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I would like to know if there is any search engine softwares in the freeBSD ports? QOTD: Knowledge is power, United we stand, divided we fall Best regard, Lim Ting Ping http://www.pingcrisis.com ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C170F5.A7D6B890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
cd=20 /usr/ports && make search key=3D"whatyoursearchingfor"=20
 
http://bsdvault.net
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From:=20 owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG=20 [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of=20 pingcrisis.com\Ting Ping\
Sent: Friday, November 16, = 2001 4:08=20 AM
To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:=20 Questions

Hello everybody,
i have got an query here. I would like to know if = there is=20 any search engine softwares in the freeBSD ports?
 
 
QOTD: Knowledge is power, United we stand, divided = we=20 fall
Best regard,
Lim Ting Ping
http://www.pingcrisis.com
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C170F5.A7D6B890-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 19 16:45:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658B937B417 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:45:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.com ([24.254.67.120]) by femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011120004553.CGKR633.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:45:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3BF9A781.D44C8C1D@home.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:44:50 -0700 From: Joe Warner Organization: nunyabiz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rayhicks@UU.NET Cc: "'pingcrisis.com\\Ting Ping\\'" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Questions References: <000701c1711f$90acc090$d5902799@sysenglt112> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------09F052032926C80E76E17EAE" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------09F052032926C80E76E17EAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray, This is excellent and a very useful way to search ports! I would also recommend: cd /usr/ports && make search key="whatyoursearchingfor" | more Cheers Joe rayhicks wrote: > cd /usr/ports && make search > key="whatyoursearchingfor" http://bsdvault.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of > pingcrisis.com\Ting Ping\ > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 4:08 AM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Questions > Hello everybody,i have got an query here. I would like to > know if there is any search engine softwares in the freeBSD > ports? QOTD: Knowledge is power, United we stand, divided > we fall > Best regard, > Lim Ting Ping > http://www.pingcrisis.com > -- Joe Warner Daemon News Bringing BSD Together Daemon News E-Zine http://www.daemonnews.org Daily Daemon News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ Print Magazine http://magazine.daemonnews.org/ --------------09F052032926C80E76E17EAE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray,

This is excellent and a very useful way to search ports!

I would also recommend:

cd /usr/ports && make search key="whatyoursearchingfor" | more

Cheers

Joe
 
 

rayhicks wrote:

cd /usr/ports && make search key="whatyoursearchingfor" http://bsdvault.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of pingcrisis.com\Ting Ping\
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 4:08 AM
To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Questions
Hello everybody,i have got an query here. I would like to know if there is any search engine softwares in the freeBSD ports?  QOTD: Knowledge is power, United we stand, divided we fall
Best regard,
Lim Ting Ping
http://www.pingcrisis.com
-- 
Joe Warner
Daemon News
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  --------------09F052032926C80E76E17EAE-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 19 19:25:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from operamail.com (operamail.infinite.com [199.29.68.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31D137B405 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:25:18 -0800 (PST) X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Mon, 19 Nov 01 22:23:20 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: leegold Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:23:20 -0500 From: leegold To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000000 Subject: ports vs. packages Message-ID: <3BFA63E0@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Trying to get a handle on difference between ports and packages re: FreeBsd. "To Port" the verb, means to make an application, a program "runnable" on a particular OS. "A Port" the noun, is usually source code, config scripts, other stuff, that a user runs the "make" command on to compile & install a new program. A Package is a (compiled) binary, along with "other stuff" that installs a new program. FreeBsd has a ports collection which we can install on our system it serves as kind of a database to tell us what ports and pakages ie. what programs we have installed. Is this close to reality? Thanks. PS given a choice between installing a program via a port vs. a package what should one do? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 20 8:23:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ocis.ocis.net (ocis.ocis.net [209.52.173.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00BE37B405 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from phoenix (dial-161.ocis.net [209.52.175.151]) by ocis.ocis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07100; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:23:03 -0800 From: "Freddie Cash" Organization: PhoenixTek Consulting To: leegold Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:23:26 -0800 Subject: Re: ports vs. packages Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3BFA12FE.2261.2F019FC@localhost> In-reply-to: <3BFA63E0@operamail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19 Nov 2001 at 22:23, leegold wrote: > Trying to get a handle on difference between ports > and packages re: FreeBsd. > "To Port" the verb, means to make an application, > a program "runnable" on a particular OS. Yes. It usually involves recompiling and/or patching the program to run natively (or via a native compatibility layer) on the new OS. > "A Port" the noun, is usually source code, config > scripts, other stuff, that a user runs the "make" > command on to compile & install a new program. Yes. > A Package is a (compiled) binary, along with > "other stuff" that installs a new program. A package is a pre-compiled port. Installing a package is *exactly* the same as installing the port of the same name, only you don't have to wait for it to compile. > FreeBsd has a ports collection which we can install > on our system it serves as kind of a database to > tell us what ports and pakages ie. what programs > we have installed. No. The ports tree is a source code skeleton that lets you see just what programs are *available* for FreeBSD. You can search the tree, install programs, update programs, remove programs, etc. It's merely a simple way to see what's available and to compile it specifically for your system. The database of what's installed on your system is stored in /var/db/pkg (or something close to that ... I'm on a WinNT box right now). > Is this close to reality? Pretty close. > PS given a choice between > installing a program via a port vs. a package > what should one do? If you have a fast machine (anything over a Pentium Pro), I'd compile a port. That way, it's compiled and optimised for your CPU. Packages are all compiled for the generic 386 instructions. If you have a slow machine, or a slow Internet connection, or you want to install a certain application on multiple boxes, then I'd use a package. Cheers, Freddie PhoenixTek Consulting fcash@bigfoot.com Unix / Networking Services (250) 314-4029 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 20 10:16:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617ED37B405 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA88F; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:16:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3BFA9DEF.DD2D1ABA@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:16:15 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ports vs. packages References: <3BFA63E0@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org leegold wrote: > PS given a choice between > installing a program via a port vs. a package > what should one do? I always use ports. The packages are precompiled for 386 cpus, while I have an Athlon. By changing /etc/make.conf, and can have every port optimized for the Athlon. For some programs this doesn't make much of a speed difference, but for others it is very significant. In addition, you have the opportunity to "customize" the port. For example, I like the dia program but the package has it built for GNOME which I don't use. By editing the port Makefile I can build dia for GTK+ only. On the flip side, the time spent compiling ports may not be worth it to you. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 20 10:23:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from moon.drustvo-dns.si (mail.drustvo-dns.si [193.77.201.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4A237B416 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix ([212.30.93.51]) by moon.drustvo-dns.si (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GN428O00.C1I for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:05:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c171ef$d331e730$335d1ed4@unix> From: "Martin Zibert" To: Subject: User restriction Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:41:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C171F3.04098950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C171F3.04098950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings.. Last week i had a problem with Xwindows, but now i have a problem with = users.I want to restrict them to maximum level.Some guys told me that i = should use quota.And here is a problem: if i use quota and limit it to = 0, what will happen to lets say .bash_history?And if i limit it to lets = say 1k users will be able to save files, and probably bash_history will = grow and fill the limit. Any suggestions? At this point i'd ask if anyone had a problem with Sony CD-RW device?My = box didn't boot properly untill i removed this device.I looked in = support files on FreeBSD cd but i didn't find anything usefull.Maybe = someone can help me here? Thanks in advance. Martin ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C171F3.04098950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings..
 
