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Date:      Wed, 10 Jun 2020 23:09:43 -0600
From:      "@lbutlr" <kremels@kreme.com>
To:        FreeBSD <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Mailing List Etiquette was freebsd vs. netbsd
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On 10 Jun 2020, at 11:54, doug <doug@fledge.watson.org> wrote:
> See =
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#id=
p44832888

Seems very out of date too me. For example the first thing it says is to =
wrap messages at 75 characters  because not everyone uses GUI mailers. =
This may have been relevant in 1995, but it sure isn=E2=80=99t now. CLI =
MUA=E2=80=99s handle long lines just fine.

Standard Compliant MUAs are pretty universal, and worrying about if =
yours is or is not is largely a waste of time.

I don=E2=80=99t think correct clocks are much of an issue in 2020 either =
as most of the Internet randomly will break if your clock is off.

MIME is fine, as long as you do not enforce formatting on your text (For =
example, any messages I get with a forced white background and black =
text I delete unread; similarly, if you think it=E2=80=99s clever to set =
your font to 10pts because that looks good to you, it gets binned).

That said, try to use plain-text whenever possible. MIME messages for =
attachments and significant data or metadata that may be lost in plain =
text, fine. But if you garbage up your message with an unreadable HTML =
version just because you like it, that=E2=80=99s not.

Same goes for images you attach to advertise your company. I would say =
attachments as part of the signature are never OK, but that might just =
be me.

One thing missing is =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t post 20 line signatures=E2=80=9D=
. It=E2=80=99s best to try to keep your signatures at 4 lines or less, =
though some occasional variation is fine.

The admonition to not top post is wrong, as bottom posting is also bad. =
The correct behavior is to interleave your post, responding to each part =
of the original separately. Of course, if you only respond to ONE part, =
it follows so it looks like a top post. But 500 quoted lines with =E2=80=9C=
me too=E2=80=9D at the end is actually worse than 500 quoted lines with =
"me too=E2=80=9D at the start. To be clear, both are very bad.

The rest seems fine.

Talking about what characters to use for quoting seems very=E2=80=A6 not =
even 1995, more like 1985.

Some mailers will go to great lengths to prevent proper quoting, but as =
far as I know those that do make it impossible for the user to edit the =
message to do it correctly.





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