From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 3 15:44:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26879 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26874 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:44:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA18895 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:44:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA15356; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:12:14 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199704032342.JAA15356@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Does de driver do 100MBIT Full Duplex? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970403115910.00b89450@etinc.com> from dennis at "Apr 3, 97 11:59:12 am" To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:12:14 +0930 (CST) Cc: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dennis stands accused of saying: > > What you have now is a release that was supposed to be a "great > saviour" feature-wise that is fundamentally unusable in its released > form for a large number of users..... Because, as has been observed beforehand, this "large number" of users were either too timid, too indifferent, or too _stupid_ to participate in the testing process. I sure as hell don't recall any observations on your part on 2.2 during the prerelease testing on this or a number of other points you've subsequently griped about; I would suggest that you could probably have justified spending just a few hours a couple of times installing and testing the various fully-bundled prerelease snapshots and feeding back on your woes. If you, and a few other serious, "production" users had just _thought_ahead_ a little, 2.2 would have been less of a debacle than it has currently turned out to be. Without that sort of input _before_ the final release is rolled, it's _not_ going to be possible to make you happy. Ever. And that would be Bad. > Dennis -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[