Last week i had a problem with = Xwindows, but now i=20 have a problem with users.I want to restrict them to maximum level.Some = guys=20 told me that i should use quota.And here is a problem: if i use quota = and limit=20 it to 0, what will happen to lets say .bash_history?And if i limit it to = lets=20 say 1k users will be able to save files, and probably bash_history will = grow and=20 fill the limit. Any suggestions?
At this point i'd ask if anyone had a = problem with=20 Sony CD-RW device?My box didn't boot properly untill i removed this = device.I=20 looked in support files on FreeBSD cd but i didn't find anything = usefull.Maybe=20 someone can help me here?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Martin
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C171F3.04098950-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 20 14:55:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.pcmnet.nl (smtp.pcmnet.nl [213.53.80.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982B137B405 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1Cust122.tnt10.rtm1.nl.uu.net by smtp.pcmnet.nl via 1Cust122.tnt10.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.114.122] with SMTP for id XAA29212 (8.8.8/1.13); Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:55:08 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200111202255.XAA29212@smtp.pcmnet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: From: Frits Westra Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:55:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Net-Tamer 1.12.0 Subject: FreeBSD on an IBM P75? X-Mailreader: NTReader v0.36w(P)/Beta (Registered) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, The last couple of weeks I've been browsing through many FreeBSD websites but I still can't make up my mind whether switching to FreeBSD is a good idea or not. This is the vintage pc that's available for FreeBSD: IBM PC330 (Pentium 75) 16 MB RAM 540 MB IDE HDD 33k6 Modem There is no CD player (yet) Currently it has Win95, which I want to remove. This is what I'd like to have (in order of importance): 1. Excellent email handling capabilities with a good searchable email archiving system. 2. A swift wordprocessor with multiple language spell check that can import Word docs, but doesn't need to generate them. 3. Internet browser (Opera?) 4. Maybe some simple astronomy software. That't all I want to use. I'm used to DOS command line operations and don't need a graphical interface. A few simple menus here and there would be nice though. My question: Is FreeBSD the way to go? Thank you very much for your advice. Best wishes, Frits Westra -- fwestra@hetnet.nl -- Net-Tamer in conjunction with NTReader -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 20 23:17: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web10703.mail.yahoo.com (web10703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 79E6E37B416 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:17:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011121071703.29342.qmail@web10703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.179.125.35] by web10703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:17:03 PST Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:17:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Edward Wagner Jr." To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1591636210-1006327023=:29324" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0-1591636210-1006327023=:29324 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. --0-1591636210-1006327023=:29324 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


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Hello FreeBSD-friends,
 
after installing FreeBSD 4.4 with = additional=20 software from the ISO-image i receive continously
messages like:
 
a. getty=20 repeating too quickly on port /dev/console, sleeping 30 = seconds

b.=20 getty[368]: login_tty /dev/console: Operation not supported by=20 device
 
This appears on=20 all consoles and no productive work is possible.
 
What is wrong?=20 How can I repair it?
I=B4m sure that=B4s=20 only a fault of me and not of FreeBSD.
 
