaukt. I think its because ZFS runs in kernel memory and this isn't swapable. Please correct me if im wrong somebody. $ swap -lh swapfile dev swaplo blocks free /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/swap 182,2 4K 2.0G 2.0G $ uname -a SunOS desktop2 5.11 snv_134 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 12:15:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B778106566C for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:15:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC8E8FC2B for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwi8 with SMTP id 8so253640pwi.13 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:15:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qNfwQ7XaUsbv0eJAVr3gAvJMpAGjo+d/8EdF1A3wc9Q=; b=oS9MVnn8eYntQd1PHfAYp29pBHYihdvIObdfGE95Z20oWG4MzmFhsArA3It5XMq4Vt ipb14QxUJfQjFjkLEbHwz4qnDC4j2S99R6FDYBC106JM5OQMRpoEsxta3ZrsFVimpwVT L9+ig0irIhSXNG46RKqtjB6swFhcP18E7McM0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=KWB8xA+jBXF0S6ViT0CgYLZPapLu+B9UnbXUkBgBZeCBn6g81HiPB9c7DGwakSLvv8 ceRJL8HFLEiwn2Dhm9MYp/60llsTL1DTOu1sKzDtxXJ75Ew676YctHB/FFfK31gzzt+3 jp3bFd1k1ktkz1cNroy7wDrAfgaWya4y+gEw8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.127.18 with SMTP id z18mr2525384wac.171.1286540110622; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.187.194 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 05:15:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:15:10 +0000 Message-ID: From: Paul B Mahol To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: [solved - I hope] Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:15:12 -0000 On 10/8/10, Eitan Adler wrote: > Finally, thank to Freenode's ##freebsd I tried wpa_supplicant which worked. > I can now connect to the internet. > > I'd still like to know why I must use the program and I can't use the > raw commands though. So OPEN authmode is broken somehow? Send a problem report if really is. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 13:50:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085061065694 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:50:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA27F8FC26 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sagemaster (sageweb.net [65.68.247.73]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id o98DoAoQ013971; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 08:50:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host sageweb.net [65.68.247.73] claimed to be sagemaster Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20101008085008.00effba8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:50:08 -0500 To: Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.20101007081311.00edf500@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:50:11 -0500 X-Scanned-By: milter-sender/1.16.915 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:50:11 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: Subject: Re: Captcha image does not load X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:50:12 -0000 At 02:17 PM 10.7.2010 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: >Jack L. Stone wrote: > >> Folks: >> >> Please bear with me on this one. Am using FBSD-7.0p9 and PHP52. >> >> Have been using a Captcha protection against robots for a download section >> of the server. It worked just fine since installed for a couple of years, >> even with prior versions of PHP5. However, the captcha suddenly stopped >> loading the initial image and required multiple clicks (variable times at >> that) to get it to load an image that could be used by the customer. Just >> shows the little "x" as broken link to image. Nothing tried has solved the >> issue. Had to add text telling people to keep clicking if an image is not >> seen. >> >> Anyone seen this and have any suggestions on how to fix other than finding >> a different captcha script?. >> > I was having a similar problem and it involved php52-gd not working. I >moved the following two lines to the end of my php.ini and it started >working. I think it was having pdf.so load afterward is what did it. > >extension=gd.so >extension=pdf.so > > >-Mike > Mike: Thank you so much! Apparently solved the problem for me too. Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 16:26:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB5E106566B for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:26:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3515B8FC0C for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so1622383wyb.13 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.29.78 with SMTP id h54mr1705511eea.15.1286555174759; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:26:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.166.77 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 09:25:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:25:53 +0000 Message-ID: To: Paul B Mahol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: [solved - I hope] Re: if_bwn woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:26:16 -0000 On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > On 10/8/10, Eitan Adler wrote: >> Finally, thank to Freenode's ##freebsd I tried wpa_supplicant which worked. >> I can now connect to the internet. >> >> I'd still like to know why I must use the program and I can't use the >> raw commands though. > > So OPEN authmode is broken somehow? Send a problem report if really is. > I used key_mgmt=NONE in wpa_supplicant.conf so I think it is still using OPEN. I'm not really sure what the difference is. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 17:31:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2AF1065670 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF828FC12 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o98HV5r6014750 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 04:31:05 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 04:31:05 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101009014310.O2036@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Like it or not, Theo is having a good laugh .. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:31:08 -0000 I'm finding this absurd thread about the old Intel boilerplate left in http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c not only wilfully ignorant and spectacularly misinformed, but too close to being offensive - or at least undeservedly disrespectful - by some. 'Ignorance is no excuse' should apply equally to familiarity with our ACPI code before singing a chorus of bush lawyers into a frenzy of FUD. We've had a clear explanation of why it's still there - an historical oversight at worst, pre present levels of paranoia and litigiousness - by Jung-uk Kim, who's been importing Intel ACPICA code into FreeBSD for five or so years, among large works on other core aspects of FreeBSD. He stated that it will be dealt with in the next import of the code. End of story? Let facts get in the way of such a splendid beat-up? Here's a list of the ACPICA releases by Bob Moore and Lin Ming of Intel for just the last couple of years (scan acpi@ archives if interested) X 88 Aug 29 Moore, Robert (6829) ACPICA version 20080829 released X 280 Sep 26 Moore, Robert (6262) ACPICA version 20080926 released X 683 Dec 4 Moore, Robert (6639) ACPICA version 20081204 released X 1013 Jan 23 Moore, Robert (5462) ACPICA version 20090123 released X 1680 May 21 Moore, Robert (6905) ACPICA version 20090521 released X 3117 Dec 14 Moore, Robert (6708) ACPICA version 20091214 released X 2917 Mar 4 Moore, Robert (5862) ACPICA version 20100304 released X 3800 Mar 31 Moore, Robert (7125) ACPICA version 20100331 released X 4627 Apr 28 Moore, Robert (6964) ACPICA version 20100428 released X 5401 May 28 Moore, Robert (7535) ACPICA version 20100528 released X 6373 Jul 2 Moore, Robert (7184) ACPICA version 20100702 released X 7289 Aug 6 Moore, Robert (6471) ACPICA version 20100806 released X 2837 Sep 15 Moore, Robert (6220) ACPICA version 20100915 released Each of these has been or the latter are being merged into FreeBSD, clearly a non-trivial task if you take a few minutes to browse some commit logs. As just one example, scope the last MFC to 8-STABLE: http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revision&revision=207250 Not like anyone's been sitting around waiting for people to stamp their little feet demanding immediate compliance with their wishes / fears / uncertainties / doubts based on Theo seizing a golden chance to yank FreeBSD's chain - as his post begins - "Just for fun." And they bit! Theo knows full well, of course, that all that's at issue is that we haven't dropped original and long inapplicable bits of the present Intel licence (BSD|GPL) from that file as OpenBSD has, and as Linux do, again: http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/drivers/acpi/acpica/hwsleep.c?v=linux-2.6 If anyone finds any State Secrets or vaguely crypto code in Intel's free (in both senses) ACPICA code implementation of open ACPI specifications, I'm sure we'll get to hear about it. Meanwhile, please shut the FUD up. uncheerfully, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 19:28:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD27106564A for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:28:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E77B8FC17 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-73-80.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.73.80]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516E13DF1C; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 21:28:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o98JSGnN001566; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 21:28:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 21:28:16 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Aftab Jahan Subedar Message-Id: <20101008212816.9b77b834.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20101006133637.b625241c.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:28:18 -0000 On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 15:30:51 +0600, Aftab Jahan Subedar wrote: > Dear Polytropon, > > U were too polite to introduced this pcbsd. it looks very lucrative. I > am gonna start download today and experiment. I had good experiences in the past with providing PC-BSD to users with (1st) beginner-level knowledge and (2nd) sufficiently modern hardware. As a German, I found that KDE's localisation and inter- nationalisation, the language support for the german language, was not as good as that of Gnome. Minor problems occured when needing to install codecs (to make the KDE media player usable), but that's not because of a technical, but an idiotic reason. :-) The overall "out of the box experience" is still quite good, and the amount of time needed to get things working is significantly small, as long as you don't have "extraordinary" hardware you need to support. > Have u used this ? Yes, but it's not *my* cup of tea... :-) > Is > Yahoo Messenger or Skype supported? KDE contains a "complete" messenger system that can connect to Yahoo services, as far as I remember. Skype should work, too, but *may* be limited in regards of videoconferencing. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 19:53:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC54106566C for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:53:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6548FC0A for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm4 with SMTP id 4so653076fxm.13 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:53:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZsCvYmMxr1F6/1xMR1LoWrASxGgXbDyvZTCvN1Cr3Hk=; b=xriTPRbBbsElH4naVAZGJ2YzV+BNHVWvoxZm7WTDGqfJEIg6j0U3JrDrDOsaoXdc/k mkn4KAUnzmNT4DZhaNh5uut/YSXf0OD7xWVJyjWRcU+cw/n5gPCdlqYAINXIMAUUb3+8 6iVsWQJlWJC8wEgMH+ahAvTdA89GIgGzu0Kzw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=JupUC9STvCbIn0u38IGQNXoHbUVt7+3Pv6GEI8eItOvz21zrphKb+eB9B6lWEOM0FD 5ugOORYwGyyBZzEuvX7pJm4u51Ca+P6fjdQLHKgUxvqsgoRmi8x6Xm9FPs66hJphJxrW upnDUiukeqFep3H1MjXFbp87ohWUu31/hVZ9Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.116.140 with SMTP id m12mr3793678faq.64.1286567637633; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.124.203 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:53:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101006133637.b625241c.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20101006133637.b625241c.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:53:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Aftab Jahan Subedar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:53:59 -0000 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:36 AM, Polytropon wrote: > I hope it doesn't sound impolite when I mention this, but why not > give PC-BSD to novice users? Especially if an "out of the box" > experience is needed, PC-BSD is fine, as it brings all possible > stuff preinstalled and preconfigured. Still it's a real FreBSD > under the hood, so no big "loss". > I don't have any problem with PC-BSD and maybe it's a good solution here. It's just different enough in various ways from FreeBSD that I can't support it easily. At least that's been my impression from the few times I've tried it. Also it's had quirky bugs which made it more difficult to use, for example the PC-BSD installer didn't display right on my widescreen monitor even though my monitor was quite standard. I had to find and hook up a standard 4:3 which then worked(you can also pan in X if you remember the keystrokes). Maybe that's fixed now, but my experience with FreeBSD simply makes it easier. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 20:15:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE9C106570E for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 20:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jahan@bol-online.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EA18FC13 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 20:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so108401ywh.13 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:15:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.152.9 with SMTP id z9mr949641and.31.1286568906950; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:15:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [115.127.8.86] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 02:15:06 +0600 Message-ID: From: Aftab Jahan Subedar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: KDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 20:15:09 -0000 On 10/6/10, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Aftab Jahan Subedar > wrote: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> Actually I was trying to promote KDE/FreeBSD to my ISP (novice) users >> instead of Windows XP or so, for a virus free journey. >> >> Is there anyone has actually successfully installed directly from >> stable 8.1 /usr/ports/x11/kde4 ? >> > > Sure, I do it regularly, yesterday in fact I built a fresh 8.1 STABLE, and > compiled kde4. Worked like a champ no errors. However, if you're working > with novice users, perhaps RELEASE and it's associated packages would be > more suitable than STABLE + ports. > > -- > Adam Vande More > ok I will try that again, it fails in the GCC complie. -Jahan 10 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 20:19:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B291065679 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 20:19:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jahan@bol-online.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A648FC16 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 20:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwi8 with SMTP id 8so492963pwi.13 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:19:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.241.6 with SMTP id o6mr2492676wfh.154.1286569169867; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:19:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [115.127.8.86] In-Reply-To: References: <20101006133637.b625241c.