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[209.85.210.43]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n9sm4054073otn.4.2019.11.10.04.23.05 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Nov 2019 04:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot1-f43.google.com with SMTP id m15so9045575otq.7 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 04:23:05 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:6285:: with SMTP id x5mr17560749otk.267.1573388584938; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 04:23:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191108194652.50c4f8e7c87ec76b9abc6e19@sohara.org> <20191108200005.21a9cdac18587cc36bd7cb01@sohara.org> <20191109154827.42b0b2e1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20191109183356.76307bdc4ab6f0a1f68c0acd@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20191109183356.76307bdc4ab6f0a1f68c0acd@sohara.org> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 13:22:52 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: 12.1 on Thinkpad - problem making graphics work To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , Polytropon Cc: "James E. 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That was cherry on the top of the issues and the last reason for me to stop using Linux and avoid that maintenance nightmare. I noticed that back then when Linux graphics stopped working because video driver api has changed. They moved along. And that silly "bleeding-edge" concept became standard worldwide. Now we got into this with FreeBSD :-( I hope noone will agree and accept this situation here! Stability, maturity, high quality and self-compatibility are the reasons I am using the FreeBSD because I value it more than "modern untested features". Well planned and designed code can provide new features without breaking the API/ABI. I am sure this is what really differentiated FreeBSD from the rest of the world. Stability and Maintenance are the core requirements in the Production Systems. I hope FreeBSD will stay that way and remain its high quality standards. Breaking kernel API/ABI with each release is definitely NOT the way to go. Best regards, Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info