From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 11:48:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D345B6B7A8 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 11:48:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4706F1CFE for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 11:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1b9WXf-0006el-IC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 13:48:31 +0200 Received: from 5e1be454.mobile.pool.telekom.hu ([94.27.228.84]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 13:48:31 +0200 Received: from leventelist by 5e1be454.mobile.pool.telekom.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 13:48:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Lev Subject: stop ipfilter Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:48:25 +0200 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <20160605134825.30e1d3d9@jive> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 5e1be454.mobile.pool.telekom.hu X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.13.0 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 11:48:41 -0000 SGksDQoNCg0KV2hlbiBJIHdhbnQgdG8gc3RvcCBpcG5hdCBvciBpcGZpbHRlciB0aGUgY29tbWFu ZCBqdXN0IGhhbmdzLCBhbmQgbmV2ZXINCnJldHVybi4NCg0KVGhpcyBpcyB3aGF0IEkgZG86DQoN CnNlcnZpY2UgaXBmaWx0ZXIgc3RvcA0KDQpUaGUgc2VydmljZSBpcyBub3Qgc3RvcHBlZC4NCg0K SSBjYW4gb25seSBraWxsIHRoZSBwcm9jZXNzLg0KDQpMZXYNCg0KLS0gDQo3MyBkZSBIQTVPR0wN Ck9wLjogTGV2ZW50ZQ0K From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 15:54:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE20B6A9E8 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:54:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BA411EB for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:54:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:52855] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 7F/69-08765-F7744575; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:38:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1b9a8N-0006c1-5k for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 11:38:39 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Baho Utot Subject: sh[it] and What am I missing here? Message-ID: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 11:38:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:54:04 -0000 I have tried this on 11-CURRENT and 10.1 release........... Just doing some scripting ( thought I was using a bourne shell but may scripting was puking) so I came across this........ root@baho-utot:~ # set _ addsuffix anyerror argv () autoexpand autolist ambiguous autorehash csubstnonl cwd /root dirstack /root echo_style bsd edit euid 0 euser root filec gid 0 group wheel history 1000 home /root killring 30 loginsh mail /var/mail/root owd path (/sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/games /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /root/bin) prompt %N@%m:%~ %# prompt2 %R? prompt3 CORRECT>%R (y|n|e|a)? promptchars %# savehist (1000 merge) shell /bin/csh shlvl 1 status 0 tcsh 6.18.01 term xterm tty pts/0 uid 0 user root version tcsh 6.18.01 (Astron) 2012-02-14 (x86_64-amd-FreeBSD) options wide,nls,dl,al,kan,sm,rh,color,filec OK tcsh as I thought OK switch shells root@baho-utot:~ # /bin/sh # set BLOCKSIZE=K EDITOR=vi GROUP=wheel HOME=/root HOST=baho-utot.bildanet.com HOSTTYPE=FreeBSD IFS=' ' LOGNAME=root MACHTYPE=x86_64 MAIL=/var/mail/root OPTIND=1 OSTYPE=FreeBSD PAGER=more PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/root/bin PPID=1373 PS1='# ' PS2='> ' PS4='+ ' PWD=/root SHELL=/bin/csh SHLVL=1 TERM=xterm USER=root VENDOR=amd # Why is the SHELL variable still set to /bin/csh After the /bin/sh am I into a bourne shell or what? 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From: Manas Bhatnagar To: Baho Utot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:58:09 -0000 PkFmdGVyIHRoZSAvYmluL3NoIGFtIEkgaW50byBhIGJvdXJuZSBzaGVsbCBvciB3aGF0PwoKVHJ5 ICdlbnYgYmFzaCc/Cgo= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 15:59:49 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855C3B6AC72 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5032418D7 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:52879] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 20/16-08765-37C44575; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:59:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1b9aSp-0006cz-2H for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 11:59:47 -0400 From: Baho Utot Subject: sh and What am I missing here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <766ae4e4-30b6-8891-6c81-256c92210eb3@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 11:59:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:59:49 -0000 I have tried this on 11-CURRENT and 10.1 release........... Just doing some scripting ( thought I was using a bourne shell but may scripting was puking) so I came across this........ root@baho-utot:~ # set _ addsuffix anyerror argv () autoexpand autolist ambiguous autorehash csubstnonl cwd /root dirstack /root echo_style bsd edit euid 0 euser root filec gid 0 group wheel history 1000 home /root killring 30 loginsh mail /var/mail/root owd path (/sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/games /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /root/bin) prompt %N@%m:%~ %# prompt2 %R? prompt3 CORRECT>%R (y|n|e|a)? promptchars %# savehist (1000 merge) shell /bin/csh shlvl 1 status 0 tcsh 6.18.01 term xterm tty pts/0 uid 0 user root version tcsh 6.18.01 (Astron) 2012-02-14 (x86_64-amd-FreeBSD) options wide,nls,dl,al,kan,sm,rh,color,filec OK tcsh as I thought OK switch shells root@baho-utot:~ # /bin/sh # set BLOCKSIZE=K EDITOR=vi GROUP=wheel HOME=/root HOST=baho-utot.bildanet.com HOSTTYPE=FreeBSD IFS=' ' LOGNAME=root MACHTYPE=x86_64 MAIL=/var/mail/root OPTIND=1 OSTYPE=FreeBSD PAGER=more PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/root/bin PPID=1373 PS1='# ' PS2='> ' PS4='+ ' PWD=/root SHELL=/bin/csh SHLVL=1 TERM=xterm USER=root VENDOR=amd # Why is the SHELL variable still set to /bin/csh After the /bin/sh am I into a bourne shell or what? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 16:02:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B85B6AE42 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:02:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52ECA1CA1 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:52887] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A6/27-08765-9CC44575; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:01:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1b9aUD-0006dY-5O for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:01:13 -0400 Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <57544c10.90e58c0a.cacbc.62fd@mx.google.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 12:01:13 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57544c10.90e58c0a.cacbc.62fd@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:02:21 -0000 On 06/05/16 11:58, Manas Bhatnagar wrote: >> After the /bin/sh am I into a bourne shell or what? > Try 'env bash'? > > env: bash: No such file or directory From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 16:15:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8608B6A1FA for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:15:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x234.google.com (mail-io0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7250514CD for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:15:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x234.google.com with SMTP id o189so110407064ioe.2 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:15:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8Y3qytZBWmdUBRmnl2xVLe8dnXhE6JIIq7lrQ7MChLA=; b=u/YqhMZ8Iq+8jlIugI7QgDAhufzDIzlZI4ti8heA8zuAEooD91wE/yHe9aF41UPfUt 46xYA3043hgNMlPq3chv2xQZbU8p0xsnYUPtfChPCvTWxxPSToNCLrBYkk9fISwDZBwY U3yVbgDtPtG+oMTOsT8nnDFkwIfhSTeuDFIGx4tke79DZx5opi9fG5LgOHmm0tZBABQW ABPm1ucu9Q5bkbazS4aaHJz1a6njgB6CHedZiO+kyOgQ3/L15DzM2mVgJsX7nspO6jE9 Zai5YZOGcaPlY6qiG9vwNq7weAr/+rD5eAtez3iCcuFSQxPwV7zJ/QKlHKeI/t5TeTH4 5nIg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8Y3qytZBWmdUBRmnl2xVLe8dnXhE6JIIq7lrQ7MChLA=; b=JX2urQO5knrYfarvL4Iteh52eaZ5JdQP2zma0pyjBPmYTYZfU47YGlkMKdATxE2Vgo gfax935WfN3JUlTSG+SicLxU0FOb4TPMgFWOOzc9N1O6GoHp5LiHuCHoqUKTE8lFnZdb KuWuerrkU29s3hTL75UAMNmwjStZA1Yx0Ug2FWmBppcEsH5+p6R118YX/baJQqL99XJ2 wr0IsRKVnDe6w++ghmk4So7os8bpkK/+UkynLzQIcsQ4w8VA5XsgAvQ9pZPpZMtg8Io5 NQv9sdGAcJA+Dny2LCd6008Rj6dOP1dBgcmrFazQiv6vlj6BCLU1TMvaI+d/h1gmcMHl KeDg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLHBVtP973SK9PntZeLFoZYA4jHSj8kpzQYK//58/PVXUwG2Xh2GHPV+T79zvpg2g== X-Received: by 10.107.151.195 with SMTP id z186mr16221485iod.191.1465143339799; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id f199sm4248679ita.17.2016.06.05.09.15.38 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57545029.5060805@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:15:37 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? References: <57544c10.90e58c0a.cacbc.62fd@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:15:40 -0000 On 06/05/2016 10:01 AM, Baho Utot wrote: > On 06/05/16 11:58, Manas Bhatnagar wrote: >>> After the /bin/sh am I into a bourne shell or what? >> Try 'env bash'? >> >> > env: bash: No such file or directory Sorry, for barging in at this point. Do I understand correctly that you want bash to be your shell? If so, you can run (as root), the command chsh where should all be replaced by your login name. This will give you a vi screen where you change your login shell to whatever you want it to be. After that , you need to make sure that the rc and profile files that are executed by your chosen shell, export the variable SHELL= for example: export SHELL=/bin/bash HTH. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 16:23:02 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D33BB6A542 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x229.google.com (mail-it0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 373621D2E for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x229.google.com with SMTP id f67so25715985ith.1 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:23:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vVR4qEg8kMsp2wAx0A6gzMvNsmFvbH0gmQgNQg2SriQ=; b=lEWMnfCyTvvEGU9u2wC4DF3J+Ibf4VIukHwaBuHAAxYeQ5llafx/meLlfo0EgiraPA C+LUIw3zZfEoNM8hMalCMWBFmMTpaTrhSsVfMxdLGdTwLMWTj7aqtc13QC+NDVLuzpqC 7EQW5CbW90svP9mP7GohanqT+OwuDyIlXzMWzxvyAZgj6lpIIiMBuzOuKgB636EYnrAt l1eTgPlHS+oJ4jLCDe500K5kQXS647z+vAlrAmlSTf7GNG/fQzrUVFYDE6fvY5Id8VtS Ei7lHmsdu66jXeH/oeLBEfKRU5qQyi2F5WUL32iLUSDeULRB9V5YhO7CyQC5UAEfT/6G hzQQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vVR4qEg8kMsp2wAx0A6gzMvNsmFvbH0gmQgNQg2SriQ=; b=KuFliwWzlxwHkKHngNXDb4B36oaZiTuHNl0bRWYkHC92/8eMzx5R67pOs6hoHuFj+2 DJwluGaOh597ViNpKh2OJwg6q/UHUBAoFCwHzL/zYIve07S+DPCpfQGUX3b53BGErxMy rDpQwW7wotDARrrHUM5R4rKE+BWA+09l5pIDMlIGsyea6EduaaIgH+f1mbgWcekA+gRQ JG9pmPqr12Oxr4BtWXbsdp/lgxjGS53oef/ksHA3Qqv4V+fsh+sWAPd67rmlA+REUBKH YVqOCo/Il9SB8od0U+J/161JXZ1m5Vy7z+3ngyHdqvWRS7mmZUk41ykEnQiSWxJ4zZ6D 0tcg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIQ0HY+Xc2jkM2w0OAH405WvCpp94PmTD+qdUupYBiWOt6J8rvAK54XuAWFCvIIWg== X-Received: by 10.36.112.81 with SMTP id f78mr11638705itc.32.1465143781767; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id j137sm7182551ioe.18.2016.06.05.09.23.00 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <575451E4.7030104@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:23:00 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? References: <57544c10.90e58c0a.cacbc.62fd@mx.google.com> <57545029.5060805@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57545029.5060805@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:23:02 -0000 On 06/05/2016 10:01 AM, Baho Utot wrote: > On 06/05/16 11:58, Manas Bhatnagar wrote: >>> After the /bin/sh am I into a bourne shell or what? >> Try 'env bash'? >> >> > env: bash: No such file or directory Sorry, for barging in at this point. Do I understand correctly that you want bash to be your shell? If so, you can run (as root), the command chsh where should all be replaced by your login name. This will give you a vi screen where you change your login shell to whatever you want it to be. After that , you need to make sure that the rc and profile files that are executed by your chosen shell, export the variable SHELL= for example: export SHELL=/bin/bash HTH. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 16:30:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9AEB6A817 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:30:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BE5106E for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:30:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:52917] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 67/6D-11286-39354575; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:30:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1b9awF-0006eU-7n for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:30:11 -0400 Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <57544c10.90e58c0a.cacbc.62fd@mx.google.com> <57545029.5060805@gmail.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <6f157455-0bda-ef46-82dc-e97fb0c4a08b@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 12:30:11 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57545029.5060805@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:30:13 -0000 On 06/05/16 12:15, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 06/05/2016 10:01 AM, Baho Utot wrote: >> On 06/05/16 11:58, Manas Bhatnagar wrote: >>>> After the /bin/sh am I into a bourne shell or what? >>> Try 'env bash'? >>> >>> >> env: bash: No such file or directory > > Sorry, for barging in at this point. > Do I understand correctly that you want bash to be your shell? No I don't want to have sh as my shell or change the default shell. I am just writing a script to build packages from ports on a new install. As bash is not available but sh was I'll use that to script into. Now when I was writing the script syntax that should have been a Ok in sh it was/is failing. After some head scratching I found that maybe I wasn't really using or in a bourne shell ie /bin/sh. That made me think that even though I have #!/bin/sh at the top of the script some how I wasn't really getting sh but csh. So here is what I tried. Power on console ( boot computer ) Login in as root /bin/sh set # to show environment etc WTF SHELL says I am in csh???? It should say SHELL=/bin/sh Hence my question here as to what is going on. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 16:31:50 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC83B6A8E5 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40F0C12C6 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:31:42 -0700 Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:31:53 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:31:50 -0000 On 06/05/2016 08:38 AM, Baho Utot wrote: ... > root@baho-utot:~ # set ... > shell /bin/csh ... > tcsh 6.18.01 ... > OK tcsh as I thought ... > OK switch shells > > root@baho-utot:~ # /bin/sh > # set ... > Why is the SHELL variable still set to /bin/csh ... Because you are invoking a program (/bin/sh) and that program did not modify the SHELL environment variable. On 06/05/2016 09:15 AM, jd1008 wrote: > Do I understand correctly that you want bash to be your shell? > If so, you can run (as root), the command > chsh +1 Take a look at: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/linux-users/shells.html David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 16:36:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74EAB6AAE9 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62B5B1508 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id u55Ga4r9010241; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 02:36:04 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 02:36:04 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Adam Lindberg cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pidfile generated by /usr/sbin/daemon not usable by rc.d script In-Reply-To: <5C74A843-C2EB-424B-9254-0CD68A07E480@wooga.net> Message-ID: <20160606022421.T15883@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20160602230511.W15883@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <5C74A843-C2EB-424B-9254-0CD68A07E480@wooga.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:36:15 -0000 On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 10:18:53 +0200, Adam Lindberg wrote: > We are using FreeBSD 10.1 STABLE. We are trying to demonize an Erlang > program. Erlang itself has support for detaching but cannot write > pidfiles. Thats why were trying to use daemon to wrap it. > > My experience is also that read works in all cases without a newline, > except from inside the rc script. That I cannot explain. I'm mystified too. Sounds like raising a bug might be your best bet; it may be come across by someone who knows more or recognises something. Looking at your sh -ex runs, good and fail, the only thing I wonder about is whether running it without -e might make any difference .. although the sourced /etc/rc.subr certainly should be -e safe. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 16:36:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84FCB6AAED for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:36:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B3C4150E for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:36:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:36:16 -0700 Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <57544c10.90e58c0a.cacbc.62fd@mx.google.com> <57545029.5060805@gmail.com> <6f157455-0bda-ef46-82dc-e97fb0c4a08b@columbus.rr.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <5754550A.6020500@holgerdanske.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:36:26 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6f157455-0bda-ef46-82dc-e97fb0c4a08b@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:36:18 -0000 On 06/05/2016 09:30 AM, Baho Utot wrote: > No I don't want to have sh as my shell or change the default shell. > I am just writing a script to build packages from ports on a new install. > As bash is not available but sh was I'll use that to script into. > > Now when I was writing the script syntax that should have been a Ok in > sh it was/is failing. > After some head scratching I found that maybe I wasn't really using or > in a bourne shell ie /bin/sh. > That made me think that even though I have #!/bin/sh at the top of the > script some how I wasn't really getting sh but csh. > > So here is what I tried. > Power on console ( boot computer ) > Login in as root > /bin/sh > > set # to show environment etc > WTF SHELL says I am in csh???? > > It should say SHELL=/bin/sh > > Hence my question here as to what is going on. Is your script executable? # chmod +x scriptname Does it have a shebang line? #!/bin/sh Does it make use of the SHELL variable? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 16:46:48 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2571B6AFFF for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:46:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD461F52 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:46:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:52948] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id E6/D7-11286-77754575; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:46:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1b9bCI-0006fP-QD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:46:46 -0400 Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <57544c10.90e58c0a.cacbc.62fd@mx.google.com> <57545029.5060805@gmail.com> <6f157455-0bda-ef46-82dc-e97fb0c4a08b@columbus.rr.com> <5754550A.6020500@holgerdanske.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <02a5bb3c-e19a-221c-d30f-0feacebbf928@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 12:46:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5754550A.6020500@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:46:48 -0000 On 06/05/16 12:36, David Christensen wrote: > On 06/05/2016 09:30 AM, Baho Utot wrote: >> No I don't want to have sh as my shell or change the default shell. >> I am just writing a script to build packages from ports on a new >> install. >> As bash is not available but sh was I'll use that to script into. >> >> Now when I was writing the script syntax that should have been a Ok in >> sh it was/is failing. >> After some head scratching I found that maybe I wasn't really using or >> in a bourne shell ie /bin/sh. >> That made me think that even though I have #!/bin/sh at the top of the >> script some how I wasn't really getting sh but csh. >> >> So here is what I tried. >> Power on console ( boot computer ) >> Login in as root >> /bin/sh >> >> set # to show environment etc >> WTF SHELL says I am in csh???? >> >> It should say SHELL=/bin/sh >> >> Hence my question here as to what is going on. > > Is your script executable? > > # chmod +x scriptname Yes > > > Does it have a shebang line? > > #!/bin/sh > > Yes > Does it make use of the SHELL variable? > > No It also behaves as if it is in tcsh/csh from the command prompt.... Ok you can try this from home ; ) login in as a user ( non root ) set SHELL is set to SHELL=/bin/sh Ok now try su - (give password) set SHELL=/bin/csh Ok that makes sense Now /bin/sh set SHELL=/bin/csh WTF? Log out of all the login as root set SHELL=/bin/csh Ok that makes sense /bin/sh set SHELL=/bin/csh WTF? It looks to me ( if I am not missing something here ) That I can only get to sh by loging in as a user...Again WTF From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 16:59:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD11B694D4 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1mail2513.mymailbank.co.uk (UK1MAIL2513-PERMANET.IE.mymailbank.co.uk [217.69.47.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52FAB1A55 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (UnknownHost [88.151.27.41]) by uk1mail2513-d.mymailbank.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:58:24 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.86_2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1b9bO2-000KuX-W8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:58:55 +0000 Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:58:48 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? Message-Id: <20160605175848.888968b00e11e7fefd84dc76@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:59:12 -0000 On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:31:53 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > > Why is the SHELL variable still set to /bin/csh > ... > > Because you are invoking a program (/bin/sh) and that program did not > modify the SHELL environment variable. This is the correct explanation, nothing automatically changes $SHELL when you execute a program - even if that program is a shell, the variable isn't intended to tell you what you're running just what your default shell is. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 17:15:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C81B69DB7 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:15:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06561799 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:15:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:52961] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 2A/2C-08765-E2E54575; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:15:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1b9be1-0006g4-SJ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 13:15:25 -0400 Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:15:25 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:15:28 -0000 On 06/05/16 12:31, David Christensen wrote: > On 06/05/2016 08:38 AM, Baho Utot wrote: > ... >> root@baho-utot:~ # set > ... >> shell /bin/csh > ... >> tcsh 6.18.01 > ... >> OK tcsh as I thought > ... >> OK switch shells >> >> root@baho-utot:~ # /bin/sh >> # set > ... >> Why is the SHELL variable still set to /bin/csh > ... > > Because you are invoking a program (/bin/sh) and that program did not > modify the SHELL environment variable. > > > On 06/05/2016 09:15 AM, jd1008 wrote: > > Do I understand correctly that you want bash to be your shell? > > If so, you can run (as root), the command > > chsh > > +1 > > Take a look at: > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/linux-users/shells.html > > > David I understood that, But I do not want to change the default shell. I only want to create a script ( sh script ) and run if from a clean machine with just base install nothing else and then run my sh script to build some ports. That's were the trouble lies. ie functions not returning status for example: test.sh chmod +x test.sh #!/bin/sh func() { echo "Yep it's me" return 1 } if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq func ] doesn't work either echo "This works" fi ./test.sh [: func: unexpected operator From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 17:40:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D24B6A36E for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:40:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22e.google.com (mail-it0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3A3F11F1 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id f67so26530476ith.1 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:40:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fj2sDf5GZ9MsapDcDZShbsuE3TNhY5vQj9DwMxSvg/U=; b=pJ0r4Aj2NE0vhf2ZAQtJiUfMcBYEB33f/b3JrHNYmGYTn284Dv+weSJmW3NOxhIVsz oTDqJH37N27WXUyYQwMAH5iRS0wAXKD7HMoThCHzw4rNyD6PbE3PuaxVj6qB9GlB8uez no0ykkzBJx+iv9zqqJJgVDyKElVnF5n2rxbw+rcF2JQUg14qIzJQzJMv9+/EDBuBIBrr 0tZnJGlf9ckyArf6SGAjJpO1YMbg7AnaGQGGvyNz0YfVm2kO8pQz3NeMYavaL+jyKSyW cm19TsqeSY88QC6G0ihup/KE0A7Tzz0AXwKJ5+me6foGc8CwBqo+YsOwUxg1lCjEFoPR VSjQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fj2sDf5GZ9MsapDcDZShbsuE3TNhY5vQj9DwMxSvg/U=; b=GONKdg/K/lYdNDZ/bjzTOqHVe5e/k5746srPzN+KcNleh/V8X37yz8Gfqi1WXZsaSA lYAHLBU0iDeY2YxxstR3Bd0qGdneFUiSA/YiyS3XQ/sNhtTWMqd/ZcBlD81umuwuhsDT kcPF6LgCk2jtbx6RiUAaykBXp4UrBeWzGRaN87Ob3SwFM9USKKMatBHSJlpyK9MrIyVZ 8m6q63DqrMoUyyJI63ifHJnklMKvhNst8SwrFOGD0VOPIWWt46lB8CJIgd+nBeoKH9PX 49ZjxdDpUZ+Tk8DyAViP5U1Xff0LVWg+5dEXQjbt6+Vv31qZ0MkguaDCOKw2XXdR9xPc GxnA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tK62utCkH0aABaw17W2qIQPxirgEBWEtfkgoWop59IbGw1n28cF267htYZzPLNb5Q== X-Received: by 10.36.66.68 with SMTP id i65mr11748343itb.91.1465148429094; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.3] (cpe-184-56-210-236.neo.res.rr.com. [184.56.210.236]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id v136sm4347271ita.3.2016.06.05.10.40.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5754641A.8010508@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 13:40:42 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Baho Utot CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:40:30 -0000 Baho Utot wrote: > On 06/05/16 12:31, David Christensen wrote: >> On 06/05/2016 08:38 AM, Baho Utot wrote: >> ... >>> root@baho-utot:~ # set >> ... >>> shell /bin/csh >> ... >>> tcsh 6.18.01 >> ... >>> OK tcsh as I thought >> ... >>> OK switch shells >>> >>> root@baho-utot:~ # /bin/sh >>> # set >> ... >>> Why is the SHELL variable still set to /bin/csh >> ... >> >> Because you are invoking a program (/bin/sh) and that program did not >> modify the SHELL environment variable. >> >> >> On 06/05/2016 09:15 AM, jd1008 wrote: >> > Do I understand correctly that you want bash to be your shell? >> > If so, you can run (as root), the command >> > chsh >> >> +1 >> >> Take a look at: >> >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/linux-users/shells.html >> >> >> David > > I understood that, But I do not want to change the default shell. > I only want to create a script ( sh script ) and run if from a clean > machine with just base install nothing else and then run my sh script to > build some ports. That's were the trouble lies. ie functions not > returning status for example: > > test.sh > chmod +x test.sh > > #!/bin/sh > > func() { > echo "Yep it's me" > return 1 > } > > if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq func > ] doesn't work either > echo "This works" > fi > > ./test.sh > > [: func: unexpected operator I think your problem is where you are placing your script. You have to place your script in a path that is auto searched for executable scripts. Place your script in /usr/local/bin on your development pc and on the new installed os pc. Then just entering the script on the console command line will cause it to execute. BY the way your script doesn't need to be suffixed with .sh to work. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 17:49:34 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5382B6A78C for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:49:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7EC1A92 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:52988] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id EB/1E-11286-D2664575; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:49:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1b9cB2-0006h4-Oh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 13:49:32 -0400 Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> <5754641A.8010508@gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <5fd48d4e-0ca9-681b-83af-da18280f4979@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:49:32 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5754641A.8010508@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:49:35 -0000 On 06/05/16 13:40, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Baho Utot wrote: >> On 06/05/16 12:31, David Christensen wrote: >>> On 06/05/2016 08:38 AM, Baho Utot wrote: >>> ... >>>> root@baho-utot:~ # set >>> ... >>>> shell /bin/csh >>> ... >>>> tcsh 6.18.01 >>> ... >>>> OK tcsh as I thought >>> ... >>>> OK switch shells >>>> >>>> root@baho-utot:~ # /bin/sh >>>> # set >>> ... >>>> Why is the SHELL variable still set to /bin/csh >>> ... >>> >>> Because you are invoking a program (/bin/sh) and that program did >>> not modify the SHELL environment variable. >>> >>> >>> On 06/05/2016 09:15 AM, jd1008 wrote: >>> > Do I understand correctly that you want bash to be your shell? >>> > If so, you can run (as root), the command >>> > chsh >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> Take a look at: >>> >>> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/linux-users/shells.html >>> >>> >>> David >> >> I understood that, But I do not want to change the default shell. >> I only want to create a script ( sh script ) and run if from a clean >> machine with just base install nothing else and then run my sh script >> to build some ports. That's were the trouble lies. ie functions not >> returning status for example: >> >> test.sh >> chmod +x test.sh >> >> #!/bin/sh >> >> func() { >> echo "Yep it's me" >> return 1 >> } >> >> if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq >> func ] doesn't work either >> echo "This works" >> fi >> >> ./test.sh >> >> [: func: unexpected operator > > I think your problem is where you are placing your script. > You have to place your script in a path that is auto searched for > executable scripts. > ./ fixes that > Place your script in /usr/local/bin on your development pc and on the > new installed os pc. Then just entering the script on the console > command line will cause it to execute. BY the way your script doesn't > need to be suffixed with .sh to work. It does need the suffix .sh because if it is missing I fail to function...... the computer does just fine. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 18:01:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2658B6AA04 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF3B1122 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:53010] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id C8/20-04697-AF864575; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:01:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1b9cMc-0006hr-6s for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 14:01:30 -0400 Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <57544c10.90e58c0a.cacbc.62fd@mx.google.com> <57545029.5060805@gmail.com> <6f157455-0bda-ef46-82dc-e97fb0c4a08b@columbus.rr.com> <86h9d7r09p.fsf@WorkBox.Home> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <95af446b-4bca-e0c3-ba32-4c003fade6ea@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:01:30 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86h9d7r09p.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.118:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:01:31 -0000 On 06/05/16 13:52, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > Baho Utot writes: > >> So here is what I tried. >> Power on console ( boot computer ) >> Login in as root >> /bin/sh >> >> set # to show environment etc >> WTF SHELL says I am in csh???? >> >> It should say SHELL=/bin/sh >> >> Hence my question here as to what is going on. > It seems the $SHELL variable is derived from the settings for the > account you log into. That variable persists when you run another shell, > as (a) the base environment is inherited by child processes; and (b) the > (interactive) shell is just another running user program at that point, > not a base working environment itself. > > Log in as root and start a different (interactive) shell, and the > variable will remain unchanged. Log in as a normal user and start > another shell, and you'll get the same result. Log in as any user and > `su` to any other user---simulating a new login---and the value of the > variable will change to the user shell for the new account. > > As I understand it, you can have a script you've executed change the > variable having it simulate a login shell and parse a custom > configuration file. See the "Invocation" section of the sh(8) man page > for an explanation. > > Ok, But I think I will need to talk to Jack Daniels first then I will have a look at the man page From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 18:15:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F0EB6B25C for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22d.google.com (mail-it0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FEF51DA6 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id f67so26894119ith.1 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 11:15:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KNuARb5uJaXCSk0LBbubrSUEXzSFA/uFrtNQoPbCqz0=; b=xzdELi+IwTJbv5ytp2ITAJKzbLgdVUAywpAcUyhsAbXEZptf2+silcnetOdj8RcCEG 8FiqyqbTiL1NHCGCPrwQ/6DIVlPzOpFazjSXPPK82z3+t0Bc+Zdre4tnhM9jp+u2BxLj xaWzBCRD59y15FUX95ljcQAEA0xRwPZJokh8hMetZFmsTYA7E69hhIlSykUPUr8JdpKO xx2TOm3AXwZnHl+QckT4uydGRuVlTAZmmtZtv5nHDgR6fSTXegtRzMUaMaNEO2KA1dWs CF4r0yCtEOah3KK69jA5q1B3T2kkuz8eucDdWFTZc6PBqKLGmdMFmHgphnLOTcwIHNT6 X5mA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KNuARb5uJaXCSk0LBbubrSUEXzSFA/uFrtNQoPbCqz0=; b=GPaVHGv6gRjPS3jIHLzLokmVBj3WJuP+pVKg5XEmfFS0XqvBzStlmBYkYx8yUOnoiG BUTyLd2vRruxRK3/6H1zMPNAkQT+emzIlGKUWDVCjwuph9NFpZueZxq7iq0zNDGMZUeH 0rvLBuTOgfQmwhTI64ZXOlVmIZTcPjzAHEMX6Nbh1ctY8rmFEfgYvdKM0w/f7wg4LtXT makhY90o4CHotJKrGFpt3jtO/SR8g9nxG8ue+IKywE5fMTESipIY/F4Ixi+dO1NCXPmM zanmB1DACn/k7LOnpt9f2JHNHeofjxBoNvqVkHHLJSPaz48XcEqjjhgpu3mWQvC5brer s9wQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJAnpdE+0b5th/KW2N8QAdhwyXZxczu/6F3UH3ArSp6Cxx5QF/YiO3eicZWPFI/lA== X-Received: by 10.36.26.70 with SMTP id 67mr11995593iti.4.1465150545513; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 11:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.3] (cpe-184-56-210-236.neo.res.rr.com. [184.56.210.236]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c65sm7448755iof.9.2016.06.05.11.15.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2016 11:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57546C60.7020301@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 14:16:00 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lev CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stop ipfilter References: <20160605134825.30e1d3d9@jive> In-Reply-To: <20160605134825.30e1d3d9@jive> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:15:46 -0000 Lev wrote: > Hi, > > > When I want to stop ipnat or ipfilter the command just hangs, and never > return. > > This is what I do: > > service ipfilter stop > > The service is not stopped. > > I can only kill the process. > > Lev > Why would you want to stop ipfilter? Look at the ipf command for reloading updated rules and ipnat to reload nat rules. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 18:23:34 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC93B6B51C for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-f47.google.com (mail-it0-f47.google.com [209.85.214.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B60C1166F for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-f47.google.com with SMTP id z189so27017009itg.0 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 11:23:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=naa81+tD+BHcPsuqjKi7tC3TOSwtFLyJ2Uxtk6Bqbwk=; b=OVznI0le8EptEufdCZrzYtHFjpHf/Eg0AFE1LdqENX/eWw7dM23VsB+wabyh+cwZU8 6YXobNhfw/x3p6k2hoy7cb+XYxXkgOQjQQdQDWZhRSTnxf802DSXw0oJMJEeRFAqUBTL 1ywvSLY1NSRJYL5NVVcdXp1w0ehoemfbHW2vzq0kPYwDXVYr0z8EJ23QQJaY5EJupJ73 UYnCqtTR3s3kb9B3EkuppTxyre2SnOLtF4a8YLr9oD2KlPAZV4A2fKSu0QZdGZNiGOr6 rA0XYwd1QAlKNtAe1Xrhl2bK4ALkooCQ8ftGBrZ3SrCs1fbBtd2PkCom7gtiOfj0IBYA xMHw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLSFX1S+gCmypJ42T3Vt8Q2kSlTL1TWJ5BOYf8bE721mOHNhUPQc2VxWFHUy9//Gg== X-Received: by 10.36.39.3 with SMTP id g3mr10678184ita.53.1465149156028; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (174-30-204-156.mpls.qwest.net. [174.30.204.156]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r80sm4354562itc.18.2016.06.05.10.52.34 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:52:34 -0700 (PDT) References: <57544c10.90e58c0a.cacbc.62fd@mx.google.com> <57545029.5060805@gmail.com> <6f157455-0bda-ef46-82dc-e97fb0c4a08b@columbus.rr.com> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? In-reply-to: <6f157455-0bda-ef46-82dc-e97fb0c4a08b@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:52:34 -0500 Message-ID: <86h9d7r09p.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:23:35 -0000 Baho Utot writes: > So here is what I tried. > Power on console ( boot computer ) > Login in as root > /bin/sh > > set # to show environment etc > WTF SHELL says I am in csh???? > > It should say SHELL=/bin/sh > > Hence my question here as to what is going on. It seems the $SHELL variable is derived from the settings for the account you log into. That variable persists when you run another shell, as (a) the base environment is inherited by child processes; and (b) the (interactive) shell is just another running user program at that point, not a base working environment itself. Log in as root and start a different (interactive) shell, and the variable will remain unchanged. Log in as a normal user and start another shell, and you'll get the same result. Log in as any user and `su` to any other user---simulating a new login---and the value of the variable will change to the user shell for the new account. As I understand it, you can have a script you've executed change the variable having it simulate a login shell and parse a custom configuration file. See the "Invocation" section of the sh(8) man page for an explanation. -- :: Brandon J. 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References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> <5754641A.8010508@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5754641A.8010508@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:26:51 -0000 On 06/05/2016 11:40 AM, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Baho Utot wrote: >> On 06/05/16 12:31, David Christensen wrote: >>> On 06/05/2016 08:38 AM, Baho Utot wrote: >>> ... >>>> root@baho-utot:~ # set >>> ... >>>> shell /bin/csh >>> ... >>>> tcsh 6.18.01 >>> ... >>>> OK tcsh as I thought >>> ... >>>> OK switch shells >>>> >>>> root@baho-utot:~ # /bin/sh >>>> # set >>> ... >>>> Why is the SHELL variable still set to /bin/csh >>> ... >>> >>> Because you are invoking a program (/bin/sh) and that program did >>> not modify the SHELL environment variable. >>> >>> >>> On 06/05/2016 09:15 AM, jd1008 wrote: >>> > Do I understand correctly that you want bash to be your shell? >>> > If so, you can run (as root), the command >>> > chsh >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> Take a look at: >>> >>> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/linux-users/shells.html >>> >>> >>> David >> >> I understood that, But I do not want to change the default shell. >> I only want to create a script ( sh script ) and run if from a clean >> machine with just base install nothing else and then run my sh script >> to build some ports. That's were the trouble lies. ie functions not >> returning status for example: >> >> test.sh >> chmod +x test.sh >> >> #!/bin/sh >> >> func() { >> echo "Yep it's me" >> return 1 >> } >> >> if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq >> func ] doesn't work either >> echo "This works" >> fi >> >> ./test.sh >> >> [: func: unexpected operator > > I think your problem is where you are placing your script. > You have to place your script in a path that is auto searched for > executable scripts. > > Place your script in /usr/local/bin on your development pc and on the > new installed os pc. Then just entering the script on the console > command line will cause it to execute. BY the way your script doesn't > need to be suffixed with .sh to work. Hey Baho, Well, your login rc files (such as .cshrc or whatever other rc or profies files are executed, they set your default shell to (as you indicated) /bin/csh. Since you do not want to change that, then I suggest that your shell script you are working with have this code just after the shebang line: export SHELL=/bin/sh then code you functions and script after that. The shell variable value will only affect the shell you are executing and any other shell scripts you run from there (as long as those shell scripts are shebanged with #!/bin/sh and do not reset the SHELL variable value. 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To: jd1008 , FreeBSD Users Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:46:31 -0000 I'm getting this junk too. 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Anyways, this should not hang, should it? Lev On 5 Jun 2016 20:15, "Ernie Luzar" wrote: > Lev wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> When I want to stop ipnat or ipfilter the command just hangs, and never >> return. >> >> This is what I do: >> >> service ipfilter stop >> >> The service is not stopped. >> >> I can only kill the process. >> >> Lev >> >> > Why would you want to stop ipfilter? > > Look at the ipf command for reloading updated rules and ipnat to reload > nat rules. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 20:13:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86905B6B1E1 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 20:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43AA71AC9 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 20:13:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-81-198.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.81.198]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABB9B3CCFC; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 22:13:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u55KDKcU002204; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 22:13:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 22:13:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? Message-Id: <20160605221320.ac3da346.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <02a5bb3c-e19a-221c-d30f-0feacebbf928@columbus.rr.com> References: <57544c10.90e58c0a.cacbc.62fd@mx.google.com> <57545029.5060805@gmail.com> <6f157455-0bda-ef46-82dc-e97fb0c4a08b@columbus.rr.com> <5754550A.6020500@holgerdanske.com> <02a5bb3c-e19a-221c-d30f-0feacebbf928@columbus.rr.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 20:13:31 -0000 I'm not sure if it has been mentioned in an explicit way, so allow me to pick up some lines and clarify: On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 12:46:46 -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > login in as a user ( non root ) > set > SHELL is set to SHELL=/bin/sh > Ok now try > su - (give password) > set > SHELL=/bin/csh Ok that makes sense > Now > /bin/sh > set > SHELL=/bin/csh WTF? This is to be expected. The variable $SHELL corresponds to the "shell" field of /etc/passwd, which sets the login shell. When you use "su -", you perform a login operation, so root gets assigned the login shell as specified by /etc/passwd. Additionally, "su -" sets the environmental variables for the root user and therefore overwrites possibly different settings of the initial user; "su -m" preserves that user's environment. > login as root > set > SHELL=/bin/csh Ok that makes sense > /bin/sh > set > SHELL=/bin/csh WTF? Again, the same thing happens. If you execute /bin/sh, it will inherit the environment previously set up by /bin/csh, which also contains the $SHELL variable. Remember, $SHELL does not state which shell you are currently using - instead, it contains the name of the login shell. > It looks to me ( if I am not missing something here ) > That I can only get to sh by loging in as a user...Again WTF If you want to interactively run sh (the Bourne shell equivalent of FreeBSD, which is not a good dialog shell, but the system's default scripting shell, as well as the dialog shell for the limited maintenance mode / single user mode), just execute it. % sh # _ For scripting use, /bin/sh is recommended over bash except you really _really_ want to use bash-isms that sh does not implement. In this case, make sure your script starts with "#!/usr/local/bin/bash" (the default path after installation of bash from ports) or the more convenient "#!/usr/bin/env bash" which will also work if you force bash's install into /bin. However, you don't need to execute a shell script written for sh from inside sh. It's just important that the following conditions are met: (1st) "#!/bin/sh" is the first line, (2nd) the script is executable (use "chmod +x " to set the x bit), and (3rd) the script is at a location inside $PATH, the search path from where executables are sourced. When you run csh, give the "rehash" command after you've put something into a valid executable location, or just specify the full path (use "./name" or "./name.sh" for the current directory). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 20:21:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847E5B6B446 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 20:21:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3101E47 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 20:21:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:53073] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A3/DB-04697-FB984575; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 20:21:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1b9eXv-0006kq-7L for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:21:19 -0400 Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <57544c10.90e58c0a.cacbc.62fd@mx.google.com> <57545029.5060805@gmail.com> <6f157455-0bda-ef46-82dc-e97fb0c4a08b@columbus.rr.com> <5754550A.6020500@holgerdanske.com> <02a5bb3c-e19a-221c-d30f-0feacebbf928@columbus.rr.com> <20160605221320.ac3da346.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:21:19 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160605221320.ac3da346.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.118:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 20:21:21 -0000 On 06/05/16 16:13, Polytropon wrote: > I'm not sure if it has been mentioned in an explicit way, so > allow me to pick up some lines and clarify: > > On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 12:46:46 -0400, Baho Utot wrote: >> login in as a user ( non root ) >> set >> SHELL is set to SHELL=/bin/sh >> Ok now try >> su - (give password) >> set >> SHELL=/bin/csh Ok that makes sense >> Now >> /bin/sh >> set >> SHELL=/bin/csh WTF? > This is to be expected. The variable $SHELL corresponds to the > "shell" field of /etc/passwd, which sets the login shell. When > you use "su -", you perform a login operation, so root gets > assigned the login shell as specified by /etc/passwd. > > Additionally, "su -" sets the environmental variables for the > root user and therefore overwrites possibly different settings > of the initial user; "su -m" preserves that user's environment. > > > >> login as root >> set >> SHELL=/bin/csh Ok that makes sense >> /bin/sh >> set >> SHELL=/bin/csh WTF? > Again, the same thing happens. If you execute /bin/sh, it will > inherit the environment previously set up by /bin/csh, which > also contains the $SHELL variable. > > Remember, $SHELL does not state which shell you are currently > using - instead, it contains the name of the login shell. > > > >> It looks to me ( if I am not missing something here ) >> That I can only get to sh by loging in as a user...Again WTF > If you want to interactively run sh (the Bourne shell equivalent > of FreeBSD, which is not a good dialog shell, but the system's > default scripting shell, as well as the dialog shell for the > limited maintenance mode / single user mode), just execute it. > > % sh > # _ > > For scripting use, /bin/sh is recommended over bash except you > really _really_ want to use bash-isms that sh does not implement. > In this case, make sure your script starts with "#!