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 02:19:29 +0600 Message-ID: From: Aftab Jahan Subedar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: KDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 20:19:32 -0000 On 10/9/10, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:36 AM, Polytropon wrote: > >> I hope it doesn't sound impolite when I mention this, but why not >> give PC-BSD to novice users? Especially if an "out of the box" >> experience is needed, PC-BSD is fine, as it brings all possible >> stuff preinstalled and preconfigured. Still it's a real FreBSD >> under the hood, so no big "loss". >> > > I don't have any problem with PC-BSD and maybe it's a good solution here. > It's just different enough in various ways from FreeBSD that I can't support > it easily. At least that's been my impression from the few times I've tried > it. Also it's had quirky bugs which made it more difficult to use, for > example the PC-BSD installer didn't display right on my widescreen monitor > even though my monitor was quite standard. I had to find and hook up a > standard 4:3 which then worked(you can also pan in X if you remember the > keystrokes). Maybe that's fixed now, but my experience with FreeBSD simply > makes it easier. > > -- > Adam Vande More > ok, u all wait till I install one, in da process of downloading. Thank you all so much, wait till I finish. -Jahan 10 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 22:33:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3400106564A for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:33:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1B18FC0C for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F2AE6032 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 23:33:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from core.nessbank (client-86-31-20-104.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.31.20.104]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 23:33:00 +0100 (BST) From: Bruce Cran To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 23:32:59 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/9.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.5.1; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201010082332.59362.bruce@cran.org.uk> Subject: FreeBSD warning about unclean filesystems which won't be mounted X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:33:01 -0000 I was in the process of reinstalling a machine today and had installed 9- CURRENT to a 512MB flash card. After reconnecting an HDD which had dirty filesystems on it and booting I was surprised to see a message: Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a WARNING: /home was not properly dismounted /home: mount pending error: blocks 76 files 0 But, /etc/fstab just contains: /dev/ad2s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 rw,noauto 0 0 Should FreeBSD be reporting errors on filesystems it hasn't been asked to mount yet? -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 22:47:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150B91065672 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:47:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9C08FC0C for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o98MlLCc091145 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 15:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4CAF9F79.90905@rawbw.com> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:47:21 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20100930 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Is there a way I can rotate Logitech 960-000111 Quickcam Orbit AF USB Webcam in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:47:23 -0000 This webcam otherwise works. But it is capable to rotate in two dimensions. I found two projects dov4l and setpwc related to this, but they seem to be outdated. Any way I can rotate this cam? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 22:56:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC64106566B for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:56:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4358FC0C for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DE6E6059; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 23:56:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from core.nessbank (client-86-31-64-159.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.31.64.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 23:56:57 +0100 (BST) From: Bruce Cran To: Robert Bonomi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 23:56:56 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/9.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.5.1; amd64; ; ) References: <201010082248.o98MmcKJ002508@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: <201010082248.o98MmcKJ002508@mail.r-bonomi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201010082356.56278.bruce@cran.org.uk> Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD warning about unclean filesystems which won't be mounted X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:56:58 -0000 [re-added freebsd-questions] On Friday 08 October 2010 23:48:38 Robert Bonomi wrote: > Is that the /etc/fstab on the flash card, or the on on ad2s1a ?? > > I supsect the entire boot process is not going the way you 'think' it is. That's fstab from the flash card - the HDD only ever contained /usr, /home, /var and swap. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 02:26:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EA11065670 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 02:26:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hacos@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: from hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (hal.Rescomp.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.70.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E088FC0A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 02:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (Postfix, from userid 1324) id 5E31D597DF1; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:09:48 -0700 From: Hac Phan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101009020948.GB91654@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5/uDoXvLw7AC5HRs" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Boot loader/kernel error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 02:26:26 -0000 --5/uDoXvLw7AC5HRs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm having trouble with a machine that was recently rebooted and will no lo= nger boot correctly. The boot process hangs with the following screen: Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf - The cursor does not move and no other text is displayed. After about 10 min= utes, the boot finishes (without the splash screen) and displays the login prompt= =2E I tried to login but it timed out after 300 seconds. The server was using a custom built kernel. I tried to get the GENERIC kern= el =66rom the livefs ISO and restore it via FIXIT console, but I realized that= I actually don't know how to do that... So how do I go about fixing this? Thanks in advance. --=20 Hac Phan Unix System Administrator Network & Infrastructure, RSSP-IT UC Berkeley --5/uDoXvLw7AC5HRs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMr87sAAoJEN/fmp4cLLM1AaoH/ieFBDXT6xHdQzKM11b/CsKD YCZtj8mfXKa+5zVnjrAYX+moA644KiLnlpifv1l165G0e/1tbrJpdqq7g1iCuA92 MzRKAfTobBe4wxE1vlY/H7JsYFFTFn/S51FBzF5YS1jSNSKlAX6KadnVXxOk9I/B w7usO0EnEnHU7qzg7cuREadc2nVQMoSzQx931Zf/vNtQQ0vv+PifZ6Byg1NsDAkQ NCw5qlflyXN+3xBCdvtbwvSrggMSL4cVeQlWJ7zSwzysMgwjiL7QVHMsyhi3xpzt Q9wVscMXfX2i2SLnVwhHQ8EucSWNHBVl1I32vWb4Ej2L+kRkyNTe4Z+Xehv8QSA= =zxyD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5/uDoXvLw7AC5HRs-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 03:33:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822C7106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 03:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450B08FC16 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 03:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1so289866vws.13 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 20:33:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.191.5 with SMTP id dk5mr969021vcb.22.1286595204905; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 20:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.188.3 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 20:33:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.183] In-Reply-To: <20101009014310.O2036@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101009014310.O2036@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 20:33:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Ian Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo is having a good laugh .. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 03:33:26 -0000 On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:31, Ian Smith wrote: > We've had a clear explanation of why it's still there - an historical > oversight at worst, pre present levels of paranoia and litigiousness - > by Jung-uk Kim, who's been importing Intel ACPICA code into FreeBSD for > five or so years, among large works on other core aspects of FreeBSD. > > He stated that it will be dealt with in the next import of the code. > End of story? =A0Let facts get in the way of such a splendid beat-up?] What do you mean by "dealt with"? Just drop clauses from the license? Has someone who legally represents the copyright holder approved that in writing? > If anyone finds any State Secrets or vaguely crypto code in Intel's free > (in both senses) ACPICA code implementation of open ACPI specifications, > I'm sure we'll get to hear about it. =A0Meanwhile, please shut the FUD up= . Export restrictions apply to more than crypto, and removing the license terms saying this doesn't actually remove the restrictions - they are a law. The only people spreading FUD here are those who are have an anti-American attitude and are unwilling to accept that since key parts of FreeBSD are contributions by people in the US and are then exported, it just might actually be affected by what US lawmakers say about exports. --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 05:11:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5238106566C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 05:11:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from calebzstein@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845D68FC13 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 05:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwi8 with SMTP id 8so586070pwi.13 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:11:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:content-type:to:date:subject :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:from:message-id:user-agent; bh=nT1JuXZwFLqMQUK2aQpmV1hydgE6zAgtwPyAjUThNoI=; b=W9Hquufs8OLYwGicNOBtkd9pRy09oa1otTHJRT3c9AIAj52+qygXO2Nh+Ijf9e442c T2+rTvoH81qGVc2+yNpNjpB3VKttUUDYbZIiWP4CqyA5L9+Xirs7isanJOIndBqzYhNq 4gI/iuCC0ZkgItKvewhLiuT6iSnb0t7Esbe/U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:to:date:subject:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :from:message-id:user-agent; b=nbZ1mu3olrW6wMInoH0NfVTbK1tr+eWvXviTEeQuN7sUro3nzKDyeHyO4h4WH9YDVT eAvrFC71a2a8Yz9BHfOrZ0W7zMOev7dRQ2/5jl5qxuDKsWIZj5mDcGGB1HznEcOgz7YO bveLEAJvWKhRyMo2fRGYkX3DsTYE0e1ZPLJ/0= Received: by 10.114.61.16 with SMTP id j16mr3862409waa.143.1286599393809; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from win7x64.mshome.net (c-67-183-141-251.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.183.141.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q29sm4267605waj.18.2010.10.08.21.43.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:43:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Caleb Stein" Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.70 (Win32) Subject: Clean up / filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 05:11:35 -0000 I'm constantly getting the message, ":/ write failed, filesystem is full", so I did df, and it said that my / filesystem was at 108%. What files can I delete to free some space? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 05:16:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDCF1065693 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 05:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jarrod.sl@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24648FC1C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 05:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so589083pxi.13 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:16:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UvZyYVBuHhAfTqfXyMXGiS01ngp/OosZYMvGFx1ct0A=; b=dxsqNM0hWebM4sp5rH86okGgZuVcOpiC8fXUIzPQECuJLeVwHxKt3OiKcB9ylNhJH6 Zp/RywuQjT94oMOxbYhujtmabuwHN6XBpjv2Pv5qjtOWOd1z6DDxoeYWqrodzHK/jEJK PMN4wSUT4xoRPwGaC2rSonvVpaxDutA8jjhOg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xG2Rkpy/QXwNrHl7/GoBRHWYb31YdsoKa1lH8PZVbTOJjFOcuSWgRqKUsqPjTmn+Uo c7au4Ie7q4CIWTUZOZz6HuTkM/IUtzP0Zh4SZq0QCCPIcq7jmmdscy5JnikofL50GPNi tc8wstGxmQzH//tLIa/v57o403dvOf0vQ/0xM= Received: by 10.114.126.3 with SMTP id y3mr3883947wac.74.1286599681737; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jarrod-slicks-macbook.local (173-14-3-50-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.14.3.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r37sm6891527wak.11.2010.10.08.21.48.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CAFF3FE.6090508@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:47:58 -0600 From: Jarrod Slick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101009014310.O2036@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo is having a good laugh .. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 05:16:37 -0000 On 10/8/10 9:33 PM, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:31, Ian Smith wrote: >> We've had a clear explanation of why it's still there - an historical >> oversight at worst, pre present levels of paranoia and litigiousness - >> by Jung-uk Kim, who's been importing Intel ACPICA code into FreeBSD for >> five or so years, among large works on other core aspects of FreeBSD. >> >> He stated that it will be dealt with in the next import of the code. >> End of story? Let facts get in the way of such a splendid beat-up?] > What do you mean by "dealt with"? Just drop clauses from the license? > Has someone who legally represents the copyright holder approved that > in writing? > >> If anyone finds any State Secrets or vaguely crypto code in Intel's free >> (in both senses) ACPICA code implementation of open ACPI specifications, >> I'm sure we'll get to hear about it. Meanwhile, please shut the FUD up. > Export restrictions apply to more than crypto, and removing the > license terms saying this doesn't actually remove the restrictions - > they are a law. > > The only people spreading FUD here are those who are have an > anti-American attitude and are unwilling to accept that since key > parts of FreeBSD are contributions by people in the US and are then > exported, it just might actually be affected by what US lawmakers say > about exports. > @rob, Kinda wish you would make a video wherein you read your above statement from a teleprompter with a green-screened American flag billowing in the background. You might want to add in a statement about your deep respect and admiration for the troops, though. To add in even more of that good ol' fashioned American [self-]righteousness you could even, in a senseless spat of litigiousness, DMCA yourself and have the video removed from whatever third-party site you decide to post it on. Oh, and disclaimer . . . I'm an American. Anyhow, I'll go back to lurking. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 05:46:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F73F106566C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 05:46:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369D38FC18 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 05:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1so329100vws.13 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:46:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.195.196 with SMTP id ed4mr110285vcb.168.1286601376522; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.188.3 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:16:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.183] In-Reply-To: <4CAFF3C8.30703@gmail.com> References: <20101009014310.O2036@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <4CAFF3C8.30703@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:16:16 -0700 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Jarrod Slick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo is having a good laugh .. