From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 22 21:46:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3095316A428; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:46:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F25343D46; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:45:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4934C5D8C; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28305-05; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-122-227.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.122.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DA05C51; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:45:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43AB1E65.2030501@mac.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:45:09 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jo Rhett References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <20051217220021.GB93998@svcolo.com> <43A4A557.3010600@mac.com> <20051222205725.GD39174@svcolo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051222205725.GD39174@svcolo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com Cc: stable@freebsd.org, current Subject: Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:46:56 -0000 Jo Rhett wrote: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 06:55:03PM -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote: >>YMMV. I burned a 6.0 release from the ISO image, and did a binary upgrade on an >>IBM ThinkPad (T.34? maybe), which worked perfectly. All of the 5.x binaries, >>including X11, KDE, printing, Mozilla, etc worked just fine. > > There are no ISO for patch releases. FreeBSD releases new .ISO images several times a year, but you've got the tools to make .ISO images of patch releases yourself, if you want to. I don't think that the FreeBSD project can shorten the release cycle below a month or so, which means that patch releases are always going to be on the (b)leading edge... > And taking systems offline for a .1 > update gets annoying fast. Dealing with all the file comparisons which are > exactly the same except for the CVS tag takes hours for no good reason. > Multiple many hours by hundreds of systems, and you could easily have a > full time person just doing FreeBSD upgrades. Using a build server as a testbed and to generate new packages or even a new kernel + world will reduce the amount of work required, but FreeBSD does require some level of administration and maintenance. >> Upgrading the ports from there was somewhat annoying > > I don't care about ports, just the base OS. Ports we've built the > infrastructure to handle properly, and very few ports are installed on > production systems. I've got firewalls with a single-digit number of ports installed, but anything else seems to acquire 100-200 or so. >> Now, if you want to talk about upgrading to intermediate patch releases, you've >> got a valid point there. :-) > > That is exactly the point. Both .01 and .1 releases are annoying. I'm with you on this, but suggesting solutions is more useful than just noting the existence of problems. -- -Chuck