From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 02:01:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5D216A41B; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu (phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu [128.205.32.89]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDDC13C442; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from [128.205.32.76] (bauer.cse.buffalo.edu [128.205.32.76]) (authenticated bits=0) by phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu (8.14.1/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lAH20odc079791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:00:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu) From: Ken Smith To: Alexey Dokuchaev In-Reply-To: <20071116220448.GA20435@FreeBSD.org> References: <200711161314.lAGDERAd027540@repoman.freebsd.org> <20071116220448.GA20435@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-rSII6NiPDHBLUOPqixXb" Organization: U. Buffalo CSE Department Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:00:50 -0500 Message-Id: <1195264850.1257.22.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu 1336; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu Cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG, src-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, Ken Smith Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/release Makefile X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:01:33 -0000 --=-rSII6NiPDHBLUOPqixXb Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 22:04 +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 01:14:27PM +0000, Ken Smith wrote: > > kensmith 2007-11-16 13:14:27 UTC > >=20 > > FreeBSD src repository > >=20 > > Modified files: > > release Makefile=20 > > Log: > > The i386 disc1 size wandered above what fits on 650Mb media which has= been > > our target previously. So i386 joins the others that have switched o= ver > > to a separate livefs iso image. >=20 > I'm not even sure 650M discs are still being produced. Seriously, I > know that this was raised before, and the answer was always "no", but > aren't we loosing more that gaining by sticking with 650M limit? >=20 > ./danfe The decision that this was the target pre-dates me. I do my post-build tests using 650Mb rewritable media to both alert me when we cross the limit and not create *too* many coasters... But a quick pass through newegg.com suggests you're correct that you can't even buy 650Mb media any more, even the rewritable variant. If nobody screams loudly (as in someone more in tune with why we've always targetted 650Mb media than I am chimes in) I don't mind switching the target, I can buy a new set of 700Mb rewritable media for tests. That said switching i386 back to not having a separate livefs is probably going to take more than just this. A few of the things that are to be considered: - The bulk of the other architectures went to having the separate livefs a while ago, including amd64 which is generally considered on par with i386 as far as our priorities go. Getting it back to no livefs cd isn't likely. - Given above having i386 not be different is desirable from an end-user point of view. Which iso's do what being the same would be nice. - It crossed the size target even without packages on disc1. I'd have likely switched it to having the separate livefs even if it didn't cross the target now once we started looking at packages. It's very desirable from an end-user (potentially novice) point of view if everything sysinstall needs up to the part where it enters the "Would you like to browse the packages?" screen is on disc1. That boils down to most of xorg at the moment, you can still select to have X11 stuff be installed as part of the initial software distribution selection (I'd like to change that shortly in HEAD but it's not going to happen for 7.0...). - The size of stuff won't decrease as the branch matures (7.1, 7.2, etc). IMHO we might as well admit now that before we stop doing releases on RELENG_7 we'd have needed to do this and get users used to the idea. - Yes, people have asked about doing DVDs instead but I haven't had time and nobody else progressed past the question phase. :-) If nobody else does I'll start screwing around with it in HEAD after the releases are over so that it's feasible for 8.X but we're way too far along in the release cycle to consider it now. I haven't started to look at the packages yet, that's usually something I start at least mucking a little bit with around RC1 so I don't know how much space the disc1 package set will need. But I'm guessing even if we shift over to having a 700Mb target size it's likely due to other factors we should just leave the livefs separate. I would also guess the bulk of our user base doesn't *really* mind having a separate livefs since one would hope needing to rescue a machine isn't something that happens all that often. --=20 Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | --=-rSII6NiPDHBLUOPqixXb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHPktG/G14VSmup/YRAgtRAJ0Rn8s3fPhsV5xHT6Cd1LaKF4fMLgCZAQCH F9f2cyhsqtDa9cDxarkCpUk= =JIjZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-rSII6NiPDHBLUOPqixXb--