From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 14 18:22:51 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588A9A2D8D for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:22:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DB7B86B44 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [80.187.83.47] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmj94-0004Dm-Nw; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 20:22:46 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id x6EIMjQw002470 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 14 Jul 2019 20:22:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id x6EIMjw2002469; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 20:22:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 20:22:45 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Polytropon Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: How to explore Android device files under FreeBSD ? 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Mount it, copy your files, unmount it, done. No > need for apps and cloud nonsense. Of course, using an MTP interface > is also easy, and with GUI tools like gtkam, access is super easy. > It should work that way by default, with cable. > > Why do manufacturers think it's okay to make things needlessly > complicated? I mean... I even got this working with an iPad, so > why should an Android-based phone, where Android is usually considered > "some kind of Linux", force you to do annoying things? I think with > the tools available on FreeBSD, it should be possible to get images > copied from an Android phone without much messing with that phone. I slightly disagree. A Linux based mobile device should behave like this. It should present itself via SSH and allow access to your photos with scp or rsync+ssh, and if you need some GUI, use something of KDE or Gnome which works on top of SSH to present the dirs and files in a Norton Commander style. My Ubuntu mobile device works like this (and I do use rsync and ssh/scp all days). The Android based mobiles *could* behave the same way, but Google does not want this and want that the user uses something else, for example some cloud. The upcoming Puri.sm L5 will also be a normal Linux system. I'm awaiting mine in Q3 of this year. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub May, 9: Спаси́бо освободители! Thank you very much, Russian liberators!