Thanks a=20 lot!
belfegore

 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C172A3.69707D20-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 21 9:16:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spider10.spiderwebhost.net (spider10.spiderwebhost.net [64.95.69.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED12B37B416 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from p400a (dhcp065-029-083-246.indy.rr.com [65.29.83.246]) by spider10.spiderwebhost.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29816 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:16:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200111211716.MAA29816@spider10.spiderwebhost.net> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:16:13 -0500 From: "Steven M. Seltzer" Subject: New Dental Practice Philosophy To: Resources for Newbies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I would like to wish you a very Happy Thanksgiving! We recently created a one page practice philosophy statement that emphasizes = teamwork, caring, helping others, and developing your full potential by = assuming a more active role in the practice. =20 This philosophy is designed specifically for updating skills in the practice to = utilize technology tools that improve productivity and efficiency. If you would like to receive this philosophy statement with my compliments, = please reply to this e-mail with your name, address, and e-mail address where = you would like the philosophy sent. If you prefer not to receive future technology and practice management updates = like this one, please reply to this message and type, "remove" in the subject = line. Thank you. Best regards, Steve Seltzer www.hitecdentist.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 21 12:11:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2937F37B417 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA94993; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:07:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:07:07 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Frits Westra Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on an IBM P75? In-Reply-To: <200111202255.XAA29212@smtp.pcmnet.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Frits Westra wrote: > Hello all, > > The last couple of weeks I've been browsing through many FreeBSD > websites but I still can't make up my mind whether switching to > FreeBSD is a good idea or not. > > This is the vintage pc that's available for FreeBSD: > > IBM PC330 (Pentium 75) > 16 MB RAM > 540 MB IDE HDD This is enough for installing the ports collection and kernel source, but not enough for using full source to upgrade the system. However, you can do binary upgrades; just don't waste 350 MB installing full source. For everything else (including X) this is enough space. > 33k6 Modem > There is no CD player (yet) > Currently it has Win95, which I want to remove. > > This is what I'd like to have (in order of importance): > > 1. Excellent email handling capabilities with a good searchable > email archiving system. Several text-based programs (pine, elm, mutt) handle email and there are various searching capabilities--and there's glimpse, a third-party program for searching text files. > 2. A swift wordprocessor with multiple language spell check that > can import Word docs, but doesn't need to generate them. The antiword program imports Word docs, converting them to text. So does StarOffice, but that requires a GUI. > > 3. Internet browser (Opera?) There are several text-based browsers; for graphical ones, you need to be running X. > > 4. Maybe some simple astronomy software. > > That't all I want to use. > > I'm used to DOS command line operations and don't need a > graphical interface. A few simple menus here and there would be > nice though. > > My question: Is FreeBSD the way to go? I think what's available to you for what you want to do is quite similar in FreeBSD and (for example) Linux. FreeBSD installs less by default than many versions of Linux, giving you more control over a small hard drive to make it suit your purposes. > > Thank you very much for your advice. > You'd get a wider range of advice on freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, but the above is one view. Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: mall.daemonnews.org and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 21 12:30:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dot.uber.com.br (ctbcnetsuper-146.ctbcnetsuper.com.br [200.225.201.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6D6537B41A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13340 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 18:25:48 -0000 Received: from ctbcnetsuper-183.ctbcnetsuper.com.br (HELO iceb.ufop.br) (200.225.204.183) by 0 with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 18:25:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3BFC104F.833D01BF@iceb.ufop.br> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:36:31 -0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Romildo Malaquias X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: romildo@uber.com.br Subject: Questions regarding FreeBSD installation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. Being a seasoned Linux user, the time to experiment with FreeBSD has just arrived to me. After reading chapter 2 (Installing FreeBSD) of the handbook, some points are not yet clear to me. I intend to install FreeBSD on my PC, which already has some operating systems installed: Red Hat Linux 7.2, Mandrake Linux 8.1 and Windows ME. It has two hard disks. It is using the GRUB boot manager. I would apreciate clarifications on the following points: 1. Does FreeBSD must really be installed into a primary disk partition? Can not it be installed into a logical partition? 2. Can the FreeBSD and Linux swap partition be shared? 3. Can the installation be done from an existing ext3 or ext2 (second extended file system, from Linux), existing filesystem? 4. After installation, all installed operating systems will be ready bootable from the FreeBSD boot manager after installation? 5. Can the current boot manager be kept and used to boot also FreeBSD? How? Note: Section 2.5.2 (Disk Organization) of the handbook are not very well written, since the use of the terms "partition" and "slice" is pretty confusing in the text. This is due to the overloaded use of "partition" . Regards, Romildo. -- Prof. Josй Romildo Malaquias Departamento de Computaзгo http://iceb.ufop.br/~romildo Universidade Federal de Ouro Preto romildo@iceb.ufop.br Brasil romildo@uber.com.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 21 14:34:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C2A37B418 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-112vp95.biz.mindspring.com ([66.47.229.37] helo=FRANKENFURTER) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 166fwr-0005FZ-00; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:34:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:40:27 -0800 From: Brian Sobolak X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) Personal Reply-To: Brian Sobolak X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <9027078456.20011121144027@mindspring.com> To: "Martin Zibert" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User restriction In-Reply-To: <000001c171ef$d331e730$335d1ed4@unix> References: <000001c171ef$d331e730$335d1ed4@unix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Martin, Tuesday, November 20, 2001, 9:41:50 AM, you wrote: [you'll probably want to try this on questions@freebsd.org - that list is better for these types of questions] MZ> Last week i had a problem with Xwindows, but now i have a problem MZ> with users.I want to restrict them to maximum level.Some guys told MZ> me that i should use quota.And here is a problem: if i use quota MZ> and limit it to 0, what will happen to lets say .bash_history?And MZ> if i limit it to lets say 1k users will be able to save files, and MZ> probably bash_history will grow and fill the limit. Any MZ> suggestions? What do you mean you want to restrict them to the maximum level? Do you want them to be able to login? Describing your ultimate goal (e.g. security, resource usage, etc.) would help. MZ> At this point i'd ask if anyone had a problem with Sony CD-RW MZ> device?My box didn't boot properly untill i removed this device.I MZ> looked in support files on FreeBSD cd but i didn't find anything MZ> usefull.Maybe someone can help me here? You should try searching the questions@freebsd.org mailing list archives with the exact model number. I usually use the search engine at www.geocrawler.com, though you could try google too. If you included the error msg you're getting, we can try to help. HTH brian MZ> Thanks in advance. MZ> Martin -- Best regards, Brian mailto:sobolak@mindspring.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 21 14:37:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from operamail.com (operamail.infinite.com [199.29.68.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0A737B418 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:37:36 -0800 (PST) X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Wed, 21 Nov 01 17:37:33 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: leegold Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:37:33 -0500 From: leegold To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000000 Subject: hp 8200 cd-rw Message-ID: <3C01E9A0@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What will FreeBSD 4.4 release do when I install it and it "sees" a USB HP 8200 series outboard cd burner? Tried looking around but did not see it on any hardware lists. Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 21 14:39:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C3337B419 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-112vp95.biz.mindspring.com ([66.47.229.37] helo=FRANKENFURTER) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 166g1x-0004pw-00; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:39:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:45:44 -0800 From: Brian Sobolak X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) Personal Reply-To: Brian Sobolak X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <9727395793.20011121144544@mindspring.com> To: Sean LeBlanc Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reverse lookup troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <20011118185446.A846@hostwiththemost> References: <20011118185446.A846@hostwiththemost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Sean, Sunday, November 18, 2001, 5:54:46 PM, you wrote: SL> I recently experienced an EXTREME slowdown in logging into my FreeBSD SL> box via SSH. After looking about a bit to try to figure this out, I saw SL> that this is a common problem, and it's usually associated with a problem SL> in doing reverse lookups. It's odd, since it wasn't happening a little SL> while ago on my LAN, but I also noticed it on a Linux box, too. So I SL> added entries for other boxes on the LAN into the /etc/hosts files on SL> the *nix machines and the slowdown went away. Same thing happened to me, and I fixed it the same way. :^) SL> However, I don't know how to really fix the problem...are there good SL> troubleshooting tools for this? I did look around a bit on this, but all SL> I found was some code someone had pasted into an email that was archived. SL> It didn't compile, so that was a dead end for me. The answer to having slow reverse DNS lookups is of course having way for the machines to find each other through DNS. Adding the files to /etc/hosts seems like a perfectly good solution to me. As long as your lan is pretty stable and doesn't change much, this should work fine. Of course you could also run BIND on one of your unix machines. Running DNS internally should fix the problem too, and only require configuration changes in one place. HTH brian -- Got work? http://www.planetshwoop.com/resume/ This is how I think: http://www.planetshwoop.com/blog/ Brian Sobolak sobolak@mindspring.com SL> Anyone with any suggestions? I'm at a loss here. -- Best regards, Brian mailto:sobolak@mindspring.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 21 21: 8:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from operamail.com (operamail.infinite.com [199.29.68.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE73337B417 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:08:38 -0800 (PST) X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Thu, 22 Nov 01 00:07:41 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: leegold Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:07:41 -0500 From: leegold To: Scott Corey Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000000 Subject: RE: hp 8200 cd-rw Message-ID: <3BFCC3CD@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org But seriously folks... >===== Original Message From Scott Corey ===== > What will FreeBSD 4.4 release do when I install > it and it "sees" a USB HP 8200 series outboard cd burner? > >Eat it of course!;) > > Tried looking around but did not see it on any hardware lists. > > Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 22 2:30:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tdsrvmail1.tecnidata.pt (tdsrvmail1.tecnidata.pt [194.65.139.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 601EA37B416 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM tdsrv6lx.tecnidata.pt BY tdsrvmail1.tecnidata.pt ; Wed Nov 21 19:05:16 2001 0000 Received: by TDSRV6LX with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:04:16 -0000 Message-ID: <65D9BA197BC0D311808500508B5C12C101313477@TDSRV5LX> From: Hugo Casqueiro To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Tips with mouse Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:03:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C172BF.501B2220" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C172BF.501B2220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello all, I came from Microsoft systems and I never saw an unix system before, until yesterday ! I read something about FreeBSD like "it is better than Linux". What your opinion about to start with this system ? I'm a mouse dependent.Could you give me some tips about using a mouse device without x, just console ? Thank you ------_=_NextPart_001_01C172BF.501B2220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello all,
 