/usr/local/bin/bash" > (the default path after installation of bash from ports) or the > more convenient "#!/usr/bin/env bash" which will also work if you > force bash's install into /bin. > > However, you don't need to execute a shell script written for sh > from inside sh. It's just important that the following conditions > are met: (1st) "#!/bin/sh" is the first line, (2nd) the script is > executable (use "chmod +x " to set the x bit), and (3rd) the > script is at a location inside $PATH, the search path from where > executables are sourced. When you run csh, give the "rehash" command > after you've put something into a valid executable location, or just > specify the full path (use "./name" or "./name.sh" for the current > directory). > > > Looks like I need to reread how login/interactive shells are executed as I don't remember when .profiles and .shrc are executed/read From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 20:36:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E13B6BFCE for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 20:36:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49D8610CD for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 20:36:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-81-198.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.81.198]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4F003CC6D; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 22:36:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u55KaWPl002315; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 22:36:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 22:36:32 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? Message-Id: <20160605223632.e263d041.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <57544c10.90e58c0a.cacbc.62fd@mx.google.com> <57545029.5060805@gmail.com> <6f157455-0bda-ef46-82dc-e97fb0c4a08b@columbus.rr.com> <5754550A.6020500@holgerdanske.com> <02a5bb3c-e19a-221c-d30f-0feacebbf928@columbus.rr.com> <20160605221320.ac3da346.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 20:36:35 -0000 On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:21:19 -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > Looks like I need to reread how login/interactive shells are executed as > I don't remember when .profiles and .shrc are executed/read Oh, that's quite simple, if I remember correctly: For the C shell: /etc/csh.cshrc = global resource for all shells /etc/csh.login = global "auto-exec" for login shells /etc/csh.logout = global "auto-exec" at logout ~/.cshrc = user resource for all shells ~/.login = user "auto-exec" for login shells ~/.logout = user "auto-exec" at logout In .cshrc, you often find "if ($?prompt) then ... endif" blocks which make settings apply only for interactive shells (such as keyboard definitions, history settings or other things that do not matter for scripting); in such cases, $prompt is set. For sh: /etc/profile = global resource for interactive shells ~/.shrc = global resource for all shells ~/.profile = user resource for interactive shells For bash: ~/.bashrc = user resource for all shells ~/.bash_profile = same as .profile, but bash-specific Confusing... I hope I got it right this time. :-) Note that bash also reads sh's profile files. The files are in the corresonding shell's language. There also is a precedence in which order the files are read. Even though "read" and "execute" means the same for those files, there are suggestions to use, for example, .cshrc for settings such as prompt, history, aliases, path, mail ("internal stuff"), while .login is used to start actual programs, such as biff, mesg, fortune ("external stuff"). See "man csh", "man sh" and "man bash" for details. They contain more information about when a shell is considered an interactive or a login shell. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 21:00:43 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A42B6AA8D for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:00:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 071CF144E for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:00:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:00:30 -0700 Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <575492F8.6080504@holgerdanske.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:00:40 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 21:00:43 -0000 On 06/05/2016 10:15 AM, Baho Utot wrote: > I only want to create a script ( sh script ) and run if from a clean > machine with just base install nothing else and then run my sh script to > build some ports. That's were the trouble lies. ie functions not > returning status for example: > > test.sh > chmod +x test.sh > > #!/bin/sh > > func() { > echo "Yep it's me" > return 1 > } > > if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq func > ] doesn't work either > echo "This works" > fi > > ./test.sh > > [: func: unexpected operator If I run your code on my FreeBSD 10.1 box with Csh login shell: dpchrist@p42800e:~/sandbox/sh % uname -a FreeBSD p42800e 10.1-RELEASE-p35 FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p35 #0: Sat May 28 03:02:45 UTC 2016 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 dpchrist@p42800e:~/sandbox/sh % echo $SHELL /bin/csh dpchrist@p42800e:~/sandbox/sh % cat baho-utot.sh #!/bin/sh func() { echo "Yep it's me" return 1 } if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq func ] doesn't work either echo "This works" fi dpchrist@p42800e:~/sandbox/sh % ./baho-utot.sh This works I do not see the string "Yep it's me". I see the string "This works". I do not see an error message. I get the same results if I change my login shell to Sh: $ echo $SHELL /bin/sh $ ./baho-utot.sh This works Enabling the -v and -x options for Sh provides a clue -- 'func' is not getting called: $ echo $SHELL /bin/sh $ /bin/sh -v -x baho-utot.sh #!/bin/sh func() { echo "Yep it's me" return 1 } if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq func ] doesn't work either echo "This works" fi + [ func ] + echo 'This works' This works Calling 'func' and then testing '$?' (exit value special variable) explicitly seems to help: $ cat baho-utot-2.sh #!/bin/sh func() { echo "func returning 1" return 1 } func2() { echo "func2 returning 0" return 0 } func if [ $? = 1 ] ; then echo "func worked" else echo "func did not work" fi func2 if [ $? = 1 ] ; then echo "func2 worked" else echo "func2 did not work" fi $ ./baho-utot-2.sh func returning 1 func worked func2 returning 0 func2 did not work David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 21:24:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A48B6B2C2 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:24:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x241.google.com (mail-it0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FEF2170B for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:24:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x241.google.com with SMTP id z123so4130493itg.2 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 14:24:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=364lHCP04JGRACMvDpjCroOsAu34wtg/IRKNPYz69A4=; b=CtRvncN/LoKYgkovZNq7sOG1OBzw3fG+jT6ehVXZBb4akFBEreveD3oPuXydkludEP l2gkmfez4VKbcvp04WM9bNN4crxeD1ezriA7iixOjpqWZ3D916LlT2fnjQN35JGD/2sR lKcG9i3j9g4ecTo0G9xrAcLPdcP6iZNoWFy3ctndmYGbi3xnHtlPWbV2B+ZMCQ6fAcu/ bp4Xpq9w6CqFEndgYIu0XBYxkxoV0b8E/JwSFdYRq1lLE27HoWX0sqdE9enSDrt5yxdp Yodrfljovk7MVy1wGyzPD5xYpjjV7n223pcVU9s43S8BsrnYYYLDi6k3mH5MNRnF1Zqh 2Ccw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=364lHCP04JGRACMvDpjCroOsAu34wtg/IRKNPYz69A4=; b=SrbEJ4ZSd3BK1Ttjfu11oWItj2wilw1hPXo7Jvfq0dOT86NtbMokEsHO8V+JKzMUFY iza3ZZyWq9V1tC7CXMGoXz4hT+G83EzsftCP9bjgcyIgdDKyl8JsIzOJd4pv+sNdx52x BUntZn2+iYZ9ExsQi/2BB0VnwOlmJocgxyjrQ6bdXz/7TA45vCTuk8cReM1kx/o3wOv7 jfhjcpF2mEhdMTzMQ9lTpztkDniJUP1Hf9ZtgrJBSyLydb8bGHB2NdkCa1SjtcNG9Ohp tTNkpiGtrI/UtJnLkdvGtZmJp/FkjiLi6duuIul9p0yhUYL0zaWaV4kdt1snOXsw08x8 HEyg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLbX4HwHOx6Fx9Hwm4iWcfM2YMD9W6qS9YcWkHrgex8K23Sj3syDxI15QBNFOdyMA== X-Received: by 10.36.93.80 with SMTP id w77mr12642723ita.48.1465161890632; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 14:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.3] (cpe-184-56-210-236.neo.res.rr.com. [184.56.210.236]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e37sm7689204iod.25.2016.06.05.14.24.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2016 14:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <575498B9.4030203@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:25:13 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Levente CC: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: stop ipfilter References: <20160605134825.30e1d3d9@jive> <57546C60.7020301@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 21:24:51 -0000 issue "ps ax" it will show you running tasks. No task named ipfilter. issue "service ipmon stop" and "service ipmon start" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 22:33:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BC8B6B022 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 22:33:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EB01329 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 22:33:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:53125] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id D0/75-31413-EB8A4575; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 22:33:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1b9gbt-0006nH-O8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:33:33 -0400 Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> <575492F8.6080504@holgerdanske.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <9d8dcc37-3047-4fab-abda-e10d3cf29893@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:33:33 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <575492F8.6080504@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 22:33:41 -0000 On 06/05/16 17:00, David Christensen wrote: > On 06/05/2016 10:15 AM, Baho Utot wrote: >> I only want to create a script ( sh script ) and run if from a clean >> machine with just base install nothing else and then run my sh script to >> build some ports. That's were the trouble lies. ie functions not >> returning status for example: >> >> test.sh >> chmod +x test.sh >> >> #!/bin/sh >> >> func() { >> echo "Yep it's me" >> return 1 >> } >> >> if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq func >> ] doesn't work either >> echo "This works" >> fi >> >> ./test.sh >> >> [: func: unexpected operator > > If I run your code on my FreeBSD 10.1 box with Csh login shell: > > dpchrist@p42800e:~/sandbox/sh % uname -a > FreeBSD p42800e 10.1-RELEASE-p35 FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p35 #0: Sat > May 28 03:02:45 UTC 2016 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > dpchrist@p42800e:~/sandbox/sh % echo $SHELL > /bin/csh > dpchrist@p42800e:~/sandbox/sh % cat baho-utot.sh > #!/bin/sh > > func() { > echo "Yep it's me" > return 1 > } > > if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq > func ] doesn't work either > echo "This works" > fi > dpchrist@p42800e:~/sandbox/sh % ./baho-utot.sh > This works > > > I do not see the string "Yep it's me". > > > I see the string "This works". > > > I do not see an error message. > > > I get the same results if I change my login shell to Sh: > > $ echo $SHELL > /bin/sh > $ ./baho-utot.sh > This works > > > Enabling the -v and -x options for Sh provides a clue -- 'func' is not > getting called: > > $ echo $SHELL > /bin/sh > $ /bin/sh -v -x baho-utot.sh > #!/bin/sh > > func() { > echo "Yep it's me" > return 1 > } > > if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq > func ] doesn't work either > echo "This works" > fi > + [ func ] > + echo 'This works' > This works > > > Calling 'func' and then testing '$?' (exit value special variable) > explicitly seems to help: > > $ cat baho-utot-2.sh > #!/bin/sh > > func() { > echo "func returning 1" > return 1 > } > > func2() { > echo "func2 returning 0" > return 0 > } > > func > if [ $? = 1 ] ; then > echo "func worked" > else > echo "func did not work" > fi > > func2 > if [ $? = 1 ] ; then > echo "func2 worked" > else > echo "func2 did not work" > fi > $ ./baho-utot-2.sh > func returning 1 > func worked > func2 returning 0 > func2 did not work > Ok Thanks I'll give it a go From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 23:01:17 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B68FB6B8E9 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 23:01:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB7F4124E for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 23:01:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id m124so50648317wme.1 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:01:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PEg28ua9Ccfoj8tM2pJ+Cvqc4BU20xnmbVD3NZ5cZVE=; b=osZqQaaRhKWXk94rScwTvVB/G5nsh1KLgUB1MNeICvPPfSNRPkD7taxbDj+0eZsnyI B/GR3YVNpUn6cEwsliqUBTvd+THuqnsWy9U73bHo6+K1K8n/oCGMLokAv7JXkC8fypkY HzN8vOGqwzEdv7Wk2n6J6T7l/1QX5TWje8YmdLPISDQCiRG1GfbDO3DD7+gynhASbGk4 JltLOIpcbwg8//qWfsax4SMFtDU6cPSxXo+HKZRhBk3CutGowTqdfwit0j8Dp71XCjp2 wBjlTg4H3aC0P4g6/7R6U0CMomjbopXC3V0C18g4UKZ2EyNEqNGRdG3A3dD7aQajejWJ pK7w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PEg28ua9Ccfoj8tM2pJ+Cvqc4BU20xnmbVD3NZ5cZVE=; b=mG6u2srgcYyQIdeFh4B2EwiqLLTV8UfNY6xEnIHEk6IAr8KbNgmIyv5HW8dU/Aq5ML 1ymb2JeASehePUz5sAUKuV7gRmdJumy0TTlTKGcl8T2t4CQ8Jjaz8brKMLx90+QKULiu H7mkVksqxBn8sr+iHMrHQgWtnidtR7BdjSld4EFyIpDD8TbI/Cn7cH63UhfwSPHz14pp FrIRvAfWUPNaS35Eyk9tW3cvdus0x2P9zi3OFHKpmbVWzFc5N7Oaq0ahBSg+OxxCrhS8 aewk8wn5LTlBWfQTzZKD3EZtg1mP4eTDkzhQs+RnftJrntw6aRIKFhX+HYJmeaCn+2AQ r5PA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLsvo+z2smCirxUtMGk4/8GX/31fRIdDG3aBMtrD1m4lc8LgbRJCtCOOsfWDMNmIg== X-Received: by 10.194.246.38 with SMTP id xt6mr12238984wjc.44.1465167674917; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.171.97.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id lr9sm17195342wjb.39.2016.06.05.16.01.11 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 00:01:09 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? Message-ID: <20160606000109.3141550d@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 23:01:17 -0000 On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:15:25 -0400 Baho Utot wrote: > On 06/05/16 12:31, David Christensen wrote: > > On 06/05/2016 08:38 AM, Baho Utot wrote: > > ... > >> root@baho-utot:~ # set > > ... > >> shell /bin/csh > > ... > >> tcsh 6.18.01 > > ... > >> OK tcsh as I thought > > ... > >> OK switch shells > >> > >> root@baho-utot:~ # /bin/sh > >> # set > > ... > >> Why is the SHELL variable still set to /bin/csh > > ... > > > > Because you are invoking a program (/bin/sh) and that program did > > not modify the SHELL environment variable. > > > > > > On 06/05/2016 09:15 AM, jd1008 wrote: > > > Do I understand correctly that you want bash to be your shell? > > > If so, you can run (as root), the command > > > chsh > > > > +1 > > > > Take a look at: > > > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/linux-users/shells.html > > > > > > David > > I understood that, But I do not want to change the default shell. > I only want to create a script ( sh script ) and run if from a clean > machine with just base install nothing else and then run my sh script > to build some ports. That's were the trouble lies. ie functions not > returning status for example: It doesn't work because the shell script is wrong. [ func ] doesn't execute func. func and "]" are actually arguments to "[". Using backticks around func executes it. See man test for the rest. $ cat /tmp/foo #!/bin/sh func() { echo "Yep its me" return 1 } if ! func ; then echo "This works" fi if [ "`func`" = "Yep its me" ] ; then echo "This works too" fi if [ "`func`" ] ; then echo "And this works also" fi $ /tmp/foo Yep its me This works This works too And this works also > test.sh > chmod +x test.sh > > #!/bin/sh > > func() { > echo "Yep it's me" > return 1 > } > > if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq > func ] doesn't work either > echo "This works" > fi > > ./test.sh > > [: func: unexpected operator > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 23:03:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85A5B6BA97 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 23:03:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x231.google.com (mail-io0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A14FD1682 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 23:03:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x231.google.com with SMTP id n127so2997046iof.3 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:03:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WAdSuI4EOYkR5GqeNIzttliU+4ixKpfg/E/bxoXkwSo=; b=S0+TZzRZ8j2MxYfjhXIg1JTYyLdW+eWbJo0V7lGBdwD9hqUzjkNJjXwUK8QxGTtyS0 KVtE86RbyxyU/apCoyQjhzWdpnIpwGT1plPtqgIyzQ+/TrZtUpaOHwY2xbb64AkHr6I6 r1wR6oM6//4nG7VkkietkQoUAsaYixlp7BFwjU72AUnD59eQwHd2Ve1329IZA/KNGfDs +VpmCoXytIpHXU29OauvMvxRdVxlM4vZRTK+m/XDW+G233EwQP953p84a1XV47NT2bcc r2kjLOUuuh15j6pf1hGu/pszktIEakPlUtl/VcXKeqfHdlvg8j69fkM7WRz3ceMjWTUU ljJA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WAdSuI4EOYkR5GqeNIzttliU+4ixKpfg/E/bxoXkwSo=; b=CsP4fy5U9ZaS0RzsajHUbbLQn874IgukBXshvuBPgGo1jaUxZG+xsKysngn2V2RiR3 oHFpt0oB/SB7UuQTJ4pUriHAtT04eDUtVfJCHZ3vvzw323KLqzaVOKS9zkjEoJxPEkzh JNnyVDoBeKrvh7CSP+HD+WnwHXk1DIQlaZfouFGjXgjRCBg0xy8rNhpK4WV3f0dB0amh shygGfQ/8EHC1QjMi6cEY2W3VS08g1oS/5ORfhJSbk5kWWDr18L5gWAqg/mOvMquB9sz CFN/4dGf879DXNv/loG8N77lG6M2/Sex3z22MGtji/K5rXZ5+FACXVMdszDXr/PfIv+d c7mA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKathyRrYijS5O5QczSj0FkarN6P97tap63H9KphmhF9aqsMZXNTTtSTSFz1VGBmA== X-Received: by 10.107.7.161 with SMTP id g33mr11418066ioi.64.1465167831972; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ip-64-134-232-31.public.wayport.net. [64.134.232.31]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id i128sm7916429ioa.41.2016.06.05.16.03.50 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2016 16:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5754AFD5.70908@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:03:49 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> <575492F8.6080504@holgerdanske.com> In-Reply-To: <575492F8.6080504@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 23:03:52 -0000 Guys, in shell semantics, a command returning non zero indicates some failure, whereas a command returning 0, indicates success. This is the convention. On 06/05/2016 03:00 PM, David Christensen wrote: > On 06/05/2016 10:15 AM, Baho Utot wrote: >> I only want to create a script ( sh script ) and run if from a clean >> machine with just base install nothing else and then run my sh script to >> build some ports. That's were the trouble lies. ie functions not >> returning status for example: >> >> test.sh >> chmod +x test.sh >> >> #!/bin/sh >> >> func() { >> echo "Yep it's me" >> return 1 >> } >> >> if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq func >> ] doesn't work either >> echo "This works" >> fi >> >> ./test.sh >> >> [: func: unexpected operator > > If I run your code on my FreeBSD 10.1 box with Csh login shell: > > dpchrist@p42800e:~/sandbox/sh % uname -a > FreeBSD p42800e 10.1-RELEASE-p35 FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p35 #0: Sat > May 28 03:02:45 UTC 2016 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > dpchrist@p42800e:~/sandbox/sh % echo $SHELL > /bin/csh > dpchrist@p42800e:~/sandbox/sh % cat baho-utot.sh > #!/bin/sh > > func() { > echo "Yep it's me" > return 1 > } > > if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq > func ] doesn't work either > echo "This works" > fi > dpchrist@p42800e:~/sandbox/sh % ./baho-utot.sh > This works > > > I do not see the string "Yep it's me". > > > I see the string "This works". > > > I do not see an error message. > > > I get the same results if I change my login shell to Sh: > > $ echo $SHELL > /bin/sh > $ ./baho-utot.sh > This works > > > Enabling the -v and -x options for Sh provides a clue -- 'func' is not > getting called: > > $ echo $SHELL > /bin/sh > $ /bin/sh -v -x baho-utot.sh > #!/bin/sh > > func() { > echo "Yep it's me" > return 1 > } > > if [ func ] ; then # if [ 1 = func ] or if [ 1 -eq > func ] doesn't work either > echo "This works" > fi > + [ func ] > + echo 'This works' > This works > > > Calling 'func' and then testing '$?' (exit value special variable) > explicitly seems to help: > > $ cat baho-utot-2.sh > #!/bin/sh > > func() { > echo "func returning 1" > return 1 > } > > func2() { > echo "func2 returning 0" > return 0 > } > > func > if [ $? = 1 ] ; then > echo "func worked" > else > echo "func did not work" > fi > > func2 > if [ $? = 1 ] ; then > echo "func2 worked" > else > echo "func2 did not work" > fi > $ ./baho-utot-2.sh > func returning 1 > func worked > func2 returning 0 > func2 did not work > > > David > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > . > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 5 23:51:33 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ADB9B6B86F for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 23:51:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D9C641F66 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 23:51:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:51:23 -0700 Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> <575492F8.6080504@holgerdanske.com> <5754AFD5.70908@gmail.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <5754BB05.7030707@holgerdanske.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:51:33 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5754AFD5.70908@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 23:51:33 -0000 On 06/05/2016 04:03 PM, jd1008 wrote: > Guys, in shell semantics, a command returning non zero indicates some > failure, > whereas a command returning 0, indicates success. > This is the convention. Agreed, but we were already barking up the wrong side of the road. ;-) David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 00:25:12 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1AFB6A306 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 00:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x236.google.com (mail-it0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468231EE8 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 00:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x236.google.com with SMTP id z123so31134344itg.0 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2bo3ZIRpkgMtDXZw1a5kpiUxgyX/cTQzwRRGkFo08XU=; b=sdGj4OVzg9uvTSp12CLEKDIqkDR4T6akkP3PqeD0q2qivXTWw9Hck2Aychld4qAiCt b9eILYS9ajHekr3CXy6Of/SgQwi5nu4Kx7Ww1+3hEBmk8yjteVVEMMU+3QBCNery0Kh4 nRH87PwLrCAWA+1LjK0tM8P+ut+9dd9tkkCtSUnwA+Vzgl1tbwVx45pTOH8p5yz3hWuE 0q1CVQ+N/of8me0OnvCa+x9alAWpKOJDCruYtekAkjQjvr0og3yHnmlk/N+llK2c+nXC xeq9A6StfDggHMQGqLthJFPkVL0tmNW67fOXxq8MK/3JIs46O7VTs/tyjk0t2obwxDcL 3Ysg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2bo3ZIRpkgMtDXZw1a5kpiUxgyX/cTQzwRRGkFo08XU=; b=M620y3iA0cnoJhaXI1jWlWs96mIkoFvBdgWhEq2EYtk9zpWtmBtnOHiCEn/JsRqIoJ Xe3UOAP6ntrYRaJYNiAXweCnVZQXfgGdFmj3SdInbKPiy/o61I5pccfM4rNvvizOCWGu N9GmjyszQpmBYF9E5WwhyCnbH+dEzsMYsYMCOTpt2VpR2LeEQJ2z2TUDVvo7Us7ExZ7F xyVT0OHiYP0S4fM7cJ6b4gTGoecgLJnvoggsC4bIoTFFrZYw+iJhWcNPmNqkfT5Jr6bf A4NlH4as9Ufxf6s7pdq/M79gEsV3pV3mSYPZPtxZLPeeFMyrFZNv4mg0GyhFuDI7a9MD Pn9A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLop/2tgrtRoW5EYDQ6b7sq+srMQXgFB1iFhNankOxP0uWIm8CDafixR8aGKsjYZg== X-Received: by 10.36.101.74 with SMTP id u71mr13177992itb.92.1465172711514; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ip-64-134-232-31.public.wayport.net. [64.134.232.31]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e65sm5026847ith.11.2016.06.05.17.25.09 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5754C2E0.5090606@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:25:04 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Users Subject: Re: Undeliverable: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 00:25:12 -0000 Could someone please PLEASE unsubscribe user krad@snaffler.net so we stop getting these spams from that server??? 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5754C2E0.5090606@gmail.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <7d120d78-53ab-a9df-9fe6-019d4e14a06d@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:13:24 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5754C2E0.5090606@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 01:13:27 -0000 On 06/05/16 20:25, jd1008 wrote: > Could someone please PLEASE unsubscribe user krad@snaffler.net > so we stop getting these spams from that server??? > And while you're at it, unsub any user at snaffler.net > It is a spamming server. > I am curious. Can you describe how a user subscribed to the above spam server inject the spam into this message list? Don't go into this in detail just from a 50,000 foot level I would just like to know how that happens so I can get my head around that. I get the spam too but it looks like it comes just to me and is not on the mailing list so I don't see how this can happen Oh boy I am in for more spam just by asking this question... I can't wait ;^) Thanks PS Yes it doesn't set well with me either for what that is worth From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 01:37:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38763B6B1D3 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 01:37:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x236.google.com (mail-io0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A8E71DC7 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 01:37:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x236.google.com with SMTP id n127so4723822iof.3 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:37:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OwVEKZGv358kKINwwG/kdNtF7KOxFz8MymcZzkaMajA=; b=sibu6F6qTh+1Td3doryKP5qjFTJvOemiQrAhCRm3MyCwFAa+nSWScoNUD0txTIEr34 htyK8J2CjATfmJcu5VuR0C7ttQMjnFd6CTVc+NwpP4mIEv2vUyGCeN/JSdb+g4H4gznA Mq0KT+YvRP6NUxGFBoMB6OLtGOs5JrCYfUAQN850FmAyzHHRWww8iyH6KMuB8IWzvnYw AHYcCQ+mpAZSIUcucQ++0k+zMyuREuWpUsCUbmnialcneCj6K2ZuVrtdlwuBiQlVpJAC XNy5ufEcW/r7xQD56X/VBY1qFdYcYgHvP2/0+NO0u16RJyxcCMO/CUHrX79n8dpXLHL6 B7IQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OwVEKZGv358kKINwwG/kdNtF7KOxFz8MymcZzkaMajA=; b=QxwCCfbO1ppxFNZcavAoau9KD9E3/xSq/JSPftXuAT9dErvz8qX4LKy9l/CygSpa1x yiG7/wxnmESyf2KtLntiIGOILWSAUERn3R6nwQcdxficJf9Nov6IxWLRbKhwvE/pJWRw w5drJqs1q1AVucjrfq4ObZYxaVAncEg/GN6mCT5J6iZ5/KYkqUsbBD3GZM3C2SiiuNvb G7O2qOBgD7eZYSW8rBu3c5ChubrMMq1bvOJVN78DXDzWF9mX/XfNQkvRyResOUPLZ/GF HpawgUBjr+9sTmCTspn3ogbBKbfbQjgegjlxW9OaKW5w50M+1aoLMK/1nSxYI+tB3UkW 6xbg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJFjYDCDJjGCSuoeFpU7A9p/vJdC+XuwoqZNhFfDVQAp/yb4sKYmPK/Y4nmAbltwg== X-Received: by 10.107.27.18 with SMTP id b18mr18003742iob.163.1465177059305; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ip-64-134-232-31.public.wayport.net. [64.134.232.31]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id o132sm8184064iod.16.2016.06.05.18.37.38 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5754D3E1.5070305@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 19:37:37 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Undeliverable: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? References: <5754C2E0.5090606@gmail.com> <7d120d78-53ab-a9df-9fe6-019d4e14a06d@columbus.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <7d120d78-53ab-a9df-9fe6-019d4e14a06d@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 01:37:40 -0000 On 06/05/2016 07:13 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > On 06/05/16 20:25, jd1008 wrote: >> Could someone please PLEASE unsubscribe user krad@snaffler.net >> so we stop getting these spams from that server??? >> And while you're at it, unsub any user at snaffler.net >> It is a spamming server. >> > > > I am curious. > > Can you describe how a user subscribed to the above spam server inject > the spam into this message list? > Don't go into this in detail just from a 50,000 foot level > I would just like to know how that happens so I can get my head around > that. > > I get the spam too but it looks like it comes just to me and is not on > the mailing list so I don't see how this can happen > > Oh boy I am in for more spam just by asking this question... I can't > wait ;^) > > > Thanks > > PS Yes it doesn't set well with me either for what that is worth The freebsd mailing list server sends our posts and replies to all subscribed users. If the fake user is at the server in question, that server replies to the list with a spam. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 01:40:49 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCD0B6B413 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 01:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.radel.com", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F82B1F18 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 01:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.18.7 (ClamAV engine v0.98.7) Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:6419:2f12:fd07:5768] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.2 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 1067966 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 01:40:40 +0000 Subject: Re: Undeliverable: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5754C2E0.5090606@gmail.com> <7d120d78-53ab-a9df-9fe6-019d4e14a06d@columbus.rr.com> <5754D3E1.5070305@gmail.com> From: Jon Radel Message-ID: <726b9c4d-2f90-a3d8-d9c2-16a2bb3636e6@radel.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:40:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5754D3E1.5070305@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms040300040904040903010803" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 01:40:49 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040300040904040903010803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/5/16 9:37 PM, jd1008 wrote: > If the fake user is at the server in question, that server replies to > the list with a spam. Actually, in this case it appears that the "fake" bounce messages are sent to the sender, not the list. I suspect I'm about to find out. Unless, of course, my spam filters are up to snuff. --=20 --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms040300040904040903010803 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC Cq8wggSvMIIDl6ADAgECAhEA4CPLFRKDU4mtYW56VGdrITANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADBvMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJTRTEUMBIGA1UEChMLQWRkVHJ1c3QgQUIxJjAkBgNVBAsTHUFkZFRydXN0IEV4 dGVybmFsIFRUUCBOZXR3b3JrMSIwIAYDVQQDExlBZGRUcnVzdCBFeHRlcm5hbCBDQSBSb290 MB4XDTE0MTIyMjAwMDAwMFoXDTIwMDUzMDEwNDgzOFowgZsxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkdCMRswGQYD VQQIExJHcmVhdGVyIE1hbmNoZXN0ZXIxEDAOBgNVBAcTB1NhbGZvcmQxGjAYBgNVBAoTEUNP TU9ETyBDQSBMaW1pdGVkMUEwPwYDVQQDEzhDT01PRE8gU0hBLTI1NiBDbGllbnQgQXV0aGVu dGljYXRpb24gYW5kIFNlY3VyZSBFbWFpbCBDQTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCC AQoCggEBAImxDdp6UxlOcFIdvFamBia3uEngludRq/HwWhNJFaO0jBtgvHpRQqd5jKQi3xdh 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References: <5754C2E0.5090606@gmail.com> <7d120d78-53ab-a9df-9fe6-019d4e14a06d@columbus.rr.com> <5754D3E1.5070305@gmail.com> <726b9c4d-2f90-a3d8-d9c2-16a2bb3636e6@radel.com> In-Reply-To: <726b9c4d-2f90-a3d8-d9c2-16a2bb3636e6@radel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 01:50:53 -0000 On 06/05/2016 07:40 PM, Jon Radel wrote: > On 6/5/16 9:37 PM, jd1008 wrote: > >> If the fake user is at the server in question, that server replies to >> the list with a spam. > Actually, in this case it appears that the "fake" bounce messages are > sent to the sender, not the list. > > I suspect I'm about to find out. Unless, of course, my spam filters are > up to snuff. > > Yep! U R correct. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 03:04:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0131AB6A937 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 03:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D137019F3 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 03:04:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 94984CB8CA0; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 22:04:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 76.193.16.11 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 22:04:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <57081.76.193.16.11.1465182258.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <726b9c4d-2f90-a3d8-d9c2-16a2bb3636e6@radel.com> References: <5754C2E0.5090606@gmail.com> <7d120d78-53ab-a9df-9fe6-019d4e14a06d@columbus.rr.com> <5754D3E1.5070305@gmail.com> <726b9c4d-2f90-a3d8-d9c2-16a2bb3636e6@radel.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 22:04:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Undeliverable: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Jon Radel" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 03:04:26 -0000 On Sun, June 5, 2016 8:40 pm, Jon Radel wrote: > On 6/5/16 9:37 PM, jd1008 wrote: > >> If the fake user is at the server in question, that server replies to >> the list with a spam. > > Actually, in this case it appears that the "fake" bounce messages are > sent to the sender, not the list. > > I suspect I'm about to find out. Unless, of course, my spam filters are > up to snuff. >From all what you guys said it sounds like something on this mail list is harvesting poster's e-mail addresses, and then [likely different server] sends each of the posters this sort of spam directly. There is virtually no way to catch the harvester. As far as the server that spam comes from is concerned, all we can do is to block it on the side of our own servers. I will likely to find out more detail, namely the IP that delivered these messages after my post comes through and I receive my personal spam message. Once I get that myself, then I will block them on the side of my servers. It doesn't matter for me whether it is just rogue server, or some brain dead "sysadmin" poorly configured his server, which is just sending so called "backscatter". Either way, the box will be blocked without regret. Sorry about adding to background nose ;-( Valeri PS Some people prevent this sort of abuse by doing the following. They create aliases for each mail list they subscribe to, and then, whatever comes to that alias is being thrown away, except for mail coming through that particular mail list. You should be careful and always post From particular alias... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 03:34:36 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E628B6AF55 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 03:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.radel.com", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06F4A14C6 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 03:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.18.7 (ClamAV engine v0.98.7) Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:6889:402e:4c31:c696] (account jon@radel.com HELO [IPv6:2001:470:880a:4389:6889:402e:4c31:c696]) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.2 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 1068029; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 03:34:32 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-29368F4F-B589-4846-BCED-B57ECC17B290; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? From: Jon Radel X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) In-Reply-To: <20160606022031.GA35165@neutralgood.org> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 23:34:32 -0400 Cc: Baho Utot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <867DA569-6F10-4636-BE60-A3E7A844C7E8@radel.com> References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> <5754641A.8010508@gmail.com> <5fd48d4e-0ca9-681b-83af-da18280f4979@columbus.rr.com> <20160606022031.GA35165@neutralgood.org> To: "Kevin P. Neal" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 03:34:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail-29368F4F-B589-4846-BCED-B57ECC17B290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>=20 >> It does need the suffix .sh because if it is missing I fail to=20 >> function...... the computer does just fine. >=20 > No, if this is the case you are doing something weird. The filename does > not matter, and the extension is just part of that filename. >=20 >=20 Perhaps you should read what he wrote again? He's already agreed that FreeB= SD doesn't need the extension. 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To: Manas Bhatnagar Cc: Baho Utot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 07:01:38 -0000 no its a pkg/port On 5 June 2016 at 19:27, Manas Bhatnagar wrote: > bash isn't installed by default on FreeBSD > > > Original Message > From:baho-utot@columbus.rr.com > Sent:June 5, 2016 12:02 > To:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject:Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? > > On 06/05/16 11:58, Manas Bhatnagar wrote: > >> After the /bin/sh am I into a bourne shell or what? > > Try 'env bash'? > > > > > env: bash: No such file or directory > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 07:29:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06A9B6DD38 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 07:29:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D54B41A43; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 07:29:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id u567TkSJ041176; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 17:29:46 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 17:29:46 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: jd1008 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Undeliverable: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20160606170212.P15883@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 07:29:52 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 626, Issue 8, Message: 21 On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:40:27 -0600 jd1008 > Why am I getting this after I reply to a post? > The list must have a subscriber who is on a spamming server. > If this continues, I believe I may have to unsubscribe to > protect my machine from possible malware. > > > Yo > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Undeliverable: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? > Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:36:55 -0500 > From: Postmaster > To: jd1008@gmail.com [..] > There was a problem delivering your email to: > > > krad@snaffler.net Please DO NOT FORWARD spam and related material to this (or any) list. Then other people will lazily top-post and quote the whole bloody lot again, and again .. as just amply demonstrated. If you have any sort of problem with spam, or this sort of issue - that comes up here repeatedly - the correct thing to do is to forward the mail in question - including absolutely ALL of the mail headers - to postmaster@freebsd.org It is pointless, and annoying, to say "will someone pleae unsubscribe so-and-so from the list." Postmaster is responsible for _scores_ of lists, and certainly hasn't time to read this one. Direct mail to postmaster@, with sufficient detail to actually reveal the problem, usually has good results in my experience. Deleting all the crap, at the bottom of your (digest) message was: > -------------- next part -------------- > An embedded message was scrubbed... > From: jd1008 > Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? > Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:26:28 -0600 > Size: 7858 > URL: If you download that attachment you than have all the headers needed by postmaster@ to see the problem delivery. Hint: the message was actually Delivered-To: chrisscott1066@tiscali.co.uk Received: from cm12gb1 (10.101.251.12) by mail.svcgb1.int.opaltelecom.net (8.6.141.03) id 574E52E2004546F2 for chris_scott@ukgateway.net; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 19:26:59 +0100 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org ([8.8.178.116]) by mx.talktalk.net with SMTP id 9clFbbvm5kpdi9clGbuKNn; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 19:26:59 +0100 X-Delivered-To: chris_scott@ukgateway.net Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D77E6CAA2; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:26:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) And as you'll see, went through a very circuitous path, via some very screwy looking servers .. note this one: X-SMTP-MAILFROM: <srs0=hysflox2=r5=freebsd.org=owner-freebsd-questions@tiscali.co.uk> Seems tiscali.co.uk is in the mix; owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org was the original sender, so that one at least is forged. I'll do you the favour of copying this mail to postmaster@freebsd.org but in future please don't spam the list with this sort of stuff, ta! 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 08:02:39 -0000 Hi, We need to install Freebsd-10.3 on production environment, should we go with 'Release' or 'Stable' version ? Thanks in Advance !! Regards. Shahzaib From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 08:04:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A30B6ACD1 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x231.google.com (mail-wm0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 338DA1E93 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id c74so32937822wme.0 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 01:04:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cPON4wq0Ygfpv8TojzvVcBYtMdfDisd+bh0GLXL84/E=; b=KI6Kcz0W/x4sxJB4xqZ8ftf8hyMq9TyVWvkISsv8i6knigSIIHVe2wMRE/6IiQeU7i La/QTrVKYIwmrn6KB8zd75a/MK0FfyMynAOsvzcQzgtFkXT9Cbc7qVqR//IxeaNBL+l8 T1LgmWnovKSaIJvE0DdE92cVbjGl1fQ2CbFjfukKeQnu2KUCnMXrM1pHlE2TJyp9AG7f c0c+kmx01rRFu+LE3iWx4mQUMjPBc0gvhkiCOysur00JutHs8uzMtVLT9UIYIla50CvI P0jeQI2uHsQ4DwSKzQya1vpkqc8WpqU6y/NCCi+VVZPBKoz1Cqedr4SkAC0NPnUOu3U1 AhLA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cPON4wq0Ygfpv8TojzvVcBYtMdfDisd+bh0GLXL84/E=; b=OnREy5G6g2IiuRts9FDZkJ486se4DcYi2vr/27Hfthau+iEvoWYV6pT6Iw+YZbYJYK SQv2Jp8y/jiDkp4kR6/GDYyqmz3utcdC2pVuHIQbh+idd+UBTmIsqx6vldnyQXVmVI7s hzE34z+gwV498kZpi2cobr5Wy5toA1DT1RFNDXyJS6woF93ArnaOlflYZIWDlFrftkNt UT0vDIK2rSPg6qnYc2u4mYDqoJG5g769UoNnpwMACRZr5VZuVE7C9cjsbsxAue7zybZD McYcs0aQMZJhRIU35IIzunHx8U7HDkxmfxeRzCXxCgUuMAk9bjy3UaL5L6hpQn8ebNrO RK2A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJmaZ0tUz2BooJKZ+GV3gw+AMRANqa1oidaUbnszWPjb4v2CDuwKglh5j4s3LZIyGwenbQlBFOFvMXmfQ== X-Received: by 10.194.74.104 with SMTP id s8mr3322837wjv.20.1465200291723; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 01:04:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.6.12 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 01:04:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: krad Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:04:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Release or Stable 10.3 ? To: shahzaib mushtaq Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 08:04:53 -0000 There isn't a 10.3-STABLE just 10-STABLE. Currently 10-STABLE is somewhere ahead of 10.3-RELEASE On 6 June 2016 at 09:02, shahzaib mushtaq wrote: > Hi, > > We need to install Freebsd-10.3 on production environment, should we go > with 'Release' or 'Stable' version ? > > Thanks in Advance !! > > Regards. > Shahzaib > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 08:10:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD1EB6ADEF for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shahzaib.cb@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x230.google.com (mail-lf0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 156111020 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shahzaib.cb@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id b73so89250039lfb.3 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 01:10:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Gm0QDCuM6jz1XwIxe1rFKv9x42d8sesSBar8rJyBuao=; b=PhOv8W0nbkGB3/QRulHPpXHKtvs4dcc36oo3Prsqd+otld3ajzYaMPOTblm3kACQ+5 7eoRva4iTLNAUSldzuWqdEEYs88x2nyLTiu1FFIV9+sfsMocytTGyWCuyh7Jg3oKqiRw lmZzbLoQczcRPbB2SZ+VIKAQV9Ec87xLdAEVzQ//Wq3tAi7kYGf6opo/nH64eSJOc1yd ajYQQHCjUc4QnJSnRMkH/yDmtflPnBo9woei179kp10PtF1RepMK8h+Jbg+ClI23wdgF UVk6sRGXhLGBC6vn83e9oPWMVknuAQYFIoBRdnPjU63USo49eoZZ/qqxOefPfAQBS2aM DijQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Gm0QDCuM6jz1XwIxe1rFKv9x42d8sesSBar8rJyBuao=; b=FVX4eu9vCW4CAZ9kiIK6c1rlnZl7FqF9xxLda95tyhhK9mOobgwzaT5CNIfvRcfTIe vBWkHUgvDFMeCOUhGNr+G/IUTwA+qfiwys9Ocd/rvCRDTdJK6WAHXTIug3fN2si5Z0mr DMQ9lKRdgtqt6g84sI/VwS+DiOs05wcmXA8Dk9IZneyc93AjmMskXZtClsKz5rdzTzQF ZpRYJhsAy/4srvqyv2pEUx5j6OISGtQ8U2jmpP6NrCquNklvhUhktmy3X9Y0qjP/ZAuS qoZ9JBvjoLzpN5dDTVfWDVAQv+n1I6dpUG07TTp0TwxZ5K9NrS8rpI4pg/KcuyAB6tlW sqOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIfcxIYOsmAXbiOrmJ3lyhq/m4YXPwvQkgFDR08LvzaIgi/lMuH0u26zM9JAQ1W0buQ6uUdmwFL/3nZKg== X-Received: by 10.46.0.77 with SMTP id 74mr391932lja.60.1465200630357; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 01:10:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.31.203 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 01:10:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: shahzaib mushtaq Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 13:10:29 +0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Release or Stable 10.3 ? To: krad Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 08:10:32 -0000 Hi, Thanks for quick response. This is what i am talking about : http://prntscr.com/bcwtfj . Could you please let me know which of the latest should i choose for production ? Regards. Shahzaib On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:04 PM, krad wrote: > There isn't a 10.3-STABLE just 10-STABLE. Currently 10-STABLE is somewhere > ahead of 10.3-RELEASE > > > On 6 June 2016 at 09:02, shahzaib mushtaq wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We need to install Freebsd-10.3 on production environment, should we go >> with 'Release' or 'Stable' version ? >> >> Thanks in Advance !! >> >> Regards. >> Shahzaib >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 08:15:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83638B6D037 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:15:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22e.google.com (mail-wm0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B2DB133C for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:15:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id c74so33350931wme.0 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 01:15:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gL8mtITePOD08N6nXDYqAxslauWzlAEVF6rMuI5lMWQ=; b=hnBPTa80Xo9VJeKv+oEUj/q6d6ZD8sHjRxhhfWUylOp7oSCsm9hKVMln5fVoe0KJuV 6AZzLvDTm0vU9M2YE5nWdc/GGadBeT3VoGbm44/eBHMnsJBOIdN9mc2FAOylsYb7rVnW /qgzAabelf7haYqPPYQtIj+WD0RloPTISWIcWoBE+L6Pg2lJwNTJ9LEKwjLtojHQXGQ7 qdlwbDFxylyUGva2m+QXwJYtS/DVMgrfSPGidnWFeby1c17mHJ2o7ioVidqOEgOmYMxT 4nydNehBQoDtw+3Bquc+BSouPpVTpNP1x7fpKgzWiLKZeFrg75S/AwFYSyIauyd1L/Hd +49g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gL8mtITePOD08N6nXDYqAxslauWzlAEVF6rMuI5lMWQ=; b=djShYyQcdY/IqXqYkED97x2KT/l22SN8M6OgPfZM0uIJiRDsbi5U1UikplAcjU/E2J 0KIjLBIYGn1UVcTdGNy7gJYpCGUi6pdJ7h5GP3JYuvhmlOmcJeOsX+vGs2in5M7fNQN3 ufgyLfIwnC6T9nfMZwYhN7RFSlyfCLO5yLK71fAqv221AFU4oo/87dteAj30hWrpxSS0 0AEop90a9JCRpsGbVSec0GYbb+d5nYskkJiNV0yxah0SOeoeausyuwsQgLQAFnpyyD58 z093SFuZ4semrt2FIuDNDWmkqAm879qnfS9fezJ8MYqKoW3o8ITXHRbdh3TOPYRnr08h sROg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLtonvEsxfNmwUn74Rookt7ibBieWgs+acH0od9P2dSuXPIa9/iU9arw8ezbFOSHZDix95ZUYlvumakew== X-Received: by 10.194.115.39 with SMTP id jl7mr16059810wjb.81.1465200911656; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 01:15:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.6.12 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 01:15:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: krad Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:15:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Release or Stable 10.3 ? To: shahzaib mushtaq Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 08:15:13 -0000 10.3 release will be the recommended one i guess, however which you chose is down to you and your requirements really. On 6 June 2016 at 09:10, shahzaib mushtaq wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for quick response. This is what i am talking about : > http://prntscr.com/bcwtfj . > > Could you please let me know which of the latest should i choose for > production ? > > Regards. > Shahzaib > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:04 PM, krad wrote: > >> There isn't a 10.3-STABLE just 10-STABLE. Currently 10-STABLE is >> somewhere ahead of 10.3-RELEASE >> >> >> On 6 June 2016 at 09:02, shahzaib mushtaq wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We need to install Freebsd-10.3 on production environment, should we go >>> with 'Release' or 'Stable' version ? >>> >>> Thanks in Advance !! >>> >>> Regards. >>> Shahzaib >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 08:20:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F412B6D0E9 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shahzaib.cb@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x229.google.com (mail-lf0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 030721531 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shahzaib.cb@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x229.google.com with SMTP id w16so89424682lfd.2 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 01:20:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=oym31F4LK7FCuq758Tmj6JZMHJnBseOmKbzFRqc8j2U=; b=WQQcuML9BPs23LfESekbLZWphYvPK0Pi7XarDGeLF7QjCn10Fp1rj1EbyHNDrKM/KK UwQUI6gfR1/v6/TblbJz87IaoBFCR34YWjd7EQlvClfr1WimqG/1p67/M8gbWokNFUU0 9rJlVeBY/cwEILTMxT8zSvwn+GiuF5i4lueIp/4NhUKds7uTirzwV5vAmQVdnM0cTxGl 7wJDVac7SwSFy25VnCjE5E9pOcl8IbU/HFC0+nGaIKGVDMs321h35udJ+z6VL7U1Blob oZ/5efdUH+2KPrd1jaoW47sOxEvjsUod/vYoiLLUXLBmWCGJq2pyvwHZUy8I2xN+qxyF RoLA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oym31F4LK7FCuq758Tmj6JZMHJnBseOmKbzFRqc8j2U=; b=A76h/o/YJQbtUiWwojnOvmFPygxfBA9CciBIWou4R7ZbVdhUnEK6yZHyUSNXQgALTk SsTrxnHRWoNW1KkeduqppWjLi3+uchurD7DlvI+0SdJ4AxjWKawnkMDryE0XORHudmib jnd6nYsXKSOnJrHsr61DMdp8AuhLzXR0fOxyiLFwE+kPObddJx2wqAJCO72DlnEuYnKk givJIbAiEzFoYxhu4cBYUma6QEOm6Fs2gJf+MnegiGGml2oEJWYF0b1ZgIjynGMsDe/b xTunOVcFBomBR8g4trSjpDBWP/CDgM4rgxw971A2/vxS8Q5AE8+LfZ2rOUnGsuZrVVhD Qgeg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKWzc0SUBzFtKJzPRxq0jocrcWUGDW8xiYF/VlCrYwc/75EtYSNActDkceD4r6ILCCmaE0lQSKil+Fxpg== X-Received: by 10.25.216.36 with SMTP id p36mr1042635lfg.198.1465201230209; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 01:20:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.31.203 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 01:20:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <37be1d48-001d-3720-42a7-465395c87afd@allunix.ru> References: <37be1d48-001d-3720-42a7-465395c87afd@allunix.ru> From: shahzaib mushtaq Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 13:20:29 +0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Release or Stable 10.3 ? To: Admin Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 08:20:32 -0000 Hi, Thanks a lot guys for clear answer as 'stable' word is really confusing when it comes to choose between 'release' and 'stable' :) . Can we go with its minimal installation version e.g bootonly iso with 200+MB size ? Should that good to go instead of download full 2GB iso ? Regards. Shahzaib On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Admin wrote: > RELEASE - is a release of FreeBSD, which you can upgrade with patchsets, > staying inside the 10.3 environment. STABLE branches are a development ed= ge > of major branches, stating that the API is left unchanged and is compatib= le > with minor versions inside a major branch, while CURRENT branch may alrea= dy > be very different. > > So, I'd say not CURRENT nor STABLE branches are intended for production > use, yet they could be used like this ofcourse. You should install > X.Y-RELEASE and then freebsd-update it to latest patchset, in the end > getting X.Y-RELEASE-pZ system, which is the most production-intended > version. > > > > 06.06.2016 14:02, shahzaib mushtaq =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > >> Hi, >> >> We need to install Freebsd-10.3 on production environment, should we go >> with 'Release' or 'Stable' version ? >> >> Thanks in Advance !! >> >> Regards. >> Shahzaib >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 08:33:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF66EB6D429 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:33:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 845E71C8C for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:33:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [89.204.138.192] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1b9py4-0005MN-Sx; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 10:33:05 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (c720-r292778-amd64 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id u568X0L5003794 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:33:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id u568Wwju003781; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:32:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:32:58 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Mario Lobo Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg delete dilema Message-ID: <20160606083258.GA3697@c720-r292778-amd64> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , Mario Lobo , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86inylhd5s.