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Date:      Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:42:11 -0700
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, Daniel O'Connor <doconnor@gsoft.com.au>, arch@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Moving UUCP to ports
Message-ID:  <20010918204211.A54489@xor.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <3BA7A37E.93DA21B8@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 12:41:50PM -0700
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On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 12:41:50PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote:
> Kris Kennaway wrote:
>  > In any case, you have ignored the first argument: if FreeBSD
> > > does not maintain UUCP for FreeBSD, who will maintain UUCP
> > > for FreeBSD?
> >=20
> > Jeez, Terry..it's times like this I think you say this kind of thing
> > just to be difficult.
> >=20
> > No-one has been maintaining UUCP in FreeBSD for the past several years
> > (do a quick search on open PRs), but if someone suddenly wanted to
> > they can maintain the port just as easily (easier, since anyone in the
> > world can be a port maintainer, whereas you have to be a committer to
> > maintain code in the base system).
> >=20
> > I would have thought that to be obvious.
>=20
> Except that most of the people in the world don't have an FTP
> server, and the ISP links that they do have prevent them from
> running a server at all --

What does the ability to run an FTP server have to do with anything?
Are you somehow confused and think that maintaing a port (which surely
would only be one person, not every UUCP user in the world) requires
self-hosting of the distfile?

> and it is *precisely* these people who need UUCP.

How do these people get their copy of the new version of FreeBSD?  Any
way I can think of allows the possibility of also obtaining a copy of
the UUCP package.

> To your point about it "not having been maintained": I prefer
> to think of it as an "if it isn't broke, don't fix it".

And if it's broke...

> Can we move on to talking about making sendmail and perl into
> ports instead?

One thing at a time.

Kris

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