I came from Microsoft systems and I never saw an unix system before, until yesterday !
 
I read something about FreeBSD like "it is better than Linux".
What your opinion about to start with this system ?
 
I'm a mouse dependent.Could you give me some tips about using a mouse device without x, just console ?
 
Thank you
------_=_NextPart_001_01C172BF.501B2220-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 22 2:34: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from kulog.upm.edu.ph (kulog.upm.edu.ph [165.220.24.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A3037B417 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from kulog.upm.edu.ph [165.220.24.62] (ammag) by kulog.upm.edu.ph with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 166rPM-0005ox-00; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:48:40 +0800 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:48:39 +0800 (PHT) From: "Anthony M. Magsino" X-Sender: ammag@kulog.upm.edu.ph To: Frits Westra Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on an IBM P75? In-Reply-To: <200111202255.XAA29212@smtp.pcmnet.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If that's all you're looking for in your type of hardwware,unix is the way to go. Either FreeBSD or Linux is best. On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Frits Westra wrote: > Hello all, > > The last couple of weeks I've been browsing through many FreeBSD > websites but I still can't make up my mind whether switching to > FreeBSD is a good idea or not. > > This is the vintage pc that's available for FreeBSD: > > IBM PC330 (Pentium 75) > 16 MB RAM > 540 MB IDE HDD > 33k6 Modem > There is no CD player (yet) > Currently it has Win95, which I want to remove. > > This is what I'd like to have (in order of importance): > > 1. Excellent email handling capabilities with a good searchable > email archiving system. > > 2. A swift wordprocessor with multiple language spell check that > can import Word docs, but doesn't need to generate them. > > 3. Internet browser (Opera?) > > 4. Maybe some simple astronomy software. > > That't all I want to use. > > I'm used to DOS command line operations and don't need a > graphical interface. A few simple menus here and there would be > nice though. > > My question: Is FreeBSD the way to go? > > Thank you very much for your advice. > > Best wishes, > Frits Westra -- fwestra@hetnet.nl > > -- Net-Tamer in conjunction with NTReader -- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 22 5: 2:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web21110.mail.yahoo.com (web21110.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 761C637B417 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:02:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011122130239.74312.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.0.4] by web21110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:02:39 PST Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:02:39 -0800 (PST) From: Hiten Pandya Subject: RE: Questions To: rayhicks@UU.NET Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <000701c1711f$90acc090$d5902799@sysenglt112> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi.. please use text cause some of us folk use text browsers only... why dont you try ht://dig or 'htdig'... its in the ports collection.. thanks... --- rayhicks wrote: > cd /usr/ports && make search > key="whatyoursearchingfor" > > http://bsdvault.net > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf > Of pingcrisis.com\Ting > Ping\ > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 4:08 AM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Questions > > > Hello everybody, > i have got an query here. I would like to know if > there is any search > engine softwares in the freeBSD ports? > > > QOTD: Knowledge is power, United we stand, divided > we fall > Best regard, > Lim Ting Ping > http://www.pingcrisis.com > ===== regards, Hiten Pandya ---------------------------------------------------- Guys!... stay away from Einstein Junior! ---------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 22 5:18:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from support.euronet.nl (support.euronet.nl [194.134.32.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5949E37B418 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by support.euronet.nl (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fAMDINo52892; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:18:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:18:23 +0100 (CET) From: Marc Smits To: Frits Westra Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on an IBM P75? In-Reply-To: <200111202255.XAA29212@smtp.pcmnet.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Frits Westra wrote: > Hello all, > > The last couple of weeks I've been browsing through many FreeBSD > websites but I still can't make up my mind whether switching to > FreeBSD is a good idea or not. > > This is the vintage pc that's available for FreeBSD: > > IBM PC330 (Pentium 75) > 16 MB RAM > 540 MB IDE HDD > 33k6 Modem > There is no CD player (yet) > Currently it has Win95, which I want to remove. > Hello Fritz, I started using FreeBSD a couple of months ago on a pentium 133, which would work fine. If I would know how to operate properly. According to the Complete FreeBSD Handbook' it should even work on a 486 with your specifications. Please note that all graphical applications (as Netscape / opera) do use a lot of CPU. And do not try the FTP-install through your modem :-) Grtz, Marc Wanadoo, http://www.wanadoo.nl/ Marc Smits, Wanadoo helpdesk Muiderstraat 1; Postbus 11095, 1001 GB Amsterdam T +31 20 5355 666, F +31 20 5355 195, E marcs@support.wanadoo.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 22 5:29:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.a2000.nl (duck.a2000.nl [62.108.1.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64BC37B405 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:29:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from node10b74.a2000.nl ([24.132.11.116] helo=chello.nl) by smtp1.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 166tvd-0003AK-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:30:09 +0100 Message-ID: <3BFCFDD4.9DEFCEE5@chello.nl> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:29:56 +0100 From: Deff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on an IBM P75? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If u are not sure wether to change or not... I advice to start with soemthing like Pico-BSD. Virtualy similar to Free BSD but reall small and lite. Boots from a floppy so u do not have to kill yer old install. Deff Marc Smits wrote: > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Frits Westra wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > The last couple of weeks I've been browsing through many FreeBSD > > websites but I still can't make up my mind whether switching to > > FreeBSD is a good idea or not. > > > > This is the vintage pc that's available for FreeBSD: > > > > IBM PC330 (Pentium 75) > > 16 MB RAM > > 540 MB IDE HDD > > 33k6 Modem > > There is no CD player (yet) > > Currently it has Win95, which I want to remove. > > > > Hello Fritz, > > I started using FreeBSD a couple of months ago on a pentium 133, which > would work fine. If I would know how to operate properly. According to > the Complete FreeBSD Handbook' it should even work on a 486 with your > specifications. > > Please note that all graphical applications (as Netscape / opera) do use a > lot of CPU. And do not try the FTP-install through your modem :-) > > Grtz, Marc > > Wanadoo, http://www.wanadoo.nl/ > Marc Smits, Wanadoo helpdesk > Muiderstraat 1; Postbus 11095, 1001 GB Amsterdam > T +31 20 5355 666, F +31 20 5355 195, E marcs@support.wanadoo.nl > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 22 6: 5:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web21101.mail.yahoo.com (web21101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFD8E37B416 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 06:05:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011122140529.39067.