From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 20 0:44:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.moondog.org (freebsd.moondog.org [208.186.117.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA0E37B403 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from elden@localhost) by freebsd.moondog.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9K7iR245122; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:44:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from moon_dog@spamcop.net) X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd.moondog.org: elden set sender to moon_dog@spamcop.net using -f Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:44:27 -0700 From: Elden Fenison To: Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Religions (was Re: helping victims of terror) Message-ID: <20011020004426.A45044@moondog.org> Mail-Followup-To: Brett Glass , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011004132949.D16297@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010924170815.0180aee8@threespace.com> <20010925001027.A750@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20011003210717.0442cb20@localhost> <20011004132949.D16297@lpt.ens.fr> <20011019154414.A43110@moondog.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20011019203955.0464d920@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011019203955.0464d920@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:51:45PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:51:45PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > Other groups -- including mainstream Christians and the Mormons -- > believe that the Old Testament is divine but that mankind was given > new marching orders, as it were, at a later date. Right... the Bible itself... and actually Jesus' own words pretty much tell us that much of the Old Testament law was "superceded" by the New Testament teachings. > In short, even holy books which are claimed to be the "word of God" > are malleable. Islam has much stronger built-in defense mechanisms > against such revisionism than most religions, however. Yes, I've recently heard the same thing elsewhere. It seems to me that it pretty much invalidates a teaching when one is allowed to pick and choose what parts of that teaching suits them and what parts do not. Especially when one of the foundations of that teaching states that the teaching in it's entirety is divinely inspired (as Christianity does). It's human instinct to rationalize away rules we don't wish to follow, but Christianity clearly teaches that God makes the rules, we don't. If we are allowed to toss out a portion of the Bible for whatever reason, we are no longer following God, but our own will, and essentially making our own rules. My apologies to the list, as I know this is not a religious discussion list. But someone did bring this up, so I felt a response was in order. As a side note, I've found this discussion about the events of 9/11 and the various ramifications to be very stimulating. In particular I've really appreciated the contributions from Terry Lambert. So many of the posts were very well put and thought out... and I'm afraid well beyond my league. So I'll shut up now and read some more. Cheers. :) -- -=Elden=- http://www.moondog.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message