Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:44:32 +0000 From: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> To: Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org> Cc: Denis Polygalov <dpolyg@gmail.com>, Sergey Manucharian <sm@ara-ler.com>, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE and 11.2-RELEASE images fail to boot on BeagleBone Black Message-ID: <20190714174432.GC26897@lonesome.com> In-Reply-To: <900bc3467c7e28f58e8e6cf17e881bdefcb3b751.camel@freebsd.org> References: <8352f841-0522-9f45-148d-d2948e97857e@gmail.com> <20190713152404.GJ1503@dendrobates> <b6876ce7-5147-5f1a-d712-3515e124cd36@gmail.com> <6b3dcec02b425a8559605b4e6c5ada19ee642728.camel@freebsd.org> <20190713194256.GK1503@dendrobates> <85e35455-793a-84fe-c8cf-39b89ade7c11@gmail.com> <900bc3467c7e28f58e8e6cf17e881bdefcb3b751.camel@freebsd.org>
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On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 10:04:30AM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > That's why I've talked several times in terms of "weekly snapshots" and > "12-STABLE" which is NOT 12-RELEASE. Although the FreeBSD FAQ is old, stinky, and rotten, this part is still valid: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.html#idp42812792 > Two or three years ago it looked like arm was at the point where it > should be a tier-1 platform, and I put a lot of effort into things like > testing releases, because releases that actually work seem like an > important thing for a tier-1 platform. I will have to admit ignorance of the past history, so I can't address what went wrong there. But my own view as a very casual user of arm is this: - we need more people doing testing (both releases and snapshots), and reporting the results. - we need to be better about gathering that information together. IMHO it's impossible (and even if possible, unfair), to expect one person to test N arm boards. Also IMHO, the information in the wiki is only as good as the people who contribute to it make it. I think I can offer the following page(s) as a proof that we (the FreeBSD community) *can* do this right, if we put our minds to it: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops Dozens of people have contributed to this page and its sub-pages over the years. If enough people are interested, I can put together a page modeled on this, and we can see where it goes from there. mcl
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