From owner-freebsd-current Wed Dec 11 9:28:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1CA37B401; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tcoip.com.br (erato.tco.net.br [200.220.254.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E03643EC2; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:28:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@tcoip.com.br) Received: from tcoip.com.br ([10.0.2.6]) by mail.tcoip.com.br (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBBHSCV00627; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:28:12 -0200 Message-ID: <3DF775AC.40507@tcoip.com.br> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:28:12 -0200 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021125 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gordon Tetlow Cc: Mike Makonnen , current@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org, Doug Barton Subject: Re: RC NG, ntp and routed References: <3DF4996E.1040706@tcoip.com.br> <20021210024350.GC16008@matrix.identd.net> <20021210162208.GJ45512@roark.gnf.org> <3DF61DE4.9070205@tcoip.com.br> <20021210225014.GA22267@matrix.identd.net> <20021211002318.GT45512@roark.gnf.org> <20021211054754.GA23972@matrix.identd.net> <20021211063348.GU45512@roark.gnf.org> <20021211084603.GA24584@matrix.identd.net> <20021211171527.GW45512@roark.gnf.org> In-Reply-To: <3DF4996E.1040706@tcoip.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gordon Tetlow wrote: > On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 12:46:03AM -0800, Mike Makonnen wrote: > > >You misunderstood. I meant let's move the routing daemons from > /usr/sbin to /sbin. > >I think if we have routed there we might as well have the others > there. Actually we > >only need to move route6d to /sbin. I can't think of a reason you > would need > >multicast routing before the whole system was up. I think we can live > with and > >additional 42k on /. > > > Lest we forget, / is statically linked. that 42k binary turns into a 450k > binary in /sbin. The / solution is wrong. For instance: [root@piratinga root]# ls -l /usr/local/sbin/ospfd -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 471392 Dec 1 00:58 /usr/local/sbin/ospfd* [root@piratinga root]# ls -l /usr/local/sbin/bgpd -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 691952 Dec 1 00:58 /usr/local/sbin/bgpd* And these are dynamically linked. Not to mention moving them to / would break the /usr/local paradigm. And all this because... people don't want to break fs mounting in local and remote? I saw break it, and have routing run after local. If your /usr is remote, then either you'll copy routed (or whatever you use) to a local disk, or you won't be using it. People, let's face it. There *ARE* things you want to be run *after* local fs mount and *before* remote fs mount. And we are hurting ourselves in a few places just because we haven't admitted to it. btw, someone mentioned a freebsd-rc list, but I found no such list. Mispelling? Not freebsd.org list? Delusions? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Gerencia de Operacoes Divisao de Comunicacao de Dados Coordenacao de Seguranca TCO Fones: 55-61-313-7654/Cel: 55-61-9618-0904 E-mail: Daniel.Capo@tco.net.br Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@tcoip.com.br Outros: dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net Can you buy friendship? You not only can, you must. It's the only way to obtain friends. Everything worthwhile has a price. -- Robert J. Ringer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message