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NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.91)[-0.914]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 02:38:13 -0000 --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @lbutlr wrote: >=20 > This is what I have been doing for years to get ssh access (an other port= s) into my LAN, though I go with the easier to remember method of >=20 > 2202 =3D> lan.2:22 > 2212 =3D> lan.12:22 > 22107 =3D> lan.107:22 >=20 > (So 192.168.0.2 or 10.0.32.12 or however you have your LAN setup) I used this for years but then I learnt about the concept of bastion host (the ProxyJump option in ssh_config) and forgot about all this hassle with port forwarding. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.56)[-0.561]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.25)[-0.254]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.05)[-0.046]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[23.243.161.111:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 02:53:23 -0000 On 8/15/20 7:47 PM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I'm looking for a superdaemon to start, monitor and restart (e.g. in > case of crash) other daemons like squid, syncthing and others. > > At first I wanted to place them into /etc/ttys but then I realized that > I need something more flexible like Linux' systemd or Solaris' SMF. > > What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement > but as a tool to manage some daemons? > > daemon(8) is the way to go.  it also integrates nicely with rc(8) and is part of the base system. -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 03:12:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098F53AFA28 for ; 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Try daemontools which is in ports. It was written by Dan Bernstein so it is in his quirky style but it works great. http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html The "daemon" program someone else mentioned is fine for starting a daemon but not for managing them, From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 03:40:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63873B01CB for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 03:40:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTjc11Ckgz3bHx for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 03:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; 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DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.79)[-0.791]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 03:40:02 -0000 --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete Wright wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 8/15/20 7:47 PM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > >=20 > > I'm looking for a superdaemon to start, monitor and restart (e.g. in > > case of crash) other daemons like squid, syncthing and others. > >=20 > > At first I wanted to place them into /etc/ttys but then I realized that > > I need something more flexible like Linux' systemd or Solaris' SMF. > >=20 > > What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement > > but as a tool to manage some daemons? > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > daemon(8) is the way to go.=A0=20 >=20 I had the impression that daemon(8) was for programs which could not daemonize on their own. It is thus useful for syncthing but not very much for squid. > it also integrates nicely with rc(8) and is part > of the base system. I'm aware that daemon(8) is used in rc.d scripts to start some third-party software like consul and strongswan. However I would prefer a single superdaemon that would watch all its children. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfOKqPAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0GO8H/2W2LPS0Z49dMyvIPxq0Njvy Z51zV1wXDRdsPgW5V07j4RegCVpPuST+AaRabW/UyUtZYyV9VyZYGk/LL7wy+fsr I9F4b/Q5ZKEKts6uxYu6OtJPK7xDylDPVRabsbwLlNFZ7KVHHAMEvuqSntAxWhkF VVZ39DDkNudvN2/bBPittMwCRy9YeOBQrzY1ha+1q4lPE/ZSoQLqHxX/fItQmM6d NwzYTiSYBQSiNXuZhKVioThQfPGT4lc4YK0LHilhywvho6WrExvO7ghq0AUh69kq OMpI6x/K91YsuA5lOJd78mKBZKA0EH7VMrYLSYKbkOyAEBH/rl6LvojCR5Csihk= =S/dg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 03:44:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B4B3B0718 for ; 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ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.06)[-1.056]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.004]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.81)[-0.809]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 03:44:08 -0000 --1UWUbFP1cBYEclgG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Levine wrote: > In article <20200816024739.GB23449@admin.sibptus.ru> you write: > >-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- > > > >Dear Colleagues, > > > >I'm looking for a superdaemon to start, monitor and restart (e.g. in > >case of crash) other daemons like squid, syncthing and others.=20 > > > >At first I wanted to place them into /etc/ttys but then I realized that > >I need something more flexible like Linux' systemd or Solaris' SMF. > > > >What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement > >but as a tool to manage some daemons? >=20 > Try daemontools which is in ports. It was written by Dan Bernstein so it > is in his quirky style but it works great. >=20 > http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html Can it observe dependencies and a predictable start/stop order? --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --1UWUbFP1cBYEclgG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfOKuHAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0O7UH/AlSOgsk67ieM3IqrvGplVMi o7G7905hVZAZKaiKHtKaXBJbDWy3i1yqAp0DV/ql/xEA58v16giE7NcasHC75QCV E3BlOdHb7ULskl23nqaUZmHLRoYJXWRvACzCYaGs/GOoL0IaVN7j+KJAxaeuC6Xb 04SgP6JC2Ohv94K7eqTQDZ0lB9MeT4u8UxwOqC+nlv5SvMc74bbq56mPFYl+CGYW tGFCqsTN2RDBrp8b4aGBuS0jDHr0PBYRobFUmCnPT5xQtkhxYRg641ypreI4byoL XSbneLooKORL1AAab+pdyOFhwKK+VYuczyBcQo9LAOKVLNVwIGbwZ5UU4stOU+U= =kH59 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1UWUbFP1cBYEclgG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 05:43:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5CF3B1B5C for ; 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This would set the resources free from the gnome-shit which Xfce runs in the background. Is it still possible? If you run this kind of configuration, can you answer some questions for me? 1. What good-looking WM would you recommend from the ports? I had a quick look at fvwm and was appalled how dated and ugly it looks to the modern eye. Even twm is better aesthetically but not rich enough for me. A minimal number of dependencies is an advantage. 2. Without a full-featured DE, how do you setup Xserver parameters? I've long forgotten how to configure multiple keyboard layouts, nice fonts, various hotkeys (layout switching etc). Is it still done via the global xorg.conf or is it possible on a per-user basis? 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This would set the > resources free from the gnome-shit which Xfce runs in the background. > Is it still possible? > > If you run this kind of configuration, can you answer some questions for > me? > > 1. What good-looking WM would you recommend from the ports? I had a > quick look at fvwm and was appalled how dated and ugly it looks to the > modern eye. Even twm is better aesthetically but not rich enough > for me. A minimal number of dependencies is an advantage. > > 2. Without a full-featured DE, how do you setup Xserver parameters? I've > long forgotten how to configure multiple keyboard layouts, nice fonts, > various hotkeys (layout switching etc). Is it still done via the global > xorg.conf or is it possible on a per-user basis? All the above is possible with enlightenment. Resource requirement is minimal and very configurable. -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. 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This would set the > resources free from the gnome-shit which Xfce runs in the background. > Is it still possible? > > If you run this kind of configuration, can you answer some questions for > me? > > 1. What good-looking WM would you recommend from the ports? I had a > quick look at fvwm and was appalled how dated and ugly it looks to the > modern eye. Even twm is better aesthetically but not rich enough > for me. A minimal number of dependencies is an advantage. > > 2. Without a full-featured DE, how do you setup Xserver parameters? I've > long forgotten how to configure multiple keyboard layouts, nice fonts, > various hotkeys (layout switching etc). Is it still done via the global > xorg.conf or is it possible on a per-user basis? > > So, please share your success stories. > > @1: "good looking" is in the eye of the observer. I have FVWM and TDE (which is not in ports) running. @2: you have a text editor, so what else do you need? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... 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Sun, 16 Aug 2020 08:48:25 +0200 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 08:48:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A nice looking WM to replace a DE Message-Id: <20200816084824.7560107a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200816054351.GA26926@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <57EC9527.7020202@rcn.com> <20200816054351.GA26926@admin.sibptus.ru> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:CO9wGRqzymlnAu0n3u76fNkooThTLkq9EaIHe4sHw0/Xumhbvj4 DilwrarZIrR801pSMwN2pf9m9n/hnJJEidNZwnDyGuqOCnLGup5dFM9ep3Dsfr367vkaDrT N6kjXvOa5NmohD+JJnHMXw060cfPm7kWJXSbiTvG1MBnv7qNjH2DsadAYIPVfOrjXFL9CIw 2Kxz4qhYThoAlc0nN+ZGA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:kzplXwRzgRQ=:ky/FTZHtKu/fopM1EvbJR5 9BggDm3Kb5/GuFDAsPyCjCoxk/Ykmg3ZzSNBHYed6U2I7MLJcWm0NFzWvKXy2AQYg7CYhJg7A TQ83XsRoq1xdRxxotynYDZYifsQHJNsK4rvYA5VRMCOd+TFSNyCWkbAZCEzm1wiR9lS3bFH4R saT+1M+r6g9BAHfstm0CM24XG6F2hsgDpKjIY8DBJSTWyyxuGCGB2lHuyvL3HKa7eemIjmc7h InzRnHf2lkNj1CLqj1jkMJigurCzbxhdt8XPXtziuV+qnC+RX0jIuqNvaHsvs4RsDzUBHjala Pf/+6PK5y3OGDFi1F7k0spgfqsTYiU/P7ng58n6sXsGdIfLBrYObrT+4xCTRkLCtauBUNa58W ghVpnhcySbr2dyJJ13HsHcYsHMBram4TlrqA3L93ARvZF4XxP6mlLDn2cSPnxx1tL6A1PMDtV EzMHZUMbSPoMl+w12F445SOzcH5eX7jhzL9SQnmW6vSETu+OiYlYSW3uHj9qGjg90sINqLfxR 31u3ELgI7VuhqY8Fooz4KuJ3kHSrTt9yAWsV95SwNSszUBC2o92bx7FuRBNw67frOA6nOFKmY GmmVqvrJYMcs4LEjWBwBXzU48LcgKAa8fI8musbRX2bDTA5vxyvK6cQFwmpoyVInhiMTk449c eZIDQ1cj8sgBsHk3LtTMYeUV4/Aa84cV6IMDWQU4X5hVoCORkNEqPwPstsTq7DGtDgeE9GN8y J17UHFEbBcb2gv1Y+zLEC+yTQLQlN2ZvyL3g9MvyCpmC150N4uX/5YkhqDmYfkEpYi5X8KfV6 aTxsupZjqMJgrrTQClULw7nEdX2nefT3NgDrunaqjhLRVm0KJ3FFQJex1GZA19E7Dl3UcDJ ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; 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This would set the > resources free from the gnome-shit which Xfce runs in the background. > Is it still possible? Definitely. Depending on your magic level, a tiling window manager could be interesting. If you're not that magic (like me), maybe fvwm-2 (Motif style) or IceWM will do? Personally, and even though I have tried many WMs, my personal favorite is WindowMaker (with non-default configuration, of course). Because I'm too stupid, the magic of tiling window managers didn't pour onto me yet. I've heared only good things about them, though. ;-) > 1. What good-looking WM would you recommend from the ports? I had a > quick look at fvwm and was appalled how dated and ugly it looks to the > modern eye. Even twm is better aesthetically but not rich enough > for me. A minimal number of dependencies is an advantage. In this case, IceWM isn't a bad choice. It supports several themes, as well as a Beastie-style "start button". It does not automatically "discover apps", i. e., you'll have to create your own menu file, but that's not a disadvantage in my opinion. The nice thing about IceWM is that you can configure all aspects easily with simple text-based configuration files. If you want to look very professional, add a Mac OS X wallpaper and the Warlock Bar (wbar). I've tried that, it actually works. ;-) > 2. Without a full-featured DE, how do you setup Xserver parameters? I've > long forgotten how to configure multiple keyboard layouts, nice fonts, > various hotkeys (layout switching etc). Is it still done via the global > xorg.conf or is it possible on a per-user basis? Today, most of this stuff is done automatically by X itself. If you want to force a specific configuration (especially a non-standard one, like a non-US keyboard), there's still the way of partial configuration files in the xorg.conf.d/ subdirectory. Keyboard layouts can be managed easily with xinput, the successor of xmodmap. And switching layouts can be done with IceWM keyboard bindings. For everything that you don't want to be a global setting, there's always ~/.xinitrc and/or ~/.xsession; you can use programs like xinput and xrandr to configure things after user login. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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This would set the >> resources free from the gnome-shit which Xfce runs in the background. >> Is it still possible? >> >> If you run this kind of configuration, can you answer some questions for >> me? >> >> 1. What good-looking WM would you recommend from the ports? I had a >> quick look at fvwm and was appalled how dated and ugly it looks to the >> modern eye. Even twm is better aesthetically but not rich enough >> for me. A minimal number of dependencies is an advantage. >> >> 2. Without a full-featured DE, how do you setup Xserver parameters? I've >> long forgotten how to configure multiple keyboard layouts, nice fonts, >> various hotkeys (layout switching etc). Is it still done via the global >> xorg.conf or is it possible on a per-user basis? > > All the above is possible with enlightenment. > Resource requirement is minimal and very configurable. > I would definitely suggest the awesome tiling window manager. It looks fantastic, is minimalist and works great. I actually use it in my FreeBSD vm. You can configure it by copying the rc.lua file under /usr/local/etc/xdg/ to ~/.config/awesome/rc.lua (after mkdir ~/.config/awesome). The only changes I usually need in ~/.config/awesome/rc.lua are : 1) switch editor from nano to vim 2) switch terminal from xterm to terminator. Of course, you would like to have terminator installed upfront : portsnap auto cd /usr/ports/x11/terminator make config-recurive make install clean Restart. Right clicking on the desktop will now get you terminator. 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Of course, you would like > to have terminator installed upfront : > > portsnap auto > cd /usr/ports/x11/terminator > make config-recurive > make install clean > > Restart. Right clicking on the desktop will now get you terminator. The only slight objection regarding terminator would be that it adds several Gnome-related and Gtk dependencies. If you buikld it from source, even more stuff will be compiled and installed (as build dependencies). So maybe using "pkg install terminator" will be a _little_ more convenient? ;-) Managing several terminal sessions in one terminal window, even if it's just ye olde xterm, can be accomplished with lightweight tools such as screen and tmux. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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So maybe > using "pkg install terminator" will be a_little_ more > convenient? ;-) Ah, I would have suggested that myself, Poly - if that were possible at all. Would I not ? terminator is not available as a package any more, or at least the last time I checked. If it yes, then of course, `pkg install terminator` is immensely preferable. Regards, Manish Jain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 09:37:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B577F3B6E87 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:37:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weaver@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTsWx2byJz475L for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:37:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weaver@riseup.net) Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTsWv13RbzDsyW for ; 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RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.860]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.006]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:37:02 -0000 On 16-08-2020 19:34, Manish Jain wrote: > On 2020-08-16 13:42, Polytropon wrote: >> The only slight objection regarding terminator would be >> that it adds several Gnome-related and Gtk dependencies. >> If you buikld it from source, even more stuff will be >> compiled and installed (as build dependencies). So maybe >> using "pkg install terminator" will be a_little_ more >> convenient? ;-) > > Ah, I would have suggested that myself, Poly - if that were possible > at all. Would I not ? > > terminator is not available as a package any more, or at least the > last time I checked. If it yes, then of course, `pkg install > terminator` is immensely preferable. https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/installation_freebsd/ -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 10:08:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43483B7612 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 10:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from vie01a-dmta-at52-1.mx.upcmail.net (vie01a-dmta-at52-1.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTtDc3h9Jz49WB for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 10:08:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from [172.31.216.41] (helo=vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50) by vie01a-dmta-at52.mx.upcmail.net with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k7Fan-0008th-JO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:08:45 +0200 Received: from x61.lan ([85.126.97.210]) by vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50 with SMTP @ mailcloud.upcmail.net id GA8k2301B4YLlkt0BA8l8N; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:08:45 +0200 X-SourceIP: 85.126.97.210 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=O6RJhF1W c=1 sm=2 tr=0 cx=a_idp_f a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:117 a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=Lx8Bpjh-HcW9fOScTxcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A nice looking WM to replace a DE Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:08:45 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <20200816101212.9136413c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: X-KMail-QuotePrefix: > MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <202008161208.45595.dr.klepp@gmx.at> ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597572528; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=H/hxHKCf/aVnCPAE7IOrp1Ttxg+POYrqRJa4kt4H6Zs=; b=efpGp0kc7v31nNawMs1Hi1T4f20Dt+WTPNeb0pi6Ee+P+ZfXDb3VQCeb2+bmsaQSue1DTd FgmtA6fqeDjDH+TIZrJUbhlqczEt+bXplvhkl2KMU4eU5jsKP3Kh+vtcjs1BTVVbtch8QA sXDKc/ZcocyQ1JWVD4QrlS/MpEI7qYndBCwoCQZRgVd4cmIKu9xYp65XGlvLpM3BgkNv2q rHjnAOuSaEAvhuHXJ59kIqadfX2/w7jUSqoVmM2NQ2S/Ak8t9ROE1QlzGpnefHI7DHoc0C i09BmcTN/6IUgYTQdidCWjtXTbr71UZAeRk8KVtbfnsDE9Cnm8dk0d5FlcAhdA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597572528; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=SFKXOBdIuyx0p06jnOKZ1CafhJZx55vkVlsT1Rs66OQseP2ELCrKv1SZdsi8jqJWT2Y2KM Qya9z68nYxv5uehzn3RU5CCoJWp5cMGuSMyviA6ywfyjul4NhdMLxlFHZisLpg+kkjuoDL OKlB3rSP/ci8tYew6esH1ZDXWhn1qALaqNIETNGqDfHCXXJ6l/j9MCkeOYZMqqiVuJ9FuA wUOkvznK0Y/X0ru7UQhI6jLAh2WN5RMN/M0pyfv2kVKSS+W/ZyFKxGmEo2BfJc97r0K3RZ 4z6YyjzpbdLM6Z8U5yU7BcNwnYa+ARLZN839drVLYgxqd+jP1tM6HDCVc55fMQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dr.klepp@gmx.at does not designate 62.179.121.142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dr.klepp@gmx.at X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BTtDc3h9Jz49WB X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dr.klepp@gmx.at does not designate 62.179.121.142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dr.klepp@gmx.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmx.at]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.86)[0.857]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gmx.at]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.07)[-0.066]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.975]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; FROM_NAME_HAS_TITLE(1.00)[dr]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6830, ipnet:62.179.0.0/17, country:AT]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmx.at]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[62.179.121.142:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 10:08:49 -0000 Anno domini 2020 Sun, 16 Aug 15:04:10 +0530 Manish Jain scripsit: > > On 2020-08-16 13:42, Polytropon wrote: > > The only slight objection regarding terminator would be > > that it adds several Gnome-related and Gtk dependencies. > > If you buikld it from source, even more stuff will be > > compiled and installed (as build dependencies). So maybe > > using "pkg install terminator" will be a_little_ more > > convenient? ;-) > > Ah, I would have suggested that myself, Poly - if that were possible at > all. Would I not ? > > terminator is not available as a package any more, or at least the last > time I checked. If it yes, then of course, `pkg install terminator` is > immensely preferable. The last version that worked OK for me was 0.97. The newer GTK3 version does interesting stuff with focus and desktop switching. Nik > > > Regards, > > Manish Jain > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 11:03:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B903B818A for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:03:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from msa1.earth.yoonka.com (yoonka.com [88.98.225.149]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "msa1.earth.yoonka.com", Issuer "msa1.earth.yoonka.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTvSF2rqnz4D5N for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:03:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from venus.yoonka.com (venus.yoonka.com [10.70.7.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by msa1.earth.yoonka.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 07GB3sxX083292 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:03:54 GMT (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Subject: Re: Verify user password To: Arthur Chance , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0567033d-fa75-06b2-5629-448fdc507242@qeng-ho.org> From: Grzegorz Junka Message-ID: <091dca7e-28ab-eab0-7265-d0439a732d86@gjunka.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:03:54 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0567033d-fa75-06b2-5629-448fdc507242@qeng-ho.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597575837; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=wNRg2gvwzJXZgZi4bq6UpNSME5vXBQQ2FHjcS2ynj4A=; b=tV+uuI8a7+LQnjLrg0+xQh6LEcP9OV9yRmvbPRgC/NLCXSWnGnXJ8+ZrNFNzdIPnX49vZa iH04/gEqQuCyB0bbXzNaNRe/oiT0wq2BsbNlOUzRYmczE+GU5iG88uLu/nJ6tgPbBxg/Gm VuXO5Lc2P6aBLXeAscQNuopIyeaLUZWE3LgF+9iFU8DnIJGCX24O1BJFKZpt/GQxOQcnKy 3ZDWyuwwiC8SPLyWPO5fIPzddr99+2RyB+Ge6vNcjW/LDJzgXRoZFoG6DcYcRgrzQFgfRV mN8HrSYxyum4wGAMYcBV8Uw+f9pV7B387TcEIRtTiHEAK61qz+e5BjxglXGLcg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597575837; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Yq3jyS4GvJxo2vUOmiI4sqLhO900PVC5z9DU9FSFJjddKgA2wQvNGxLysGtXGHJBAzMPbx ly3M8aTIfyIg6ur2EHIO341gsSA3tvD/aauNx6EZjiEBvOrdbbCygyRyidNwHy1Y7qNNBY lsfkO8CyiK8JPQp0DT7nNDaUta5SSPauTSBc2j2kczr9ELGwS4JFvDsCAgmSGkO/L29/j2 Ayw0O+gBCV1cPmAkM29R7I6hW3W+ABp8X0eT7TYWATEpY29ULxfqsMYGM3FnGvx16xbg5k pGlk6QE4LdOCttW3b5v3sJuvE/XgDrtkDhlqn5BSoMI2eRxi86ZwFolYCXqv+w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list1@gjunka.com designates 88.98.225.149 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list1@gjunka.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BTvSF2rqnz4D5N X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list1@gjunka.com designates 88.98.225.149 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list1@gjunka.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.71 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:88.98.225.149]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.996]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gjunka.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.48)[-0.482]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.927]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:56478, ipnet:88.98.192.0/18, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:03:58 -0000 On 15/08/2020 13:31, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 15/08/2020 13:39, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >> How can I verify if a given password matches the password stored in >> master.passwd database for a user account that is set up with >> /nonexistent and /usr/sbin/nologin (so a user that can't normally login >> to the system but still can have a password stored in the database)? > nologin doesn't stop you logging in, it merely says the account isn't > available and boots you out afterwards, so you should be able to check > the password by trying to log in. I don't think the non-existent home > directory affects that, OK, how can I login with that user then? "su" that user returns "This account is currently not available". "login" that user says "Not a login shell.". The user is configured inside a jail and there is no sshd running. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 11:13:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C133B8687 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:13:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from msa1.earth.yoonka.com (yoonka.com [88.98.225.149]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "msa1.earth.yoonka.com", Issuer "msa1.earth.yoonka.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTvgX27jCz4DcT for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:13:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from venus.yoonka.com (venus.yoonka.com [10.70.7.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by msa1.earth.yoonka.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 07GBDgPJ083443 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:13:42 GMT (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Subject: Re: Verify user password To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200815204911.7007deca.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Grzegorz Junka Message-ID: <6d41a8e6-40a0-26d5-b7b9-b8adabd904d4@gjunka.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:13:42 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200815204911.7007deca.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597576424; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=7yWaeaxfmHr62ChClN3SycbJs0tmT0pCbTvb5Z6RS48=; b=L7U9nihms6S6t3qesLSN6I1dYlO60IPWPZhNPZDUcuzkRIm5haMRAIWSXU93rSuHQHh93I 4/XrkVCn91W4rNxtpVRF29FuI6CsATpCZUnb8krE0VPD9pVCiV99cINWs4TVEbvd/3hAf8 bKA8uG5WENB3E3mvEA7m6bL8WEpjBXZRv/nUUB7gUwjQ24b2gQMPXiZkPl0JpXHfgqFBMd peehXaVfEkG4WVyhFJD0Q/uL88ohycFpJzJzUsOpiUW+gaFDL+umwKNmM6DFItyGmbe/iq 235rzRI//zRVlASdWTYz1ThdZ6CDNqjRBxmizfvu9nrFMDqqzUd9/+PZ5FQhQw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597576424; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=QzxeamnSZNkh+eyi+z8aVT6Jylw94mJrEE8+PmFq8qVH9s5Re+8OaExjLzuigVhFNcoli9 HgKTI3OqC2nnAfZdLYWHGN8QvOo5zGsJEEgMKu82rsZhT1j4xZJOH+k7zYrdZQcAy97y/M yxMCGYzMNpsNRRRJxTQ5PARn9UPko3HuoZq0D6nqr/OVmn3uhSrYED3Nrp12EE/QDOefKf isChTujAyYr5M2kC7nEVqoxSdJvGcVunLu18XI1gpenmGHOgezcJiBRUjrc3bMKp3U0LcS KRKH3sxN3xJuiFL0wiiAkpJZsJ+Z2Fn5zizGGTHTYl3ltvyjswy9i4oekd+i7w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list1@gjunka.com designates 88.98.225.149 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list1@gjunka.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BTvgX27jCz4DcT X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list1@gjunka.com designates 88.98.225.149 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list1@gjunka.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:88.98.225.149]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.996]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gjunka.com]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.48)[-0.480]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.926]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:56478, ipnet:88.98.192.0/18, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:13:45 -0000 On 15/08/2020 18:49, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 12:39:06 +0000, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >> How can I verify if a given password matches the password stored in >> master.passwd database for a user account that is set up with >> /nonexistent and /usr/sbin/nologin (so a user that can't normally login >> to the system but still can have a password stored in the database)? > First of all, /nonexistent and /usr/sbin/nologin have different > purposes: if after a successful login the user's interactive shell > is to be executed, /nonexistent leads to a "cannot find that program > to execute, exiting right now" situation, while /usr/sbin/nologin > can actually be executed and then displays an error message and > exits, terminating the session. > > See "man 1 login" and "man 1 nologin" for details. > > Regarding password verification: > > If you have read access to /etc/master.passwd and the clear text > password of a user, you can use the crypt() function to generate > the encrypted password, and then compare that. I think that is > what you try to do, correct? > > provided: plain-text password P from somewhere > encrypted password E from /etc/master.passwd > > intended: is crypt(P) == E? > > approach: P' = crypt(P) > test if P' == S > > This is of course very simplified. :-) > > See "man 5 passwd" and especially "man 3 crypt" for details. > Yes, the intention is that the user only has an entry in the master.passwd file (so that sendmail service can verify the password against an entry there). It should not be possible for the user to login (meaning, they should not be able to open an interactive session as that user). I did found some manuals that explain how to generate the password, especially when using different hashing than the default one and store such password in the master.passwd. That could work, I just hoped that there is a command line utility that is able to verify the password in the same way the system or any service would do without the trickery of fetching the password from master.passwd, verifying the encryption scheme, encrypting the password with the same scheme, then finally testing if they are the same. 