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20160511084754.5b2e9d05@Papi> <20160511115637.GA4375@c720-r292778-amd64> <20160511092601.6032ef9f@Papi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20160511092601.6032ef9f@Papi> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r292778 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.138.192 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 08:33:11 -0000 El día Wednesday, May 11, 2016 a las 09:26:01AM -0300, Mario Lobo escribió: > > I compile all my ~1800 packages on some other host with poudriere and > > install them from time to time from my own repository with: > > > > # pkg delete -a > > # pkg delete -f pkg > > # pkg-static install ... > > > > This works nice, fast and clean. > > > > matthias > > In addition to the procedure above, I did this time before the deletion of all packages: # pkg query '%a %n' | fgrep '0 ' | sed 's/0 //' > what-I-have-installed.txt this gives you in the file what-I-have-installed.txt a list of what you have installed, i.e. without dependency packages; later you just run this list from a script # sh # while read name; do pkg install -y $name done < what-I-have-installed.txt and you have all back again as before; matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 "Die Verkaufsschlager des Buchmarkts geben Auskunft über den Zustand einer Gesellschaft bzw. sind, was diese Zeiten angeht, Gradmesser fortschreitenden Schwachsinns. ..." (jW 19.05.2016) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 08:46:22 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B30CB6D7BE for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:46:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@allunix.ru) Received: from ns1.allunix.ru (mail.allunix.ru [85.118.230.76]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4BB4132C for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:46:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@allunix.ru) Received: from gamer ([10.10.52.20]) by ns1.allunix.ru (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u567ILc9095739; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 14:18:21 +0700 (NOVST) (envelope-from admin@allunix.ru) X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 11.1.2.05311, engine: 11.1.0.05130, virus records: 7242173, updated: 6.06.2016] Subject: Re: Release or Stable 10.3 ? To: shahzaib mushtaq , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Admin Message-ID: <37be1d48-001d-3720-42a7-465395c87afd@allunix.ru> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 14:17:57 +0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 08:46:22 -0000 RELEASE - is a release of FreeBSD, which you can upgrade with patchsets, staying inside the 10.3 environment. STABLE branches are a development edge of major branches, stating that the API is left unchanged and is compatible with minor versions inside a major branch, while CURRENT branch may already be very different. So, I'd say not CURRENT nor STABLE branches are intended for production use, yet they could be used like this ofcourse. You should install X.Y-RELEASE and then freebsd-update it to latest patchset, in the end getting X.Y-RELEASE-pZ system, which is the most production-intended version. 06.06.2016 14:02, shahzaib mushtaq пишет: > Hi, > > We need to install Freebsd-10.3 on production environment, should we go > with 'Release' or 'Stable' version ? > > Thanks in Advance !! > > Regards. > Shahzaib > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 09:08:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995D7B6DF81 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from info@start.com.ge) Received: from s1.start.com.ge (start.com.ge [148.251.31.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 143E4173F for ; 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Neal" References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> <5754641A.8010508@gmail.com> <5fd48d4e-0ca9-681b-83af-da18280f4979@columbus.rr.com> <20160606022031.GA35165@neutralgood.org> <867DA569-6F10-4636-BE60-A3E7A844C7E8@radel.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 05:15:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <867DA569-6F10-4636-BE60-A3E7A844C7E8@radel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 09:15:16 -0000 On 06/05/16 23:34, Jon Radel wrote: >>> It does need the suffix .sh because if it is missing I fail to >>> function...... the computer does just fine. >> No, if this is the case you are doing something weird. The filename does >> not matter, and the extension is just part of that filename. >> >> > Perhaps you should read what he wrote again? He's already agreed that FreeBSD doesn't need the extension. It's more a personal problem--I can only surmise he confuses himself less when he labels his files with hints as to their type. > > :-/ > > --Jon Radel Yep you got it....When I see .sh I know it's a shell script From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 09:27:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24387B6B460 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:27:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04991107 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:27:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:53364] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 07/16-01062-B0245575; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 09:27:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1b9qot-0006yM-Ce; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 05:27:39 -0400 Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? To: "Kevin P. Neal" References: <31b2cfb1-1da8-9262-3f03-d964776c905e@columbus.rr.com> <575453F9.9070508@holgerdanske.com> <4daed7a2-9a0b-15d9-0bb2-31227f8fcddd@columbus.rr.com> <5754641A.8010508@gmail.com> <5fd48d4e-0ca9-681b-83af-da18280f4979@columbus.rr.com> <20160606022031.GA35165@neutralgood.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <5b25bfd2-0410-568e-35c8-a6b5a65ff0ed@columbus.rr.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 05:27:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160606022031.GA35165@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 09:27:41 -0000 On 06/05/16 22:20, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > On Sun, Jun 05, 2016 at 01:49:32PM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: >> On 06/05/16 13:40, Ernie Luzar wrote: >>> Place your script in /usr/local/bin on your development pc and on the >>> new installed os pc. Then just entering the script on the console >>> command line will cause it to execute. BY the way your script doesn't >>> need to be suffixed with .sh to work. >> It does need the suffix .sh because if it is missing I fail to >> function...... the computer does just fine. > No, if this is the case you are doing something weird. The filename does > not matter, and the extension is just part of that filename. > > A shell script should start with the "#!" line (the "shebang" line) as the > very first line, and it should have the executable bits set. It will then > run with the interpreter specified in the initial shebang line. That is, > when run from a command line. And it must be either in your path or have > the path to it specified (like the "./" prefix mentioned earlier in the > thread assuming the script is in the current directory). > > If you run a shell script by giving it as an argument to an invocation of > a shell command then you are bypassing both the shebang line and the > executable bits. This will tend to give surprising results. Don't do that. > Are you saying the following is bad? sh my.fault I always use this layout cat my.fault.sh #!/bin/sh # Do a bunch of stupid things ..... # Then try to figure out what happened .... printf "%s\n" "Run Complete" BTW are you Cowboy Neal? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 09:35:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA96B6B645 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971501770 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:35:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:53371] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 5C/75-28334-AD345575; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 09:35:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1b9qwM-0006ym-Jv for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 05:35:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Undeliverable: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? References: <5754C2E0.5090606@gmail.com> <7d120d78-53ab-a9df-9fe6-019d4e14a06d@columbus.rr.com> <7ba6e4e5-8618-5809-f999-d447e1858fe8@radel.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <7c095020-f8a8-97f8-070a-6c35eda3a87b@columbus.rr.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 05:35:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7ba6e4e5-8618-5809-f999-d447e1858fe8@radel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 09:35:24 -0000 On 06/05/16 21:35, Jon Radel wrote: > On 6/5/16 9:13 PM, Baho Utot wrote: >> On 06/05/16 20:25, jd1008 wrote: >>> Could someone please PLEASE unsubscribe user krad@snaffler.net >>> so we stop getting these spams from that server??? >>> And while you're at it, unsub any user at snaffler.net >>> It is a spamming server. >>> >> >> I am curious. >> >> Can you describe how a user subscribed to the above spam server inject >> the spam into this message list? > They didn't. Why are you under the impression that they did? Because I don't know enough about the problem. That is why I asked the question. >> Don't go into this in detail just from a 50,000 foot level >> I would just like to know how that happens so I can get my head around >> that. >> >> I get the spam too but it looks like it comes just to me and is not on >> the mailing list so I don't see how this can happen > Nasty/non-existent/fake/sock-puppet person subscribes to list. > Naturally the subscribed address gets all messages sent to the list. > After that it is rather simple: > > Look at From: address on a message. > Send nasty stuff to it. > > I see no evidence of, or any claims of, other than yours, that anything > is being sent to the list. I don't claim anything other that not understanding how this happens. But I am beginning to see how it happens. At a high rate of speed ( Yep a whole .25 mph in a 70 mph speed zone). >> Oh boy I am in for more spam just by asking this question... I can't >> wait ;^) >> >> > Of course. > > > > Yea!!!!!!!! beat me with a stick! ;^{) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 12:20:55 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B64B6DC20 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 12:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-f53.google.com (mail-it0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8B7B1A92 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 12:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-f53.google.com with SMTP id z123so40976677itg.0 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 05:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=xuk4f7/m4vBR8/YT8xcYrRzNdZIb/K2xzfHOM/jasv4=; b=JbX144lP4azRHvH9o5nZbna2yiSjpOLttgzkl46xvj1YCQpqFrX6J7zi4AOZHbffy0 MBMgjDB8kUDnbkVmA5plBNC4Q8iGa/cX8J+fzGF/WYlDVwTUTMXXeKck3vK4bY8YDrMS tbLTrpR9rCM6CyqIs+FnZ66ymNwVAQYTQ+rnCJET7G8U7ZhRUNsjqkX4NbVVpL3qECFF pdDVJhwDwqMoIlrl89d8yYxY8ccSf9etKsstS0pC7Kw7IMHmBQzQuB47ATxa5HzvGjKW /juEqwEk9g+YjYK2Qx2T1rsWWoAmT5Y2k3P8qXYHuI1TF8+7o/QXbWLQd3F1/QgkBKh1 8Weg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKksBrspvtPcMdFJde3wD7OIPesgwBxR5cfMGB8yQqpcELKNeCx+fhFp9B2X0sdfw== X-Received: by 10.36.134.3 with SMTP id u3mr15829686itd.23.1465215654320; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 05:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (174-30-204-156.mpls.qwest.net. [174.30.204.156]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m71sm6103702ita.5.2016.06.06.05.20.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jun 2016 05:20:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <37be1d48-001d-3720-42a7-465395c87afd@allunix.ru> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: shahzaib mushtaq Cc: Admin , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Release or Stable 10.3 ? In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 07:20:53 -0500 Message-ID: <86lh2ise3e.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 12:20:55 -0000 shahzaib mushtaq writes: > Hi, > > Thanks a lot guys for clear answer as 'stable' word is really confusing > when it comes to choose between 'release' and 'stable' :) . Can we go with > its minimal installation version e.g bootonly iso with 200+MB size ? Should > that good to go instead of download full 2GB iso ? > > Regards. > Shahzaib The system that is installed will always be the same---a complete FreeBSD installation is about 800Mb in size. The different installation media just provide different installation methods. "Bootonly" downloads the system over the Internet and installs it; the standard images contain the system; the large, 2Gb image contains the system, plus a frozen snapshot of the package repository, so you can install application packages from it if you don't have a reliable Internet connection. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 13:48:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8541B6B835 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 13:48:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from janet.fox@edu-collaboration.org) Received: from mail-oi0-x229.google.com (mail-oi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ABA31531 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 13:48:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from janet.fox@edu-collaboration.org) Received: by mail-oi0-x229.google.com with SMTP id e72so226393531oib.1 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 06:48:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=edu-collaboration-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=gGQ3Gw4a/jyoyynP5NqWgH7DcA0NP29sDBkItV66q2Q=; b=XNUM+hBUEgjLAV8/jIXcSlX9+EIyoKF17XHsYUhVRa6HfIGkBIU06nrD6DAizGgP4q +vbYlG27OZz94gTEI3zZZ1uYVpeCrAaGyUHuKWivizPEioU332KrtceZ24j4gJmj18co fOOCRkNJkl4PhcZV5z/CcfxBFoLYGHZDluS2rBZaI0p3A/Wmd5ZfPgyew9F5GtCoCMVt VDcd13iGxl1C+Sy1prziT00XA/sjK4dMsdQu0ruNH8Estw2ZiriP7DHUJYoF+r0bLGAn UhkKXG5Ap+iaoBfO6NLmTo1v6EvOrBLgPoiaDC43GEzhkv+eno0tniMqiq7D1s9QAKiI WGiA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=gGQ3Gw4a/jyoyynP5NqWgH7DcA0NP29sDBkItV66q2Q=; b=iR5H8u/KMypP/M03hr9NuiqYxgb+4rl7wFd9IRiBFJ8MvjqP1l30Rc5EvV6LjAJ9jd bYQMqsx73rAN9oSnfTCMCR+tSey1h3wsqsqC/y7W6AQo3g48uN9dChsD5WzsHRKEr4aB 4NZkhYDmT/ee2fOhUHvSxCJ1eaw2eSG1S+zWdX22u2ccVRBMRSFLdwtePlyWIbdUrTHT askLJPzlpiTrLJkC48fIiznxzlkMEkAIWEJFYCXB9n0HXB/QFTBF4acyVhZxMKNO1bxq XTUp17kSQ9S4feKOKs178x69onvimtUFa8MCcid3QV98eykJkFBUm0vpvfXl9e0We/0l FM7A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIyBP0s/g/6VvALaddH0RibzgD5B84ifjMNrXDRBWCipDBdmagKQlf2X6VSVPqWnygk4OXbKNiugWAftA== X-Received: by 10.157.16.10 with SMTP id h10mr1038981ote.91.1465220883782; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 06:48:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.37.136 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 06:47:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Janet Fox Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 15:47:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: External links aren't working To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 13:48:04 -0000 Hi, I'm having slight difficulties with your webpage =E2=80=94 some of the exte= rnal links are returning 404 error. I saved the list of them =E2=80=94 should I = send them to you or there's another person who helps manage the website? Hope that helps. --=20 Kind regards, Janet From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 14:40:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AD3B6D784 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 14:40:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andipersti@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBF2818EE for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 14:40:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andipersti@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id m124so75362359wme.1 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 07:40:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oWloMs8TzSX+CDYEOH33O1qLsQM8G/Diw3OyfS0TFCo=; b=qhtDVvmB+lx9WLVr+Xz+d5+UN1r1bS970ENXIh8csQlB3cbYkFzzjhsnfwhxEKeY1z Kw8Jp9tAfmVmupHXELKh1Loev+iQDcMm0DgkT93YRhaaNCxK/1Hq0cxsjmRvWmDi6q3Q g355/a/of+mSjhNa195Mnihh6xLhFoglB6ncB1B5Fg4mBWBPpHDpgo6JHe6oWncKzubB 17PuOm+U3tNKNgTO+oE5XWF1hG/Q+3xsKYvZlcexMQOHfjG0gDQTrcoLvZx5O2dQ+1Rp roi7MUYayWar5mflH71qK3ReF+DofFvZ5FDORnxPUQ8Zvp4MCRTmEy5X1KSe3OEen6GP o0tg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oWloMs8TzSX+CDYEOH33O1qLsQM8G/Diw3OyfS0TFCo=; b=YHTjrF/7BeyYXTgmSPFH88P4mSHGxUbEle5TFB2EVjS49nY76k3d863Rnv/7P9Jgnw 39191MhY96SJwdX3oe5KM09jogEYLcBlP2BPVozWn1r4cUO/NufIeq+k+TmX5MvEc8PV Ox+S5/5kFiQFyTfOL3MjvDAokR3PQHmooB8Eacj2F2XRf3dssq9RDJ7jgQ6Qk2ytxeDX UEEH4lI1JVuiykXH05kUOTagTX/rVFBJ0PEtkr3q5Tm7qm8FepUsQQSXjMe5s15mc1U8 fK4XDVBY54XgoMeG5qW3jLXAbTg7C3Ig6JoCquDvC6qVwTTaL9+CYowjwzq5wiLntUTw qLGA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIEXAuM4cvV1zNl5LWsjsladc9/TGX2AX55V659KqiA3UTzzJ24PnVikrMtSH8S3A== X-Received: by 10.28.186.132 with SMTP id k126mr12522522wmf.103.1465224026318; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 07:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.25] (91-119-137-115.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at. [91.119.137.115]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id ju6sm20604539wjb.14.2016.06.06.07.40.25 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Jun 2016 07:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: External links aren't working To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Andreas Perstinger Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 16:40:25 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 14:40:28 -0000 On 2016-06-06 15:47, Janet Fox wrote: > I'm having slight difficulties with your webpage — some of the external > links are returning 404 error. I saved the list of them — should I send > them to you or there's another person who helps manage the website? I'd suggest to submit a bug report: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Documentation If you don't want to create an account, I think you should send the list to freebsd-doc@freebsd.org which is the mailing list for the FreeBSD Documentation Project (which includes the webpage). 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[184.56.210.236]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e7sm9320008iof.12.2016.06.06.07.46.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Jun 2016 07:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57558CE8.3020008@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 10:47:04 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Levente CC: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: stop ipfilter References: <20160605134825.30e1d3d9@jive> <57546C60.7020301@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 14:47:01 -0000 ipfilter has 2 parts, ipmon which runs in userland that is seen in the output of ps ax command. It can be stopped and started with the service command. The ipfilter firewall runs as part of the kernel. To stop the ipfilter kernel part, you have to remove the enable statement from rc.conf and reboot. Now on occasion I some times want to nullify all my custom rule processing just for debugging some application. In that case I add these rules before all other rules in the rule set. pass in quick on xl0 all pass out quick on xl0 all This causes all traffic to bypass all the rules followings them, in effect stopping your custom rule set from processing and allowing all traffic to pass through the firewall in both directions un-touched. Thats as close to stopping ipfilter as you can get with out removing the rc.conf enable statement and rebooting. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 14:56:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3CDB6DEE2 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 14:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71191696; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 14:56:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 9CD93CB8CA7; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:56:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:56:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <28332.128.135.52.6.1465224981.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:56:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Fwd: Undeliverable: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Ian Smith" Cc: "jd1008" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: <20160606170212.P15883@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20160606170212.P15883@sola.nimnet.asn.au> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 14:56:23 -0000 On Mon, June 6, 2016 2:29 am, Ian Smith wrote: > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 626, Issue 8, Message: 21 > On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:40:27 -0600 jd1008 > > > Why am I getting this after I reply to a post? > > The list must have a subscriber who is on a spamming server. > > If this continues, I believe I may have to unsubscribe to > > protect my machine from possible malware. > > > > > > Yo > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: Undeliverable: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:36:55 -0500 > > From: Postmaster > > To: jd1008@gmail.com > [..] > > There was a problem delivering your email to: > > > > > > krad@snaffler.net > > Please DO NOT FORWARD spam and related material to this (or any) list. > Ian, I fully agree with you: people, do not amplify spam by forwarding the who thing to everybody. Here is just a piece of information that I can vouch for to be true about my copy of this spam. These are relevant lines added by _my_ server (which I trust) about the host that delivered it (name and IP of my server are obliterated purposefully): Received: from mx09.bounceio.net (mx09.bounceio.net [192.237.151.9]) by XXXX.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F4DCB8C82 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 22:04:56 -0500 (CDT) Now, the rest of the header as well as the content of what that machine sent me is not to be trusted (at least until one contacts that server admin and decides to trust him/her/them). The domain it came from has nothing to do with the recipient of undelivered message, therefore this server that delivered message to me either rogue server, or is poorly configured and is a source of backscatter (or trusts different server that is being source of backscatter). In any case it will be blocked on my servers. This server, however, is a part of group of the same setup, and I prefer to block the whole group. To get details I just use whois: $ whois 192.237.151.9 ... BounceIO RACKS-8-1375277654480348 (NET-192-237-151-8-1) 192.237.151.8 - 192.237.151.15 ... (now I have the whole range of IPs I will block). Is it reasonable to find out whether krad@snaffler.net is subscribed to mail list? No, in my opinion. He may be just an innocent victim, or his domain (snaffler.net) may be a victim of provider with poor configuration. Either way, the above list of IP addresses are the culprit for me. Nice way would be to attempt to contact their sysadmin (by sending e-mail to the postmaster postmaster@snaffler-net.bounceio.net, - address bounce message claimed to be sent from, and yes, it seems to be existing in DNS). > Then other people will lazily top-post and quote the whole bloody lot again, and again .. as just amply demonstrated. > > If you have any sort of problem with spam, or this sort of issue - that comes up here repeatedly - the correct thing to do is to forward the mail in question - including absolutely ALL of the mail headers - to postmaster@freebsd.org > > It is pointless, and annoying, to say "will someone pleae unsubscribe so-and-so from the list." Postmaster is responsible for _scores_ of lists, and certainly hasn't time to read this one. Direct mail to postmaster@, with sufficient detail to actually reveal the problem, usually has good results in my experience. > > Deleting all the crap, at the bottom of your (digest) message was: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An embedded message was scrubbed... > > From: jd1008 > > Subject: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? > > Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:26:28 -0600 > > Size: 7858 > > URL: > > > If you download that attachment you than have all the headers needed by postmaster@ to see the problem delivery. Hint: the message was actually > > Delivered-To: chrisscott1066@tiscali.co.uk > Received: from cm12gb1 (10.101.251.12) by > mail.svcgb1.int.opaltelecom.net > (8.6.141.03) id 574E52E2004546F2 for chris_scott@ukgateway.net; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 19:26:59 +0100 > Received: from mx2.freebsd.org ([8.8.178.116]) by mx.talktalk.net with SMTP > id 9clFbbvm5kpdi9clGbuKNn; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 19:26:59 +0100 > X-Delivered-To: chris_scott@ukgateway.net > Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) > (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) > (No client certificate requested) > by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D77E6CAA2; > Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:26:56 +0000 (UTC) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) > > And as you'll see, went through a very circuitous path, via some very screwy looking servers .. note this one: > > X-SMTP-MAILFROM: > <srs0=hysflox2=r5=freebsd.org=owner-freebsd-questions@tiscali.co.uk> > > Seems tiscali.co.uk is in the mix; owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org was the original sender, so that one at least is forged. > > I'll do you the favour of copying this mail to postmaster@freebsd.org but in future please don't spam the list with this sort of stuff, ta! > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 6 17:17:59 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCA5B6DA29 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 17:17:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22e.google.com (mail-it0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73898119D for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 17:17:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id z189so48570457itg.0 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 10:17:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LF0KG065cHe6Dl74kuGOygi6DyVkWfM9xVUMDHeuZF0=; b=fOWLVascshWHw4O8qhREXgOSBhT6B8vaBqFKhyqwXGlNL4H6iViY4rSa5UpoDmpZAq x66D6HG5hSQ/GzQsQJSr4zl3tggwCTKNW/YChMjQ6wcQ8FlV7IvdbrnnmMe0riUnQwly DR59h+3RghzfHSES+sS3SuOazlvvgy+7zYNloToeHFpqNyCVPf07CHDNq9MMQ14i3JV2 z4EuBlfVp/UuaTTJ1lcCPJYlgYos9qwG9NAhhCnjY3J88tPBKp/RRoj2DGh3mM6sE0Sk DcN6CrinpSSZMkXGjMXPnCrKcSgX+1Z2BDJH3qDuzYE/RIHD68cKjsOMOh7oia5KI6Dl XbGg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LF0KG065cHe6Dl74kuGOygi6DyVkWfM9xVUMDHeuZF0=; b=TL1jNpvtIGf7aMMaavi5Pz3XwJOT58Nl2WYD8xSTjgR7PnJzW5NKgUV4cQp5GuVMiD DxGjjnn088unwkiu9gP/ZO1YexbROy3a8PYoXqlC3BHL47zqJPYApVLFob7DyOjsQEFt kM03Qe3cu+FA/kS6fUjLFe5maDgiKuNtHjlwOgt+2Ug11H5L1MKcrttEHii1y5HY5doQ JgEdO1H7UM7Uif59ORKnLjQfSCb7Br1RMDBIyqnJxGrDwx5i0BtXxHWu/ZlyOOSxKGMh 2Dntfws0oCAPSG9vuVt67YiRxbHGANANSVAvM5dI+bLLR6FuC5Bzk0kQIwNCskXdg4uM hTEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJAz1RPUjLK1ns5Mk/tn1ULRX+CnRG+K12zt6QrS+bgjH6e9oo0CzwAuyCdxENCkA== X-Received: by 10.36.90.73 with SMTP id v70mr18339449ita.10.1465233478687; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 10:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id v36sm5124343iov.35.2016.06.06.10.17.56 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Jun 2016 10:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5755B043.9090303@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 11:17:55 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Undeliverable: Re: sh[it] and What am I missing here? References: <5754C2E0.5090606@gmail.com> <7d120d78-53ab-a9df-9fe6-019d4e14a06d@columbus.rr.com> <5754D3E1.5070305@gmail.com> <726b9c4d-2f90-a3d8-d9c2-16a2bb3636e6@radel.com> <57081.76.193.16.11.1465182258.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <57081.76.193.16.11.1465182258.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 17:17:59 -0000 The harvester IS the very domain from which the spam is bouncing at us. If someone would please unsubscribe the user whose email is at that domain, we can all move on from this. On 06/05/2016 09:04 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Sun, June 5, 2016 8:40 pm, Jon Radel wrote: >> On 6/5/16 9:37 PM, jd1008 wrote: >> >>> If the fake user is at the server in question, that server replies to >>> the list with a spam. >> Actually, in this case it appears that the "fake" bounce messages are >> sent to the sender, not the list. >> >> I suspect I'm about to find out. Unless, of course, my spam filters are >> up to snuff. > >From all what you guys said it sounds like something on this mail list is > harvesting poster's e-mail addresses, and then [likely different server] > sends each of the posters this sort of spam directly. There is virtually > no way to catch the harvester. As far as the server that spam comes from > is concerned, all we can do is to block it on the side of our own servers. > I will likely to find out more detail, namely the IP that delivered these > messages after my post comes through and I receive my personal spam > message. Once I get that myself, then I will block them on the side of my > servers. It doesn't matter for me whether it is just rogue server, or some > brain dead "sysadmin" poorly configured his server, which is just sending > so called "backscatter". Either way, the box will be blocked without > regret. > > Sorry about adding to background nose ;-( > > Valeri > > PS Some people prevent this sort of abuse by doing the following. They > create aliases for each mail list they subscribe to, and then, whatever > comes to that alias is being thrown away, except for mail coming through > that particular mail list. You should be careful and always post From > particular alias... > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 7 12:04:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A65B6E840 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 12:04:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murk.fletcher@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x231.google.com (mail-wm0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E7E51BD0 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 12:04:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murk.fletcher@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id k204so65971895wmk.0 for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 05:04:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Fk3sXtD+Kk/kxfut1FNU/AfoZlDdBlP4grZUWVSxQ9g=; b=aZQvn2bPZb8FzIPbMn4a50Vy5DJFNyI/tA8O6NDU4tmNWU1OS11neKx4IqdiK5YWCT 6BzniWxHZskeTTZYR2FFZtgWXId8ajs8+dsvicM74KpHSkNq+EqZYVE06eM2tIcqGgXQ d88+7fU/R9CJajwMioy5t+LKFkiK7u/bYokJIpa62jWS3u9pCID11JtiBLRhwgDFmAXb 4Y8fWMPBPn0M5P6s6MHcPvXhKstRk368QIgDJV4D4n01w8a9LZXg9Mlqh7NN3qH+6dF6 gEqZcvBLIEPHmM+b8bkcKjLhwLVRVNZ/ijnL0XeY3LAIanx1rMzFx4CpJ/FX9DCuti1F 5FEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Fk3sXtD+Kk/kxfut1FNU/AfoZlDdBlP4grZUWVSxQ9g=; b=gwILfVs7dsWRGAZ675+5r66Kt4uMhQLygiDvkqmiTqkzLvgAoZW4zTvLin1ApPYS9w OkTeRVezRiVdDHr3G3zfcpmoFHcXwFeTEQbDaacaFFhnzISbJlP/OBTHHNE4rOln5+Pr QXpCGo66Why1AKEIOcSs8kS9CZLDVZIY/keQm3j/Pw+hN3r87ucJRlOBFpoWchp5PNoj 2rJ1/mCWG4Xy+PaMplj6JUCllZdQOYnLrM1jBh9XJWc+l19vssKFtpmeeAJ2MeCS2lzt 93zBbSkaeS8yfXT0B3Z1plUH3mGHmK7cZqbSA3xnICRHUWWVDOD1/4xwGyaRlfVVucRs QtGw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKjYc4uh8iQ9QXAOOvrsQ1oluODQqL405OXOccO6JL1qNaO5l5wWiH7Qhz+RvIpi6p6qNwbTXYPAoq0AQ== X-Received: by 10.194.94.39 with SMTP id cz7mr20394633wjb.135.1465301067830; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 05:04:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.112.36 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 05:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Murk Fletcher Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:04:27 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: rc scripting trouble with quotes To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 12:04:30 -0000 Hi! How do I access a variable inside quotes? Right now I'm having some difficulties: stop_cmd="cd ${myapp} && \ ${myapp} stop && \ kill -9 `cat ${myapp}/tmp/pids/example.pid`" Returns: cat: ${myapp}/tmp/pids/example.pid: No such file or directory I hear it would work better with double quotes, but that would add a double-double quote at the end: stop_cmd="cd ${myapp} && \ ${myapp} stop && \ kill -9 "$(cat -- ${myapp}/tmp/pids/example.pid)"" Is there a way I could wrap the contents of `stop_cmd` inside a function or something? Thanks! --Murk https://freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/rc-scripting/rcng-dummy.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 7 13:38:55 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA183B6E65A for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 13:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 727CF1ACC for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 13:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [38.64.177.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8039910F71 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 13:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/8039910F71; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: pkg delete dilema To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86inylhd5s.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20160511084754.5b2e9d05@Papi> <20160511115637.GA4375@c720-r292778-amd64> <20160511092601.6032ef9f@Papi> <20160606083258.GA3697@c720-r292778-amd64> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 09:38:37 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160606083258.GA3697@c720-r292778-amd64> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hKfdD0A5S1l7J44msiWVWok8SBBCG0QLl" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.1 at smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 13:38:55 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --hKfdD0A5S1l7J44msiWVWok8SBBCG0QLl Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="4jEefKSETpQKxoX2Jg2j5X01aCJ4sGjmP" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: pkg delete dilema References: <86inylhd5s.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20160511084754.5b2e9d05@Papi> <20160511115637.GA4375@c720-r292778-amd64> <20160511092601.6032ef9f@Papi> <20160606083258.GA3697@c720-r292778-amd64> In-Reply-To: <20160606083258.GA3697@c720-r292778-amd64> --4jEefKSETpQKxoX2Jg2j5X01aCJ4sGjmP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/06/2016 04:32, Matthias Apitz wrote: > # pkg query '%a %n' | fgrep '0 ' | sed 's/0 //' > what-I-have-installed= =2Etxt This is more usually spelled as: # pkg query -e '%a =3D=3D 0' %n > what-I-have-installed.txt Cheers, Matthew --4jEefKSETpQKxoX2Jg2j5X01aCJ4sGjmP-- --hKfdD0A5S1l7J44msiWVWok8SBBCG0QLl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJXVs5jXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATmuAP/jCkZQhjbGYb0PVbuVhtYW1C AjLKohiSHm1htokCEPnR/lQnex21QtLF4kGrazFDGMJQAfLcI+wKSkIB2yfhOD+x jKJzhMu5jA1vjj5og+S+08GAg93EttVy52WhN05j1Hg5MKfSVmNSFfaTttM84TP/ Z4mMDi7IqOGVWhxxwVEBOd5oLMV4whgVQEjpTxL2IvxC8CoaMpbjlaAXS4X7nwNM 8rLRmciMH+pOS9jgbdKpNCkLmCVych312I2D5JtvyPktL+X0D6PE01jlyU9mjHZC 8RMPEhBr9tJTmB65r7Fe0idYDx0C2YZ0/GNy5M7jajIDuG1a/fVEOvt3ShHKzsAq 3bFz3lTodEfP4AF/kQQAgIfePxInRRF1JRzI4GbUkxvbZ9PpuFCSR4ACqAPx6qWJ 54f/iLJwFM5vSilAx9shbfXBTyu/jVpjUlLq56rO6YrFkvWE+kOqCD/oT6djPQGQ Ll6ybMZngm0NyDrTXbI63+2seszWBS7sWF6qvNN+5qfmvOHso9ebf0LyqJYql5Mg DNt8VBoX3pq9qlka5I8Z2ZAJQUd/oPzNzM41rI2DwfKnfTbCYJpIJEUIrZLj1Nj/ yCzcxybnHbx1Vb9AnnkiOqTJz0mtJ/457O4tXDbaxEUaz1DD7bDwbuTqL9iU8Eqr QYw+VI9KiInGUyskj4dx =GcA4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hKfdD0A5S1l7J44msiWVWok8SBBCG0QLl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 7 13:42:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB565B6E878 for ; 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <2fd670fa-1357-1c71-c180-74d66748e0bf@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 09:42:33 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OM5LMlIsLs9Oj5oJdgnglA2W3DpSvTp4T" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.1 at smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 13:42:40 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --OM5LMlIsLs9Oj5oJdgnglA2W3DpSvTp4T Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="OCVINR1Hv8iHRRuP5n3tsBtiuEofl2l0g" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <2fd670fa-1357-1c71-c180-74d66748e0bf@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Release or Stable 10.3 ? References: In-Reply-To: --OCVINR1Hv8iHRRuP5n3tsBtiuEofl2l0g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/06/2016 04:10, shahzaib mushtaq wrote: > Could you please let me know which of the latest should i choose for > production ? The rule of thumb is this: Unless you have a specific reason to choose a different version, always go for the latest available release, and don't forget to add any security or errata patches. Right now, that'll come out as 10.3-RELEASE-p5. 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Right now I'm having some > difficulties: > > stop_cmd="cd ${myapp} && \ > ${myapp} stop && \ > kill -9 `cat ${myapp}/tmp/pids/example.pid`" > > Returns: > > cat: ${myapp}/tmp/pids/example.pid: No such file or directory > > I hear it would work better with double quotes, but that would add a > double-double quote at the end: > > stop_cmd="cd ${myapp} && \ > ${myapp} stop && \ > kill -9 "$(cat -- ${myapp}/tmp/pids/example.pid)"" > > Is there a way I could wrap the contents of `stop_cmd` inside a function > or something? > > Thanks! > > --Murk > > https://freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/rc-scripting/rcng-dummy.html > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 7 17:20:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8200EB6E179 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 17:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x231.google.com (mail-wm0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B0CD1629 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 17:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id v199so29354206wmv.0 for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 10:20:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6ZtMDFiuTKWRT2RMXaV0bP4FVjTdwNawVEzTnNUlaQ8=; b=LLdPM1mBYv+pyQ3sRsByaecEYe64Evfk/LIcQVOfxj95w/jQjKXxNDUWwF+81a6Lei UHydrchLIEeTc/TWAAz/UsOu/em9pbDa9esxDCU1osBtyE0etq168LpFxdtAAXx3LvNP OnpjZVCyfS+EIeV/axMUO7xGrww6EWqCZsnVqZE4tqoTdn3ChsAPVVsGxyUGpsGD2r6X jy/Oo5Z/78e6WsXMe1k9uuKWadD4KpkqwWlgFJAPMGKUte46PRmNVDLc0THT0EE6YIMB JVDWnsyX+PmoEKnxzSy1okobCM6FzrVIJyELYx6wVoCTO9Lwy5iWrfSk8wUrCCjrKGHM IQvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6ZtMDFiuTKWRT2RMXaV0bP4FVjTdwNawVEzTnNUlaQ8=; b=hmfkzqR6YZtCna3z/TF6obgNWYMBAB/Z5durGPAgPAegIHAUF3HT9YkY75fxKj+pBq rqvRdxnxOd05Aok6HEuIJzXLdwsg4wqPnFckVtNMRHCibAUfR8Bx9zUUW6m/hQwf5/3N V9hG7TWKcmeqxaI+7Fo2NZLDXt3TmlI0WMcI4V001H0SDc7CRVik1jpXWf6+UawG0AvV Tpc6ju0B0ptouAyGuwnZTLy0hkIdhSMano2C0qIL0g4pf2rDzjthR/Py1/rGjIwKNA2I dJOy8tc0PGbnvlwzbNdsFY+Hqrnw5dUUW+XW2LuD8PRKOgaJzfw4d4Mr34FRoJIWK7xV 4OIw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIPlBMsui///DHcEfV9+o7tbU2WCr9zJTwUw/RctxCKfCbFnNA/zDQh3LErAO9wHA== X-Received: by 10.194.114.72 with SMTP id je8mr466906wjb.88.1465320003669; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 10:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.171.97.157]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q194sm20452245wme.18.2016.06.07.10.20.02 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Jun 2016 10:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 18:20:01 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rc scripting trouble with quotes Message-ID: <20160607182001.18ba905b@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 17:20:05 -0000 On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:04:27 +0200 Murk Fletcher wrote: > Hi! > > How do I access a variable inside quotes? Right now I'm having some > difficulties: > > stop_cmd="cd ${myapp} && \ > ${myapp} stop && \ > kill -9 `cat ${myapp}/tmp/pids/example.pid`" Are you sure you really need to do this? Stopping daemons is a basic part of what rc.subr does. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 7 18:15:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955C8B6EFCA for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 18:15:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E87E11DC for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 18:15:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-156-20.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.156.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C8A324C56; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 20:06:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u57I65hw003043; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 20:06:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 20:06:05 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Murk Fletcher Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: rc scripting trouble with quotes Message-Id: <20160607200605.6761fc0e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 18:15:05 -0000 On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:04:27 +0200, Murk Fletcher wrote: > Hi! > > How do I access a variable inside quotes? Right now I'm having some > difficulties: > > stop_cmd="cd ${myapp} && \ > ${myapp} stop && \ > kill -9 `cat ${myapp}/tmp/pids/example.pid`" > > Returns: > > cat: ${myapp}/tmp/pids/example.pid: No such file or directory Have you checked the actual value of that expression? For testing, insert something like echo ${myapp}/tmp/pids/example.pid to see if you _really_ get the file name you're expecting. > I hear it would work better with double quotes, [...] There is no "work better" here: If you use double quotes, variables will be expanded; if you use single quotes, they will not. Double quotes are usually needed when a path contains spaces (because the space character is the argument separator, while it also is a valid character for file names). > [...] but that would add a > double-double quote at the end: > > stop_cmd="cd ${myapp} && \ > ${myapp} stop && \ > kill -9 "$(cat -- ${myapp}/tmp/pids/example.pid)"" You could use qupting, \", but that probably won't work as intended. You need to use quotes because the value you assign to $stop_cmd contains spaces. You could use quoted spaces, \ , to get rid of them, but that makes the whole thing nearly unreadable and will probably introduce more problems. :-) > Is there a way I could wrap the contents of `stop_cmd` inside a function or > something? Basically, your initial assignment looks correct, there surely is a different problem (maybe with the evaluation of ${myapp}. As it as already been mentioned, /etc/rc.subr should do what's needed to stop a program, maybe you don't even need to do this manually. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 08:15:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E07B6F96E for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 08:15:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ciprian.craciun@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x229.google.com (mail-vk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A84981FD4 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 08:15:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ciprian.craciun@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x229.google.com with SMTP id g67so982870vkb.3 for ; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 01:15:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vgZLF0Grmrp8Z50SxNlkURcDLQO24VcsJyn1WaXqlFU=; b=vVCeCpxg54hOQU0Ef/UgtP9s7NswnNBiYi/+sJiOarMTfj3EJVAixmsYQ1RqlxtLho SpAL6uCxRmims+VTUd3K7KIiop4oYsrhNH8uNCqvdVCGRo4wVZbxVmYJ4ziJYL2NgkG9 51c9Pl9NtVnoYp2yRxrmDNfhglYzT6d06RlSSiqlrPb/gS4fwPoibsdCXUm2ZkQYzlEt 8rfgDwsvrJJ9HNvmQfr2ZtREHmig7vCr0a2eiXeOGQlLOE0Cy6zcbHH8XATetqNdK6Zq IdMj5EE/jM6hNHL+lZHseWPhdca5GU5USqloTKYq9fGW3jccqpwcsCidRUUUgq/EcLvc BiMA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vgZLF0Grmrp8Z50SxNlkURcDLQO24VcsJyn1WaXqlFU=; b=TIQrEpjklA5lR9RAZIBPblDxnnQd0sYg2lWzX0QejGbA78mYA3xN5lMB530cOAuUpn GNLecBkD4IQXJNyDCRaMCNU9LKFBk3h8Sc+ZfFoCmI5XpwekDcxrY0nu2Vq79c53SOAN Qt+O4I5/p3QO/VlnAllX4F/4CoMTSLHc+5S93OPQtql4B0CYZQ5qNZAbbxPOaSJdXqW4 SuhUnmJP0HGZG1x6e0Hx+39J57b18nKCeRMjCCUzJUhlBSwxpV7XPeQomfzOaJrLLWAV fMRp+QwsoJhxXU4WUp7aHbZaKDcIiQTUmcTYsHXNaOkqXq9TmaB+JMdTtr8/IH+BirES DFNQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLcv0L558gjgwVCNtcP74JC77V2KeXJfGsAONSJVuL5fSgLHbX8DVtFaCgtimeyRuvOyprmcGLfZA+tJQ== X-Received: by 10.176.5.68 with SMTP id 62mr1633892uax.45.1465373720478; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 01:15:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.90.212 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 01:14:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ciprian Dorin Craciun Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 11:14:40 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Feedback on UFS2 tuning for large number of small files (~100m) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 08:15:22 -0000 Hello all! (Please keep me in CC as I'm not subscribed on the mailing list. Should I perhaps post this to the `freebsd-fs` mailing list?) I would like your feedback on tuning a UFS2 file-system for the following use-case, which is very similar to a maildir mail server. I tried to look for hints on the internet, but found nothing more in-depth than enabling soft-updates, `noatime`, etc. The main usage of the file-system is: * there are 4 separate files stores, each with about 50 million files, all on the same partition; * all of the 4 file stores have a dispersed layout on two levels (i.e. `XX/YY/ZZ...