From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 13:02:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69867C48C33 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:02:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCB671FED for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:02:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1479474131; bh=YUl2l3QJ8Wypgimo9Aif+IE0BQWZzNUaCOiJUprH5hA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=Rjt9tK1/Iwogocdr8sO67TaBEukkKf3dk2d+4Kg961KEHo/VmvW3slACF/plG9/KKIRUXq/YO5dgxm3wnRUM0CmUmHnbSHv/RIQbrxixBPWBmdDvRbXkLTImbBSECBnB9ZFbbjFwuc6wSbW/Tq4n/V5izKiaR9YvdzIcfgLGiAkIMTLoFK6ezXCUPWqEq5KNbU2RXFN0XoyQup4KNuArYmyMXSix+wxASJZSz3ZKSiQxHVYvNBmsQb06lcOTFS6iA5vPunr53LzitWvOE41UJnaaOsBUGRCGKMdKElwKbjEprCVwALtE/Q9Vd915UIeOaFkZG1MHshPP9/5iJUJYbA== Received: from [212.82.98.125] by nm35.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 13:02:11 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.99] by tm18.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 13:02:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp136.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 13:02:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 698754.59437.bm@smtp136.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 13Mn1goVM1lRO.mvdQGpFM8hx_vMRV0PE1fdgA4px0Facfc .M8KWHm_Pw8nCPmENM.PWbtaVnK6.MxuqQmhQsvvvsFKAF9VM4Gmwm7TlbXn kR9OEBt65Iwaf_7a.qr0mPN1OBQK0lYglXR6bnjktsBJBi5_KjacUDs20GEt aAuwR2yk1EgzYKEptM9Gfxrg2LXjLdf.Q7YlCt1sZj4fKjy1390yGszVHmsh YhdNgaorDmcBnkpaASTFGMD6451MRHxUvlyb7d6jnb99w_AmdpsvrjpVTIAS MBBJAqAOlgZ3i2fcTFOcL0cyY_kM1sLAtATz9zUL9lOILC66RTaCn7JwVYrK 8Gl9GgWup73_0yZ9gdiNYUORjese4s5y6PaHYZQ2ezbLjuQ6MbE72kokYPKW wwnWnaZeCR.lEfgq5Y5bmSxhV6Y9RxP3_I4NIF.ZI_vVFld6FwQaZznSQHm9 a2k8OFb7BMHK_na8Xp2lCe2F.hvd83JABNoWf3rVMRpPFXWsYF3gz4S50WjE toZ_QNAWsXZRgsBODMqLjWdnT4nP73cjIyrcJ3b.BNqhjccjtT8PI X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:02:10 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-ID: <20161118140210.35df746a@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20161118120740.cbaf9f31a85b2b19211f5d82@sohara.org> References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> <20161118120740.cbaf9f31a85b2b19211f5d82@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-13-g860ccbc (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:02:19 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:07:40 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:44:07 +0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> Microsoft in its aspect as the global cloud computing company is >> really quite different from Microsoft in its aspect as the PC >> desktop operating system company. > > Yes instead of trying to ensure that every computer you can buy >runs Windows, that every corporate email system runs on Exchange etc. >and everybody has to pay to stay up to date, they want to ensure that >as much of your data as possible lives on their servers so you have to >keep paying to get at it with rented applications. It's still a >lock-in strategy. I'm still less an advocate for Windows or clouds, than already not an advocate for systemd. However, why should a company provide something for free as in beer to other companies, who will use the service to make money? You dislike Microsoft? So do I. I dislike this company for several reasons, but I wouldn't blame them for a valid business model. They need to provide customer support to those who pay for their cloud service. To ensure that issues aren't caused by third party software, part of the service is software. Isn't it good, if they try to provide this software for different operating systems? Customer connectivity is done by reliability. Most customers aren't idealists, they want something commercial doing its job. Regards, Ralf