From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 7 8: 2: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C837937B401; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from MX2.estpak.ee (ld3.estpak.ee [194.126.101.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3484F43FE0; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kalts@estpak.ee) Received: from kevad.internal (80-235-33-209-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.33.209]) by MX2.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9106F734CA; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:00:33 +0200 (EET) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by kevad.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h27G1lPt003542; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:01:47 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vallo) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 18:01:47 +0200 From: Vallo Kallaste To: Wes Peters Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , David Schultz , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "leak" in softupdates? Message-ID: <20030307160147.GA3422@kevad.internal> Reply-To: kalts@estpak.ee References: <20030305204526.T38115@hub.org> <20030307101718.GA1908@kevad.internal> <20030307081643.B15693@hub.org> <200303070648.26984.wes@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200303070648.26984.wes@softweyr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i-ja.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 06:48:26AM -0800, Wes Peters wrote: > > > putting real challenge to VM. All this means that FreeBSD > > > isn't ready to enterprise yet, no matter what advocacy has to say. > > > I'm glad Marc hasn't gave up and every now-and-then sends the > > > findings out to lists, for the benefit of others, particularly > > > developers. One word about "enterprise"; I'm sure Yahoo and similar > > > big players run also FreeBSD on "big boxes", but they have real > > > engineers in the field and have customised installations, I guess. > > > Off-the-shelf FreeBSD isn't ready yet. > > Off-the-shelf FreeBSD is about as good as most commercial UNIX systems; > you seem to have either overestimated their ability to handle loads that > are absurd for the hardware or have had a much better experience than I > have. It's more like I have too high expectations for FreeBSD, probably. You are right I guess, but all this talk about system auto-tuning for high capacity systems has not progressed to reality, as far as I know. The talk comes up occasionally and after some discussion about the benefits of such auto-tuning, dies off. Lack of manpower I guess, so I shut up. But that's the point why I made the "enterprise" comment. -- Vallo Kallaste To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message