From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 30 19:08:55 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE741B3D50 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47QLWn6RCPz4Lxh for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.2.248]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mspu2-1hmSMZ49yy-00tA3f; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:08:48 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:08:46 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Installation image size for CD exceeds media size Message-Id: <20191130200846.37fea47a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20191129223920.3c24fabf.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Zxw5Z/vp/D8Naibme6SD1BcSAQq7s+D7UYhy7cgiU/pHvQP1LHo 7biV2bII9XBOHbyWoIbAZ9w4HZXzAKle/q+qCXKDovwh+KMfoXCOOy+MTPsBI46LaodbLm8 sP2bpCLDcwueX16Fl9QG/0QXqQZZSIQtu5g7CR4EacAMhwqiq6TDfQduOVDVbZi3qn/t/3O SzrYxn+NwDOv8Lcf5+NkQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:w+SDOycn+bU=:K4+mnj+FVIJoelixs62Tpj aINCqDWVplgG0fGEkELjo845Vh0a+i/8xd8Yqb6lpQvKxGAud0B9uUCCWoUqrYawjet5rBdTA ZC59atQKvNfSelkGl1bHZnq8VItJ9DvOPhrevLYXtKzEb0zlbXdyDRbhbRymcPoAsDApe8o9F W3AQXCBVfWC9F+b8dL5WjID826a8/wTbZQbzevo/bT/RWHTdzWxcIDAIARLWo7hZE4taV3fSC WS/NHhNp4JKqGPHn4HDwmvAks1mxsRGCVZO6MQDJWzUyzvoiu2Cb9XiIUmBJRdQyPHOzLJps4 Y62INfc2R5l4ZrPCD8UeGwCU30PrShiRE/KNX3gnQVl3d5045p0nEnY4kk3mRYkx0USRsX2EW K/ZbO8IB5R4hzTBxwf6imf3OmTQx/PFdFee8pc/CXuSd1Ink8OeKbsp5LI3IJXP2n2em48eOk jng0P6zRwZuG6sqrvwIZMykPX0oNi5ad2FQ5NUY+pXsyEy4czMkwpsX/6PZy3bnyO6fsYxFv/ z+6fxQNSOgsk5hK03wI+tvWoMWafp8bfwCxGuRaLxPz8BAEAhzH/n5/9pyetfDU+amj2TErs7 rG4YW6eVIp+5gJXT3Ks7Jq1lAp+02cxvfiXP3BvIzpELvAcf2saSc9WKt3zToxpbtfG6vg7Ge oiBCaMKB0pz249ANW9ZqqTEeCm02++rn7RAwtrHOoQ9XqfsjQMbVWCQJ06GFetoo0EHl8o9Ou LbZKJSjOe6+rSp675ee0LpffCxFCvwu3e3cMoERaja918b073Lb0tC1OK0UemZdL/0phmVPEa gaqGyjYsp3XKtOopJL4sV9xjw7U8Fc2XYqQ2HMjaNZPZ5AXHi9elQW+qhj37DBK65BFGWFTOF u3uxC3HxzxGt1Vi2qM1A== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47QLWn6RCPz4Lxh X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.10) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.04 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[248.2.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.09)[0.095,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.51)[0.512,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.04)[ip: (-0.92), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.18), asn: 8560(2.29), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:08:55 -0000 On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 15:46:53 +0100, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:39 PM Polytropon wrote: > > Or what is that image supposed to be used for? > > I just guess this may be used on SMALL / MINI DVD+RW disks used in > camcorders, or small "business card" disk, they have around > 1.25..1.5GB capacity, I used them quite often because they are pretty > reliable (can live several years when carried everyday in a backpack), > smaller in size, rewritable (can use up-to-date contents when it shows > up on the same disk), and twice capacity of CeDeROM disks.. Never saw those in reality here... :-) > thus the > name "disc1" not "cdrom1" I guess..? No, historically, they were named "discN" for CDs, "bootonly" for CDs that would only boot, but would not contain lots of packages, and "memstick" for USB media. This of course was when CDs were the typical examples for optical media; "dvdN" was added later when DVDs became widely available. Live system capabilities were moved into the default content, and therefore usable from USB and DVD. For comparison, from historical context: http://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/ISO-IMAGES/9.3/ The CDs - "disc1": FreeBSD-9.3-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 608919552 FreeBSD-9.3-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso 671152128 Both fit a 650MB / 700MB medium. The DVDs - "dvd1": FreeBSD-9.3-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso 1658320896 FreeBSD-9.3-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso 1801652224 And a timeline / "sizeline": FreeBSD-9.3-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 608919552 FreeBSD-10.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 615966720 FreeBSD-10.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 645224448 FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 647389184 FreeBSD-10.4-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 569620480 FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 601817088 FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 618297344 FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 618297344 FreeBSD-12.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 758073344 FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 763678720 The trend is the same for amd64 - since 12.0, the images cannot be used with CDs anymore. I simply cannot imagine that this is a problem of the OS getting "too big", but rather too many additional packages on the CD. Wouldn't it be possible to omit some packages to get the size down to ca. 650MB so you can use CDs again, which was possible for decades? I don't have to check for older releases because I _know_ that I recorded them to ordinary CDs when they were released. Well... I went with a DVD installation now, worked as expected. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...