`, where `ZZ...` is a 64 hexadecimal string); (as a consequence there shouldn't be more than one thousand files per leaf folder;) * all of the files above are around 2-3 KiB; * these files are read-mostly, and they are never deleted; * there is almost no access contention, neither read or write; * there are 4 matching "queue" stores, dispersed on a single level, containing symlinks; * each symlink points to a path roughly 100-200 characters in length; * I wouldn't expect more than a few thousand files for each store; * the symlinks are constantly `rename`-d-in and `rename`-d-out in-and-out of these folders; * these folders are constantly listed, by 4-32 parallel processes (not multi-threaded); * (basically I use stores to emulate a queuing system, and I'm careful that each process tries randomly the leaf folders, thus reducing contention; and also pausing if the queue "seems" empty;) As sidenotes: * the partition is backed by two mirrored disks (which I'm assuming are rotating SCSI disks); * persistence in case of power or system failure (i.e. files getting truncated or missing) is not so critical for my use-case; * however file-system consistency on failure (i.e. getting a correct mounted file-system) is important, thus from what I've read from the `mount` man-page, `async` is not an option; * the system has plenty of RAM (32 GiB), however it is constantly under 100% CPU load by processes on nice level 10; * this system is dedicated to the task at hand, therefore there is no other background contention; The problem that prompted me to ask the community for feedback is that under load (i.e. 100% CPU usage by processes on nice level 10), even listing the file-system seems to stall, ranging from a fraction of second up to a few seconds. The output of `iostat -w 30 -d -C -x -I` under load is (the values are cumulated per 30 seconds, thus not average per second): ~~~~ device r/i w/i kr/i kw/i qlen tsvc_t/i sb/i us ni sy in id ada0 1243893.0 4988740.0 6447101.5 311428382.5 600 812579.1 8698.9 0 0 0 0 100 ada1 1243889.0 4988824.0 6429851.0 311428550.5 520 766389.6 8437.3 device r/i w/i kr/i kw/i qlen tsvc_t/i sb/i us ni sy in id ada0 582.0 12510.0 2328.0 152986.5 383 9463.4 28.9 0 3 1 0 96 ada1 587.0 12465.0 2348.0 152806.5 343 9107.8 28.7 device r/i w/i kr/i kw/i qlen tsvc_t/i sb/i us ni sy in id ada0 792.0 12933.0 3168.0 157643.5 542 11178.8 29.1 0 3 1 0 96 ada1 791.0 12893.0 3164.0 157651.5 544 10591.2 28.5 ~~~~ The file-system is mounted with the following options: ~~~~ ufs rw,noatime ~~~~ The `dumpefs` of the file-system outputs the following: ~~~~ magic 19540119 (UFS2) time Sat Jun 4 05:59:23 2016 superblock location 65536 id [ 56cb7a3f 33fd7a56 ] ncg 2897 size 464257019 blocks 449679279 bsize 32768 shift 15 mask 0xffff8000 fsize 4096 shift 12 mask 0xfffff000 frag 8 shift 3 fsbtodb 3 minfree 8% optim time symlinklen 120 maxbsize 32768 maxbpg 4096 maxcontig 4 contigsumsize 4 nbfree 56167793 ndir 265137 nifree 232205846 nffree 9111 bpg 20035 fpg 160280 ipg 80256 unrefs 0 nindir 4096 inopb 128 maxfilesize 2252349704110079 sbsize 4096 cgsize 32768 csaddr 5056 cssize 49152 sblkno 24 cblkno 32 iblkno 40 dblkno 5056 cgrotor 0 fmod 0 ronly 0 clean 0 metaspace 6408 avgfpdir 64 avgfilesize 16384 flags soft-updates+journal fsmnt /some-path volname swuid 0 providersize 464257019 ~~~~ Thus I would like to ask the community what I can tune (even by re-formatting) to make it more "responsive", and alternatively I am open to another file-system type, perhaps more suited for this use-case. Thanks, Ciprian. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 10:56:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53F7B6FE9B for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 10:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) Received: from nm38-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm38-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.158]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49C9A11B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 10:56:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.es; s=s2048; t=1465383206; bh=25fG+hptC4ceeo2LMsHFA7rgE58i3f14Z19e8fdL9vo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=LE5sh3g7EkK5bTGhPhh3wzmLsmBD8Elh2sSbNpUXAjYv23DeDzBGj9h/R+Vcrt/rI+c2TpY6qvT9oM/b3z8CHag5D96uTUStLPwa7cgDA3TpGOunqA/nKta7uQoLVJoF6Wx1wm/jFprMc7b3muR65zC/RYcdZZGMnWd5UTeAphvxUnAChPJ6BeTgMNZ44kC3mIOGyCL+BzShGuYSJBROs+ppNfanfCizVU99VlKeHMKChNLHOdXHjsHqLwKkE1SR33rQEhsbFe6ephHH9M6qeKxdzNzrVtq/AwJsXYIo85qoeNPIf9xOfL8w+aF7eBXIEVHFKIVTik1JPE3Kg3nLkA== Received: from [212.82.98.61] by nm38.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2016 10:53:26 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.69] by tm14.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2016 10:53:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2016 10:53:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 930712.70007.bm@smtp106.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: vM8PCogVM1lqnADMKz1Mvd6nujWgH0Pkx02ikehvupUweIm VpGBg20kJoWA7vG8roKS13NiXz4GZvOcrLI1ibwxc3ZZHSeiyh3yxp1ZGnYe 5i6rMQc7IJKYPH6m.wfHBIX.mUXb7_RCqiHoq0Y08hAyOP4DJFSSzsf7r30e F3ZN5yvkLOWEYWqCohg0dOHJ0WR3fASuUXhEfCVBxxA9Kff75sV.UC9iUVmo cn8NP9vkUiKfnu.nrDpGBS5xhQAZe7YCM8pdGE.LQkZphPnqZTkhMNDwlwCf .sL2H7mNqguU3d5V_u3JuDVnhAWGM3xCMAohyXYJVv4uPC84iWkwvtb1xM5m B9GMPvAVOxsTML9E6iBRK4TG7rbizjuoRWyLVp4C8EL8Im6d2ftrS5T7Mkf1 cYI6NIk1utr.Ei_EB50ZK_OC0HsbC7HGVhVums.O.bBvCqBvPFlrWuH3eoac H0qirUDByY3fweDESqj3pVb62ikEAQD4bDroU_NrdoXyCiueob6JNHYUXlWJ .e5iX7Icl5Khp.10jPw1SD.gpzzC71jjEuqqcwbl2Vx0q0icOMLs_VIqETZJ Kfw4aOJ4- X-Yahoo-SMTP: mX392iiswBAeJNdO_s.EW62LZDJR Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 12:53:25 +0200 From: Eduardo Morras To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Feedback on UFS2 tuning for large number of small files (~100m) Message-Id: <20160608125325.71fab3fe95b0bc3c6272ea7c@yahoo.es> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 10:56:24 -0000 On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 11:14:40 +0300 Ciprian Dorin Craciun wrote: > Hello all! (Please keep me in CC as I'm not subscribed on the mailing > list. Should I perhaps post this to the `freebsd-fs` mailing list?) > > > I would like your feedback on tuning a UFS2 file-system for the > following use-case, which is very similar to a maildir mail server. I > tried to look for hints on the internet, but found nothing more > in-depth than enabling soft-updates, `noatime`, etc. > You can use tunefs to set: a) average file size and expected number of files per directory, b) check if your filesystem has any ACL flags on (NFS, POSIX, whatever) and disable them if you don't use ACLs, c) if filesystem is full or near full, system switch from faster writes to minimize fragmentation strategy (slower), force the fast access optimization. They requires a umount/mount only no reformating. Newfs can set those values at fs formatting/createing. There are some sysctl you can tweak, again without reformating: vfs.ufs.dirhash_maxmem: maximum allowed dirhash memory usage Defaul value is 6MB. Check first dirhash usage with #sysctl vfs.ufs.dirhash_mem and if it's equal or close to maxmem, grow it (24MB or more, f.ex.) Tuning at ffs level are more tricky and risky, check sysctl vfs.ffs.* --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 11:15:56 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4080EB6F48A for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 11:15:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) Received: from nm38-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm38-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.158]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B06E1BF4 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 11:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.es; s=s2048; t=1465384553; bh=gnuaG50ePAbAoudGwFQ6QJ0YA0mgBe0yiJQv0QwneRE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=efYEDdFbrkj40V27MHdSj9qVbbkCw7qMhUqf58DvAF31uw8Z3jM5wQAB3jqWb53RNxUP+ymLS72qlR+cAoKD8+Qw6fKPiR18GNvOIUUPbJSzBM4z1UNuPdxEqQ0nIxLsDP0/+ZPLd1MMNcycC+iUNMSkD8qN8M2NYsBLcNYM2FwWSiWsFfkbX7Bea0qCETNvmkD+KBBQ3hQgYXVKmZqC1GN200WzpvdqiCBOw6o6sFAnQy1QtXIes68egona1ZqKN4TbE/cjBdKkRlarrLlnhpO+yfoPmS2aKUo/lrplTDG42HO4JqDzengZqNFe19AEF7OZYhbbsXIIpa+SCsheSg== Received: from [212.82.98.52] by nm38.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 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amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 11:15:56 -0000 On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 12:53:25 +0200 Eduardo Morras via freebsd-questions wrote: Forget to say that systat gives better explained statistics than iostat, run: %systat -vmstat [number_seconds_refresh] and the info you need is from "Namei" to the rigth and below (3rd quadrant). --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 12:43:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174B4B6E2AA; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 12:43:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [84.22.110.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB5D10DB; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 12:43:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ABFBE387E10; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:43:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:43:10 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Getting CARP to broadcast on a different interface Message-ID: <20160608124310.GG2050@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Yb+qhiCg54lqZFXW" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 12:43:16 -0000 --Yb+qhiCg54lqZFXW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello, is it possible to configure CARP in such a way that it sends its broadcasts on an interface different from the one that gets the shared IP address assigned? Unfortunately, my provider blocks broadcast and multicast on public interfaces of virtual machines. However, they offer to set up an additional virtual NIC that directly connects multiple virtual machines on which broadcast and multicast are not blocked. So, while I assign a shared IP to the public interface vtnet0, I would like to configure CARP to broadcast on the private interface vtnet1. Is that possible? Or are there alternatives for CARP that support this function? Niklaas --Yb+qhiCg54lqZFXW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXWBLSAAoJEG2fODeJrIU/OawP/1FOLu14sNJWJwON1RQCvL6N 0Em7tdAH/dSa9Bev7m/lPG69IcG2LfRba/pPp1HQqpe6O1bNRRVj/oNF6Cgsv9lt JZAj3N8UsaSYnJx05T4YxBomzki8/gdPrUekyzE1PG8Y85UqZQXdipObRPhlyV/k kbE22NYs3mh4UbIyCO/Fno8NWo7d5KXfL2UJpzhofCv8zV0l4mG4Co6a7FOdwUsw tojVJlRZ3jcSRk9K7cJxdx9Q7v04s2Bj2i61odZCEhrbacwPUqjweghgMHipvXTl 5eEZdaU90drCBN19+StToXGSmpttJzNDGjBk0rCTbzFCNFPv/vcboH8Zhpv24yRp iLbUA7t+iIw8l6ys0+lSmINL16+bPv+sbi3YnvfRGMQkd6KhSzKzITRYg9LGXjKs xzQiG8iw+94K2XLZat7NmbOBIvyKSDqBNJiHqjUBlJ1S0mbDagFXS2NC4LZGy6Hl yza8EYHpcI9H/Rg4SFcNB8AQkD8oZxcd9v3wYEsZ4JADgDu+gGsHznLhx7NPAk+7 VANM5fPavVmJfwzZMAZ4xq56qk2sPNrMeCxk+XfHyYQRSjxt30+OJjf+vCytVzrg hQqAVBL0YzCatDKRCRxd4RnN2pL1CxvYQYBY2hVSrjmkJygUjpT9guBsifGPIP/p gP7Qtz95FKXs4xtlbhNb =Wba3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Yb+qhiCg54lqZFXW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 13:54:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA130B6E298; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 13:54:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37F01174C; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 13:54:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u58DrwkN003789 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Jun 2016 15:53:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id u58DrvPT003786; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 15:53:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 15:53:57 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Getting CARP to broadcast on a different interface In-Reply-To: <20160608124310.GG2050@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Message-ID: References: <20160608124310.GG2050@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, AWL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 13:54:09 -0000 On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:43+0200, Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff wrote: > Hello, > > is it possible to configure CARP in such a way that it sends its > broadcasts on an interface different from the one that gets the shared > IP address assigned? Unfortunately, my provider blocks broadcast and > multicast on public interfaces of virtual machines. > > However, they offer to set up an additional virtual NIC that directly > connects multiple virtual machines on which broadcast and multicast are > not blocked. So, while I assign a shared IP to the public interface > vtnet0, I would like to configure CARP to broadcast on the private > interface vtnet1. > > Is that possible? Or are there alternatives for CARP that support this > function? Although it sounds pretty bad, you could set up CARP on the internal network and use those CARP events to control the main interfaces, e.g. re-adjust their annoncement intervals, or something equally awful. You might end up locked out of your systems unless you can control them remotely using a third set of means, e.g. RDP. Just a quick thought that popped up in my head. -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestl, | Trond Endrestl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 14:16:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB078B6EE7E for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:16:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 341A8146B for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:16:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id u58Dws7j044510; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:58:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: Feedback on UFS2 tuning for large number of small files (~100m) To: Eduardo Morras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160608125325.71fab3fe95b0bc3c6272ea7c@yahoo.es> From: Arthur Chance Cc: ciprian.craciun@gmail.com Message-ID: <67d9d4ae-03c1-f141-92d0-daaa4b168b16@qeng-ho.org> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:58:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160608125325.71fab3fe95b0bc3c6272ea7c@yahoo.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 14:16:08 -0000 On 08/06/2016 11:53, Eduardo Morras via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 11:14:40 +0300 > Ciprian Dorin Craciun wrote: > >> Hello all! (Please keep me in CC as I'm not subscribed on the mailing >> list. Should I perhaps post this to the `freebsd-fs` mailing list?) >> >> >> I would like your feedback on tuning a UFS2 file-system for the >> following use-case, which is very similar to a maildir mail server. I >> tried to look for hints on the internet, but found nothing more >> in-depth than enabling soft-updates, `noatime`, etc. >> > > You can use tunefs to set: > > a) average file size and expected number of files per directory, > b) check if your filesystem has any ACL flags on (NFS, POSIX, whatever) and disable them if you don't use ACLs, > c) if filesystem is full or near full, system switch from faster writes to minimize fragmentation strategy (slower), force the fast access optimization. > > They requires a umount/mount only no reformating. > > Newfs can set those values at fs formatting/createing. > > There are some sysctl you can tweak, again without reformating: > > vfs.ufs.dirhash_maxmem: maximum allowed dirhash memory usage Minor point: this looks like it's dependent on the memory size. On my 32GB machine it's 27.8 MB, on my 4GB machine it's 6.5 MB, and on a 2GB machine it's 3.3 MB. > > Defaul value is 6MB. Check first dirhash usage with > > #sysctl vfs.ufs.dirhash_mem > > and if it's equal or close to maxmem, grow it (24MB or more, f.ex.) > > Tuning at ffs level are more tricky and risky, check sysctl vfs.ffs.* -- Moore's Law of Mad Science: Every eighteen months, the minimum IQ necessary to destroy the world drops by one point. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 14:56:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BA9B6FE32; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:56:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [IPv6:2a02:2770:15:0:21a:4aff:feaa:e902]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B961C33; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:56:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CA14838841C; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 16:56:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 16:56:22 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Getting CARP to broadcast on a different interface Message-ID: <20160608145622.GA8540@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org References: <20160608124310.GG2050@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+QahgC5+KEYLbs62" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 14:56:26 -0000 --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Trond Endrest=F8l [2016-06-08 15:53 +0200] : > Although it sounds pretty bad, you could set up CARP on the internal=20 > network and use those CARP events to control the main interfaces, e.g.=20 > re-adjust their annoncement intervals, or something equally awful. Thanks, Trond. As you said, not that it sounds like a good idea but it's a solution I will think about. What also came up in my head: Can't I re-reroute the CARP packets with pf somehow? 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(Please keep me in CC as I'm not subscribed on the > >> mailing list. Should I perhaps post this to the `freebsd-fs` > >> mailing list?) > > > > vfs.ufs.dirhash_maxmem: maximum allowed dirhash memory usage > > Minor point: this looks like it's dependent on the memory size. On my > 32GB machine it's 27.8 MB, on my 4GB machine it's 6.5 MB, and on a 2GB > machine it's 3.3 MB. Yes, you are right. Don't know when it changed, initially it had 2MB static and thought (wrongly) that it's still static value. My fault. > > Defaul value is 6MB. 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A:1; CAT:NONE; LANG:en; CAT:NONE; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: verio.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: verio.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 Jun 2016 15:15:22.3860 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 281c3918-264a-4db4-ab20-2dafa1dca324 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1PR08MB1821 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 15:30:40 -0000 One of the purposes of the CARP announcements is to announce the location o= f the virtual mac address to the upstream switch fabric. Since CARP uses a= virtual mac that floats between multiple ports, you need to have the CARP = master continually assert that its particular port is the target that shoul= d be used for delivery of packets to the virtual MAC address. Without this= function, switches might still mistakenly deliver their frames to the stan= dby node. The CARP announcements are also helpful in detecting and routing around som= e odd failure scenarios, such as a failure within the upstream fabric, wher= e the master sees link on its port, but can't actually send frames that rea= ch the rest of the network. If the standby can't hear the master's announc= ements any more, it can promote itself to master and hopefully keep your cl= uster online. This would not happen without the announcement feature. I would hope you could explain this to your provider and get them to white-= list CARP announcements because they are defeating important safety feature= s you wish to use. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org] = On Behalf Of Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 7:43 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Getting CARP to broadcast on a different interface Hello, is it possible to configure CARP in such a way that it sends its broadcasts on an interface different from the one that gets the shared IP address assigned? Unfortunately, my provider blocks broadcast and multicast on public interfaces of virtual machines. However, they offer to set up an additional virtual NIC that directly connects multiple virtual machines on which broadcast and multicast are not blocked. So, while I assign a shared IP to the public interface vtnet0, I would like to configure CARP to broadcast on the private interface vtnet1. Is that possible? Or are there alternatives for CARP that support this function? Niklaas ________________________________ This email message is intended for the use of the person to whom it has bee= n sent, and may contain information that is confidential or legally protect= ed. If you are not the intended recipient or have received this message in = error, you are not authorized to copy, distribute, or otherwise use this me= ssage or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by return e-= mail and permanently delete this message and any attachments. makes no warr= anty that this email is error or virus free. Thank you. ________________________________ This email message is intended for the use of the person to whom it has bee= n sent, and may contain information that is confidential or legally protect= ed. 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Thank you. ________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 16:30:38 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367F9B6FB8A; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 16:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [84.22.110.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E79152D; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 16:30:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A04CE38841C; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 18:30:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 18:30:33 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Getting CARP to broadcast on a different interface Message-ID: <20160608163033.GC8540@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rz+pwK2yUstbofK6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7a877e3c-9c77-c104-e47e-94c9d9389656@shrew.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:30:38 -0000 --rz+pwK2yUstbofK6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matthew Grooms [2016-06-08 11:02 -0500] : > Rewriting the multicast destination would be a neat trick, but sadly no.= =20 > You can't rewrite a destination address on egress. Using a route-to rule= =20 > would only modify the destination MAC address. If you were using=20 > OpenBSD, you would switch from multicast to unicast using the syncpeer=20 > option. Unfortunately that's not supported on FreeBSD. >=20 > At one point I wrote a broadcast relay daemon to forward select UDP=20 > broadcast traffic between two networks separated by an IPsec tunnel. It= =20 > had limited utility, but it worked well for what I needed it to do. I=20 > wonder if someone has written a multicast relay daemon that works in a=20 > similar fashion. If so, you could use it to forward CARP traffic to a=20 > peer. Super ugly, but it would probably do the trick in this scenario. Thank you for your explanation. I am far from understanding the underlying mechanisms to really get my head around possible solutions -- your comments helped. And, as you said, maybe there is someone else who came across this problem and has implemented a workaround. David DeSimone [2016-06-08 15:15 +0000] : > One of the purposes of the CARP announcements is to announce the > location of the virtual mac address to the upstream switch fabric. > Since CARP uses a virtual mac that floats between multiple ports, you > need to have the CARP master continually assert that its particular > port is the target that should be used for delivery of packets to the > virtual MAC address. Without this function, switches might still > mistakenly deliver their frames to the standby node. >=20 > The CARP announcements are also helpful in detecting and routing > around some odd failure scenarios, such as a failure within the > upstream fabric, where the master sees link on its port, but can't > actually send frames that reach the rest of the network. If the > standby can't hear the master's announcements any more, it can promote > itself to master and hopefully keep your cluster online. This would > not happen without the announcement feature. >=20 > I would hope you could explain this to your provider and get them to > white-list CARP announcements because they are defeating important > safety features you wish to use. Thank you too, David. I have already contacted my provider about this and they asked me to use keepalived -- which is deprecated in ports... I shall keep them updated about my progress in solving the issue though. Maybe I am lucky and can convince them to white-list the packets at some point. At this stage I am thinking about running CARP on the additional private virtual interface vtnet1 that I got from my provider. As I understood it, nothing is black-listed on these interfaces so CARP packets should go through. Then, I could use devd to assign the public failover IP (that I actually wanted to share with CARP on vtnet0) to the public interface vtnet0. CARP(4) provides an example on how to use carp status change events for additional scripting: --------------------8<-------------------- Processing of carp status change events can be set up by using the fol- lowing devd.conf rule: notify 0 { match "system" "CARP"; match "subsystem" "[0-9]+@[0-9a-z]+"; match "type" "(MASTER|BACKUP)"; action "/root/carpcontrol.sh $subsystem $type"; }; -------------------->8-------------------- Depending von $type, carpcontrol.sh could either ifconfig vtnet0 alias or ifconfig vtnet0 -alias I am not sure whether that works but I'll post my solution if I find one. In the meanwhile, I appreciate any further comment. Niklaas --rz+pwK2yUstbofK6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXWEfsAAoJEG2fODeJrIU/Ap4P/RCuNYYBzRfjA61VHVUY1srs ycSSwi7XfIBndLlg1IKw5qvEr7hxg+TDcvEIfXcffsOZDHI6wLqlMe0JBuqqA0u8 9ddUREf712d68HeCY4R05ij5worNbFYeOvTrE9FaaFEzwP47GRRtn1QLotzy+vww lQnZ9HfekHAUdY8XrflVnFOoISffrtQWfokxu+mp3itZy/73K5eTus69vgZ6WY97 FsgKc9vvs19KnVBtvGQ5KZnksnn5qEgJYxujGt1gtQ7GulB4oi8cijqX2pXBnxLI yfmIDIKOzyW1kPnK3/Er7AwAy6YvhcPYpVhQbKqmHHY0Qg8W7O0RVhrL3poY7pC0 b3Q1EfA2YRbTMwsJPCaMIIVeGQXwph2cqycgah+EpqNx90KpiTk8ijgk9I3rILGr a78768FyqVGOPeJKG3iardCssOdot768Q6ekiLQPOIysJKMu3adrOKqLI6OkVhht NKhrCrmQdFoObEYMHAIWROZIiGTGWQoul14NgLQ5BaMhOlbdVAcxwaokMl3vE2cF LaV9V/PL/lcQCfmJ5+ILq04DjxYTuzY79zsxiu6r1x/jPEjTNgtEILFyRoARlTCU nInOUXEfP076zynfyV+iI0SeAdpwMB93hPsTlUK6AinFjBOWRo0xZdfGRaSpk2+R 3I+JZ8AyQZWnaDawmQNI =MAtn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rz+pwK2yUstbofK6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 17:38:54 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B68B6F6EF for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 17:38:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E4F9110E for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 17:38:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bAhNa-0001s0-NA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 19:34:58 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 19:34:58 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 19:34:58 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: advice for buying a laptop Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:30:05 +0200 Lines: 58 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mozilla-News-Host: news://news.gmane.org:119 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 17:38:54 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hey guy and gals! :-) For most of my life I have lived quite happily without a mobile computer (as in a laptop). I do own an 8" Android tablet which to me is more like a phone than anything else. It's not really good for writing longer text s. The future has it in for me in that I will traveling a fair bit among other things for my sports club. Because I need a computer on these trips I intend to buy a laptop within the next 6 weeks or so. It may be that I am strange, but I actually like the older T-Series by IBM or Lenovo much more than most newer machines. They have great keyboards and the machines themselves are hard to break. They are just built well. There is a store near where I live where they sell refurbished Laptops and they have a whole bunch of T520s there - which is exactly the model I am currently looking at. Since I am buying this with my own money, I don't mind spending a little less. :-) I don't care about gaming performance. That's not what I need it for. Most of my work will include writing (probably 80% TeX, lots of emails, some letters). There will be some work done specifically for my sports club (which requires special Windows software) - and yes, I will try to get it to run with wine. :-) There will be some Firefoxing and some video watching while I am on the train. This is the basic usage profile. I will be running a dual-boot system with Windows (hopefully 7) and I also want to run FreeBSD. This is where you guys come in. Laptops often contain evil hardware which will not work too well with Linux, BSD and the like because of missing or broken drivers. Will this be a concern with the T520? Even if the work I do would be possible in theory, I do not plan on working through a frame buffer! Here is some info about the laptop: https://support.lenovo.com/de/en/documents/pd015761 Do you think that this machine will work well with FreeBSD on it? Is there some other machine I should take a look at? While looking around, I noticed the T520 and liked it (because I have used it before), but I don't know every model out there and thus I am open to suggestions. Thanks for your input and advice! Best regards, Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAldYVh1fFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7J2gQD/U6qMTy/BTOjgJQQrYRt42AtG JXcPR5yH/SbprT5GgGYBAJFHSrvcu1WAJfpNx7Oq71JyGq/O3PCETF3++oZ0BMLD =ha3t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 18:29:43 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5126B6FD54 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 18:29:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [IPv6:2a02:2770:15:0:21a:4aff:feaa:e902]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A388E19C3 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 18:29:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7023E3887B3; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 20:29:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 20:29:39 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Message-ID: <20160608182939.GD8540@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a+b56+3nqLzpiR9O" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 18:29:43 -0000 --a+b56+3nqLzpiR9O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christian Baer [2016-06-08 19:30 +0200] : > Here is some info about the laptop: > https://support.lenovo.com/de/en/documents/pd015761 >=20 > Do you think that this machine will work well with FreeBSD on it? Is > there some other machine I should take a look at? While looking > around, I noticed the T520 and liked it (because I have used it > before), but I don't know every model out there and thus I am open to > suggestions. Make sure that the notebook doesn't have NVIDIA Optimus. It works with bumblebee on Linux but I am not sure whether it does on FreeBSD. If I bought a new notebook, I would go for T40s. I would get a s(lim) version because they are much lighter and much thinner. Since you want to use it when being mobile, you should think about this. T40s are also much lighter than their T5 variants. The display is a bit smaller but with a resolution of 1900x you're good to go. My T420 is six years old and I use it everyday nearly all the time. It's running smooth, so quality of these notebooks is great. I don't know about the newer series though, but probably it's the best you can get out there. If I bought a new one, I would at least go for a T430s, maybe even a newer model. Also think about saving some money for a SSD. They're definitely worth every cent. 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[174.30.204.156]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p68sm3860570itc.19.2016.06.08.12.06.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 08 Jun 2016 12:06:53 -0700 (PDT) References: User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Christian Baer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 14:06:53 -0500 Message-ID: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 19:07:01 -0000 > Do you think that this machine will work well with FreeBSD on it? Is > there some other machine I should take a look at? While looking around, > I noticed the T520 and liked it (because I have used it before), but I > don't know every model out there and thus I am open to suggestions. I've been using the T520 as my primary machine for almost five years, and love it. As Niklaas said, make sure you get the model that does not have Nvidia Optimus; I would add that you should make sure the model(s) they have for sale feature the Intel WiFi chip, rather than the stock Realtek chip. Intel wireless has worked flawlessly for me, while the Realtek that originally came with my machine would drop connections at least a couple times per day. If you wish to dual-boot, the machine does allow you to connect multiple disks to it---the optical drive can be removed and replaced with an Ultrabay adapter for another 2.5-inch disk, and there's an mSATA port beneath the keyboard. That would give you a lot more flexibility and simplicity, and a lot less hassle, than trying to install two operating systems on one disk. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 19:12:48 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9B9B6FE95 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:12:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DFF93103F for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:12:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 12:12:46 -0700 Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: <57586E36.40509@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 12:12:54 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 19:12:49 -0000 On 06/08/2016 10:30 AM, Christian Baer wrote: > It may be that I am strange, but I actually like the older T-Series > by IBM or Lenovo much more than most newer machines. They have great > keyboards and the machines themselves are hard to break. They are > just built well. There is a store near where I live where they sell > refurbished Laptops and they have a whole bunch of T520s there These sites are useful: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops http://people.freebsd.org/~bcr/laptop_article.html On 06/08/2016 10:30 AM, Christian Baer wrote: > I don't care about gaming performance. That's not what I need it > for. Most of my work will include writing (probably 80% TeX, lots of > emails, some letters). There will be some work done specifically for > my sports club (which requires special Windows software) - and yes, I > will try to get it to run with wine. :-) There will be some > Firefoxing and some video watching while I am on the train. This is > the basic usage profile. > > I will be running a dual-boot system with Windows (hopefully 7) and > I also want to run FreeBSD. Dual+ boot is a PITA -- been there, done that, got the scars. I prefer one small, fast SSD for each OS instance. I'd get a laptop with an easy to swap HDD/SSD or a laptop that can hold 2+ drives. On 06/08/2016 11:29 AM, Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff wrote: > Make sure that the notebook doesn't have NVIDIA Optimus. I've had the best luck with Intel parts -- processors, chip sets, graphics, sound, networking, etc.. Other brands just cause problems and/or don't last -- especially NVIDIA. I was looking for a used laptop that is known-good with FreeBSD a few months back: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2016-March/270997.html I never bought one, but my searches led me to Dell Inspiron with second-generation Core i processors. Latitude and/or Precision are appealing, but it's hard to find examples without NVIDIA or ATI graphics (other than brand new, which are very expensive). Let us know what you buy and your experiences getting FreeBSD onto it. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 19:23:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66286B7051B; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [IPv6:2a02:2770:15:0:21a:4aff:feaa:e902]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E781996; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F3C843887B3; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:23:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:23:47 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Getting CARP to broadcast on a different interface Message-ID: <20160608192347.GE8540@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <7a877e3c-9c77-c104-e47e-94c9d9389656@shrew.net> <20160608163033.GC8540@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dWYAkE0V1FpFQHQ3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160608163033.GC8540@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 19:23:51 -0000 --dWYAkE0V1FpFQHQ3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff [2016-06-08 18:30 +0200] : > Then, I could use devd to assign the public failover IP (that I actually > wanted to share with CARP on vtnet0) to the public interface vtnet0. > CARP(4) provides an example on how to use carp status change events for > additional scripting: >=20 [...] >=20 > Depending von $type, carpcontrol.sh could either >=20 > ifconfig vtnet0 alias >=20 > or >=20 > ifconfig vtnet0 -alias For that to work I must bind processes to non-local IP addresses. How do I do that? I found this https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2011-January/034033.html with some recommendations to do so with ipfw. Can I do something similar with pf? Or is there even another solution for binding to non-local addresses? Niklaas --dWYAkE0V1FpFQHQ3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXWHC8AAoJEG2fODeJrIU/s6wP/1u0no+xoMukUOlvk0eIbNIa HXNxvOCGST3pz4Hy2nWXPibjF883oPgmnEMuDA5I18qXfJwOyW9/MzhgiHg/zi73 qp9kQpivxkDfUYuRJrHGM64TqqzJwCXJEDgSJvz/wZY2Dpwtk6uVWJbw/B3zgPSX xQ1Y/Gtdd3Fl9qepDJ52pDmyhmRlf3gd/O4hyZlZd6uCfYJatTcxM3rcJSGW/yPe LoLxuUxzP5A4Ylr8thcnR93ndeZpGzoTBRegVQEhSIZdrRy3dV5W9P/B4xHLKF3y EdD6hJH3rEQ75rhZne0wASbWaA4m3hMbFTRv49o42kvwllikai5Ys8blcwTFXHib FpB/0/LX65q07OiceJ/aYRVXla+F44DTHh8aUIZ4X+8l0l0cvJgWdlEyfPTq6idJ fT4aOLix5P/SDJIRDeXb0ftS/RnR0ztj8Uppr2SU7PccuPvMi0+sYTZm5FtXJ1X+ gIYWMgwBueL+c8xHCK/g/XswGYvzQk9UvErmcEWctLXB7tGdWyckM+0PGnFOd6QK qcJijq8Le5MfCoU8Jp7OnowL9VfWl48DNBvreARXQp+ea9jNK6kDHi3U0A/cwQ/6 bKlWYHcB0TuoytTSbM1wIC1kULttBC8Way81lq3wKPeq8UefLNtmN4fnBwj/5O4o /hatjY5Zi+I3WE6K+at+ =52YN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dWYAkE0V1FpFQHQ3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 19:30:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7A5B706BD for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:30:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [84.22.110.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE2C1D0A for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:30:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E66C338841C; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:29:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:29:57 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Message-ID: <20160608192957.GF8540@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <57586E36.40509@holgerdanske.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="df+09Je9rNq3P+GE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <57586E36.40509@holgerdanske.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 19:30:01 -0000 --df+09Je9rNq3P+GE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline David Christensen [2016-06-08 12:12 -0700] : > I never bought one, but my searches led me to Dell Inspiron with > second-generation Core i processors. Latitude and/or Precision are > appealing, but it's hard to find examples without NVIDIA or ATI > graphics (other than brand new, which are very expensive). I forgot to mention System76: https://system76.com/laptops At least they're Linux compatible and you won't pay for a Windows license (in case you might have a spare one lying around or don't need one). Anyway, I don't know how they work with FreeBSD, but maybe you can contact them and get a reply. Niklaas --df+09Je9rNq3P+GE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXWHI1AAoJEG2fODeJrIU/4jMP+QHyuVEPMm8oiy4s4MmxtGsW da2wOk0BawVC7AugPF9NNHtpX0R0GcNN4PqtIel9EBjVCViPClDf0Sa4AC5JYOGE Fq4dKZRbRixN1C9GSh9WZsFzJGHn1KhAl/gq7pPfQm3zTlMZLhweXLWbw7Vk83FX yhoNxAfA5Juts/fEYexPl/Tp3ddD5kydsklh0qYwsDRiwjt35deLFfoLVIMI/l85 ICXAHJGjbxYCAI1Roq13KLMgEUKJeqNcAUbHbexj0fwAfKVKuuPDxQ5D5pxpIuO1 cAkvgFhn0VDyMbG1hTr5qyOYSJgr4IpdswzspFNa5Vv/9HbbEkzu5to39lY9jGZY hojE+8oxqK9F9MQNtlEdhVzCZ+oI34vZf4xT+5C09ntDGWcVvOScpQ9PT92gNk/H hi5oDYGG3MN8B7H8IG/+gSBrIhWSTZIE+Ri58Y9cOt6QgSBcy7ciu47S8XmDmbeS NVjErXSSxDrf238IlvVOP3Ktcq51qe/t5PbjnvBKVx4MhR5dyzWI+HZHlP7FoMaK LzTw6h4X1VSpY5SOZzizP0xik9o7zRrKY52e+At/lZvv3oJS58hb2v4+CA+7RbrV lak63sB8+e0AlqGR3BfhJF2OzrXT2RBePNnb+S0TiNRVfh3Qw/yChF+ngQKGMQTB M/HwoPEPwW46UU0i5s+G =zs6k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --df+09Je9rNq3P+GE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 20:07:34 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFCFB70F37 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 20:07:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83B2B128B for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 20:07:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id v199so79038364wmv.0 for ; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 13:07:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=brianwhalen-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=XxljCWl+X1J+opjxvRbVOEVih/nfJUKYO4mAsF9zMsw=; b=wmZA7H1mk5T8p0fBku0+UEAqT6k4oNi7MbpYNTwnn9meZAFIU5ZTC2+g/IxjcddiRr fo/zD2+TpasFE1WEPNcy8h3VaDMPpytMXDxrcv5UpDfSdcBLlrG8OBYUANvZOa9rV4c2 eCTh3k7BCWDlV/LfwNaAeDkIe43jDsZnpgRCJ8INfZMu0NUAfaq6lksa5YtbkDaK94Qi od3O9IpgnThsxWEFOolri7EYJpOwPRyjA37de1biThXnmsHaNJhqLK3TREwknvT6t/26 SGgFLOxttY5tRo0MsSSCYggDAWi6rwLWZr8JwqrLOKYOkor5lpR9smKQcBGVSjF8W1ad HKiA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=XxljCWl+X1J+opjxvRbVOEVih/nfJUKYO4mAsF9zMsw=; b=O01/jL7lYlmt+zvqxsvN9ZRmTLgwABVjjdhJ0IptjCiR2xYF8YpUL3n1kk+JLKYypG x8gfI9yQvQCXAnLD3bgHiLVgBKU/ytytb78CVhdPSSZex3AXmUeb3XKKgWbn40IX83TT k4RTc+XDa8VmZhrNkn2uUK2RSDbJSGyd64vTXh81njMUay7L0UXL54mA+0kMCPlaYdSe X73/ID3XB8c2qrML4H3Xi4xmRzrUCsJ+g/6cheXvm91beZRPstj+AY8sFTvWkib6Tl/i GanO99MONf196ShxNZTKMxfi/Dy+6gr+FkFKPjXC7UbE35D1btM84+GI65aONBW5/iUg +kXA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJtftRjZWnplyqw4vxp5JIKmT4wcAi6QhxCjBcU8p5OPEfK/2xT5NkNJ7FJXXhKYUvH17SoVa1vSm/N1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.119.233 with SMTP id kx9mr6418488wjb.87.1465416452315; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 13:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.46.215 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 13:07:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2600:1012:b11c:525b:c899:db3d:eb0e:eb21] Received: by 10.28.46.215 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 13:07:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 13:07:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: "Brian W." To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 20:07:35 -0000 Any of the Lenovos with ThinkPad branding have a very good keyboard. They are often very non windows OS compatible and a fine choice. Brian On Jun 8, 2016 10:39 AM, "Christian Baer" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hey guy and gals! :-) > > For most of my life I have lived quite happily without a mobile computer > (as in a laptop). I do own an 8" Android tablet which to me is more like > a phone than anything else. It's not really good for writing longer text > s. > > The future has it in for me in that I will traveling a fair bit among > other things for my sports club. Because I need a computer on these > trips I intend to buy a laptop within the next 6 weeks or so. > > It may be that I am strange, but I actually like the older T-Series by > IBM or Lenovo much more than most newer machines. They have great > keyboards and the machines themselves are hard to break. They are just > built well. There is a store near where I live where they sell > refurbished Laptops and they have a whole bunch of T520s there - which > is exactly the model I am currently looking at. Since I am buying this > with my own money, I don't mind spending a little less. :-) > > I don't care about gaming performance. That's not what I need it for. > Most of my work will include writing (probably 80% TeX, lots of emails, > some letters). There will be some work done specifically for my sports > club (which requires special Windows software) - and yes, I will try to > get it to run with wine. :-) There will be some Firefoxing and some > video watching while I am on the train. This is the basic usage profile. > > I will be running a dual-boot system with Windows (hopefully 7) and I > also want to run FreeBSD. This is where you guys come in. Laptops often > contain evil hardware which will not work too well with Linux, BSD and > the like because of missing or broken drivers. Will this be a concern > with the T520? Even if the work I do would be possible in theory, I do > not plan on working through a frame buffer! > > Here is some info about the laptop: > https://support.lenovo.com/de/en/documents/pd015761 > > Do you think that this machine will work well with FreeBSD on it? Is > there some other machine I should take a look at? While looking around, > I noticed the T520 and liked it (because I have used it before), but I > don't know every model out there and thus I am open to suggestions. > > Thanks for your input and advice! > > Best regards, > Chris > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > iL4EAREKAGYFAldYVh1fFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl > bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy > MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7J2gQD/U6qMTy/BTOjgJQQrYRt42AtG > JXcPR5yH/SbprT5GgGYBAJFHSrvcu1WAJfpNx7Oq71JyGq/O3PCETF3++oZ0BMLD > =ha3t > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 21:13:06 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DCDB6FFE6 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:13:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.manas.88@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22e.google.com (mail-io0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED8591E3E for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:13:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.manas.88@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id m62so21143238iof.0 for ; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 14:13:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=h/YO8gCjNiIbctb6EmEiAFZ55DHvLF4QfSnikpbmZf0=; b=KoD3FbW8GJPsCeNYhy1q9p45Br8QnYtZoi9cONBgVSe0S5Xi6YyG5rb3dM3Lr8OnJ1 C4HkMe6CRGMolxl0BPofhzDflv8GI1r+tq8IPX3GqZ7v97OREoaI2CbO3BgwYo+RuvRZ lBrDjnIOGfPsw7CAjUoRNB2r5TD8gAAIooCZleCGWUb3v3NjODw1gugGAiXBWj1G0rHF PjQdV4VfivWVkBqBaK8jENUNkVGQLkN9KfP6tZVJByjCMJXWgQC1iaZlj9PmSFYA62lt NsIyvDDeKzt8HZWCXKYPfFratPuclmfqI4yfoc6ArDDvR/a5TxcTx2aSmmYfR6A0xERC aelg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=h/YO8gCjNiIbctb6EmEiAFZ55DHvLF4QfSnikpbmZf0=; b=f3PVriJjJeT8ZkRiYFVXaMEulujRAgTMi9HjIzeJ+Ch6qLwPSBbBtWEkDl2VSBoQtv bLwhT64JnKutA7BOneoFjpLmLM6bSykp/FPSshTOFc3Vd0U31kWwtb3OU0sMsdMPPvni 1dLiZBeBrGXGjLtHYwxUZMhF/jzm4nFXS2aZu6qe7jt1JhSbS3H5K1V0Y20AAEhyk9hk 5uv9B6xWxBjjoiyjIRnk1drrC+EEQPffz5NgcuPVdx74MdRiU3OgVVgeMuzp/T1GuMCP LPhhWfH4McnZ9TjOqjcZaKZpmkkKcjEUYNftyM3+FlJ3hMu61JfEaG5jaQi1tUYvZ9Hg raHA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tItRMTa8fZDOgxHjmGCvknkhuEw6+BH4dzu60zoIOXhIdpIhVMUYXJZu9enIq411A== X-Received: by 10.107.18.35 with SMTP id a35mr13118999ioj.116.1465420385404; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 14:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2620:101:f000:700:3502:7fab:1ef8:3faa? ([2620:101:f000:700:3502:7fab:1ef8:3faa]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d200sm1606680ioe.19.2016.06.08.14.13.