From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 15 07:10:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65F02515E1 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:10:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48KLxV4KxLz3P23 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:10:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=oUXChGOnZKxF3vgMlo9ssKudChjJNVCZ1fSBf4MWqOA=; b=P7jhwue80tSmSXkFPQN7YID/+g HLzqGOmBPdGn29eEM4IHBc5IxAZndkqpHmVTz9FfpfYMGcbdOKYJoWBFihgMfxpsJZriYHq+0iZKL KYiErMpwsUWsY71ReU4cn5Knizr500N31CUsXCMQlQRUCHGWR5bicVv7ZcfjXUanhE6U=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1j2rb3-000168-0a for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:10:37 +0700 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:10:36 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200215071036.GH1482@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jRdC2OsRnuV8iIl8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48KLxV4KxLz3P23 X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=P7jhwue8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-3.34)[ip: (-9.89), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.82), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:10:39 -0000 --jRdC2OsRnuV8iIl8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steven Malone wrote: > Victor, >=20 > While this may not be a technical response, I have had immensely better > experiences managing a FreeBSD server than a Linux one. The primary > difference in my experience has been around system upgrades. When > updating Linux I have had all sorts of applications start failing after > the a simple package update. I do not have this problem when updating > FreeBSD, it has been much more reliable for me. I have also seen similar > results from system upgrades, Linux upgrades have broken my system > countless times. I have never had a FreeBSD system completely tank after > an upgrade. Not saying it would never happen, but it has been so much > more stable I avoid Linux where-ever possible. I am sure there are > technical reasons for this, probably having to do with the way FreeBSD > manages itself as a complete OS instead of a collection of bits around a > kernel. > I think Michael W. Lucas puts it best "FreeBSD lets me sleep at night." Yes, I've seen Linux systems (Ubuntu) broken after an upgrade. Not completely unbootable (God forbid) but mostly unable to update something because of missing or incorrect dependencies, and complaining about this. But I've also seen my share of FreeBSD systems with similar dependencies problems. However, in FreeBSD, with its separation of the world and ports/packages, you can always "pkg delete -af" and install everything =66rom scratch from ports/packages, and you will still have a functional base system to deal with problems. And if "freebsd-update" screws something up, you can hopefully rollback the update with beadm/bectl. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --jRdC2OsRnuV8iIl8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJeR5lsAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0gNIIAI5BP55iOhZZ9gBrkWX6zTnI vg9V+2HPqlgz6ou/ih71Ud6Lfk4X62W+C8p59LnH05uDw289aesLYUDuMwPEhGFj sLtMlJsHlM7XYFOZiX9nKWwQtR+MtCtQMIK/qu40i7rLladDsRwsT0XhCdL4dD5y 9tDXELkrwRqQExYLoId94mkr6xjPe0fJmcep7+6Sz6UDFEYZ3ofm0CYibW+7APqA RcF84ksz30F36p0LQRVZEJemoSp1stOcKcwCWphO11DR1soHQ5kgUN1brCmJjD1u XYfVNFtNDXt5XF+vRFPvCO/LMg5a7mLhFM6yk5zNaKgq7u6Zqx1ME6PgRl3ZoIc= =8nEu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jRdC2OsRnuV8iIl8--