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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 69sm15126242qkh.15.2020.06.16.13.46.18 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.1.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49mgGJ1xbhz4ST9 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:46:09 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette was freebsd vs. netbsd Message-ID: <20200616164609.00004446@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20200613154409.GA89618@neutralgood.org> <20200616144141.6203d978e9bd43418b17dcbc@sohara.org> <20200616170906.9c0bb6c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616175118.2d536f55.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616123659.000025a6@seibercom.net> <20200616130710.00002909@seibercom.net> <20200616151200.0000663a@seibercom.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/jIFQlr7YNMb08ZQTF_FM_yR"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49mgGh1Kcfz3RY5 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=lOYb01PD; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.58 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.91)[-0.913]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.994]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.08)[0.083]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 20:46:37 -0000 --Sig_/jIFQlr7YNMb08ZQTF_FM_yR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 15:21:39 -0400, Aryeh Friedman commented: >There are a lot of people who want to make FreeBSD a OS that is usable >on the desktop by normal everyday non-technical end-users (aka a >"retail OS") and the very same people (or a sizable overlap at least) >also are the ones who b*tch the most about how plain text email and >the stuff that goes along with it is "evil" (or at least for >luddites). So in the mind of the people who know FreeBSD is not (and >never was meant to be) a retail OS, link the two in our minds. Congratulations! That is one of the best examples I have seen of a "false equivalence fallacy" on this forum in awhile. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/jIFQlr7YNMb08ZQTF_FM_yR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl7pL5EACgkQOHMGOIfe xWSjMgf+LYoI46/CsQalDDmxu7e1DeZeQfbO+Yjc9tzOLAwf0aEK6KPIA65IANIs HhdC3U8QNfq0M1OU/cFF1dyBFVG2vprqwi+jLGj+vuKMn3fIqIJqK7GNrNaPeUr3 IWaEsgK8J5qitCWfyInZaHysU+hyT+GtfHx88h0G4gK2ypEb4iunVC2gkQIsRoEL MG1U5ePgxq2EBNxbKSgELT8vwKVqPpHYL4uL8o5kxFTeRv0dC1gpQtewGXEGWfwI uwO36xnUL5QGs+3z8sh6fCQGEGlfvceTeT9u9m6zqH6HeMLkE3tV/ao2tSyvFn7K sSKR7vFPhkZtACimzwpqf6tGCmUQrw== =Twjz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/jIFQlr7YNMb08ZQTF_FM_yR--