From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 1 13:21:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937DD2D5BD3 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 13:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49DCZG4vFSz4WrH for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 13:21:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 041DLJ8C010485 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 May 2020 08:21:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 041DLHm3010484; Fri, 1 May 2020 08:21:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 08:21:17 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Scott Bennett Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? Message-ID: <20200501132117.GE1510@rancor.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <202004301346.03UDkr12006318@sdf.org> <20200430145227.GD1510@rancor.immure.com> <202005010842.0418g6is012936@sdf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202005010842.0418g6is012936@sdf.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49DCZG4vFSz4WrH X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob@rancor.immure.com has no SPF policy when checking 108.84.10.9) smtp.mailfrom=bob@rancor.immure.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.20 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[bob@immure.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.26)[ip: (0.13), ipnet: 108.64.0.0/11(0.05), asn: 7018(1.15), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[immure.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.74)[0.742,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7018, ipnet:108.64.0.0/11, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 13:21:28 -0000 On Fri, May 01, 2020 at 03:42:06AM -0500, Scott Bennett wrote: ... > > You may not get bitten often, but the probability is that you will eventually > be chewed on badly if you do things in an unsafe manner long enough. Perhaps, but I have lost count of the number of times that I have updated my personal systems (these are all just my home personal systems) over the past decades with a similar procedure w/o any issues at all. But I'm certain it's been hundreds of times. I have 10 FreeBSD systems here at the house that I run 24/7 and update each of them about every 3 months or less. Updating to a new release isn't so frequent, though this certainly isn't the first time I've done that. I stopped following the detailed steps that you refer to back in the late '90s when I discovered that the update process was quicker and worked reliably (for me) doing it as I do. Though I can get to the console on all of my systems if needed, I normally don't need to and it is significantly more convenient to simply access all of my systems from my one FreeBSD workstation via my local network. Consequently I avoid booting into single user mode with them unless there is a real need to. These systems are important to me (some more than others, as a number of them are test systems), but they aren't "bet your business" critical or something that will directly impact others should they be down for awhile while I am recovering from something that went wrong. Also, the important systems all have backups should one be down. > > > doubt that there are risks, just updating a system carries some pretty significant > > risks. > > > > Guess I sorry I said anything about this...didn't mean to get people riled up. > > > AFAIK, nobody here on the list was. Your posting your procedure allowed others > to fill in the gaps in your understanding and possibly do the same for other users > reading the list or looking in the list archives. This has been a recurring issue > on this and other lists for many years. There is so much information in the various > pieces of documentation--FreeBSD is a *big* set of software--that nobody can be > expected to read and notice every detail before they start using the system. > Best of luck. I still don't know how I'm going to get from stable/11 to > stable/12, given that stable/12 fails to build on my stable/11 system. :-( Well, I didn't have any problem with building 12.1-stable on my 11.3-stable system during the process...fortunately. I was concerned that that was the most likely step that would give me trouble. Oh well, it's been an interesting discussion but I think I'll bow out of it now and probably just keep plugging along as I have been for years... :) Bob -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. Austin, TX |