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.0.4] by web21101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 06:05:29 PST Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 06:05:29 -0800 (PST) From: Hiten Pandya Subject: Re: Questions regarding FreeBSD installation To: "Josй" Romildo Malaquias Cc: newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3BFC104F.833D01BF@iceb.ufop.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi jose, i will see what i can help you with... no offense.. > I intend to install FreeBSD on my PC, which already > has some > operating systems installed: Red Hat Linux 7.2, > Mandrake Linux 8.1 > and Windows ME. It has two hard disks. It is using > the GRUB > boot manager. o...k... > > 1. Does FreeBSD must really be installed into a > primary disk partition? > Can not it be installed into a logical partition? It must be installed on a primary partition... yes.. > 2. Can the FreeBSD and Linux swap partition be > shared? I think it is possible... > 3. Can the installation be done from an existing > ext3 or ext2 > (second extended file system, from Linux), > existing filesystem? nope... > 4. After installation, all installed operating > systems will be > ready bootable from the FreeBSD boot manager > after installation? yep.. all Operating systems you have will be bootable, the following is a sample layout of the boot manager. F1. DOS F2. LINUX F2. LINUX F3. FREEBSD you can although rename the above to your needs... > 5. Can the current boot manager be kept and used to > boot also > FreeBSD? How? It can be done, please read the documentation which is called "using FreeBSD with Multiple Operating Systems", which can be found at: http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html#articles > Note: Section 2.5.2 (Disk Organization) of the > handbook are not very > well written, since the use of the terms "partition" > and "slice" is > pretty confusing in the text. This is due to the > overloaded use > of "partition" . What it means in the simplest of terms is, a partition is the actual space you disect out of your hard-drive for FreeBSD or any other Operating System. A slice, is a way you can organise the inner layout of the partition you have dedicated to FreeBSD, for example: /dev/ad0s1 - FreeBSD. ===================================== /dev/ad0s1e - /usr /dev/ad0s1f - /var and so on... you can have up to 16 of these slices inside a FreeBSD partition. Still unclear... mail me... > Regards, > Romildo. > -- > Prof. Josй Romildo Malaquias > Departamento de Computaзгo > http://iceb.ufop.br/~romildo Universidade > Federal de Ouro Preto > romildo@iceb.ufop.br > Brasil > romildo@uber.com.br > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message ===== regards, Hiten Pandya ---------------------------------------------------- Guys!... stay away from Einstein Junior! ---------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 22 10:31:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailsite.vtc.net (mailsite.vtc.net [208.138.148.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8284137B42F for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidney-bmqxoo67 (unverified [208.164.126.108]) by mailsite.vtc.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:31:35 -0700 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:29:34 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org From: Sidney Brooks Subject: Several questions Reply-To: Sidney@FreeBSD.ORG, Brooks@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Sidney Brooks X-Mailer: Opera 5.12 build 932 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have played with linux fo several years, but just tried Free BSD. 1.When I installed BSD, I selected KDE, Gnome, and Enlightenment with KDE as my default. It worked well until as root, I tried "startx enlightenment", which got me into enlightenment. Now whenever, I type startx as root, I get enlightenment instead of kde. As a user, I still get KDE. Is there any way to reverse what I have done? 2. I have a new computer with an S3G Graphics Inc, Pro Savage video card. When I do XF86Setup, any S3 driver gives me a sceen with elements so big that I can't even accept the result. This leaves me with Generic VGA, which works but does not fit the window on my computer screen very well. I have used xvidtune, but cannot get a combination that really fits. Any suggestions. 3. In my first attempt to install BSD, I tried to use the BSD boot loader. It recognized my BSD and Windows partitions, but not my linux partition. I am now using lilo for all three. I assume that what happened is because my hard disk is too big. Am I right? 4. Since I have a big disk, I tried to load everything, but eventually the installation process froze. I then installed average user with X. Have others had this problem? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 22 12: 5:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-1.visp.telinco.net (smtp-1.visp.telinco.net [212.1.130.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D2637B417 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.1.149.233] (helo=me01) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16704T-0003uy-00; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:03:42 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01c17391$36cf6c20$e99501d4@wintellect.com> From: "Philip Pereira" To: "Hugo Casqueiro" , References: <65D9BA197BC0D311808500508B5C12C101313477@TDSRV5LX> Subject: Re: Tips with mouse Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:06:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C17391.3545BEE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C17391.3545BEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Hugo, Are you Portuguese by any chance? I am - my name is Philip Pereira = by-the-way. I've been using FreeBSD for about 3 months and have already picked it = up. I've played with Linux also, but found FreeBSD to be more controlled = in its development. I've done things such as re-compile my kernel = several times (which proved FAR more easier than Linux) and have = upgraded to X 4.1. I've also found it to be a lot more configurable - = and user friendly at times - than Linux. System crashes have NEVER = happened on my FreeBSD box! It may help to know that most webservers = (including Microsoft ironically) use a FreeBSD box and Apache to run = their servers - I think that speaks volumes... I still think it comes down to a personal preference though. My idea is = to try box (preferably on a test box or old harddrive in your current = computer) and take your pick - however, saying that, I'm sure most = "newbies" in this forum (myself included) would say "FREEBSD!!!" In answer to your second question - yes, you can have a mouse when in = command line mode in FreeBSD. The option is given during installation = (I've got version 4.4 and have a PS2 mouse connected.) Once configured correctly - you may need to turn on the "emulate 3 = buttons" option - you can highlight any text on screen with the mouse = pointer & left button, and then press the middle button to paste it at = the command line. This proves VERY helpful when you have packages names = like: "package_name.1.4.2_4.tar.gz" I hope this has helped! Philip. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hugo Casqueiro=20 To: 'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Tips with mouse Hello all, I came from Microsoft systems and I never saw an unix system before, = until yesterday ! I read something about FreeBSD like "it is better than Linux". What your opinion about to start with this system ? I'm a mouse dependent.Could you give me some tips about using a mouse = device without x, just console ? Thank you ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C17391.3545BEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Hugo,
 
