From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 7 18:33:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECBF333E72 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 18:33:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x135.google.com (mail-il1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49g4lh6p9Pz4SZx for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 18:33:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x135.google.com with SMTP id v11so14704144ilh.1 for ; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 11:33:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PmHQ1ct/ri3Ra1V7R69IcogqwrSfd7nUJdNoq19Y4QE=; b=TtvBcI2nW3jjZEAE67DxNQqM7k8uLG3n+n81Mxf6CLTuWnNQa/+ijzjnTjPDRF/8ni Q6SVALD439CtJGrgBM7fb6myNhG/FxHzscxQyAFS0yL6QbQk/hiVaUpn4KvCxc8ZGufZ UKfV1PWTGmQpS7UaJ/mydYiOWkvS+VC/kvLX4U3yMoWiGI3ftkpTmZT4kSnqq1fHZ2M1 xLke8QPzZfZTWPBduZH8ySOh0GH1X7omw3KlPjdmgHfLCcYgpenJ2AGBBesiU1V3Ju58 csqdiG9UZ8aOmJglbP1NMlx4qzMXS4JNzMEhvi2TsUkbvqfxqTmQq1vkDpKZRL0txO61 MOhg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PmHQ1ct/ri3Ra1V7R69IcogqwrSfd7nUJdNoq19Y4QE=; b=TGGLEdAir6PKR2Ztea5RA9m5c27W+ARw3ArUnsBdw7oA+M5Z5LbLJGySvpu71Ahk36 Ynf/5aqRgFB92SpyePySXILSzdEs04XoYRnxaMrmg9qU/wbP0JOlRG/PnGywBAfuzqqb 4h0SXO8GAbybOUSBXwuw6Zg2YuY9VkomjuMy33qSSYmjKGZ03xIIvO+3MaqXgnx4zskl 7zv6MOJ2CtDEY8zU5PrI5hSL/FZdTs4HTIAkTzHbizN5rAPUfmJTZFD9nCYAyey6JGwR EXx0WHE3Vv1gaMyR+7qbMi9aad3AtGzN7QIa2LFYi3/t0V3uPIz8WOgdP5VHvlkCW0+L EPGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532RaLz0DGNqjCn2LBmkWLfVq/v3i8lJO5xST/a2Im3pwWPoXII6 rGwP9aC7tnNtpBJ8GIggzGeiwtWP7V3ww/0BoEIgO0fo76s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx4N0ZWbbPhx908I+pazG2MGMASzf5nsyT8WrJdMQiMn+/tgyJXy1qXdisKhTufqUlJmIiLcXAJ3E7Vx2juBz0= X-Received: by 2002:a92:5e4a:: with SMTP id s71mr18219787ilb.119.1591554831830; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 11:33:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 14:33:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minimal skills To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49g4lh6p9Pz4SZx X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=TtvBcI2n; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::135 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.93 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.015]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.010]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::135:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.91)[-0.908]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2020 18:33:53 -0000 On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 1:46 PM Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > > On Jun 6, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Aryeh Friedman > wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 5:06 AM Vincent DEFERT <20.100@defert.com> wrote: > > > >> My advice: NEVER, ever, learn Java, for if you do, you'll never want to > >> use another language and that could be a handicap in a new developer's > >> career. > >> > > > > I switched 10 years ago to Java after 15 years of C/C++ (and an odd > > assortment of other languages) and certainly agree with the idea of not > > wanting to use another language. Think of Java as the family SUV, not > > particularly fast and nimble when you need high performance or very low > > level work but what is it good for nothing is better (rock solid code > that > > doesn't require the above). That being said you should learn it but > learn > > it with other languages. > > > > To the OP: > > As someone already said in this thread: Java is proprietary, and Oracle > who bought out Sun Microsystems (the creator of Java) started charging > money end users of applications written in Java. > > Where on Earth did you get the idea that Oracle charges/gets royalties for 3rd application in Java!?!?!??!?!? I have *NEVER* paid a dime for any application and/or anything else written in Java (nor is there any language in the legal material that comes with the language and/or any of the tools that would even allow for a royalty)... the language spec is completely open and anyone can write a compiler or a JVM (all the specs are completely available)..... IBM has made one so have a few other people including GNU. Please direct me and the OP the a *RELIABLE* (and authoritative source) that says what you claim? For counter proof here is a link to the current language and JVM specs https://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jls/se14/html/index.html https://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jvms/se14/html/index.html Oh and the license for OpenJDK can be found at https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html (Yes you read that right GPL 3.0 w/ linking exception [the end user can charge for programs written in Java if they wish but Oracle gets no royalties!]) -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org