From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 22 20:59:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C8016A41F; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:59:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from outbound0.sv.meer.net (outbound0.sv.meer.net [205.217.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6430E43D86; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:59:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [209.157.152.14]) by outbound0.sv.meer.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBMKxGQp080676; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:59:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id jBMKwrD1042907; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:58:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: (from jrhett@localhost) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) id jBMKwrEU042905; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:58:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:58:53 -0800 From: Jo Rhett To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20051222205853.GE39174@svcolo.com> References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <20051217220021.GB93998@svcolo.com> <20051217234627.GB68713@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051217234627.GB68713@xor.obsecurity.org> Organization: svcolo.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:09:36 +0000 Cc: stable@freebsd.org, current Subject: Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:59:53 -0000 > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 12:04:05AM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > > > There will be three FreeBSD 6 releases in 2006. > On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 02:00:21PM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote: > > While this is nice, may I suggest that it is time to put aside/delay one > > release cycle and come up with a binary update mechanism supported well by > > the OS? Increasing the speed of releases is good. Increasing the number > > of deployed systems out of date because there are no easy binary upgrade > > mechanisms is bad. > > > > It has been bad, it's getting worse. On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 06:46:27PM -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Suggestions are nice, but who do you think will work on solving this? I and many others have proposed binary update mechanisms, and are all willing to work on them. The core freebsd team has not shown willingness to work with such an effort. Without that, we'd be patching the update mechanism with every new release, which kind of defeats the point. -- Jo Rhett senior geek SVcolo : Silicon Valley Colocation