From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 27 2:58:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from voi.aagh.net (pc1-hart4-0-cust168.mid.cable.ntl.com [62.254.84.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7730F37B404 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from freaky by voi.aagh.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16qB8f-0002kY-00 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:58:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:58:45 +0000 From: Thomas Hurst To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: sendmail 8.12.2 MFC'ed Message-ID: <20020327105845.GA9999@voi.aagh.net> Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <026501c1d561$90d61de0$0200a8c0@gauss> <200203270836.JAA29261@galaxy.de.cp.philips.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200203270836.JAA29261@galaxy.de.cp.philips.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Organization: Not much. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/4.5-PRERELEASE (i386) X-Uptime: 10:27AM up 96 days, 19:12, 3 users, load averages: 2.03, 2.05, 2.01 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Helge Oldach (helge.oldach@atosorigin.com) wrote: > Count this my strong vote against removal of packages that are > traditionally part of the base system. I hate sendmail with a passion. I use exim; hence it's just added bloat sitting in my rather full /usr. The existance of more up-to-date ports for a lot of what's in the base system means many people don't want any trace of them from the base system; e.g. Perl. Additionally, many parts of the base system are not required or wanted on simple systems; if I have a tiny 486 I want to turn into a firewall, I don't want to spend hours trimming down the base system to fit on it. I suggest we extend the package system to include the base system; then I can just do env PKG_DBDIR=/var/db/syspkg pkg_deinstall sendmail-6.6.6, and sysinstall can more easily NOT install things I don't want, without impacting users who do want them. Or maybe everyone who doesn't want to use sendmail should switch to NetBSD w/ syspkg :) -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - freaky@aagh.net - http://www.aagh.net/ - Lackland's Laws: (1) Never be first. (2) Never be last. (3) Never volunteer for anything To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message