From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 11:09:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DA116A41C; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:09:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6EC443D1F; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:09:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-in-07-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-07-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.19]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1294224D; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:09:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-in-08.arcor-online.net (mail-in-08.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.48]) by mail-in-07-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D234412A8B5; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:09:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (dsl-213-023-192-094.arcor-ip.net [213.23.192.94]) by mail-in-08.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DB4514E4; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:09:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.8.4] (lofi@kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j5QB9Qor099895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:09:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) From: Michael Nottebrock To: Adam Weinberger Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:09:25 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.1 References: <200506172259.j5HMxTad068378@repoman.freebsd.org> <200506251924.24269.lofi@freebsd.org> <42BDF3D9.6000803@magnesium.net> In-Reply-To: <42BDF3D9.6000803@magnesium.net> X-Face: =Ym$`&q\+S2X$4`X%x%6"L4>Y,$]<":'L%c9"#7#`2tb&E&wsN31on!N\)3BD[g<=?utf-8?q?=2EjnfV=5B=0A=093=23?=>XchLK,o; >bD>c:]^; :>0>vyZ.X[,63GW`&M>}nYnr]-Fp``,[[@lJ!QL|sfW!s)=?utf-8?q?A2!*=0A=09vNkB/=7CL-?=>&QdSbQg X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: cvs-ports@freebsd.org, Alexander Leidinger , cvs-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports CHANGES UPDATING ports/Mk bsd.port.mk ports/accessibility/linux-atk Makefile pkg-plist ports/archivers/stuffit Makefile ports/astro/linux-setiathome Makefile ports/audio/baudline Makefile ports/audio/linux-arts ... X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:09:31 -0000 --nextPart1605033.LjmEKDOcTj Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 26. June 2005 02:16, Adam Weinberger wrote: > lofi - > > You're kindof beating a dead horse here.=20 Obviously not. Or to put it another way, just read Alexander's mails to see= =20 how this horse had been dead for so long that people are mistaking its deca= y=20 scent for a BBQ and even will make a case for it to stay and rot further! > For the meantime, stuff should go into X11BASE, where everything X-based > except for KDE and OOo is, and should become part of the list of stuff > to be moved to LOCALBASE. Huh? What kind of a strategy is that? Sticking our heads into the sand=20 full-force until they magically emerge on the other side of the planet agai= n? > If you can come up with a deployment plan to leave xorg in X11BASE and=20 > move everything else out, *please* let us know! But arguing about how=20 > things are wrong now won't solve much. How about appointing some of the many, many people who are in agreement wit= h=20 me to portmgr deputies for a start so there's at least some manpower=20 available? I can guarantee you that nobody will just sit down and submit a = PR=20 with a megapatch without some kind of backing by portmgr/RE. Also, the mass-migration is just the critical last step. The very first ste= p,=20 as Alexander has pointed out, is to change the documentation to even more=20 clearly state that putting anything that isn't part of the X11R6 distributi= on=20 is taboo. It's a silly verbal cluebat, but we're apparently in need for one. And there's a lot of stuff that doesn't need a huge deployment plan, but ju= st=20 a good opportunity. Qt for example can easily move out of X11R6 - I'm=20 planning to do the move with Qt 4, where changing the prefix will have the= =20 additional bonus of making it harder for people to try and compile KDE 3.x= =20 with Qt 4. I'm pretty sure there are many other things in X11R6 that can be= =20 rather easily moved before we'd need to deal with the big showstoppers (lik= e=20 GNOME). =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --nextPart1605033.LjmEKDOcTj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQBCvozmXhc68WspdLARAikrAJi/hFgEy/cSFFhqSwHZ17zbuENIAKCGhJSG C40tQmdDhYgY0aHk2e6djg== =pgAv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1605033.LjmEKDOcTj--