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<<On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:35:48 +0000 (UTC), "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> said:

> I think that's again my personal summary of what I think is the satte
> of affairs but again, consider it informal.

But you don't really answer the question: WHO is discussing this, and
WHERE?  In what role are you speaking?  And shouldn't the community be
involved, rather than (as has happened disturbingly frequently in
recent months) making a decision behind closed doors and then
announcing it as a fait accompli in a post about something else?  I'm
all for making things better, but I don't even know what the people
who are working on this (whoever they may be) are trying to
accomplish.

Weren't we just having a discussion on another list a month ago about
how important decisions about how FreeBSD works shouldn't be made in
private?

-GAWollman