Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:11:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Valeri Galtsev" <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: "Antonio Olivares" <olivares14031@gmail.com> Cc: "Polytropon" <freebsd@edvax.de>, "FreeBSD Questions" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Redirection in websites Message-ID: <14314.128.135.52.6.1507907464.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <CAJ5UdcN4Yi%2B3GONkqOays=gSLi88wDJAAMyxjfkeQWkHOJg1fw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAJ5UdcP5aPjY%2BAUpTzTM7kP_W0AYZEcdLRGAhVot5zYw7AzU0Q@mail.gmail.com> <20171013114303.3a1f17da.freebsd@edvax.de> <CAJ5UdcN4Yi%2B3GONkqOays=gSLi88wDJAAMyxjfkeQWkHOJg1fw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, October 13, 2017 8:00 am, Antonio Olivares wrote: > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote: >> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 19:43:05 -0500, Antonio Olivares wrote: >>> Something strange is going on when I try to visit a website. I type >>> www.duckduckgo.com in the address bar, and instead of getting >>> duckduckgo, I >>> see google. I do the same but visting www.yandex.com, and I get >>> google.com. >> >> Interestingly, I have seen this strange behaviour on tablets >> and on smartphones (in their respective web browsers); it also >> happens when you enter an IP, for example 192.168.100.1 (to >> connect to a Fritz!Box) - and you get Google search results. >> This must be some "helpful modern setting"... > I run a ping yandex.com and I get > > [austrumi@ ~]$ ping www.yandex.com > PING www.yandex.com (213.180.204.62) 56(84) bytes of data. > but it stays there and does not get more hits, I type the full address > and I get a censorship page from the school. See page attached if > permitted by school. > The other pages do the same. > >> >> What web browser[austrumi@ ~]$ ping www.yandex.com > PING www.yandex.com (213.180.204.62) 56(84) bytes of data. > are you using? >> > Using mozilla-firefox and/or firefox-esr because I need java plugin > for school stuff. >> >> >> >>> Some of my friends say that it is a conspiracy, 1984 by George Orwell >>> is >>> happening. >> >> It's happening all the time, and nobody cares. > This is real sad, but what can one do, if the people do not care that > their rights are being taken away by others. >> I'm sure people already answered that redirect can happen on the perimeter firewall of one's network or on the side of [rogue] network provider. So, I'll only comment on the conspiracy. I personally consider it quite likely that google collects data for "big brother". All mentioning of that are "shushed down", but they kind of are supported by, say, reasoning: you are offered to use "free services" (that cost provider - google a lot!), who is paying for that and why? I only know one source of uncounted and unaccounted for money: taxpayer's money. Another thing I observed myself as sysadmin: gmail accepts all messages, even for users that do not exist, and only then it replies you with non-delivery message for non existing users. Why accept ALL messages? To just extract information, or someone can think of another reason? All browsers for quite some time do the following by default: if you type wrong URL, they do google search on that and give you results of search. Instead of right thing: giving me error that that domain does not exist. What was the reason to introduce this sort of behavior? But alas, people are already conditioned en masse to not think of anything, to do what they need to do by doing google search first... As someone just asked another person (who was looking up one's the Departmental website on google): do you guys ask google how much money do you have left in your wallet? Oh well, I guess the saddest lesson of history is that people do not learn lessons of history (then get what they deserve). </rant> (I should have opening "rant" tag somewhere, but it was hard to figure where to put it ;-) Valeri >> >> >>> I am a mathematics teacher and our network at school is not >>> behaving normally. >> >> School networks hardly do, because their administration suffers >> from a severe lack of professionals. :-) >> >> >> >>> I asked kindly to administrators to open some >>> opensource sites, and some pages which were rated unknown by the >>> software. >>> But, I cannot do normal things like update my machines because someone >>> believes I am downloading illegal materials/files. >> >> "Believe" is the "know" of the stupid ones. :-) >> >> >> >>> Is there a way to >>> configure tor network on my amd64 bit machine to bypass these troubles? >>> I >>> am not doing anything wrong but I don't feel good not updating my >>> machines >>> and that redirection is also not good. >> >> As lomng as HTTPS traffic isn't blocked in general, that would >> probably be possible. Tunneling via "fake HTTP" would also be >> possible (except they have strict whitelisting in place). >> >> >> >>> If tor is not viable, are there any wireless broadband providers that >>> respect the user's freedom, then I can get one device and connect from >>> it >>> to access the sites that I need also update my machines. >> >> You can use your private smartphone to connect to the Internet, >> and connect your computer via WLAN to the smartphone. That will >> be slow, but you are independent from your local network. > This may be my only option, but the connections in school from cell > phone are not very strong :( >> >> Adding a USB stick with a LTE connection is also possible. >> >> >> >>> Friends tell me >>> that such companies do not exist. I hope that is not the case. >> >> There are no such "companies per se", but you can do it on >> your own (with the help of the companies who sell you the >> devices needed). >> >> >> >> -- >> Polytropon >> Magdeburg, Germany >> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 >> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > > I switched my startup page to duckduckgo.com, but no matter what I do > I still get google.com. > I will have to be careful with what I do from now on. > > Best Regards, > > > Antonio > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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