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Jun 2016 14:13:04 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: Manas B Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 17:13:02 -0400 To: "Brian W." , FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <2A9191BF-029B-4728-AE90-B3EF8689A8FC@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:13:06 -0000 Lenovo's T430s is a good laptop. I haven't used it with FreeBSD but I have been running Debian on it for over a year. I am running Debian testing on it now, with KDE. It works generally well, krunner crashes frequently and I recently had to get drivers for the bluetooth card but otherwise it is stable and reliable. Manas From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 8 21:43:12 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE8AB706FD for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:43:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F069F1206 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:43:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id ADE05CB8CA7; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 16:43:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 16:43:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45577.128.135.52.6.1465422185.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> References: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 16:43:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" Cc: "Christian Baer" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:43:12 -0000 On Wed, June 8, 2016 2:06 pm, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > >> Do you think that this machine will work well with FreeBSD on it? Is >> there some other machine I should take a look at? While looking around, >> I noticed the T520 and liked it (because I have used it before), but I >> don't know every model out there and thus I am open to suggestions. > > I've been using the T520 as my primary machine for almost five years, > and love it. As Niklaas said, make sure you get the model that does not > have Nvidia Optimus; I would add that you should make sure the model(s) > they have for sale feature the Intel WiFi chip, rather than the stock > Realtek > chip. Intel wireless has worked flawlessly for me, while the Realtek > that originally came with my machine would drop connections at least a > couple times per day. With Intel WiFi adapters I would suggest to stay away from latest ones, specifically 7xxx and 6xxx (like 6205, 7260, etc). They will not work (did not work for me). They need some modifications to wireless stack, after which their drivers written for Linux could be adopted/modified for FreeBSD (as far as I understood the developer who can do/does that from his post). If I'm wrong here, I really would like to see reference to what I can do to make one of these WiFi adapters work... Valeri > > If you wish to dual-boot, the machine does allow you to connect multiple > disks to it---the optical drive can be removed and replaced with an > Ultrabay adapter for another 2.5-inch disk, and there's an mSATA port > beneath the keyboard. That would give you a lot more flexibility and > simplicity, and a lot less hassle, than trying to install two operating > systems on one disk. > > -- > > :: Brandon J. Wandersee > :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com > :: -------------------------------------------------- > :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' > :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 01:04:57 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D91B70BA9 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 01:04:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 438C212C1 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 01:04:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 18:04:49 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: David Christensen Subject: FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p35, package samba44 -- where is SWAT or samba-tool? Message-ID: <5758C0B9.8070207@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 18:04:57 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 01:04:57 -0000 freebsd-questions: I have a FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p35 machine and would like to run a Samba server. I have installed the 'samba44' package. My preferred Samba administration tool is SWAT. It appears that samba44 does not include SWAT. The FreeBSD handbook section 28.10 appears to be written for samba43. The handbook recommends 'samba-tool': https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-samba.html It appears samba44 does not include samba-tool. Any suggestions? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 01:12:12 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47B6B70F51 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 01:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DFD31B35 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 01:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-156-20.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.156.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 524443CE50; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 03:12:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u591C2qu002471; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 03:12:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 03:12:02 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Christian Baer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Message-Id: <20160609031202.79225671.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 01:12:12 -0000 On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:30:05 +0200, Christian Baer wrote: > It may be that I am strange, but I actually like the older T-Series by > IBM or Lenovo much more than most newer machines. They have great > keyboards and the machines themselves are hard to break. They are just > built well. [...] I use a IBM T60p and Lenovo R61i myself - "still" great machines to work with. Especially when you use an SSD and think about what software you install, you get up-to-date (!) average performance out of those things, even when they are already 5+ years old. :-) Last year I made a Dell Latitude D630 with FreeBSD 10, and it works better than my home Aldi PC! :-) > I don't care about gaming performance. That's not what I need it for. > Most of my work will include writing (probably 80% TeX, lots of emails, > some letters). There will be some work done specifically for my sports > club (which requires special Windows software) - and yes, I will try to > get it to run with wine. :-) There will be some Firefoxing and some > video watching while I am on the train. This is the basic usage profile. Nothing the mentioned machines cannot handle. > I will be running a dual-boot system with Windows (hopefully 7) and I > also want to run FreeBSD. This is where you guys come in. Laptops often > contain evil hardware which will not work too well with Linux, BSD and > the like because of missing or broken drivers. Will this be a concern > with the T520? Even if the work I do would be possible in theory, I do > not plan on working through a frame buffer! If you can, use a live system to check (start from USB or CD/DVD). But as far as I know, all the parts of the machines I own are fully supported, even the wireless. The only thing I really didn't care about is the fingerprint reader as I have no use for it. > Here is some info about the laptop: > https://support.lenovo.com/de/en/documents/pd015761 > > Do you think that this machine will work well with FreeBSD on it? Is > there some other machine I should take a look at? While looking around, > I noticed the T520 and liked it (because I have used it before), but I > don't know every model out there and thus I am open to suggestions. Looks good from that list. But it's probably a good idea to give it a try with a test system prior to paying. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 02:29:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD22B6E745 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 02:29:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 022891691 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 02:29:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: Subject:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Z9Ua2pQh/1r0ygPECFVB0hUY+Kgdqzb5s1aq8vOXSKg=; b=v8RDg07jfTI3zvvv8bASnuOGhQ FNHDzOp5ssHB5rSzxznU4tk0YdG+pC6JBk1NHH2mMidngoaVB6Md6HOUGCWRqmwvk13WtoOvFroJ/ caRw96M39AoyGZoubW1eXRq6rblhQgKP+H5p3SGB9x4L5tTfM9lKT8CUXR7zpMjyIi8o=; Received: from [114.121.234.111] (port=19489 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bApjB-003TaP-EX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 20:29:49 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:29:44 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: HOME, Home and home in tcsh Message-ID: <20160609102944.39f0e4c2@X220.alogt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Authenticated-Sender: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 02:29:51 -0000 Hi, the answer to my question might be so obvious, but I do not know it. I use this to set the home for the current project I am working on and then use cd $Home to return to the project's home directory: setenv home "`pwd`/" setenv Home "`pwd`/" 'home' contains always my real home directory. 'Home' contains the project's home directory as expected. Does anybody know why it is like this? Thanks! Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 02:56:49 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAC3B6EEAE for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 02:56:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 457351734 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 02:56:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-156-20.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.156.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C6B23CE50; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 04:56:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u592ujdV003499; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 04:56:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 04:56:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Erich Dollansky Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HOME, Home and home in tcsh Message-Id: <20160609045645.f98518c7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20160609102944.39f0e4c2@X220.alogt.com> References: <20160609102944.39f0e4c2@X220.alogt.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 02:56:49 -0000 On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:29:44 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > the answer to my question might be so obvious, but I do not know it. > > I use this to set the home for the current project I am working on and > then use cd $Home to return to the project's home directory: > > setenv home "`pwd`/" > setenv Home "`pwd`/" > > 'home' contains always my real home directory. 'Home' contains the > project's home directory as expected. > > Does anybody know why it is like this? The variable $home is set by the C shell automatically, similarly as it does "set path = (... list of path elements ...)"; $home is set like $HOME by the shell itself and should not be altered by the user (without purpose). :-) >From "man csh": The character `~' at the beginning of a filename refers to home direc- tories. Standing alone, i.e., `~', it expands to the invoker's home directory as reflected in the value of the home shell variable. [...] Special shell variables The variables described in this section have special meaning to the shell. The shell sets addsuffix, argv, autologout, csubstnonl, command, echo_style, edit, gid, group, home, loginsh, oid, path, prompt, prompt2, prompt3, shell, shlvl, tcsh, term, tty, uid, user and version at startup; they do not change thereafter unless changed by the user. The shell updates cwd, dirstack, owd and status when necessary, and sets logout on logout. The shell synchronizes group, home, path, shlvl, term and user with the environment variables of the same names: whenever the environment vari- able changes the shell changes the corresponding shell variable to match (unless the shell variable is read-only) and vice versa. Note that although cwd and PWD have identical meanings, they are not syn- chronized in this manner, and that the shell automatically intercon- verts the different formats of path and PATH. [...] home Initialized to the home directory of the invoker. The filename expansion of `~' refers to this variable. [...] HOME Equivalent to the home shell variable. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 03:03:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84D6B6F26B for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 03:03:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D7CF1FA5 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 03:03:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=crN5p0bgzqhtne8xJnKdxuxLFmwvl4BnstUaFLl6g88=; b=gYNuvGAZiQCquRNEIovu6Thakt nn3BLRJvdhgBOKSn3DaQNkB24uNXnQR+GGEe+OKCKZuiC2zY27xuhiDBd5g+20iD/NJ2mhr+dBi4A WHT3/WfguvMxaLQOV9T21ttiOFiv/6tvOaE1L5TAp2KlA/a+OTDDOOFN/FD32GwacBTs=; Received: from [114.121.234.111] (port=11432 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bAqFq-003dr8-F9; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:03:35 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:03:30 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HOME, Home and home in tcsh Message-ID: <20160609110330.540d0ad5@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <20160609045645.f98518c7.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20160609102944.39f0e4c2@X220.alogt.com> <20160609045645.f98518c7.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Authenticated-Sender: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 03:03:35 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 04:56:45 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:29:44 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > the answer to my question might be so obvious, but I do not know it. > > > > I use this to set the home for the current project I am working on > > and then use cd $Home to return to the project's home directory: > > > > setenv home "`pwd`/" > > setenv Home "`pwd`/" > > > > 'home' contains always my real home directory. 'Home' contains the > > project's home directory as expected. > > > > Does anybody know why it is like this? > > The variable $home is set by the C shell automatically, similarly > as it does "set path = (... list of path elements ...)"; $home is > set like $HOME by the shell itself and should not be altered by > the user (without purpose). :-) > > From "man csh": > > The character `~' at the beginning of a filename refers to > home direc- tories. Standing alone, i.e., `~', it expands to the > invoker's home directory as reflected in the value of the home shell > variable. > > [...] > > Special shell variables I obviously missed it here. > HOME Equivalent to the home shell variable. > Now I know that it does fall down from the blue sky. Thanks! 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Thank you =20 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 11:27:55 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6186EB6D616 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:27:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD7C91485 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:27:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id u59B3PEf077222 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 13:03:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 13:03:25 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 11:27:55 -0000 On 2016-06-08 19:30, Christian Baer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hey guy and gals! :-) Hello! If your looking for a used laptop maybe this one is for you. http://sunnytechus.com/configuresys/777notebook.htm From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 12:29:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D390B6E022 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 12:29:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C907F1993 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 12:29:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7816533C1E; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 08:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 57FDF39828; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 08:28:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: David Christensen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p35, package samba44 -- where is SWAT or samba-tool? References: <5758C0B9.8070207@holgerdanske.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 08:28:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5758C0B9.8070207@holgerdanske.com> (David Christensen's message of "Wed, 8 Jun 2016 18:04:57 -0700") Message-ID: <44oa7abl6j.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 12:29:11 -0000 David Christensen writes: > freebsd-questions: > > I have a FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p35 machine and would like to run a > Samba server. I have installed the 'samba44' package. > > > My preferred Samba administration tool is SWAT. It appears that > samba44 does not include SWAT. Right. > The FreeBSD handbook section 28.10 appears to be written for > samba43. The handbook recommends 'samba-tool': > > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-samba.html > > It appears samba44 does not include samba-tool. It's in the plist, and it doesn't seem to be controlled by any options. Does "pkg info -l samba44|grep samba-tool" not show it? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 14:06:43 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3533DB70B05 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:06:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0F171A56 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:06:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bB0bR-0008AX-3U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:06:33 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:06:33 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:06:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 16:06:23 +0200 Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <20160608182939.GD8540@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 In-Reply-To: <20160608182939.GD8540@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 14:06:43 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 06/08/16 20:29, Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff wrote: > Make sure that the notebook doesn't have NVIDIA Optimus. It works > with bumblebee on Linux but I am not sure whether it does on > FreeBSD. Actually, I was going to avoid that like the devil avoids holy water. :-) My boss has one of those chips in his laptop running Suse Linux and he says even there it totally sucks rocks. There seem to be issues with this multi-processor concept (which reminds me a bit of big little), however, the driver can't seem to decide on when to use which core. > If I bought a new notebook, I would go for T40s. I > would get a s(lim) version because they are much lighter and much > thinner. Since you want to use it when being mobile, you should > think about this. T40s are also much lighter than their > T5 variants. The display is a bit smaller but with a > resolution of 1900x you're good to go. I haven't looked at all the details but to me it looks as though the T520 and T420 are very similar. They seem to have the same case and keyboard (although the overall size may differ). The reason I went for the T520 ist because AFAIK this is the last Thinkpad that was made with this keyboard (and all those dedicated keys). I have worked with a T60 (somehting) in the past and I loved it, so I know what I am talking about. This however still had the label of IBM. In case this isn't completely clear, I'll let Louis explain what I mean... :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doEZMNXz1JY > My T420 is six years old and I use it everyday nearly all the > time. It's running smooth, so quality of these notebooks is great. > I don't know about the newer series though, but probably it's the > best you can get out there. If I bought a new one, I would at least > go for a T430s, maybe even a newer model. Which model do you suggest? Isn't the T520 newer than the T420? BTW. I will not be using my laptop "all the time". Here at work I am sitting in front of 2 27" screens with 2560x1440 and I am typing this on an IBM Model M keyboard. At home I had to give up my Model M because my new computer no longer had a PS/2 port. So there I now have a Corsair K70 with Cherry MX Blue switches. The Thinkpads may be good, but they are not that good. :-) > Also think about saving some money for a SSD. They're definitely > worth every cent. I've already thought about it and decided to get one. May "workstation" at home (I also use it for gaming although it has an E3 as the CPU) has had an SSD since the beginning and I don't want to be without it anymore. Even FreeBSD boots crazy fast. :-) Best regards, Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAldZd99fFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7LCPAD+IC/aok/Xz5SRkBLAUq4yTMbH O5YgVQma5p34ClopaQcA/RXzw8pK3g1xrsurZsw7piNiXbNJPfhzmWEj1yVy/gw4 =sGXt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 14:10:06 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D420B70C97 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:10:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 647FA1DE7 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:10:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bB0ep-0002AR-B2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:10:03 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:10:03 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:10:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 16:06:37 +0200 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <45577.128.135.52.6.1465422185.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 In-Reply-To: <45577.128.135.52.6.1465422185.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 14:10:06 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 06/08/16 23:43, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > With Intel WiFi adapters I would suggest to stay away from latest > ones, specifically 7xxx and 6xxx (like 6205, 7260, etc). They will > not work (did not work for me). They need some modifications to > wireless stack, after which their drivers written for Linux could > be adopted/modified for FreeBSD (as far as I understood the > developer who can do/does that from his post). If I'm wrong here, I > really would like to see reference to what I can do to make one of > these WiFi adapters work... I am not really up to date on these WiFi chips, but in this case I am wondering if you mean "latest" in relative terms. Were they the latest chips when the T520 was current or are they the latest chips now? In the latter case, the T520 won't have them, so this is not an issue. :-) Best, Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAldZd+1fFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7Ij3wEAi8QBdVSBSrjT3yBKQc3Ry/gD kTcGESZMicP0Oi3aLIMA/2gZrmxkqItc9XLGxtSCD9VftpcwdeOaKqnNxpIjMObL =JS8F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 14:15:06 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D16B70EF7 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A74612DF for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:15:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bB0jf-0005Vh-Ot for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:15:03 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:15:03 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:15:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 16:11:48 +0200 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 14:15:06 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 06/09/16 13:03, Bernt Hansson wrote: > If your looking for a used laptop maybe this one is for you. > > http://sunnytechus.com/configuresys/777notebook.htm Did someone forget to take down the website after 20 years? :-) I wouldn't want to work with this on a daily basis, but having one of these laptops would definitely be cool and wonderfully nerdy! :-P Best, Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAldZeSRfFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7J1sgEAoe8vYFqbJpUwzjfEz6AaNMgA O1rIiiTXf4S65zqpSdkA/2tnvSQ3s4TDhIg+OUV29TDSci6CWSaJK6P6ODkBhz8v =zege -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 14:20:07 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC70CB71000 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:20:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8389D16EE for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:20:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bB0oW-0000WS-Sn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:20:04 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:20:04 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:20:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 16:06:31 +0200 Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 In-Reply-To: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 14:20:07 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 06/08/16 21:06, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > I would add that you should make sure the model(s) they have for > sale feature the Intel WiFi chip, rather than the stock Realtek > chip. Was this actually an option you could choose when the T520 was new or were the WiFi chips choses by what Lenovo could get their hands on at the time? Is there any way of telling this from the outside? BTW. Do either of these WiFi chips support 5Ghz? > If you wish to dual-boot, the machine does allow you to connect > multiple disks to it---the optical drive can be removed and > replaced with an Ultrabay adapter for another 2.5-inch disk, and > there's an mSATA port beneath the keyboard. That would give you a > lot more flexibility and simplicity, and a lot less hassle, than > trying to install two operating systems on one disk. That probably won't work for me because I plan to install an SSD and a normal HD. But I use a dual-boot system on my computer at home and that works fine for me. Are there more tripwires to consider when doing this on a laptop? Regards, Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAldZd+dfFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7K5iQD/a5okkt65uzJ1JJHH9Jwr8+fs StKKr88I3JFD+jzCP14BAL/gAJZIOjrdfdzbcWmk29ktgCoyf2HbEQ5JoYhxQmE9 =fhe2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 14:25:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16C6B6F267 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D91491C07 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bB0tN-0003la-H9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:25:05 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:25:05 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:25:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 16:06:48 +0200 Lines: 90 Message-ID: References: <57586E36.40509@holgerdanske.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 In-Reply-To: <57586E36.40509@holgerdanske.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 14:25:13 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 06/08/16 21:12, David Christensen wrote: > These sites are useful: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops > http://people.freebsd.org/~bcr/laptop_article.html Thanks for the links! I can't help but think about how current the information on these sites actually is. I mean, article is from 2007 and refers to FreeBSD 4 and 5 (we are talking nearly 10 years here) and I'd like to think that things may have improved a bit since then. :-) There is no info on the T520 in the wiki and the info on the T530 is from 2014. Dunno if it's still current. Can someone verify that? > Dual+ boot is a PITA -- been there, done that, got the scars. I > prefer one small, fast SSD for each OS instance. I'd get a laptop > with an easy to swap HDD/SSD or a laptop that can hold 2+ drives. So people keep saying. I don't quite get why though. I've been playing around with dual boot systems since I ran OS/2 2.1 - which is a few years back BTW. :-) I stuck with OS/2 until Warp4 but even when that was released, IBM had already dug OS/2's grave. During that time I already started to play with Linux and due to frustration with the concept of Linux I went to FreeBSD at v3.3. After seeing the OS/2 boot loader, I always wondered why the other boot loaders out there (esp. the FreeBSD one) weren't more like that one. Today I have a dual boot system at home with FreeBSD for most of my stuff and Windows 7 for gaming and certain apps I cannot get to run with Wine. Have I been missing out on all the fun here? :-P > I've had the best luck with Intel parts -- processors, chip sets, > graphics, sound, networking, etc.. Other brands just cause > problems and/or don't last -- especially NVIDIA. Is this a general rule or are you only referring to mobile adapter from nVidia? > I was looking for a used laptop that is known-good with FreeBSD a > few months back: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2016-March/270997 .html Interesting > > thread. Thanks for the link! > I never bought one, but my searches led me to Dell Inspiron with > second-generation Core i processors. Latitude and/or Precision are > appealing, but it's hard to find examples without NVIDIA or ATI > graphics (other than brand new, which are very expensive). May I ask why you went to all the trouble researching the hardware an then never bought that laptop your wanted? Since I have kept away from mobile hardware for quite a while now, I don't know much about the mobile graphics cards (chips). In both my computer at home and in my workstation in the office, I have an nVidia card installed. Both work very will with the drivers from nVidia. I have real a lot about the open source drivers having "issues". Normally this should decrease for AMD graphics because of the open source nature, but it seems they are mainly targeting the Linux kernel, which doesn't help FreeBSD all that much. What's the deal with nVidia's mobile chips? > Let us know what you buy and your experiences getting FreeBSD onto > it. When I do buy something, I will let you guys know. Currently I am holding myself back, because when looking around I see more and more laptops that I would like to have and there is so much potential for spending *so* much more money than I should, :-) Best, Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAldZd/hfFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7KjrQEAojsu9yAoJKYvCv1WLkfgS+/J WLRfKxUufVm1lFVBkxUBAMSRObnNSsPQW/w4MgIdMkeVlVmBr78gWcT5WWujj0Bn =wGOP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 14:41:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F76AB6FA14 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 173E71814 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id u59EfMxG081103 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 16:41:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 16:41:23 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 14:41:28 -0000 On 2016-06-09 16:11, Christian Baer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 06/09/16 13:03, Bernt Hansson wrote: > >> If your looking for a used laptop maybe this one is for you. >> >> http://sunnytechus.com/configuresys/777notebook.htm > Did someone forget to take down the website after 20 years? :-) > > I wouldn't want to work with this on a daily basis, but having one of > these laptops would definitely be cool and wonderfully nerdy! :-P > Search and you will find. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 15:02:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9E3AEF2C2 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 15:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C83E1D10 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 15:02:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id A6CEBCB8CA2; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:02:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:02:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19828.128.135.52.6.1465484549.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <45577.128.135.52.6.1465422185.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:02:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Christian Baer" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 15:02:31 -0000 On Thu, June 9, 2016 9:06 am, Christian Baer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 06/08/16 23:43, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> With Intel WiFi adapters I would suggest to stay away from latest >> ones, specifically 7xxx and 6xxx (like 6205, 7260, etc). They will >> not work (did not work for me). They need some modifications to >> wireless stack, after which their drivers written for Linux could >> be adopted/modified for FreeBSD (as far as I understood the >> developer who can do/does that from his post). If I'm wrong here, I >> really would like to see reference to what I can do to make one of >> these WiFi adapters work... > > I am not really up to date on these WiFi chips, but in this case I am > wondering if you mean "latest" in relative terms. Were they the latest > chips when the T520 was current or are they the latest chips now? In > the latter case, the T520 won't have them, so this is not an issue. :-) > Sorry, I was not clear enough. Intel WiFi adapters with model numbers 6xxx and 7xxx require some additions/modifications to wireless stack on FreeBSD. These adapters will not work under FreeBSD Intel adapters with model numbers 5xxx 4xxx and smaller should work under FreeBSD (were reported to work under FreeBSD) - current FreeBSD stack has all necessary for these, you may need to fiddle a bit with installing latest firmware. This is as far as I know. You may want to check which WiFi adapter the laptop of your choice has. Relying just on the fact that some laptop is certified for Linux (they usually will like Ubuntu for it) does not guarantee that WiFi on that laptop will work under FreeBSD. Namely, all Intel adapters with model numbers 7xxx and 6xxx will work under Linux, but will not under FreeBSD. As far as I know, that is; somebody, correct me if I'm wrong (with the reference to how I can make Intel 7xxx or 6xxx work under FreeBSD). I hope, this helps. Valeri > Best, > Chris > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > iL4EAREKAGYFAldZd+1fFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl > bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy > MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7Ij3wEAi8QBdVSBSrjT3yBKQc3Ry/gD > kTcGESZMicP0Oi3aLIMA/2gZrmxkqItc9XLGxtSCD9VftpcwdeOaKqnNxpIjMObL > =JS8F > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 15:12:56 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B91AEF524 for ; 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These adapters will > not work under FreeBSD > > Intel adapters with model numbers 5xxx 4xxx and smaller should work under > FreeBSD (were reported to work under FreeBSD) - current FreeBSD stack has > all necessary for these, you may need to fiddle a bit with installing > latest firmware. > > This is as far as I know. You may want to check which WiFi adapter the > laptop of your choice has. Relying just on the fact that some laptop is > certified for Linux (they usually will like Ubuntu for it) does not > guarantee that WiFi on that laptop will work under FreeBSD. Namely, all > Intel adapters with model numbers 7xxx and 6xxx will work under Linux, but > will not under FreeBSD. As far as I know, that is; somebody, correct me if > I'm wrong (with the reference to how I can make Intel 7xxx or 6xxx work > under FreeBSD). > > I hope, this helps. > > Valeri > >> Best, >> Chris >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iL4EAREKAGYFAldZd+1fFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl >> bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy >> MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7Ij3wEAi8QBdVSBSrjT3yBKQc3Ry/gD >> kTcGESZMicP0Oi3aLIMA/2gZrmxkqItc9XLGxtSCD9VftpcwdeOaKqnNxpIjMObL >> =JS8F >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi, The 7260 and 7265 seem to work pretty well with iwm(4), and iwn(4) provides support for some 6xxx chips. Additional firmware required. Thanks, Kyle Evans From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 15:49:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F94AEFEBF for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 15:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qg0-x22e.google.com (mail-qg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 822361039 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 15:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qg0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id q32so22436174qgq.3 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 08:49:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SD+EMS0DKPPbY8Z6yH9LnyhMhaG0RQ6PRKCeYHd77BE=; b=0cxl0FqPrhAirXZX3RSEjW/d6ywdZKdXNlLHHBfl3V9cH0s7wYUdfxbYSZh/2Eup4Z 9FTmnBBKs/lglIcr8wfQLnPlG1f70hx+QEZVVBt5CPrlQGHqU4ZDcvEIJMnmWIWYtpA5 X0CACuadfbvUIqeScvuSx21LBD9g+7ezt7cBNIX6zJ6pz8NeUvY1KCVldarhuqaRdT23 54s9HGc13J9HjQVoMcHlAkEYc5Wi3+GhVPXx1LLk/Rkao/sGuXjnzwurzlT2QmawSCCh Dut5kBwGCJKbQIphTQfOj0iEqVh+kWN7Vi6kn9e156qMoRoQ1ZYZSbNvFjOHC/UkMGVL fayw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SD+EMS0DKPPbY8Z6yH9LnyhMhaG0RQ6PRKCeYHd77BE=; b=UBwp1mON/KhbuSs+4bUiowu8oeqoeKboVcOG51i+2tpDtm939ABqX3fdlPcIP5ruhp CcSnr+zIaFpvNQkETfRHY/vbG8Znhx2cVRLFtx6DQZM/MLMG3pBKt608laOh4Yu0V5tk b+noIAh5vmAl01j3ONAIEc8sgwsYQkZua5uol0qNMxa4t9dlzuJTYAmtQQlF06jgJY6H NZphT2TAyTTn7icIyY5mDodVxZlHrXkileVyDF9hVTjuKm1aL14LoL2N68/aoB003rW4 v/pq6S8ZON1v1onOoSY4jHfb0pq3TgF8CdrxKszF7/4pMOQ83MMyU17vW07zz4OeX12g GY9g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIZc/mP+hEuN1quWZQTcLFqdKyk/27PGyFZUHp7w2r+kCj0wXXQLdSbv6BZcmTctg== X-Received: by 10.140.40.239 with SMTP id x102mr1971357qgx.93.1465487363575; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 08:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z94sm688671qtc.49.2016.06.09.08.49.22 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Jun 2016 08:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57598FFD.9020004@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 09:49:17 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HOME, Home and home in tcsh References: <20160609102944.39f0e4c2@X220.alogt.com> <20160609045645.f98518c7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20160609045645.f98518c7.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 15:49:24 -0000 On 06/08/2016 08:56 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:29:44 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> Hi, >> >> the answer to my question might be so obvious, but I do not know it. >> >> I use this to set the home for the current project I am working on and >> then use cd $Home to return to the project's home directory: >> >> setenv home "`pwd`/" >> setenv Home "`pwd`/" >> >> 'home' contains always my real home directory. 'Home' contains the >> project's home directory as expected. >> >> Does anybody know why it is like this? > The variable $home is set by the C shell automatically, similarly > as it does "set path = (... list of path elements ...)"; $home is > set like $HOME by the shell itself and should not be altered by > the user (without purpose). :-) > > >From "man csh": > > The character `~' at the beginning of a filename refers to home direc- > tories. Standing alone, i.e., `~', it expands to the invoker's home > directory as reflected in the value of the home shell variable. > > [...] > > Special shell variables > The variables described in this section have special meaning to the > shell. > > The shell sets addsuffix, argv, autologout, csubstnonl, command, > echo_style, edit, gid, group, home, loginsh, oid, path, prompt, > prompt2, prompt3, shell, shlvl, tcsh, term, tty, uid, user and version > at startup; they do not change thereafter unless changed by the user. > The shell updates cwd, dirstack, owd and status when necessary, and > sets logout on logout. > > The shell synchronizes group, home, path, shlvl, term and user with the > environment variables of the same names: whenever the environment vari- > able changes the shell changes the corresponding shell variable to > match (unless the shell variable is read-only) and vice versa. Note > that although cwd and PWD have identical meanings, they are not syn- > chronized in this manner, and that the shell automatically intercon- > verts the different formats of path and PATH. > > [...] > > home Initialized to the home directory of the invoker. The filename > expansion of `~' refers to this variable. > > [...] > > HOME Equivalent to the home shell variable. > > > > +1 Shell make no use of $Home. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 16:21:58 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02113B6ED7B for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 16:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) Received: from nm9-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm9-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55A011A85 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 16:21:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.es; s=s2048; t=1465489158; bh=6zMIs/k0kVRMag4H1MeVNpMaGGoXB/2Y8P9XUG2JeQo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=YNeKLUArwaxNUdW6+ejziGLbu/dHpSgTIfD23BwHXW3WASwT3AXKwvr8batvPayNI/EVn72IU07nXgWL38cKlA9S+Zu2tk2rC0AEjsFR3eap6yMjxu/J9b/wzoY0RE/pFARn/MidtvdIesT4396+pRLi+EHF9kXa6rf6Gqz6ycCjB7WCCdS0jc1Azb4zWzUYWaA+hozhsAVZUrIFr138YCAMXKTZWVLqJcYz8wWXSVcKcSlcKLKla1eIz+mLeA/4oJW2mNjV53T1j19NBPrEKStLGJk/nWtsxMXtnqHyCKKqhaqV7kh3l19GWMFREMMCcqgMwinmBXGGz1DRwDAbng== Received: from [212.82.98.50] by nm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2016 16:19:18 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.72] by tm3.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2016 16:19:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2016 16:19:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 635955.45507.bm@smtp109.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 5sBeWtkVM1nN2P1yxegsqyctSO5nR2Rlf7pFc8Vzjte9RRv ScvyA0GrjChiFArERaeWt9y4ysQLEyk6e7LppofDzNOo9ulqH5BM8C21byF7 zmUbIDcaPYaJyoRoTS5P9GP0pwhcpuoQWa4OVifOH2MOAx6MlitgwmxlPSoc o_zdWAv.5O35krr_7zJcXTn0kHbHE4IbuPovKFhy3F_8WiXkI2DpRwJ53tF. julrLLJJ3DEq5PpbtCH7JxqFDR_oyry0qbyoXNXGq674quC0A0R3GL6VFmLC SiBtinGkTSwMAPdlKSBkOGyRs7yA0r5NF4w5BFpstK_VRu4gmuUX5b4iaVI9 cqAzvB9BxlZExMNjK7L0e0JFtnC0RjuQfJp7OoGWED4LF8PfLlhS_lkPqhd4 VK9f9MCUTy3dLBQAm6H1GHp.kUckA1FVJlEJyTgLAyidrmy._JElxubBei7J .PsRyTPlalaoLBhNhQBi9E0ley7ll.sM.OCCe6k1zqCfMaFNH_OrXmeu5ixz 2jP5P2brKSDubHuW7B8WdzWnXDsIV4SIQvZOUk6PUxTXYzXoGPBjd3w-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: mX392iiswBAeJNdO_s.EW62LZDJR Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:19:16 +0200 From: Eduardo Morras To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: pkg assert error when locking libressl package Message-Id: <20160609181916.b944430fd2de65c1d63973be@yahoo.es> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:21:58 -0000 Hi, I'm making a switch from openssl to libressl. I installed from ports some apps to use it explicitly, but when I use pkg to upgrade all packages, it (pkg) insist to remove libressl and install openssl and reinstall my "libressl-compiled-from-ports-apps", so I locked libressl with `#pkg lock libressl` and the other apps (Postgresql9.5*, nginx, ...) After lock them, I retry the `#pkg upgrade` but get this assertion fail. Processing candidates (56 candidates): 100% Checking integrity... libressl-2.3.5 is locked and may not be modified Assertion failed: (cun != NULL), function pkg_conflicts_check_chain_conflict, file pkg_jobs_conflicts.c, line 498. Child process pid=65545 terminated abnormally: Abort trap My system: x86_64, Freebsd 10.2-RELEASE-p19 (latest) pkg version: # pkg version | grep pkg pkg-1.8.4 < And here are the questions: a) Is it a bug in pkg or a expected assert on this scenary? Do any pkg developer need more info? b) How can I switch, in a safe way, from openssl to libressl? c) If switch is not possible for FreeBSD 10.2, how can they `live together`? d) Anyone knows if there are plans for FreeBSD11 base (/usr/src/) on this topic? Thanks in advance --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 17:54:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD86B7049D; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 17:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [84.22.110.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB54F13AF; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 17:54:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0E4EB387E10; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 19:54:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 19:54:35 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Getting CARP to broadcast on a different interface Message-ID: <20160609175434.GA2155@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160608192347.GE8540@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160608163033.GC8540@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 17:54:45 -0000 --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't believe it but I managed to do this: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff [2016-06-08 18:30 +0200] : > Then, I could use devd to assign the public failover IP (that I actually > wanted to share with CARP on vtnet0) to the public interface vtnet0. > CARP(4) provides an example on how to use carp status change events for > additional scripting: >=20 > --------------------8<-------------------- >=20 > Processing of carp status change events can be set up by using the fol- > lowing devd.conf rule: >=20 > notify 0 { > match "system" "CARP"; > match "subsystem" "[0-9]+@[0-9a-z]+"; > match "type" "(MASTER|BACKUP)"; > action "/root/carpcontrol.sh $subsystem $type"; > }; >=20 > -------------------->8-------------------- >=20 > Depending von $type, carpcontrol.sh could either >=20 > ifconfig vtnet0 alias >=20 > or >=20 > ifconfig vtnet0 -alias >=20 > I am not sure whether that works but I'll post my solution if I find > one. Obviously, the following set-up is very limited to a prober configuration with CARP on a public network. However, it seems as if supporting CARP in virtualised environments isn't possible because the multicast packages would collide with those of other customers in the same network. So the only solution is to use CARP within a private network for some pseudo-CARP IP. Then, one can use the devd events that are triggered if connection via the private network is lost, to assign and remove the floating public IP that is used for failover. So, let's see how this can be done. I have three hosts A, B, and C. I could not manage to get CARP advertising over a virtual private network of my provider that connects these hosts (CARP used the wrong MAC addresses so the packets weren't translated correctly). But what I managed to get going is CARP advertising over my tinc VPN tap0. So if any host comes online and connects to the other hosts on the VPN, tinc will assign a CARP vhid on tap0. This is /usr/local/etc/tinc/host-up on host A: --------------------8<-------------------- ifconfig $INTERFACE vhid 1 advbase 01 advskew 000 pass 10.99= =2E99.99 alias -------------------->8-------------------- On host B and C the file looks exactly the same except that advbase is five seconds longer each (06 and 11 respectively). (While testing the set-up I realised that latency is too high, so that advskew wouldn't suffice.) I use exactly the same devd.conf as quoted above. I put it under /usr/local/etc/devd. Further, I did the following: sysctl net.inet.carp.preempt=3D1 which should be added to /etc/sysctl.conf. /root/carpcontrol.sh is on every host and looks like the following: --------------------8<-------------------- 1 #!/bin/sh 2 =20 3 subsystem=3D$1 4 type=3D$2 5 vhid=3D"1" 6 c_if=3D"tap0" # CARP interface 7 =20 8 e_if=3D"vtnet0" # external interface 9 IPv4=3D"" 10 IPv4_net=3D"/24" 11 IPv6=3D"" 12 IPv6_net=3D"/64" 13 =20 14 log_tag=3D"carpcontrol.sh" 15 =20 16 remove_floating_ip() { 17 if ifconfig $e_if | grep $IPv4 >/dev/null 18 then 19 ifconfig $e_if $IPv4$IPv4_net -alias && logger -t $log_tag = "Removed $IPv4 on $e_if." 20 fi 21 if ifconfig $e_if | grep $IPv6 >/dev/null 22 then 23 ifconfig $e_if inet6 $IPv6$IPv6_net -alias && logger -t $lo= g_tag "Removed $IPv6 on $e_if." 24 fi 25 } 26 =20 27 add_floating_ip() { 28 ifconfig $e_if $IPv4$IPv4_net alias && logger -t $log_tag "Assi= gned $IPv4 on $e_if." 29 ifconfig $e_if inet6 $IPv6$IPv6_net alias && logger -t $log_tag= "Assigned $IPv6 on $e_if." 30 } 31 =20 32 if [ "$subsystem" =3D "$vhid@$c_if" ] 33 then 34 case $type in=20 35 "MASTER") 36 add_floating_ip 37 ;; 38 "BACKUP") 39 remove_floating_ip 40 ;; 41 esac 42 elif [ "$subsystem" =3D "tinc-down" ] 43 then 44 remove_floating_ip 45 fi -------------------->8-------------------- Probably that's not the best way to do it and probably it could be extended but my sh-skills are quite bad. This works though. The script should be self-explanatory; the only ting that might be unclear are lines 42-45. This is triggered by /usr/local/etc/tinc-down: --------------------8<-------------------- /root/carpcontrol.sh tinc-down -------------------->8-------------------- So, in case I stop tincd on purpose, the floating IP will be removed and becomes free for the other machines. The second host will take over the IP after some seconds. Obviously, there are quite some drawbacks to this but it serves my purpose. Since the machines are virtualised I don't expect them to down by some hardware failure. But I do need failover in case I want to upgrade one machines and need to reboot it. In case I need to do some maintenance, I cut the machine in question =66rom the private network. For some seconds services won't be reachable but after a short while host B will take over. I can upgrade host A and restart it eventually. When host A runs again, it will connect to the tinc VPN and while advertise CARP on that network. So, host A will becomes MASTER again, host B will switch to BACKUP, and C will remain BACKUP. Nonetheless, this is not a perfect solution. "High-availability" (these quotes are on purpose) as achieved this way, depends on the connectivity between the tinc nodes. E.g., if tinc malfunctions and doesn't shutdown properly, the floating IP will stay assigned to the public interface, the other client will loose connectivity to the node, and an additional MASTER will rise. In addition, I had problems using a faster advbase because of latency, I guess, thus there will be some downtime if any MASTER goes down. In this case, the problem was that two hosts could not decide who should be MASTER because there were some connectivity problems between them on the VPN. The crux is that CARP, as implemented in FreeBSD, cannot advertise on unicast. If it could, I would have been able to assign it to the private virtual interface that connects the virtual machines. However, CARP, as implemented in OpenBSD, can do so using a feature called "carppeer". There have been requests whether/when that will be brought to FreeBSD [1-3] but the questions remained without responses.