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 05:46:46 -0000 On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 21:47, Jarrod Slick wrote: > @rob, > > Kinda wish you would make a video wherein you read your above statement f= rom > a teleprompter with a green-screened American flag billowing in the > background. =A0You might want to add in a statement about your deep respe= ct > and admiration for the troops, though. =A0To add in even more of that goo= d ol' > fashioned American [self-]righteousness you could even, in a senseless sp= at > of litigiousness, DMCA yourself and have the video removed from whatever > third-party site you decide to post it on. > > Oh, and disclaimer . . . I'm an American. > > Anyhow, I'll go back to lurking. > You can imply that I'm a nationalistic jackass all you like, but the fact still remains that nobody has presented an argument (well reasoned and coherent or otherwise) for why FreeBSD wouldn't be subject to the EAR or why changing the license for this code would make one bit of difference (beyond public relations). --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 05:46:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E421310656B2 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 05:46:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F348FC16 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 05:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 09 Oct 2010 01:46:55 -0400 Received: from mx04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (mx04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.54]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.1.9-GA) with ESMTP id AQS08447; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 01:46:55 -0400 Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 09 Oct 2010 01:46:55 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19632.463.52069.211565@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 01:46:55 -0400 To: "Caleb Stein" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Clean up / filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 05:46:57 -0000 Caleb Stein writes: > I'm constantly getting the message, ":/ write failed, filesystem > is full", so I did df, and it said that my / filesystem was at > 108%. What files can I delete to free some space? Start by checking the contents of /tmp. Any *.core in /root you don't recognize is suspect. After that? Try: du -x / | sort -n -r | head -n 40 Look in those directories. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 09:06:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D438D106566C; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:06:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amsibamsi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D5D8FC13; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy27 with SMTP id 27so948097ewy.13 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 02:06:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iYYz3jz2A0KuqYqRsUfkQe4rVdXpG457AB37ZAg5YQY=; b=FDeRJyOZgyQFHUEtYz6Q4PI08UKl6SnsZTr/3OzV8qEvfAoAWoHepSWYRs3irLZxzi n+CwNBGUVXuZE4KUieSB9VzH+/UQiWzdBWU+oRCQCNjRUAr5lXu0m9KKkjPz9pufU7G6 2z4oeJ9oid6C6pAmhMd778jO/ZoeXUhEMuHH8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ZKjqYJRCfTdb7cOK+l9OOf7WnmSO3flhQlQTi2iVMedQMM40Ri0fQICBnwFQ+LFm8A sWjVTPThY+kGbZ0KqMWfLCkkL9S0rdjF9Szoc8J3vRyx4A6R7PtGuWrkMTO2bNo8JntO t4+gnn1QSXAAj2K2LPy7r7516r57dLJU6GWvE= Received: by 10.213.27.76 with SMTP id h12mr550363ebc.60.1286615182869; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 02:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hulk.l.ttyv0.net (80-219-18-72.dclient.hispeed.ch [80.219.18.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q54sm3092230eeh.6.2010.10.09.02.06.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Oct 2010 02:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CB0308B.7070908@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 11:06:19 +0200 From: Anselm Strauss User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20101006 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4CA3B8F5.80904@gmail.com> <201009302138.51616.hselasky@c2i.net> <4CA72917.8060209@gmail.com> <201010021639.11568.hselasky@c2i.net> <4CAE29B8.8010304@gmail.com> <44bp753ejp.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44bp753ejp.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB disk on CS5536 unstable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 09:06:25 -0000 On 10/07/10 22:59, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Anselm Strauss writes: > >> On 10/02/10 16:39, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: >>> On Saturday 02 October 2010 14:44:07 Anselm Strauss wrote: >>>> On 09/30/10 21:38, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: >>>>> On Thursday 30 September 2010 21:10:59 Anselm Strauss wrote: >>>>>> Maybe sending it to just the USB list was too specific ... >>>>>> >>>>>> On 09/30/10 00:08, Anselm Strauss wrote: >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have an ALIX board that has an AMD Geode and the CS5536 companion >>>>>>> chip with integrated USB on it. When I connect a USB disk I have >>>>>>> observed various problems. For example when I run fsck_ufs on a 250 GB >>>>>>> partition the process gets stuck in biord state and fsck reports >>>>>>> unreadable sectors. When I do a dd over the whole disk and direct it >>>>>>> to /dev/null it suddenly returns with no error, but having read only a >>>>>>> small fraction of the disk. I tried it with two different disks and >>>>>>> two different ALIX boards. I'm pretty sure the disks are okay since I >>>>>>> tried them on other hardware. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I know there was some trouble with the chip regarding >>>>>>> timeouts. Under load after some time the USB just stops responding. I >>>>>>> have tried 8.0 and 8.1. Is there any known problem? How can I track >>>>>>> this down? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anselm >>>>> >>>>> If you compile the kernel with USB_DEBUG, then there are some sysctls >>>>> under hw.usb.ehci which you can tweak. Needs to be set before boot. >>>>> >>>>> --HPS >>>> >>>> Did not know that there were configurable bug workarounds in sysctl. >>>> When I set hw.usb.ehci.lostintrbug=1 in /boot/loader.conf the problems >>>> seem gone. >>>> >>>> Without this setting I got the following kernel message when dd did abort: >>>> >>>> ehci_timeout: xfer=0xc29cd3c8 >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Anselm >>> >>> Maybe you can report the PCI vendor ID and product so that we can add this >>> quirk. >>> >>> --HPS >> >> Not sure what a "PCI vendor ID" is and how to determine it. It's a ALIX >> 2d2 from http://pcengines.ch/alix. > > pciconf(8) will tell you. Try sending "pciconf -l" output. -> pciconf -lv hostb0@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x060000 card=0x20801022 chip=0x20801022 rev=0x33 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = 'Conrad Kostecki' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI none0@pci0:0:1:2: class=0x101000 card=0x20821022 chip=0x20821022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = 'Geode GX3 AES Crypto Driver (GX3)' class = encrypt/decrypt vr0@pci0:0:9:0: class=0x020000 card=0x01061106 chip=0x30531106 rev=0x96 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' device = 'Rhine III Management Adapter (VT6105M)' class = network subclass = ethernet vr1@pci0:0:11:0: class=0x020000 card=0x01061106 chip=0x30531106 rev=0x96 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' device = 'Rhine III Management Adapter (VT6105M)' class = network subclass = ethernet ath0@pci0:0:12:0: class=0x020000 card=0x1600185f chip=0x001b168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' device = 'AR5006 family 802.11abg Wireless NIC' class = network subclass = ethernet isab0@pci0:0:15:0: class=0x060100 card=0x20901022 chip=0x20901022 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = 'CS5536 [Geode companion] ISA' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA atapci0@pci0:0:15:2: class=0x010180 card=0x209a1022 chip=0x209a1022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = 'CS5536 IDE Controller (CS5536)' class = mass storage subclass = ATA ohci0@pci0:0:15:4: class=0x0c0310 card=0x20941022 chip=0x20941022 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = 'CS5536 OHCI USB Host Controller (CS5536)' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:0:15:5: class=0x0c0320 card=0x20951022 chip=0x20951022 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)' device = 'CS5536 EHCI USB Host Controller (CS5536)' class = serial bus subclass = USB So I guess it is the last one, the ehci device. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 09:34:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413231065787 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:34:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 027E48FC14 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 81382 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2010 09:34:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1286616859; bh=wtBgxvPQ289c8vgtZPPVe8QHKL5KnSjo+qjbNBfeorc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TSuvnldfD166kBSQ9ln7+17ctDpzGbI2BR5jyFsW61Mm4MRi2aQtePUHQQznBTiVv3++9ubnV4U0vOcdyXVOCorqNZJn68Lqc1/YOStErA8Sk9fQZqQR/zweoyDm9IdyjCBv7/5BuLiPYEBpX6GRi0jtB1yiUJfjPHd8lrHbgus= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ctw1I1tzIIlyNtB62aP53025tNKeSVroAhGeAnBxwy1gybPcEkparm0UgxtLqRsH5v8tWtPnp6BYP7gzgMnmcu2JsJ2y8OFkxIRryrelf5qCm6SavN+6VoxykCQRWcWzc/hOrjn+s1PFK0VcLb4IKkjGmDmkm2sWuGBDR+yu1PY=; Message-ID: <160397.81155.qm@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: VlvgT0EVM1mjUiW73CN70QgUYf8zEgKwirpnYWEHh05.EK. 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I try the whole thing like 20 times and still not wo= rking.=0AI'm not able to boot from the new device, it always says:=0AFreeBS= D/i386 boot=0ADefault: 0: ad(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel=0Aboot:=0ANo /boot/ker= nel/kernel=0A=0ADo you have any other idea?=0Aps: Yes I set the bootflag in= sysinstall -> fdisk and I do pressed 'w' to write =0Athe changes, it says = is ok.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Edward =0ATo: D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 =0ACc: f= reebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0ASent: Thu, September 23, 2010 3:37:42 AM=0AS= ubject: Re: migrate system disk=0A=0A=0A> I have an old HDD which should be= replaced soon, actually that HDD stands as my =0A>=0A> system disk, what i= s your suggesion, how should I migrate the FreeBSD 8.1 from =0A=0A> the old= disk to the new one?=0A=0AI've used to do this a lot for server hardware m= igration, moving from 1=0Aserver to another new server. This blog post reco= rded what I tried & did :=0Ahttp://scratching.psybermonkey.net/2010/01/free= bsd-backup-and-restore-freebsd.html=0A=0A=0ACheck it out,=0AEdward.=0A=0A= =0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 13:00:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B184106566B for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 13:00:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henry.olyer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F988FC14 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 13:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk35 with SMTP id 35so2440510qyk.13 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 06:00:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Ai3tFt8Ps/cS5yBYR50yB7gZ7FGXYdwNGZ+pTeTCNrk=; b=PKN5o2/WIoaWoocfK/nEGRKn2opX4M6Ez2FxgU8rwLUMwJ27HhEZTqDoVpECsjjwGa +DhxCkzWLi+nc3qazv5yTQfTIjwZclJ03OwTiZq7LbYW3p/RLMs/rM0Np/TVb30G6tEa yN/8nSy+9B11ZzAr4/XrpP5TToHr58xUrI36Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=UHcVOLYyOPy7vyHYNQQOHxX81MTbAcw9ii/jwd4TP0Qp6oUNVDDUZ/G4E6l7mftflL Ly7qPrq7bR+6ZBTktEOgxh2ARS2Z3Kj8oGz+uT7GNeeO1NytZ4cOZ/BSOTjY/iOn9D+V uSRvbTMaSPoGIDNV5e26MDViDkVIgVBwtztMs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.185.145 with SMTP id co17mr2620568qab.251.1286627432767; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 05:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.97.78 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 05:30:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101009014310.O2036@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <4CAFF3C8.30703@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 08:30:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: Henry Olyer To: Rob Farmer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions , Jarrod Slick Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo is having a good laugh .. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:00:18 -0000 I'm not sure which writer said it, but whoever it is who started that paragraph with "Kinda wish you..." you sir are the problem. Not just a problem for us FreeBSDer's, but also for American's. You probably don't see yourself that way. I understand that. But what you are doing is surrilous. That's when instead of making the points underlying your position you resort to name calling and bad mouthing. Disagree? Well, re-read what you wrote. See what I mean? So stop. On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 21:47, Jarrod Slick wrote: > > @rob, > > > > Kinda wish you would make a video wherein you read your above statement > from > > a teleprompter with a green-screened American flag billowing in the > > background. You might want to add in a statement about your deep respect > > and admiration for the troops, though. To add in even more of that good > ol' > > fashioned American [self-]righteousness you could even, in a senseless > spat > > of litigiousness, DMCA yourself and have the video removed from whatever > > third-party site you decide to post it on. > > > > Oh, and disclaimer . . . I'm an American. > > > > Anyhow, I'll go back to lurking. > > > > You can imply that I'm a nationalistic jackass all you like, but the > fact still remains that nobody has presented an argument (well > reasoned and coherent or otherwise) for why FreeBSD wouldn't be > subject to the EAR or why changing the license for this code would > make one bit of difference (beyond public relations). > > -- > Rob Farmer > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 13:33:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59528106566B for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 13:33:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AFD48FC13 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 13:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27718 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2010 13:33:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1286631203; bh=l7Piw8lDKXR92YhNCinWk3ocbXT79WAQAnmx6fzGmpk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yoVU3wJ8Duwp/iKnijwhHIPAiIkYMhoclpDJL3HQxsaCDDDprXVO5WcgOIoFOfDOL8IISzIaS3v/PhbnRZDWus1SgZiG/uOABMF2ddWkNEAGEAmrxy/R0qb2fUbi1rlIoU/ztKqnAFd+7jv5KDI7AIYIDnAK5MZUKAgjaGtxXNI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VeCaBAeOCYlXEpkGXvHOISbZuUv28kuW/vtXv2j3avIKwtqIO8Q7Xd80jPLFvShWm775UCnqC8he2UYFUed15KPoZxV7Lrh1EsobLZsUB+JbEO6otT6NmY+ahuZnqOsSA8T6NlkW5F0W6BHUELDk8pqEGMM51r/ul9UWHJrvVLM=; Message-ID: <467646.97510.qm@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: rhwA440VM1mzgAurZYqf9zMluGPs6sjqyJOt5c8ijxrlwIe SuDRuWNA_7uVB3KQX0JBeq.3rN7qisffux3BUkjAhMNkQt8REHCrlEXRTbxw Jn9ticAqmEye_DGDrhXFQCOZMtOGfa2HI1rXUYPyrL_YKlxQBFCrmrTs_Dgq 0MgN7CvxYWv_Y7.0l4031NCiBHiiLsgCoegFneWfc_F8_wCHURuOcCkB3xui jRpuFvFe.J8b4wZYpOoWBWqdih7Fi8tjEuPV1YwvnHO7F2jykIkVJeLg5X45 hj7XIMbSx3xjm1iAGhRwZEoCR_rnNMoUP6XIqjsdXhdYZT82zYnhl0O5HnS4 Q Received: from [78.131.57.57] by web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 06:33:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/504.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.106.282862 References: <447149.36059.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C9AAF66.9050308@rdtan.net> <160397.81155.qm@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 06:33:23 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <160397.81155.qm@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: migrate system disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:33:24 -0000 ok, solved!=0A=0Add if=3D/dev/0 of=3D/dev/ad6 (new hdd) bs=3D512 count=3D10= 24=0Aboot from old hdd=0Anewfs /dev/ad6s1a (new hdd)=0Amc -> copy /old_hdd = excluding /dev /proc /mnt /tmp=0Aboot new hdd=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________= _________________=0AFrom: D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 =0ATo: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0ASent: Sat, October 9, 2010 11:34:1= 8 AM=0ASubject: Re: migrate system disk=0A=0A=0A=0AOkay, I give up! I try t= he whole thing like 20 times and still not working.