From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 20 03:01:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F15E1065672 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:01:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from minimarmot@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4818FC1D for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:01:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from minimarmot@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so633925rvf.43 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:01:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=qEUGbK4x71la+mitWrA3se7JZZCpV3R26OOsLmIb3w8=; b=BPNms8jxrzH7lT1PaFcnkXGlMLcr+UEyHq1VfjqaIJVBw5H2wf/lUwF9q1g8ANhsyi q+U8H8o+bTLt3nFK/DcPKapj+AVn2nccifK5IqSwtQZEmghfAqAyZVi2QDYw9E/yK6sK So3y3wLSeP1KRqTbzdnJD3Ob49UeDo2+AihJ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=WexIRXPuHBojYRQ99E90HFo+2CaoIY7mxlW7wc7pxiidG6rllpx5HBIRrhhnMeLNo+ JQiXtwD+hsNxgDfwvKxEXnNWg+QbwXBAytNNU1S9DCtoaBmtiH9FczwLc0sHfXa6XXGn 67VJjP3ZueWAdQQaBzKRM2JQANswrEXhr6uSY= Received: by 10.141.195.5 with SMTP id x5mr454396rvp.263.1221879680055; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.113.9 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47d0403c0809192001r62653ff4w93301f8a7ab4cf23@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:01:19 -0400 From: "Ben Kaduk" To: "Jo Rhett" In-Reply-To: <851F09A2-788D-4343-9E00-A0AB5C3AC063@netconsonance.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <658B8861-1E78-4767-8D3D-8B79CC0BD45F@netconsonance.com> <15F15FD1-3C53-4018-8792-BC63289DC4C2@netconsonance.com> <448wtpcikb.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <34C3D54B-C88C-4C36-B1FE-C07FC27F8CB5@netconsonance.com> <20080920020703.GA82392@phat.za.net> <851F09A2-788D-4343-9E00-A0AB5C3AC063@netconsonance.com> Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:01:26 -0000 On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Jo Rhett wrote: > > On Sep 19, 2008, at 7:07 PM, Aragon Gouveia wrote: >>> >>> To get a business to commit resources to a project there must be an >>> actual goal. >> >> [1] The FreeBSD project would have to commit resources too. Its community > > Of course. This is what the requirements analysis is ;-) > >> For (a), (b), and (z), this is where you come in. Define the goal. Make >> a >> plan to get there. Assess the effort involved. Convince your employer >> that >> (a), (b) and (z) is worth it to him/her and that the result of (z) will >> convince the FreeBSD project to commit the resources needed to integrate >> it. >> If they're happy, start working on (z) and bring it to the FreeBSD project >> when you think it's ready. > > > Of course. If this was something that could be done without working with > the freebsd developers, do you think I would put up with this kind of abuse? > I'd much rather have something I could just go and do ;-) > > The issue is that nobody is willing to answer the question: "what resources > are too limited to provide longer support? How can we help?" > Jo, I think this is the clearest way you have stated your point yet, and it is quite definitely the crux of the issue: What resources does re@ not have, that releases are supported for these short times? I have never run a release, so I can't be much more specific that ``man-hours'' -- someone else should chime in and say what those hours would be spent on, if they were there. I think this is a great opportunity for the project, and a few pointers for how one could maintain an independent support of older releases would give the rest of us a great resource. -Ben Kaduk