From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 10 18:28:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A07B1065674 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DCE8FC0C for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4so1526600gyg.13 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:28:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Eg+M0reRVZl77CFm2/+gSvipy1hikDSlm6VoWk/A1D0=; b=Cza+B0pGnWMt/aXndilPfXwJfR8VIMPcTLB3A5FS8MRnfXUxjElgKnnWfX744xHrpc FP7213BjadqW6xo2INqmG5ytzJHdmYYnhU1phWNjZIWR3wV5AmHiGRktk5VYGwg2/c9R w9BiBfzviCe55ZCDhZoy7HYhbnDviVU0ZnV0w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SZp4vLCrvimgHaR4YZ1Lg5UoJi1IeHe8iKtve7sovbmjfZWV84pKJhGZc+FH+0iZU7 laH1PNmYvdTaCxsIZEB5XF8NCA5PMOW1t0/0w9GoGnea+HPYjVyKXZnS+gTdlnKJJmJM vqlCACMsPEIheTWA4jHVefUBkqrF0onOMKHBE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.101.15 with SMTP id y15mr891352agb.143.1284143300758; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.197.76 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:28:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86sk1hk8xa.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86pqwmlhdu.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86sk1hk8xa.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:28:20 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-java-request@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:28:41 -0000 On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 06:46, Randal L. Schwartz w= rote: >>>>>> "Jules" =3D=3D Jules Gilbert writes: > > Jules> Look, I'm just a user. =C2=A0I'm not a Java developer, not a langu= age > Jules> developer, not a run-time specialist. =C2=A0But folks, we got prob= lems! =C2=A0I > Jules> say this because it's becoming really hard to make Java run on a > Jules> browser. > > And that's why I challenged you as to "why". =C2=A0We needed Java to run = in > the browser back before we had cross-platform DHTML widgets. =C2=A0But wi= th > HTML5 around the corner, I've got to again ask, "why Java"? > > Java had its day. =C2=A0Time to move on. Why Java? I've worked with several SSL VPNs (SonicWall, Juniper, Aventail) for $WORK, and they all require a java-enabled browser - so unless you're suggesting that DHTML and HTML5 can replace that, I need a java-enabled browser. Aside from that, there are some really nice apps written in Java - including Data Crow, which is a pretty decent cataloging utility for my books and movies and such, and I haven't seen anything nearly as good as that written in a cross-platform language, so that I can move it between my FreeBSD machine and my family's Windows machines. Kurt