=20 1: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-net/2013-November/037106.html 2: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-net/2011-February/027999.html 3: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-pf/2009-December/005486.html So, where can I post feature requests? :-) Without a way for unicast CARP packets, FreeBSD is of much less value for virtualised environments where multicast packets are an issue because they are blocked by providers. So, setting up a failover set-up becomes a mess (such as the one above). Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff [2016-06-08 21:23 +0200] : > For that to work I must bind processes to non-local IP addresses. How do > I do that? >=20 > I found this >=20 > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2011-January/034033.h= tml >=20 > with some recommendations to do so with ipfw. Can I do something similar > with pf? Or is there even another solution for binding to non-local > addresses? No longer necessary. I use a pf rule that redirect any traffic arriving on a specific port (this could also be any traffic arriving on the pseudo-CARP IP) to the jail where the load-balancer is listening. Anyway, I'm happy for any comments and further suggestions. Niklaas --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXWa1UAAoJEG2fODeJrIU/JcQP/if7WQQrKliePAZBWeTLOdww PDEfG8NzF/ValyiMl8ihSKIZCnWZulMaWWbHrzE0eQzDVunLkG4ZbtmF4eyXPyC8 hpSKUFnlbsBmogSyLegxjP3U5XxQR4y8HJKXLvhNlYfjWta9q3Vuvlg/SL7Lzp3J 1hvwl/jsuexM/qwRaVT4ueRq3UM1lvtS2oun605JAIkw3bhQOoCVVCYX9VQGNriu vzPIVAp9/NP6u44mJRnyxU0ChJDdXQF8evggkACIaRmZV0Jgg3oKuf71jQ0k7d0X 5F9ODt7ZQLrLonQ0jd9eMn9bEMmYStQgBhQywuTCFneoe7ahuM/ds9/hpYpx3TRR jiiuy1hdTvgL+lYV+N3cVmpka+k9c1od2VBGKmf8nzwKadsrv9Yi9ywUYgwjaKnB FdwqEBq/fEd5PiiljmQDsELfacFP2cRbkN3W0dvSEwUVmQlXNIh0abcoOCSzag6Z tnxc8ebTKHcP6QUMQX12l9V7ehU5J2KVCG3ABs2VQGcmrXJBPdx+Vm37oIqf/RCW LS0wZ3zZxGV06NylL5fYgo/8gi7XIiW9MxpkdNlyRLVZPB0ji0eP1NzXyaK5jY+F YXwa92mMMZ35biLQGxXr1UwigkFKnphsqCWuXHhML4wJ/e+cF7XZbDMvcnx5Z9Kp /+1P6QX1apt6qlGHhmFC =nede -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 18:37:17 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607C5B7034D for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:37:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 546E81C82 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:37:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:37:14 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p35, package samba44 -- where is SWAT or samba-tool? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5758C0B9.8070207@holgerdanske.com> <44oa7abl6j.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <5759B762.7060808@holgerdanske.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:37:22 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44oa7abl6j.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 18:37:17 -0000 On 06/09/2016 05:28 AM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > David Christensen writes: >> It appears samba44 does not include samba-tool. > > It's in the plist, and it doesn't seem to be controlled by any options. > > Does "pkg info -l samba44|grep samba-tool" not show it? Thanks for the reply. Running your command: 2016-06-09 11:21:05 toor@p42800e ~ # pkg info -l samba44|grep samba-tool pkg: No package(s) matching samba44 Checking if Samba is installed: 2016-06-09 11:21:13 toor@p42800e ~ # pkg info | grep samba I thought I installed samba44 yesterday: 2016-06-08 16:36:43 toor@p42800e ~ # pkg install samba44 ... ===> NOTICE: The gamin port currently does not have a maintainer. As a result, it is more likely to have unresolved issues, not be up-to-date, or even be removed in the future. To volunteer to maintain this port, please create an issue at: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla More information about port maintainership is available at: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/ports-contributing.html#maintain-port Perhaps there was an error between the keyboard and the seat. Try again: 2016-06-09 11:21:22 toor@p42800e ~ # pkg install samba44 Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... FreeBSD repository is up-to-date. All repositories are up-to-date. Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) The following 1 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): New packages to be INSTALLED: samba44: 4.4.3_1 The process will require 122 MiB more space. Proceed with this action? [y/N]: y [1/1] Installing samba44-4.4.3_1... [1/1] Extracting samba44-4.4.3_1: 100% Message from samba44-4.4.3_1: =============================================================================== How to start: http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4/HOWTO * Your configuration is: /usr/local/etc/smb4.conf * All the relevant databases are under: /var/db/samba4 * All the logs are under: /var/log/samba4 * Provisioning script is: /usr/local/bin/samba-tool For additional documentation check: http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4 Bug reports should go to the: https://bugzilla.samba.org/ =============================================================================== That looks more like it. Now I have samba-tool: 2016-06-09 11:26:23 toor@p42800e ~ # which samba-tool /usr/local/bin/samba-tool Thanks for the help. :-) David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 18:43:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2518FB70561 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:43:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-f53.google.com (mail-it0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F14BF10D4 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-f53.google.com with SMTP id a5so45380691ita.1 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 11:43:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=0jBZpw4WNxs49VzmAwJ3nfrV7iiCZ7BCmYjHOXTjM0c=; b=Z2RvtWxVRG0rZhcoWZjxqC5KyEdDrMxUC2WzOxu888G2vMfEkbyrgJ7vQWJoPNhbmB fh4WRc3dR5MO2k0HMzDOigGOMiNGF2rMMTNNEwvD7HxMg7MFi7uvwa6Rpo3akTE7odIu ZYzj0yqCXU0Ydc1Xn8LzOBF0t9lAV4mjWZ4YNGLDmWUgdAp/kViN6Ac2kJ5+yU3zgIBw j2zlWBxaewUsXv3spMXXxJ0208kJkuBpE2c7E2v3kHtn6dlasQuL1MUsNUHW17BDup45 mi+zUDCOP2NKcqjV12CcionmK9P3y1FyU6d83yHZ6MWCw+bENDtPkZavaxJCSeQvo3SQ 4atw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLRehf8IngQHceHjY1iXEgJEIZJ3jC7//oaNwsnyTHse9ka46ppjrZDvFHHpLvgJg== X-Received: by 10.36.19.16 with SMTP id 16mr20690911itz.76.1465497826620; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 11:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (174-30-204-156.mpls.qwest.net. [174.30.204.156]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 127sm3773875iov.34.2016.06.09.11.43.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Jun 2016 11:43:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <45577.128.135.52.6.1465422185.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <19828.128.135.52.6.1465484549.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Cc: Christian Baer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop In-reply-to: <19828.128.135.52.6.1465484549.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:43:46 -0500 Message-ID: <864m9242zh.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 18:43:53 -0000 Valeri Galtsev writes: > Intel WiFi adapters with model numbers 6xxx and 7xxx require some > additions/modifications to wireless stack on FreeBSD. These adapters will > not work under FreeBSD. If you're reading this message, then you can be absolutely certain that the Intel Centrino 6205 chip---the kind shipped in the exact make and model of the laptop the OP is interested in---works just fine with FreeBSD. The 10.1-RELEASE installer automatically detected and configured it. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 18:48:33 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1376FB70668 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F3F127A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id C4324CB8CA0; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 13:48:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 13:48:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42605.128.135.52.6.1465498111.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <864m9242zh.fsf@WorkBox.Home> References: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <45577.128.135.52.6.1465422185.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <19828.128.135.52.6.1465484549.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <864m9242zh.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 13:48:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 18:48:33 -0000 On Thu, June 9, 2016 1:43 pm, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > > Valeri Galtsev writes: > >> Intel WiFi adapters with model numbers 6xxx and 7xxx require some >> additions/modifications to wireless stack on FreeBSD. These adapters >> will >> not work under FreeBSD. > > If you're reading this message, then you can be absolutely certain that > the Intel Centrino 6205 chip---the kind shipped in the exact make and > model of the laptop the OP is interested in---works just fine with > FreeBSD. The 10.1-RELEASE installer automatically detected and > configured it. > Then, stealing someone's phrase, it should have been pilot's error on my side. Back to the drawing board. My apologies, everybody, please, ignore what I've said about Intel 6xxx adapters. Valeri > -- > > :: Brandon J. Wandersee > :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com > :: -------------------------------------------------- > :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' > :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 19:07:06 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E771FB70C17 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 19:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-f177.google.com (mail-io0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0D351223 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 19:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-f177.google.com with SMTP id o127so477342iod.2 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 12:07:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=EwWReMuJmXDXVJX81Ws2lzfHnkdeeeXlEG9yr4mfaUY=; b=KcN+w4zNlCVSYelPA0kyuzYU+0ALIM1xCH1dnmC+AH+sjfZvb1zv7c94QecjEcSk8B 7HdU/5DK8iyR2cZwfEtenCZ878aoTvolEjMKxhscvY59WlbnQfEdDLrlO5onUJLJwNU2 ZuNBsKkxH8DIEYqmMmA/J2SBC4QClH4rjXD29xkc3/EJJsunnIzf0k3jtk1cykPij/RC +H6XQzm5veQIOPA9kLbGJGhuLpzfNbi3vXciCpu/j0TWXE/E1Hc749RZpH5DJaZaz2Ji dxbCLCcn+yb5x00WzuyUEZoh6NDFxotOEgLDnWHI7vxczxBgFx6RUZSlwz+bMDVJwCNc VQzg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLP66EsHAmYRqTqJRhPNeapbIAXoMdiJrt6/7rTFIZUJLK4bvUejAVZtPSP6P/Oig== X-Received: by 10.107.37.19 with SMTP id l19mr19908932iol.75.1465499219898; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 12:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (174-30-204-156.mpls.qwest.net. [174.30.204.156]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w70sm3809299itc.4.2016.06.09.12.06.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Jun 2016 12:06:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Christian Baer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 14:07:00 -0500 Message-ID: <8637om41wr.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 19:07:07 -0000 Christian Baer writes: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 06/08/16 21:06, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > >> I would add that you should make sure the model(s) they have for >> sale feature the Intel WiFi chip, rather than the stock Realtek >> chip. > > Was this actually an option you could choose when the T520 was new or > were the WiFi chips choses by what Lenovo could get their hands on at > the time? Is there any way of telling this from the outside? It was, but I skimped on it when I purchased it. It dropped connections pretty regularly, so I upgraded to the Intel Centrino 6205 later. > BTW. Do either of these WiFi chips support 5Ghz? The Intel one does, yes.[1] [1]: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/wireless-products/centrino-advanced-n-6205.html -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 21:48:56 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45447B705F9 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 21:48:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 399DB10D9 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 21:48:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:48:54 -0700 Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <57586E36.40509@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <5759E44E.1020402@holgerdanske.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:49:02 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:48:56 -0000 On 06/09/2016 07:06 AM, Christian Baer wrote: > On 06/08/16 21:12, David Christensen wrote: >> Dual+ boot is a PITA -- been there, done that, got the scars. I >> prefer one small, fast SSD for each OS instance. I'd get a laptop >> with an easy to swap HDD/SSD or a laptop that can hold 2+ drives. > > So people keep saying. I don't quite get why though. I've been playing > around with dual boot systems since I ran OS/2 2.1 - which is a few > years back BTW. :-) I stuck with OS/2 until Warp4 but even when that was > released, IBM had already dug OS/2's grave. During that time I already > started to play with Linux and due to frustration with the concept of > Linux I went to FreeBSD at v3.3. After seeing the OS/2 boot loader, I > always wondered why the other boot loaders out there (esp. the FreeBSD > one) weren't more like that one. > > Today I have a dual boot system at home with FreeBSD for most of my > stuff and Windows 7 for gaming and certain apps I cannot get to run with > Wine. > > Have I been missing out on all the fun here? :-P My comment is based on my experiences with desktops and servers. I discovered HDD mobile racks years ago, and have not dual booted since. My laptop has an easily-accessible HDD bay (2 screws), so I use the same strategy. (Note that laptop HDD bays and connectors are not designed for frequent drive swapping. Second HDD caddies that fit into the optical drive bay are usually recommended for this use case.) If you're happy with dual-boot, then go for it. >> I've had the best luck with Intel parts -- processors, chip sets, >> graphics, sound, networking, etc.. Other brands just cause >> problems and/or don't last -- especially NVIDIA. > > Is this a general rule or are you only referring to mobile adapter from > nVidia? General rule (see below for more details). >> I was looking for a used laptop that is known-good with FreeBSD a >> few months back: >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2016-March/270997 > .html > > Interesting >> >> > thread. Thanks for the link! > >> I never bought one, but my searches led me to Dell Inspiron with >> second-generation Core i processors. Latitude and/or Precision are >> appealing, but it's hard to find examples without NVIDIA or ATI >> graphics (other than brand new, which are very expensive). > > May I ask why you went to all the trouble researching the hardware an > then never bought that laptop your wanted? I have a Dell Inspiron E1505 that I bought in 2007. Mine came with a 32-bit processor, and, as best I could tell, they all did. I wanted 64-bit. So, I started looking for a replacement laptop. STFW I found out that certain later model 64-bit Core Duo processors were known to work in that laptop. I bought a Intel Core Duo T7400, installed it, and it works. > Since I have kept away from mobile hardware for quite a while now, I > don't know much about the mobile graphics cards (chips). In both my > computer at home and in my workstation in the office, I have an nVidia > card installed. Both work very will with the drivers from nVidia. I have > real a lot about the open source drivers having "issues". Normally this > should decrease for AMD graphics because of the open source nature, but > it seems they are mainly targeting the Linux kernel, which doesn't help > FreeBSD all that much. > > What's the deal with nVidia's mobile chips? I can only infer that the leaders of most for-profit corporations believe that the best way to monetize their intellectual property investments is by treating them as trade secrets. "You want to use our hardware? Sign the NDA, License, and Support agreements, and write a check." Even if a company (such as NVIDIA) releases a binary driver that "works" for their engineers on a given computer (proprietary software and/or FOSS), getting and keeping the hardware working in the general case without unencumbered vendor assistance is difficult at best. Intel makes it less difficult by releasing reference source code for some of their hardware. So, more software works on that Intel hardware. One alternative to the trade secret approach is open-source hardware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_hardware_projects#Computer_systems (I'm in the market for an open-source hardware SOHO router that runs pfSense, if anyone knows of such.) 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[142.177.233.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r143sm4140213ita.15.2016.06.09.15.14.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Jun 2016 15:14:55 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Duane Whitty Subject: List etiquette X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1210 Cc: duane@nofroth.com Message-ID: <5759EA5D.3050501@nofroth.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 19:14:53 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 22:14:56 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hello, I would like to pose a question to a specific user on the thread "advice for buying a laptop" on freebsd-questions@. Should I send the question to the list only, or list and cc (or bcc) user, or just to the user? I would hope the etiquette includes the list as I think the answer could be potentially valuable to others. Best Regards, Duane Whitty -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXWepdAAoJEOJfpr8UVxtkk7gH/1NYPTqZLH/waWu/D5YhHhZm WdeRLdW8KpMiqnN9jkUBdds4oYNjufcwdyVU5tFFLvqR7TjeNgH+cwJVsq4ess6j RTWqWYgnKtefNk8Q7jVfm/oOYmcJAitQdJvmfnJgEHDJUY4M2diCN01P7Udmht2S LFMcFGYRN+FK5bT9uelyLjDu/f39F9H2GFYRE8n1MRC7qJkQ7yNdgYjD9N+/JeIe AS76n2UYr8jM5Br6EkLh+F8TMblAAIl7/EEfwnxeMle/1THsf19zX+kbkzQwdC/B tqq2LNXyqh6ijmuPnyzyn9pL2mfLDysSMrvpWcH7XZUiHhKXjdHj+TIxAmCOM1M= =mHGE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 22:31:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1444B70352 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:31:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90925142A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:31:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 38B82CB8CA4; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 17:31:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 17:31:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <10767.128.135.52.6.1465511484.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <42605.128.135.52.6.1465498111.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <45577.128.135.52.6.1465422185.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <19828.128.135.52.6.1465484549.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <864m9242zh.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <42605.128.135.52.6.1465498111.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 17:31:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Cc: "Brandon J. Wandersee" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 22:31:30 -0000 On Thu, June 9, 2016 1:48 pm, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Thu, June 9, 2016 1:43 pm, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: >> >> Valeri Galtsev writes: >> >>> Intel WiFi adapters with model numbers 6xxx and 7xxx require some >>> additions/modifications to wireless stack on FreeBSD. These adapters >>> will >>> not work under FreeBSD. >> >> If you're reading this message, then you can be absolutely certain that >> the Intel Centrino 6205 chip---the kind shipped in the exact make and >> model of the laptop the OP is interested in---works just fine with >> FreeBSD. The 10.1-RELEASE installer automatically detected and >> configured it. >> > > Then, stealing someone's phrase, it should have been pilot's error on my > side. > > Back to the drawing board. My apologies, everybody, please, ignore what > I've said about Intel 6xxx adapters. > I confirm, what Brandon said is correct: 6xxx series Intel adapters work under FreeBSD. What I said is only applicable to 7xxx of Intel wireless adapters: they do not work under FreeBSD (need changes to wireless stack). I guess, bottom line is: avoid Intel 7xxx for now. Thanks, Brandon, for correcting me! Valeri > Valeri > >> -- >> >> :: Brandon J. Wandersee >> :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com >> :: -------------------------------------------------- >> :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' >> :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- >> > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 22:44:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F59B70832 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B3751E73 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [38.64.177.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A9AD4101C5 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/A9AD4101C5; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: List etiquette To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5759EA5D.3050501@nofroth.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <64d93f2e-4f06-600c-a7cc-c4d1628f7b17@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:44:01 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5759EA5D.3050501@nofroth.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n10OBferuSieRPMBUrg7vuOmLVwgDaR6U" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.1 at smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 22:44:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --n10OBferuSieRPMBUrg7vuOmLVwgDaR6U Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Dej43Fnuo3x3AVef9NG8Qn4jV22Fhc6Ud" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <64d93f2e-4f06-600c-a7cc-c4d1628f7b17@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: List etiquette References: <5759EA5D.3050501@nofroth.com> In-Reply-To: <5759EA5D.3050501@nofroth.com> --Dej43Fnuo3x3AVef9NG8Qn4jV22Fhc6Ud Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/06/2016 18:14, Duane Whitty wrote: > I would like to pose a question to a specific user on the thread > "advice for buying a laptop" on freebsd-questions@. Should I send the > question to the list only, or list and cc (or bcc) user, or just to > the user? I would hope the etiquette includes the list as I think the > answer could be potentially valuable to others. It's generally better to keep the list in the loop when asking questions -- it's fine to respond to what a specific person is saying with the expectation they're going to reply in turn and there will be a back-and-forth conversation. However, you don't have any assurance that anyone *will* necessarily reply to any specific message and you really can't insist that any specific person does respond to you. Chances are that if person A doesn't respond, one of the other list denizens probably will. 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[142.177.233.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u27sm4245890iou.38.2016.06.09.16.21.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:21:01 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd@edvax.de, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: duane@nofroth.com From: Duane Whitty Subject: Dell Latitude D630 and FreeBSD X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <5759F9DB.3070806@nofroth.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 20:20:59 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 23:21:03 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi Polytropon, If I may refer to one of your posts "Re: advice for buying a laptop" 16-06-08, you write: "Last year I made a Dell Latitude D630 with FreeBSD 10, and it works better than my home Aldi PC!" I also have a Dell Latitude D630. I was wondering if you are using wifi on it? If I recall correctly I had some trouble in that FreeBSD 10(?) wasn't picking up my wifi card. $ lspci (output trimmed) 09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5755M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02) 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01) FreeBSD had no trouble with the Ethernet nic but I had no success at the time with wireless. Hopefully you can confirm for me that this has changed. Best Regards, Duane Whitty -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXWfnbAAoJEOJfpr8UVxtkMdgIAJjUOZynUorPwhzv7Ye5rJTa DJKSzMvOQcVP4tObv4wqFyKy48Kxa+uXHI4EI/GYcwyVK6tApWOO0IDQiUzTKGg1 Soms6+hBedrwEC93fssR++DYN8uQANzLdasO9k1k2dKiNdqy68G6rQkEVBT3NcD7 3e5R33vvLGXHzeyHycwJ4nwwIKC2ms0m+CSgdqWfJw5E1zoJ3ZL19KnQs4z9VzO7 7RkEbQCv0x3LYzP1TWcWQtm0H6gGr+KGJ/3243121tkPpZBcmmuXPHLrKbl1rnzm o+Vz8vUjjW2u+Bos80hOEk/O0mhBwDelDuYJCAZr29l62BflvICS7BagSCOciu4= =QIoP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 23:25:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26EFB70094 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 23:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4FC3116F for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 23:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=i5meRRiyCQ8BtCYsuR2BiZnxaPhT00BqIh4sz0hfE04=; b=w2PKL1SMMl4DMmIvxGowv/ujPz /kExzbpfhOVOk2cFhoMro3FzwTqxXADEDqaJ6fFmKG4WBL5fZAe1Dof3w4DGU/7IxhlZdQqM3mjWE fKEjoi08uU7k3NFToUQfVMYisVO4Hy4oJxiGKVVrE96q6jiU8vL0ytd3EyH+oVbE9wVk=; Received: from [114.121.233.87] (port=16741 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bB9K1-003dnQ-7o; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 17:25:09 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 07:25:03 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: jd1008 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HOME, Home and home in tcsh Message-ID: <20160610072503.4483a6ac@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <57598FFD.9020004@gmail.com> References: <20160609102944.39f0e4c2@X220.alogt.com> <20160609045645.f98518c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <57598FFD.9020004@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Authenticated-Sender: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 23:25:17 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 09 Jun 2016 09:49:17 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > On 06/08/2016 08:56 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:29:44 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > [...] > > > > home Initialized to the home directory of the invoker. > > The filename expansion of `~' refers to this variable. > > > > [...] > > > > HOME Equivalent to the home shell variable. > > > > > > > > > +1 > Shell make no use of $Home. > this is the idea. I needed a variable representing something like Home which is not used by the system itself. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 03:48:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39304B71537 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:48:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F02511EE7 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:48:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-61-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.61.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0CBD24C9D; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 05:48:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u5A3mg3w002069; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 05:48:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 05:48:41 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Duane Whitty Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dell Latitude D630 and FreeBSD Message-Id: <20160610054841.464e243c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5759F9DB.3070806@nofroth.com> References: <5759F9DB.3070806@nofroth.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:48:52 -0000 On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 20:20:59 -0300, Duane Whitty wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi Polytropon, > > If I may refer to one of your posts "Re: advice for buying a laptop" > 16-06-08, you write: > > "Last year I made a Dell Latitude D630 with FreeBSD 10, and it works > better than my home Aldi PC!" > > I also have a Dell Latitude D630. I was wondering if you are using > wifi on it? Yes, that one worked as intended. The one included in this model is compatible with the "wpi" driver. I followed the examples in the handbook's WiFi section and it worked. wlans_wpi0="wlan0" ifconfig_wlan0="WPA DHCP" netif_enable="YES" I've even tried a GUI tool for connecting, but _that_ didn't work as I thought. Maybe it was meant for Linux, not for FreeBSD. :-) > If I recall correctly I had some trouble in that FreeBSD > 10(?) wasn't picking up my wifi card. > > $ lspci > > (output trimmed) > > 09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5755M > Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02) > 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g > WLAN (rev 01) > > FreeBSD had no trouble with the Ethernet nic but I had no success at > the time with wireless. Hopefully you can confirm for me that this > has changed. Yes. The laptop in question has been initialized with FreeBSD 10 and follows the RELEASE update path. The GENERIC kernel has all the parts needed: "wpi" for wireless, "bge" for wired NIC. Check the output of "pciconf -lv | less" to confirm that the correct driver has been activated for that particular hardware. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Jun 2016, 19:14:53 -0300, Duane Whitty wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > I would like to pose a question to a specific user on the thread > "advice for buying a laptop" on freebsd-questions@. Should I send the > question to the list only, or list and cc (or bcc) user, or just to > the user? I would hope the etiquette includes the list as I think the > answer could be potentially valuable to others. In case there is a solution, it should be shared and found by search engines. I solve about 95% of my problems by reading earlier discussions. 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[203.185.44.176]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o31sm4427837ota.17.2016.06.09.21.17.38 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <575a3f63.22229d0a.b7b65.3728@mx.google.com> From: Gift Electronics X-Google-Original-From: "Gift Electronics" Subject: Hot Sale Power Bank and Car Charger To: "freebsd-questions" Reply-To: sales@feetek.com Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:19:02 +0800 X-Mailer: Foxmail 6, 13, 102, 15 [cn] Content-Disposition: inline MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 04:17:41 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 06:23:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C48B711FE for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 06:23:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gosha-necr@yandex.ru) Received: from forward5h.cmail.yandex.net (forward5h.cmail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:f35::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92B771528 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 06:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gosha-necr@yandex.ru) Received: from mxback4h.mail.yandex.net (mxback4h.mail.yandex.net [84.201.187.141]) by forward5h.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 352F621084 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:23:24 +0300 (MSK) Received: from web16h.yandex.ru (web16h.yandex.ru [84.201.186.45]) by mxback4h.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id gSau89cY0i-NNTCGSNr; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:23:23 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1465539803; bh=0i+/0BU6mOURZ9NJeYz10JeH46r0kTuG1LphV3/N9II=; h=X-Yandex-Sender-Uid:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-Id: X-Mailer:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type; b=Pu37KHHf55o/hknZg9QjTd2ivHCKBn78O/mYgbYr/Msj/t9VHah3u/h7jcPCGh6ng CuOpOElu03iKE+LR7sScB7peKLntsOXC6JzTRIeDGYW0Qzo587pz/MO9bLSoo0uQ2E eAUaop3Wg8+1Tl2yDtDwmAIJX2PHe4sRXr2e8fGs= Authentication-Results: mxback4h.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru X-Yandex-Suid-Status: 1 0,1 16004173 X-Yandex-Sender-Uid: 7252693 Received: by web16h.yandex.ru with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:23:23 +0300 From: =?utf-8?B?0JPRg9C70Y/QtdCyINCT0L7RiNCw?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with re0 on 10.3-STABLE MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <1372751465539803@web16h.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:23:23 +0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 06:23:29 -0000 Good day! I have a problem on FreeBSD BSD-MAIN 10.3-STABLE FreeBSD 10.3-STABLE #0 r301036: Tue May 31 18:45:21 NSK 2016 server@BSD-MAIN:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BSDSERV amd64 Sometimes server network interface goes down with messages: Jun 10 10:42:09 BSD-MAIN devd: Executing '/etc/rc.d/dhclient quietstart re0' Jun 10 10:44:45 BSD-MAIN kernel: re0: watchdog timeout Jun 10 10:44:45 BSD-MAIN kernel: re0: link state changed to DOWN Jun 10 10:44:49 BSD-MAIN kernel: re0: link state changed to UP Jun 10 10:44:49 BSD-MAIN devd: Executing '/etc/rc.d/dhclient quietstart re0' Jun 10 10:47:49 BSD-MAIN kernel: re0: watchdog timeout Jun 10 10:47:49 BSD-MAIN kernel: re0: link state changed to DOWN Jun 10 10:47:53 BSD-MAIN kernel: re0: link state changed to UP Jun 10 10:47:53 BSD-MAIN devd: Executing '/etc/rc.d/dhclient quietstart re0' Jun 10 10:50:55 BSD-MAIN kernel: re0: watchdog timeout Jun 10 10:50:55 BSD-MAIN kernel: re0: link state changed to DOWN Jun 10 10:50:59 BSD-MAIN kernel: re0: link state changed to UP Jun 10 10:50:59 BSD-MAIN devd: Executing '/etc/rc.d/dhclient quietstart re0' Jun 10 10:54:03 BSD-MAIN kernel: re0: watchdog timeout Jun 10 10:54:03 BSD-MAIN kernel: re0: link state changed to DOWN Jun 10 10:54:07 BSD-MAIN kernel: re0: link state changed to UP Jun 10 10:54:07 BSD-MAIN devd: Executing '/etc/rc.d/dhclient quietstart re0' Only way to get working are reboot. It somethink similar to PCBSD issue discussed here: https://bugs.pcbsd.org/issues/1850 Is it have any solution? That is device onboard: hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x5a141002 chip=0x5a141002 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (external gfx0 port B)' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI none0@pci0:0:0:2: class=0x080600 card=0x5a231002 chip=0x5a231002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'RD990 I/O Memory Management Unit (IOMMU)' class = base peripheral subclass = IOMMU pcib1@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x060400 card=0x5a141002 chip=0x5a161002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI express gpp port B)' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib2@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x060400 card=0x5a141002 chip=0x5a181002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI express gpp port D)' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib3@pci0:0:7:0: class=0x060400 card=0x5a141002 chip=0x5a1b1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI express gpp port G)' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI ahci0@pci0:0:17:0: class=0x010601 card=0x84dd1043 chip=0x43911002 rev=0x40 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [AHCI mode]' class = mass storage subclass = SATA ohci0@pci0:0:18:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x43971002 chip=0x43971002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:0:18:2: class=0x0c0320 card=0x43961002 chip=0x43961002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ohci1@pci0:0:19:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x43971002 chip=0x43971002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci1@pci0:0:19:2: class=0x0c0320 card=0x43961002 chip=0x43961002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB none1@pci0:0:20:0: class=0x0c0500 card=0x43851002 chip=0x43851002 rev=0x42 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SBx00 SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus none2@pci0:0:20:2: class=0x040300 card=0x84451043 chip=0x43831002 rev=0x40 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' class = multimedia subclass = HDA isab0@pci0:0:20:3: class=0x060100 card=0x439d1002 chip=0x439d1002 rev=0x40 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 LPC host controller' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA pcib4@pci0:0:20:4: class=0x060401 card=0x00000000 chip=0x43841002 rev=0x40 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI ohci2@pci0:0:20:5: class=0x0c0310 card=0x43991002 chip=0x43991002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI2 Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB pcib5@pci0:0:21:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00001002 chip=0x43a01002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB700/SB800/SB900 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 0)' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI ohci3@pci0:0:22:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x43971002 chip=0x43971002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci2@pci0:0:22:2: class=0x0c0320 card=0x43961002 chip=0x43961002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB hostb1@pci0:0:24:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x16001022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 15h Processor Function 0' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb2@pci0:0:24:1: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x16011022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 15h Processor Function 1' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb3@pci0:0:24:2: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x16021022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 15h Processor Function 2' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb4@pci0:0:24:3: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x16031022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 15h Processor Function 3' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb5@pci0:0:24:4: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x16041022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 15h Processor Function 4' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb6@pci0:0:24:5: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x16051022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 15h Processor Function 5' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI re0@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x85051043 chip=0x816810ec rev=0x09 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' device = 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' class = network subclass = ethernet xhci0@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x0c0330 card=0x84881043 chip=0x10421b21 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'ASMedia Technology Inc.' device = 'ASM1042 SuperSpeed USB Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB vgapci0@pci0:5:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0xe235174b chip=0x67791002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 / R5 230 OEM]' class = display subclass = VGA none3@pci0:5:0:1: class=0x040300 card=0xaa98174b chip=0xaa981002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'Caicos HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6400 Series]' class = multimedia subclass = HDA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 06:52:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E5DB716EC; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 06:52:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [84.22.110.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCEBD116F; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 06:52:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 41B0E385528; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:52:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:52:25 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: And what about ipv6_defaultrouter? Message-ID: <20160610065224.GB2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 06:52:30 -0000 --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, according to my provider, both the IPv6 and the default gateway for my virtual server are sent via router advertisements. So, I have the following in rc.conf: --------------------8<-------------------- ifconfig_vtnet0=3D"DHCP" ifconfig_vtnet0_ipv6=3D"inet6 accept_rtadv" rtsold_enable=3D"YES" -------------------->8-------------------- Although the machine gets an IPv6, the inet6 default route is not added. Why is that? Something else I need to include? (Interestingly, these were the default settings in rc.conf that I get with a fresh install =66rom my provider. Nevertheless, they don't seem to work.) Well, I thought "no problem" and added the following line: --------------------8<-------------------- ipv6_defaultrouter=3D"" -------------------->8-------------------- But still, after rebooting there is no default route visible when I `netstat -6rn`. Following this, the server is not connected via IPv6. However, if I run route -6 add default manually, the route will be added without problems and I get IPv6 connectivity. Why is that? Do I need an additional setting for the server to accept the advertised default route? Niklaas --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXWmOhAAoJEG2fODeJrIU/cHMP/jpVntqrOTGNEKy3UZAGjwO7 i/p0zCj6iDIEK0GNSbUuUQyKkR9TfKhC+3v1JhB/tLQLo2gW2B/HMseWI3AbA0Vo OMOXzSmqVpQGXCwJP/TnWjQYNsvXZv3ExVpoEkSoKSpLilTC/wXrDIZQbF2OdRrz 0On2mmjhkJEJMWZjUhfunAS0wjDo2KecBXRxake3fTqgNQVhEScNbegURT0nNpw0 HliH1mFuGHy4M3bPW3rbZeh37nN+Cfgc/LACi2MDZ8TfBQm2E15MafcjOf2pR3XE JBS0OHZk9XF5OMVwqlfbvpIazJOmxIyMB9j8Uf5LUqs1gc13wQ+MjNuOrx278gYS YSY++c5PVtZIJFGrre2Od4GmN3XRoqIkJOEc4vSP5niHc+sU1ImiwxBGhyBmWx6j T5O5WxkMTNbL7huEKVofu2Jaf2AsJUsb6JdHu7L6pEJwVk4vNzBgwhpLmUucGHFi SL36pdxE/p5vnJy4NxOpiawPYsiDfDJo11KLifj0aBnX5denVoRe6esXODpbNhoA 1k2dtM9BE9589ISgqLWKq3NI8j6lojUscHQI0/do8r6Ot754OliVh9+62ioZyUx0 z9HokKSTQHEqHThOC56wKCmUWllaKU9lY3DFLEDJirk4WLEfELXaPjaVRekfC4dx ySlho1cM0ROtcP8Y1p61 =lbER -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 07:12:58 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7F2B71B5B; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 07:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [IPv6:2a02:2770:15:0:21a:4aff:feaa:e902]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9ED1E93; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 07:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4A922385528; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:12:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:12:54 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: And what about ipv6_defaultrouter? Message-ID: <20160610071254.GC2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160610065224.GB2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160610065224.GB2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 07:12:58 -0000 --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff [2016-06-10 08:52 +0200] : > --------------------8<-------------------- > ifconfig_vtnet0="DHCP" > ifconfig_vtnet0_ipv6="inet6 accept_rtadv" > rtsold_enable="YES" > -------------------->8-------------------- [...] > --------------------8<-------------------- > ipv6_defaultrouter="" > -------------------->8-------------------- Plus these lines: --------------------8<-------------------- gateway_enable="YES" ipv6_gateway_enable="YES" -------------------->8-------------------- Niklaas --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXWmhwAAoJEG2fODeJrIU/DmMP/iOITkHhxUffYDwFMgzNEFXi LeTTxAeQYNoDIRr+ywyIrriPMwY19MHQcw9pswQFuprdHxXzwuyLoxsLQmknWcov BSVlPHjx5CQDAYpcgK7lVDfPsDgwLD5ydQnHVKVjQhyO0/T6VEKJRSe60XR2PTXE qEGAGby9cr20y7hEHTY+MiqA3lYIT1OQlCREbcbaLbKVCTLDlT5l/7wr480CV4dp UXmthw5tOmdi/iYtJ5XNt6P44kJQowq53l2q5F0cqGhUQHxTRk6tcMF1987begbA dBxdFIOB4GO8NHFotRUmOfBAQYyPXgkZv9Oq3t3EPQoqxbbsnaYT+5/8NanRXMC7 tYzNhf90oFRK6pHCkqZ/IemP5nxbhtyJUFNAPMebaQ1DPrOgCllBIDyliNpIfHw3 7Xzu3uNQcsaeYqxGCe1oTTfBMTsutWvrV2ynl4kyB+qKbU7HDf1gNinl9hV2iPAp n4hsjzWY2ytQlf2wWEQhcbGiZuscPM1fmF8+emx+XAs+n1GWdXoMZ0yZJrvzhCyw yUB6WSnQt0C6fgGbQqDsSbTa80yUg525Med6oTL101Z7Yy4VW6DEykqqYrffFB1n eiJx/AGk8bzeQimi26GKGU+UNDfNv1srrGbZOq6utrdk4Nrgfrxu2SHTpmeHMUpT FMMFSzf26XL0iRwcK8mq =dSCb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 10:23:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C89EB71123; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x229.google.com (mail-wm0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 271B1131E; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x229.google.com with SMTP id m124so95635410wme.1; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:23:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=RoQApsBeSGaBqUZJ3tMsKRbTHaIkiJQZI27vqD98ZxE=; b=g+DtpYpHsJEV6Mpvwtkt6GV1EIWlnpdP0hBh2f85FVingdBKPOmEGD10XHwVeVI3oV bVztp7V0xHDuZm6yjAKUr7lLS8yJIvHYNY67W8UyGslYUXpags5mzUz4bmSMuuo9JOos c4mfiJPo9lHq3NxmUpdsJoCzQRsxve2u6EYunxKMl0w9J3aakJBJbH9hqjuSY44RNRVL FrJB5hVS8QeGcMByG+G1Di892XNo4752VEcIrnz+J5+lQ0sKq8kN/gHCGTX/VQ8BdvkH /EnAtk0XLllf6ZMUb7hf/lKZlKcifJEaQIylBe38rNwtHZEEbHJz8xZPo3Eyp6kBaMsX iFOA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=RoQApsBeSGaBqUZJ3tMsKRbTHaIkiJQZI27vqD98ZxE=; b=OoNfYbspbOy+vgpuz5WW301MbjO6yeGwy0gMHjroaqBRBZEW1u8612bze+lJD1ac5h jT7DKHEzWM0q6iHiixb535giii4U9S6Xqy+Xna2UQymSqrgLNn5rh+uODA+uwqW8deVi zor2xKENySP/PJ9G3Jdh8lRW9TfwUxHV8hkjpUygNBYhrb7wktT3XkLI5wqFyHcucGyj SavNFALT8m5D+kwr0edLRqJn+EPuHlDkxUcdEXYXxwFYEPvecqVXIwMPk/uX93ciiVch trjZua7XP2El1f4tebpbLnD2DougB5Ex4Es+QCys87G2H2V10+WynvtyNs5ZhIrFU0uz 3mYA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJQ7thKS06jOJ5dR1CfNCnDtXcRrhKi6A63H1SWbtZ0rDk9cY/aU/wkdHoi08nXdovEv/Ld6V7HOrMD9w== X-Received: by 10.28.142.144 with SMTP id q138mr2028873wmd.30.1465554201780; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:23:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.6.12 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:23:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160610071254.GC2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> References: <20160610065224.GB2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160610071254.GC2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> From: krad Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:23:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: And what about ipv6_defaultrouter? To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:23:24 -0000 No, you should only need the if you want to act as a router for some other machines. gateway_enable="YES" ipv6_gateway_enable="YES" The following should only be required for normal ipv6 ifconfig_vtnet0_ipv6="inet6 accept_rtadv" rtsold_enable="YES" Have a look at these variables, and make sure they are set correctly or on defaults ipv6_network_interfaces=vtnet0 or ipv6_activate_all_interfaces=yes Also make sure the nic is actually up ie do and ifconfig vtnet0 up On 10 June 2016 at 08:12, Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff wrote: > Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff [2016-06-10 08:52 +0200] : > > > --------------------8<-------------------- > > ifconfig_vtnet0="DHCP" > > ifconfig_vtnet0_ipv6="inet6 accept_rtadv" > > rtsold_enable="YES" > > -------------------->8-------------------- > [...] > > --------------------8<-------------------- > > ipv6_defaultrouter="" > > -------------------->8-------------------- > > Plus these lines: > > --------------------8<-------------------- > gateway_enable="YES" > ipv6_gateway_enable="YES" > -------------------->8-------------------- > > Niklaas > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 10:23:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9ED2B71196; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x236.google.com (mail-wm0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A79314A3; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x236.google.com with SMTP id v199so142533780wmv.0; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:23:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=kQCzvnAEN4Cc6VmVrQoD8vhxGnu/yYO42MW7cmXXq/o=; b=Ksx38M8DrpNafMzp8oHd9gdk1+McfAgXzobmG3C2iJur64iq5wwmsjgSST8pynSdfG yhceychJ1yo5oEd3aDEQKZDjzblFRoafXSLAdkH7Sm260KBe8FMlENxz/SeQTfuEBxVF r0blQrUATnJp5tqdW4EDUjNJjHvgpRunqfpT5OFnCscmojfDC0xzZAwduSdntQkMQjcT 80oWGvqaebBFeCYQseeIbLtUFWQ4XpIMf8p1yIYtvoFhyebqpYZfF5+jZYC7OL16q9Xo CLWFtE4aWe9klB2yjCzTfgiJtGVblKODfSj+h7357CoptqVrA0QsCYf7cfPeso7EZZvY A/gg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=kQCzvnAEN4Cc6VmVrQoD8vhxGnu/yYO42MW7cmXXq/o=; b=D9L3CqsCktmDmJH47JAXBcwQ3YTVoqKNO1qjfk4TNCc2AC3tVZsmapiQ2eRpdREP9i 9ZRpXMOEgPKKrP/ay5OG224AgIu6ceKUvdtLyfFlxKw7UWIGm9S7ZDCtXSHO3dRztTnb GEUAQyG2A1oYUhk6cxy9f+jL/u8c5OSScqPWH8Olb3uhb+g8x0UuSaL+uz4IOCBTg6vM WvvH3BpCC1sYDub/zwXwWwuvIALfM2gFpUbqJeEzH0byArKWPLF+/+GlAWzoZ1S8ADmY lA0QR7zyZA4rykJQFIO1gxsWJSb5R5tvcJXXMgc1JTfoXTGJ80JFpW5Ub8D/xEeAcnvk uyOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tI3edH9nEc+56QZ3ZMVTUle3MsiiXg/sKpS+DAOJbFk3MVM34fbkLExO38kT5tp6QRAZLrSmFmATt0Z/Q== X-Received: by 10.195.11.103 with SMTP id eh7mr1460367wjd.56.1465554229874; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:23:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.6.12 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:23:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20160610065224.GB2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160610071254.GC2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> From: krad Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:23:49 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: And what about ipv6_defaultrouter? To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:23:51 -0000 also dont forget to check in rc.conf.local as well as rc.conf On 10 June 2016 at 11:23, krad wrote: > No, you should only need the if you want to act as a router for some other > machines. > > gateway_enable="YES" > ipv6_gateway_enable="YES" > > The following should only be required for normal ipv6 > > ifconfig_vtnet0_ipv6="inet6 accept_rtadv" > rtsold_enable="YES" > > Have a look at these variables, and make sure they are set correctly or on > defaults > > ipv6_network_interfaces=vtnet0 > or > ipv6_activate_all_interfaces=yes > > > Also make sure the nic is actually up ie do and ifconfig vtnet0 up > > On 10 June 2016 at 08:12, Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff > wrote: > >> Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff [2016-06-10 08:52 +0200] : >> >> > --------------------8<-------------------- >> > ifconfig_vtnet0="DHCP" >> > ifconfig_vtnet0_ipv6="inet6 accept_rtadv" >> > rtsold_enable="YES" >> > -------------------->8-------------------- >> [...] >> > --------------------8<-------------------- >> > ipv6_defaultrouter="" >> > -------------------->8-------------------- >> >> Plus these lines: >> >> --------------------8<-------------------- >> gateway_enable="YES" >> ipv6_gateway_enable="YES" >> -------------------->8-------------------- >> >> Niklaas >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 10:31:58 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D139AB714D2; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:31:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [84.22.110.