Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:14:27 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> To: Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net> Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org, tlambert@primenet.com, drosih@rpi.edu, Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: NO MORE '-BETA' Message-ID: <XFMail.010316181427.jhb@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20010316173209.W29888@fw.wintelcom.net>
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On 17-Mar-01 Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> [010316 17:26] wrote: >> >> On 17-Mar-01 Alfred Perlstein wrote: >> > * John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> [010316 17:16] wrote: >> >> >> >> On 17-Mar-01 Alfred Perlstein wrote: >> >> > * Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com> [010316 16:44] wrote: >> >> >> > Let's just add something to cvsup to prompt the user? Or something >> >> >> > in the build process that's interactive? or what? >> >> >> >> >> >> How about turning it off to all but authorized users (those who have >> >> >> a registered cvsup key, as on freefall) during release periods? >> >> > >> >> > The real pain is that there doesn't seem to be a way stop users from >> >> > upgrading before they actually do it. >> >> > >> >> > I think what'll happen is that sometime tomorrow I'll add an option >> >> > to newvers.sh to detect a cross version change and have the world >> >> > and installworld and installkernel targets check and prompt unless >> >> > something like EARLY_ADOPTER=YES is set in make.conf or you're >> >> > building a 'release'. >> >> > >> >> > Would that be ok? >> >> >> >> So you will prompt them wiht a question that will make them ignore it >> >> and cut and paste it into a message and mail it off to a dozen lists >> >> screaming about it? If they can't manage to follow -stable or read the >> >> FAQ, what makes you think they will bother with reading the message you >> >> output with going into hysteria? They've already demonstrated a lack >> >> of reading ability or willingness or something. >> > >> > Those people can go fly a kite. >> >> These are the same people who complained about -BETA that got you started >> off >> on this whole thread to begin with. Please pick one position and stick with >> it, K PLZ THX. > > I am, my point is that it sucks. Normally just saying something sucks > is frowned on, but I'm also giving some ways to fix it. No you are switching positions. First, we have to remove all mention of -BETA to be nice to people, and now you say that those same people can "go fly a kite". Why not tell them that when they complained about -BETA? >> > You stated that -BETA actually is a bit less stable than -STABLE and >> > hence should be -BETA. The problem is that: >> > THERE'S NO WARNING UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY BOOT WITH YOUR '-BETA' SYSTEM >> >> Sure there is, it's called the mailing list. If you cvsup -current there's >> also no warning until you boot with your -CURRENT system, although I see you >> kindly ignored my pointing that out last time. > > Because it was a silly point, you need to explicitly modify your > cvsup file to do so. Or use the wrong one because you didn't read the docco. The only people who are confused about -BETA are the ones who haven't bothered to read the release schedule posted to -stable or the entry in the FAQ, so they are just as likely the same people who cvsup current accidentally due to lack of reading docco. > Also, my "world target checking with newver.sh" solution would protect > you from that as well. It will annoy those who already know what they are doing, and it won't do any good for those who don't because if they are this far along w/o knowing they obviously aren't reading the docco. If they didn't read it the first time, they aren't going to read it the 10th. -- John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message
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