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RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.51)[-1.512]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:48:58 -0000 Hi, I strongly recommend against Enlightenment, since it suffers from all the pi= tfalls all desktop environments suffer from and it=E2=80=99s not maintained b= y such a huge group of maintainers, as other desktop environments are. Btw. s= ince you like to get a modern look, you unlikely like the decades old clumsy= themes available for Enlightenment. If you want to avoid tiling window managers, but want to get something reall= y small, take a look at JWM, it comes close to Openbox and at least on Linux= it is as rock-solid as Openbox is. However, when I migrated away from Xfce years ago on Linux, I tested a lot o= f alternatives and ended with JWM and Openbox. After a while openbox became t= he only WM for me. You could =E2=80=9Cdd=E2=80=9D NomadBSD to an USB stick, to test the look an= d feel of openbox running on FreeBSD, https://nomadbsd.org/screenshots/nomad= bsd-1.3-ss1.png . It=E2=80=99s a live FreeBSD, that by default does use open= box. Unfortunately https://nomadbsd.org/ downloads can=E2=80=99t be checked again= st a signed checksum, but this shouldn=E2=80=99t matter for testing openbox o= n FreeBSD, if you anyway will install a window manager on you machine. Depending on the panel/s etc. you chose, you get the menu and features you w= ant to get for Xfce, without gvfs and other Gnome pitfalls. Regards, Ralf= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 13:09:04 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EA13BB5EA for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTyDb2y0Gz4Lg0 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:09:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B301063C; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:09:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Verify user password To: Grzegorz Junka , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0567033d-fa75-06b2-5629-448fdc507242@qeng-ho.org> <091dca7e-28ab-eab0-7265-d0439a732d86@gjunka.com> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:09:01 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <091dca7e-28ab-eab0-7265-d0439a732d86@gjunka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597583344; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Xe+RHhxyUFfaSxt8k0IhnAyhI1hQeBEvhq2xnyFb1p8=; b=fZqHBlmNuDmaIQa3Yp13sgPNidXTy3FqXA96DWeyxwRRtjEAeJgYyIAd54TWirS4ZfPp8A xa+HoOp4abgT8eK4nE5lz0GuKPHjHTUYIPlLW6ublh0pZX+KoO1GhFvukzAToSKY5+3a7S D+NmhGRKnPDgrS7Al6R/6wE9/9LTZq/67Jxno1cSxV4f/xFYJW8kFr7e3wTXLJIKZSJ3Ye yZHcKW8suw7BsvIm8KgYzYNl7tWQ7NoJV9R5jWxz9qX9HQdJyQPhAuucPN/UmzsQr4UkNL R5WfLvlOBzK6qiTmReTlvaPbAM5a2AOfqJngF9ffdtTJNkMQUi7mpOEPJi6yDw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597583344; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=aPezm/fr11Mb475+Xue/1rLs2wbwKzQftEx7kqjoh5dijmm6QQus7NEz7o4I/O/oMawJmP /gjNs59WuhJ4MNFn7doriQq9BWnKEr+50Y8frjifQPZwDukCpB0i1XYoeEHIXb1ZTgkaLi d5i/09vyotSRjngQ57epBDPFzORoLs1stY134R3JAWOPRLD+rpH5TjP9SFRjIDgUT4L2sq hYmENm2Z7uzZYTCdolLpRrCNCnqbflFBkv/o9e/MciXDalslciAQtJjt8xaLaVqNIxzk/H qYOT2HjA1t8S2ciM4p+OUyJ254ImnvCPWITEFIq53YBqcie39LOg6msn9Rk9Eg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BTyDb2y0Gz4Lg0 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.39 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.05)[-1.046]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.991]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.06)[-1.057]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:09:04 -0000 On 16/08/2020 12:03, Grzegorz Junka wrote: > > On 15/08/2020 13:31, Arthur Chance wrote: >> On 15/08/2020 13:39, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >>> How can I verify if a given password matches the password stored in >>> master.passwd database for a user account that is set up with >>> /nonexistent and /usr/sbin/nologin (so a user that can't normally login >>> to the system but still can have a password stored in the database)? >> nologin doesn't stop you logging in, it merely says the account isn't >> available and boots you out afterwards, so you should be able to check >> the password by trying to log in. I don't think the non-existent home >> directory affects that, > > > OK, how can I login with that user then? "su" that user returns "This > account is currently not available". "login" that user says "Not a login > shell.". The user is configured inside a jail and there is no sshd running. Try using /usr/bin/login, not just "login" which is a shell builtin. -- The number of people predicting the demise of Moore's Law doubles every 18 months. 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NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.023]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.72)[-0.715]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:54:18 -0000 I am looking for specific advice on the best migration path to move up to 4k video. I have no problem with getting a new monitor and a new nVidia-based graphics card. I currently have an Acer E24Y monitor (24" max. resolution 1920x1080) connected to a nVidia GT510 (max. resolution 1920x1080) via HDMI running on a FreeBSD 12.1-pl8 machine. The host hardware is a Ryzen 5 2600X running on a MSI B450 Tomahawk (MS-7C02) with 24 GB of DDR-2667 RAM and a 1 TB SSD. I am also using FreeBSD 12.1-pl8 with x11/xorg-1.20.8_3,1 and x11/nvidia-driver-390-390.138, x11-wm/xfce4-4.14.5 installed. Everything works perfectly with the above hardware and OS/desktop config. Everything is the most recent updates available as of an hour or two ago. Since I have had bad experiences in the past of *SOME* people (most don't do this) giving advice, on this list, that is worse than useless, please note that I will ignore any answer that involves any of the following (any other suggestion is more than welcome): * Switching OS's (Linux will earn you negative points) or OS major versions * Using something different from nVidia (which works just *FINE* despite many false claims to the contrary). The reason is I have used nothing but nVidia on FreeBSD from 2001 on and I have heard far too many horror stories on this list (and elsewhere) about graphics/drm-kmod (especially when coupled with wayland). * Switching desktop environments. (Every other one is far too heavy weight and has too many dependencies on underlying libraries that have Linuxisms that are not transparently compatible with FreeBSD's kernel as it currently is. On the other hand, using a raw WM and building my own DIY desktop environment is more work than I care to do.) * Buying any additional hardware *BEYOND* a new nVidia-based card and a new monitor (and any needed associated cables... note though I have a HDMI switch for four machines and thus prefer not to add to the total count of cables in the setup, although I will if I absolutely must) -- Aryeh M. 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Lots of changes, new stuff, and hard development, very responsive developers, It is also aims to provide compositor for Wayland so probably that would be the first fully featured WM for Wayland :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 15:22:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BE33BF66D for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 15:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BV1Bs6Zq2z4V1H for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 15:22:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 07GFMchN025041 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:22:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Subject: firefox 79 issue w/ spdy in about:config Message-ID: <0516887b-6ea5-f6d6-cf02-639a925ed61d@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:21:06 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:22:38 -0600 (MDT) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597591367; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Gmo8pjpweYb92YXi6s9QTvKWtKYAe9mX02xn3eieDm8=; b=SPKUWa3eHlOZc46yOKXBaxfqTCd+YxIAVOU5t+1UDDeME4rqhv+PpknhZgwJ8ub9DSi/ha dU0LOyoE+EL3BTPAckQaMzbcYh8amJYDtv62aBlglc8qqP6rv6xSh8XAUl7UbVsU7X/MQJ tUbuP2lZZOclREoXDpVm24ZjIHuXaaJNDuonEkDXWZntprvr0nL/rPvyqGyrwYfB53vfzF sXTZB3+1RbtCFVG8JQUn9za77T2WFNzpWa2BsFTWvlKRj0KeWo7HdpcDJFMntykolschF6 nOFmY4xyvGQgvtFlLU9ddvBg6MkcUX6MbG1rHUcAQkxHVg3KLOw3MT0PIoZy2A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597591367; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=oL6I187qi6PDVp/B9UwwbkgOmBrnfK5uyZLPvzzd4bRr0JFcPH86sTj18tJRuKwUHYyY4R Vxv6B2yX50ujvF2ODEfy5gVjylqlGLOB/Ahi6SPcGM07yz1o5rNsPQyuzBLX1swTPDmoKB DtWKUvhhbg+G4X0/0MeSchzfJ4yQZMud291kTETrONm717D27+l/hDRJqWQcbMcdk3z/TV vjuoHDBN/heIj7l8rQvXlcscSA88HD2JP7zCk4Lj1hSP7SWSu6sFmrSBvcULn9Xrrqff6U 2WvvcIc+x6Ac5pf+jpo3MH03SI1OFuQmCoqfVs9V2SDIaU7wdbwOEyzx0Ta2vA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BV1Bs6Zq2z4V1H X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.34 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.035]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.953]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.05)[-1.049]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 15:22:47 -0000 search (using chrome and duckduckgo) didn't come up with anything recent so I'm a bit puzzled... I recently had to pkg remove mysql 5.7 to dump and then install 5.7 back; the result was a bunch of upgrades, including firefox from version 77 to 79. When firefox was restarted, almost no sites worked, including duckduckgo. The recommended solution, from back in 2016, was to set network.http.spdy.enabled.http2=false That solved the issue, but I'd like to understand what's going on. Since ff was working prior to this upgrade, and I don't *think* I set the above config option to true... and since true is the default... can anyone tell me what's going on? Mostly clueless, thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 16:06:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DAA3C033C for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 16:06:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtpg.telissant.net (smtpg.telissant.net [104.225.1.73]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BV29F42kXz4WfX for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 16:06:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from sacada.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpg.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BV29716Q9z1lvRN for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:06:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at telissant.net Received: from smtpg.telissant.net ([127.0.0.1]) by sacada.3dresearch.com (sacada.3dresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H0dzY6oCTXM7 for ; 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R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:104.225.1.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.112.245.31:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 16:06:26 -0000 On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:47:39 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I'm looking for a superdaemon to start, monitor and restart (e.g. in > case of crash) other daemons like squid, syncthing and others. > > At first I wanted to place them into /etc/ttys but then I realized > that I need something more flexible like Linux' systemd or Solaris' > SMF. > > What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement > but as a tool to manage some daemons? Have you looked at sysutils/monit? Probably no rc(8) replacement but has many flexible options especially if you need to monitor misbehaving daemons. 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It was written by Dan Bernstein so it >> is in his quirky style but it works great. >> >> http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html > Can it observe dependencies and a predictable start/stop order? > A commercial tool that does this and more is Scout APM. It's very powerful, completely configurable, and easy to use. 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RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.01)[-1.008]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.004]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 20:07:48 -0000 On 16-08-2020 22:48, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi, > > I strongly recommend against Enlightenment, since it suffers from all > the pitfalls all desktop environments suffer from and it’s not > maintained by such a huge group of maintainers, as other desktop > environments are. I could name any number of projects from single or just one or two developers that have quality and stability that much larger projects don't Ralf. Btw. since you like to get a modern look, you > unlikely like the decades old clumsy themes available for > Enlightenment. And that is _really_ stretching it. I can recall themes and formats of Enlightenment that were too avant garde for me to be bothered with from just a few years ago. Enlightenment now, is nothing like that. I have an enlightenment desktop that has hidden panels that stay away until I need them, and a desktop nobody would be able to put a name to, with all the working real estate I need and any number of virtual windows required. And all for a minimal footprint. I know what the OP is talking about, because I've run XFce, and didn't see the point when all I was getting was all the Gnome kludge I was trying to get away from: that didn't last long at all. https://imgur.com/Qzt1u8R > If you want to avoid tiling window managers, but want to get something > really small, take a look at JWM, it comes close to Openbox and at > least on Linux it is as rock-solid as Openbox is. > > However, when I migrated away from Xfce years ago on Linux, I tested a > lot of alternatives and ended with JWM and Openbox. After a while > openbox became the only WM for me. > > You could “dd†NomadBSD to an USB stick, to test the look and feel of > openbox running on FreeBSD, > https://nomadbsd.org/screenshots/nomadbsd-1.3-ss1.png . It’s a live > FreeBSD, that by default does use openbox. > > Unfortunately https://nomadbsd.org/ downloads can’t be checked against > a signed checksum, but this shouldn’t matter for testing openbox on > FreeBSD, if you anyway will install a window manager on you machine. > > Depending on the panel/s etc. you chose, you get the menu and features > you want to get for Xfce, without gvfs and other Gnome pitfalls. > > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. 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Does that apply to a home NAT? I thought that setup still required a = non-NAT/public facing machine to act as the host. --=20 I take my advice from the advertising world, "Treat me nice," says the party girl. 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MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gjunka.