From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 11 20:30:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (ha1.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.68]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851B53F0F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:30:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from tristan.net ([24.114.108.234]) by mail.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <20000212031822.DDSH25652.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@tristan.net>; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:18:22 -0800 Content-Length: 1778 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7654.950241961@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:16:25 -0500 (EST) From: Colin To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: RE: My views on Eclipse/BSD Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As one of the masses that could probably be accused of "whining" about the conditions that eclipse was released under, I figure I better say a little more. I think what Lucent has done here is "a good thing" ;) At the very least it gives us a benchmark to work against. At the best, it gives us a chance to get ahead of the rest of the world in a very important area. Having said that, there seemed to be a nascent movement to absorb what Lucent released into FreeBSD, which I see as a "not quite good thing". Working with network management and QoS all day every day, my experience so far is that we are still too early in the game to say that we have seen the light and it is now available for download at... I think what Lucent is trying to do here is prod the software industry and see what happens. Working for a different telecom, I can say there is a lot of doubt about QoS implementations, not least because the engineers writing the standards aren't all that sure about what they're doing yet. This, I guess, is one of the joys of being out in front ;) On 11-Feb-2000 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I saw the Lucent folks behind this when they first brought a demo of > Eclipse to FreeBSDCon '99 and, frankly, I was just pleased that they > were willing to show up as exhibitors and to show it off at all. > This I definately agree with. Finally, I would hazard to say the licensing that Lucent released Eclipse under is not a great leap back from the BSD license, rather a small step sideways. The BSD license says, in effect, do what you like with this code. Lucent's license says, again in effect, do what you like with this code, just don't use it as the basis for a commercial product. Draw your own conclusions ;) cheers, Colin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message