From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 19 03:38:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE301065672 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 03:38:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45CE08FC15 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 03:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22388 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2011 03:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2011 03:38:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=OP6+0xFe2rJGSWCUXysUoaAIoME2g0lf7U5zIS0qllB512L8UuKDdTTjzshQCYIC2lWFUNKtxkDy29PLAQl+bWpQdjzJGKpegRTW9q1yQeXT2b26EPBqhxBbt5hd5OJR; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qj18I-0004y2-Fr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:38:07 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:21:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:21:31 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110719032131.GA29635@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110717071059.25971662@scorpio> <4E22DFE9.7050007@pathscale.com> <201107172016.30727.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4E23989F.7010701@gmail.com> <4e242fab.s4vpgxxZEUq0LFDq%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <1311017168.44397.YahooMailRC@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13800_1311018255_4E248D0F_13800_81_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521864F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110718162245.0d426239@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110718162245.0d426239@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 03:38:08 -0000 --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 04:22:45PM -0400, Jerry wrote: >=20 > I think the explanation is rather simple, "Give the user what he wants, > not what you think he wants." You are never going to satisfy every > conceivable user, so concentrate on the core users. Microsoft has done > that extremely well. On the latest Windows 7, getting wireless up and > running is the most effortless thing I have done in awhile. Windows > does everything but fill in the password. This is where we find a dividing line between users who want different things. Yes, you turn on your Win7 laptop (or wake it up) in a coffee shop, and it connects automagically -- in fact, you probably don't even realize it has connected. Hopefully it connected to the coffee shop's network, and not one of those occasional skimming networks that masquerade as coffe shop networks and exist to harvest login data and the like. The dividing line between two schools of thought on the matter in this example should be obvious. > > Correct me if I am wrong, but even "network manager" is not available > on FreeBSD is it? That's no great loss. NetworkManager is the fifth horseman of the Apocalinux: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=3D2429 If it is still not available on FreeBSD, my only comment is "Keep up the good work." Things like NetworkManager are among the few cases where I'm *glad* when someone locks up the source with the GPL, dissuading anyone from importing that disaster area into an OS I like to use. Software that makes the computer behave in a(n unproductively) non-deterministic manner should stay in the Ubuntu and MS Windows ghettos where it belongs. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk4k+DsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXdiACg4+N7lnP/LprvlOMN/eIkgXqT J34An19UqAirrKYxexu6+CdrBuFSoJl6 =OBb4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g--