=0AI'm not able to boot = from the new device, it always says:=0AFreeBSD/i386 boot=0ADefault: 0: ad(0= ,a)/boot/kernel/kernel=0Aboot:=0ANo /boot/kernel/kernel=0A=0ADo you have an= y other idea?=0Aps: Yes I set the bootflag in sysinstall -> fdisk and I do = pressed 'w' to write =0Athe changes, it says is ok.=0A=0A=0A=0A____________= ____________________=0AFrom: Edward =0ATo: D=E1nielisz L= =E1szl=F3 =0ACc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org= =0ASent: Thu, September 23, 2010 3:37:42 AM=0ASubject: Re: migrate system d= isk=0A=0A=0A> I have an old HDD which should be replaced soon, actually tha= t HDD stands as my =0A>=0A>=0A> system disk, what is your suggesion, how sh= ould I migrate the FreeBSD 8.1 from =0A=0A=0A> the old disk to the new one?= =0A=0AI've used to do this a lot for server hardware migration, moving from= 1=0Aserver to another new server. This blog post recorded what I tried & d= id :=0Ahttp://scratching.psybermonkey.net/2010/01/freebsd-backup-and-restor= e-freebsd.html=0A=0A=0A=0ACheck it out,=0AEdward.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________= ____________________________________=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailin= g list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0ATo u= nsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A= =0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 16:47:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC28106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:47:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA968FC16 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1so512003vws.13 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 09:47:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.181.205 with SMTP id bz13mr1181713vcb.135.1286642824778; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 09:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.188.3 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:47:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.183] In-Reply-To: References: <20101009014310.O2036@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <4CAFF3C8.30703@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:47:04 -0700 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Henry Olyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions , Jarrod Slick Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo is having a good laugh .. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:47:06 -0000 On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 05:30, Henry Olyer wrote: > I'm not sure which writer said it, but whoever it is who started that > paragraph with "Kinda wish you..." you sir are the problem.=A0 Not just a > problem for us FreeBSDer's, but also for American's. While we are analyzing people's behavior, please don't top-post. > > You probably don't see yourself that way.=A0 I understand that.=A0 But wh= at you > are doing is surrilous.=A0 That's when instead of making the points under= lying "Surrilous" isn't an English word, nor an obvious typo of one, so I have no idea what you mean here. > your position you resort to name calling and bad mouthing. Any "name calling" I may have done was only after many other people did it first - the only difference is every message I've sent has the list CC'd. > > Disagree?=A0 Well, re-read what you wrote.=A0 See what I mean? I *still* see no explaination of why the EAR doesn't apply or why I am wrong - just tangents about my world view, etc. The only other person who actually addressed the issue of US export laws, Robert Bonomi, largely agreed with me. Is this an overly restrictive and outdated law? Probably, but it still exists. --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 16:59:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008851065672 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caleb.stein@me.com) Received: from asmtpout023.mac.com (asmtpout023.mac.com [17.148.16.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE4B8FC1D for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:59:05 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from win7x64.mshome.net ([67.183.141.251]) by asmtp023.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0LA100G618IGXT90@asmtp023.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 09:59:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=5 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1010090095 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-10-09_02:2010-10-08, 2010-10-09, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <19632.463.52069.211565@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 09:58:56 -0700 From: Caleb Stein Message-id: In-reply-to: <19632.463.52069.211565@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.70 (Win32) Subject: Re: Clean up / filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:59:06 -0000 On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:46:55 -0700, Robert Huff wrote: > > Caleb Stein writes: > >> I'm constantly getting the message, ":/ write failed, filesystem >> is full", so I did df, and it said that my / filesystem was at >> 108%. What files can I delete to free some space? > > Start by checking the contents of /tmp. > Any *.core in /root you don't recognize is suspect. > After that? Try: > > du -x / | sort -n -r | head -n 40 > > Look in those directories. > > > Robert Huff > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" So is it safe to do "rm -rf /tmp/*"? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 17:01:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739B8106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neil@cymru.com) Received: from obelisk11.ord01.cymru.com (obelisk11.ord01.cymru.com [38.229.66.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4367A8FC19 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.251.100] (vpn-72-38.svcs.ord07.cymru.com [172.16.72.38]) by obelisk11.ord01.cymru.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5F2B0254 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:32:12 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <48B7001E-CA3B-43FC-8DC3-499005F259AF@cymru.com> From: Neil Long To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <878w4svp18.fsf@cjlinux.localnet> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--902914745; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:32:10 +0100 References: <878w4svp18.fsf@cjlinux.localnet> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: IPv6 rtadv on FreeBSD 8.1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:01:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail-6--902914745 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not specifically related but I just worked around an issue with a Dell laptop with the xl0 interface which has problems with 8.1. I was experimenting with a IPv6 setup and used an old PC (big and noisy) with the smallest install of 8.1. It worked fine as the tunnel server and ipv6 gateway (using rtadvd). I have an old laptop which is quieter and smaller and again installed the minimum 8.1 and used the same config (with rl0 changed to xl0). It worked fine for its own ipv6 traffic but another test box failed to get packets routed. After much head scratching I gave up on 8.1 and installed 7.3 ( I have all the FreeBSD Mall subscriptions going back years) and no more problems with xl0. Something changed with 8.1 which xl0 does not like while rl0 or re0 interfaces are happy it seems (on the other box). I haven't tried any debugging, sorry. Just thought I would mention it in case someone else has issues :-) Thanks Neil On 30 Jul 2010, at 18:48, Carl Johnson wrote: > I have running versions of 7.3 and 8.0, so I tried experimenting with > 8.1 in VirtualBox, but I ran into a couple of problems. I have an 8.0 > system that is running a IPv6 tunnel to sixxs.net, and it is running > rtadvd to act as the gatway for my network. On the 8.1 system I > enabled IPv6 in rc.conf, but it is not picking up the advertised > address. I can add it manually, and have put it in rc.local for now, > but it seems it should work automatically as my others do. I noticed > that the ifconfig output shows a new line that is not in 8.0: > nd6 options=3 > > Is there something that has changed in 8.1 that I have to enable, or > is there a problem with 8.1? IPv6 is working to the extent that it > did assign a link-local address, and I can use that address as long as > I specify the interface. My configuration is the same, and I didn't > have to enable anything on the others to get the global address > assigned automatically. > > Thanks for any advice. > -- > Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > -- Neil Long, Team Cymru http://www.cymru.com | +1 630 230 5422 | neil@cymru.com --Apple-Mail-6--902914745-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 17:05:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068F9106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:05:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0F78FC08 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so2578538iwn.13 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.77 with SMTP id o13mr3404214ibk.36.1286643936506; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:05:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.166.77 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 10:05:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 13:05:16 -0400 Message-ID: To: Caleb Stein Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Clean up / filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:05:37 -0000 On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Caleb Stein wrote: > I'm constantly getting the message, ":/ write failed, filesystem is full"= , > so I did df, and it said that my / filesystem was at 108%. =C2=A0What fil= es can I > delete to free some space? du -chx / to view all and their sizes you might want to use du -cx /|sort to view them largest to smallest. --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 17:06:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A121065674 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:06:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709DD8FC16 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy27 with SMTP id 27so1092781ewy.13 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:06:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=G9jk/0uld22d1X2yENnKjh8zcRc43pVZ+0ltzvHuq2o=; b=DPttUwlLWcIR4zZWf4NIP3AZkx+z5WM8jKLkkn/GG88EqoP3StJ+L4JfGEPXjLVXFd REqobN2zNCCTvquo1ffuiCNx6eF7QTGJhe+Do5d17ljTP295HvOon0jU3xWn8QcatVzq 7UbgijbXG+OtILa/JAHEuLKg3fjr+52gC2bnk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=CaOAckkhJNWNUhTwgHCN/ULReojGyDI9JR4QXLm2EqBnAVcfk2sJlu/LQdt8dfQr0t 2IfSP+DAdo8uW9CUBaHi0gpnxNfjIlpSicsSBiic7fjZUf8/FHC6fk6DOvgiVqV3KzeK nWSAPmEQD6XetGJMhOWX3vyTmnO+OQhKJ9Mwg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.13.142 with SMTP id c14mr2356948eba.84.1286643969052; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.47.14 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 10:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:06:09 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo is having a good laugh .. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:06:11 -0000 >"Surrilous" isn't an English word, nor an obvious typo of one, so I >have no idea what you mean here. He probably meant "scurrilous", which seems obvious to me. Look, can we move on now? Yes, export restrictions will apply, in the U.S. and -- what seems to have been overlooked in this thread -- _elsewhere_, regardless of the license text. The Canadians who were commenting unfavorably on U.S. laws may want to look over their own controls, http://www.international.gc.ca/controls-controles/assets/pdfs/documents/exportcontrols2007-en.pdf which leave them open to prosecution if they are exporting some software that might appear innocuous. The same can be said for many other countries. We're not going to resolve these problems in this thread. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 17:21:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A66D106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:21:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward8.mail.yandex.net (forward8.mail.yandex.net [77.88.61.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E50F8FC14 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp8.mail.yandex.net (smtp8.mail.yandex.net [77.88.61.54]) by forward8.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 838A016F0361 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 21:05:47 +0400 (MSD) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1286643947; bh=EKTs/DoLbrQrToeIzyCctH4Zu922q1deo02d5y6EbwM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Xr/nqDajLe9ke1RC0jKGcsKB97jpTU+YbZIEMvMadC5WP1m3aXD9j8OHjJi+u/3Tt o4nJxyNOlZMTMw1KdXCIBgu8LW0qhJ1Vs6n4AtuiYeWJRA0s/BD+b0HTkzD+sb4+5x QHZaiIbO1SMKdYTcezVl4xTccBmQizNIF5DAgH8Y= Received: from kes.in (unknown [77.93.42.18]) by smtp8.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 135F8202808E for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 21:05:47 +0400 (MSD) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:05:48 +0300 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <783674951.20101009200548@yandex.ru> To: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1286643947 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp8.mail.yandex.net Subject: How to obtain which interrupts cause system to hang? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:21:15 -0000 Hello, all. #systat -v 1 users Load 0.74 0.71 0.55 Oct 9 19:53 Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER Tot Share Tot Share Free in out in out Act 344564 20024 682912 25008 666084 count All 365928 20456 1074476k 26504 pages Proc: Interrupts r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt 24 cow 2008 total 2 3 39 23k 67 563 9 1710 47 15 zfod 9 ata0 irq14 ozfod nfe0 irq23 23.1%Sys 50.8%Intr 1.3%User 0.0%Nice 24.8%Idle %ozfod 1999 cpu0: time | | | | | | | | | | | daefr ============+++++++++++++++++++++++++> 6 prcfr 2 dtbuf 38 totfr Namei Name-cache Dir-cache 100000 desvn react Calls hits % hits % 85834 numvn pdwak 142 142 100 24988 frevn pdpgs intrn Disks ad0 257868 wire KB/t 15.48 312852 act tps 11 785308 inact MB/s 0.16 468 cache %busy 1 665636 free #top last pid: 24571; load averages: 0.10, 0.49, 0.50 up 0+19:15:01 19:56:36 42 processes: 3 running, 39 sleeping CPU: 0.7% user, 0.0% nice, 21.0% system, 36.3% interrupt, 41.9% idle Mem: 305M Active, 767M Inact, 252M Wired, 468K Cache, 213M Buf, 650M Free Swap: 4063M Total, 4063M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU COMMAND 1054 bind 4 4 0 134M 109M kqread 0:51 0.00% named 986 root 1 44 0 5692K 1408K RUN 0:50 0.00% syslogd 1162 clamav 1 4 0 4616K 1468K accept 0:46 0.00% smtp-gated 11731 clamav 1 20 0 27948K 9728K pause 0:03 0.00% freshclam 11791 root 1 -58 0 7848K 4120K bpf 0:02 0.00% arpwatch 13208 root 1 44 0 10700K 4144K select 0:01 0.00% sendmail 13298 root 1 8 0 6748K 1440K nanslp 0:00 0.00% cron 12802 root 1 44 0 22880K 4004K select 0:00 0.00% sshd How to obtain what nasty happen, which process take 36-50% of CPU resource? -- mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 17:22:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E35E106566C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540F68FC28 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk35 with SMTP id 35so2620489qyk.13 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:21:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.59.36 with SMTP id j36mr2788301qah.284.1286644918330; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.188.3 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 10:21:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.183] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 10:21:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: bf1783@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo is having a good laugh .. