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Date:      Wed, 7 Aug 2019 21:14:48 +0100
From:      tech-lists <tech-lists@zyxst.net>
To:        freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r350550 - head/share/mk
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In-Reply-To: <20190806165614.GA41295@FreeBSD.org>
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Hello,

On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 04:56:14PM +0000, Glen Barber wrote:

>I would like to request this commit be reverted.  While the original
>commit message to enable this knob stated the commit would be reverted
>after stable/12 branched, I have seen no public complaints about
>enabling REPRODUCIBLE_BUILD by default (and quite honestly, do not see
>the benefit of disabling it by default -- why wouldn't we want
>reproducibility?).
>
>To me, this feels like a step backwards, with no tangible benefit.
>Note, newvers.sh does properly detect a modified tree if it can find
>the VCS metadata directory (i.e., .git, .svn) -- I know this because
>I personally helped with it.
>
>In my opinion, those that want the non-reproducible metadata included in
>output from 'uname -a' should set WITHOUT_REPRODUCIBLE_BUILDS in their
>src.conf.  Turning off a sane default for the benefit of what I suspect
>is likely a short list of use cases feels like a step in the wrong
>direction.

Well, my use case is that I have some machines that follow 12-stable.

I'm not a developer. But I keep an eye on things like security bulletins
etc and when they come out it usually gives something like 'affecting
12-STABLE prior to r<number> something like that. And I can easily look
at uname -a to see if this or that 12-stable machine needs to be patched
or whatever. That is, if reproductible_build is turned off. (or
without_reproductible_build is turned on)=20

Or if I mail to stable@ asking for help I'll want to say *exactly* what
sources I've built from. And sometimes someone will say "oh that was
fixed after r<suchandsuch>" and so I'll grab sources after that revision=20
if I can and fix the problem.

But like I say I'm not a dev. I'd guess, though, that lots of non-devs=20
use the revision info if they follow -stable, so if I'm right in thinking=
=20
this, it'd be a short list of use cases but lots of affected people.

unless there's another way to get the svn rev number?

Why turn off this functionality by default?
--=20
J.

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