From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 14:43:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA7116A4D1 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E0543D1F for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:43:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david.brinegar@acm.org) Received: from hush.corte.roble (adsl-64-161-25-137.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.161.25.137]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1GMh9bF022312 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by hush.corte.roble (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D86C45D5; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:43:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:43:10 -0800 From: David Brinegar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040216224310.GA15873@mail.brinegar-computing.com> References: <20040216091316.98506.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> <20040216093332.GA85516@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040216043701.C95778@admin1.mdc.net> <20040216101801.GB58487@grover.logicsquad.net> <20040216055328.W1531@admin1.mdc.net> <20040216121927.GO58487@grover.logicsquad.net> <20040216175340.GB14573@mail.brinegar-computing.com> <1328732759.20040216122356@mygirlfriday.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1328732759.20040216122356@mygirlfriday.info> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: spam removal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:43:09 -0000 Gary defends qmail: > It delivers a bounce called QSBMF, and to my knowledge is the only > MTA that does. Those messages are like idiot lights, without the brevity. But qmail is besides the point -- most bounce messages are pretty weak. They work okay if the reader is computer literate. I like the idea of referring to a web page, where you can make room to properly explain things. Especially for DNS blacklists, which vary so much from group to group. Who does it cost more to have long bounce messages? ISPs or spammers? Anybody use tarpits with success? (eg. /usr/ports/spamd or /usr/ports/qmail-ldap says it has a tarpit feature.) -- David Brinegar http://brinegar-computing.com