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Date:      Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:23:48 -0600
From:      Mike Meyer <mwm-dated-1018394628.2c4d76@mired.org>
To:        "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com>
Cc:        <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix
Message-ID:  <15532.57476.121017.33555@guru.mired.org>
In-Reply-To: <002601c1dc2e$aa7e6120$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
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In <002601c1dc2e$aa7e6120$0a00000a@atkielski.com>, Anthony Atkielski <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com> typed:
> Mike writes:
> > Only people who are actually interested in
> > improving their work environment so they can
> > get more work done care about such things.
> Or people who don't actually have anything else to do.

Like learning to juggle, yeah.

> > Apple didn't copy it from Smalltalk, but
> > they did get it from Xerox.
> What Xerox product did it come from, if not Smalltalk?

It could have been any number of them. The alpha workstation, for
instance.

> Why do my statements constitute a "spin," if yours represent the "truth"?

Because mine have an objective measurement backing them.

> > But there are similar numbers of applications
> > available for Unix ...
> But they are not applications used by desktop users.

Neither are most of the ones for Windows.

> > ... and virtually none of them run on Windows.
> Windows is not a server.

All those "smart people" you

> > Let's see: I listed the hardware I have,
> > you haven't listed any that is in common use
> > that I can't use on FreeBSD.
> Nikon scanners.  That's why I bought a Windows XP machine.

You can use those with FreeBSD.

> I have objective papers on photography and chess, and I suspect you don't.
> But they are just as irrelevant to this discussion as window management.

I have to agree about the relevance of most everything you say to the
discussion. I keep hoping you'll provide facts that might actually
demonstrate something. So far you haven't disappointed me by doing so.

> > You refuse to provide an application list ...
> I provided a very long list once before, if you recall.

Yes, and there wasn't anything on it that you couldn't replace with a
similar Unix application.

> > So why don't you do that, and not bother those
> > of us who are differnt from the majority, and
> > act surprised and upset when your biases turn
> > out to be false for us?
> It's entertaining to rattle the case of the angry young males.  They never
> catch on.

Neither do idiots.

	<mike
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