Are you Portuguese by any chance? I am = - my name is=20 Philip Pereira by-the-way.
 
I've been using FreeBSD for about 3 = months and have=20 already picked it up. I've played with Linux also, but found FreeBSD to = be more=20 controlled in its development. I've done things such as re-compile my = kernel=20 several times (which proved FAR more easier than Linux) and have = upgraded to X=20 4.1. I've also found it to be a lot more configurable - and user = friendly at=20 times - than Linux. System crashes have NEVER happened on my = FreeBSD box!=20 It may help to know that most webservers (including Microsoft = ironically) use a=20 FreeBSD box and Apache to run their servers - I think that speaks=20 volumes...
 
I still think it comes down to a = personal=20 preference though. My idea is to try box (preferably on a test box or = old=20 harddrive in your current computer) and take your pick - however, saying = that,=20 I'm sure most "newbies" in this forum (myself included) would say=20 "FREEBSD!!!"
 
In answer to your second question - = yes, you can=20 have a mouse when in command line mode in FreeBSD. The option is given = during=20 installation (I've got version 4.4 and have a PS2 mouse = connected.)
 
Once configured correctly - you may = need=20 to turn on the "emulate 3 buttons" option - you can highlight = any text=20 on screen with the mouse pointer & left button, and then press the = middle=20 button to paste it at the command line. This proves VERY helpful when = you have=20 packages names like: "package_name.1.4.2_4.tar.gz"
 
I hope this has helped!
 
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hugo Casqueiro
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, = 2001 7:03=20 PM
Subject: Tips with mouse

Hello=20 all,
 
I = came from=20 Microsoft systems and I never saw an unix system before, until = yesterday=20 !
 
I = read something=20 about FreeBSD like "it is better than Linux".
What = your opinion=20 about to start with this system ?
 
I'm = a mouse=20 dependent.Could you give me some tips about using a = mouse=20 device without x, just console ?
 