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:22:03 -0000 On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:06, b. f. wrote: > We're not going to resolve these problems in this > thread. Certainly. I will drop this issue - in fact, I largely did so after my conversation with Gonzalo Nemmi; however, people kept sending me stuff off list so I felt compelled to address some of it. (For example, the one about making a video and DMCAing it was only re-posted to the list after it was sent to me and I publicly replied). -- Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 17:27:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E836C1065673 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:27:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754DC8FC0A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o99HReuo006273; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:27:41 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o99HReNZ006252; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:27:40 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C981933C1F; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:27:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:27:39 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Hac Phan Message-ID: <20101009172739.GA47983@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20101009020948.GB91654@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101009020948.GB91654@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot loader/kernel error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:27:44 -0000 On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 07:09:48PM -0700, Hac Phan wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm having trouble with a machine that was recently rebooted and will no longer > boot correctly. > > The boot process hangs with the following screen: > Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf It sounds like there is something in /boot/loader.conf, or another file that is sourced by /boot/defaults/loader.conf that it doesn't like. > - > > The cursor does not move and no other text is displayed. After about 10 minutes, > the boot finishes (without the splash screen) and displays the login prompt. I > tried to login but it timed out after 300 seconds. > > The server was using a custom built kernel. I tried to get the GENERIC kernel > from the livefs ISO and restore it via FIXIT console, but I realized that I > actually don't know how to do that... > > So how do I go about fixing this? Thanks in advance. > -- I'd try and boot into single user mode and edit the offending file: maybe comment out the various lines until you find the line that's causing the problem. I think that as you can get to a login prompt, you should be able to boot single user and shouldn't have to bother with the CD. Touch wood, I've never had a problem that required booting external media to fix, so I can't help you in that department. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 17:38:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286FA106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEDC8FC0C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o99Hcf27023109; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:38:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4CB0A8A1.5040904@qeng-ho.org> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 18:38:41 +0100 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20101007 Thunderbird/3.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Caleb Stein References: <19632.463.52069.211565@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Clean up / filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:38:44 -0000 On 10/09/10 17:58, Caleb Stein wrote: > On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:46:55 -0700, Robert Huff wrote: [Full /tmp discussion snipped] > > So is it safe to do "rm -rf /tmp/*"? Not if running an X desktop, as all sorts of things get stuck in /tmp that are needed. In single user mode it should be safe, and it probably is when simply running on the console. As a long term solution, if you wish to clear /tmp every reboot add clear_tmp_enable="YES" # Clear /tmp at startup. to your /etc/rc.conf -- "Although the wombat is real and the dragon is not, few know what a wombat looks like, but everyone knows what a dragon looks like." -- Avram Davidson, _Adventures in Unhistory_ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 17:39:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DFD10656C2 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:39:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F284F8FC1B for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so367750ywh.13 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:39:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fvg+h1mRESScregUgo9kjUeFsEFJc4MgYHfTTbnc+ew=; b=tQYek9SwYlYFABAxJPPLgvBnwA8XKrs8NAyoKU9fSa6TCDwYGP3HjsHfp2EaqVsugl n6/XberuRI0TOAiKVnuCi4DEev63huv+7R96/KVTcPhY7ayjzebB5zCtE352STAewRqo /agDf/WSm/kNjHnrBmKQzspZPIh1C+LrMq0cM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ELPP8ZC6DOljHMIh2EBE6XBPxbFn9wEeN1TRnje/GV4U8Xz6mAJkcA6FOiMbA8dR5U QFBIKSRDKC8ni8jcIxGua9HyRZ+f+HkmM7ndxylLS2h95G7lJ80x0U3S461Zww8RdHrx P5xoYzWzU1sUZIwcJ62eUa94loi26u6O8fuiM= Received: by 10.101.14.3 with SMTP id r3mr1602360ani.259.1286645956073; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host211.190-230-73.telecom.net.ar [190.230.73.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c32sm5404696anc.21.2010.10.09.10.39.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CB0A8BF.6050204@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:39:11 -0300 From: Gonzalo Nemmi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; es-AR; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bf1783@gmail.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "b. f." , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo is having a good laugh .. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:39:18 -0000 El 09/10/2010 02:06 p.m., b. f. escribió: >> "Surrilous" isn't an English word, nor an obvious typo of one, so I >> have no idea what you mean here. > > He probably meant "scurrilous", which seems obvious to me. Look, can > we move on now? Yes, export restrictions will apply, in the U.S. and > -- what seems to have been overlooked in this thread -- _elsewhere_, Not really ... _elsewhere_ was always on my mind as the lincese also applies to re-exports from a foreign destination... > regardless of the license text. The Canadians who were commenting > unfavorably on U.S. laws may want to look over their own controls, > > http://www.international.gc.ca/controls-controles/assets/pdfs/documents/exportcontrols2007-en.pdf They already know: http://www.openbsd.com/crypto.html#why "The cryptographic software components which we use currently were written in Argentina, Australia, Canada, Germany, Greece, Norway, and Sweden." The fact that Argentina´s "Jefatura de Gabinete de Ministros" is hosting a mirror is not a coincidence: ftp://openbsd.noc.jgm.gov.ar/pub/OpenBSD > which leave them open to prosecution if they are exporting some > software that might appear innocuous. The same can be said for many > other countries. We're not going to resolve these problems in this > thread. > > > b. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 17:49:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC23106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:49:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mailhost.ssr.com (mailhost.ssr.com [199.4.235.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E274E8FC0A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 84974 invoked by uid 103); 9 Oct 2010 17:46:23 -0000 Date: 9 Oct 2010 17:46:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20101009174623.84973.qmail@ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: No Sound FBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:49:27 -0000 Hi, Running FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE (GENERIC) (amd64) ASUS P6T6 MB # kldload snd_driver # cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2009061500/amd64) Installed devices: pcm0: (play/rec) default pcm1: (play) pcm2: (play) pcm3: (play) pcm4: (play) Using Gnome desktop, trying to play various mp3 files and video files results in the mp3 player, video player running, but not sound produced on either the speaker outputs or headphone. Here is mixer output: Mixer vol is currently set to 75:75 Mixer pcm is currently set to 75:75 Mixer speaker is currently set to 75:75 Mixer line is currently set to 75:75 Mixer mic is currently set to 0:0 Mixer cd is currently set to 75:75 Mixer mix is currently set to 0:0 Mixer rec is currently set to 75:75 Mixer igain is currently set to 0:0 Mixer monitor is currently set to 75:75 Recording source: mic I'm not new to Freebsd, but this is the first time I've tried to get sound working on it. Any help would be very appreciated. Thanks, Scott -- sdb@ssr.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 17:58:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4245C106566C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email1.allantgroup.com (email1.emsphone.com [199.67.51.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18F38FC12 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email1.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id o99HwaG3016140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 12:58:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o99HwaVD077983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 12:58:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o99HwaAE077982; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 12:58:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 12:58:36 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Hac Phan Message-ID: <20101009175835.GA12910@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20101009020948.GB91654@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101009020948.GB91654@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96 at email1.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email1.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Sat, 09 Oct 2010 12:58:36 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot loader/kernel error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:58:41 -0000 In the last episode (Oct 08), Hac Phan said: > I'm having trouble with a machine that was recently rebooted and will no > longer boot correctly. > > The boot process hangs with the following screen: > Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf > - > > The cursor does not move and no other text is displayed. After about 10 > minutes, the boot finishes (without the splash screen) and displays the > login prompt. I tried to login but it timed out after 300 seconds. That behaviour is consistent with having a serial console setup in /boot/loader.conf . As soon as the loader sees "console=comconsole", it will switch its output and the kernel's output to com1. If com1 doesn't exist, it will take a long time to boot. When the kernel finally finishes, init still start a getty on the physical console, which is when you see the login prompt. If you can boot your fixit CD and get the root filessytem mountd read/write, try commenting out that comconsole line. Most bad loader.conf problems can be fixed by hitting space just before the loader starts up the kernel and unsetting the bad variable, but "comconsole" is one of the commands that it runs immediately, and I don't think you can stop the loader from parsing loader.conf. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 18:21:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DA21065674 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:21:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arvid.warnecke@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D7A8FC0C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz6 with SMTP id 6so1747835bwz.13 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 11:21:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=4MA7GWEjv3O9MGSeRiMMbtsLmn50fnlr5siudkUYVH8=; b=ZlZmsUA5bwYBKRFN18vi8tiB8nj01yHppWNzogap158v7QQYnfgVidNQs839fFLn2W TOAgBUexgJ6aZS9ek7K3jUKAnResMvdU5iJ9TpyAEWb95Vu984YVe4DwT8iZiaVKByRH ARMyXByoaHhaR2SuOq2nk2UibCqAEQeCIGacs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=GnDzyCfA7eJe5WIKl1ag+9uY4yMOAoYPtxhZUhMnms7t+px4STZ7ut8bIdmBzE2gkS TCHq08Zi/iTF9cnfDPOWye5p0gneP7qIIjsqY+y9umfAIv1q4RmBCbHsxZQiRP67cqSV IVZV319wahbA0MoUufsBwbvrHlp/wy8VbJ/Ss= Received: by 10.204.148.67 with SMTP id o3mr3028558bkv.208.1286646928413; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (188-192-198-19-dynip.superkabel.de [188.192.198.19]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p34sm1647007bkf.15.2010.10.09.10.55.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 19:55:38 +0200 From: Arvid Warnecke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101009175535.GA1567@hogwarts.local> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Which OS for notebook X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 18:21:49 -0000 Hello, On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 01:11:30AM -0300, Leandro F Silva wrote: > Which OS are you using on your notebook, FreeBSD / Linux or MAC ? > Also, can you tell us the hardware, Sony / HP etc.. > Right now I use Mac OSX on my MacBook Pro and FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE on my IBM/Lenovo T60 Notebook. The only issue I have with FreeBSD is the configuration for suspend/resume and battery lifetime (the big battery lasts for ca. 3,5 hours). Everything else works fine. I have been thinking about FreeBSD on the Macbook Pro dual booting (I need Mac OSX for photography software), but I am not sure if the hardware will be supported that well. Cheers, Arvid From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 18:32:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F7C106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dteske@vicor.com) Received: from postoffice.vicor.com (postoffice.vicor.com [69.26.56.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AFA8FC13 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [71.202.142.31] (port=61914 helo=[192.168.1.149]) by postoffice.vicor.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P4eDi-00054a-2X; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 11:32:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 11:32:33 -0700 Message-Id: References: <19632.463.52069.211565@jerusalem.litteratus.org> To: Caleb Stein X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Scan-Signature: 685696f050aa934fba739621922f2ea4 X-Scan-Host: postoffice.vicor.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Clean up / filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 18:32:46 -0000 On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Caleb Stein wrote: > On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:46:55 -0700, Robert Huff = wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> Caleb Stein writes: >>=20 >>> I'm constantly getting the message, ":/ write failed, filesystem >>> is full", so I did df, and it said that my / filesystem was at >>> 108%. What files can I delete to free some space? >>=20 >> Start by checking the contents of /tmp. >> Any *.core in /root you don't recognize is suspect. >> After that? Try: >>=20 >> du -x / | sort -n -r | head -n 40 >>=20 >> Look in those directories. >>=20 >>=20 >> Robert Huff >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 > So is it safe to do "rm -rf /tmp/*"? Generally yes, though it's always safest to check to make sure you're = not deleting any files that actively held open by running processes. You = can do this by: fstat -f /tmp (or if /tmp is not it's own filesystem -- if it lives on the `/' = partition that is) fstat | grep /tmp If you a find a process that has open file descriptors in `/tmp', you = can do two things: 1. You can kill the process (the third column in the output of fstat(1) = is the process ID or PID). Continue until no processes are left holding = open file-descriptors in `/tmp'. Then it would be safe to wipe = everything in that directory. 