From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 6 08:59:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964BC13BF60 for ; Wed, 6 May 2020 08:59:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12b.google.com (mail-il1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49H9Wg6PXYz4Lqw for ; Wed, 6 May 2020 08:59:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id e8so1006031ilm.7 for ; Wed, 06 May 2020 01:59:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xnJSZsWp+NDOO6SaeatMLlrWDCWz9DE3ncxF6ZmjEIY=; b=kw0vNjUIGqwzIb/y83C3XtuD5tll3g7sLMltazvKZyryc1nGngtEqc1XVj5DDpFQeT YBtcceGEsN42U0rgRFu8sPY69ct6CxgyRW/TFQu7eOZWB4EkIIE+POyYIaQgIZIf4ZJu cCSZnT4tAwddU9rSzP3bJR8tVo7n5DKyhQJ5ej4YM0SCbqR8VuQObHAkCHCli6nGCyok elP1E/q+x0TyWhIKAFuZhkg3/llrSiwEkml6GrK2+EaSKO0bY3WIsP69k1MpyQFMcvF6 3PZZ/QfPBSCT59Mi5d0maczfo8iTWFE1MThHvZao8+/4ZABvkqC0HnujHEay6/N/nFRt +pqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xnJSZsWp+NDOO6SaeatMLlrWDCWz9DE3ncxF6ZmjEIY=; b=Tt03mI0+fHUIvho1MKWu4QGHOwcR2rUA+8WbqiUGQactoKhIobjnhMbOTMze3a7dSy 0AKlsO2f8N4872apTdfchpC2+qSiupFY1OH7L9OZFrBlyLobjOA/DffG1wHTaWSrf/Fc QQGNbIK+Gp29mMcX6RfNHo7xc4QMX9D9GTUDSpTmghtH/2tDutd0/AT5a5/Hgmx/4sKO 2Rk/9heq7kiMGyPMQwraSfP8bO6FejVkoyQ2Qdfw2qH9Fof64dgHk24Y/u9mgRdjd9bV oeOUkyCPFpeqNJXz2t4+9mIlP6Ja1V/M170YRiiwFsDT2kt7bjZpCGjGobp1O2TOcvq6 EUbA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZxbSdetK09P/vaAbYn2/AJbXQjXn+ewCz68gt8rD5uMgKpFI1E Arg/KvywnLemleKrQWvooagGg7CHgCXRyMIBzx0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKBcF2G53/LBEoGvgiHUVqc0JKs7ryX1AIk5fBefv0eDg7vbVDDq0pR0ZUeJvf4K99HKDyHKGeZBq+PKqQtL2M= X-Received: by 2002:a92:ca81:: with SMTP id t1mr7765655ilo.187.1588755566802; Wed, 06 May 2020 01:59:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200505203456.8b85330a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200505211848.b6d81e98.freebsd@edvax.de> <8577cb33-9a32-a0f7-01ab-e18d4e19296d@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8577cb33-9a32-a0f7-01ab-e18d4e19296d@gmail.com> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 04:59:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bsd install To: Shamim Shahriar Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49H9Wg6PXYz4Lqw X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=kw0vNjUI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-7.70), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.30 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 08:59:28 -0000 > I personally do not support and to some extent hate spoon > feeding. I sent you a link about how to ask questions the right way, > which suggested many different things to do before you ask the question > -- obviously that was not your preferred way forward. > ... > Once you have at least the basics > right, only then can you have a meaningful exchange with the people on > the list. > > Hope this helps > It almost certainly does not help to have your attitude towards beginners with thinking like this, which luckily is not everyone on the list, no wonder FreeBSD has the reputation it has for being unfriendly (I would agree it is not a OS meant for beginners it doesn't mean we should push them away). This is the beginners list, after all, according to the Handbook -- not one of the more specialized lists where expectations of RTFM are more appropriate. Note that even on other lists the OP is being treated with a much more open mind (ex. see his bhyve thread on -virtualization@) -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org