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.53)[-0.526]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.035]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:56478, ipnet:88.98.192.0/18, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 20:48:32 -0000 On 16/08/2020 13:09, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 16/08/2020 12:03, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >> On 15/08/2020 13:31, Arthur Chance wrote: >>> On 15/08/2020 13:39, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >>>> How can I verify if a given password matches the password stored in >>>> master.passwd database for a user account that is set up with >>>> /nonexistent and /usr/sbin/nologin (so a user that can't normally login >>>> to the system but still can have a password stored in the database)? >>> nologin doesn't stop you logging in, it merely says the account isn't >>> available and boots you out afterwards, so you should be able to check >>> the password by trying to log in. I don't think the non-existent home >>> directory affects that, >> >> OK, how can I login with that user then? "su" that user returns "This >> account is currently not available". "login" that user says "Not a login >> shell.". The user is configured inside a jail and there is no sshd running. > Try using /usr/bin/login, not just "login" which is a shell builtin. OK, thank worked! 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We are using it ourselves and advice our hosting custormers to use it. So far it has worked out nicely. It does not have as much features as systemd, but for managing services it can be sufficient. Cheers Lars Am 16.08.20 um 18:06 schrieb Janos Dohanics: > On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:47:39 +0700 > Victor Sudakov wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> I'm looking for a superdaemon to start, monitor and restart (e.g. in >> case of crash) other daemons like squid, syncthing and others.=20 >> >> At first I wanted to place them into /etc/ttys but then I realized >> that I need something more flexible like Linux' systemd or Solaris' >> SMF. >> >> What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement >> but as a tool to manage some daemons? > Have you looked at sysutils/monit? > > Probably no rc(8) replacement but has many flexible options especially > if you need to monitor misbehaving daemons. > > I use it to watch/restart amavisd which on one of my servers fails > sometimes to start after log rotation. > --=20 --- punkt.de GmbH Lars Liedtke =2Einfrastructure Kaiserallee 13a=09 76133 Karlsruhe Tel. +49 721 9109 500 https://infrastructure.punkt.de info@punkt.de AG Mannheim 108285 Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: J=C3=BCrgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fabian St= ein --yqxFe3KO7JMHP463tvPJ1wbohyeVwBFy7-- --hPxnpuqlAwJqoZyb0rrlbNc4LKwqRVQgl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Get them to give you an additional ipv6 subnet and run ssh on port 80 or= whatever only on that. You only need 1 bastion goat to get through usin= g ssh ProxyCommand. Or if that=E2=80=99s not possible run haproxy or similar in front of wha= tever http(s) traffic is allowed, and use tcp detection to redirect actu= al ssh traffic to ssh while letting the rest through. https://coolaj86.com/articles/adventures-in-haproxy-tcp-tls-https-ssh-op= envpn/ https://blog.chmd.fr/ssh-over-ssl-episode-4-a-haproxy-based-configuratio= n.html https://github.com/yrutschle/sslh I=E2=80=99m all until next week but if you want a hand figuring this out= remind me offline on Monday. If they allow udp traffic then consider sticking ZeroTier or wireguard i= n and using that. Both are free and don=E2=80=99t need =E2=80=98dangerou= s tcp=E2=80=99... I prefer using haproxy as we use it everywhere but the basic idea (port = share, detect traffic type, proxy tcp) has multiple solutions. > So how do we/the client tell the hosting company they are full of sh*t= (the > client has a 3 year contract with a pay in full to break clause with t= hem > which would be over $100k to break) This is what account managers are good for.=20 Get your customer=E2=80=99s account manager to talk with their account m= anager and explain that you=E2=80=99ll pull the plug and lawyer up, if = std unix ssh isn=E2=80=99t allowed and point out that google and aws sup= port it. They always cave. Make sure your acct manager is prepped on the= tech first. how did anybody manage to set these boxes up? It must have been painful.= Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 17 09:20:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BE63ACDAA for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BVT6R2d1Pz4Rb7 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:20:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A3610276A; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:20:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V3S72RIE9tBJ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:20:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-macbook-pro.fritz.box (p57b45204.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.180.82.4]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A105B102769; 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DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.13)[0.130]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.29)[0.288]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:20:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5035597A-6DE0-4CE8-82C3-D66437FC9946 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Am 14.08.2020 um 22:46 schrieb Polytropon : >=20 > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 22:38:05 +0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> neither less or cat works. I cannot totally exclude that the media = don=E2=80=99t fit. >> The ones in questions here are CP/M 68k format. They are DD-DT. >=20 > In this case, using fdcontrol to change the drive's settings > is probably the correct way to go. Use the command >=20 > % fdcontrol -F -v /dev/fd0 >=20 > to see what drive and disk can tell about themselves. If that > is not correct, use fdcontrol's -s option to change the drive's > view. >=20 It looks like whatever medium I insert, I=E2=80=99m always getting: # fdcontrol -F -v /dev/fd0 /dev/fd0: 1200 KB media type Format: 15,512,0xff,0x1b,80,500,2,0x54,1,0,+mfm,+auto Sector size: 512 Sectors/track: 15 Heads/cylinder: 2 Cylinders/disk: 80 Transfer rate: 500 kbps Sector gap: 27 Format gap: 84 Interleave: 1 Side offset: 0 Flags #=20 Inserting a medium which I marked DD-DT (double density double track) at = the time I wrote it, gives: # fdread -d /dev/fd0 -o fd_dump Reading 80 * 2 * 15 * 512 medium at /dev/fd0 >=20 >=20 >> OTOH, dd normally used to work on this kind of devices, didn=E2=80=99t = it? >=20 > If the (hardware) formatting deviates too much from what the > drive's settings expect, it will only result in read errors. > This where something within the chain "OS - controller - drive - > medium" does not match the expectations. This is where fdcontrol > can be used to change those expectations. :-) BTW, looks like Ubuntu Linux adopted the FreeBSD floppy interface, did = they? --Apple-Mail=_5035597A-6DE0-4CE8-82C3-D66437FC9946 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCCc0w ggSQMIIDeKADAgECAggYVYMhomAL1zANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADBmMQswCQYDVQQGEwJERTEzMDEG A1UECgwqREdOIERldXRzY2hlcyBHZXN1bmRoZWl0c25ldHogU2VydmljZSBHbWJIMSIwIAYDVQQD DBlkZ25zZXJ2aWNlIENBIDIgVHlwZSBFOlBOMB4XDTIwMDUxNjE1Mjc1OVoXDTIxMDUxNjE1Mjc1 OVowbzELMAkGA1UEBhMCREUxITAfBgNVBAUTGDQwMDAwMDAwNWVjMDA4ZGQzNzNhZDhlYzEbMBkG A1UEAwwSQ2hyaXN0b3BoIEt1a3VsaWVzMSAwHgYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhFrdWt1QGt1a3VsaWVzLm9y ZzCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAKug1655hQWRmOtGAShZLbMwDtrm7rAH 7p1oPtE/5KpTpJZe8LHPxxvW0EAd2JcLtEhdvAi7smhZ/giJ3IBK7OYmdaCvuQ6MFvJpkmLkQ9TO 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X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:37:25 -0000 On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 4:51 AM Dave Cottlehuber wrote: > Get your customer=E2=80=99s account manager to talk with their account ma= nager and > explain that you=E2=80=99ll pull the plug and lawyer up, if std unix ssh= isn=E2=80=99t > allowed and point out that google and aws support it. They always cave. > Make sure your acct manager is prepped on the tech first. > > how did anybody manage to set these boxes up? It must have been painful. > Read the entire thread to see why your idea likely will not work... I will just start with there is no IPv6 allowed by the provider (not configured on their firewall and they refuse to)... continuing onto the hosting company is *WORSE* than useless in the technical arena (especially the account rep we have)... The set up we described it what they are *ATTEMPTING* to force us to move to from something that currently works near the standard way and thus setting up and maintain currently is not an issue (it will be if they insist on forcing us to move)... they really don't care about the legal ramifications and threatened potential counter suits if we insist on the current setup.... they also have said they consider any 3rd party proxy/firewall to be a violation of the contract (end of story). You will also see from our config Google/AWS/any other name brand provider/etc. would be incapable of the level of customization needed without a price tag many times larger than the cost of breaking the contract. --=20 Aryeh M. 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Rather than use ipfw or pf, I am hoping to offload some of the packet filtering to the features on the card. Does it save CPU processing power in the end ? Is there a sweet spot to using it, or am I better off using ipfw ? I am looking at dropping traffic in the 2-5Gb/s range filtering out bogons and other bad packets. Would appreciate any examples / caveats / tip on how to use it as the docs are kind of sparse. 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Before getting into configuration settings I need to be sure that I have the correct drivers installed. What version of the nvidia-driver pkg is required for this card? 440,390.340, or 304? Which drm module pkg is required: drm-fbsd12.0-kmod, drm-legacy-kmod, or drm-kmod? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Unencrypted messages have no legal claim to privacy Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Byrne via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > The Nvidia card reports itself as a GTK-730 which, according to Wikipedia, > appares to be a 2006 vintage card. Before getting into configuration > settings > I need to be sure that I have the correct drivers installed. > There is no such thing as a gtk-730 so I will assume you mean a gt730 (no "k"). What version of the nvidia-driver pkg is required for this card? > 440,390.340, > or 304? > Likely 390 (440 has dropped support for some cards in the 500-700 model range I am not sure what 304 supports but I am sure 390 does support since my 710 works fine with it). > > Which drm module pkg is required: drm-fbsd12.0-kmod, drm-legacy-kmod, or > drm-kmod? > *DO NOT* mix drm and nvidia-driver... no drm version supports nvidia directly with all capabilities.. so do not install any of them. -- Aryeh M. 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R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f3e0::/32]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[pyroxene2a.sentex.ca]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.92)[-0.917]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[pyroxene2a.sentex.ca]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.58)[-0.578]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sentex.net]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:09:51 -0000 Actually, found this very cool reference which is exactly what I am looking for https://bsdrp.net/documentation/examples/dropping_packets_at_high_rate     ---Mike On 8/17/2020 9:13 AM, mike tancsa wrote: > Has anyone used the packet filtering features of the T520 and T540 cards > on FreeBSD ? Rather than use ipfw or pf, I am hoping to offload some of > the packet filtering to the features on the card. Does it save CPU > processing power in the end ? Is there a sweet spot to using it, or am I > better off using ipfw ? I am looking at dropping traffic in the 2-5Gb/s > range filtering out bogons and other bad packets. > > Would appreciate any examples / caveats / tip on how to use it as the > docs are kind of sparse. Using it on RELENG_12 > >     ---Mike > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 17 18:14:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CF13B8A9E for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 18:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BVhyJ5mRfz42wx for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 18:14:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC987202DD for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 14:14:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pd8QL6uLmh1c for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 14:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B714E202D4 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 14:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 14:14:13 -0400 Message-ID: <66e8ebe25c8952ef651ecdb46a8b4dc1.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:09:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Nvidia on FreeBSD From: "James B. 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One of these is presently attached to the DVI port of the Nvidia card. It is considered unknow by mate and reporta a resolution of 1024 x 768 but the display looks more like 800 x 600. What are the next steps to get this thing recognized. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Unencrypted messages have no legal claim to privacy Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Byrne via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > These are the installed packages relating to nvidia: > > [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x drm > libdrm-2.4.102,1 > > > [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x nvidia > nvidia-driver-390-390.138 > > This is what I have in rc.conf: > > kld_list="cuse fuse linux nvidia nvidia-modeset" > > > This is everything from dmesg that I can identify as being related to > nvidia or > video: > > VT(vga): resolution 640x480 > > > > vtvga0: on motherboard > > > > hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 > hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 > pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 > pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 > > > > nvidia0: on vgapci0 > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX > platforms > 390.138 Thu May 14 04:04:42 PDT 2020 > > > > AMD-Vi: IVRS Info VAsize = 64 PAsize = 48 GVAsize = 2 flags:0 > driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) ivhd0: > on acpi0 > ivhd0: Flag:b0 > ivhd0: Features(type:0x11) MsiNumPPR = 0 PNBanks= 2 PNCounters= 0 > ivhd0: Extended features[31:0]:22294ada HATS = > 0x2 > GATS = 0x0 GLXSup = 0x1 SmiFSup = 0x1 SmiFRC = 0x2 GAMSup = 0x1 > DualPortLogSup > = 0x2 DualEventLogSup = 0x2 > ivhd0: Extended features[62:32]:f77ef Max PASID: 0x2f DevTblSegSup > = 0x3 > MarcSup = 0x1 > ivhd0: supported paging level:7, will use only: 4 > ivhd0: device range: 0x0 - 0xffff > ivhd0: PCI cap 0x190b640f@0x40 feature:19 > > > I have two Ancore Communiucations Inc. 23" monitors that previously ran at > 1920 > x 1080, 60 Hz. One of these is presently attached to the DVI port of the > Nvidia card. It is considered unknow by mate and reporta a resolution of > 1024 > x 768 but the display looks more like 800 x 600. > > What are the next steps to get this thing recognized. > Steps: 1. Remove all mention of DRM from your configs and delete the kld_list line from /etc/rc.conf 1. deinstall/delete *ALL* packages 2. Get a copy of the /usr/ports directly that is recent 3. Build /usr/ports/X11/nvidia-driver-390 from source as follows: (optional) cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster cd /usr/ports rehash portmaster X11/nvidia-driver-390 4. Add to /boot/loader.conf: nvidia-modeset_enable="YES" 5. Reboot 6. Reinstall whatever other X stuff you want (after verifying that nvdia-modeset is loaded) -- Aryeh M. 