From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 4 15:36:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5CF1065672 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 15:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BA4F8FC0C for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 15:36:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 879 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2011 15:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2011 15:36:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=POFSxDG5rbLVK2cnWZ7S5opvTdSrN8rL8PjPqhhDQPOB8DZp3/Et9HK2AMOMDd7jO7WMLutQsqmCVK5iPUm5GJBUwnY0rlxvjoMcYpJiWy9SRVRjnwyuc3dhy7TzwykU; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PvX35-00024r-8z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:36:12 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:25:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 08:25:05 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110304152505.GA51149@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D700FA6.1030806@cox.net> <20110304152810.36060288@dijkstra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110304152810.36060288@dijkstra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: xdm-options - non-bsd user needs bsd rc.d advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 15:36:13 -0000 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 03:28:10PM +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: >=20 > Later, I tried OpenSolaris and FreeBSD and am now using FreeBSD due to > the same reasons as Chad Perrin stated: Being a power-user, wanting to > control things and (now diverting from Chad's reasons) wanting to use > technology (most importantly ZFS) without being impeded for ideological > reasons of viral GPLishness. I'd say you diverted from what I satated -- though not from my reasons overall. That is actually among the reasons I prefer FreeBSD, even if I didn't mention it. >=20 > So, same reasons here as with Chad Perrin, safe for an additionally and > lately aquired GPL-allergy. My GPL-allergy has been around since late 2003, but has been growing in strength. 2006 was when it finally got to the point where I stopped using Linux-based systems for my own purposes until some video issues "forced" me back to it last month. >=20 > @ Chad: Perhaps you might be happier being coerced to use a > Linux with a GNU/Linux flavour like Gentoo or ArchLinux. I have never > tried the latter, however, with Gentoo you are very much in control. > Gentoo effectively forces you to do your own compiling via portage, so > be prepared for a very long install. ArchLinux is to my knowledge binary > based and might be quicker to install. Both Gentoo and ArchLinux have a > reputation to put the user in charge. I'm considering ArchLinux. I've played with Gentoo in the past (2004ish), and did not much find it to my liking -- mostly because of software stability issues and a community overrun with ricers. >=20 > What drove me away from Gentoo apart from that GPL-flu was deteriorating > quality of system tools. You install what is world in FreeBSD from > portage in Gentoo, so when updating your portage, necessary system > tools sometimes break. I was driven over the edge when some network-etc > syntax changed without telling me and I lost my network connection as a > result. I had something different in mind for the weekend and was just > furious - so treat Gentoo with care. That kind of breakage is among the reasons I didn't like Gentoo. Around that time, Debian was much more stable in practice (even Debian Testing), but things have changed in the Debian world since I last used it for my own purposes five years ago; now, it's prone to breakage as well, evidently. From your description, it sounds like Gentoo wouldn't solve the kinds of problems I'm having with Debian; it would just rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. I've heard Arch is a tolerable substitute for FreeBSD when you "must" use Linux-based systems for some reason. I'm probably going to wipe the system and reinstall this weekend to try to solve my networking issue, and Arch looks like the option I'll try -- though I'll probably check into whether OpenBSD has support for the graphics chipset in this laptop, too (I really doubt it). =2E . . and then, as soon as the graphics support gets sorted out in FreeBSD, I'll probably wipe again and install FreeBSD. I had FreeBSD installed on it briefly already, and everything about it worked exactly as expected except the graphics, after all. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1xBFEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUx0gCgrkGUALTZc7TyRIqfgZxTAaHJ d6kAoPqE4OaJH8uRTLN2JHqoLmbEA2Yk =G7iF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp--