From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Feb 16 16:03:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05554239A54 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 16:03:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from troubledaemon@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2b.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48LBkB5zK8z4N2c for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 16:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from troubledaemon@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2b.google.com with SMTP id u10so6556618qvi.2 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 08:03:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=tf8z/LnfsBxvMxBshO8p8JJh6+8H8WjSexe/RLDAx7w=; b=jnA+o8HSegb4LSyDYAti5rtQPm73UhiiIh93P7VyHu6EOWwcvkjVbybFudepI4tTPQ XdKTlkVhzy53MX2aHSj104wx0Iio2lZ+I4OJOHf/7WuLT0pv4j5e7E+KzJ2OIjYFFTk+ UrHF3j4Ymf4YcprPGEZvHEzdQjNpusjPVeGSS8yIA3k7DFpoqAmLUJ2rJmrGKgekZLdz u4e0p/SOX6HECjtIBHCC6n6RTgaeHCU8sr6VjCf4fdvGfcBl9r+VOLy+fAg2/PLYt72J APoPQmlj/AIqcmL9zbZ5MVNFAeXFsEiMEDdxNe3aP8M5h09WTePoFG/L5JrRBscUXAlm OmLQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=tf8z/LnfsBxvMxBshO8p8JJh6+8H8WjSexe/RLDAx7w=; b=nX7WqJTMyiCwG9Za1o7u52xQktqELuyGSSutz3zg6KYNWTex/f+qtmzeRcXBmLVXM5 JG2ihI8karEdZe78J/1d1iPlZ4IcwGJQzlsVL9HCHqT5sIIk9Mj1Yis0CyUuoAXeWHUw PI7BuYkLbISZAoOFrrkEdydJE5K7clKfEmOffPAv0ujN3FZYpoEo2S+V+zStjeGMDTL5 KjSd6jJ0WMWxUmeqR3H7+DubAwyp+voQIQL75UR03lP6O96ZkfE4Hgl0XkBLHiUykAer 8Y/4IrsU7YSuuueEbnFVwEzSTcTmN//T2BE2fxhR+zav4v23FXwlZSvnQUxKi36MbELx e3zQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVYF5MFRbjinZ5k+5qM61phl/Myt6VzybJR9bNyOi2epiV3ECA9 JKkGcG/aBIquRo2+582L8n2MF7yVSgQP1kwJ/icOSQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw/7fSf10QvnhvnNg3UCa2mz/IHnsD7Ib7XUW+OX7j+4ku9ug9zwh3OkYrAhND28qqkM4YZKmflXhgs6EmZdj8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:1933:: with SMTP id es19mr9484830qvb.14.1581869020085; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 08:03:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3743CEAE-BCC9-479E-8367-F3DA0E30496E@kreme.com> <8f730541-97c5-0e9a-14d6-a92bc795db62@gjunka.com> In-Reply-To: <8f730541-97c5-0e9a-14d6-a92bc795db62@gjunka.com> From: Dan McGrath Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 11:03:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Starting with poudriere To: Grzegorz Junka Cc: FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48LBkB5zK8z4N2c X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=jnA+o8HS; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of troubledaemon@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=troubledaemon@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-6.17), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.89), asn: 15169(-1.68), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[danmcgrathca@gmail.com,troubledaemon@gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[danmcgrathca@gmail.com,troubledaemon@gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 16:03:48 -0000 Hi, On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 10:51 AM Grzegorz Junka wrote: > Just a note that this is not a strict requirement. I have been upgrading > from FreeBSD 9 to 12 currently and was always building on the same > system that I am deploying to. Yes, poudriere will complain that the > jail is newer than the base system, but that did not create any major > practical problem for me yet. > > I think only on one occasion I got a build error due to missing symbols. > Then the solution for me was to upgrade the base system. This of course > broke the applications that were installed for the older base, but > thanks to the FreeBSD's separation of base from ports, it's still > possible to start FreeBSD with just the command line. Then I finished > building the ports and reinstalled them. > > Not that I encourage this approach, it might create additional issues to > solve, but it is possible/manageable and shouldn't be held against using > poudriere. > Ah, good to know. It's been a long time now since I ran into that, so I was a little hazy on the details of the error. I love the separation of FreeBSD from ports, and indeed, being able to recover from broken userland is nice, although I hate the days where I remove libs first, then try run sudo, and have to go in via BMC. Worse is if you have a critical website down. Especially if you have to stop and spend a bunch of time compiling ports before you go live! :D Also, tex and llvm, wtf is with those build times?! heh Anyway, thanks for clarifying! Cheers, Dan McGrath