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Byrne via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > >> >> These are the installed packages relating to nvidia: >> >> [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x drm >> libdrm-2.4.102,1 >> >> >> [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x nvidia >> nvidia-driver-390-390.138 >> >> This is what I have in rc.conf: >> >> kld_list="cuse fuse linux nvidia nvidia-modeset" >> >> >> This is everything from dmesg that I can identify as being related to >> nvidia or >> video: >> >> VT(vga): resolution 640x480 >> >> >> >> vtvga0: on motherboard >> >> >> >> hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 >> hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 >> pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 >> pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 >> >> >> >> nvidia0: on vgapci0 >> vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io >> vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io >> nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX >> platforms >> 390.138 Thu May 14 04:04:42 PDT 2020 >> >> >> >> AMD-Vi: IVRS Info VAsize = 64 PAsize = 48 GVAsize = 2 flags:0 >> driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) ivhd0: >> on acpi0 >> ivhd0: Flag:b0 >> ivhd0: Features(type:0x11) MsiNumPPR = 0 PNBanks= 2 PNCounters= 0 >> ivhd0: Extended features[31:0]:22294ada HATS = >> 0x2 >> GATS = 0x0 GLXSup = 0x1 SmiFSup = 0x1 SmiFRC = 0x2 GAMSup = 0x1 >> DualPortLogSup >> = 0x2 DualEventLogSup = 0x2 >> ivhd0: Extended features[62:32]:f77ef Max PASID: 0x2f DevTblSegSup >> = 0x3 >> MarcSup = 0x1 >> ivhd0: supported paging level:7, will use only: 4 >> ivhd0: device range: 0x0 - 0xffff >> ivhd0: PCI cap 0x190b640f@0x40 feature:19 >> >> >> I have two Ancore Communiucations Inc. 23" monitors that previously ran >> at 1920 >> x 1080, 60 Hz. One of these is presently attached to the DVI port of the >> Nvidia card. It is considered unknow by mate and reporta a resolution of >> 1024 >> x 768 but the display looks more like 800 x 600. >> >> What are the next steps to get this thing recognized. >> > > Steps: > 1. Remove all mention of DRM from your configs and delete the kld_list > line from /etc/rc.conf > 1. deinstall/delete *ALL* packages > 2. Get a copy of the /usr/ports directly that is recent > 3. Build /usr/ports/X11/nvidia-driver-390 from source as follows: > (optional) cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster > cd /usr/ports > rehash > portmaster X11/nvidia-driver-390 > 4. Add to /boot/loader.conf: > nvidia-modeset_enable="YES" > 5. Reboot > 6. Reinstall whatever other X stuff you want (after verifying that > nvdia-modeset is loaded) > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- Aryeh M. 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Here is mine: Graphics Processor: GeForce GT 710 NVIDIA Driver Version: 440.82 X log: [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Sangyo MS09 (DFP-0): connected [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Sangyo MS09 (DFP-0): Internal TMDS [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Sangyo MS09 (DFP-0): 340.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 119.772] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-1): connected [ 119.772] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-1): Internal TMDS [ 119.772] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-1): 340.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 119.782] (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated MetaModes: [ 119.782] (II) NVIDIA(0): "DFP-0:1920x1080+1920+0,DFP-1:1920x1080+0+0" -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... 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Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > Yes! > > Here is mine: > > Graphics Processor: GeForce GT 710 > NVIDIA Driver Version: 440.82 > > X log: > > [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Sangyo MS09 (DFP-0): connected > [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Sangyo MS09 (DFP-0): Internal TMDS > [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Sangyo MS09 (DFP-0): 340.0 MHz maximum > pixel clock > [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): > [ 119.772] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-1): connected > [ 119.772] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-1): Internal TMDS > [ 119.772] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-1): 340.0 MHz > maximum pixel clock > > [ 119.782] (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated MetaModes: > [ 119.782] (II) NVIDIA(0): > "DFP-0:1920x1080+1920+0,DFP-1:1920x1080+0+0" > Just to give more evidence here is the log from my desktop (the machine I want to upgrade to 4k [currently looking at a gt1030 and Acer CB282K for the upgrade [both are listed in /usr/local/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README as being fully supported with driver version 390]): [ 228.178] (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" [ 228.178] compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 [ 228.178] Module class: X.Org Server Extension [ 228.178] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 390.138 Thu May 14 03:59:36 PDT 2020 [ 228.178] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" [ 228.178] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so [ 228.197] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" [ 228.197] compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 [ 228.197] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 228.198] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 390.138 Thu May 14 03:37:42 PDT 2020 [ 228.198] (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs ... [ 228.206] (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 [ 228.206] (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888 [ 228.206] (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor [ 228.206] (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) [ 228.208] (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling 2D acceleration [ 229.261] (--) NVIDIA(0): Valid display device(s) on GPU-0 at PCI:37:0:0 [ 229.261] (--) NVIDIA(0): CRT-0 [ 229.261] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-0 [ 229.261] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-1 (boot) [ 229.264] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce GT 710 (GK208) at PCI:37:0:0 (GPU-0) [ 229.264] (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 2097152 kBytes [ 229.264] (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 80.28.a6.00.11 [ 229.264] (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 8X [ 229.265] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: disconnected [ 229.265] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 229.265] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 229.266] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: disconnected [ 229.266] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: Internal TMDS [ 229.266] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: 330.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 229.266] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 229.297] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Acer ET241Y (DFP-1): connected [ 229.297] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Acer ET241Y (DFP-1): Internal TMDS [ 229.297] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Acer ET241Y (DFP-1): 340.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 229.297] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 229.301] (==) NVIDIA(0): [ 229.301] (==) NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested; the default mode "nvidia-auto-select" [ 229.301] (==) NVIDIA(0): will be used as the requested mode. [ 229.301] (==) NVIDIA(0): [ 229.302] (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated MetaModes: [ 229.302] (II) NVIDIA(0): "DFP-1:nvidia-auto-select" [ 229.302] (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1920 x 1080 [ 229.307] (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (92, 91); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config [ 229.307] (--) NVIDIA(0): option [ 229.308] (II) NVIDIA: Reserving 6144.00 MB of virtual memory for indirect memory [ 229.308] (II) NVIDIA: access. [ 229.343] (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "DFP-1:nvidia-auto-select" [ 229.413] (==) NVIDIA(0): Disabling shared memory pixmaps [ 229.413] (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store enabled [ 229.413] (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled [ 229.415] (**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled [ 229.416] (II) Loading sub module "dri2" [ 229.416] (II) LoadModule: "dri2" [ 229.416] (II) Module "dri2" already built-in [ 229.417] (II) NVIDIA(0): [DRI2] Setup complete [ 229.417] (II) NVIDIA(0): [DRI2] VDPAU driver: nvidia And here is the log from my file server on the machine with the 710 (don't ask why I have the newer card in a non-desktop ;-) ... answer: laziness since there is no substantial difference for my current setup): [ 93.483] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so [ 93.538] (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" [ 93.538] compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 [ 93.538] Module class: X.Org Server Extension [ 93.538] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 390.138 Thu May 14 03:59:36 PDT 2020 [ 93.539] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" [ 93.540] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so [ 93.547] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" [ 93.547] compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 [ 93.547] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 93.548] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 390.138 Thu May 14 03:37:42 PDT 2020 [ 93.548] (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs ... [ 94.532] (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 [ 94.532] (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888 [ 94.532] (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor [ 94.532] (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) [ 94.532] (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling 2D acceleration [ 95.395] (--) NVIDIA(0): Valid display device(s) on GPU-0 at PCI:41:0:0 [ 95.395] (--) NVIDIA(0): CRT-0 [ 95.395] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-0 [ 95.395] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-1 (boot) [ 95.396] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce GT 710 (GK208) at PCI:41:0:0 (GPU-0) [ 95.396] (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 1048576 kBytes [ 95.396] (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 80.28.a6.00.51 [ 95.396] (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 8X [ 95.397] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: disconnected [ 95.397] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 95.397] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 95.398] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: disconnected [ 95.398] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: Internal TMDS [ 95.398] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: 330.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 95.398] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 95.429] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Acer ET241Y (DFP-1): connected [ 95.429] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Acer ET241Y (DFP-1): Internal TMDS [ 95.429] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Acer ET241Y (DFP-1): 340.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 95.429] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 95.432] (==) NVIDIA(0): [ 95.432] (==) NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested; the default mode "nvidia-auto-select" [ 95.432] (==) NVIDIA(0): will be used as the requested mode. [ 95.432] (==) NVIDIA(0): [ 95.432] (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated MetaModes: [ 95.432] (II) NVIDIA(0): "DFP-1:nvidia-auto-select" [ 95.432] (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1920 x 1080 [ 95.435] (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (92, 91); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config [ 95.436] (--) NVIDIA(0): option [ 95.436] (II) NVIDIA: Reserving 6144.00 MB of virtual memory for indirect memory [ 95.436] (II) NVIDIA: access. [ 95.466] (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "DFP-1:nvidia-auto-select" [ 95.525] (==) NVIDIA(0): Disabling shared memory pixmaps [ 95.525] (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store enabled [ 95.525] (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled [ 95.527] (**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 18 06:08:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE813AF5F9 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:08:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BW0pF67tLz4m3j for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=EKQ0BIDn8VeD6B9vdFCwUHrhZdPfjdgAvN0PIUQvLlg=; b=QJgt807P/hTjHSSP3rHOmHQuR4 /kcwFu1P4fTk0VQKvRnzQtCllcvh4YOT0pHucPiwkJmw3+lYQXywAPQYty25l21ZTNMrfQ471o43K 8bFC9evDqpbUcKgO0Tjpaq++t9oh6FC2jGmE2YbN+BqY2lkhhOp2P1PAkAC+e6217lVo=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1k7un7-000KFh-Pb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:08:13 +0700 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:08:13 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: need a systemd Message-ID: <20200818060813.GA77756@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200816024739.GB23449@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200816031245.024901EA7741@ary.local> <20200816034407.GB24454@admin.sibptus.ru> <740dd191-308b-a1b4-5aa8-d595a065cd19@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <740dd191-308b-a1b4-5aa8-d595a065cd19@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597730902; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:dkim-signature; bh=EKQ0BIDn8VeD6B9vdFCwUHrhZdPfjdgAvN0PIUQvLlg=; b=NawH5C1BBwIJCScwj8ceiGWu7elleXRNhV3K+mnEuyjN9zlw8uLki0JUBA/XXjhSyd9o+l lrQn0O3L8NhKHwEXrFQ/dokElJFRfbuygwgHZ66dJBG+7P55Cy1SUgB8bEG4Sy46KjaGvI sra1PYNcDvxUJcAXs1PJa9KPlPJRVmg+cF2dueqPjNn6i8RmtvkSIFMTc9gz64P6ex2rTh qos/pHt5JzRlNRCo4PzEJlZUcvMqdbBpvxqu194XF/zdErUY0hSGb5j6LxyEJvyY/mUlmn XvYTEh+Qc62lBk0OiO4rrdbzTLeK5gNz8Ggk5E9E8Tv8Jo7I27F5VKlNQwNr6Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597730902; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=jR4k/asfI+BFSnn9vU+xzKFiNl6lsLO7LQi/jq8r+yymG06c2AaqzIMTrxlO6MpWqvWP8P JAZ19UMyRfY5Pn8vJThDLn3yqALoDOpkHgtlXPL8PnNFqJx+uBXzd427f3VlmwPbg7ZVtP A77miy05UJN008LAjSrnrNZJ/zRq+rnmwltV/7yOlK+jPAZAzmC01i0h58Pr75qCDR9nR3 dlxYJE37oT7SEU1S6ZOL0vf5P80xJrTjVs9O6rxye15qGr1rBQ5ODMk7zQWkG5kUSLdYwu G3BDla7kXu1Vu2ZHXwY+VPLeFNlt8PlrygxkG7OsEKoBJ/JrtMV3rN+M09nWbg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=QJgt807P; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BW0pF67tLz4m3j X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=QJgt807P; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.006]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.024]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.36)[-0.361]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:08:23 -0000 --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don Wilde wrote: > > > http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html > > Can it observe dependencies and a predictable start/stop order? > >=20 > A commercial tool that does this and more is Scout APM. It's very powerfu= l, > completely configurable, and easy to use. You won't learn as much as you > would by building from daemon or daemontools, but, well one chooses where= to > invest ones' time. :D An interesting thing this https://scoutapm.com/, but kind of overkill for my purposes. 