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD4A1BA7; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:31:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9086D385528; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:31:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:31:54 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: And what about ipv6_defaultrouter? Message-ID: <20160610103154.GD2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NtwzykIc2mflq5ck" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:31:58 -0000 --NtwzykIc2mflq5ck Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable krad [2016-06-10 11:23 +0100] : > No, you should only need the if you want to act as a router for some other > machines. >=20 > gateway_enable=3D"YES" > ipv6_gateway_enable=3D"YES" I need these for jails that are connected on lo1 and a VPN tunnel on tap0. Sorry, in case that was essential information that I did not provide. Does that change your recommendations? krad [2016-06-10 11:23 +0100] : > also dont forget to check in rc.conf.local as well as rc.conf I will look into these... Niklaas --NtwzykIc2mflq5ck Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXWpcSAAoJEG2fODeJrIU/FpQP/i0VufzQ//XvwK7cDbDNXsGA PsAZzOBy8geBx1yig48jcpc1DRm+1qUUYvMgHuBOKQ5udFnGdG9zT/qidJ9/6W7y nwQ1eKUGZ6N97LdHcPZ2tmTNiiwgcM1A61WWEmDiUtGp1qMJXCTJw7HwWK3OKRYc 5xMJbzK60UNKt14mJwCGwwP9IWPBq2FfyX4Ct5vfMMyS4rHtgMCpwrEWS9Gm9O8n 5lCeU4xb+ibPBpaPTiyDrW4Io2ev8r06YrZzOFYmmeuhBLX/zaSNDj3x4a2nZdre gJcRgJ7fSQUbF1Tb7Hzx0TlZG5HR923Hf0WFvaEEVTMV1JOvX2sbp26OZsjse7Oh GsZ/ZKN2V+xHK/DKyinLOgBjwYgacSg6K4BLGp6A67u21uMjJ3IzDsR/fjblg5M4 1HhoRB9DOrpvgZ9VjUESSWUspdXtfP/8WvjxIKRH/o3R/xZFp0usDTnBYV/WrKHG Q97CYLlWRKO3JugichyLxVm8Wsv6qcuW2Dx5iiOeFiJN/kqSoGO/EsBPfqvQOGyW MXB664t+S5zKY6wcQoU0SBU+w2niKzIFRFRH8yGumMfjgLUqHDzV0vWk7d/3qJsi LiUc7y3laXuOCgAUHWQOJUIxZplNgNbV+9RqRA4hlfDNbE4wUWTKCqmYH50A5nQy kfuWtDpJvZXx7WyAUDmx =k1AE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NtwzykIc2mflq5ck-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 10:32:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C03B71529 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:32:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murk.fletcher@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x229.google.com (mail-wm0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D5D41D80 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:32:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murk.fletcher@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x229.google.com with SMTP id n184so260788944wmn.1 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:32:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jnO19cztcaKuy35UZDlkoes482xjLDKrzwTuhHfZQwU=; b=TUHT/bxAYXALEv0hooJblMx4QT8PGW0lmoU2UEg98IOSuLnyGBwSX1Vy5NWovg4JBs 7Vt7MaaKriCB9Fsb9H7+AFWCS3pp63qObNhv0I77w6GoBTZSRgx9MjBHWza/TmrWH8mo c/ubiluw3ZzmXCg3Y2LcOb5tL+xFEHJE/NhSx3XrCleajteTb1rwQaWL1/jChwzGmSaV GcHV+zrZI3nyuKrBCbh88c+JS7l8BVKk2AAQ9N+1ay54JEzAvu72h2HsvUJsoHNcvdtL RqM0wBs0S/0pl6h4siJl2bAtR5OXRtD0yEftizdnOsQSlpRJQPIaWtekvzG1HGtQGXuc SPOg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jnO19cztcaKuy35UZDlkoes482xjLDKrzwTuhHfZQwU=; b=DabF523lbNT+C83L8HWySS2NG5tiD8Ji6QZbFfdim5/lGbzMtn5RWpw2g4+WlJzq8e oO8oeZ82304jeH/jDzyU6hNZv7DM/5TMxvmQ9hk2UuMnjqe1PI8CQn8TYXth9SJR5RZH TQcEsnBkzOMzbpDuM7fMO/DgqivxIobGkzywuIfL6PXNVCU/bzzoAYTDjB14qgE4xbPf PsTNgYz6IYNBnzMjfzXpiepa+yr44j0SKzTkgalP6Zu0ZqnE9YFycllGvmEC1qvLkmfo +um/DZemFahk7iswhGclaFOVBFaW3SsqcYHS4AU2reQ9+MvzqK8GG4FSGhjXZ8z3tBGl A2NQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJP76WylEf3UW0tc3f/DKPGzFj5uH11F/riesFIdo3MKjLOEaojZ2dNMVKGjyB7sMIVE1csRpp1ywzS3Q== X-Received: by 10.194.72.103 with SMTP id c7mr1449785wjv.141.1465554737009; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:32:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.112.36 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:32:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Murk Fletcher Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:32:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop To: Christian Baer Cc: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:32:18 -0000 Hi! You sound like a creative person. As am I, therefore nothing but the latest MacBook Pro will do it for me. Product design-wise nothing even comes close, and the clearness and beauty of the retina screen not only makes it easier for your eyes, it also makes your work seem more appealing as you get to see it in greater details. I usually remove OS X, install Windows 10 with Classic Shell and other simplifications, and then run FreeBSD/OpenBSD inside VirtualBox. I therefore get the best of all worlds; all my Unix needs covered via PuTTY to localhost, plus the ability to run Adobe, Ableton etc. applications which Windows does a lot better than OS X. Thanks! --Murk On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Christian Baer < christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hey guy and gals! :-) > > For most of my life I have lived quite happily without a mobile computer > (as in a laptop). I do own an 8" Android tablet which to me is more like > a phone than anything else. It's not really good for writing longer text > s. > > The future has it in for me in that I will traveling a fair bit among > other things for my sports club. Because I need a computer on these > trips I intend to buy a laptop within the next 6 weeks or so. > > It may be that I am strange, but I actually like the older T-Series by > IBM or Lenovo much more than most newer machines. They have great > keyboards and the machines themselves are hard to break. They are just > built well. There is a store near where I live where they sell > refurbished Laptops and they have a whole bunch of T520s there - which > is exactly the model I am currently looking at. Since I am buying this > with my own money, I don't mind spending a little less. :-) > > I don't care about gaming performance. That's not what I need it for. > Most of my work will include writing (probably 80% TeX, lots of emails, > some letters). There will be some work done specifically for my sports > club (which requires special Windows software) - and yes, I will try to > get it to run with wine. :-) There will be some Firefoxing and some > video watching while I am on the train. This is the basic usage profile. > > I will be running a dual-boot system with Windows (hopefully 7) and I > also want to run FreeBSD. This is where you guys come in. Laptops often > contain evil hardware which will not work too well with Linux, BSD and > the like because of missing or broken drivers. Will this be a concern > with the T520? Even if the work I do would be possible in theory, I do > not plan on working through a frame buffer! > > Here is some info about the laptop: > https://support.lenovo.com/de/en/documents/pd015761 > > Do you think that this machine will work well with FreeBSD on it? Is > there some other machine I should take a look at? While looking around, > I noticed the T520 and liked it (because I have used it before), but I > don't know every model out there and thus I am open to suggestions. > > Thanks for your input and advice! > > Best regards, > Chris > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > iL4EAREKAGYFAldYVh1fFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl > bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy > MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7J2gQD/U6qMTy/BTOjgJQQrYRt42AtG > JXcPR5yH/SbprT5GgGYBAJFHSrvcu1WAJfpNx7Oq71JyGq/O3PCETF3++oZ0BMLD > =ha3t > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 10:32:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84CCB715E8 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:32:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FA7F1EBD for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:32:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bBJk1-0001Zz-21 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:32:41 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:32:41 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:32:41 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: List etiquette Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:32:35 +0200 Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <5759EA5D.3050501@nofroth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 In-Reply-To: <5759EA5D.3050501@nofroth.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:32:51 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 06/10/16 00:14, Duane Whitty wrote: Hello Duane! > I would like to pose a question to a specific user on the thread > "advice for buying a laptop" on freebsd-questions@. Should I send > the question to the list only, or list and cc (or bcc) user, or > just to the user? I would hope the etiquette includes the list as > I think the answer could be potentially valuable to others. Since I am the said OP, I'll chip in here too, even though what I think has already been said (written by others). :-) Put bluntly, if someone wishes to profit from the collective knowledge of a community (in this case *this* mailing list), he or she should be willing to share the results with the community (as in the knowledge gained). While my question will probably only be interesting for a limited amount of time, many subjects discussed on this list can also be useful in the future and a search may well save someone from having to ask the question again because there is a solution in place. Another reason why it's generally better to reply to the list instead of the author personally is the way that solutions are often worked out collectively. Basically, someone may offer a suggestion that in itself doesn't work, but it inspires an idea in someone else who then finds a solution to the problem. This only works if the communication is open. So by all means, please answer to the mailing list! While it is not frowned upon to CC or Bcc the author, I personally think it is not necessary and I don't do it either. Again, if someone profits from the mailing list, he or she should go ahead and read it - maybe he or she finds someone who needs help on the way. Best regards and have fun! 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To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:48:56 -0000 i cant remember exactly but i dont think you need them for jails either unless they are vnet ones (depending on your topology). I could be wrong on that though. On 10 June 2016 at 11:31, Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff wrote: > krad [2016-06-10 11:23 +0100] : > > > No, you should only need the if you want to act as a router for some > other > > machines. > > > > gateway_enable="YES" > > ipv6_gateway_enable="YES" > > I need these for jails that are connected on lo1 and a VPN tunnel on > tap0. Sorry, in case that was essential information that I did not > provide. Does that change your recommendations? > > krad [2016-06-10 11:23 +0100] : > > > also dont forget to check in rc.conf.local as well as rc.conf > > I will look into these... > > Niklaas > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 12:54:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9D6AEEDDC for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sales@brightglassware.com) Received: from out4446.biz.mail.alibaba.com (out4446.biz.mail.alibaba.com [47.88.44.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6761F1A33 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:54:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sales@brightglassware.com) X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=CONTINUE; BC=0.07858348|-1; FP=8770315852104587052|76|1|70|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=e02c03293; MF=sales@brightglassware.com; NM=1; PH=DS; RN=1; RT=1; SR=0; TI=SMTPD_----4ufjQwC_1465562939; Received: from noqruwy(mailfrom:sales@brightglassware.com ip:113.89.38.210) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(10.147.40.233); 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charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: =?UTF-8?B?Qnl1bmctSGVlIEhXQU5HICjtmanrs5Htnawp?= Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:03:38 +0900 To: Bernt Hansson ,freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <4BC7E222-EC18-46AB-BF94-DF06AF70A28E@doraji.xyz> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:03:55 -0000 On 2016년 6월 9일 오후 8시 3분 25초 GMT+09:00, Bernt Hansson wrote: >On 2016-06-08 19:30, Christian Baer wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> Hey guy and gals! :-) >Hello! > >If your looking for a used laptop maybe this one is for you. > >http://sunnytechus.com/configuresys/777notebook.htm >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hello, forgive me if off topic. Does there use chromebook with BSD? -- ^고맙습니다 감사합니다_^))// From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 13:53:07 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5834DB70182; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:53:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (gatekeeper.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.allbsd.org", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84B311127; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:53:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail-d.allbsd.org ([IPv6:2400:402e:a012:6300:58:65ff:fe00:b0b]) (authenticated bits=56) by mail.allbsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u5ADqfM6009802 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL) (Client CN "/OU=GT07882699/OU=See+20www.rapidssl.com/resources/cps+20+28c+2915/OU=Domain+20Control+20Validated+20-+20RapidSSL+28R+29/CN=*.allbsd.org", Issuer "/C=US/O=GeoTrust+20Inc./CN=RapidSSL+20SHA256+20CA+20-+20G3"); Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:52:57 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from alph.allbsd.org ([IPv6:2400:402e:a012:6300:16:ceff:fe34:2700]) by mail-d.allbsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u5ADqffS086759 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:52:41 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by alph.allbsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPA id u5ADqb7K086756; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:52:40 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:50:31 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20160610.225031.1318863285679295699.hrs@allbsd.org> To: stdin@niklaas.eu Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: And what about ipv6_defaultrouter? From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20160610071254.GC2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> References: <20160610065224.GB2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160610071254.GC2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Fri_Jun_10_22_50_31_2016_828)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99 at gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (mail.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]); Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:52:58 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.6 required=13.0 tests=CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT, QENCPTR1,RCVD_IN_AHBL,RCVD_IN_AHBL_PROXY,RCVD_IN_AHBL_SPAM,RCVD_IN_CHINA, RCVD_IN_CHINA_KR,RCVD_IN_TAIWAN,RDNS_NONE,SPF_SOFTFAIL,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:53:07 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Fri_Jun_10_22_50_31_2016_828)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff wrote in <20160610071254.GC2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu>: st> Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff [2016-06-10 08:52 +0200] : st> st> > --------------------8<-------------------- st> > ifconfig_vtnet0="DHCP" st> > ifconfig_vtnet0_ipv6="inet6 accept_rtadv" st> > rtsold_enable="YES" st> > -------------------->8-------------------- st> [...] st> > --------------------8<-------------------- st> > ipv6_defaultrouter="" st> > -------------------->8-------------------- st> st> Plus these lines: st> st> --------------------8<-------------------- st> gateway_enable="YES" st> ipv6_gateway_enable="YES" st> -------------------->8-------------------- A router does not accept RAs (more strictly, default route information in RA) because it is a sender of RAs. However, some devices such as CPE need to behave like a host for the uplink and a router for the LAN. In that case, an interface on the WAN side has to accept RAs and one on the LAN side has to send RAs. On FreeBSD, there is a knob to support it. Set the following variable to rc.conf in addition to your current configuration: ipv6_cpe_wanif="vtnet0" This touches some per-IF flags and sysctls. For more complex configurations such as having two or more uplinks you need to set them manually, but if you have only one uplink the above variable should do the trick. And, $rtsold_enable is not required unless you want to get DNS server information from RAs. -- Hiroki ----Security_Multipart(Fri_Jun_10_22_50_31_2016_828)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEABECAAYFAldaxacACgkQTyzT2CeTzy3RVQCg0tDzc6mr49Vo7ixexi3JETZG m70AnjAG7p2A8ZNmunxxJQX3tDFQ7sT2 =esrc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Fri_Jun_10_22_50_31_2016_828)---- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 13:54:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455BCB70279 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:54:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soyeomul@doraji.xyz) Received: from mail-pf0-x22a.google.com (mail-pf0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 177F712EA for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:54:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soyeomul@doraji.xyz) Received: by mail-pf0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id y124so23971562pfy.0 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 06:54:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=doraji.xyz; s=google-2048-bit; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=+XUyfqX6uULv6kB56K9ZispvOgsTwDl58JsRh5uIYkc=; b=UkQk/luO8oUsdD+eQq3RX1wPcYbQpgJlN3K6avmMNPh/C0yEbYGrzZVcVAzTGHlvg8 BXGzCYiSfLJPUzRHHdr95nmRa8BdgAtiQTCUV1Kaq3RBBT5avSbmBaZwzG7CY06+oE4p 4Pip3AkG+x6d7oR9GGP3SEuXicI5JClg8zbqJTSRv21Va4BvfCiHFWHnyGkHyUBJG6aw 8z8eg7dyFqojBTaawsJS3vPR8tN+gJbwjizh5VMseRs3b0xpj/fcSswCr9605OajysZv Ibx3Isrb+jIjojnP+rFQYJVJ10v8/xxeNbDnW03P+r7wi2RtsDO3Xf7xH4mAzJ85aXe0 OuQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=+XUyfqX6uULv6kB56K9ZispvOgsTwDl58JsRh5uIYkc=; b=fjhYB85GWtEIjUSfTUKD0ozFJrAmyTt10NUUIIuSPSR22rEPwSRR4/DQmlUjqtKb4q dtbREcfWWzUc/4/0hsR7xEGo6DzXPiGbLSt9icgQ3y6M3H0dR/vfpK+PXEhgHjwofz57 hkQrqCQQ6ibaN6t9G2+lst3zDaHSizjU7knX/ntIFO3mUKkbsVyDQzLZcIRWpbE/7MfG q4NrBNnlfrNEWpPQ7Tl7bOCTFMn1Tdy9PYogRHbugUH0oV7AeQND1wcVJO/NsJIInC2G GmR34Ae/TS38l3LPejaEGQNgRxrjU6LJa/+8ZNNTw66mMPY73SE6DT7Q3vN0J2vJ0oeE 8cag== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIEU9pmeW9CKmYc8zpstcghL9lfz5Op6f/ICq4/xSObawwtFOC/ZgHz/KyaaDESHg== X-Received: by 10.98.130.65 with SMTP id w62mr2461128pfd.5.1465566852313; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 06:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [102.23.194.162] ([110.70.46.204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n66sm18078013pfb.38.2016.06.10.06.54.10 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jun 2016 06:54:11 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <4BC7E222-EC18-46AB-BF94-DF06AF70A28E@doraji.xyz> References: <4BC7E222-EC18-46AB-BF94-DF06AF70A28E@doraji.xyz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: =?UTF-8?B?Qnl1bmctSGVlIEhXQU5HICjtmanrs5Htnawp?= Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:54:03 +0900 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1EDE9C05-0E09-4BFB-80EB-DFCF7F521711@doraji.xyz> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:54:13 -0000 On 2016년 6월 10일 오후 10시 3분 38초 GMT+09:00, "Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)" wrote: > [...] > Does there use chromebook with BSD? Sorry for lame writing. Well i am doing work-in-progress in English, i correct word as follow: "Does there people use Chromebook with FreeBSD?" Sincerely, -- ^고맙습니다 감사합니다_^))// From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 14:28:17 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CE4B70EB6 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soyeomul@doraji.xyz) Received: from mail-pa0-x22f.google.com (mail-pa0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AAEB1E39 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soyeomul@doraji.xyz) Received: by mail-pa0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id b5so24021869pas.3 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 07:28:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=doraji.xyz; s=google-2048-bit; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=8/wV4fEPVDmQ1R5qufv+YP75ageisu+/2Pr4LphBGEM=; b=dSkVWfYzqjU+K/gmx9cbX6i8Nhk8VdT1jVosFhnceJvNepQBDLZn1+pQlu2EvycvGF Tl8/klnsJgwEcr++MR5rAWaTHgUvOEZljSbgxAHr9xYKiGGCcLXDGkcs7uIClRzepPXr PIFQ2X/ARkBT8wyZ08Dke2kWsbi3ubLyfgtRBU2zF+ywe3V+71n3qO2gTS67yHfvLYrQ brc5D/nHRkKDyi1AAQCH4PnWSPX+5JCX3VXng70lwxLtd25pLWbqXeMsfVzj3INLh9Er EGEUzjwaVlFMZcIflAyp5owNnKlJQVlj3OhyTGtXCNvVngfb/odqQhLXwVA0R3jCnOE7 Q8Gg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=8/wV4fEPVDmQ1R5qufv+YP75ageisu+/2Pr4LphBGEM=; b=KJD2LDkcGsCUWE17KzfYdumJW8T0ZZ/NbWqW2tJFVjPd4kW8qSYPsqj2WiKqHF31O6 Bxvn98/L/LE5JP+5UsX6tBuuTxhsw92AoyyzvMIdMOo1zGWSeF4/LpAiOVGDoDhKNPFh hvIVf7OtIKzRkd9Mp7Iy/UQMtgj2FKI55xHmDjk49/2tyHODlb4zcr32oEzkoIX9SI2Y 61w2Ecd8+/7mztWCmxFVVk755yYqQgtbP9FDyVkPTyfQYeGHLG1i3iE0S3TdrSmprA22 hX45sFpcuk/2glVQg7U3xaSfqY4Y+8lnuycHG84RVpchddHBHBEi8H0nVnCqmB0NQb0/ Ea4A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tL8cCFTezaSjpWB3IqALx607+VB9sR9d6yXS/VmncFdfEf64a7ORzyvWvw6d/DUYw== X-Received: by 10.66.148.105 with SMTP id tr9mr2620900pab.72.1465568896330; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 07:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [102.23.194.162] ([110.70.46.204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d8sm18205666pfg.72.2016.06.10.07.28.14 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jun 2016 07:28:15 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <5759EA5D.3050501@nofroth.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: List etiquette From: =?UTF-8?B?Qnl1bmctSGVlIEhXQU5HICjtmanrs5Htnawp?= Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 23:28:07 +0900 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <303A1925-FBA8-4AAD-B466-2F2BCE8D37F4@doraji.xyz> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:28:17 -0000 On 2016년 6월 10일 오후 7시 32분 35초 GMT+09:00, Christian Baer wrote: > [...] >Best regards and have fun! >Chris Really i agree to Matthew's opinion that nobody can insist to reply for. And then, Chris your message topic (proper laptop for freebsd) was so good to me of non-technical user. Sincerely, -- ^고맙습니다 감사합니다_^))// From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 16:25:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9F4AD9013 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:25:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-f53.google.com (mail-it0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0537C2BD9 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:25:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-f53.google.com with SMTP id e5so14239724ith.0 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:25:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=cb4UB6XY0ulLng8nbfycvb+++amShmoZaIVrMub4L78=; b=ctrxG2IuF6lGblTGAz54/SdPYhnw02iRFM3rEJBABaqvKFcd1t0oAYqVeK6m3Ihton qj4QQ36pC96obowDHlB8qCr7+K6MIUAUcviIJgb/6zn5mheCpl99Z2uWuMaN80ClOpZx yvVDnIdk6L+5PrSoUZd4O0OEbzdqbJtau5H2aEcD7mal22Mjs9LqTcmcrFDmX/NxuV2c fJnY/AZUMWz/xmL9A0e2iuJx8Kxk9Z5OG9x8PEbJoLriqt+9Flb7gWVZYosLnwhYw4sG 4fNABoe80KIaEP0VJn94ygxOEc1MtEgoQGx2TsIubSmRUX33nujPqVAf6A0UWaHwLHIF jgkA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJNzgcxOiV0Stp606uM66fvfXOHsPmYvlXXYzs/GDS/QDee9Zbi8KgAIx+FUlMYUA== X-Received: by 10.36.28.201 with SMTP id c192mr5307923itc.96.1465575949271; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (174-30-251-248.mpls.qwest.net. [174.30.251.248]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o4sm5864524itc.18.2016.06.10.09.25.47 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:25:48 -0700 (PDT) References: User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Murk Fletcher Cc: Christian Baer , User Questions Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:25:49 -0500 Message-ID: <867fdxnh82.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:25:51 -0000 Murk Fletcher writes: > Hi! > > You sound like a creative person. As am I, therefore nothing but the latest > MacBook Pro will do it for me. Product design-wise nothing even comes > close, and the clearness and beauty of the retina screen not only makes it > easier for your eyes, it also makes your work seem more appealing as you > get to see it in greater details. > > I usually remove OS X, install Windows 10 with Classic Shell and other > simplifications, and then run FreeBSD/OpenBSD inside VirtualBox. I > therefore get the best of all worlds; all my Unix needs covered via PuTTY > to localhost, plus the ability to run Adobe, Ableton etc. applications > which Windows does a lot better than OS X. Putting aside how utterly insane this sounds, it should go without saying that if someone is asking what hardware to buy then they intend to run on bare metal, because if you're running in a VM it doesn't matter what hardware you buy. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 16:51:55 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649E5AD97A3 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:51:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4508F27CC for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:51:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 00CBFCB8CA2; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:51:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:51:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <17240.128.135.52.6.1465577513.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <867fdxnh82.fsf@WorkBox.Home> References: <867fdxnh82.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:51:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" Cc: "Murk Fletcher" , "Christian Baer" , "User Questions" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:51:55 -0000 On Fri, June 10, 2016 11:25 am, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > > Murk Fletcher writes: > >> Hi! >> >> You sound like a creative person. As am I, therefore nothing but the >> latest >> MacBook Pro will do it for me. Product design-wise nothing even comes >> close, and the clearness and beauty of the retina screen not only makes >> it >> easier for your eyes, it also makes your work seem more appealing as you >> get to see it in greater details. >> >> I usually remove OS X, install Windows 10 with Classic Shell and other >> simplifications, and then run FreeBSD/OpenBSD inside VirtualBox. I >> therefore get the best of all worlds; all my Unix needs covered via >> PuTTY >> to localhost, plus the ability to run Adobe, Ableton etc. applications >> which Windows does a lot better than OS X. > > Putting aside how utterly insane this sounds, it should go without > saying that if someone is asking what hardware to buy then they intend > to run on bare metal, because if you're running in a VM it doesn't > matter what hardware you buy. > Indeed. I remember some 10 or 15 years ago someone said: having a mac is like driving ferrari. Ford or subaru will get you around same well, but but ferrari gives you that chic ;-) Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 19:03:25 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD7FAD9114 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3138925F9 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:03:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [89.204.138.229] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1bBR81-0006YM-9s; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:25:57 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (c720-r292778-amd64 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id u5AIPrn3001944 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:25:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id u5AIPp0S001943; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:25:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:25:51 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Byung-Hee HWANG =?utf-8?B?KO2Zqeuzke2drCk=?= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Message-ID: <20160610182551.GB1869@c720-r292778-amd64> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , Byung-Hee HWANG =?utf-8?B?KO2Zqeuzke2drCk=?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4BC7E222-EC18-46AB-BF94-DF06AF70A28E@doraji.xyz> <1EDE9C05-0E09-4BFB-80EB-DFCF7F521711@doraji.xyz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1EDE9C05-0E09-4BFB-80EB-DFCF7F521711@doraji.xyz> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r292778 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.138.229 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:03:25 -0000 El día Friday, June 10, 2016 a las 10:54:03PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) escribió: > On 2016년 6월 10일 오후 10시 3분 38초 GMT+09:00, "Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)" wrote: > > [...] > > Does there use chromebook with BSD? > > Sorry for lame writing. Well i am doing work-in-progress in English, i correct word as follow: > > "Does there people use Chromebook with FreeBSD?" I run some Acer C720 Chromebooks with CURRENT. What is your question about it? matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 "Die Verkaufsschlager des Buchmarkts geben Auskunft über den Zustand einer Gesellschaft bzw. sind, was diese Zeiten angeht, Gradmesser fortschreitenden Schwachsinns. ..." (jW 19.05.2016) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 19:18:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA0DAD97BD; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:18:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [IPv6:2a02:2770:15:0:21a:4aff:feaa:e902]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C82B2F36; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:18:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2AD46385569; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:18:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:18:28 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: And what about ipv6_defaultrouter? Message-ID: <20160610191828.GE2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160610065224.GB2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160610071254.GC2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160610.225031.1318863285679295699.hrs@allbsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="84ND8YJRMFlzkrP4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160610.225031.1318863285679295699.hrs@allbsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:18:32 -0000 --84ND8YJRMFlzkrP4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiroki Sato [2016-06-10 22:50 +0900] : > A router does not accept RAs (more strictly, default route > information in RA) because it is a sender of RAs. However, some > devices such as CPE need to behave like a host for the uplink and a > router for the LAN. In that case, an interface on the WAN side has > to accept RAs and one on the LAN side has to send RAs. >=20 > On FreeBSD, there is a knob to support it. Set the following > variable to rc.conf in addition to your current configuration: >=20 > ipv6_cpe_wanif=3D"vtnet0" Thanks a lot for pointing that out! I think I read about the variable somewhere but I was not sure what it actually does. Is there some place where I can find more detailed explanation about rc.conf and sysctl settings except man? > And, $rtsold_enable is not required unless you want to get DNS server > information from RAs. Okay, great. I did not know that. Very nice layout for writing emails by the way. Niklaas --84ND8YJRMFlzkrP4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXWxJ+AAoJEG2fODeJrIU/pOIP/AgLvNj8PLcWjmEZ8K6p8ToH WibPxiX71h62NIa2GCoYIcU8zzxq8vfjyvkWi6RbPLDhaynpgG34g76U7BognhKZ 2CxKt1Dw+ydcC/oNHkFyoW99SMlHTYRjeJWyOQ7jEKBAjbaJ3E5mwTMk7lsPO8MI RWTtx4r8HtvFup4mkGottkEj7D8AZfQlWdpLZVDPjV669V/tVIFXUUQD0CXf8Y8f kc79EDzwH44Cvm8endYypQT2BD57jzolP2gzj90Vm3U4fqi4Gj8veinnRDdLdUVW MxzgAkS1G6Or2ZzOo2GBfwc85xInnK4eINfJFaXfGPcEQtwH/FDvGOFbBEiNoDOu i40vehgfOEYf5ld4IF5L1h2cqyJfpKvYmsrfdX4Z4Jr5thoTFJ9iwmDUaGgSlixY pinXkQuSmKxBHpMClwVprIcAfp+ovBIFYeS+urXhmLSHBFjSp1JtrNz5LGbSwHL9 A8p3x85zGoStYYpjv4gVG8sjVr3AvmEOHkFD+fRpbCut/EJU74muj1PuCKEAt0R1 3yk4in5TqinMohz3VMzHYUG04V/szsmdl2GrkzRJYN2yFVYjQn6ZMtVGNXekBNjL FsZcqpBD7OKIOBDn7zNHHeLFhkEOFzh/fE3DVrpvwfVKiKRJubgQ7uV9k6tnj4T2 lVJa42PIIAWlSvw3rbOH =r8xT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --84ND8YJRMFlzkrP4-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 19:45:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45950AEE4D7 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:45:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-188.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.188]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AC7723D8 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:45:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.local (localhost [10.9.5.2]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u5AJRN54078410 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:27:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.dweimer.local (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id u5AJRNIV078409; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:27:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.dweimer.local: www set sender to dweimer@dweimer.net using -f To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Adding an IP address to a Running Jail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:27:23 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" Organization: dweimer.net Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net Message-ID: <7616fe399e89e4e178915120edbcad23@dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:45:16 -0000 I already have multiple IPs on our reverse proxy server which is running on a FreeBSD jail, and I know how to add them to the configuration. I am working on a new project, and need to add another IP. I have it in the configuration, but what I can't seem to figure out how to add the IP to the jail without restarting it. So I am stuck until our maintenance window to complete the project, unless someone out there can tell me how to do it if its even possible. Of course I have other things that need done, and this project doesn't have to be completed today, just thought it would be nice to know going forward. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 20:01:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B638DAEE9EF for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:01:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 881BA2C67 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:01:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-209-65.knology.net [216.186.209.65] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id u5AK0xn8018567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:01:00 -0500 Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop References: <867fdxnh82.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Cc: User Questions From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <4d67cf89-7ac8-d2d5-9306-8b16c100f914@hiwaay.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:06:29 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <867fdxnh82.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:01:08 -0000 On 06/10/16 11:32, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > Murk Fletcher writes: > >> Hi! >> >> You sound like a creative person. As am I, therefore nothing but the latest >> MacBook Pro will do it for me. Product design-wise nothing even comes >> close, and the clearness and beauty of the retina screen not only makes it >> easier for your eyes, it also makes your work seem more appealing as you >> get to see it in greater details. >> >> I usually remove OS X, install Windows 10 with Classic Shell and other >> simplifications, and then run FreeBSD/OpenBSD inside VirtualBox. I >> therefore get the best of all worlds; all my Unix needs covered via PuTTY >> to localhost, plus the ability to run Adobe, Ableton etc. applications >> which Windows does a lot better than OS X. > Putting aside how utterly insane this sounds, it should go without > saying that if someone is asking what hardware to buy then they intend > to run on bare metal, because if you're running in a VM it doesn't > matter what hardware you buy. > *+1* !!!! Especially running a VM under M$FT .... *ick* .... -- William A. 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Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 20:28:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1924FAEF03E; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:28:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-188.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.188]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E142B2675; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.local (localhost [10.9.5.2]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u5AKS8Ai080900 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:28:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.dweimer.local (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id u5AKS8Cw080899; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:28:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.dweimer.local: www set sender to dweimer@dweimer.net using -f To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Adding an IP address to a Running Jail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:28:08 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" Cc: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: dweimer.net Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net In-Reply-To: <7616fe399e89e4e178915120edbcad23@dweimer.net> References: <7616fe399e89e4e178915120edbcad23@dweimer.net> Message-ID: <2fad8c3b97c5d95f9e8007a098de2579@dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:28:11 -0000 On 2016-06-10 2:27 pm, Dean E. Weimer wrote: > I already have multiple IPs on our reverse proxy server which is > running on a FreeBSD jail, and I know how to add them to the > configuration. I am working on a new project, and need to add another > IP. I have it in the configuration, but what I can't seem to figure > out how to add the IP to the jail without restarting it. > > So I am stuck until our maintenance window to complete the project, > unless someone out there can tell me how to do it if its even > possible. Of course I have other things that need done, and this > project doesn't have to be completed today, just thought it would be > nice to know going forward. I found my own answer, I did some searching and found the -m option for the jail command, and was able to add an IP to a jail on my test system. Think I am still going to wait on the production system and restart it, as I put a typo in the first time and dropped its original IP off on the test system. But now I know going forward if I have an urgent reason it can be done. -- Thanks, Dean E. 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From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20160610191828.GE2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> References: <20160610071254.GC2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160610.225031.1318863285679295699.hrs@allbsd.org> <20160610191828.GE2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Sat_Jun_11_05_37_59_2016_984)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99 at gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (mail.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]); Sat, 11 Jun 2016 05:39:47 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.6 required=13.0 tests=CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT, QENCPTR1,RCVD_IN_AHBL,RCVD_IN_AHBL_PROXY,RCVD_IN_AHBL_SPAM,RCVD_IN_CHINA, RCVD_IN_CHINA_KR,RCVD_IN_TAIWAN,RDNS_NONE,SPF_SOFTFAIL,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:39:52 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Jun_11_05_37_59_2016_984)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff wrote in <20160610191828.GE2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu>: st> Hiroki Sato [2016-06-10 22:50 +0900] : st> st> > A router does not accept RAs (more strictly, default route st> > information in RA) because it is a sender of RAs. However, some st> > devices such as CPE need to behave like a host for the uplink and a st> > router for the LAN. In that case, an interface on the WAN side has st> > to accept RAs and one on the LAN side has to send RAs. st> > st> > On FreeBSD, there is a knob to support it. Set the following st> > variable to rc.conf in addition to your current configuration: st> > st> > ipv6_cpe_wanif="vtnet0" st> st> Thanks a lot for pointing that out! I think I read about the variable st> somewhere but I was not sure what it actually does. Is there some place st> where I can find more detailed explanation about rc.conf and sysctl st> settings except man? Unfortunately there is no documentation other than manual page because this is a bit tricky. rc.conf(5) explains as follows: ---- ipv6_cpe_wanif (str) If the variable is set to an interface name, the ifconfig(8) options ``inet6 -no_radr accept_rtadv'' will be added to the specified interface automatically before evalu- ating ifconfig__ipv6, and two sysctl(8) variables net.inet6.ip6.rfc6204w3 and net.inet6.ip6.no_radr will be set to 1. This means the specified interface will accept ICMPv6 Router Advertisement messages on that link and add the discovered routers into the Default Router List. While the other inter- faces can still accept RA messages if the ``inet6 accept_rtadv'' option is specified, adding routes into the Default Router List will be disabled by ``inet6 no_radr'' option by default. See ifconfig(8) for more details. Note that ICMPv6 Router Advertisement messages will be accepted even when net.inet6.ip6.forwarding is 1 (packet forwarding is enabled) when net.inet6.ip6.rfc6204w3 is set to 1. Default is ``NO''. ---- -- Hiroki ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Jun_11_05_37_59_2016_984)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEABECAAYFAldbJScACgkQTyzT2CeTzy3ZWQCghXV4n+OIhgeKSe2TOflxjj8T QCkAmwd3RS7bqAFWVunG5C3tQS62mGlt =44DZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Jun_11_05_37_59_2016_984)---- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 20:50:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4048AEF70C; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:50:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [84.22.110.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18132069; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:50:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D3D3D385528; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:50:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:50:25 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: And what about ipv6_defaultrouter? Message-ID: <20160610205025.GG2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160610071254.GC2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160610.225031.1318863285679295699.hrs@allbsd.org> <20160610191828.GE2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160611.053759.1734517365141755226.hrs@allbsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXr400anF0jyguTS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160611.053759.1734517365141755226.hrs@allbsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:50:36 -0000 --BXr400anF0jyguTS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiroki Sato [2016-06-11 05:37 +0900] : > Unfortunately there is no documentation other than manual page > because this is a bit tricky. rc.conf(5) explains as follows: >=20 > ---- > ipv6_cpe_wanif >=20 > (str) If the variable is set to an interface name, the > ifconfig(8) options ``inet6 -no_radr accept_rtadv'' will be > added to the specified interface automatically before evalu- > ating ifconfig__ipv6, and two sysctl(8) variables > net.inet6.ip6.rfc6204w3 and net.inet6.ip6.no_radr will be set to > 1. So where would I start to look for further explanations on net.inet6.ip6.rfc6204w3 and net.inet6.ip6.no_radr? sysctl.conf(5) and sysctl(8) don't mention anything about them. Niklaas --BXr400anF0jyguTS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXWygCAAoJEG2fODeJrIU/6kAP/jk7mhjB5kspjhIyGsY94r7Z Q5g4+gk8CzrzP/bAY8L8jMe12LJhrPCkQ4S0SpvjaVhfmPYlrMZGakDd0WsorMvt IeAaaukrbrdOzd6hxjTmPyyKz/BFml/45GwsfEv54Ir3jtEdWAnqzka+6Sr6Q2v9 EiIypU8Uvz690+JWXI6pUq0KMrnBadZK8wPDjF983K2Ba7vhM/TFTDsQMM81qSZh K2fXaEZk6xa4Up9LFMcdWRrrzaBlFshDLVVGl3h6bBO/DW/qBmLuLH/HjTivX6/0 XzjqDlEzSFiizV1i3td5b5dUonF6IqmbXIQaAcFXsYyVH0gBpc+pJ//qa9alHzND Ow/IoDhMe+cnm4AwPZtuzULGxfwF9tH57bwN/CIEU2zlTdNkECz7/mn9nBh+qIEx pSxPtAfSECICeV73ZghAJV0jIu3Cgzeam4sB9iQSV/s6wWfmdtB1CVSqQ/ZGYJ2g uABamm6wKkvBngEnivvTNRMUjiiqlWjz0hl/eHwvcNrudwt7FV7MhDhu/UPHHvAQ lVK+dPrXhG9fOjGkphJorPspiDI8vO22Q0Gf+HpZiENorZ1GCp0x5POn37l3m6Rf gPea6Myg6bD5cXbcXaUgSYe5W6E7P1MhhRWy8RH0+CeECeTvBDJVk3jJ/mdKtiWB pS1//2JzyRVt2NNMRUg/ =61oH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXr400anF0jyguTS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 20:59:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CCDAEF941 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:59:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "miucha.iecc.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 DV Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B782E2618 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:59:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 15821 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2016 20:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2016 20:59:27 -0000 Date: 10 Jun 2016 20:59:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20160610205905.44289.qmail@ary.