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Date:      Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:13:30 -0700
From:      Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net>
To:        Scott Long <scottl@freebsd.org>
Cc:        current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: HEADS UP! KSE needs more attention
Message-ID:  <20040606221330.GB97091@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net>
In-Reply-To: <40C390C4.1000609@freebsd.org>
References:  <40C36D31.4010003@freebsd.org> <20040606193510.GA95886@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> <40C37F3C.1050602@freebsd.org> <20040606211249.GC96607@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> <40C390C4.1000609@freebsd.org>

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On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 03:46:44PM -0600, Scott Long wrote:
> >
> >As for alpha, we don't even seem to be able to degrade it to tier 2
> >without losing face. kris@ has already stopped package builds for it
> >for his own sake.
> 
> It's not that there is face to loose on alpha, it's that every time
> I announce that alpha is going to be killed unless issues X, Y, and Z
> are fixed, someone comes along and fixes X, part of Y, and promises
> to fix Z.

I don't read anything I haven't read before. People have made promises
before and good intentions notwithstanding, you cannot keep a project
hostage this way. Degrade alpha and only promote it after people have
actually demonstrated that alpha is tier 1 material after all.

> At this point, I'm going to advocate that Alpha be dropped from Tier-1
> status for 5.3 and 5-STABLE and no longer be a blocking item for
> releases.

Just *do* it. You've been advocating for way too long.

-- 
 Marcel Moolenaar	  USPA: A-39004		 marcel@xcllnt.net



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