2. You can avoid removing the files that are open. The sixth column in = the output of fstat(1) is the inode/inum of the file on the device/mount = (the device/mount column is the fifth column, just to the left of the = inode/inum column). You can descend into `/tmp' and say `ls -li' to show = the inode numbers, or you can say `find /tmp -inum INODE' to find the = associated file. You would want to avoid deleting that file because a = running process has it open. In addition, there's an alternative way to clear the temporary files of = a system (FreeBSD-5.0 and higher): =09 (as root or with sudo(8)) sh -c 'clear_tmp_enable=3DYES; = /etc/rc.d/cleartmp start' NOTE: Unless you've customized your rc.conf(5) files to change the = defaults, clear_tmp_enable defaults to "NO" and clear_tmp_X defaults to = "YES" (see `/etc/defaults/rc.conf'), so passing a "start" to this rc.d = script will (by default) only clear out the X related temporary files = located in `/tmp', whereas the above command will get the rc.d script to = a full cleanup of `/tmp' (regardless of whether you've customized = rc.conf(5) or not). The rc.d script (cleartmp) _does_ do a slightly more sophisticated = clean-up of the `/tmp' directory in that it will not kill-off the = `lost+found' directory if it exists, and will also ignore = `quota.user'/`quota.group' files. Lastly, it will recreate the X11 = socket directories (`.X11-unix', `.ICE-unix', `.XIM-unix', and = `.font-unix'). In addition, the above command is better in that it will clean up files = beginning with `.' whereas your command which only specified "rm -Rf = /tmp/*" won't get files that begin with `.' (of which there may be = numerous). Last but not least, if your system is running XFree86 or Xorg, running = either the "rm -Rf /tmp/*" -or- the cleartmp rc.d script is bad while = the X server is running since it might cause the running X server to = lose its mind (these are lock-files in `/tmp' that shouldn't be removed = while the server is running). Again, fstat(1) is your friend. Though, = alternatively you could bring the X server down temporarily, clear = `/tmp' however you prefer, and then restart the `X' server. If this is all too overwhelming, you could always safely just clear = `/tmp' and then immediately reboot. Or, plop clear_tmp_enable=3D"YES" = into rc.conf(5), reboot, and the system will clear `/tmp' for you on = boot-up. -- Devin (full sig at bottom) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Cheers, Devin Teske -> CONTACT INFORMATION <- Business Solutions Consultant II FIS - fisglobal.com 510-735-5650 Mobile 510-621-2038 Office 510-621-2020 Office Fax 909-477-4578 Home/Fax devin.teske@fisglobal.com -> LEGAL DISCLAIMER <- This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. 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To: kes-kes@yandex.ru Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: How to obtain which interrupts cause system to hang? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 18:45:09 -0000 > How to obtain what nasty happen, which process take 36-50% of CPU > resource? It partly depends upon the version of the OS that you are running, your hardware, and your configuration. 2008 interrupts/sec is high, but not improbably so, for kern.hz>=1000, and not beyond the capabilities of today's average computer, although it may not be optimal for your workloads. So it may not actually be a problem with too many interrupts, but rather with some erroneous system accounting. This can happen, for example, if your computer is using some of the deeper power-saving C-states, but using them poorly, as for example in: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2010-August/019383.html So you may want to examine, and perhaps adjust, your choice of kernel timers, kern.hz, and power-saving settings. Device polling can also be a factor, if you are using it. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 18:57:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FD5106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@wallnet.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89A58FC15 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tim-kellerss-macbook-pro.local (springfling73.org [96.57.143.21]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0LA100A0XCM4J560@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:27:40 -0400 From: Tim Kellers In-reply-to: <20101009174623.84973.qmail@ssr.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <4CB0B41C.9060802@wallnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20101009174623.84973.qmail@ssr.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 Subject: Re: No Sound FBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 18:57:41 -0000 On 10/9/10 1:46 PM, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > Hi, > > Running FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE (GENERIC) (amd64) > ASUS P6T6 MB > > # kldload snd_driver > # cat /dev/sndstat > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2009061500/amd64) > Installed devices: > pcm0: (play/rec) default > pcm1: (play) > pcm2: (play) > pcm3: (play) > pcm4: (play) > > Using Gnome desktop, trying to play various mp3 files and video files > results in the mp3 player, video player running, but not sound > produced on either the speaker outputs or headphone. > > Here is mixer output: > > Mixer vol is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer pcm is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer speaker is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer line is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer mic is currently set to 0:0 > Mixer cd is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer mix is currently set to 0:0 > Mixer rec is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer igain is currently set to 0:0 > Mixer monitor is currently set to 75:75 > Recording source: mic > > > I'm not new to Freebsd, but this is the first time I've tried to get > sound working on it. Any help would be very appreciated. > > Thanks, > Scott I had a similar problem with 8.1 (although it turned out not to be version specific) on a 64 bit Gateway desktop computer. It was a bit of a pain to determine what the correct device .ko that had to be loaded to make the sound work. I use kde4, but the player utilities, when I loaded any audio file (including desktop sound-effects) all said they were running but the speakers remained mute. mixer output was exactly as your's shown above. I finally kldload(ed) snd_* and went through the list of the loaded modules until I eliminated useless loaded modules and found the one that actually let the sound files play. It was a pain in the butt, but it worked. What does kldstat say for your .ko loaded sound files? Tim Kellers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 18:59:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3A71065673 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:59:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dteske@vicor.com) Received: from postoffice.vicor.com (postoffice.vicor.com [69.26.56.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509198FC16 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [71.202.142.31] (port=61947 helo=[192.168.1.149]) by postoffice.vicor.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P4edX-0005Ie-70; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 11:59:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: <20101009175835.GA12910@dan.emsphone.com> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 11:59:14 -0700 Message-Id: <418CD5AF-A9F5-41BA-96C4-8E11BC5B59FB@vicor.com> References: <20101009020948.GB91654@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> <20101009175835.GA12910@dan.emsphone.com> To: Dan Nelson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Scan-Signature: f0579e9e1bd2c380568564df96d2cc64 X-Scan-Host: postoffice.vicor.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Hac Phan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot loader/kernel error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 18:59:20 -0000 On Oct 9, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Oct 08), Hac Phan said: >> I'm having trouble with a machine that was recently rebooted and will = no >> longer boot correctly. >>=20 >> The boot process hangs with the following screen: >> Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf >> - >>=20 >> The cursor does not move and no other text is displayed. After about = 10 >> minutes, the boot finishes (without the splash screen) and displays = the >> login prompt. I tried to login but it timed out after 300 seconds. >=20 > That behaviour is consistent with having a serial console setup in > /boot/loader.conf . As soon as the loader sees "console=3Dcomconsole", = it > will switch its output and the kernel's output to com1. If com1 = doesn't > exist, it will take a long time to boot. When the kernel finally = finishes, > init still start a getty on the physical console, which is when you = see the > login prompt. If you can boot your fixit CD and get the root = filessytem > mountd read/write, try commenting out that comconsole line. >=20 > Most bad loader.conf problems can be fixed by hitting space just = before the > loader starts up the kernel and unsetting the bad variable, but = "comconsole" > is one of the commands that it runs immediately, and I don't think you = can > stop the loader from parsing loader.conf. In `/boot/loader.rc', I'm reviewing the ANS FICL (that's `Forth Inspired = Command Language') and I see that it does indeed parse = `/boot/loader.con' before throwing up the menu (once the menu is up, = then you can escape to the loader prompt by selecting the appropriate = numeric option -- in the new loader, the old loader you simply had to = press space-bar during the count-down to boot). The bread-crumbs in `/boot/loader.rc' lead us off to `/boot/loader.4th' = if you want to know precisely how `/boot/loader.conf' is read into the = environment (note: real work for `comconsole=3Dblah' is done in = `/boot/support.4th' in the chain: include_conf_files -> load_conf -> = process_conf -> process_assignment -> set_environment_variable; and the = last part of that chain reveals that the internal FICL word `set' is = used to set an environment variable, so comconsole should be visible at = the interactive prompt via the `show' keyword). So, in reality, one ought to be able to do the following to deconfigure = the comconsole setting... 1. Boot up the machine 2. Interrupt the boot loader (older FreeBSD, hit space, newer menu-based = loader, choose the menu option to escape to the loader prompt) 3. Enter: show 4. Verify that comconsole is set (because loader.rc shows us = `/boot/loader.conf' is loaded before the menu is thrown up) 5. Enter: unset comconsole 6. Enter: show 7. Verify that comconsole is no longer set 8. Enter: boot NOTE: If you prefer to boot into single-user mode, enter instead: boot = -s NOTE: Boot should no longer be dumping to serial and instead you should = see a normal boot process on the console. 9. Login and change /boot/loader.conf to remove comconsole=3D... NOTE: I do realize that in /boot/loader.4th, the FICL native `boot' = keyword has been overridden, but it doesn't appear that anything is = munged in the environment prior to execution of the loaded kernel, so = the kernel should inherit the environment variables just as they appear = when `show' is executed at the loader prompt. -- Devin (full sig at bottom) >=20 > --=20 > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Cheers, Devin Teske -> CONTACT INFORMATION <- Business Solutions Consultant II FIS - fisglobal.com 510-735-5650 Mobile 510-621-2038 Office 510-621-2020 Office Fax 909-477-4578 Home/Fax devin.teske@fisglobal.com -> LEGAL DISCLAIMER <- This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. 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Any help would be very appreciated. > > Thanks, > Scott > -- Just a guess, but does: # sysctl hw.snd.default_unit=1 help? If so, you can set it permanently in /etc/sysctl.conf Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 19:15:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA391106566B for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 19:15:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C978FC18 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 19:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 09 Oct 2010 15:15:25 -0400 Received: from mx04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (mx04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.54]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.1.9-GA) with ESMTP id AMO36806; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:14:44 -0400 Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 09 Oct 2010 15:14:44 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19632.48931.515387.234675@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:14:43 -0400 To: Caleb Stein In-Reply-To: References: <19632.463.52069.211565@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Clean up / filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 19:15:26 -0000 Caleb Stein writes: > >> I'm constantly getting the message, ":/ write failed, filesystem > >> is full", so I did df, and it said that my / filesystem was at > >> 108%. What files can I delete to free some space? > > > > Start by checking the contents of /tmp. > > Any *.core in /root you don't recognize is suspect. > > After that? Try: > > > > du -x / | sort -n -r | head -n 40 > > > > Look in those directories. > > So is it safe to do "rm -rf /tmp/*"? No. Blanket deletes are almost never a good idea. _Look in the directories_. Understand what's there, and why. Do so regularly, and you'll get a feel for when something changes. The output of: du /usr | sort -n -r | head -n 30 is waiting for me every morning when I check e-mail. After about a month, I knew what directories should be there (the exact content fluctuates, depending on port builds etc.) and how big they should be, and could a) pick out when something was wrong and b) guess what might have caused it. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 19:31:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E340106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 19:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mailhost.ssr.com (mailhost.ssr.com [199.4.235.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D825E8FC12 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 19:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 87493 invoked by uid 103); 9 Oct 2010 19:28:28 -0000 Date: 9 Oct 2010 19:28:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20101009192828.87492.qmail@ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: Frank Shute In-reply-to: <20101009190551.GA48232@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> (message from Frank Shute on Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:05:51 +0100) References: <20101009174623.84973.qmail@ssr.com> <20101009190551.GA48232@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No Sound FBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 19:31:32 -0000 Hi Frank, You write: > > Just a guess, but does: > > # sysctl hw.snd.default_unit=1 > > help? > > If so, you can set it permanently in /etc/sysctl.conf > Yes it does, and *thank* *you*. However, it only works with earphones, not speakers. Any idea what I can do about that? And... do you have the time to explain why the default pcm0 channel *doesn't* work? Thanks a million, Scott -- sdb@ssr.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 19:34:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6041A106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 19:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mailhost.ssr.com (mailhost.ssr.com [199.4.235.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 098288FC21 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 19:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 87552 invoked by uid 103); 9 Oct 2010 19:31:32 -0000 Date: 9 Oct 2010 19:31:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20101009193132.87551.qmail@ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: Tim Kellers In-reply-to: <4CB0B41C.9060802@wallnet.com> (message from Tim Kellers on Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:27:40 -0400) References: <20101009174623.84973.qmail@ssr.com> <4CB0B41C.9060802@wallnet.