From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 11 05:09:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713B134ADA8 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 05:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49jBk162Wmz43xy for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 05:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette was freebsd vs. netbsd Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 23:09:43 -0600 References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <62d10000-e068-922e-23bd-f7a61e7a4e89@anatoli.ws> <6a4f6a15-ec43-03f6-1a41-a109e445f026@anatoli.ws> <00225a04-237d-9051-9aea-12c192106a20@anatoli.ws> <373EDB20-C750-42E2-A41B-EA61F6E49807@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200609120136.00005b3c@seibercom.net> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7018FA7A-32A6-4567-AA5D-1A90FF5FFF6C@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49jBk162Wmz43xy X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.26 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.68)[-0.685]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.76)[-0.761]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.11)[0.110]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 05:09:47 -0000 On 10 Jun 2020, at 11:54, doug wrote: > See = https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#id= p44832888 Seems very out of date too me. For example the first thing it says is to = wrap messages at 75 characters because not everyone uses GUI mailers. = This may have been relevant in 1995, but it sure isn=E2=80=99t now. CLI = MUA=E2=80=99s handle long lines just fine. Standard Compliant MUAs are pretty universal, and worrying about if = yours is or is not is largely a waste of time. I don=E2=80=99t think correct clocks are much of an issue in 2020 either = as most of the Internet randomly will break if your clock is off. MIME is fine, as long as you do not enforce formatting on your text (For = example, any messages I get with a forced white background and black = text I delete unread; similarly, if you think it=E2=80=99s clever to set = your font to 10pts because that looks good to you, it gets binned). That said, try to use plain-text whenever possible. MIME messages for = attachments and significant data or metadata that may be lost in plain = text, fine. But if you garbage up your message with an unreadable HTML = version just because you like it, that=E2=80=99s not. Same goes for images you attach to advertise your company. I would say = attachments as part of the signature are never OK, but that might just = be me. One thing missing is =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t post 20 line signatures=E2=80=9D= . It=E2=80=99s best to try to keep your signatures at 4 lines or less, = though some occasional variation is fine. The admonition to not top post is wrong, as bottom posting is also bad. = The correct behavior is to interleave your post, responding to each part = of the original separately. Of course, if you only respond to ONE part, = it follows so it looks like a top post. But 500 quoted lines with =E2=80=9C= me too=E2=80=9D at the end is actually worse than 500 quoted lines with = "me too=E2=80=9D at the start. To be clear, both are very bad. The rest seems fine. Talking about what characters to use for quoting seems very=E2=80=A6 not = even 1995, more like 1985. Some mailers will go to great lengths to prevent proper quoting, but as = far as I know those that do make it impossible for the user to edit the = message to do it correctly.