Thank=20 you
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C17391.3545BEE0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 22 22:38: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web20205.mail.yahoo.com (web20205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B23E37B41D for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:37:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011123063743.69061.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.16.200.178] by web20205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:37:43 PST Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:37:43 -0800 (PST) From: GoodNews To: feedback@rocklyte.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Дорогой друг! Извини, что отбираю твое время на чтение данного послания,так как мы все устали от бесконечных рекламных рассылок и всяческого мусора,но я надеюсь, что несколько минут затраченного времени смогут окупиться, если ты решишься изменить свой взгляд на окружающую тебя действительность. Предлагается в корне изменить свою жизнь! И для этого предназначена программа, реально действующая, с реальными возможностями заработать деньги, затратив на это не очень большие усилия. Этот метод заработка денег на самом деле ДЕЙСТВУЕТ НА 100%, КОГДА УГОДНО, ГДЕ УГОДНО. Вы сможете заработать более 1.000.000 рублей в последующие 90 дней. Это не цепное письмо, а отличная легальная возможность заработать деньги. Не пожалейте времени, ознакомьтесь с предлагаемой программой, и успех и благополучие посетят Ваш дом! Данное письмо придет к Вам на этот адрес один единственный раз, больше я Вас не побеспокою. Но если у Вас имеются и другие адреса, не обижайтесь, если это послание придет и на них,программа не может отследить хозяина ящика, только факт существования адреса. Если Вас это заинтересовало и Вы желаете больше узнать о работе предлагаемой программы, Вы можете отправить данное сообщение обратно с пометкой "More", что бы я выслала Вам подробное описание работы системы по Вашему желанию, а не занимать Ваше время и не тратить Ваши деньги на получение вложенного документа. Возвращенные без данной пометки письма будут, как Вы правильно догадываетесь, удалятся без прочтения. Но если Вы хотите поругаться и выпустить пар, то пожалуйста :-) Надеюсь, Вам станет легче :-) Еще раз извините, что отнимаю Ваше время. Успехов вам и всяческих благ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 23 0:42:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA61037B405; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-112vp95.biz.mindspring.com ([66.47.229.37] helo=FRANKENFURTER) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 167Buw-00067k-00; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:42:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:48:44 -0800 From: Brian Sobolak X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) Personal Reply-To: Brian Sobolak X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8151514113.20011123004844@mindspring.com> To: Sidney Brooks Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org, Sidney@FreeBSD.ORG, Brooks@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Several questions In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi Thursday, November 22, 2001, 10:29:34 AM, you wrote: SB> I have played with linux fo several years, but just tried Free BSD. Welcome - enjoy the ride. SB> 1.When I installed BSD, I selected KDE, Gnome, and Enlightenment SB> with KDE as my default. It worked well until as root, I tried SB> "startx enlightenment", which got me into enlightenment. Now SB> whenever, I type startx as root, I get enlightenment instead of SB> kde. As a user, I still get KDE. Is there any way to reverse what SB> I have done? I think you want to check your .xinitrc file in each user's home directory. So check /root and /home/yourusername and see what's different. You can change that file to change the default. SB> 2. I have a new computer with an S3G Graphics Inc, Pro Savage SB> video card. When I do XF86Setup, any S3 driver gives me a sceen SB> with elements so big that I can't even accept the result. This SB> leaves me with Generic VGA, which works but does not fit the SB> window on my computer screen very well. I have used xvidtune, but SB> cannot get a combination that really fits. Any suggestions. Ahh, Xwindows. Have you tried checking the vendor sites for the specs on your card and the specs on your monitor to make sure you know what it can handle? It might give you some suggestions about how to tweak the defaults that are suggested. SB> 4. Since I have a big disk, I tried to load everything, but SB> eventually the installation process froze. I then installed SB> average user with X. Have others had this problem? You might want to check the mailing list archive to see if others have had this problem. If you don't find any information there, you might want to try questions@freebsd.org - that's the general mailing list for technical support. brian ps I think you want to look at your mailer. Do you really have the email addresses sidney@freebsd.org and brooks@freebsd.org? This showed up in the reply-to header. -- Got work? http://www.planetshwoop.com/resume/ This is how I think: http://www.planetshwoop.com/blog/ Brian Sobolak sobolak@mindspring.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 23 12:24:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-1.visp.telinco.net (smtp-1.visp.telinco.net [212.1.130.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F64E37B416 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.1.137.18] (helo=me01) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 167Mqv-0002dk-00; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:23:14 +0000 Message-ID: <002401c1745d$211fd780$128901d4@wintellect.com> From: "Philip Pereira" To: "Hugo Casqueiro" Cc: References: <65D9BA197BC0D311808500508B5C12C10131348C@TDSRV5LX> Subject: Re: Tips with mouse Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:25:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1745C.F7A54020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1745C.F7A54020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Claro que podes! Philip ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hugo Casqueiro=20 To: 'Philip Pereira'=20 Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 8:50 AM Subject: RE: Tips with mouse Obrigado (Thank you). Can I speek with you in portuguese if I have a future question ? Thanks anyway. hugo -----Original Message----- From: Philip Pereira [mailto:info@wintellect.co.uk] Sent: quinta-feira, 22 de Novembro de 2001 20:07 To: Hugo Casqueiro; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips with mouse Hi Hugo, Are you Portuguese by any chance? I am - my name is Philip Pereira = by-the-way. I've been using FreeBSD for about 3 months and have already picked = it up. I've played with Linux also, but found FreeBSD to be more = controlled in its development. I've done things such as re-compile my = kernel several times (which proved FAR more easier than Linux) and have = upgraded to X 4.1. I've also found it to be a lot more configurable - = and user friendly at times - than Linux. System crashes have NEVER = happened on my FreeBSD box! It may help to know that most webservers = (including Microsoft ironically) use a FreeBSD box and Apache to run = their servers - I think that speaks volumes... I still think it comes down to a personal preference though. My idea = is to try box (preferably on a test box or old harddrive in your current = computer) and take your pick - however, saying that, I'm sure most = "newbies" in this forum (myself included) would say "FREEBSD!!!" In answer to your second question - yes, you can have a mouse when = in command line mode in FreeBSD. The option is given during installation = (I've got version 4.4 and have a PS2 mouse connected.) Once configured correctly - you may need to turn on the "emulate 3 = buttons" option - you can highlight any text on screen with the mouse = pointer & left button, and then press the middle button to paste it at = the command line. This proves VERY helpful when you have packages names = like: "package_name.1.4.2_4.tar.gz" I hope this has helped! Philip. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hugo Casqueiro=20 To: 'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Tips with mouse Hello all, I came from Microsoft systems and I never saw an unix system = before, until yesterday ! I read something about FreeBSD like "it is better than Linux". What your opinion about to start with this system ? I'm a mouse dependent.Could you give me some tips about using a = mouse device without x, just console ? Thank you ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1745C.F7A54020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Claro que podes!
 
Philip
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hugo Casqueiro
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 = 8:50=20 AM
Subject: RE: Tips with = mouse

Obrigado (Thank you).
 
