From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 16 06:56:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0845C256328 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 06:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48KyZQ0NBXz4Rtl for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 06:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:bennett@miku.sdf.org [205.166.94.6]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 01G6uBm4004403 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sun, 16 Feb 2020 06:56:12 GMT Received: (from bennett@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 01G6uBYm008146; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 00:56:11 -0600 (CST) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <202002160656.01G6uBYm008146@sdf.org> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 00:56:11 -0600 To: ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com Subject: Re: terminology and history (was Re: Re updating BIOS) Cc: steve@sohara.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <202002120724.01C7OcSW005991@sdf.org> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 6/20/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48KyZQ0NBXz4Rtl X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bennett@sdf.org has no SPF policy when checking 205.166.94.20) smtp.mailfrom=bennett@sdf.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.18 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.80)[-0.800,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-0.29)[ip: (-0.92), ipnet: 205.166.94.0/24(-0.46), asn: 14361(-0.03), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sdf.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[20.94.166.205.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14361, ipnet:205.166.94.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 06:56:15 -0000 Ottavio Caruso wrote: > On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 07:24, Scott Bennett wrote: > > > > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 08:41:11 +0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith > > wrote: > > > > >On Sun, 09 Feb 2020 02:09:59 -0600 > > >Scott Bennett wrote: > > > > > >> The first part of the above, mispunctuated pair of sentences is > > >> correct, but the latter part is not. FreeDOS, like PC-DOS and MSDOS > > >> before it, is/was not an operating system, but rather a more primitive > > >> creature known as a monitor system. > > > > > > The DOS part of those names is an abbreviation of 'Disc Operating > > >System' - clearly at the time they were considered operating systems even > > > > They may have been considered that by amateurs from the ham radio > > community > > Stopped reading here. > > The "amateurs from the ham radio community" are (and at least were > back in the 70s) much more skilled than you paint them. The first form Really? That was not my experience in the United States. Here there appeared to be very little overlap between computer programmers and ham radio operators. When CPU chips with word lengths greater than four bits appeared in '75 or '76, both communities began to take interest. Once kits and already built small computers were available on the market, quite a few members of the ham community began learning how to program, but it was several more years before a large percentage knew much about programming. By the same token, it was quite a while before many programmers got into building hardware. I suspect that the electrical engineering community may have had much more overlap with hams and with programmers, but as the mostly distinct groups at that time. By the early 1980s the ham community did include many people with susbstantial programming knowledge. Scott Bennett, Comm. 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