From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 9 12:20:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16803 for freebsd-questions-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:20:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16797 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:20:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sderdau@ne.mediaone.net) Received: from ne.mediaone.net (sderdau.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.122.19]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03122; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:17:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36474DDC.E2F28062@ne.mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 15:17:32 -0500 From: "Stephen A. Derdau" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sloan, Kyle" CC: "'pat.groce@state.sd.us'" , "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have but one exception to this when you said ...." Upgrading " to NT did you mean it :-) Or is that why you put it in Quotes :-) :-) I would have to say downgrading but that's my opinion. O yeah one other thing...I mentioned earlier in my email about gun control laws in SD. I wasn't that clear. I guess what I'm trying to say is the way this pat guy came down on FreeBSD even though the problems were of his own design I can understand why some people endorse having a waiting period to purchase guns. It's a good thing from the looks of this typical no clue reaction. It's not my fault it never is !~ "Sloan, Kyle" wrote: > > Basically, another Micro$oft luser. > > For starters, it ran fine for 4 years. You knew enough to backup the > "important" files, but not the system. Ever hear of the dump command? > I guess that since the system was 4 years old, can we then assume that > you're still running Windows 3.11? Maybe it's common practice to have > systems installed, but not have any of the installation media.... > > You are blaming us for _YOUR_ lack of knowledge. Face it: > * Odds are, the OS was out of rev > * You didn't make a system backup > * You didn't have installation media for your release > * You chose to install a different rev than was previously installed > * You don't pay enough attention to the OS to know that 3.0 is > development > > Now, you can use your cute little artsy-farts GUI to configure "Sendmail > for NT", recode all of your majordomo listserves into Exchange, and > replace the boxes since you're "upgrading" to Windows NT. > > And so far as your comment about FreeBSD not holding a candle to NT.... > let's see anything Microsoft makes you pay money for beat a free > operating system. I have yet to see an NT system have the uptime or > reliability of a FreeBSD system. > > If you don't know better than to have a full system backup, then you > sure as hell aren't a sysadmin at any company I've worked for. > > And if you need a GUI to configure things, then go buy Microsoft. After > all, it's the OS that's designed for the lowest common denominator in > the gene pool. > > Kyle Sloan > Data Communications Engineer > Oklahoma City Operations > UMI - A Bell & Howell Company > Direct 405.601.6969 Fax 405.601.6800 > > -----Original Message----- > From: pat.groce@state.sd.us [mailto:pat.groce@state.sd.us] > Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 11:30 AM > To: jlemon@americantv.com; pat.groce@state.sd.us > Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help > > I couldn't get anything but 3.0 over the net. I mean i download boot.flp > and > fdimage.exe, made my install disk, and 3.0 was what i got. DON'T BLAME > ME, I > DID EVERYTHING THE WWW.FREEBD.ORG TOLD ME TO FOR AN INSTALL. Why didn't > the > web site or setup program warn me not to install 3.0? > > The web page at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html made it all > sound so simple. I didn't know there were hidden issues! > > If the system isn't configured correctly its FREEBSD'S fault! Why can't > a > fresh install even stand on two legs? So what if its out of disk space? > Not > my fault. It should have configured the partitions correctly from the > first > place. What a joke! And you're blaming ME for the system having > problems? > > ADMIT IT! FREEBSD CAN NEVER HOLD A CANDLE TO NT. ONLY A MOUNTAIN TROLL > WHO > SPENDS HIS DAYS SLOBBERING OVER A KEYBOARD HACKING SYSTEM CODE COULD > EVER > GET IT WORKING. > > This os is not for the business world! > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Lemon [mailto:jlemon@americantv.com] > Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 10:27 AM > To: pat.groce@state.sd.us > Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help > > On Nov 11, 1998 at 10:01:11AM -0600, pat.groce@state.sd.us wrote: > > We had been running freebsd for 4 years to handle our internet email. Last > > week the hard drive crashed on the system. I had a tape backup of > important > > files so i reinstalled using the new freebsd 3.0 version. > > Let me get this straight; You had a system crash, so instead of > re-installing a known good system, you upgrade a production system > to the bleeding edge (3.0) without any prior testing? > > Honestly, this was a mistake, and the version that should have > been installed was installed was 2.2.7. > > > cryptic errors. Sendmail keeps giving me an error: > > sendmail[131]: NOQUEUE: low on space (have 0, SMTP-DAEMON needs 101 in > > /var/spool/mqueue) > > So, sendmail gives you an error message saying that it is out of > disk space, and you blame it on sendmail? No offense, but it > sounds to me like the system isn't configured correctly. > > > To hell with FreeBSD. We are replacing all of the systems with NT versions > > of sendmail. And it works great! I neat little GUI makes sendmail and the > > Exchange listservs easy to manage.The software may cost more, but in terms > > of staff time, we're saving thousands, not to mention all the frustration. > > > > I read all the news on how unix is going to give microsoft a run for the > > operating system market. I don't believe it for a second. > > You are welcome to your opinion. If NT works better for you, > then by all means, use it. > > FreeBSD is powerful, and can do anything that you want it to do. > However, it setting it up and maintaining it does require more > knowledge on the administrator's part than NT. In return, it > can provide "years of trouble-free operation"(tm). > > You did note that FreeBSD handled your email for 4 years before a > harddrive crash. Please feel free to give us a summary in 4 years > from now of how well NT behaves in doing the same task. > -- > Jonathan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- When you find out the answer it's always something you thought you knew :-) Answers here http://www.freeBSD.org/search Happily Running! FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE #0: Fri Oct 9 19:54:29 EDT 1998 sderdau@SDERDAU.ne.mediaone.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message