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ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.009]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.025]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.32)[-0.323]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:11:00 -0000 --+pHx0qQiF2pBVqBT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Janos Dohanics wrote: > >=20 > > What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement > > but as a tool to manage some daemons? >=20 > Have you looked at sysutils/monit? >=20 > Probably no rc(8) replacement but has many flexible options especially > if you need to monitor misbehaving daemons. Thanks, will definitely look at it. 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Yes, except the name is a bit different: py36-supervisor and py27-supervisor; the description is "System for controlling process state under UNIX", and it's quite low on dependencies (python, readline, ncurses and a few others). There are also binary packages available (named as seen above). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.77)[-0.773]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:32:11 -0000 --VMt1DrMGOVs3KQwf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @lbutlr wrote: > On 15 Aug 2020, at 20:38, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > @lbutlr wrote: > >>=20 > >> This is what I have been doing for years to get ssh access (an other p= orts) into my LAN, though I go with the easier to remember method of > >>=20 > >> 2202 =3D> lan.2:22 > >> 2212 =3D> lan.12:22 > >> 22107 =3D> lan.107:22 > >>=20 > >> (So 192.168.0.2 or 10.0.32.12 or however you have your LAN setup) > >=20 > > I used this for years but then I learnt about the concept of bastion > > host (the ProxyJump option in ssh_config) and forgot about all this > > hassle with port forwarding. >=20 > Does that apply to a home NAT? I thought that setup still required a non-= NAT/public facing machine to act as the host. The bastion host's port 22 should be reachable from the public Internet, and all other internal ssh servers should be reachable from the bastion hos= t itself. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --VMt1DrMGOVs3KQwf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfO3XpAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0LWwH/jN4GRm75HFzlSWH1YSaGpbT 2jzBy0SCevsYtKBKGvsL5ft1lE+bT4sb+o3mqQcQvpiAf0LAn1CLlNwnzNjdhRmT gs1quTEwOUY+xUfoDTKrYif0g7ZGAhcdVhe9JFKK2Her+aBWTcQtxSwxNo3W0UZb pW2mLuVQskNBNO9k4D5+7XfPVN/N4oUVZJAdGxS9d89eN7IKmXO9HTkML4aZHt72 2aqXUFyaRj1QTCQmwbQBPbOqWo5+V5KfZU9IuCgHNbA5+JLqKUTxs0YgibleCI3M /hOCWgwAm4qyuU0jaKup3/rMLEh+fLXaQjNiQz+MUgrabfuiVk4lCZamK51/BS4= =QixP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VMt1DrMGOVs3KQwf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 18 07:12:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3236A3B18B9 for ; 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However I use sysutils/s6 for process management and sysutils/s6-rc for service management These are not as easy as monit to pick-up. The dependency chain is s6-rc s6 execline - this used to be a hard requirement for log mgt but /bin/sh is ok skalibs - is required, though I don't deploy this in production The maintainer for each of monit and s6-rc & friends do a good job looking after them. (When I was "field testing", I'd kill a maintained service and it auto-restarted within 120ms. I had to slow it down to reduce ROP data collection. ;) ) There is no need to replace rc, but there are benefits to doing so. In my case, one of the drivers was log file management, and s6-log enabled me to pipe a log logs from one jail into another. :) Enjoy. refer https://www.skarnet.org/software/s6-rc/ On 18/08/2020 4:10 pm, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Janos Dohanics wrote: >>> >>> What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement >>> but as a tool to manage some daemons? >> >> Have you looked at sysutils/monit? >> >> Probably no rc(8) replacement but has many flexible options especially >> if you need to monitor misbehaving daemons. > > Thanks, will definitely look at it. The description looks promising. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 18 15:39:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D3B3BFBDB for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:39:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pulley@dabus.com) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (aegir.dabus.com [166.70.184.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BWFTW3Qv4z4GMV for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:39:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pulley@dabus.com) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (aegir [166.70.184.35]) by aegir.dabus.com (Processor) with ESMTP id C874B11EC00 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 09:39:34 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=dabus.com; h=date:from:to :subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=aegir1; bh=wMQn0Cbs0x 6UVku2W2X1cokGejI=; b=eKcB2RaY+THOk8vif2t4B1nus98ZC+xTb6wu6MK1wl /jX07Oi8Bbgwm2e6GotBYm/mnhqSjtT6e32ZlR+gtucgnmxtFA48lpIvFTa16siY SmTv+yIWVufyPfrGeNzGtglwFoqMpohmqytkA+4LJsPJTBhEVhuXGlgpKJGFuVXB k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=dabus.com; h=date:from:to :subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=aegir1; b=g9fN 0VsKMkpJxQHHDjhPOCo0ImlJNl3fjHncbvYq2SfFCc1eJI7LqnnyxRTiwBMaEPzM ArC3ItXx4sfzmx0jFAwtKgHtx6xtNHHFtXhCHe/qmK7HpNkYH/hXMD81CRu+SdtN q8KXV6xYtCVFJ7Uu/cY0zCm0I5azFS6TMP24P7w= Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.10.6]) by aegir.dabus.com (Dabus) with ESMTPA id C033511EBFD for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 09:39:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 09:39:33 -0600 From: Eric S Pulley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nvidia on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20200818093933.0000195e@dabus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <66e8ebe25c8952ef651ecdb46a8b4dc1.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Organization: Dabus X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWFTW3Qv4z4GMV X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=dabus.com header.s=aegir1 header.b=eKcB2RaY; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pulley@dabus.com designates 166.70.184.35 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pulley@dabus.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.78 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dabus.com:s=aegir1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SH_EMAIL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[0.0.0.64:email]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dabus.com]; DBL_PROHIBIT(0.00)[0.0.0.64:email]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dabus.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.38)[-0.376]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6315, ipnet:166.70.0.0/16, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:39:44 -0000 On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 14:43:54 -0400 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 2:14 PM James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > > These are the installed packages relating to nvidia: > > > > [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x drm > > libdrm-2.4.102,1 > > > > > > [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x nvidia > > nvidia-driver-390-390.138 > > > > This is what I have in rc.conf: > > > > kld_list="cuse fuse linux nvidia nvidia-modeset" > > > > > > This is everything from dmesg that I can identify as being related > > to nvidia or > > video: > > > > VT(vga): resolution 640x480 > > > > > > > > vtvga0: on motherboard > > > > > > > > hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 > > hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 > > pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 > > pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 > > > > > > > > nvidia0: on vgapci0 > > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > > nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX > > platforms > > 390.138 Thu May 14 04:04:42 PDT 2020 > > > > > > > > AMD-Vi: IVRS Info VAsize = 64 PAsize = 48 GVAsize = 2 flags:0 > > driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) > > ivhd0: on acpi0 > > ivhd0: Flag:b0 > > ivhd0: Features(type:0x11) MsiNumPPR = 0 PNBanks= 2 PNCounters= 0 > > ivhd0: Extended features[31:0]:22294ada > > HATS = 0x2 > > GATS = 0x0 GLXSup = 0x1 SmiFSup = 0x1 SmiFRC = 0x2 GAMSup = 0x1 > > DualPortLogSup > > = 0x2 DualEventLogSup = 0x2 > > ivhd0: Extended features[62:32]:f77ef Max PASID: 0x2f > > DevTblSegSup = 0x3 > > MarcSup = 0x1 > > ivhd0: supported paging level:7, will use only: 4 > > ivhd0: device range: 0x0 - 0xffff > > ivhd0: PCI cap 0x190b640f@0x40 feature:19 > > > > > > I have two Ancore Communiucations Inc. 23" monitors that previously > > ran at 1920 > > x 1080, 60 Hz. One of these is presently attached to the DVI port > > of the Nvidia card. It is considered unknow by mate and reporta a > > resolution of 1024 > > x 768 but the display looks more like 800 x 600. > > > > What are the next steps to get this thing recognized. > > > > Steps: > 1. Remove all mention of DRM from your configs and delete the > kld_list line from /etc/rc.conf > 1. deinstall/delete *ALL* packages > 2. Get a copy of the /usr/ports directly that is recent > 3. Build /usr/ports/X11/nvidia-driver-390 from source as follows: > (optional) cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster > cd /usr/ports > rehash > portmaster X11/nvidia-driver-390 > 4. Add to /boot/loader.conf: > nvidia-modeset_enable="YES" > 5. Reboot > 6. Reinstall whatever other X stuff you want (after verifying that > nvdia-modeset is loaded) Why such a drastic step as to have him remove everything? Nivida FreeBSD drivers usually just work. Seems over kill to have hem remove and hand compile everything. Just remove anything nvidia then install: nvidia-driver-390 nvidia-xconfig-440 nvidia-settings-440 make sure: nvidia-modeset_load="YES" is in loader.conf and: linux_enable="YES" is in rc.conf. reboot (or do the kldload commands but rebooting makes sure you got it right.) and run: nvidia-xconfig Start X. it should come up on both monitors. If it only comes up on one or it's mirrored or the wrong res run nvidia-settings and set it how you want. May want to just do startx and make sure it works with twm and get you res/monitor layout set before adding in any DE's Once that all works if you need additional fonts or other stuff added to you xconf add them in by hand. Remember to "Merge" the file if you ever need to save a xconf fron nvidia-settings again. Working fine for *long* time now with my gtx5xx-9xx cards here. 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Byrne via freebsd-questions < > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > These are the installed packages relating to nvidia: > > > > > > [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x drm > > > libdrm-2.4.102,1 > > > > > > > > > [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x nvidia > > > nvidia-driver-390-390.138 > > > > > > This is what I have in rc.conf: > > > > > > kld_list="cuse fuse linux nvidia nvidia-modeset" > > > > > > > > > This is everything from dmesg that I can identify as being related > > > to nvidia or > > > video: > > > > > > VT(vga): resolution 640x480 > > > > > > > > > > > > vtvga0: on motherboard > > > > > > > > > > > > hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 > > > hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 > > > pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 > > > pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 > > > > > > > > > > > > nvidia0: on vgapci0 > > > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > > > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > > > nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX > > > platforms > > > 390.138 Thu May 14 04:04:42 PDT 2020 > > > > > > > > > > > > AMD-Vi: IVRS Info VAsize = 64 PAsize = 48 GVAsize = 2 flags:0 > > > driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) > > > ivhd0: on acpi0 > > > ivhd0: Flag:b0 > > > ivhd0: Features(type:0x11) MsiNumPPR = 0 PNBanks= 2 PNCounters= 0 > > > ivhd0: Extended features[31:0]:22294ada > > > HATS = 0x2 > > > GATS = 0x0 GLXSup = 0x1 SmiFSup = 0x1 SmiFRC = 0x2 GAMSup = 0x1 > > > DualPortLogSup > > > = 0x2 DualEventLogSup = 0x2 > > > ivhd0: Extended features[62:32]:f77ef Max PASID: 0x2f > > > DevTblSegSup = 0x3 > > > MarcSup = 0x1 > > > ivhd0: supported paging level:7, will use only: 4 > > > ivhd0: device range: 0x0 - 0xffff > > > ivhd0: PCI cap 0x190b640f@0x40 feature:19 > > > > > > > > > I have two Ancore Communiucations Inc. 23" monitors that previously > > > ran at 1920 > > > x 1080, 60 Hz. One of these is presently attached to the DVI port > > > of the Nvidia card. It is considered unknow by mate and reporta a > > > resolution of 1024 > > > x 768 but the display looks more like 800 x 600. > > > > > > What are the next steps to get this thing recognized. > > > > > > > Steps: > > 1. Remove all mention of DRM from your configs and delete the > > kld_list line from /etc/rc.conf > > 1. deinstall/delete *ALL* packages > > 2. Get a copy of the /usr/ports directly that is recent > > 3. Build /usr/ports/X11/nvidia-driver-390 from source as follows: > > (optional) cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster > > cd /usr/ports > > rehash > > portmaster X11/nvidia-driver-390 > > 4. Add to /boot/loader.conf: > > nvidia-modeset_enable="YES" > > 5. Reboot > > 6. Reinstall whatever other X stuff you want (after verifying that > > nvdia-modeset is loaded) > > Why such a drastic step as to have him remove everything? Nivida > FreeBSD drivers usually just work. Seems over kill to have hem remove > and hand compile everything. > You are usually correct but in some cases having drm stuff around pollutes/corrupts things. The problem is DRMisms go all the way down the X stack and thus the need to get rid of them all (yes you could track down ever last one of them and delete only those