From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 12:50:00 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5CAC48426 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:50:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY004-OMC4S16.hotmail.com (bay004-omc4s16.hotmail.com [65.54.190.218]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3D6A1595 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:49:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR03-AM5-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.54.190.200]) by BAY004-OMC4S16.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Fri, 18 Nov 2016 04:48:54 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=laSseVQtyudEN12EiuwPgQbkuifwNTKqtnftWr9s8bg=; b=ilO2rOs9kidyDheaKbwzTQq2Rtplkikud+M6ef8evuFUmajBUCAqyMC7Wz5cjWDcnpAkN6N8hBNU91lvlzWXMMnsV1dCvtJkSErR5EWu0IlTa4m1ZTt0LUACnMZBoNNhyUEfNEWdxFU66k0J/VdJQ5we/KzfOjJAiOH/dWNpTImGEG1YiQJKOo5NLudCgj2KTXkZYQPdFJNKx2xOGjMyM94P53tZnnM1bPiUh8rApwVmmJSQ9v0h4pfHE+XGcMZK1L7FWpDX/k0aCHcccw53wCsOFDcKzEoMImDy6xhnn80Nri+Z2SvtJswsXgIHHiDamucEdcTucz/BUTEpZgMTZg== Received: from AM5EUR03FT006.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.16.51) by AM5EUR03HT134.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.17.249) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.721.5; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:48:48 +0000 Received: from VI1PR02MB0974.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.152.16.58) by AM5EUR03FT006.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.16.122) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.721.5 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:48:49 +0000 Received: from VI1PR02MB0974.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.163.162.28]) by VI1PR02MB0974.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.163.162.28]) with mapi id 15.01.0734.007; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:48:48 +0000 From: Manish Jain To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" CC: "ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com" Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Thread-Topic: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Thread-Index: AQHSQZobsUBlms+kEESrU+B18bzAGA== Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:48:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: freebsd.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;freebsd.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=hotmail.com; x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:; UpperCasedChecksum:; SizeAsReceived:7361; Count:37 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-incomingheadercount: 37 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; AM5EUR03HT134; 7:Upg3BrzqcKGKKfCzS6kQ9C8xdt9bAllzGpnqRmx0zwIP6eJ0Qs4OFgzMh5tQXadGXQKw4opTK9mAXW4vGKH6Ik5M43FccUt85ykjc348OgENMv6B0csBq0O5n0KJL5cU4QyKQqQZorbqjT5f3UiNS6mH+a7grbW+R2bm6jf7AHELdVuGnF/QRSUFmE9vtOEkyzFxsTFpAbFoaMwIWrEiOSHW6drGknr0TqR/2V0rZxI7/7sIH51iZL5Vrq2sld2yv88NT5PUbB8GRfh4MqxXYYIk4RU6RvY44pQXcY8cBf1YSd+3TOyj5OpEngScUxkQF+X6jd/2RTg68HPGiqt46Yf0Yqn8Ri6p2T+dAOI3ua0= x-forefront-antispam-report: EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:AM5EUR03HT134; H:VI1PR02MB0974.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 1b2a9575-be74-429a-aa85-08d40fb13cf4 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(22001)(1601124038)(1603103113)(1601125047); SRVR:AM5EUR03HT134; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:AM5EUR03HT134; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:AM5EUR03HT134; x-forefront-prvs: 01304918F3 spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 18 Nov 2016 12:48:48.6929 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5EUR03HT134 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2016 12:48:54.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EAED8F0:01D2419A] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:50:00 -0000 On 11/18/16 17:30, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote: > Depending on what you want to archive, there are good reasons to prefer > FreeBSD over Linux or vice versa, but systemd for sure doesn't change > Linux in a way, that migrating to FreeBSD makes sense, if Linux was the > right choice without systemd No personal offence intended, but let me tell you a thing about Linux=20 and all the crap that keeps cropping up in that world. Ever since this=20 beautiful thing systemd popped up, I have tried 2 Linux distros for my=20 second box - OpenSuse 42.1 and K Ubuntu 16.10. On OpenSuse, my printer=20 does not work, and under Ubuntu, my APC UPS does not work. Repeated=20 messages to help forums produced no response whatever. If my basic=20 hardware does not work, what was the point of a new thing called systemsd ? This is not just systemd - it is simply too much, way too much choice=20 and no maturity/stability in every thing Linux does. One day they call=20 it eth0, the next they start calling it enp3s0. One day man, the next=20 info. One day they use ext2, the next ext3, the next ext4, and the next=20 btrfs and the next ... God knows. Nobody has good explanations, just=20 fancy ideas when new flux is introduced. When there is so much=20 turbulence at the core, the world will collapse. What killed Unix was, besides the inexorable sums of money AT&T wanted,=20 the unforgiving inclination to create a new distro whenever somebody had=20 learnt the basics of Unix. That endemic has turned to epidemic now that=20 Unix is Open Source Linux. Linux can't ever do the basic things of=20 standardization and documentation at the core level. For hardware that works under FreeBSD, there really is no better choice=20 than to stick to FreeBSD. You could waste some money getting the right=20 hardware, but you have long term peace. Try that under Windows or Linux. Regards Manish Jain