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Date:      Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:48:29 -0700
From:      "Kirk Vorsatz" <kcv@hallkinion.com>
To:        <will@highveldcs.com>, <fscked@pacbell.net>
Cc:        "Tom Creighton" <tcreighton@hallkinion.com>
Subject:   Re: Job for Sr Linux Sys Admin with NT, Oracle and Masters Degree
Message-ID:  <sd6c8e66.055@smtp.hallkinion.com>

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I have been recruiting for a very long time.  You can see from my =
signature that I have been a top performer for several years at Hall =
kinion......let me explain to you the importance of the Master's degree to =
this position.....

The company is a 15 year old financial company that has the #1 debt =
collateralization product in the Stock Trading industry.  There location =
here in CA has roughly 20 people with at least 12+ developers that have =
Masters of PHD's in Mathematics.... the company is ran from a development =
point of view.  Development has never held much regard for anyone in IT- =
there philosophy is if it works that is all that matters.  Rather than =
have there database run optimally they would rather by new boxes.  They =
are using EXE as the backup.  The reason for the Master's degree is to =
help gain the respect of these developers as well as someone with a =
Master's will understand IT issues from the developers perspective.

Running NT on the Desktop is only part of the position.  The challenge is =
rearchitecting a 24X7 Linux Oracle environment that already exists and =
works today while explaining to the developers that a system in their eyes =
that works is not optimal in the future.  I welcome your remarks.....

Kirk   C.   Vorsatz
Sr. Executive Technical Recruiter
Recruiter of the Year 2000
Top 5 Recruiter 1999, 2000, 2001
Chairman's Club Winner, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001
Hall Kinion Direct-Hire Division


KCV@hallkinion.com
1-888-682-6400 ext 218
650-345-5600 ext 218
650-245-7043      cell

" Work With The Best ! "



>>> richard childers <fscked@pacbell.net> 08/28/02 07:22AM >>>
My point exactly.

Points to Willie for thinking clearly.


-- richard


Willie Viljoen wrote:

> Richard,
>
> At the risk of jumping to conclusions, I think there's probably some
> confusion here, a masters degree is probably not what they are looking =
for
> at all.
>
> It's a common misconception that people have about the MCSE, a diploma
> issued by Microsoft, stating that the holder is qualified to operate a
> Windows NT-based network. Because of a lack of non-technical information
> about the diploma, many people become confused, and because of the "M" =
in
> the title, the acronym has been contstrued to mean many interesting
> (incorrect) things, including "Masters in Computer Systems Engineering",
> ofcourse, it really means "Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer".
>
> I'm thinking there may have been some miscommunication somewhere along =
the
> lines where an MCSE turned into a Masters :)
>
> An MCSE is probably the likely thing the company would want, seeing as
> they are using NT machines.
>
> Somebody with a masters shouldn't be working as a sysadmin, that would
> just be wrong :)
>
> Will
>
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, richard childers wrote:
>
> > Some people might suggest that Linux has hardly been around long =
enough
> > to someone to *become* a so-called 'senior Linux administrator'.
> >
> > What constitutes 'seniority' in Linux?
> >
> > And what does the master's degree have to be in?
> >
> > Inquiring minds want to know.   (-:
> >
> >
> > Yours for reasonable requirements,
> >
> >
> > -- richard
> >
> >
> > Kirk Vorsatz wrote:
> >
> > >  I have a fantastic fulltime opportunity for a Linux system admin at =
a
> > > 15 year old company where you would be the sol.e IT person responsibl=
e
> > > for all Desktop (NT and Exchange) as well as overseeing Oracle
> > > servers....... Please email me if interested.... Kirk   C.   Vorsatz
> > > Sr. Executive Technical Recruiter
> > > Recruiter of the Year 2000
> > > Top 5 Recruiter 1999, 2000, 2001
> > > Chairman's Club Winner, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001
> > > Hall Kinion Direct-Hire Division
> > > KCV@hallkinion.com
> > > 1-888-682-6400 ext 218
> > > 650-345-5600 ext 218
> > > 650-245-7043      cell " Work With The Best ! "
> >
> > --
> >
> > Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System & Network Administrator
> > "Dont forget nothing." Maj Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, =
1759
> >
> >
>
> --
> Willie Viljoen
> Highveld Computing Solutions
>
> 214 Paul Kruger Avenue
> Universitas
> Bloemfontein
> 9321
>
> South Africa
>
> +27 51 522 15 60, a/h +27 51 522 44 36
> +27 82 404 03 27
>
> will@highveldcs.com
>
> To find out how we can help you with inventive solutions, visit
> http://www.highveldcs.com/
>
> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message

--

Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System & Network Administrator
"Dont forget nothing." Maj Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, 1759

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<DIV>" Work With The Best ! "</DIV>
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&gt;=20
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person=20
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Sr.=20
Executive Technical Recruiter<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Recruiter of the Year=20
2000<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Top 5 Recruiter 1999, 2000, 2001<BR>&gt; &gt; =
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Chairman's Club Winner, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Hall =
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