From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 22 6: 0:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ddg.com (eunuch.ddg.com [216.30.58.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E4537BB4F for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:00:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (24.28.73.209) by mail.ddg.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:00:11 -0600 From: Richard Wackerbarth To: thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se Subject: Re: Get used to it. Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:23:25 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <01BF9408.FBFEEB20.thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se> In-Reply-To: <01BF9408.FBFEEB20.thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00032208000803.01108@nomad.dataplex.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Thomas Uhrfelt wrote: > And yes I know some > answers in the past been more than a little unfriendly, but I don't blame > them. I can take a GO RTFM answer Yes, but that is only because you are knowledgable of the culture. As computers have gotten bigger and faster, the OS has become much more complicated. The learning curve is huge. Even after decades, I don't pretend to know how many parts of it work. I am quite happy to treat those parts as "black boxes" unless I need to tweek them. > I feel like this: - if I want to use "their" software to run "my" system .. That's the fundamental problem -- an "us" and "them" attitude. Until it becomes an "our" attitude, the schism will continue to limit the "community". > I get better support from the FreeBSD community that I do from $10K > support contracts. Yes, the real value is in the COMMUNITY. > I belive it has already broken out of the developers sandbox. And I don't > think it's a wish from the current general FreeBSD population that we > should attract more first-timers in masses. I could be wrong on this one I > know .. but it's still my impression. We need to work toward developing a "knowledge ladder". By chopping off the bottom rungs, you guarantee that, in the long run, the community will wither. When it finally comes down to the bottom line, a growing community with "acceptable" technology will beat out the "elitist niche" even though they have superior technology. > This is very true indeed, but I don't want those changes in the system .. I > want updates in the handbook and the FAQ. Beef up the suspension on every vehicle rather than straightening and paving the road :-) > I don't feel comfortable with a oneclick > checkbox doing multiple operations. FreeBSD forces me to think each step > though "One click" solutions save a lot of time... if, and it's a big IF, 1) The developer of the button really designs it correctly 2) There is an over-ride so that it is not the only option. > and this in the end will save me a lot of headaches. Only if you are ever able to get started. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message