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No Sound FBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 19:34:35 -0000 Hi Tim, You write: > I finally kldload(ed) snd_* and went through the list of the loaded > modules until I eliminated useless loaded modules and found the one that > actually let the sound files play. It was a pain in the butt, but it > worked. > > What does kldstat say for your .ko loaded sound files? > The problem was partly solved by Frank's suggestion to set the default device to 1, although I don't know why. Now I get sound through the earphones, but not the speakers. kldstat gives a huge list: 10 1 0xffffffff812cd000 8c2 snd_driver.ko 11 1 0xffffffff812ce000 2242 snd_vibes.ko 12 34 0xffffffff812d1000 39590 sound.ko 13 1 0xffffffff8130b000 18c6 snd_via82c686.ko 14 1 0xffffffff8130d000 3842 snd_via8233.ko 15 1 0xffffffff81311000 2342 snd_t4dwave.ko 16 3 0xffffffff81314000 b42 snd_spicds.ko 17 1 0xffffffff81315000 263e snd_solo.ko 18 4 0xffffffff81318000 1946 snd_sbc.ko 19 1 0xffffffff8131a000 17be snd_sb8.ko 20 1 0xffffffff8131c000 1cbe snd_sb16.ko 21 1 0xffffffff8131e000 e3c2 snd_neomagic.ko 22 2 0xffffffff8132d000 6d6c snd_mss.ko 23 1 0xffffffff81334000 6ec2 snd_maestro3.ko 24 1 0xffffffff8133b000 48ca snd_maestro.ko 25 1 0xffffffff81340000 2d3e snd_ich.ko 26 1 0xffffffff81343000 141c6 snd_hda.ko 27 1 0xffffffff81358000 1742 snd_fm801.ko 28 1 0xffffffff8135a000 21c6 snd_ess.ko 29 1 0xffffffff8135d000 4d42 snd_es137x.ko 30 1 0xffffffff81362000 43c2 snd_envy24ht.ko 31 1 0xffffffff81367000 48c2 snd_envy24.ko 32 1 0xffffffff8136c000 d39e snd_emu10kx.ko 33 1 0xffffffff8137a000 8bbe snd_ds1.ko 34 2 0xffffffff81383000 436c snd_csa.ko 35 1 0xffffffff81388000 22c2 snd_cs4281.ko 36 1 0xffffffff8138b000 203e snd_cmi.ko 37 1 0xffffffff8138e000 2dc2 snd_atiixp.ko 38 1 0xffffffff81391000 1ec2 snd_als4000.ko 39 1 0xffffffff81393000 1a42 snd_ad1816.ko Thanks so much. Scott -- sdb@ssr.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 19:43:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC55A106566B for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 19:43:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cybernautape@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871878FC16 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 19:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so2712856iwn.13 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 12:43:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Hpsy77sYLHopXsn3yCi5seWiMTf/OLlt+t9GEpAPekM=; b=Nh9SqI10A1N1VTFnIVcxojCTrbz371Xu8fvM8+d+Z+QTDqPOxLK3eKYTnfGJUhZSA/ t2v6Hm5Fnb8kGu2ruYC7qybzhYaPExxY5cfvjn8qZO5rO4yuZxZkULxU6+T4T2Q4vH14 OYLBuZwJ5iMPnr5OsoxbCJLmyKUcPFWRD6ReI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=jPCpbUXZia6ymcuGrnjmNTXPGwOlKZyYqXNUytVKv0+vGJc3ZL3Kec45ApwpDDq5j7 HcmojXV2tOMggCe/PXUW1EMGkqd4ZrxonEOsd8IsHhbqoVVmC74Urd3SyKKNafGnxySI fihlTZFDoc5DM0ehek+PtcTlwA+RVVLmOZoYo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.146.136 with SMTP id h8mr3527356ibv.0.1286651983568; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 12:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.150.142 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 12:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 14:19:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: Edgar Rodolfo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: help me, i can't start graphical interface in freeBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 19:43:19 -0000 Hello, i am trying freebsd 8.1 from dvd, but i can't start graphical interface, gnome2 or kde4, when i am installing i chose all, then after it installed, after package selection i choose gnome2, kde4 and x window system based utilities, i choose xorg-7.5 then i put x, y others packages are in D, is it correct? y handbook i don't see , there only seen install generic, my conexion is very slowly...i can't use cd /usr/ports/.../xorg make install clean i add in /etc/rc.conf, echo 'gnome_enable=3D"YES"' >> /etc/rc.conf, also, echo 'hald_enable=3D"YES"', echo 'dbus_enable=3D"YES"', also i put echo exec gnome-sesion >> .xinitrc, :(, when i started startx, the message is: exec gnome-session: not found waiting for x server to shut down failed to unset mtrr: Device not configur= ed xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "edgar.localhost:0" in "remove" command in handbook say that xorg 7.5 no configured, default startx,it will start, don't know, help me please, i want to learn freebsd note:handbook 5.4.2. Configurar X11 A partir de la versi=C3=B3n 7.3 Xorg puede funcionar sin utilizar fichero de configuraci=C3=B3n; basta con teclear en el prompt: % start excuse me my english is very bad :( --=20 =E2=96=81 =E2=96=82 =E2=96=83 =E2=96=84 =E2=96=85 =E2=96=86 =E2=96=87 =E2= =96=88 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 20:07:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B11106566C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:07:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B148FC13 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so394237ywh.13 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.3.34 with SMTP id f34mr1697865ani.149.1286654835068; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m12sm5568934anm.34.2010.10.09.13.07.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 58089E54846 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:07:10 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101009160710.216d5239@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20101009014310.O2036@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <4CAFF3C8.30703@gmail.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo is having a good laugh .. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 20:07:16 -0000 On Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:47:04 -0700 Rob Farmer articulated: > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 05:30, Henry Olyer > wrote: > "Surrilous" isn't an English word, nor an obvious typo of one, so I > have no idea what you mean here. surrilous (adj.) coarsely abusive, vulgar or low (especially in language) foul- mouthed Although the OP might have meant scurrilous (an obvious typo): scur·ril·ous –adjective 1. grossly or obscenely abusive: a scurrilous attack on the mayor. 2. characterized by or using low buffoonery; coarsely jocular or derisive: a scurrilous jest. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 20:15:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208991065675 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:15:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A788FC13 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so853885gwb.13 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.177.15 with SMTP id z15mr4939610ybe.256.1286655337837; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p38sm1228015ybk.4.2010.10.09.13.15.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D1FD0E54846 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:15:35 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101009161535.1a84f10b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20101009192828.87492.qmail@ssr.com> References: <20101009174623.84973.qmail@ssr.com> <20101009190551.GA48232@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20101009192828.87492.qmail@ssr.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: No Sound FBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 20:15:39 -0000 On 9 Oct 2010 19:28:28 -0000 Scott Ballantyne articulated: > > Just a guess, but does: > > > > # sysctl hw.snd.default_unit=1 > > > > help? > > > > If so, you can set it permanently in /etc/sysctl.conf > > > > Yes it does, and *thank* *you*. However, it only works with earphones, > not speakers. Any idea what I can do about that? > > And... do you have the time to explain why the default pcm0 channel > *doesn't* work? I had to set it to: hw.snd.default_unit=4 Now, cdcontrol will not play an audio CD, although it claims to be doing so. Sound does work in KDE however. It didn't prior to my changing the setting. Another day, another hour lost debugging. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 20:17:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63D4106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:17:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3476B8FC14 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o99KHO1V023750; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 21:17:24 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o99KHOS4023746; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 21:17:24 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C791533C1F; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 21:17:23 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 21:17:23 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Scott Ballantyne Message-ID: <20101009201723.GA48431@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20101009174623.84973.qmail@ssr.com> <4CB0B41C.9060802@wallnet.com> <20101009193132.87551.qmail@ssr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101009193132.87551.qmail@ssr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No Sound FBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 20:17:26 -0000 On Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 07:31:32PM -0000, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > You write: > > I finally kldload(ed) snd_* and went through the list of the loaded > > modules until I eliminated useless loaded modules and found the one that > > actually let the sound files play. It was a pain in the butt, but it > > worked. > > > > What does kldstat say for your .ko loaded sound files? > > > > The problem was partly solved by Frank's suggestion to set the default > device to 1, although I don't know why. Now I get sound through the > earphones, but not the speakers. > > kldstat gives a huge list: > > 10 1 0xffffffff812cd000 8c2 snd_driver.ko > 11 1 0xffffffff812ce000 2242 snd_vibes.ko > 12 34 0xffffffff812d1000 39590 sound.ko > 13 1 0xffffffff8130b000 18c6 snd_via82c686.ko > 14 1 0xffffffff8130d000 3842 snd_via8233.ko > 15 1 0xffffffff81311000 2342 snd_t4dwave.ko > 16 3 0xffffffff81314000 b42 snd_spicds.ko > 17 1 0xffffffff81315000 263e snd_solo.ko > 18 4 0xffffffff81318000 1946 snd_sbc.ko > 19 1 0xffffffff8131a000 17be snd_sb8.ko > 20 1 0xffffffff8131c000 1cbe snd_sb16.ko > 21 1 0xffffffff8131e000 e3c2 snd_neomagic.ko > 22 2 0xffffffff8132d000 6d6c snd_mss.ko > 23 1 0xffffffff81334000 6ec2 snd_maestro3.ko > 24 1 0xffffffff8133b000 48ca snd_maestro.ko > 25 1 0xffffffff81340000 2d3e snd_ich.ko > 26 1 0xffffffff81343000 141c6 snd_hda.ko > 27 1 0xffffffff81358000 1742 snd_fm801.ko > 28 1 0xffffffff8135a000 21c6 snd_ess.ko > 29 1 0xffffffff8135d000 4d42 snd_es137x.ko > 30 1 0xffffffff81362000 43c2 snd_envy24ht.ko > 31 1 0xffffffff81367000 48c2 snd_envy24.ko > 32 1 0xffffffff8136c000 d39e snd_emu10kx.ko > 33 1 0xffffffff8137a000 8bbe snd_ds1.ko > 34 2 0xffffffff81383000 436c snd_csa.ko > 35 1 0xffffffff81388000 22c2 snd_cs4281.ko > 36 1 0xffffffff8138b000 203e snd_cmi.ko > 37 1 0xffffffff8138e000 2dc2 snd_atiixp.ko > 38 1 0xffffffff81391000 1ec2 snd_als4000.ko > 39 1 0xffffffff81393000 1a42 snd_ad1816.ko > > Thanks so much. > > Scott Scott, glad you've got some sound. I think you just need the snd_hda(4) driver, so you want: snd_hda_load="YES" in /boot/loader.conf As for getting sound out of your speakers, if they're amplified speakers, you can just plug them into the headphone socket on the front of your PC which is the default output. Or you can muck around with configuring the snd_hda driver (details in the manpage). I chickened out and did the former as to be quite honest, the manpage and deciphering it are above my paygrade ;) Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 20:41:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607C61065673 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:41:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127C58FC1C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwe4 with SMTP id 4so802863qwe.13 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:41:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OA7WG4wFfToXjclWamefFqPkrnVHyub+NJXrZ1QFw8k=; b=eXY8BNiNTpp/CDkN0yqkuHehnCclMkaYhtRq3QIDxdqOD4IMLXwCbtQh418VZt+vSD tb1K5i25TahmVYCp2AvKt4hEMbjiX5YUP9l8Esn76c3+KmF+cG8Io1a42pPC6FfygN0P xP3M1RAMP2wLkXrXYF0cAd0AFQ5CcQZSDQv9s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vNbykCK51Qrf0PEaFCbzLV2PNSWpOMpA25aAYHk2G1ghf8SzVvPYBb6vZU4kPsDEC4 Yvt1d7Aaut7yL8Po6gZyNEdBKdVL94oSxGmkbbjOyK83xrqdTA0RqdcbuRhdroOOdF7W dFLpk54kq9DLUyam4ekXOrQfVqVuCGAzwbcuA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.213.20 with SMTP id gu20mr3472757qcb.52.1286656916956; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.231.76 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 13:41:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:41:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Edgar Rodolfo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: help me, i can't start graphical interface in freeBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 20:41:58 -0000 Edgar, If you want to use gnome, you might want to check the following: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html#q1 Check to see that gnome-session is present, type $ which gnome-session if you get message not found then, you did not install it? You might want to use kde? Check this page: http://rhyous.com/2009/12/18/how-to-install-and-configure-a-freebsd-8-deskt= op-with-xorg-and-kde/ Hope this helps. Regards, Antonio On 10/9/10, Edgar Rodolfo wrote: > Hello, i am trying freebsd 8.1 from dvd, but i can't start graphical > interface, gnome2 or kde4, when i am installing i chose all, then > after it installed, after package selection i choose gnome2, kde4 and > x window system based utilities, i choose xorg-7.5 then i put x, y > others packages are in D, is it correct? y handbook i don't see , > there only seen install generic, my conexion is very slowly...i can't > use cd /usr/ports/.../xorg make install clean > i add in /etc/rc.conf, echo 'gnome_enable=3D"YES"' >> /etc/rc.conf, > also, echo 'hald_enable=3D"YES"', echo 'dbus_enable=3D"YES"', also i put > echo exec gnome-sesion >> .xinitrc, :(, when i started startx, the > message is: > exec gnome-session: not found > waiting for x server to shut down failed to unset mtrr: Device not > configured > xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "edgar.localhost:0" in "remove" command > in handbook say that xorg 7.5 no configured, default startx,it will > start, don't know, help me please, i want to learn freebsd > note:handbook > 5.4.2. Configurar X11 > > A partir de la versi=C3=B3n 7.3 Xorg puede funcionar sin utilizar fichero > de configuraci=C3=B3n; basta con teclear en el prompt: > > % start > excuse me my english is very bad :( > > -- > =E2=96=81 =E2=96=82 =E2=96=83 =E2=96=84 =E2=96=85 =E2=96=86 =E2=96=87 =E2= =96=88 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 20:42:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566CE106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:42:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward20.mail.yandex.net (forward20.mail.yandex.net [95.108.253.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011538FC16 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp16.mail.yandex.net (smtp16.mail.yandex.net [95.108.252.16]) by forward20.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 2C68E5D10FBF; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 00:42:40 +0400 (MSD) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1286656960; bh=jkvlAk1/5av8n1rBbqPPUjMoDMNukRevtJPhS0sqQUs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BA9h1BjcBVBSkw5zl3N2OG4jpVx//I+CqAGZSR4LGuvjLT5xylA98ZEOEH7cIyGhO YMZ5EPgvsRRTMgNxZdZa4BlPbGwvkqUuKVgtvjDRYuitS9kkB/fAV7y+WBM6/nD5Wk po8Z9tEu34SPvUixs5EI2SPalADLf43bowwSZEMU= Received: from HOMEUSER (mail.freeline.in.ua [77.93.36.201]) by smtp16.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 7E67716000A7; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 00:42:39 +0400 (MSD) X-Nat-Received: from [192.168.11.5]:1636 [ident-empty] by SPAM FILTER: with TPROXY id 1286657045.11880 abuse-to kes-kes@yandex.ru Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 23:42:42 +0300 From: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KfQnyDQmtC+0L3RjNC60L7QsiwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1673286593.20101009234242@yandex.ru> To: "b. f." In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1286656960 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp16.mail.yandex.net Cc: bf1783@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re[2]: How to obtain which interrupts cause system to hang? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 20:42:42 -0000 Çäðàâñòâóéòå, b.. Âû ïèñàëè 9 îêòÿáðÿ 2010 ã., 21:45:07: >> How to obtain what nasty happen, which process take 36-50% of CPU >> resource? bf> It partly depends upon the version of the OS that you are running, bf> your hardware, and your configuration. 