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Date:      Mon, 09 Nov 1998 15:17:32 -0500
From:      "Stephen A. Derdau" <sderdau@ne.mediaone.net>
To:        "Sloan, Kyle" <ksloan@datatimes.com>
Cc:        "'pat.groce@state.sd.us'" <pat.groce@state.sd.us>, "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help
Message-ID:  <36474DDC.E2F28062@ne.mediaone.net>
References:  <c=US%a=_%p=UMI%l=OKC-NT02-981109200057Z-907@okc-nt02.umi.bhowell.com>

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I have but one exception to this 

when you said ...." Upgrading " to NT did you mean it :-)
Or is that why you put it in Quotes :-) 

:-)   I would have to say downgrading but that's my opinion.


O yeah one other thing...I mentioned earlier in my
email about gun control laws in SD.  I wasn't that clear.
I guess what I'm trying to say is the way this pat guy 
came down on FreeBSD even though the problems were of his own design
I can understand why some people endorse having a waiting period to
purchase guns.
It's a good thing from the looks of this typical no clue reaction.

It's not my fault it never is !~






"Sloan, Kyle" wrote:
> 
> Basically, another Micro$oft luser.
> 
> For starters, it ran fine for 4 years.  You knew enough to backup the
> "important" files, but not the system.  Ever hear of the dump command?
> I guess that since the system was 4 years old, can we then assume that
> you're still running Windows 3.11?  Maybe it's common practice to have
> systems installed, but not have any of the installation media....
> 
> You are blaming us for _YOUR_ lack of knowledge.  Face it:
> *  Odds are, the OS was out of rev
> *  You didn't make a system backup
> *  You didn't have installation media for your release
> *  You chose to install a different rev than was previously installed
> *  You don't pay enough attention to the OS to know that 3.0 is
> development
> 
> Now, you can use your cute little artsy-farts GUI to configure "Sendmail
> for NT", recode all of your majordomo listserves into Exchange, and
> replace the boxes since you're "upgrading" to Windows NT.
> 
> And so far as your comment about FreeBSD not holding a candle to NT....
> let's see anything Microsoft makes you pay money for beat a free
> operating system.  I have yet to see an NT system have the uptime or
> reliability of a FreeBSD system.
> 
> If you don't know better than to have a full system backup, then you
> sure as hell aren't a sysadmin at any company I've worked for.
> 
> And if you need a GUI to configure things, then go buy Microsoft.  After
> all, it's the OS that's designed for the lowest common denominator in
> the gene pool.
> 
> Kyle Sloan
> Data Communications Engineer
> Oklahoma City Operations
> UMI - A Bell & Howell Company
> Direct 405.601.6969 Fax 405.601.6800
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pat.groce@state.sd.us [mailto:pat.groce@state.sd.us]
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 11:30 AM
> To: jlemon@americantv.com; pat.groce@state.sd.us
> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: RE: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help
> 
> I couldn't get anything but 3.0 over the net. I mean i download boot.flp
> and
> fdimage.exe, made my install disk, and 3.0 was what i got. DON'T BLAME
> ME, I
> DID EVERYTHING THE WWW.FREEBD.ORG TOLD ME TO FOR AN INSTALL. Why didn't
> the
> web site or setup program warn me not to install 3.0?
> 
> The web page at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html made it all
> sound so simple. I didn't know there were hidden issues!
> 
> If the system isn't configured correctly its FREEBSD'S fault! Why can't
> a
> fresh install even stand on two legs? So what if its out of disk space?
> Not
> my fault. It should have configured the partitions correctly from the
> first
> place. What a joke! And you're blaming ME for the system having
> problems?
> 
> ADMIT IT! FREEBSD CAN NEVER HOLD A CANDLE TO NT. ONLY A MOUNTAIN TROLL
> WHO
> SPENDS HIS DAYS SLOBBERING OVER A KEYBOARD HACKING SYSTEM CODE COULD
> EVER
> GET IT WORKING.
> 
> This os is not for the business world!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Lemon [mailto:jlemon@americantv.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 10:27 AM
> To: pat.groce@state.sd.us
> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help
> 
> On Nov 11, 1998 at 10:01:11AM -0600, pat.groce@state.sd.us wrote:
> > We had been running freebsd for 4 years to handle our internet email. Last
> > week the hard drive crashed on the system. I had a tape backup of
> important
> > files so i reinstalled using the new freebsd 3.0 version.
> 
> Let me get this straight; You had a system crash, so instead of
> re-installing a known good system, you upgrade a production system
> to the bleeding edge (3.0) without any prior testing?
> 
> Honestly, this was a mistake, and the version that should have
> been installed was installed was 2.2.7.
> 
> > cryptic errors. Sendmail keeps giving me an error:
> > sendmail[131]: NOQUEUE: low on space (have 0, SMTP-DAEMON needs 101 in
> > /var/spool/mqueue)
> 
> So, sendmail gives you an error message saying that it is out of
> disk space, and you blame it on sendmail?  No offense, but it
> sounds to me like the system isn't configured correctly.
> 
> > To hell with FreeBSD. We are replacing all of the systems with NT versions
> > of sendmail. And it works great! I neat little GUI makes sendmail and the
> > Exchange listservs easy to manage.The software may cost more, but in terms
> > of staff time, we're saving thousands, not to mention all the frustration.
> >
> > I read all the news on how unix is going to give microsoft a run for the
> > operating system market. I don't believe it for a second.
> 
> You are welcome to your opinion.  If NT works better for you,
> then by all means, use it.
> 
> FreeBSD is powerful, and can do anything that you want it to do.
> However, it setting it up and maintaining it does require more
> knowledge on the administrator's part than NT.  In return, it
> can provide "years of trouble-free operation"(tm).
> 
> You did note that FreeBSD handled your email for 4 years before a
> harddrive crash.  Please feel free to give us a summary in 4 years
> from now of how well NT behaves in doing the same task.
> --
> Jonathan
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