Can=20 I speek with you in portuguese if I have a future=20 question ?
 
Thanks anyway.
 
hugo
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Pereira=20 [mailto:info@wintellect.co.uk]
Sent: quinta-feira, 22 de = Novembro=20 de 2001 20:07
To: Hugo Casqueiro; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org
Subject:=20 Re: Tips with mouse

Hi Hugo,
 
Are you Portuguese by any chance? I = am - my=20 name is Philip Pereira by-the-way.
 
I've been using FreeBSD for about 3 = months and=20 have already picked it up. I've played with Linux also, but found = FreeBSD to=20 be more controlled in its development. I've done things such as = re-compile=20 my kernel several times (which proved FAR more easier than Linux) = and have=20 upgraded to X 4.1. I've also found it to be a lot more configurable = - and=20 user friendly at times - than Linux. System crashes have NEVER = happened=20 on my FreeBSD box! It may help to know that most webservers = (including=20 Microsoft ironically) use a FreeBSD box and Apache to run their = servers - I=20 think that speaks volumes...
 
I still think it comes down to a = personal=20 preference though. My idea is to try box (preferably on a test box = or old=20 harddrive in your current computer) and take your pick - however, = saying=20 that, I'm sure most "newbies" in this forum (myself included) would = say=20 "FREEBSD!!!"
 
In answer to your second question - = yes, you=20 can have a mouse when in command line mode in FreeBSD. The option is = given=20 during installation (I've got version 4.4 and have a PS2 mouse=20 connected.)
 
Once configured correctly - you may = need=20 to turn on the "emulate 3 buttons" option - you can = highlight any=20 text on screen with the mouse pointer & left button, and then = press the=20 middle button to paste it at the command line. This proves VERY = helpful when=20 you have packages names like: = "package_name.1.4.2_4.tar.gz"
 
I hope this has = helped!
 
Philip.
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Hugo Casqueiro =
To: 'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.or= g'=20
Sent: Wednesday, November = 21, 2001=20 7:03 PM
Subject: Tips with = mouse

Hello=20 all,
 
I came from=20 Microsoft systems and I never saw an unix system before, until = yesterday=20 !
 
I read=20 something about FreeBSD like "it is better than=20 Linux".
What your=20 opinion about to start with this system ?
 
I'm a mouse=20 dependent.Could you give me some tips about using = a mouse=20 device without x, just console ?
 
Thank=20 = you
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1745C.F7A54020-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 23 19:10:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAE137B416 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id fAO3A1I22143 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200111240310.fAO3A1I22143@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 24 3:42: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A9B37B416; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA16929; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:31:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:31:54 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Sidney@FreeBSD.ORG, Brooks@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Several questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Sidney Brooks wrote: > I have played with linux fo several years, but just tried Free BSD. > > > 4. Since I have a big disk, I tried to load everything, but eventually the installation process froze. I then installed average user with X. Have others had this problem? What you want with a big disk is developer with X, which gives you sources for everything in the base system. You also want ports and linux binary support. What you don't want is Packages > All. There are about 1800 third-party software packages on the installation CD-ROM (or available from FTP) and you wouldn't want all of them, e.g., multiple versions of Netscape, software applications in several foreign languages, etc. I'm not sure how much space this would take and what conflicts might result that you'd have to resolve during the process. Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: mall.daemonnews.org and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 24 4: 1: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5849D37B405 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 04:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA16997; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:56:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:56:22 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Hiten Pandya Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Romildo_Malaquias?= , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Questions regarding FreeBSD installation In-Reply-To: <20011122140529.39067.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Hiten Pandya wrote: > > Note: Section 2.5.2 (Disk Organization) of the > > handbook are not very > > well written, since the use of the terms "partition" > > and "slice" is > > pretty confusing in the text. This is due to the > > overloaded use > > of "partition" . Partition is used in two ways (it has two different meanings) so you're right--it's overloaded. Partition means, first, a DOS-type partition (one of the four the pc architecture permits on a physical hard drive, of which one can be an extended partition). FreeBSD also calls this partition a slice, e.g., ad0s1, ad0s2. FreeBSD can then divide this slice (during the installation process, in accordance with your instructions) into what are also called partitions; the partitions of the slice hold file systems like /, /var, and /usr, typically. Thus ad0s1a, ad0s1b, etc. (my understanding was that you could have eight of them) are the partitions of the slice. a is typically (by default) the root partition (/), b in swap (no mount point), e is /var, and f is /usr. ad0s1c is the entire slice. It's possible to use two (or more) DOS-style partitions, even putting them on different drives. Some people like to put /usr/local and /home on another partition; when you delete a partition to reinstall, it's the DOS-style partition that is the unit that gets deleted. So you could reinstall /, swap, /usr, and /var, but leave /usr/local (perhaps including /usr/local/home) alone, so it will be there after you reinstall. I think the latest version of the handbook (with 4.4) has tried to clarify the use of the term "partition" and its use to mean different things in different contexts. I'd say "HTH" but it probably doesn't....summing up: A DOS partition is a FreeBSD slice. A FreeBSD slice can be divided up into partitions that hold file systems or swap. The meaning of partition is different in these two situations. Annelise > > What it means in the simplest of terms is, a partition > is the actual space you disect out of your hard-drive > for FreeBSD or any other Operating System. > > A slice, is a way you can organise the inner layout of > the partition you have dedicated to FreeBSD, for > example: > > /dev/ad0s1 - FreeBSD. > ===================================== > /dev/ad0s1e - /usr > /dev/ad0s1f - /var > > and so on... > > you can have up to 16 of these slices inside a FreeBSD > partition. > > Still unclear... mail me... > > ===== > regards, > Hiten Pandya > > > ---------------------------------------------------- -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: mall.daemonnews.org and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 24 13:46:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3710E37B419 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:45:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29382 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2001 16:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (63.48.182.186) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 24 Nov 2001 16:19:29 -0000 X-Sender: kevand@stargate.net From: Kevin Andersen To: "Mortgage Borrower" Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:30:45 -0800 Subject: Need a Home Loan? 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