2008 interrupts/sec is high, bf> but not improbably so, for kern.hz>=1000, and not beyond the bf> capabilities of today's average computer, although it may not be bf> optimal for your workloads. So it may not actually be a problem with bf> too many interrupts, but rather with some erroneous system accounting. bf> This can happen, for example, if your computer is using some of the bf> deeper power-saving C-states, but using them poorly, as for example bf> in: bf> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2010-August/019383.html bf> So you may want to examine, and perhaps adjust, your choice of kernel bf> timers, kern.hz, and power-saving settings. Device polling can also bf> be a factor, if you are using it. system is one processor vpn_shadow# uname -a FreeBSD vpn_shadow.in 7.3-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.3-RELEASE-p2 #3: Mon Jul 26 01:56:03 EEST 2010 kes@in:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/vpn amd64 kern.hz is 2000, Interrupts 1984 total is ok polling is enabled. Server runs about 6month and... and now it has interrupts: 13.5% system, 47.7% interrupt I can not imaginge what happen, in /var/log/* is silent... all is ok as usual. Network while that is happening is unstable. ping on 100Mbit link is 60ms. -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êîíüêîâ mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 20:49:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7B11065670 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:49:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@wallnet.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625F98FC12 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tim-kellerss-macbook-pro.local (springfling73.org [96.57.143.21]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0LA1008QPJ5SK7B0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:49:04 -0400 From: Tim Kellers In-reply-to: <20101009193132.87551.qmail@ssr.com> To: Scott Ballantyne Message-id: <4CB0D540.9000405@wallnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20101009174623.84973.qmail@ssr.com> <4CB0B41C.9060802@wallnet.com> <20101009193132.87551.qmail@ssr.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No Sound FBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 20:49:06 -0000 On 10/9/10 3:31 PM, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > Hi Tim, > > You write: >> I finally kldload(ed) snd_* and went through the list of the loaded >> modules until I eliminated useless loaded modules and found the one that >> actually let the sound files play. It was a pain in the butt, but it >> worked. >> >> What does kldstat say for your .ko loaded sound files? >> > The problem was partly solved by Frank's suggestion to set the default > device to 1, although I don't know why. Now I get sound through the > earphones, but not the speakers. > > kldstat gives a huge list: > > 10 1 0xffffffff812cd000 8c2 snd_driver.ko > 11 1 0xffffffff812ce000 2242 snd_vibes.ko > 12 34 0xffffffff812d1000 39590 sound.ko > 13 1 0xffffffff8130b000 18c6 snd_via82c686.ko > 14 1 0xffffffff8130d000 3842 snd_via8233.ko > 15 1 0xffffffff81311000 2342 snd_t4dwave.ko > 16 3 0xffffffff81314000 b42 snd_spicds.ko > 17 1 0xffffffff81315000 263e snd_solo.ko > 18 4 0xffffffff81318000 1946 snd_sbc.ko > 19 1 0xffffffff8131a000 17be snd_sb8.ko > 20 1 0xffffffff8131c000 1cbe snd_sb16.ko > 21 1 0xffffffff8131e000 e3c2 snd_neomagic.ko > 22 2 0xffffffff8132d000 6d6c snd_mss.ko > 23 1 0xffffffff81334000 6ec2 snd_maestro3.ko > 24 1 0xffffffff8133b000 48ca snd_maestro.ko > 25 1 0xffffffff81340000 2d3e snd_ich.ko > 26 1 0xffffffff81343000 141c6 snd_hda.ko > 27 1 0xffffffff81358000 1742 snd_fm801.ko > 28 1 0xffffffff8135a000 21c6 snd_ess.ko > 29 1 0xffffffff8135d000 4d42 snd_es137x.ko > 30 1 0xffffffff81362000 43c2 snd_envy24ht.ko > 31 1 0xffffffff81367000 48c2 snd_envy24.ko > 32 1 0xffffffff8136c000 d39e snd_emu10kx.ko > 33 1 0xffffffff8137a000 8bbe snd_ds1.ko > 34 2 0xffffffff81383000 436c snd_csa.ko > 35 1 0xffffffff81388000 22c2 snd_cs4281.ko > 36 1 0xffffffff8138b000 203e snd_cmi.ko > 37 1 0xffffffff8138e000 2dc2 snd_atiixp.ko > 38 1 0xffffffff81391000 1ec2 snd_als4000.ko > 39 1 0xffffffff81393000 1a42 snd_ad1816.ko > > Thanks so much. > > Scott Here are my settings: > sysctl hw.snd.default_unit hw.snd.default_unit: 0 > kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 22 0xffffffff80100000 d71088 kernel 2 2 0xffffffff80e72000 75638 sound.ko 3 1 0xffffffff80ee8000 24e48 snd_hda.ko 4 1 0xffffffff81022000 3a1f linprocfs.ko 5 1 0xffffffff81026000 1c4e8 linux.ko 6 1 0xffffffff81043000 7ee accf_http.ko 7 1 0xffffffff81044000 1e6 accf_data.ko kldstat numbers 4 - 7 aren't relevant, but my workstation had an option to choose the driver from a list and one chice supported earphone and speaker jacks (the Gateway has a speaker/microphone jack on the front, and the "usual" 3 sound jacks on the rear). That optin was in the system settings ---> audio in KDE4 Gnome probably has an equivalent. My /boot/loader.conf > cat /boot/loader.conf kern.ipc.shmseg=1024 kern.ipc.shmmni=1024 sem_load="YES" sound_load="YES" #snd_ich_load="YES" snd_hda_load="YES" #snd_emu10k1_load="YES" #snd_emu10kx_load="YES" loader_logo="beastie" The commented out entries are evidence of my futzing around with the workstation before I finally got the sound to work. The first 3 entries (and the last) in my /boot/loader.conf aren't sound related. My uname -a FreeBSD beta.maestro 8.1-STABLE FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE #2: Mon Jul 26 17:36:45 EDT 2010 tkellers@beta.maestro:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JUNE30 amd64 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 17:40:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB44D1065693 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caleb.stein@me.com) Received: from asmtpout024.mac.com (asmtpout024.mac.com [17.148.16.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CE38FC1A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:40:46 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from win7x64.mshome.net ([67.183.141.251]) by asmtp024.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-18.01 64bit (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPA id <0LA1002TKAFH7520@asmtp024.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:40:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-10-09_02:2010-10-08, 2010-10-09, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=5 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1010090102 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <19632.463.52069.211565@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4CB0A8A1.5040904@qeng-ho.org> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:40:20 -0700 From: Caleb Stein Message-id: In-reply-to: <4CB0A8A1.5040904@qeng-ho.org> User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.70 (Win32) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 22:11:31 +0000 Subject: Re: Clean up / filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:40:46 -0000 On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:38:41 -0700, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 10/09/10 17:58, Caleb Stein wrote: >> On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:46:55 -0700, Robert Huff >> wrote: > [Full /tmp discussion snipped] >> >> So is it safe to do "rm -rf /tmp/*"? > > Not if running an X desktop, as all sorts of things get stuck in /tmp > that are needed. In single user mode it should be safe, and it probably > is when simply running on the console. > > As a long term solution, if you wish to clear /tmp every reboot add > > clear_tmp_enable="YES" # Clear /tmp at startup. > > to your /etc/rc.conf > Ok, so it won't hurt X as long as I clear /tmp/ while X isn't running? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 22:16:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA74F106564A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 22:16:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9278FC0C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 22:16:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-73-80.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.73.80]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F771E2BC; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 00:16:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o99MGBAv001897; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 00:16:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 00:16:11 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Caleb Stein Message-Id: <20101010001611.ed9bc12b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <19632.463.52069.211565@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4CB0A8A1.5040904@qeng-ho.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Clean up / filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 22:16:13 -0000 On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:40:20 -0700, Caleb Stein wrote: > Ok, so it won't hurt X as long as I clear /tmp/ while X isn't running? Correct, no problem. It *may* be possible that some programs save files to /tmp, even if it is NOT to be assumed that those files survive a reboot. The content of /tmp is to be seen as easily flammable. :-) X itself does use /tmp mainly for /tmp/.X0-lock as well as the /tmp/.font-unix/, /tmp/.X11-unix/, /tmp/.ICE-unix/, /tmp/.XIM-unix/ and other subtrees that get generated anyway when not present at X startup. Make sure *YOU* don't have any important files in there. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 22:28:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844FD106566C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 22:28:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from redcondor2.peak.org (redcondor2.peak.org [69.59.192.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE718FC13 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 22:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from peak-mail-gateway.peak.org ([69.59.192.42]) by redcondor2.peak.org ({6c724cae-de34-4c5f-b615-3072b86419fa}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20101009222833804 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 22:28:33 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from oak.localnet (207-55-106-5.adsl.willamette.net [207.55.106.5] (may be forged)) by peak-mail-gateway.peak.org (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id o99MSXnE047613 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oak.localnet (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8715BBEA0 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from carlj@localhost) by oak.localnet (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o99MSW70014598; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:28:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) X-Authentication-Warning: oak.localnet: carlj set sender to carlj@peak.org using -f From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101009174623.84973.qmail@ssr.com> <20101009190551.GA48232@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20101009192828.87492.qmail@ssr.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:28:32 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20101009192828.87492.qmail@ssr.com> (Scott Ballantyne's message of "9 Oct 2010 19:28:28 -0000") Message-ID: <874ocvuhkf.fsf@oak.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: No Sound FBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 22:28:34 -0000 Scott Ballantyne writes: > Hi Frank, > > You write: >> >> Just a guess, but does: >> >> # sysctl hw.snd.default_unit=1 >> >> help? >> >> If so, you can set it permanently in /etc/sysctl.conf >> > > Yes it does, and *thank* *you*. However, it only works with earphones, > not speakers. Any idea what I can do about that? > > And... do you have the time to explain why the default pcm0 channel > *doesn't* work? You can also use 'mixer -f /dev/mixer1' for testing. On my system /dev/mixer1 (default_unit=1) controls the back panel jacks, and /dev/mixer2 controls the front panel headphone jack. You will probably have to just experiment with the different mixer controls to see which controls which on your system. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 22:36:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7886D1065673 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 22:36:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DD08FC0C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 22:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so757405pxi.13 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.107.21 with SMTP id f21mr3555912wfc.427.1286663779935; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.107] (or-71-1-133-114.dyn.embarqhsd.net [71.1.133.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q13sm5728793wfc.5.2010.10.09.15.36.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:36:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <20101009014310.O2036@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <4CAFF3C8.30703@gmail.com> <20101009160710.216d5239@scorpio> From: Rob Farmer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8B117) In-Reply-To: <20101009160710.216d5239@scorpio> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:36:08 -0700 To: FreeBSD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8B117) Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo is having a good laugh .. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 22:36:21 -0000 On Oct 9, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:47:04 -0700 > Rob Farmer articulated: >=20 >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 05:30, Henry Olyer >> wrote: >=20 >> "Surrilous" isn't an English word, nor an obvious typo of one, so I >> have no idea what you mean here. >=20 > surrilous (adj.) coarsely abusive, vulgar or low (especially in language) f= oul- mouthed I have never heard this word and couldn't find a definition using google def= ine or dictionary.com (which aggregates many major dictionaries). Perhaps it is a word, but an extremely obscure one. -- Rob Farmer >=20 > Although the OP might have meant scurrilous (an obvious typo): >=20 > scur=C2=B7ril=C2=B7ous =E2=80=93adjective >=20 > 1. grossly or obscenely abusive: a scurrilous attack on the mayor. >=20 > 2. characterized by or using low buffoonery; coarsely jocular or derisive:= a scurrilous jest. >=20 > --=20 > Jerry =E2=9C=8C > FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net >=20 > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. > __________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 23:02:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E47A106566B for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 23:02:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caleb.stein@me.com) Received: from asmtpout023.mac.com (asmtpout023.mac.com [17.148.16.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BC28FC0A for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 23:02:16 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from win7x64.mshome.net ([67.183.141.251]) by asmtp023.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0LA1004SYPBPEN40@asmtp023.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:02:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=5 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1010090152 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-10-09_02:2010-10-08, 2010-10-09, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <19632.463.52069.211565@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4CB0A8A1.5040904@qeng-ho.org> <20101010001611.ed9bc12b.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:02:03 -0700 From: Caleb Stein Message-id: In-reply-to: <20101010001611.ed9bc12b.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.70 (Win32) Subject: Re: Clean up / filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 23:02:17 -0000 On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:16:11 -0700, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:40:20 -0700, Caleb Stein > wrote: >> Ok, so it won't hurt X as long as I clear /tmp/ while X isn't running? > > Correct, no problem. > > It *may* be possible that some programs save files to /tmp, even > if it is NOT to be assumed that those files survive a reboot. > The content of /tmp is to be seen as easily flammable. :-) > > X itself does use /tmp mainly for /tmp/.X0-lock as well as the > /tmp/.font-unix/, /tmp/.X11-unix/, /tmp/.ICE-unix/, /tmp/.XIM-unix/ > and other subtrees that get generated anyway when not present > at X startup. > > Make sure *YOU* don't have any important files in there. :-) > > > Ok, thanks for the info. I've added clear_tmp_enable="YES" to rc.conf, so hopefully, after a reboot, I'll stop seeing the annoying message.