Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:02:46 +0200 From: Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.org> To: gnome@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: GNOME on BSD: the past and the future] Message-ID: <3C70FB76.C8693E39@FreeBSD.org>
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B336069172BB5FE83A6E0E16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI. Note: Strange, I occasionally found that message in my sobomax@mail.ru spam collector I'm usually using to register with various online services. For some reason despite having CC: gnome@FreeBSD.org it didn't get into the list (I suspect that @iname.com is banned from freebsd.org). -Maxim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: GNOME on BSD: the past and the future Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:11:21 -0500 (EST) From: proclus@iname.com Reply-To: proclus realm <proclus@iname.com> To: sobomax@FreeBSD.ORG CC: Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@mail.ru>, gnome@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG,ade@FreeBSD.ORG Glad to be included on such a friendly list! I'm not yet a FreeBSD maintainer, and I don't even have a FreeBSD machine at this time. My contributions to GNOME and the FreeBSD ports are mostly indirect and relating to their implementation for TDC and GNU-Darwin. http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/tdc.html http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/ports http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/ports/pseudo/ http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/download.html I also implemented the ports and package systems for the Darwin-x86 architecture on a remote machine that was provided by one of our developers, and I automated the building of x86 packages. (It is down for the holidays.:-) http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/x86/ I would enjoy the opportunity to assist with GNOME maintainance for FreeBSD using the ports system, and to give back to two of my favorite free software projects, if you will have me. If you will excuse my un-conventional approach, the above caveats, and my inexperience with FreeBSD itself, then I could utilize remotely one of the computers that have been offered for this purpose. It is not unlike what was required to build our popular GNU-Darwin GNOME distro with the ports system. I have some ideas about expanding the list of GNOME ports, if appropriate, in order to maximize their functionality through bootstrapping. If this is acceptable, then please direct me to the appropriate machine, with the correct account access priviledges, and where to send the packages and CVS the code. Perhaps you have some standard ops for ports maintainers that I could read. Once again, thanks for including me in this interesting discussion. GNOME is perfect for me. Regards, Michael L. Love proclus@iname.com MacCHESS Cornell University http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ On 31 Dec, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > [CC'ed to ports@FreeBSD.org for better reach] > > Dear friends, > > As usual, the very end of the year is a good time to summarize things > that happened during the past year as well as set targets for the next > year. > > The past year was undoubtedly the very successful time for the GNOME > development in general of for FreeBSD porting effort. Several "killer > apps" and core components either reached their 1.0 release, or are close > to that point, and what's more important for us is that most of those > apps are now working on FreeBSD quite stably. Of course this would be > absolutely impossible without the great help from the FreeBSD GNOME > community and I would like to use this opportunity to say "thank you" to > all people who contributed patches, bug reports, suggestions and moral > support. It was really enjoyable to work with you and I look forward to > continuing our fruitful co-operation in the year 2002. > > Speaking about the future, there are several ideas that I would like to > share with you and get your feedback on. > > First of all, it is quite clear that we need to move away from the > existing "one person" development model, because the size of the GNOME > ports sub-collection is growing fast, and things are likely to become > even worse when the GNOME2 platform will start shaping out in the second > half of the 2002. My vision is that we need a team of at least 2-3 > dedicated developers with the write access to FreeBSD ports repository > by the mid-2002 and 5-6 at the end of the year. I have a few potential > candidates on the list and planning to start discussing with each of > them shortly. > > Another thing that I think would be necessary is the dedicated GNOME > packages building machine to test and debug the changes on, because > current bento turn-around times are sub-optimal. If anybody is > interested and has a machine with good connectivity and some spare CPU > cycles - please let me know. > > There are also a number of tasks that are less critical and more > long-term, but they are also have to be eventually addressed: > > 1. Integration of the FreeBSD-specific changes into the main GNOME > repository. As the time goes, this becomes more and more important, > because with each new release the number of local changes and hacks > increases eating up a valuable time due to necessary to merge old > changes into the new code. It would be much easier if we have had a > person with the direct write access into the GNOME cvs repo (another > long-term goal), but there isn't such person yet, so we need to cope > with the problem somehow. It would be great is somebody could pick up > this task, or at least part of it (say only patches for core components > upon which gnomecore depends - see attached list), identify patches that > could be integrated and submit them into the GNOME bug tracking system. > > 2. Creation of the website for the "GNOME on the FreeBSD" FreeBSD > subproject. For example we have such website for Java subproject > (http://www.FreeBSD.org/java/). I have some ideas about possible content > of those pages, so don't hesitate to contact me if you are interested in > doing that. On a related note, we need some form of FAQ with answers to > a common FreeBSD-specific questions, because I see people keep asking > the same ones again and again just wasting their and ours time. I have > archives of gnome@FreeBSD.org alias since its beginning as well as my > answers to GNOME-related question sent to ports@FreeBSD.org before the > alias was created, so what is really necessary here is to do > compilation. Again, if somebody feels adventurous enough to pick this up > - please let me know. > > 3. Better co-operation with the same porting efforts on others BSD > derivatives, most notably NetBSD and GNU/Darwin. Obviously, most of the > FreeBSD-specific changes in our tree aren't really FreeBSD-specific, but > instead BSD-specific, so that all parties could benefit from that by > avoiding duplicate work. From all above, it's most non-obvious task, I > still do not have a clear vision of how this could be attacked. > > 4. Better dialogue with GNOME developers. Since Ade's (who at that time > was the member of GNOME Foundation) resignation there was almost no > relations between FreeBSD and main GNOME developers. Again, I do not > have a clear vision of how to address this problem, perhaps Ade has some > better ideas. Ade? > > Ok folks, that's basically all I have to say on the topic - feel free to > follow-up with your comments, suggestions and feedback. Please note, > however, that I'll be mostly off-line during the next 2 days, so be more > patient - I'll answer eventually. > > And last, but not least, I would like to wish to all users and > developers a happy, prosperous and successful New Year!!! > > -Maxim -- Visit proclus realm! http://proclus.tripod.com/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GMU/S d+@ s: a+ C++++ UBOULI++++$ P+ L+++(++++) E--- W++ N- !o K- w--- !O M++@ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t+++(+) 5+++ X+ R tv-(--)@ b !DI D- G e++++ h--- r+++ y++++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ --------------B336069172BB5FE83A6E0E16 Content-Type: APPLICATION/pgp-signature; name="nsmailB1.TMP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nsmailB1.TMP" LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0NClZlcnNpb246IEdudVBHIHYxLjAuNCAo RGFyd2luKQ0KQ29tbWVudDogRm9yIGluZm8gc2VlIGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZ251cGcub3JnDQoN CmlEOERCUUU4TCtWdWMwUEJOTkowRVJrUkFuRFhBSjl1VyswcVY2MVJ4YTE4SU10dlVJL0Mv MTMxcXdDYkJKYlENCmlERFYvTHpJVVJNRGY1dzhCSHZnUTBFPQ0KPTMrQzENCi0tLS0tRU5E IFBHUCBTSUdOQVRVUkUtLS0tLQ0KDQo= --------------B336069172BB5FE83A6E0E16-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-gnome" in the body of the message
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