packages but their is over a hundred to look through and if you miss one it gets really screwed up). Case in point I decided to try DRM a while back on the machine that has the gt510 on it because someone claimed nVidia now worked with DRM (it doesn't!!) and had all kinds of problems until I did the steps I recommended when it came to reinstalling nVidia-driver. > Just remove anything nvidia then install: > nvidia-driver-390 > nvidia-xconfig-440 > nvidia-settings-440 > > make sure: > nvidia-modeset_load="YES" > is in loader.conf > and: > linux_enable="YES" > is in rc.conf. > > reboot (or do the kldload commands but rebooting makes sure you > got it right.) and run: > > nvidia-xconfig > > Start X. it should come up on both monitors. If it only comes up on one > or it's mirrored or the wrong res run nvidia-settings and set it how you > want. May want to just do startx and make sure it works with twm and > get you res/monitor layout set before adding in any DE's > If it works good but if you previously had DRM installed it will likely not work. > Once that all works if you need additional fonts or other stuff added > to you xconf add them in by hand. Remember to "Merge" the file if you > ever need to save a xconf fron nvidia-settings again. > Again a strong reason to just repeat the install from scratch. > Working fine for *long* time now with my gtx5xx-9xx cards here. All > sorts of different window managers/DEs over the years. > > -- > esp > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 18 17:23:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBEA3C2121 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWHnC5Mzcz4NZ5 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CE22191E for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:23:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uF-fzGDE3GHl for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 79F6A21915 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.41 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:23:20 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:23:20 -0400 Subject: Mouse and Nvidia From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWHnC5Mzcz4NZ5 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.11 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[harte-lyne.ca:dkim]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[216.185.71.32:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.41)[-0.407]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:23:28 -0000 I have my Nvidia card configured and everything worked as expected. Up to tje point that I unplugged one of the video cables. when I was finished with having that monitor hooked up to a different host I plugged it back in to the host I work on. What happened is the the mouse cursor, which formerly worked across both screens is now captive on one. How did this happen and how do I fix it? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Unencrypted messages have no legal claim to privacy Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWHqz4wqcz4P32 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.13 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[harte-lyne.ca:dkim]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[216.185.71.32:from]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.43)[-0.427]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:25:52 -0000 Never mind. Somehow the screens got switched and the mouse now goes of the RHS of the right most screen. onto the left most side of the left screen. I will fix in system settings. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Unencrypted messages have no legal claim to privacy Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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It is building the package without and = *required* options =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. (the same as defined for the = original build!) =EF=BF=BD So this leads to the *default package* and not the *intended package* = having e.g. required path settings! =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD So my question: =E2=80=9Cis how to build an package having the same = build settings as in the original autotools build=E2=80=9D (using same generated makefile, config etc.) =EF=BF=BD Perhaps !!?? the whole rebuild process by the port-tools is not required = at all (just my feeling(!)=20 If port could!!?? only do all the packaging stuff for the already build = files! =E2=98=B9 =F0=9F=98=8A =EF=BF=BD No problem if port does the project make process again = =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 as long as it would use exactly the same settings = =F0=9F=98=8A =EF=BF=BD Does anyone know how to archive this? =EF=BF=BD Sincerely, =EF=BF=BD Louis=20 =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 02:17:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B59A3AE9D2 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 02:17:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWWdv4NRvz41pQ for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 02:17:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.45.27]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MT9zD-1kEdiD2MXf-00UaOO; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 04:17:50 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 04:17:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: louis.forums@xs4all.nl Cc: "louis.forums@xs4all.nl" , Subject: Re: How to build a package from local source keeping all the original used (gnu autotools) build options !?? 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The reason is that you built source outside (!) of the ports tree, and you set those options outside of the tree with means that are not part of the "ports options framework". > make makesum > > make stage > > make stage-qa > > make package > > That however does not work in the right way. As I said, it works in the _intended_ way. What you would need to do is to obtain the sources you need, usually by getting the most recent version of the ports tree (using svn), and then use "make config" so the ports framework can store the options. If you need sources that are _different_ from those provided by the ports collection, you could try to copy the source tree obtained by git into the work/ subdirectory of the port. > The problem is that “Port†is building the sources *again* > (in �cd /usr/ports//work// > > And more severe …. It is building the package without and > *required* options ……. (the same as defined for the original build!) That is exactly how it is supposed to work. :-) > So my question: “is how to build an package having the same > build settings as in the original autotools build†> (using same generated makefile, config etc.) It might sound strange, but you're trying a "non-supported thing", which doesn't mean it couldn't work. As I mentioned, try to use the generated source tree, copied into the ports tree, from within (!) the ports tree, by revisiting the "make config" screen to make sure all options are met as intended. > Perhaps !!?? the whole rebuild process by the port-tools is > not required at all (just my feeling(!) The rebuild will only be performed if an existing package does not meet the requirements of the options set (option mismatch) or if the version is different (version mismatch). In any other cases, existing built and/or installed packages will be kept. So the ports framework has no idea of which options have been applied to the files now available in distfiles/, that's why it needs to rebuild the (unsuited, because default option) packages as they do not exist yet. The best idea here probably is to use "ports only" as a means to build stuff to avoid both version mismatch and options mismatch. > If port could!!?? only do all the packaging stuff for the > already build files! ☹ 😊 > � That is probably possible. Have you looked into poudriere? For a "one-time action", using the regular ports tree might be okay, but if you're going to do updating and rebuilding more than once, maybe dedicating a poudriere installation with your custom options would be more convenient on the long run. I hope I did understand your intentions correctly. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:07:15 +0200 Message-ID: <000701d675ee$fd65ecf0$f831c6d0$@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQJNtvOxsaRsgAbmPhqHN7qixEg+uwNzqzFtAIBuJj+oMLUxQIAAFupA Content-Language: nl X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfMSAn9cA3eZl4dQijaj2fspjS57mWtft1lLtB+Xyp6JobS8hCm3m39RT48usoMG1/Z7owiPby1btvPZHy5X76zIYtYZOtccIDtGRlIC7uYhv3dTI+Ae+ djY4y1UgUwAsQ0grJ1ISnr++FwNZGwqg3FAN8C+IC/nIEquU8da/kskYh4pIbeUXfccu9dWF/ANjQBPBoxIKjlT9+LqBVJo8n2Rx6O5Kx8wfSNQWh1RIbMek JOOMOJl/AdMlFk19pWZzBw== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWckh1xwsz4G0j X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=xs4all.nl header.s=s1 header.b=LFPiUoqs; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lsrbreda@xs4all.nl designates 194.109.24.30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lsrbreda@xs4all.nl X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.15 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[louis.forums@xs4all.nl]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:194.109.24.0/24:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[xs4all.nl]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[194.109.24.30:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[xs4all.nl:+]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.55)[-0.552]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[xs4all.nl]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3265, ipnet:194.109.0.0/16, country:NL]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[xs4all.nl:s=s1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[194.109.24.30:from]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[xs4all.nl:dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[xs4all.nl]; REPLYTO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[xs4all.nl]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 06:07:25 -0000 Thanx, Yep I am using outlook =F0=9F=98=8A doing ..... clever things ...... Not = only outlook by the way ..... no idea what this forum mailing system is = doing, but the layout of the mail here is ..... terrible ..... not at = all the intended layout !! But back to the problem, what I IMHO has been doing, seems quite = logical. Starting with the "maintainer part" ("maintainer process") - sources are coming from GitHub, I did some local modifications - so I am using the local git tree as the development tree - generating a distribution file there Than I distribute to port to generate the package to "OS package = maintainers" ("package build process") - and yep it is on the same computer, but what is wrong with that .... Like you wrote, I probably need to build with ports itself. Which = breaks the whole idea of distribution files / responsibility separation = IMHO!! =E2=98=B9 =E2=98=B9=20 I am worried .... The package is designed to use "GNU-autotools options = .... not to use port options ....=20 does port allow to build the same way .... as does autotools does ?? = does ./autogen.sh ./configure =E2=80=93 option-A=3D/abc =E2=80=93 option-B=3D/def = etc (*required*) work in ports !!??!!! May be there is no problem, have to find out. May be you are willing to = help here. Assume I copy the whole source from my git directory to "what ever other = directory on my computer", which commands should I use to get the = intended result ........... Louis=20 PS Alternative, could be to change the way that the distribution file is = generated ........=20 do not know how to do that =E2=98=B9 =20 .... and it is surely related, but I think different subject !!=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org = On Behalf Of Polytropon Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 4:18 AM To: louis.forums@xs4all.nl Cc: louis.forums@xs4all.nl ; = freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to build a package from local source keeping all the = original used (gnu autotools) build options !?? On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 21:44:54 +0200, louis.forums@xs4all.nl wrote: > Hello, >=20 > =20 Something is wrong with your mailer - it damaged commands so they become = incorrect - oh, never mind, "Microsoft Outlook", let's see if I can fix = that a bit. ;-) > After downloading a project from GitHub and making some changes, I can = > build and install that project using the GNU autotools >=20 > cd /var/git/ >=20 > ./autogen.sh >=20 > ./configure =E2=80=93 option-A=3D/abc =E2=80=93 option-B=3D/def = etc (*required*=20 > options) ^ That is probably a case of "smart substitution" where you want to have = "--", but got "=E2=80=93 ", and I have no idea what " " could have been = in your original input (it appears in many places). > make >=20 > make install >=20 > make dist >=20 > =20 >=20 > However than I need to make a distribution package for that project >=20 > cp /var/git// cd /usr/ports/ >=20 > cd /usr/ports// At this point, all make commands will use the options set for the port - = which have not been set yet, i. e., the default port options will apply = (as you have noticed in the result). The reason is that you built source outside (!) of the ports tree, and = you set those options outside of the tree with means that are not part = of the "ports options framework". > make makesum >=20 > make stage >=20 > make stage-qa >=20 > make package >=20 > That however does not work in the right way.=20 As I said, it works in the _intended_ way. What you would need to do is to obtain the sources you need, usually by = getting the most recent version of the ports tree (using svn), and then = use "make config" so the ports framework can store the options. If you need sources that are _different_ from those provided by the = ports collection, you could try to copy the source tree obtained by git = into the work/ subdirectory of the port. > The problem is that =E2=80=9CPort=E2=80=9D is building the sources = *again* (in cd=20 > /usr/ports//work// >=20 > And more severe =E2=80=A6. It is building the package without and > *required* options =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. (the same as defined for the = original build!) That is exactly how it is supposed to work. :-) > So my question: =E2=80=9Cis how to build an package having the same = build=20 > settings as in the original autotools build=E2=80=9D > (using same generated makefile, config etc.) It might sound strange, but you're trying a "non-supported thing", which = doesn't mean it couldn't work. As I mentioned, try to use the generated = source tree, copied into the ports tree, from within (!) the ports tree, = by revisiting the "make config" screen to make sure all options are met as intended. > Perhaps !!?? the whole rebuild process by the port-tools is not=20 > required at all (just my feeling(!) The rebuild will only be performed if an existing package does not meet = the requirements of the options set (option mismatch) or if the version = is different (version mismatch). In any other cases, existing built = and/or installed packages will be kept. So the ports framework has no idea of which options have been applied to = the files now available in distfiles/, that's why it needs to rebuild = the (unsuited, because default option) packages as they do not exist = yet. The best idea here probably is to use "ports only" as a means to build = stuff to avoid both version mismatch and options mismatch. > If port could!!?? only do all the packaging stuff for the already=20 > build files! =E2=98=B9 =F0=9F=98=8A > =20 That is probably possible. Have you looked into poudriere? For a "one-time action", using the regular ports tree might be okay, but = if you're going to do updating and rebuilding more than once, maybe = dedicating a poudriere installation with your custom options would be = more convenient on the long run. I hope I did understand your intentions correctly. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list = https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 06:15:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860A93B2FC9 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 06:15:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWcw21tP3z4GDh for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 06:15:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.45.27]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MPXMa-1kLyTX0c30-00MZee; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:15:25 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:15:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Cc: , Subject: Re: How to build a package from local source keeping all the original used (gnu autotools) build options !?? 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Courtesy of software: "We know better than you." ;-) > Not only outlook by the way ..... no idea what this forum mailing > system is doing, but the layout of the mail here is ..... terrible > ..... not at all the intended layout !! Going with plain text / pure ASCII, no HTML, no "smart formatting", is the best thing to do. However, "clever" tools which know better than you will change your message and destroy the formatting you did, or destroy the formatting of the incoming messages so it's "more fun" for you to read. If you can, switch off all that "cleverness" for this mailing list - it just results in misleading and wrong content in the list and its archives. By the way, you can check the mailing list archives to see how the messages are supposed to look like (form-wise). ;-) > But back to the problem, what I IMHO has been doing, seems quite logical. > > Starting with the "maintainer part" ("maintainer process") > - sources are coming from GitHub, I did some local modifications > - so I am using the local git tree as the development tree > - generating a distribution file there That is already the problem where you see the interference with the ports system: Sources managed, build and installed with ports tools have to meet certain specifications. Sources obtained from Github, being processed outside of the scope of the ports toolchain, do not integrate well. See "man 7 ports" for details. > Than I distribute to port to generate the package to > "OS package maintainers" ("package build process") > - and yep it is on the same computer, but what is wrong with that .... > > Like you wrote, I probably need to build with ports itself. > Which breaks the whole idea of distribution files / responsibility > separation IMHO!! ☹ ☹ Port maintainers who develop software for FreeBSD tend so work with a local ports tree, and often use poudriere as a build environment. FreeBSD uses SVN (Subversion) as a revision control system for the ports tree itself. Port maintainers can use git / Github independently, but those are not part of the FreeBSD ports "ecosystem". I mention this as using portsnap will not always give you the most current version of the ports tree, that's why using svn checkout is preferred in such a case. > I am worried .... The package is designed to use "GNU-autotools > options .... not to use port options .... > does port allow to build the same way .... as does autotools > does ?? does > ./autogen.sh > ./configure – option-A=/abc – option-B=/def etc (*required* > work in ports !!??!!! This is something that the port's Makefile can communicate to the ./configure step. The port's options framework should be used to allow the user to define options as you mentioned, they usually aren't to be set manually: port options ---> ./configure options ---> build [ ] FOO --option-FOO=1 [ ] BAR --option-bar=enable [ ] BAZ --with-baz (Again, "cleverness" changed "--" to "– " which is wrong.) A first step is to determine if if you find some ./configure or autotools settings in that port which do not have a suitable option (selectable in "make config" or using a Makefile.local additional file). > May be there is no problem, have to find out. May be you are > willing to help here. There are more people on this list who are deeper involved in port management and development, they can probably offer a much more detailed and accurate answer. However, what you could try, is to use the ports collection as intended: Get the latest version of the tree, diff that against the tree obtained with git (just in case it's not current), and check or uncheck the options in "make config"; if you find options missing, e. g., there is some ./configure setting like --option-blah=xyz, but the port does not have a corresponding port option WITH_BLAH, you could add that experimentally, and if it works as intended, offer a patch to help the further development of the port in question. This eliminates the problem that there is an option the ports framework is not aware of, and therefore cannot handle it properly. The core idea is to move the sources for use into the correct place within the ports collection, both as "the files" and "the concepts" (options). > Assume I copy the whole source from my git directory to > "what ever other directory on my computer", which commands > should I use to get the intended result ........... The sources used to build within the ports tree belong into /usr/ports///. Without further knowledge about what you're trying to achieve, I cannot recommand exact commands to be entered. But the general path should be clear now. You can find more information here: 4.5. Using the Ports Collection https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports-using.html 4.6. Building Packages with Poudriere https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports-poudriere.html FreeBSD Porter's Handbook https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/ Especially sctions 4, 5.13, 6.6 and therefore 17.4 seem to be valuable here, as well as example 5.10 (related to GitHub). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Not o= nly >outlook by the way ..... no idea what this forum mailing system is >doing, but the layout of the mail here is ..... terrible ..... not at >all the intended layout !! It's probably caused by a bad structure of a sentence done by you in the first place, in combination with a "smart" character replacement, when rendering the email for sending, without providing a preview of the rendered email before sending, done by Outlook. Some of the replacement chars are obviously even not included by the UTF-8 charset. They likely require a specific Microsoft font. I've never seen that the software (mailman 2) and it's settings used by this mailing list have changed the formatting or characters. For example, "......" probably was replaced by "=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6", while = "....." 123123 12312 wasn't replaced. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 07:13:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE5D3B467B for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 07:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWfC20jTTz4Jvb for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 07:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from bell.riseup.net (bell-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWfC06YMTzFf0P for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 00:13:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1597821212; bh=uVpgvNEJ0JTQvrJtrF+3AJzzhgvw6ULsV42qM3esTVY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=INMK5rSC2yvBFpk2Atevi/wvQEymML1az0mxvzt0qr2sLTeRc7Nps35mLxH11eDSI YOGoSeYlvghUBpX0zD5Iiq/OzUTlSZ4Z1zWlslrpyo/4edxbWqhvgGdY4eFpkNm71k wOMWkBTFq+4PIF+1CenXiMZdOUhhgKRBSHi3RrTE= X-Riseup-User-ID: DA843FC32AAFEB3456A0376281EF855F451D9523338EF6260879C08A25AE71F6 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bell.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BWfC015v8zJqmD for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 00:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:13:20 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to build a package from local source keeping all the original used (gnu autotools) build options !?? Message-ID: <20200819091320.343c869f@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200819090909.5c73d3c6@archlinux> References: <000001d67566$e2acd5a0$a80680e0$@xs4all.nl> <000701d67598$0c8aa560$259ff020$@xs4all.nl> <20200819041750.5784a1f9.freebsd@edvax.de> <000701d675ee$fd65ecf0$f831c6d0$@xs4all.nl> <20200819090909.5c73d3c6@archlinux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWfC20jTTz4Jvb X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=INMK5rSC; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.77 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.17)[-0.169]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 07:13:35 -0000 On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:09:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:07:15 +0200, louis.forums@xs4all.nl wrote: >>Yep I am using outlook =F0=9F=98=8A doing ..... clever things ...... Not = only 12312 123123 Hm? > >For example, "......" probably was replaced by "=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6", while= "....." > 123123 12312 >wasn't replaced. I'm mistaken. Another mail from you contains "=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6". Did you = use different settings when writing to this list? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 08:10:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6490C3B6310 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BWgSx5g7tz4NrB for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:10:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA8010276A; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 10:10:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wB7K_rMoZgzw; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 10:10:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-macbook-pro.fritz.box (p57b45204.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.180.82.4]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A426F102769; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 10:10:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_00C3F3DA-6C52-49B2-BE31-907D2CFA1BE6"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Subject: Re: smartd reports Currently unreadable sectors Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 10:10:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <708a7f45-76ce-bbc0-8d56-435e3079a7ae@holgerdanske.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: David Christensen References: <818E85E7-D327-4444-8BA8-E7C06CC1C5E6@kukulies.org> <708a7f45-76ce-bbc0-8d56-435e3079a7ae@holgerdanske.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWgSx5g7tz4NrB X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.96 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_SPACES(0.50)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[kuku]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.859]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.180.82.4:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:10:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_00C3F3DA-6C52-49B2-BE31-907D2CFA1BE6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks. I ran the quicktest in DOSDLG.EXE and it didn=E2=80=99t expose = any errors. Will do an extensive test later, when I=E2=80=99ll have backed up the = medium. =E2=80=94 Christoph > Am 14.08.2020 um 22:59 schrieb David Christensen = : >=20 > On 2020-08-14 00:15, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> smartd reports: >> Aug 14 08:06:02 pc235 smartd[797]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Offline = uncorrectable sectors >> Aug 14 08:36:01 pc235 smartd[797]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Currently = unreadable (pending) sectors >> ada1: ATA8-ACS SATA 2.x device >> ada1: Serial Number WD-WMAV50596027 >> ada1: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) >> ada1: Command Queueing enabled >> ada1: 953869MB (1953525168 512 byte sectors) >> Time to replace the drive or what measures can I take? >> -- >> Christoph >=20 >=20 > First, backup your data. >=20 >=20 > I maintain one machine with a Windows installation. 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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:19:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3272541D-1DF3-4536-A7AE-4D9697B42F55 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Just want to inform about the progress accessing the 5.25=E2=80=9C = drive. It turned out that the cabling of the TEAC-55GFR was wrong. The = ASRock939A790GMH MB supports only one floppy drive. It comes with a cable to connect that = one 3.5=E2=80=9C drive with the typical twist in the cable. To connect the 5.25 drive I needed a cable with an edge connector. So I = pressed an edge connector to the cable, but did that before the twist, resulting in that I had to jumper the = drive to Device 0. That resulted in the spindle motor not running when the drive was = selected. In the docs for that drive (TEAC) I found a=20 remark, saying that you have to connect pins 10 and 16 when the drive is = run as Device 0 on a straight cable. That was all the mess behind it. Now I can happily use fdread to access = the drive. =E2=80=94 Christoph > Am 14.08.2020 um 12:50 schrieb Christoph Kukulies : >=20 > First problem was to recognize the 5.25=E2=80=9C drive from the BIOS. > This MB seems to only support one floppydrive. It comes with an ASUS = branded point to point cable (one connector only). >=20 > At least I managed that FBSD now recognizes the drive: >=20 > fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq = 2 on acpi0 > fd0: <1200-KB 5.25" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 >=20 > But when I=E2=80=99m trying to > d# dd if=3D/dev/fd0 of=3Dfd_dump=20 > dd: /dev/fd0: Device not configured > 0+0 records in > 0+0 records out > 0 bytes transferred in 0.000252 secs (0 bytes/sec) > #=20 >=20 >=20 > Do I have to specify special blocksize? >=20 > =E2=80=94 > Christoph >=20 >> Am 14.08.2020 um 10:57 schrieb Olivier : >>=20 >> Christoph >>=20 >>>> I=E2=80=99m trying to access a 5.25=E2=80=9C floppy disk drive if = anyone here knowing what a =E2=80=9Efloppy=E2=80=9C disk drive is. :) >>>=20 >>>> MB is a ASRock939A790GMH >>>=20 >>>> I see the drive in the BIOS although I=E2=80=99m not sure if it is = really =E2=80=9Econnected=E2=80=9C. >>>=20 >>>> Anyway, the FreeBSD (12.1) boot doesn=E2=80=99t see the hardware at = all. >>=20 >> Launch any old live OS that still had support for floppies and = migrate >> your data. >>=20 >> You should be able to find old ditribution of some Linux, or even = WinXP. >>=20 >> Olivier >=20 --Apple-Mail=_3272541D-1DF3-4536-A7AE-4D9697B42F55 Content-Disposition: attachment; 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