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: murk.fletcher@gmail.com Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:59:29 -0000 >You sound like a creative person. As am I, therefore nothing but the latest >MacBook Pro will do it for me. ... OK so far. >I usually remove OS X, install Windows 10 ... Oh, gross. FreeBSD under virtualbox works just dandy under OS X. It's not hard to set it up so that X applications on FreeBSD talk to the native XQuartz server. Indeed, that's how I'm typing this message. I used to run native FreeBSD on a ThinkPad, but keeping the X server working became very painful, and the ports of Firefox and Chrome are flaky. The Mac has an adequate implementation of most unixy stuff, web browsers work way better under MacOS than under BSD, and the BSD VM is there when I want real BSD for things that don't work under MacOS or when I'm doing development of stuff I'm going to run on my BSD server in a datacenter. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 21:00:54 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD17AEFA18; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:00:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (gatekeeper.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.allbsd.org", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFED12722; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:00:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail-d.allbsd.org ([IPv6:2400:402e:a012:6300:58:65ff:fe00:b0b]) (authenticated bits=56) by mail.allbsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u5AL0ZYT029932 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL) (Client CN "/OU=GT07882699/OU=See+20www.rapidssl.com/resources/cps+20+28c+2915/OU=Domain+20Control+20Validated+20-+20RapidSSL+28R+29/CN=*.allbsd.org", Issuer "/C=US/O=GeoTrust+20Inc./CN=RapidSSL+20SHA256+20CA+20-+20G3"); Sat, 11 Jun 2016 06:00:46 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from alph.allbsd.org ([IPv6:2400:402e:a012:6300:16:ceff:fe34:2700]) by mail-d.allbsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u5AL0Wjw007045 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Jun 2016 06:00:32 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by alph.allbsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPA id u5AL0WGd007042; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 06:00:32 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 06:00:27 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20160611.060027.2146801142002777069.hrs@allbsd.org> To: stdin@niklaas.eu Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: And what about ipv6_defaultrouter? From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20160610205025.GG2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> References: <20160610191828.GE2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160611.053759.1734517365141755226.hrs@allbsd.org> <20160610205025.GG2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Sat_Jun_11_06_00_27_2016_968)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99 at gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (mail.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]); Sat, 11 Jun 2016 06:00:48 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.6 required=13.0 tests=CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT, QENCPTR1,RCVD_IN_AHBL,RCVD_IN_AHBL_PROXY,RCVD_IN_AHBL_SPAM,RCVD_IN_CHINA, RCVD_IN_CHINA_KR,RCVD_IN_TAIWAN,RDNS_NONE,SPF_SOFTFAIL,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:00:54 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Jun_11_06_00_27_2016_968)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff wrote in <20160610205025.GG2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu>: st> Hiroki Sato [2016-06-11 05:37 +0900] : st> st> > Unfortunately there is no documentation other than manual page st> > because this is a bit tricky. rc.conf(5) explains as follows: st> > st> > ---- st> > ipv6_cpe_wanif st> > st> > (str) If the variable is set to an interface name, the st> > ifconfig(8) options ``inet6 -no_radr accept_rtadv'' will be st> > added to the specified interface automatically before evalu- st> > ating ifconfig__ipv6, and two sysctl(8) variables st> > net.inet6.ip6.rfc6204w3 and net.inet6.ip6.no_radr will be set to st> > 1. st> st> So where would I start to look for further explanations on st> net.inet6.ip6.rfc6204w3 and net.inet6.ip6.no_radr? sysctl.conf(5) and st> sysctl(8) don't mention anything about them. Yes. "no_radr" can be found in ifconfig(8) manual page since it is related to one of the per-IF flags which has the same name. "rfc6204w3" is only documented in the result of "sysctl -d net.inet6.ip6.rfc6204w3". -- Hiroki ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Jun_11_06_00_27_2016_968)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEABECAAYFAldbKmsACgkQTyzT2CeTzy2kKwCghJnhj3Rck09WFUD9H3vxU3l2 YAkAn0Z91WCiVkBnkijRn4JkFhHNVWji =Pt+m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Jun_11_06_00_27_2016_968)---- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 10 21:14:02 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C004EAEFD50; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [84.22.110.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9E82D76; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BF291385528; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 23:13:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 23:13:57 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: And what about ipv6_defaultrouter? Message-ID: <20160610211357.GH2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160610191828.GE2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160611.053759.1734517365141755226.hrs@allbsd.org> <20160610205025.GG2817@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160611.060027.2146801142002777069.hrs@allbsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="svExV93C05KqedWb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160611.060027.2146801142002777069.hrs@allbsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:14:02 -0000 --svExV93C05KqedWb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hiroki Sato [2016-06-11 06:00 +0900] : > "rfc6204w3" is only documented in the result of "sysctl -d > net.inet6.ip6.rfc6204w3". This is what I was looking for. Thanks a lot. 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Well i am doing work-in-progress in English, >i correct word as follow: >> >> "Does there people use Chromebook with FreeBSD?" > >I run some Acer C720 Chromebooks with CURRENT. What is your question >about >it? > > matthias For long time i did looking for how-to docs (wiki or blog) including to install *BSD on Chromebook. Seriously i shoud say that You are perfact guru! Sincerely, -- ^고맙습니다 감사합니다_^))// From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 11 06:21:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C349CAEFC9E for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 06:21:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68D012E23 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 06:21:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [88.217.99.69] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1bBcIM-00077o-83; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:21:22 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (c720-r292778-amd64 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id u5B6LL7P001960 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:21:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id u5B6LLpL001959; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:21:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:21:21 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Don Harper Cc: Byung-Hee HWANG =?utf-8?B?KO2Zqeuzke2drCk=?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Message-ID: <20160611062121.GA1904@c720-r292778-amd64> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , Don Harper , Byung-Hee HWANG =?utf-8?B?KO2Zqeuzke2drCk=?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4BC7E222-EC18-46AB-BF94-DF06AF70A28E@doraji.xyz> <1EDE9C05-0E09-4BFB-80EB-DFCF7F521711@doraji.xyz> <20160610182551.GB1869@c720-r292778-amd64> <20160611000913.xug7mjpszwz5wcsk@duckland.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20160611000913.xug7mjpszwz5wcsk@duckland.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r292778 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 88.217.99.69 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 06:21:26 -0000 --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit El día Friday, June 10, 2016 a las 07:09:13PM -0500, Don Harper escribió: > Matthias, > I am not sure of the other poster has a question, but I was wondering if > you ever got suspend/resume working on your C720? If so, can you point > me to some docs or give a quick write-up on where to go look? As I said to Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희), I own two of these devices and support one more used by some customer. All of them run a r292778 and ports compiled with poudriere. I started in January 2015 with this and followed Michael's blog post here: https://blog.grem.de/pages/c720.html I think, he was the first making patches (now in head) to support this device and he gave me a lot of help too. I'm attaching my step-by-step guide which explains how to tweak the Chromebook to support FreeBSD boot, how to make a USB key etc. Suspend until now is not working, at least not in the kernel I'm using. I will update it soon to a today's head to see how far the support for Haswell chips is. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 "Die Verkaufsschlager des Buchmarkts geben Auskunft über den Zustand einer Gesellschaft bzw. sind, was diese Zeiten angeht, Gradmesser fortschreitenden Schwachsinns. ..." (jW 19.05.2016) --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="install-acer-c720-amd64.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit $Id: install-acer-c720-amd64.txt,v 1.6 2015/08/02 06:35:53 guru Exp $ Preparing an USB boot key for AMD64 Installation of the Acer C720 Chromebook Matthias Apitz Version for r285885, August 2015 (20150805) 1. Prepare a bootable USB key from a recent CURRENT, mine was r285885 (July 26) # mkdir -p /usr/local/r285885/ # cd /usr/local/r285885/ # svn co svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/head src (r285885) Btw: Using before /home/guru/r... was a big mistake, because this way the compiled .depend files contain references to /usr/home/... and to /home/... files, which will not work if /home does not exist as a sym link to usr/home. Better is using some top level dir belwow /usr/local/.... to avoid this problem. # cd /usr/local/r285885/src # mkdir /usr/local/r285885/obj # MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/local/r285885/obj # export MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX # make buildworld # make buildkernel Install world and kernel into a directory /usr/local/r285885/root.r285885: # MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/local/r285885/obj # export MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX # cd /usr/local/r285885 # test -d root.r285885 && chflags -R noschg root.r285885 # rm -rf root.r285885 memstick.img # mkdir -p /usr/local/r285885/root.r285885 # cd /usr/local/r285885/src # make installworld DESTDIR=/usr/local/r285885/root.r285885 # make installkernel DESTDIR=/usr/local/r285885/root.r285885 # make distrib-dirs DESTDIR=/usr/local/r285885/root.r285885 # make distribution DESTDIR=/usr/local/r285885/root.r285885 We now have in /usr/local/r285885 the following files/dirs: make-memstick-amd64.sh src obj root.r285885 We populate the root.r285885 'file system' with: # cd /usr/local/r285885 # mkdir -p root.r285885/usr/local/r285885 # cp -Rp src root.r285885/usr/local/r285885 # cp -Rp obj root.r285885/usr/local/r285885 # cp -p ~guru/c720/rc.conf root.r285885/etc # cp -p ~guru/c720/c720.kbd root.r285885/etc # cp -p ~guru/c720/sysctl.conf root.r285885/etc # cp -p ~guru/c720/loader.conf root.r285885/boot # mkdir -p root.r285885/usr/local/sbin # cp -p /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static root.r285885/usr/local/sbin/pkg-static # cat <> root.r285885/boot/device.hints hint.hdaa.1.nid20.config="as=3 seq=0" hint.hdaa.1.nid25.config="as=2 seq=10" hint.hdaa.1.nid26.config="as=2 seq=11" hint.hdaa.1.nid33.config="as=3 seq=15" EOF Now we create an image of the new root in /usr/local/r285885/root.r285885; I used a modified version of /usr/src/release/amd64/make-memstick.sh which allows me to specify the size of the resulting image to be able to adjust this to the number of 512 byte blocks of the USB stick; the modifications are: size=14680064b # fits into 7 GByte stick ... makefs -B little -M ${size} -m ${size} -f 400000 -o label=FreeBSD_Install ${2}.part ${1} We run the script to build the image: # cd /usr/local/r285885 # rm memstick.img # ./make-memstick.sh /usr/local/r285885/root.r285885 /usr/local/r285885/memstick.img ... Populating `/usr/local/r285885/memstick.img' Image `/usr/local/r285885/memstick.img' complete md1 created bootcode written to ... ... This gives us the image 'memstick.img' as less then 8 GByte: $ ls -l memstick.img -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 7518079488 02 ago 20:57 memstick.img Note: In contrast to the i386/make-memstick.sh, this script produces four partitions in the image, p3 contains the system and we can re-mount and check what is in there (or add more stuff) with: # unit=$(mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /usr/local/r285885/memstick.img) # mount /dev/${unit}p3 /mnt ... # umount /mnt We must set the partition 'active' (without this it did not boot in Dell Latitude E6330, see freebsd-current@ May 7, 2016): # gpart set -a active ${unit} Detach the virtual device # mdconfig -d -u ${unit} Finally, dd the memstick.img file to an USB key with: # dd if=memstick.img of=/dev/da0 bs=8m 2. Installation of the base system on the C720 You should for Wifi at least copy your working /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf into the stick (and later into the new system): # mount /dev/da0p3 /mnt # cp -p /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf /mnt/etc # umount /mnt The installation of the base system into the C720 goes like this: Boot from the USB stick. TEST If you want to do a test to check if the USB stick is fine, you can mount the old system to the USB stick, create some dummy directory and install into this, like: # mount /dev/ada0p2 /mnt # mkdir /mnt/r285885 # sh # cd /usr/local/r285885/src # MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/local/r285885/obj export MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX # make installworld DESTDIR=/mnt/r285885 # make installkernel DESTDIR=/mnt/r285885 # make distrib-dirs DESTDIR=/mnt/r285885 # make distribution DESTDIR=/mnt/r285885 This would not overwrite your existing system, but just (test-) install into /mnt/r285885. If there is any error on this, your old system is still untouched. WARNING: From here the procedure is now destructive to your old installation. AFTER making an external COPY of your HOME, re-partition the entire disk (I have a 256 GByte SSD) with 'bsdinstall' # umount /mnt # in case it is still mounted from the test # bsdinstall your keyboard input >>> Continue with /etc/c720.kbd keymap --> Select (just press ENTER) Please choose a hostname... --> dummy-host-name ENTER (*) Please select the site ... --> Ok ENTER How would you like to partition your disk? --> Auto (UFS) ENTER ada0 --> ENTER Entire Disk --> ENTER GPT --> ENTER ada0 238 GB GPT ada0p1 512 KB freebsd-boot ada0p2 234 GB freebsd-ufs ada0p3 4.0 GB freebsd-swap --> Finish ENTER --> Commit ENTER After this just use the proposed layout, let bsdinstall write the partition table to the disk and when it starts installing from network, cancel this with Ctrl-C; (*) Note: bsdinstall can't write the host name into /etc/rc.conf; we will do this later; just put any string here as dummy-host-name; The partitions created by bsdinstall should now be visible as the following devices: # ls -C1 /dev/ada0p* /dev/ada0p1 -- will be used for 512 KByte freebsd-boot /dev/ada0p2 -- will be used for 115 GByte freebsd-ufs /dev/ada0p3 -- will be used for 4 GByte freebsd-swap Mount the future root device /dev/ada0p2 as /mnt: # mount /dev/ada0p2 /mnt and install from the USB system into the mounted /mnt, use a shell 'sh' and the the default csh of user root: # sh # cd /usr/local/r285885/src # MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/local/r285885/obj export MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX double check the definition of MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX with: # env | fgrep MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX # ls $MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX if all is fine, we are ready to go: # make installworld DESTDIR=/mnt # make installkernel DESTDIR=/mnt # make distrib-dirs DESTDIR=/mnt # make distribution DESTDIR=/mnt To be able to compile the system on the C720 itself, we copy the sources to the correct places: # cp -Rp /usr/local/r285885/src /mnt/usr Create a correct /etc/fstab for the new system: # vi /mnt/etc/fstab /dev/ada0p2 / ufs rw,noatime 1 1 /dev/ada0p3 none swap sw 0 0 Copy some files from the USB system into place and reboot: # cp -p /etc/rc.conf /mnt/etc # cp -p /etc/c720.kbd /mnt/etc # cp -p /etc/sysctl.conf /mnt/etc # cp -p /etc/motd /mnt/etc # cp -p /boot/loader.conf /mnt/boot # cp -p /boot/device.hints /mnt/boot Configure Wifi for the new system: # cp -p /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf /mnt/etc or # vi /mnt/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf # add your Wifi secrets in this file We need a static version of pkg(8) to install later from our local repository without any connection to Internet: # mkdir -p /mnt/usr/local/sbin # cp -p /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static /mnt/usr/local/sbin/pkg-static # umount /mnt # reboot When the system is up again, run: # tzsetup # passwd root 3. Installation of the package repository on the C720 I have compiled around 1600 packages with the engine poudriere on an amd64 host Dell M4400. The system on this host was setup as described above. The packages are not part of the above mentioned USB stick, just for the reason that they have been created later on the Dell M4400 and to keep the USB stick below the size of 8 marketing-GByte. The packages are in /usr/PKGDIR.20150726, around 1660, the last ones from March 14 this year. Best is to copy them from the 2nd USB stick to the installed system exactly on the same place: # mount -o ro /dev/da0s1a /mnt # cp -Rp /mnt/PKGDIR.20150726 /usr Create from this directory the package repository and install whatever you like. We define the repository with creating a file myrepo.conf as: # mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos # cp /usr/PKGDIR.20150726/myrepo.conf /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos Just for info: # cat /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/myrepo.conf FreeBSD: { url: "file:///usr/PKGDIR.20150726", enabled: true, } Now we create the repository and install packages: # pkg-static repo /usr/PKGDIR.20150726 Creating repository in /usr/PKGDIR: 83% ... Packing files for repository: 100% Time to to install any stuff (and its dependencies): # pkg-static -R /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ install xorg # pkg-static -R /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ install kde-4.14.3 # pkg-static -R /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ install xbindkeys # pkg-static -R /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ install hal # maybe installed by kde already # pkg-static -R /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ install dbus # maybe installed by kde already # pkg-static -R /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ install mutt # pkg-static -R /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ install muttprint ... restart the daemons with: # reboot there is a bug and we must rename /usr/local/bin/akonadiserver to /usr/local/bin/akonadiserver.away 4. Userland and some special tweakings on the C720 After the above installation you should add a normal user with: # adduser login as this and populate its HOME with at least the followin files: $ vi ~/.xinitrc: setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp xrandr --output default --mode 1366x768 xset dpms 50 /usr/local/bin/xbindkeys exec /usr/local/bin/startkde $ vi ~/.xserverrc exec X -nolisten tcp -retro -logverbose 6 $ mkdir -p ~/.kde4/Autostart ~/.kde4/Autostart/xmod.sh fetch it from http://www.unixarea.de/c720/xmod.sh IMPORTANT Note: There is a bug in KDE; the session will be completely unsuable if the file is not executeable; run: $ chmod 0755 ~/.kde4/Autostart/xmod.sh ~/.xbindkeysrc fetch it from http://www.unixarea.de/c720/xbindkeysrc (but note it should be named as ~/.xbindkeysrc with the dot '.') After this KDE4 should come up with simple: $ startx The Xorg server will use the Vesa driver and the moused, i.e. does not need any sofisticated xorg.conf file for this. Vesa is poor on a Haswell CPU/GPU, but you will not note it. Hints about keyboard related changes: The C720 has a very limited keyboard (no Windows key, no hardware power-off key, ...); we have to tweak the keyboard a bit: in console mode: hw.acpi.power_button_state=NONE in /etc/sysctl.conf to avoid the shutdown via the ACPI power-off key, but we need 'power-down' and reallow 'pdwn' with Shift-ALt-(ACPI)-powerdown key; see /etc/c720.kbd and /etc/rc.conf In X11 / KDE4 mode: general layout see ~/.kde4/Autostart/xmod.sh: which does: - it swaps Alt_l with Windows-key - it uses (old) CapsLock as ALt-l - it uses (new) Win-key as Mode_switch - it configures Prior and Next keys as Mode_switch+Up/Down - it configures Spanish tilded chars: áíóéñ... In addition we start xbindkeys (see ~/.xbindkeysrc) to configure - Alt+F6: "intel_backlight decr" - Alt+F7: "intel_backlight incr" to control the display brightness and we configure in KDE System Settings --> ShortCuts --> Global --> KMix: - Alt+F8 Mute - Alt+F9 Decrease Volume - Alt+F10 Increase Volume - page up/down, i.e. 'Prior' and 'Next': the mapping is defined in 'xmod.sh' as Mode_switch+Up/Down which works fine in all X11 clients, but not in 'xterm'; for this bug(?) I defined in a file ~/.Xdefaults-c720-r285885: *VT100.translations: #override \ ShiftUp: scroll-back(1,page) \n\ ShiftDown: scroll-forw(1,page) \n\ ShiftF10: string("hola") (put a TAB before the lines with Shift....) and with this you can now use Shift+Mode_switch+Up/Down to get what you expect. Touchpad layout/functions: (stolen from http://blog.grem.de/pages/c720.html) 2/3 1/3 +--------------------+------------+ | | Middle | | | Button | | Left | | | Button +------------+ | | Right | | | Button | +--------------------+............| | Thumb/Button Area | 15% +---------------------------------+ Two finger scrolling - Use two fingers for Z axis scrolling. Button down/2nd finger - While one finger clicks and holds down the touchpad, the second one can be used to move the mouse cursor. Useful for drawing or selecting text. Thumb/Button Area - The lower 15%* of the trackpad will not affect the mouse cursor position. This allows for high precision clicking, by controlling the cursor with the index finger and pushing/holding the pad down with the thumb. * can be changed using sysctl Track-pad button - Push physical button. Left 2/3rds of the pad will issue a LEFT button event, upper right corner will issue a MIDDLE button event, lower right corner will issue a RIGHT button event. Optionally tap to click can be enabled (check *cyapa(4)* for details). my values in /etc/sysctl.conf are: debug.cyapa_enable_tapclick=3 debug.cyapa_tapclick_max_ticks=20 see also man cyapa(4) --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 11 07:27:12 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0623EAEFD85 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 07:27:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soyeomul@doraji.xyz) Received: from mail-pa0-x22a.google.com (mail-pa0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCC332C2A for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 07:27:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soyeomul@doraji.xyz) Received: by mail-pa0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id bz2so30237669pad.1 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 00:27:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=doraji.xyz; s=google-2048-bit; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=M3sc+/FMN9yU1IulpMzLIcH0M3ACGyYCgz5N0LRTIOI=; b=fT1OmS02p869I/OPIkjyn1yyS/D2nNDzbOaIsnm0AEmn0+80Ys+NUvjUgoVEA7yIDi ZedmmjQyXnxX2W2HCM6GdZxwM/L1l2GoSH1vTbeD0Lw+OTrBKzrpZ/q4RI2q2nMH2zJh p5XzA3UC6fqJnO/CS+PER+tyYzQwD0r8/TH5VXt9vEXpUB7ckC7iZQXWRIPNsLyiKBW4 pNDZnumPC/tV4K+6ucEWH2GBVr+Uv6qw/2x0QvYDQI3LjcdlKtbnBDrhZxx1tJgqxGzF Z6rV/bSS0gRv3joq96SXfR4U7iGDYobJ4w+vmpTZtC+8HAKEjymUJTMvg0mNN3PxpxlW qDQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=M3sc+/FMN9yU1IulpMzLIcH0M3ACGyYCgz5N0LRTIOI=; b=giePENfcL2+HrAzJOsRAUVNstQ3GGFY/VW/QERB7gOYbJ4tbFNsyJddMrKI+ZdCITZ SP30kVXYsCFINdMs9ikdXihSuMLbW0VUfYM4ZlrB+P0lB5UNpA0vuqWXBDhPdPSbBbro nHNZUzC/yXQDCDMaXOGUPn19XJ9zG2Ru7ur+/DWfc4IfxdZ+3PQUIA+0m37GEFtn/OBr iuABE3K8F03PD6gbkbiByaSuodGWoIRxgNFVLBi+CjU/4ia+D6tP/o291l51DRxeoPpz Erl2KUR9oXEL1UX+TC1yomT29CRYQ2q9qKIiPsLyKVQiY+9BTCvPGHCXhoFuOhf7uRpy IvuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tICnTKotHQvBHd45niProf9JWmOrI3sTJV8Sqx/hVZ+HRZ225de5w8KkneY+cNwNA== X-Received: by 10.66.88.73 with SMTP id be9mr7261164pab.113.1465630031085; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 00:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [28.63.147.130] ([175.223.14.46]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a88sm22379040pfc.71.2016.06.11.00.27.09 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 Jun 2016 00:27:10 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20160611062121.GA1904@c720-r292778-amd64> References: <4BC7E222-EC18-46AB-BF94-DF06AF70A28E@doraji.xyz> <1EDE9C05-0E09-4BFB-80EB-DFCF7F521711@doraji.xyz> <20160610182551.GB1869@c720-r292778-amd64> <20160611000913.xug7mjpszwz5wcsk@duckland.org> <20160611062121.GA1904@c720-r292778-amd64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: =?UTF-8?B?Qnl1bmctSGVlIEhXQU5HICjtmanrs5Htnawp?= Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 16:27:03 +0900 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 07:27:12 -0000 On 2016년 6월 11일 오후 3시 21분 21초 GMT+09:00, Matthias Apitz wrote: >El día Friday, June 10, 2016 a las 07:09:13PM -0500, Don Harper >escribió: > >> Matthias, >> I am not sure of the other poster has a question, but I was wondering >if >> you ever got suspend/resume working on your C720? If so, can you >point >> me to some docs or give a quick write-up on where to go look? > >As I said to Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희), I own two of these devices and >support one more used by some customer. All of them run a r292778 and >ports compiled with poudriere. I started in January 2015 with this and >followed Michael's blog post here: https://blog.grem.de/pages/c720.html >I think, he was the first making patches (now in head) to support this >device and he gave me a lot of help too. I'm attaching my step-by-step >guide which explains how to tweak the Chromebook to support FreeBSD >boot, how to make a USB key etc. > >Suspend until now is not working, at least not in the kernel I'm using. >I will update it soon to a today's head to see how far the support for >Haswell >chips is. > > matthias Tonight i will discuss to buy C720 with my wife. You are best guy, Matthias! Sincerely, -- ^고맙습니다 감사합니다_^))// From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 11 08:20:37 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5011AEFC6C for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:20:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E6792AC0 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:20:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [82.113.99.131] (helo=[10.43.6.131]) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1bBe9h-00024J-UQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 10:20:34 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 10:20:30 +0200 User-Agent: Dekko/0.6.20; Qt/5.4.1; ubuntumirclient; Linux; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4ff2d7a2-9f77-4194-8d73-13126a1c4a83@unixarea.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4BC7E222-EC18-46AB-BF94-DF06AF70A28E@doraji.xyz> <1EDE9C05-0E09-4BFB-80EB-DFCF7F521711@doraji.xyz> <20160610182551.GB1869@c720-r292778-amd64> <20160611000913.xug7mjpszwz5wcsk@duckland.org> <20160611062121.GA1904@c720-r292778-amd64> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 82.113.99.131 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:20:37 -0000 On Saturday, 11 June 2016 09:27:03 CEST, Byung-Hee HWANG (=ED=99=A9=EB=B3=91=ED= =9D=AC)=20 wrote: >=20 > Tonight i will discuss to buy C720 with my wife. ... Are they really still in the market? Do not buy the C720P which I think,=20 will not work. matthias --=20 Sent from my Ubuntu phone http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 11 08:43:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556ECAD9417 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:43:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soyeomul@doraji.xyz) Received: from mail-pf0-x234.google.com (mail-pf0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17CC425C5 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:43:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soyeomul@doraji.xyz) Received: by mail-pf0-x234.google.com with SMTP id y124so30485613pfy.0 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 01:43:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=doraji.xyz; s=google-2048-bit; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=WLmCtVeeCQ+4ZNpzXgWbaHU70664JECFXis3EXG39kk=; b=ZxEMRv7QtCv95QWZbXH6njZZPSuCi1YRl/DKctT0mrZJr7qk02KD7MbOxAL04x0mmM IkSBDhMc5RxnSg0Vhlpv2t1LwCoCicmX2W59OR+bJIkLM14pNyvqybv7ROKPp05DzXJj LGwk1MydFRuoxDxKRmaR834ESLb8Nvu1ytrWmBVDPKOLh4jgId+xnAet5HH+/AJL80VN OHfCeWC8czUlA1gaF2D34QpAHkRXvtscUBItX0kixLW3n6fxMW1DdXnbxz2S5D9Klzgh UhGGJqmfscVzIwsrwzuKch65gTyILwri0RL8/5fBIdGUfJoi2lOTFUf3aigapjyPMdQL bE6A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=WLmCtVeeCQ+4ZNpzXgWbaHU70664JECFXis3EXG39kk=; b=Xl4qLkv2amFkWXo2V3wPNPSjTP27WIzWMPKKnn13tdHWOWBqTqT/bxk+5H7YLF16qy YjWsa2BF8OmWg5mYS1Ac3i8tEUqE9XyLNS3wW/daVxNKgKTL4rS4SuHjR9Cl3t6gXtmG GeDRflpLNI5s7LEIrSum1Vwl95tOEBcrKxnj8FIL6jepFb2yeFzy4vYP87fg9vQQIDEp +Yq6YLTHDKanTRIaGkj+CgOw3kgymQrCnW6bgH1kEBrH7S313gsQqiZWx+2yayIrSLdO RhzJNpv/3aUO8KADVeX2iZD4GyRSJisU6Enl/fckoWDMxDQFht3UCc/8Bdmx6mrWr9FK Z+HQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tISETEIEVjowjnEo0ulKH8IR6yRj/aFFAS7ORfuYoWZbQwZz4V1CLM0fedAey/Tww== X-Received: by 10.98.63.199 with SMTP id z68mr7389903pfj.41.1465634618515; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 01:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [102.35.57.42] ([39.7.47.204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x186sm22927685pfb.88.2016.06.11.01.43.36 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 Jun 2016 01:43:37 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <4ff2d7a2-9f77-4194-8d73-13126a1c4a83@unixarea.de> References: <4BC7E222-EC18-46AB-BF94-DF06AF70A28E@doraji.xyz> <1EDE9C05-0E09-4BFB-80EB-DFCF7F521711@doraji.xyz> <20160610182551.GB1869@c720-r292778-amd64> <20160611000913.xug7mjpszwz5wcsk@duckland.org> <20160611062121.GA1904@c720-r292778-amd64> <4ff2d7a2-9f77-4194-8d73-13126a1c4a83@unixarea.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: =?UTF-8?B?Qnl1bmctSGVlIEhXQU5HICjtmanrs5Htnawp?= Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 17:43:31 +0900 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:43:39 -0000 On 2016년 6월 11일 오후 5시 20분 30초 GMT+09:00, Matthias Apitz wrote: > [...] Do not buy the C720P which I >think, >will not work. > >matthias Yes. Thank you so much! Sincerely, -- ^고맙습니다 감사합니다_^))// From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 11 18:12:07 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA3FAF0899 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:12:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [84.22.110.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE012CF0 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:12:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 81D723855CC; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 19:48:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 19:48:49 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: When your server boots too fast: How to slow it down? Message-ID: <20160611174849.GA2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:12:08 -0000 --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline For the last days I have been wondering why some daemons don't start during boot process e.g., ssh, tinc and postfix. Today I noticed the following /var/log/messages: 8<---- Jun 11 17:52:52 box-hlm-03 postfix[908]: fatal: parameter inet_interfaces: no local interface found for Jun 11 17:52:53 box-hlm-03 sshd[970]: error: Bind to port 22 on failed: Can't assign requested address. 8<---- `sockstat -46lj 0` shows that postfix isn't running at all and sshd only listens on IPv4. But if I issue service sshd restart service postfix restart service tincd restart all (re)start without any problems. Checking `sockstat`, then, they listen on IPv4 and IPv6. I assume that it takes a bit for my server to get its public IPv6. So it isn't assigned when sshd, postfix, and tincd are started; thus all of them (partly) fail. It's just an assumption, the only idea I have to explain this behaviour. Can I configure the machine to sleep a short while before starting the programs mentioned above or after bringing the public interface up, assigning the IP address? Niklaas --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXXE70AAoJEG2fODeJrIU/njsP/23MPT7NuQwJv1U5szfmoYYZ cDTiy2r6v9lf0VQf3OlQs7Eb9Iah3Xtczds4W35S/xEYl9xLLUhtZ+59HB44ORvH 5zTa3dQheZ+S0UQRbuM2J+4ekS5Y+LT68CAHPd+okTNxqXf7CyzWA6mC2ZvzA9tj NbghjnMRM7zfJ946BjEVu8LqNOif90vF2B5voylSaKqCXozbozHfWW8sFr5bRTVw ZJmpMTdP2oG1cXDxxbj5F5UHd4NFQ6+ML6kzi/qwsgr/+3GYJZSR2phKimN5W0U8 vCKxi6eGCg6YRvHiWQo38zPhgfMQrlJKy+BLGM7+d1YqLmagQxlSpCcsV7iUOUNh Yc5sx01xGRM/9AoBTMlHL5XTr5b5zzv2Zz7nL2zKJN0S4dxU+jxajAnsirGhSzfw FYJzthZ0VRx1KLgUgviJi6I0VwbEuKZdZ4k10LpM3ArP+Tga7j7qynrGfhv8f9zm 2OmPr14ysIFpUtNOuQOphrswzpFeX+q0r61d0b39YZE71mIHEtnX1H6ahc9H1WhW T7iE13EMcGzS2p4sae0DChBxFqOevU7tvk+MWWSeF03lEoe1sXn4+q08yGBDsrtM a80X1A2Q2nap02cX3s6rWcl6BHLSU0Fnt75FOKzewWEf+pZYAnuZmn9lWqEaIxYG lbd+HG0eIEfJw4DzneAh =VtMk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 11 18:23:54 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CC9AF0AEE for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:23:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x229.google.com (mail-qk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 286F32109 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:23:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x229.google.com with SMTP id s186so52296364qkc.1 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:23:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=b0yo12h5qliVYciM2R7KEGj9/dUx/5ywqn6VChAPArM=; b=W/6hKdnRnWsqsXWxw7kv3866Kf0STK+M1V8AsJLKmmH4Yakq+bHCxeRhb1aishOqfv QcB6QXARKzxKiMsbI/YBkPzcaoa2hSg/+lzs5aUA7BIrNEMDVvc80LpAMlTmk9MzFPVJ wE8c3aHcNOOzoHH+9w4H9v73vD0W624PDewsfvG+8R6XdI6sRy4bF29+KHVNkFIaesZi EPav45+r+JhYp4Q1SotP9uZfmBM0j7HT5nclXz1GNVrgEoiG1Za+drCgfqGPDJdk+Oo3 XsEbCmTiyPVhI/tHfntpjuD7fUSIMnkhG3X2n8ZzCbwtx5F7IOagZjHIbm+8PdxjN7Lq DSEg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=b0yo12h5qliVYciM2R7KEGj9/dUx/5ywqn6VChAPArM=; b=ly8OMtG8RGU0oidofUyV3HxVkBTRWsGU0FNjS8wpU70mn2R2iwr2cSkNThDEsjsECg Clu4P/BhWxzEYyPQWUuAHZ9RgZ2CtTQvvStsdJ6eyTUra6X0uY6b2B9pbraSSKHyZx2A tS8bTF5u/6FJeSMURv7IX80mptCtQ8WNmE5v+scYZpDCTOBKA+jpZ15g3AyDGsYR9KKD 0ljS9C1hPzqrnyxUSPpQeZSBkIu/ajLI1JLgxga+ofxDu1PAi6zXtw0lAJBo/lxx3Ic/ O8n1N8lmDqe0/h2vu23HrRSqxxj4SwHbyPIN/Skfe97uF7DzD8BD1f4LsbT2EEw01l9R lyDg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tL2J5vzDIrwQ/QK80rljBEAwCqIFRWtZlw1qQhuphjyBvqNQrEzrSVOaNFS7gGAGodFbmlbPTO4mUDFNqf6 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.165.4 with SMTP id o4mr7501690qke.15.1465669433200; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.200.39.226 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:23:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160611174849.GA2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> References: <20160611174849.GA2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:23:53 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: When your server boots too fast: How to slow it down? From: Michael Sierchio To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:23:54 -0000 On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff < stdin@niklaas.eu> wrote: > For the last days I have been wondering why some daemons don't > start during boot process e.g., ssh, tinc and postfix. Today > I noticed the following /var/log/messages: > > 8<---- > Jun 11 17:52:52 box-hlm-03 postfix[908]: fatal: parameter > inet_interfaces: no local interface found for > Jun 11 17:52:53 box-hlm-03 sshd[970]: error: Bind to port 22 on > failed: Can't assign requested address. > 8<---- > > `sockstat -46lj 0` shows that postfix isn't running at all and > sshd only listens on IPv4. > > But if I issue > > service sshd restart > service postfix restart > service tincd restart > > all (re)start without any problems. Checking `sockstat`, then, > they listen on IPv4 and IPv6. > > I assume that it takes a bit for my server to get its public > IPv6. So it isn't assigned when sshd, postfix, and tincd are > started; thus all of them (partly) fail. It's just an > assumption, the only idea I have to explain this behaviour. > Assuming your external IP is assigned via DHCP... in /etc/rc.conf ifconfig_="SYNCDHCP" - M From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 11 19:32:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18CCAEFA0F for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 19:32:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [IPv6:2a02:2770:15:0:21a:4aff:feaa:e902]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5562F6F for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 19:32:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CD032385519; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 21:32:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 21:32:25 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When your server boots too fast: How to slow it down? Message-ID: <20160611193225.GB2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160611174849.GA2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="neYutvxvOLaeuPCA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 19:32:24 -0000 --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Sierchio [2016-06-11 11:23 -0700] : > Assuming your external IP is assigned via DHCP... in /etc/rc.conf >=20 > ifconfig_=3D"SYNCDHCP" Indeed I had ifconfig_vtnet0=3D"DHCP" in rc.conf because the public IPv4 is assigned by the router. However, changing it to SYNCDHCP helped only partly. Now, tincd starts but both postfix and sshd still fail. Does SYNCDHCP also apply to IPv6? I did some research in /etc/rc.d and found out that there is also synchronous_dhclient=3D"YES" Am I right assuming that it's the same as SYNCDHCP but for *every* interface? Niklaas --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXXGdDAAoJEG2fODeJrIU/QtAP/3gw/gj3W3nVT5z5VVtkIHvN aD7y4S8yvIM7Gyrt27BjWyeN9bINdqyWhmyg+cZPgugLBcWXwj1fa74HYFmlE3FF MWUrZA7H/shn6w+YhChGkzQfUTVQtNnAyYSMTHJii2wAw52kzcumuezxlICNj/wy aB8IijU2jdKy7s7p9RBEuHhmBga6wIxKL6FSV/zcvG8LJVJFTmLees84jdaCRbtw CxHTf4BUJ9irUyuSMMuYw2lC23HGzvlM5WVMo0JlBuGBMCfWopw6HC2oR6LTtXNi Iof3X0sxcviReHRK/hPWp4XQnmnbLezCvQCpw+NVV6briIdNsSsZ90DBmjRuRbUo 4hK/YXQb25Djn1EwhiAcz+sQBH1aAkIk1hDqHWxB7wRS5DoGSRCdZuVi4cKfTe01 /zDN5Mzk3lNgHMT7CxUm8YNbLbb8pzgA+JCtK5KukCWawI+v4xdwQlw2u4ccH1lp c0iZ3If202DGwiB7vFH8XJGCbFa3iKaSHSh5szmS09sAWsu343YUkFY/eyAe4CMQ 42VExOPhh+VHTRQ+JRgBePhp9TZysuxAt2f4qK26440df2p+zS2DaNTprxTvKnTA iAMpm+0e0fbvemDt3WBI9kWr1X/wNYnrblGlHlVSrNzKg7pLx8p7VCDHgrXKNbA0 z+j1ldTKWCEzWPkQY0/+ =VtJ9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 11 19:57:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796DBAEFEE2 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 19:57:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E4B6285D for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 19:57:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE37620C9; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oOamRz3hK51L; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CDBFA62239; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=harte-lyne.ca; s=dkim_hll; t=1465674510; bh=OawB0eHHFEOHCqY53RhQ98QfLS9uplpVbMC8QCbVPVY=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:Reply-To; b=F96nvM4bpDENx3/FdRuJa9twfo1gnvpZCMVfF3l1HggBJUo2GJEXFfEg8NFdyTwvd oCowpqL+g0N2qeNt4kmyd9W+gbvkO23WqaIZuHx7ws9pS6pCf4UwAmcSwLIvPwt5gC vQs1N7ht7wDM7hU+eZsSkOsBdp8teYeUoLfoZYCvwNaQm00IdnmoghwkjY08ReXUqo l4k/worpWLQf3dBbrk/cIKWsIhP4VTCDyuzJJ2ogMSc4sCzOkFtKl9JrQ4KSNa5PIA bLNCcHGYTrFKpJLLlydasyan94gOSOj1arQTzRXuoHyVqUM7QcfDvymeN3aAq9SjdZ UFmXy9NYowdkg== Received: from 216.185.71.22 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:30 -0400 Message-ID: <2dbf8c17dedd15d1b696a92232d655e0.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:30 -0400 Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: "James B. Byrne" To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Cc: "User Questions" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-4.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 19:57:09 -0000 On Fri, June 10, 2016 12:51, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > Indeed. I remember some 10 or 15 years ago someone said: having a > mac is like driving ferrari. Ford or subaru will get you around > same well, but but ferrari gives you that chic ;-) > > Valeri More like a Benz. My MacBook pro 17" is seven years old as of February past and still runs well. Actually, really well. Before this I never had a laptop survive more than three years before some critical piece of irreplaceable hardware failed. Many not even that long (Sony Vaio ~9 months, HPQ whatever made with LCM chips only certified to 40C [saved a fortune in costs -- ~$0.005 per unit -- over chips certified to80C] ~13 months.) Unfortunately, contemporary Macs are monolithic beasts. Like the iPhone you cannot even open them to change a battery; much less add memory or storage. So bye-bye Apple when I finally do have to upgrade. But the machine I have is wonderful. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 11 20:04:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549DDAF010C for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 20:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [84.22.110.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2306C2C0A for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 20:04:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9674A385519; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 22:04:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 22:04:48 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When your server boots too fast: How to slow it down? Message-ID: <20160611200448.GC2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160611174849.GA2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160611193225.GB2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/e2eDi0V/xtL+Mc8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160611193225.GB2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 20:04:47 -0000 --/e2eDi0V/xtL+Mc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff [2016-06-11 21:32 +0200] : > in rc.conf because the public IPv4 is assigned by the router. > However, changing it to SYNCDHCP helped only partly. Now, > tincd starts but both postfix and sshd still fail. Additionally to SYNCDHCP, I added the following three lines: netwait_enable="YES" netwait_if="" netwait_ip="" This solves the problem. But this also requires me to predict the IPv6 that the server gets from the router. In this special case I know it because my provider will only assign me one in particular. But maybe there's something like SYNCDHCP for IPv6 too? Niklaas --/e2eDi0V/xtL+Mc8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXXG7ZAAoJEG2fODeJrIU/uZwQAJ8zAYbbx1B8ZU0eSWpDf7Nu TurBnLx2qL7WmDceYgsqUOs0Ggu1hIM/gyFxy6peL6QWnzr/d4X0wq2B+3tdGIor R7HYCy/hMUUO76d6SVtQgns6TbgGy1eG+CpjlvXYn3Ja8Tf1rzaKBTMMQFWULN+Y 9o8s7UFNmc5V4fxvbNaDOu/XAXW2P5FYO/a4v6FUJ//47bX//Rmby3RBhFb7jnaT 9S2fIRlwCKbdljFk0LOUBkoMdpkyQhZl6SkoWCJbrfOIOYSHtHxu/sViaP/TBXE7 ElqfgxArkMoSUJn3Lhe3BMe2Vi107o6SJT9V8snS8SeSokw2CPtlXLj8vsslhlKJ /GJLktTC6a1P+AD1XTpXL2uE89gBTFS5Zk1wcUC8aGvLqGVNJ4iCHWm2/eXVp+iU 0I302MPfnYVxZqgjgWb0ySs1p71NWAfjVwikMOpM6E4ClFQxBIf7SG7eSBP8jcEd Vkn2GDELoi5s6Zhrzt0O+hylQs04K9DhTT8L3tIo+LCfiYAvAN16s1UUKk/NNBRn EHVc9trLG/5vlY5/4nZ1jkxP8+3K++m9Wn7sA6a7+SzAYOv6x+/S64Pd0Gqc1vXw Gx1bX61DHrqFBt72Li8n3+qfOwxBy9j7zh3YV1htBqBwGgNYxKYULPXU2jgn87te XoQYNcCcDNPkj8S3IG8X =3vVy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/e2eDi0V/xtL+Mc8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 11 20:31:44 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC758AF0767 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 20:31:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADAF727E9 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 20:31:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 862CCCB8CAA; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:31:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 76.193.17.37 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:31:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <51101.76.193.17.37.1465677098.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <2dbf8c17dedd15d1b696a92232d655e0.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> References: <2dbf8c17dedd15d1b696a92232d655e0.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:31:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu, "User Questions" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 20:31:45 -0000 On Sat, June 11, 2016 2:48 pm, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On Fri, June 10, 2016 12:51, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> > >> >> Indeed. I remember some 10 or 15 years ago someone said: having a >> mac is like driving ferrari. Ford or subaru will get you around >> same well, but but ferrari gives you that chic ;-) >> >> Valeri > > > More like a Benz. My MacBook pro 17" is seven years old as of > February past and still runs well. Actually, really well. Before > this I never had a laptop survive more than three years before some > critical piece of irreplaceable hardware failed. Many not even that > long (Sony Vaio ~9 months, HPQ whatever made with LCM chips only > certified to 40C [saved a fortune in costs -- ~$0.005 per unit -- over > chips certified to80C] ~13 months.) My crude way to predict laptop hardware longevity (or rather to spot the ones likely to die soon) is: I grab laptop body with two hands on opposite sides and try to flex it into propeller shape. The easier it flexes, the higher is likelyhood it will fail soon. As, when used and carried around, it will flex, which causes system board flex. (common jargon "motherboard" is used for 20+ years for system board.) The last makes copper leads of system board go to plastic deformations in some places, become brittle because of that and finally system board will develop micro cracks of some copper leads. This does not guarantee solid built laptop will be good for many years, but it is good test to rule out ultimate junk. Example of something that passes this test but is bad is (as everybody praises macs, I will mention bad for balance): MacBook Pro 15 inch manufactured around 2010 with NVIDIA chip. Soon after warranty (Apple 3 year "protection" plan) ended, newly released MacOS system, if installed on it, will crash it (cause kernel panic inside nvidia kernel module). Voila, your 3 year excellent hardware is junk. Is in my book, as the only reason for me to have macintosh is to support my macintosh users, almost all of whom are definitely upgraded to latest MacOS as their sysadmin (myself) recommended. And for that particular laptop system upgrade is a no-no... Well, sorry about rant. People seem to love Apple so much (which is confirmed by the $$ they pay), and Apple is great where it is great, but it has its share of trash (small, let's be fair). Valeri > > Unfortunately, contemporary Macs are monolithic beasts. Like the > iPhone you cannot even open them to change a battery; much less add > memory or storage. So bye-bye Apple when I finally do have to > upgrade. But the machine I have is wonderful. > > -- > *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** > Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail > Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail > > James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca > Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca > 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 > Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 > Canada L8E 3C3 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++